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Roy Choi: 我讲述了作为亚裔美国人的成长经历,以及我如何看待食物和烹饪,特别是如何让食物变得大众化而非精英化。我的节目《Broken Bread》探讨了食物与文化之间的深刻联系。我还分享了我克服赌博成瘾的个人经历,以及我如何从一个赌徒变成一个成功的厨师。 在韩国的经历让我对食物有了新的认识,韩国的食物文化比美国更加大众化和经济实惠,食物是文化的一部分。在美国,食物的质量和价格之间存在经济壁垒,而韩国则不然。 我克服赌博成瘾的经历始于我观看 Emeril Lagasse 的烹饪节目,这让我对生活有了新的认识。我开始学习烹饪,并最终创办了 Kogi 餐车,这成为了我的事业和人生的转折点。 在餐厅行业,我看到了许多问题,例如消费者对食物的支付不足,以及餐厅经营成本过高。这些问题导致许多餐厅倒闭,也暴露出餐厅经营模式的缺陷。我们需要改革餐厅行业,以确保员工能够获得公平的报酬和福利,同时也要保证食物的可负担性。 我从小就对食物很敏感,因为食物是我们家庭联系的重要组成部分。在亚裔美国文化中,食物扮演着重要的角色,它连接着家庭成员,并成为他们共同经历的载体。 Dax Shepard: Roy Choi 的播客节目精彩之处在于他讲述的亚裔美国人的经历,以及他对食物和烹饪的独特视角,特别是让食物变得大众化而非精英化。他的节目中讲述了他克服赌博成瘾的经历,以及他如何从一个赌徒变成一个成功的厨师。他的节目《Broken Bread》探讨了食物与文化之间的深刻联系,这让我印象深刻。

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What was Roy Choi's experience with gambling addiction?

Roy Choi had a four-year gambling addiction, starting with games like Pan 9 and moving to high-stakes poker. He described the addiction as a constant need to 'get even,' where he would wake up every day promising himself he would quit once he broke even. The addiction led him to burn bridges and lose significant amounts of money, but he eventually overcame it after an out-of-body experience watching Emeril Lagasse on TV, which inspired him to pursue cooking.

How did Roy Choi's family navigate the American system as immigrants?

Roy Choi's family, like many Korean immigrants, relied on community networks to start businesses. They owned a liquor store, a restaurant, and a dry cleaning business, eventually moving into jewelry. The Korean community in LA, particularly in areas like Alhambra, supported each other with loans and resources, as they faced systemic racism and limited opportunities. Choi emphasized that Asian immigrants often had to 'eat a lot of shit' and endure discrimination while building their lives in America.

What role does food play in Korean culture according to Roy Choi?

Food is central to Korean culture, serving as a means of connection and survival. Choi described how his extended family would gather every weekend for potlucks, cooking elaborate meals like stews, broths, and dumplings. For immigrants, food became a way to preserve their identity and cope with the hardships of adapting to a new country. Choi also highlighted how Korean street food is both affordable and nutritious, contrasting it with the fast-food culture in America.

What impact did the pandemic have on the restaurant industry?

The pandemic devastated the restaurant industry, with 30-40% of small businesses closing permanently. Roy Choi explained that the flawed restaurant model, which relies on constant activity to stay afloat, was exposed when everything came to a halt. Many restaurants couldn't survive without steady income, leading to a surge in street food and pop-up concepts like the Avenue 26 Night Market in LA.

What reforms does Roy Choi want to see in the food industry?

Roy Choi advocates for systemic changes in the food industry, including fair wages, healthcare, and better working conditions for restaurant workers. He criticized the tipping system, which disproportionately benefits servers while leaving cooks and other staff underpaid. Choi also called for higher food prices to reflect the true cost of quality ingredients and labor, emphasizing that consumers need to value food more to sustain the industry.

Why does Roy Choi believe there isn't enough Asian representation in American media?

Roy Choi argues that Asian Americans are often stereotyped or ignored in Hollywood, with few stories showcasing their diversity. He pointed out that Asian characters are rarely portrayed as complex individuals with flaws, addictions, or sexual struggles. This lack of representation perpetuates outdated and narrow views of Asian identity, trapping it in a 'trauma' of outdated stereotypes.

What inspired Roy Choi to become a chef?

Roy Choi's inspiration to become a chef came during a low point in his life, while he was struggling with gambling addiction. He had an out-of-body experience watching Emeril Lagasse on the Food Network, which motivated him to enroll in culinary school. This marked a turning point in his life, leading him to pursue cooking and eventually create the iconic Kogi food truck.

What is the significance of the Kogi food truck?

The Kogi food truck revolutionized food culture in LA by introducing Korean-Mexican fusion cuisine. It became a cultural phenomenon, drawing thousands of people to its locations and creating a sense of community. Choi described the truck as a 'graffiti artist' of food, leaving a mark without needing to be seen. The truck's success also highlighted the potential for street food to challenge traditional restaurant models.

What challenges do small restaurants face in the current economic system?

Small restaurants operate on razor-thin margins, with 30% of costs going to food, 20-30% to labor, and another 20-25% to fixed costs like rent and utilities. This leaves only about 5% profit, making it difficult to sustain operations. Additionally, many small restaurants lack access to loans or investors, forcing them to rely on personal savings and live paycheck to paycheck.

What is the philosophy behind Roy Choi's show 'Broken Bread'?

'Broken Bread' explores the intersection of food, culture, and social issues, using food as a lens to address topics like food sovereignty, racial inequality, and economic disparities. The show aims to highlight the stories of marginalized communities and advocate for systemic change in the food industry. Choi uses the platform to promote healing and connection through food.

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On today's episode, we revisit Roy Choi's episode from March 10th, 2022. Roy Choi (Broken Bread, The Chef Show, Kogi) is a chef, author, and television personality. Roy joins the Armchair Expert to discuss how he went from having a gambling addiction to being an award-winning chef, what Asian immigrants had to do to navigate the American system, and how important food is to Korean culture. Roy and Dax talk about what happened to restaurants during the pandemic, how most people in America are a product of fast food advertising, and what reforms he would like to see in the food industry. Roy explains what his experience was like teaching English in Korea, that he has never been a collector of material things, and that he believes there isn’t enough Asian representation in American media.

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