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Scott Payne (retired undercover FBI Agent)

2025/5/28
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Scott Payne: 在高中时期，我与副校长之间存在一些矛盾，他似乎总是对我特别关注。一次才艺表演后，我因为不当行为面临被开除的风险，但副校长最终给了我一个机会，让我帮助他调查一起针对他的种族歧视事件。通过这件事，我开始意识到自己与人交往的能力，并尝试通过与不同群体的人交流来获取信息。虽然我当时并没有意识到，但这可能是我卧底生涯的开端，也是我第一次体会到通过人际关系来揭露真相的意义。

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This chapter explores Scott Payne's path to becoming an undercover FBI agent, starting with his early experiences in high school and his career as a narcotics officer. It highlights his unexpected application to the FBI and his first assignment in New York City.
  • First taste of undercover work in high school
  • Career as a narcotics officer
  • Application to the FBI
  • First assignment in New York City

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Scott Payne (Code Name Pale Horse, White Hot Hate) is a retired FBI Special Agent and author. Scott joins the Armchair Expert to discuss his first taste of undercover work in high school in South Carolina, how he caught the bug training as a fresh-face narcotics officer, and his long shot cold application to the FBI. Scott and Dax talk about his first undercover assignment in the Outlaws biker gang, the ins and outs of performing believable criminal activity, and navigating guilt around putting targets away whose trust he’d earned. Scott explains that the ultimate goal of undercover is accountability by building relationships you’re going to betray, infiltrating an insidious and violent accelerationist white supremacist cell, and a terribly fraught encounter with a goat.

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