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Tyler Perry: 我在节目中分享了自己童年时期遭受性侵犯的经历,以及由此带来的长期性困惑和创伤。为了克服这些创伤,我首先需要承认并接纳自己的责任,原谅童年时期未能保护自己的自己。我还通过了解“唤醒模板”的概念来理解并摆脱童年性侵的困扰。我过去取得的成功源于逃避创伤,而非真正地处理它。如今,我通过密集的治疗,获得了自我认知和解脱,并希望通过分享自己的故事,帮助更多人。童年性侵经历影响了我建立健康亲密关系的能力,但我也学会了原谅,并从给予中获得快乐。我意识到过度照顾他人可能会阻碍他们的成长,并开始设定界限。我通过阅读旧日记,回顾过去并反思自己的成长历程。我学会了为未来而建构,而不是仅仅从当下出发。我搬到亚特兰大是为了寻找一个能够看到黑人成功人士的城市,在那里我第一次看到了成功的黑人中产阶级。我的戏剧创作在经历多年失败后,最终获得成功,这与我原谅养父的经历有关。原谅养父后,我失去了前进的动力,需要重新寻找新的目标。我意识到自己的照料行为是一种问题,掩盖了我内心的创伤。我通过各种策略来保护自己免受伤害。我拥有自己的工作室,这让我感到自豪,也让我意识到责任和负担。我从给予中获得快乐,并希望能够帮助更多的人。我通过电影和电视作品来讲述黑人的故事,并希望能够为黑人在影视行业争取更公平的待遇。 Dax Shepard: 我和泰勒·佩里童年时都渴望变得非常高大。泰勒·佩里童年时期在学校里因为个子高而显得格格不入。他成长在一个需要不断给予和帮助他人的家庭环境中,但他却在原生家庭中感到格格不入,与家人关系疏远。我与泰勒·佩里讨论了他童年时期的性侵经历,以及由此带来的长期的性困惑和创伤。我们探讨了童年时期将性侵的痛苦归咎于自身的问题,以及成年人视角下的判断不适用于童年时期的自己的观点。我们还讨论了怨恨如同饮鸩止渴,以及过度照顾他人可能会阻碍他们的成长的问题。我们探讨了泰勒·佩里在获得巨大成功后,仍然感到恐惧和不安的原因,以及他如何通过原谅和自我和解来处理这些情绪。我们还讨论了对泰勒·佩里作品的批评带有精英主义色彩的问题,以及他如何看待成功与批评之间的关系。我们还讨论了泰勒·佩里在影视行业取得成功的历程,以及他如何克服各种挑战。

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Why does Tyler Perry avoid excessive comfort?

He associates comfort with a fear of complacency, believing it hinders productivity and personal growth. This stems from his challenging upbringing and a desire to avoid repeating past negative experiences.

Why did young Tyler Perry wish he were smaller?

He was bullied by a smaller cousin and his aunt discouraged him from retaliating due to his larger size. The strong men in his life weren't positive role models, leading him to desire the opposite.

How did Tyler Perry's mother influence his values?

Growing up in a neighborhood where they had more than others, his mother instilled in him the importance of generosity and helping those in need, often opening their home to strangers.

Why did Tyler Perry move to Atlanta?

A trip to Atlanta for Freaknik exposed him to a thriving Black middle class, a stark contrast to his experiences in New Orleans and Detroit. This inspired him to relocate in pursuit of a better life.

What sparked Tyler Perry's career in entertainment?

A friend recognized the potential of his journal entries as a play. The audience's emotional response to his first play, despite its initial commercial failure, ignited his passion for storytelling.

What led to the breakthrough success of Tyler Perry's play?

Initially, the play about forgiveness resonated with audiences but lacked authenticity because Perry hadn't forgiven his own father. After forgiving his father in 1998, the play's success dramatically increased.

Why did Tyler Perry transition from stage plays to television?

The demand for his plays outgrew the capacity of theaters, leading him to seek a wider reach. Television offered a larger platform and the ability to address the underrepresentation of Black stories in mainstream media.

How does Tyler Perry respond to criticism of his work?

He believes his work caters to a specific audience and dismisses criticism from those outside of it. He views critical reviews as subjective opinions, citing an instance where two critics gave vastly different reviews of the same play.

What challenges did Tyler Perry face despite his success?

He struggled with feelings of inadequacy and fear that his success wouldn't last. He also faced systemic biases in the film industry, receiving smaller budgets compared to other filmmakers with comparable success, hindering his ability to create on an even playing field.

Why did Tyler Perry insist on producing 100 episodes of "House of Pain" upfront?

He understood that reaching 100 episodes was crucial for syndication, guaranteeing long-term financial stability and wider distribution of the show, despite industry norms of ordering fewer episodes initially.

What was the inspiration behind "The Six Triple Eight"?

Nicole Avant suggested he tell the story of the 6888th Postal Directory Battalion, a group of Black women in WWII. Meeting Lena King, a surviving member, and hearing her story about a fallen Jewish friend provided the emotional core of the film.

What significant discovery was made during the production of "The Six Triple Eight"?

The transportation guy, a WWII enthusiast, found Charity Adams' trunk, complete with her uniform, a tulip tree, and a letter, at an auction. This serendipitous event deeply moved Perry and Washington, reinforcing the women's presence and the story's significance.

What does Tyler Perry consider his greatest achievement?

While grateful for his career success, he takes the most pride in owning his studio, a former Confederate Army base. He sees it as a symbol of progress and the potential for anyone to achieve their dreams in America, regardless of their background.

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Tyler Perry shares his childhood experiences, including trauma and abuse, and how it shaped his personality and career path. He discusses his fear of comfort, his desire to be small, and the impact of his upbringing on his relationships.
  • Early trauma and abuse significantly impacted Perry's life and career.
  • He developed a fear of comfort and a desire for invisibility as a coping mechanism.
  • His success in the entertainment industry was partly a result of avoiding dealing with his trauma.
  • At 55, he felt the freest and clearest version of himself after therapy.

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Tyler Perry (The Six Triple Eight, I Can Do Bad All By Myself, Diary of A Mad Black Woman) is an actor, playwright, producer, and filmmaker. Tyler joins the Armchair Expert to discuss how he realized that his journal could be a play, his fear of comfort, and growing up to leave the door open for somebody else. Tyler and Dax talk about seeing a black middle class for the first time after relocating to Atlanta, the things children walk through, and moving storytelling into TV because it was a bigger arena. Tyler explains being a loner by nature, the unbelievable true story he wanted to tell with The Six Triple Eight, and learning to build toward where he’s going rather than from where he is.

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