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Ken Goldberg (roboticist)

2025/1/8
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Dax Shepard: 人们对人工智能的担忧过大,实际应用与预期差距很大,机器人技术发展缓慢。 人们普遍认为人工智能即将接管一切,但实际情况是,机器人技术发展缓慢,目前还远不能胜任人们日常生活中许多简单的任务,例如修理汽车等。这与人们对人工智能的预期存在巨大差距。 Ken Goldberg: 机器人技术发展缓慢,目前机器人还远不能胜任人们日常生活中许多简单的任务。 机器人技术的发展并非一帆风顺,它经历了多次“AI 寒冬”,期间人们对机器人的期望过高,但实际应用效果不佳,导致资金链断裂,研究停滞。目前,机器人技术仍然面临诸多挑战,例如抓取物体、感知环境等,这些问题都远未得到解决。

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Where was Ken Goldberg born and why?

Ken Goldberg was born in Nigeria because his parents were idealists during the 1960s who wanted to contribute to civil rights. They wrote to various people in Africa and were invited to work at a school in Nigeria for two years, where they lived without running water or electricity.

What inspired Ken Goldberg's interest in robotics?

Ken Goldberg's interest in robotics was inspired by his father's influence, his childhood fascination with machines like go-karts and model rockets, and his exposure to shows like 'Lost in Space.' He also took a course in AI in 1981, which included robotics, natural language, and computer vision, sparking his passion for the field.

What is the origin of the word 'robot'?

The word 'robot' was coined in 1920 by a Czechoslovakian playwright named Karel Čapek in his play 'R.U.R.' (Rossum's Universal Robots). The term 'robot' comes from the Czech word 'robota,' which means 'forced labor' or 'worker.'

What is the significance of the Pygmalion myth in robotics?

The Pygmalion myth, where a sculptor falls in love with his creation, symbolizes the hubris of creating life or intelligence artificially. It serves as a cautionary tale about the dangers of becoming too attached to one's creations, which is a recurring theme in robotics and AI, as seen in stories like 'Frankenstein' and 'Her.'

Why is it difficult for robots to perform tasks like picking up objects?

Robots struggle with tasks like picking up objects due to the complexity of motor control, uncertainty in the environment, and the limitations of sensors and hardware. Human dexterity evolved over millions of years, making seemingly simple tasks like grasping incredibly challenging for robots, which lack the nuanced touch and adaptability of human hands.

What is Ken Goldberg's view on the fear of robots taking over jobs?

Ken Goldberg believes that the fear of robots taking over jobs is largely unfounded because many jobs, especially those involving manual labor, are extremely difficult to automate. He notes that 39% of U.S. jobs are manual labor, and robots are far from being able to replicate the physical and cognitive skills required for such tasks.

What is the Roomba's significance in the history of robotics?

The Roomba is one of the most successful robots of all time, with over 10 million units sold. It represents a significant milestone in robotics because it demonstrates the ability to perform a simple, repetitive task—cleaning floors—reliably. However, it also highlights the limitations of current robotics, as it cannot handle complex environments or tasks like stairs.

What is Ken Goldberg's art exhibit about?

Ken Goldberg's art exhibit, 'Ancient Wisdom for a Future Ecology: Trees, Time, and Technology,' explores the history of knowledge and science through tree rings. The exhibit features salvaged wood sculptures, including a massive eucalyptus stump inscribed with questions about the evolution of human knowledge, from ancient times to modern scientific breakthroughs.

Chapters
Dax Shepard recounts his initial judgmental impression of Ken Goldberg at a conference, followed by a surprising shift in perception after discovering Goldberg's profession and engaging in conversation. Their unexpected friendship highlights the importance of looking beyond first impressions.
  • Dax's initial judgment of Ken based on his lack of a name tag.
  • Dax's quick change of opinion after Googling Ken.
  • The 'elephant panties' incident and its humorous impact on their interaction.

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Ken Goldberg (Why Don’t We Have Better Robots Yet?) is an award-winning artist, roboticist, and engineering professor. Ken joins the Armchair Expert to discuss being born in Nigeria, growing up in rough and tumble City of Brotherly Love, and on how that taught him how to not take things lying down. Ken and Dax address the elephant panties in the room, how a course he took in 1981 began his trajectory in robotics and AI, and the tragic archetype of Pygmalion and the hubris of falling in love with your creation. Ken explains the Czechoslovakian etymology of the word “robot,” why don’t we have better robots yet, and how he stays optimistic doing a job predicated on failure.

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