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Listen Now: Liberty Lost

2025/6/24
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TJ Raphael: 本节目讲述了Abby在16岁未婚先孕后,被父母送往Liberty Godparent Home的故事。这个机构表面上帮助女孩决定是抚养孩子还是送养,但实际上却鼓励女孩将孩子送给所谓的'更合格'的基督教家庭。这是一个关于年轻的爱、胁迫和反抗的真实故事,也反映了后罗伊时代美国产妇之家的危险复兴。一些女孩会反抗,另一些则只能屈服。Abby将悲痛转化为反抗,为阻止更多母亲失去孩子而斗争。 TJ Raphael: Abby和Nathan在孩子出生后被迫参加了一个仪式,将孩子送给另一对夫妇领养。这个仪式表面上是庆祝,实际上是将孩子从亲生父母手中夺走,反映了美国几十年来存在的秘密送养现象。 TJ Raphael: 这种行为是美国社会为了按照上帝的形象重塑国家的一部分,他们认为真正的基督教家庭应该由虔诚的丈夫领导,并且婚外性行为是绝对不允许的。他们试图通过控制母亲来确保国家拥有'正确'类型的母亲。 Abby: 我在16岁时未婚先孕,我的父母将我送到了Liberty Godparent Home。在那里,我感到自己受到了惩罚,不配拥有自己的孩子。我被迫将孩子送给另一对夫妇,这让我感到恶心和恐惧。我爱我的孩子,我不想把他送走,但他们夺走了他。 Abby: 这个仪式就像一个笑话,一个邪恶的玩笑。他们明明知道我有多爱我的孩子,他们仍然夺走了他。我感到内心空虚,我恨他们。 Nathan: 我和Abby都来自福音派家庭,我们的孩子在婚外出生。我们被迫将孩子送给另一对夫妇,这让我感到痛苦和无奈。我爱我的孩子,但我无能为力。

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In evangelical homes across the United States, sex outside marriage is a sin against God. So when Abby becomes pregnant at 16, her devout parents hide her away at the Liberty Godparent Home, a little-known facility for pregnant teens on the campus of Liberty University. The home says it helps girls decide what comes next, whether that's parenting their babies or placing them for adoption.

But inside the facility, the girls hear a different message. God wants their babies to go to more deserving Christian couples. I'm your host, TJ Raphael. From Wondery, Liberty Lost is a startling true story of young love, coercion, and defiance, and the dangerous resurgence of maternity homes in post-Roe America. Some girls will find the strength to fight back. Others will have no choice but to give in.

And some, like Abby, will turn their grief into resistance and take a stand against the system before more mothers lose their children to adoptions they never wanted. I'm about to play a clip from Liberty Lost. Follow Liberty Lost on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Abby and Nathan are waiting for the signal. Any moment now, the ceremony will begin.

You feel this tension, this unknown of what ifs. Both of them are trembling, but they've made sure to look their best. 17-year-old Abby spent the morning carefully curling her long brown hair. I wanted to look good and be a good old Southern girl like I was raised to be.

A 19-year-old Nathan's in a crisp white button-down with freshly cropped hair. The only haircut I've ever paid for in my entire life I got before that. Through the door, they can hear the crowd growing. Parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles. They're all here to see Abby and Nathan walk down the aisle. Finally, it's time. We walked out the doors, and I was just like, the grand reveal.

Family and friends turn to get a better look. Abby and Nathan walk side by side. In his arms, Nathan holds their son, who was born just 11 days ago. And I'm walking down this aisle, and I remember feeling like everyone in the room wants me to be excited for this. Abby and Nathan both come from evangelical families.

Their baby was born outside of God's union. And now, Abby's parents have told them it's time to correct their mistake. At the end of the aisle, a petite, blonde, southern woman in her mid-thirties and her dark-haired husband are waiting for them. Or rather, they're waiting for Abby and Nathan's son. And that's because today's celebration is not a wedding.

I was being punished and being told I wasn't worthy of getting to be the one who had him, be his mother. And this couple, waiting for them at the end of the aisle, they've been chosen to be the baby's parents, whether Abby and Nathan like it or not. And so I'm disgusted in my body every step I take forward. I'm just horrified by what's occurring.

They reach the end of the aisle, and Nathan forces himself to gently place his son in the couple's arms. I remember being like, I want to burn this place down. I just watched them holding him and felt empty inside. Everyone prays. Abby and Nathan and the couple pose for photos, the newborn baby between them.

There's cake, gifts, and speeches. This is so wrong. This is like so dark. It's so evil. Like this ceremony is like a fucking joke. This ceremony, this fucking joke, it's a celebration of something that was part of American life for decades. Back in the 50s and 60s, young women who got pregnant out of wedlock

were forced to leave their homes and then secretly place their babies for adoption. But the truth is, it's still happening all over America.

And it's all part of a grand plan to reshape the country in God's image. Because the true Christian home that produces successful children must be headed by a godly husband. One man for one woman for one lifetime and no sex, period, outside of marriage. And to make sure the nation has the right kind of mothers. They all saw how much I loved him. They didn't have to take him from me.

They knew I didn't want them to.