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S2 Ep1052: George Packer: JD, Hollow Man

2025/5/28
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Tim Miller: 我认为J.D. Vance的转变并非真诚,而是一种机会主义的策略。他善于模仿他的导师,从艾米·蔡的自力更生到彼得·蒂尔的科技乌托邦,再到特朗普的民粹主义,他不断调整自己的立场以适应新的权力中心。他内心的自卑感和对精英阶层的渴望驱使他不断改变自己,最终成为一个道德空虚、只追求权力的政治人物。 George Packer: 我认为J.D. Vance的转变虽然令人厌恶,但也并非完全出于虚伪。他可能真的相信自己所说的话,长时间模仿他人说话方式会改变自己的声音,面具会变成自己的脸。他早年为了融入精英社会而压抑了自己的愤怒和好斗的一面,而现在他因为这种态度而获得了超出他梦想的回报。他以他的“人民”的名义为每一项政策、每一个谎言、每一个残忍行为辩护,这是一种虚假的借口,因为他早已抛弃了他们。

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Our VP used to think his path to power was through the ruling class at Yale Law School. But after 2016, he saw that his route was through Trump, so he swapped one set of elites for another. And now as a lord among the MAGA ruling class, he's embracing his true cruel, lying self—and railing against the globalists who nitpick about this silly due process thing. Meanwhile, even Elon doesn't like the bankruptcy-threatening reconciliation bill, even if it's larded with kickbacks just for him. Plus, America: stay and fight. And the biggest theft in the history of the presidency is happening every day right before our eyes.

New Mexico congresswoman Melanie Stansbury and The Atlantic's **George Packer **join Tim Miller.

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