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Jason Kelce, Chris Berman, Super Bowl 59, NBA Trade Deadline + Fyre Fest From New Orleans

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Big Cat: 今天是 Max 周的最后一天,我们终于迎来了超级碗 59。我很好奇 Max 的感受。 Max: 我感觉很好,对老鹰队有信心,但仍然害怕马霍姆斯。我今晚会稍微喝一点,明天会全力以赴,希望一直到周二的游行。在你问我之前,我根本没想过游行的事。击败指挥官的比赛计划仍然适用。老鹰队需要在第四节开始时领先两分。赢得中间两个季度至关重要。总是开球。如果酋长队先得达阵和任意球,我就不会感觉良好。这是一场必须不输的比赛。我几乎想重蹈覆辙,吃 Taco Bell,但我意识到这很愚蠢,因为我们输了那场超级碗。我要看看我对开球的感觉如何。我会不守规矩,但要负责任地不守规矩。我可以走到那里,也可以走回来。我要穿上靴子。如果老鹰队获胜,我就做鞋子。周六不吃海鲜,因为我不想冒食物中毒的风险。如果老鹰队获胜,MVP 应该是 Jalen Hurts。 PFT: Max 根本没有进入状态,他没有比赛的关键。我今天穿了新衣服,感觉很好。Hank 立即嫉妒 PFT 的新衣服。Hank 看起来像 1989 年的毒贩。我看起来应该出现在《疤面煞星》里。我今天花了 3000 美元买了这身衣服,感觉很好。我会为改进留出空间。我看到 Max 最进入状态的时候是我们在周一喝醉的时候。我根据感觉做了一些赢家和输家。我们的 NBA 预览将在两周后推出。湖人队是赢家,因为他们得到了马克·威廉姆斯,而且勒布朗没有离开。那些 Dalton Connect 和不受保护的首轮选秀权本应该用来交易 Luka。如果勇士队得到所有人,大家都会讨厌篮球。骑士队得到 DeAndre Hunter 意义重大。热火队因为交易了吉米·巴特勒而获胜,勇士队因为得到了吉米·巴特勒而获胜,双赢。我不完全理解勇士队的计划是什么。Draymond 是更大的输家之一,因为 Kevin Durant 因为不想和他一起打球而关闭了去勇士队的交易。迈阿密获胜是因为他们摆脱了吉米·巴特勒,他是个婊子。快船队是赢家,因为我喜欢 Bogdanovich。马刺队应该是赢家,DeAndre Fox。国王队得到 Zach Levine 可能会成为赢家。奇才队只是在移动棋子,他们参与的是积极的摆烂。NBA 的关键是要变得非常糟糕。你喜欢 Quentin Grimes,76 人队的赢家?凯尔特人队也是赢家,Caleb Martin 和 Chris Middleton 出局了。你害怕 Kyle Kuzma 吗?我真的很讨厌 NBA 交易截止日是超级碗周。太阳队因为 Bradley Beal 拒绝去任何地方而成为输家。小牛队因为 Luka 的交易而成为输家。我不明白当他们现在退出季后赛时得到 Brandon Ingram 有什么意义。猛龙队应该摆烂。公牛队是个大输家,因为除了交易 Zach Levine 之外,他们什么都没做。NBA 在我们不谈论比赛的时候是最好的。我对买断市场更感兴趣。我希望 Chris Middleton 去尼克斯队。很多人今天被交易的人都会被买断。大局交易截止日是为湖人队操纵的。勇士队至少会更有趣。这仍然是足球赛季。我在想周一早上没有足球我的大脑会是什么感觉。你们看到 Rob Ryan 的新闻发布会了吗?Ron Rivera 要回学校了。回学校又酷起来了。Josh 不会赢得 MVP,对吧?Lamar 应该得到它,但我希望 Josh 赢得 MVP。如果我下注 Lamar 赢得 MVP,我会得到 15000 美元。他们会让我下注没有 doinks 吗?这是一项 10% 的隔夜投资。你在友好的比赛中表现得非常好。我赤脚踢球,然后 doinked 了。你把 doinks 都踢出去了!我要下注没有 doink。我要下注和你完全相同的金额。每次有人得分,你都会希望他们先得两分。每次球穿过或错过并且没有击中立柱,那都是一种很棒的感觉。你只听到 doinks,因为每次发生时,NFL 都会将麦克风越来越靠近立柱,以使其听起来更大。让我们来做我们最喜欢的道具和对这场大赛的任何其他分析。我最喜欢的道具是 tails。Dallas Goddard 的码数超过 52.5 码。Saquon 的最长冲刺距离超过 24.5 码。Jalen Hurts 的冲刺码数超过 38.5 码。Patrick Mahomes 的冲刺码数超过 29.5 码。Saquon Barkley 在每个季度都有一定的码数。Flea Flicker 加 250。Travis Kelsey 会得分。Flea Flicker 将成为我的选择。超过两个半球员尝试传球。任何进攻线锋得分加 1600?最长弃踢回攻超过 11.5 码。开球回攻达阵,赔率 22 比 1。比赛中三次出局的总数超过 3.5 次。Saquon Barkley 在每个季度都有 10 码以上的冲刺码数。Xavier Worthy 的码数超过。Flea flicker。Mahomes 的冲刺码数,超过 29.5 码。Devontae Smith,超过 50 码。Jalen Carter,一次擒杀。最终比分预测是老鹰队 26-21。这将是一场势均力敌的比赛。酋长队把它偷偷地变成了势均力敌的比赛。酋长队可能会大胜。老鹰队有太多的天赋。人们越来越尊重老鹰队,我不喜欢这样。你的选择就是你下注的球队。我想要老鹰队的标志出现在图表上。我尊重伟大,如果我没有这个未来,我可能会说,去他的,又是 Mahomes。老鹰队是一支更好的球队,他们会赢。战壕是健康的。我最喜欢的道具是 tails。Dallas Goddard 的码数超过 52.5 码。Saquon 的最长冲刺距离超过 24.5 码。Jalen Hurts 的冲刺码数超过 38.5 码。Patrick Mahomes 的冲刺码数超过 29.5 码。Saquon Barkley 在每个季度都有一定的码数。Flea Flicker 加 250。Travis Kelsey 会得分。Flea Flicker 将成为我的选择。超过两个半球员尝试传球。任何进攻线锋得分加 1600?最长弃踢回攻超过 11.5 码。开球回攻达阵,赔率 22 比 1。比赛中三次出局的总数超过 3.5 次。Saquon Barkley 在每个季度都有 10 码以上的冲刺码数。Xavier Worthy 的码数超过。Flea flicker。Mahomes 的冲刺码数,超过 29.5 码。Devontae Smith,超过 50 码。Jalen Carter,一次擒杀。最终比分预测是老鹰队 26-21。这将是一场势均力敌的比赛。酋长队把它偷偷地变成了势均力敌的比赛。酋长队可能会大胜。老鹰队有太多的天赋。人们越来越尊重老鹰队,我不喜欢这样。你的选择就是你下注的球队。我想要老鹰队的标志出现在图表上。我尊重伟大,如果我没有这个未来,我可能会说,去他的,又是 Mahomes。老鹰队是一支更好的球队,他们会赢。战壕是健康的。 Hank: Luka 穿湖人队球衣的样子很糟糕。ESPN 上那个看起来像 Kramer 的人是谁?我赤脚踢球,然后 doinked 了。我要下注没有 doink。 Memes: 我对买断市场更感兴趣。我希望 Chris Middleton 去尼克斯队。很多人今天被交易的人都会被买断。大局交易截止日是为湖人队操纵的。勇士队至少会更有趣。 Ian: 老鹰队应该赢,但我会下注 Mahomes。

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The podcast starts with a Super Bowl preview, focusing on Max's mindset, the Eagles' game plan, and concerns about the Chiefs' strengths. The discussion touches on the importance of a strong start and the need for the Eagles to maintain a two-score lead. National sports podcast news about Virginia McCaskey's passing is also included.
  • Super Bowl LVII preview
  • Max's confidence and pregame preparations
  • Analysis of Eagles' game plan and potential challenges
  • Discussion of the Chiefs' strengths
  • News of Virginia McCaskey's passing

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Hey, Pardon My Take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Ki-Hui Kwan has had the craziest career in Hollywood. He played two of the most iconic movie roles of all time as a kid.

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On today's part of my take, we have two incredible interviews to end Super Bowl week. Jason Kelsey in the part of my take temporary studio was awesome. We also had special guests, Roan, Max, and Kate, who stole the show with Jason. And then we have the Schwamm, Chris Berman, Super Bowl tradition. Have to have him on every Super Bowl week. This is four years running.

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Big guy. I feel good. I don't feel too much different from Monday until now. I still feel confident. I'm still scared of Patrick Mahomes. I still think we're going to win the football game. Yeah? Yeah. When are you going to ramp up the partying? What a noise. It's a tough question. It sounds like a bird. No, I still have to edit tonight. Mm-hmm.

So I'll probably dip my toes in tonight, and then tomorrow it's full go. It's full go. I love full go. From Friday morning to Sunday night. Friday afternoon. Hopefully until Monday morning. Hopefully until Tuesday, until hopefully the parade. What if Lane Johnson gets you in a parade? I mean, that's not going to happen. Why not? Max did. Big Dom could get you in a parade. Maybe Big Dom. I mean, this isn't crazy. I'm just thinking of...

I'm just comparing it to... Dwayne Johnson doesn't like me like Missoula likes Tank. But Big Dom loves you. Big Dom does love me. Big Dom is my Paisan. Do you think it's a little... Like you're jinxing a little thinking about the parade? You asked me a question. I answered the question. But you were thinking about the parade. Not until you asked me the question. You just started thinking about the parade. It literally hadn't crossed my mind until you said that. What's your loss level?

Locked? I need to get more locked. Yeah, you are locked. My brain has been slipping this week. Have you broken down film? Do you have keys to the game? When? Yeah. No, he's not locked in at all. He's not locked in at all. He doesn't have keys to the game. This is brutal. You want to know how locked in I am? How? What were my keys to the game against the Commanders? I think it was winning. What happened?

You won. You won. What are my keys to the game? Same game plan. Yeah. Don't you think the Chiefs know that game plan now?

Like your blueprints out. You can't stop. I want you to tell me how you stop winning. Because if the Chiefs have been watching the film, they know what your keys to the game are from last week. And they can counter that. That's a great point. They can win harder. By the way, PFT, you look great. I should have said that to start. I feel great. You look incredible. I went out, picked up some new threads. I feel pretty good about it. I got some new shoes. Apparently you don't wear socks with shoes anymore.

So I'm not wearing socks. Okay. And then socks are out. Plaid pants. Then I got every country in the world. I have a world map, which our sound guy very astutely pointed out. Like, this is just the country equivalent of my NFL shirt. Yes. That I was wearing. Yes. He was right on the money. And the Kangol hat. And the Kangol hat. The Kangol hat is awesome. It does tie it all together. I got in here and Hank instantly got jealous. Oh. Mood turned sour immediately. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I just said, look, what time is your tea time? That's very funny. You also made fun of Hank. You were like, you're dressed like a five-year-old. He is dressed like a five-year-old. He's wearing off-white shoes and a Kith shirt. So it's like, Kith is cool.

It was you trying to flex on him, but he's dressed significantly cooler than you. Not significantly cooler than you. I would say Hank is dressed cooler. PFT is a hundred times swaggier. Hank looks like a drug dealer in 1989. That's what he looks like. I look like a...

No, I don't think so, BFT. This is insane. Okay, I just realized what I said. Fair point. He looks like a drug dealer in 2025. You look like Scarface. Yeah, you look like you should be in Scarface. Fuck yeah. That's not a bad thing, but like 1989, whatever. You're stealing all the swag. How about this? We both look good. Listen, for the very first time I went out and I spent money on clothes today for the low cost of $3,000. Put this outfit together and I feel good about it. I think you're serious. I am serious.

No way. Those shoes might be expensive. Max asked me what kind of shoes these are. I said brown. Brown. I don't know. Anyone want to mention? Like 300. Anyone want to mention my... No, I don't think you're serious. Black t-shirt? No. It's a nice black t-shirt. Thank you. It's slimming. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Very slimming. I picked this out today when I was looking at the seven black t-shirts I bought.

But let's not let Max off the hook because I don't think you're not dialed. No, he's not. No, I'm not. He's loose right now, and it's loose in a bad way. Are you worried about Jalen Carter being sick? Who's sick for five days? He'll be fine. Magic Johnson? Yeah. Fair. Also, the entire Eagles locker room.

They might be sick, too. There's worries that it's spreading through the locker room. It's probably food poisoning. Okay. It's probably the busking boys. But that's still not good. You still don't feel like if you have food poisoning on Thursday, you're not going to feel 100% on Sunday. Will literally ran a 4-9.

12 hours removed from food poisoning. Okay. That also might have been just hungover. Nah, that was food poisoning. All right, so you're not dialed, not locked in. I'm not going to say not dialed, but I'm...

I'm going to leave room for improvement on the dial. Okay. One thing I learned this week is the most dialed I saw Max was when we were drunk on Monday. So once you get a couple drinks, you'll be back. It's work. This has been work week. It has been work week. It's really Max weekend is when it's really going to turn into it. So Max Monday. If you don't have keys to the game, at least show me the path. What has to happen? I've said the path. What do the Eagles have to do? The Eagles, they don't need to start hot because sometimes they don't start hot. They need to be...

They don't. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes they're a second-half team. They need to be up two scores going into the fourth quarter.

That's my key to the game. Would you say that being up two scores going into the fourth quarter, it would be easier to do that if you started hot? Correct. But the Chiefs can score first and we can still get to up two scores. That's what I'm saying. You've got to win the middle two quarters. You don't have to score first. No, don't have to score first. Second and third quarter, that's your time. Yes, the middle four is huge. Do you kick off or do you receive? Kick off, always. Our defense is so good. Do you have to score second?

No, we can score first. No, no, but do you have to score? Could the Chiefs score first and second? Depends on the scores. If it's field goal, field goal. What about if it's touchdown field goal? Touchdown field goal, I would not be feeling good. Here's the reality of the situation. A touchdown field goal, you can come back from. 10-0, you can do that.

But if you start out getting safetied and it's 2-0, that's game over. That's a fact. Yeah, safety would be tough. 2-0 is absolutely just stop the game. Max, is this a must win or can't lose? This is a mustn't lose. Okay, good answer. Must not lose. We must not lose. Mustn't lose. Have you thought about your pregame meal? Yes. Of course. What do you mean? Well, I thought stupidly and someone rightfully corrected me.

I almost just tried to run it back. I was like, I should get Taco Bell before. And I was like, that's very stupid because we lost that Super Bowl. So I have thought about it. Haven't answered it. No decision. It sounds like you've thought more about the parade than the pregame meal. You asked me a question. Right. I answered the question. Have

Have you thought about how many drinks you're going to have in your system at kickoff? Great question. No. Oh, you got to know that. You have to know that. Are we going, like, what's the range that you're looking for? That's a fluid situation. I got to see how I feel about that. He's not tired. Because you have to have a plan. Because that means he's just going to be blacked out. Yes. If you have no plan, you're planning on having 20. No. Truly's only. Okay. Okay. You're going to get unruly.

Yeah, I'm going to be unruly. Okay. Responsibly unruly. Yeah, you're responsibly unruly. Have you and Roan talked about what time you're going to start drinking on Sunday going into the game? No, we have not spoken about that. These are the most important parts. I do think we're going to be with Lil Sass as well, but he's sitting by himself. Okay. So that's another thing. But these are details you've got to figure out. It's just like you're playing the game. You have to script the first 15 drinks. Right.

And you also have to, like, what time are you going to wake up on Sunday? Are you going to sleep in? Are you going to get to the game an hour early? What's the plan? Not locked in. No. This is bad. The news is you can walk there. Yeah. True. I can walk there. I can walk back. You're going to put on the boot? I'm going to put on the boot. I like that. That's good. We've got some preparation there. Yeah, putting on the boot. But we don't know pregame meal. We don't know. I think if you score first, shooey.

No, I can't do doing a shoeie before if they win. I promised if they win a shoeie, I would do a champagne shoeie if they win. You have to think about your night before meal to like what's your what's your dinner? What are you going to load up on? Seafood oysters. Oysters. No, I think I think come Saturday. No more seafood with.

Because I don't want to risk the chance of food poisoning going into the game. So you've got one detail set. He's not going to eat gumbo on Saturday or any oysters. I mean, there's the gumbo ya-ya I could do. Sausage gumbo. Sausage and chicken. But no seafood because we just can't be having food poisoning going into the big game. If the Eagles win, who's the MVP? Who should the MVP should have been? Um...

If the Eagles win, you know what? I think it's going to be Jalen Hurts. I agree with you. I think it has to be Jalen Hurts. I think it's going to come down. I think the Chiefs, we're actually going to break down the game. Well, actually, let's do some national sports podcast stuff, and then we'll break down the game a little bit with some props. Yeah, I'll check out for a second. All right, check out. Well, we have some Sixers. National sports podcast news. Virginia McCaskey has passed away at the young age of 102. Gone too soon. R.I.P. R.I.P.

And that's kind of all I got right now. Moment of silence? Moment of silence. I felt good. Her dying? No, the moment of silence. Oh, okay. Yes. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Bears' ownership. She did get to see her last game that she watched was the Packers beating the Packers. That's pretty cool. I think— 102 is crazy. It is crazy. I don't—for the record, I do not want to be 102. Yeah. I never want to get there. No, I don't either. I feel like— Unless I own an NFL team. Then I do.

What if they suck? I still would probably want to be 102. You'd want to be 102 and then go through this season again? Owning an NFL team would be sick, though. It would. Like, you don't want to die if you're owning an NFL team. I don't want to be 102, regardless. Either way, obviously, her father basically started the NFL. She's been the Bears owner for a long time, so she's sad. Well, it's not sad. It's 102. Unbelievable life. Incredible life lived. 102.

102. I mean, we're in New Orleans. They celebrate death. Yeah. They do a line, a funeral line. I don't know what's going to end up happening with the Bears' ownership, but it's not a time to think about that. It does kind of rock. Tomorrow's the time to think about that. It does kind of rock that she said, like, yeah, I'll spend all my money on this new coach, and then she doesn't have to actually do that. Yeah. That's the way to go. Yeah. When I'm, like, 95...

I'm going to make a major financial commitment and then load up on a huge batch of heroin. Yes. That's my plan. Yeah. So RIP Virginia McCaskey, 102. Not a drug guy. Not a drug guy. 102 is nuts. It is crazy. Like I still. So she was born in 1923? Yeah. Holy fuck. Saw World War II. All of it?

The Great Depression. Great Depression. Dust Bowl. Pearl Harbor. Wait, is she older than the Hoover Dam? That's crazy. Probably. Yeah, she is. She's older than highways. That's nuts. That's insane.

She was older than highways. I did appreciate in the write-up. What? That's crazy. That's not computing into my... How is she older than highways? Well, because there weren't a lot of cars. Yeah, like the invented highways. Yeah, that's true. So how did people get from one city to another? They were roads, but in terms of the full U.S. highway system, that didn't happen until right after the Great Depression. Yeah. Isn't that a highway? Route 66? It sure is. The Hoover Dam. So that was after?

After? I think so. 1936 was the Hoover Dam. Yep. Highways. So she remembers the Hoover Dam being built. Yeah. On 1956, President Dwight Eisenhower signed legislation funding the construction of the U.S. interstate highway system. Think about that, Max. It's older than highways. That's fucking insane. Yep. Yep.

All right, should we talk some trade deadline? I did some winners and losers based on basically just vibes. Okay. So I got real no intel. By the way, our NBA preview will be coming in two weeks. So Ryan Russell will be on for that. We're going to do a full NBA preview. It's about time for NBA to start. All right, you want my winners and losers real quick? And again, this is based off vibes. So people are going to be like, you don't know what you're talking about.

You might know a little bit more memes, so you can correct me if I'm wrong on any of my winners and losers, all right? Winner, Lakers. Yep. Luka. Also, Mark Williams. Even though he gets injured a bunch, they did need a big. That feels like a pretty good trade for them. They traded Dalton Connect and a pick to the Charlotte Hornets. That was basically a free roll. Yeah. Because they should have been in the Luka trade. Correct. That was like, oh, yeah, we got...

Yeah, those Dalton Connect and that unprotected first should have been for Luka. And like, yeah, we'll just take a shot on Mark Williams, who is injured a lot, but also if he's good. And if he is not injured, he's exactly what they needed. I mean, Dalton Connect was good, though. I liked watching him play. He was the only one ball. And he could just, yeah, you're right. He needed the ball. He was a scorer. Not a lot of defense. They're also winners because LeBron didn't leave. Yeah.

He said, I'm here right now. Yeah. Which means right at this very second, he's there, which I don't know if he's planning on leaving, but there were rumors that like, he might be interested in going to the Warriors, which I think would have made everybody hate basketball. Yeah. Right. If they got everyone, you would have liked that.

Yeah. It would have been cool if they got KD, LeBron and Steph. No, they wouldn't have gotten KD and LeBron. I don't think. Well, they were all names that were like floating around. I'm glad that didn't happen. Yeah. All right. Other winners. Oh, by the way, because we're consistent on this podcast, Hank, did you see Luka in a Lakers jersey? Negative or?

Yeah. I did not. Like, just the look of it was bad aura. You haven't seen him sweat in it, though. That's true, but I just, something about it just didn't work. 77 doesn't hit the same. It just didn't work. Yeah, exactly. It just didn't work. I don't think anybody looks good dry in an NBA jersey.

They don't. You need them to wet? Yeah, you need them to wet. I got them to oil up a little bit. Oil up a little bit. Then let's see if you got the aura. All right. Other winner, I thought the Cavs getting DeAndre Hunter was big. Huge. Cavs are going for it. They needed that. And the Hawks are tanking now, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So that was big. I thought that was a big win. Miami for trading Jimmy Butler and getting rid of him. And the Warriors for getting Jimmy Butler. Win-win.

Yeah, you got playoff Jimmy maybe. Yeah. That's going to be, I think, if they get to the playoffs. I don't fully understand what the Warriors' plan is. I think it's just Steph's going to have to shoot all the threes because they don't – they have less – like Jimmy Butler and Draymond –

You think they're going to get along? Don't really shoot threes. I think Draymond's one of the bigger losers. You think so? Because the Warriors had a deal where Kevin Durant was going to be going to the Warriors that he basically shut down just because he doesn't want to play with Draymond again. Yeah. So...

Yeah, that would make him a loser for sure. But I mean, I think the Warriors should be better just because it's playoff Jimmy with playoff Steph. Yeah, but he's old as fuck. That's what I'm saying. He is old. I mean, Steph is 36. Jimmy Butler is 35. But that's why Miami. Steph is so good, though. Jimmy Butler is a hit. No, but there's a difference between regular season J-Bot and playoff J-Bot. You know that there is. They might win a series. They're barely in the playoffs right now. And Miami wins because they got rid of Jimmy Butler, who is being a bitch.

Would you guys agree with that? Oh, yeah. I think he was being Jimmy Butler. Yeah. Like, this is what you expect when you have Jimmy Butler. Yeah, that is what you expect. My other winner is the Clippers just because I like Bogdanovich. It's fun to say. And he's just, like, I don't know. I feel like he can...

Get hot. You don't like the Spurs? I think the Spurs should be winners. Spurs are winners? DeAndre Fox, yeah. Oh, yeah. DeAndre Fox. DeAndre Fox, yeah. They're a winner. I'm a big watcher of his. You could be. The Kings. I mean, the Kings getting Zach Levine for not a lot could be winners as well. Like the beam. Yeah. My losers are. What about the Wizards and the Kings? I feel like just for making a lot of moves. Oh, yeah. The Wizards getting Marcus Smart.

That was a win. They just made moves. I don't know that they were winning moves, but I just like that they were so active. Every tweet was like the Wizards were just moving pieces around. I feel bad for Marcus Smart. I feel terrible. I want him to come home. Here's the thing about what the Wizards are doing. They're moving names around. They're doing stuff with the salary cap that I don't understand, but I know that what they're engaged in is just active tanking. Yeah, they're going to trade Chris Middleton. And for the longest time—

They did not have a plan, and their plan was – it was like even worse than the Bulls' plan because we would finish outside of the playoffs but not be bad enough to get a one-pick or a two-pick until last season. Then we finally got competent front office when we got the dude from Oklahoma City, and now we've had a plan in place where it's like you have to get really fucking bad. Yeah. And I'm completely on board with getting as bad as possible. That's the key in the NBA. You like Quentin Grimes, Sixers winner? Yeah.

Sure. Who cares? You got J-Boys too. Celtics also winners. Why? Caleb Martin, Chris Middleton, Celtic Killers, out of the picture. Well, they're in the East still, right? Yeah. Where's Caleb Martin? He went to the Mavs. Middleton's. Well, I mean, he's in the East. They're not going to play him in the playoffs. Just right down the street. What about... That's a win. Are you not afraid of Kyle Kuzma? No. You're not? No. You just don't like people with fashion.

That's true. That's a fact. Yeah. You're afraid of it. It's very funny because all the talking heads on ESPN were like, I like this trade for the Bucs. Kyle Kuzma, I know he sucked, but that's just because he was in Washington. Yeah. But now that he's gone, he's going to be good again. And I thought about it. I got mad for a second, and I was like, I'm kind of right. Yeah. That's a very accurate statement. Yeah. What do you got, Hank? This is bad podcasting, so we can maybe cut this. What do you got?

Who is the guy that looks like Kramer on ESPN? That's Bob. Is it Bob Myers? He's the guy from the Warriors. Yeah, that's Bob Myers. What about him?

I was watching. Oh, yeah, you're right. That was bad. No, this is good podcasting. I thought there was a follow-up. You literally just took a picture of your TV because you're like, is that Kramer? I was like, who is Kramer? Kramer looking motherfucker. This is great podcasting. This is some good NBA breakdown. I know that you can listen to a bunch of other podcasts. We're breaking down high-level shit. That looks like Kramer's dad. Yeah. No, he's a good front office guy. Yeah. He helped pick Dan Quinn.

I really hate that the NBA trade deadline is Super Bowl week. Like, come on. Yeah. This is still Super Bowl week. This is their revenge for Christmas. Yeah. All right, my losers, real quick. Phoenix, because Bradley Beal just refuses to go anywhere, right? That feels like a bad situation. If you were Bradley Beal, what would you do? I know I said last week, you have the no trade clause. You got that written in for a reason. But just fuck it. Just, like, don't use your no trade clause. Well, it's also, like...

You basically blocked the Suns from getting better at all, and then you come back in that locker room, and everyone's like, oh, hey, dude. Glad you're still here. Thanks so much. Yeah, it's going to suck. Yeah. It's going to suck. Like, you're not – yeah, you'll still have that contract. You'll still have the same house. You'll still have the same drive into work every day, but it's going to get a lot worse. Obviously, the Mavs are losers for the Luka trade. Right.

I just, I don't really understand getting Brandon Ingram when they're out of the playoffs right now. And maybe they're trying to get to the playing game. I don't really know. Yeah. I was like Brandon Ingram. Yeah, I do. I do too. But like, I feel like the Raptors should be tanking, right?

Maybe it's a tariff thing. Maybe it's a tariff thing. And then the Bulls are a big loser because they didn't do anything that they should have done besides trade Zach Levine. But that was a big thing. But they didn't trade Vooch. They didn't trade Kobe White, who seven teams were interested in.

And it's like they're just the dumbest organization and AK is dumbest. They extended Lonzo Ball. I like Lonzo Ball, but what do you do? It's just none of the moves stack up together. It is funny that the NBA is at its best when we're not talking about games. Yeah. We're just talking about guys moving to different cities. Playoffs. I love the playoffs. And being next to other guys. It's like, oh, imagine if Luka was in LA. Imagine if KD was in New York. Imagine if LeBron was in Riyadh. The –

I guess the Warriors wanted Vooch and they just, the Bulls couldn't do it because they're fucking stupid. And then, yeah, seven teams. It's basically the same thing that happened last year with Alex Caruso. They're like, yeah, let's just do that mistake again. Yeah. So they're fucking idiots. Memes, did we miss any big trades? Anything that tickled you? No. This one?

The Brandon Ingram one. Toronto made a lot of moves. The Pelicans made a lot of moves. I'm more interested in the buyout market right now. Oh, interesting. Tell me about the buyout market. I want Chris Middleton on the Knicks. I think he's a perfect wing backup. What about Brandon Ingram? I think he's going to stay in Toronto. Can you explain to me, like I'm five, how that market works? So the Wizards trade assets. So pretty much everything I trade is in the buyout market. And then we just pay him to not play for us. Yeah, and then someone else can get it. Then that's good for us.

Yeah, because you already got the other assets and you traded away who you needed to trade away. Yeah. Okay. I don't understand salary caps. No, it makes no sense. And a lot of people who got traded today are just going to get bought out. Yeah. So Mark is smart? Yeah, Mark is smart potentially. Oh, Hank. Pretty much the big picture trade deadline is it's rigged for the Lakers and –

A lot of dumb organizations continue to do dumb things, and the Warriors are going to have at least be more interesting. Yeah. One last ride for Steph. Yeah. One last ride for Steph. But yeah, we are going to have Rosillo on to break down or to preview the NBA. But it's still football season.

It's still football season. It is. We got one game left. Enjoy it. I was thinking about how my brain is going to feel on Monday morning with no football. No, I don't want to think about it. I don't want to think about it. Did you guys see, by the way, Rob Ryan's press conference? No. It was incredible. It was incredible. I don't know if this is bad podcasting, but I can just play it because it was just so good. He is, I think, the linebackers coach at USC? He is, yeah. Here, I'll play it. We can cut it if it doesn't make sense, but it was...

All right, here he is. Watch where we finish this year. Watch where we finish this year. This guy is special. He's special. He knows how to get it done. He's a great communicator, great teacher. He's fun to be around. He makes everybody better, including the coaches. And, you know, we'll see. You know, I'm looking forward for the, what do you call it, spring ball or whatever. I can't wait. I'm going to go against the best. Oh, good.

I see that little juco kid from Hutch. Bam, we're going to get after him. But anyway, it'll be great. We're excited. You know, and I saw the Maiava guy. I coached his uncle. I hated that kid when I first sat him. A USC kid, a little captain. Remember, he could walk under this table right here. He's doing a fucking bit. He's dominating every inch of that stage. I would fall over this kid during the OTAs. Man, this guy, man, you got to run to cover a guy. Anyway, so then I'm like, hey, guys.

I'm going on vacation with the family, going out to Hawaii, going to Maui. Maui, I run things in Oahu, but I go to Maui. You getting any kind of trouble now? You just tell them you know Kaluks. I like fish. Yeah, I'm going to tell them I know Kaluks. This is a press conference. He's all the stage. He's all the stage. He's pacing around like Chris Rock. We're going to have a romantic evening. Go out there, no rent a car.

What do you mean? You never called for the rent-a-car? I told you she's Greek. I'm like, yeah, they must have lost it. So, of course, I forgot to call. Now they're out of cars. I'm in Maui. I got no car. So what do I do? I know Kaluks. I got a car. Oh, you know Kaluks? Swear to God, hand it down. Anyway, I ended up loving the kid. He was, oh, man, as he means a rattlesnake. The reason why that kid was captain with all those first-round draft choices. I love that guy. Ended up

Luke's going to be deceiving. That's so good. There were like nine times in that one story where I was like, please, please stop talking because you're about to say something that's going to get you in trouble. Big trouble. I mean, that was just, I love him so much. He was just pacing the whole stage. We're talking rent-a-cars in Maui. I know Kaluks. Yeah, so if you're in Maui, just say, hey, I know Kaluks. Tougher than a rattlesnake.

Oh, man. Yeah, so that would be fun, having Rob Ryan in the USC. I'm excited. We got Ron Rivera going back to school, too. Oh. He's going to Cal, right? Oh. He's going to be consulting to the GM at Cal. I love it. So he told the text that he sent to Adam Schefter was, it was, going back to school is cool again. Bill Belichick taught me that, so I'm going back to school. Very cool, Ron. Very cool. Do we think...

Josh isn't going to win the MVP, right? It's going to be Lamar? I don't know. It's like 50-50 right now. I'm not going to be mad. Like, Lamar deserves it as much as Josh, but it would be cool if Josh won. I would like to see Josh win just because seeing the story with Josh and being around him enough over all these years, it would be very cool to see that after everyone doubted him. So in my heart, I would like that, but my wallet wants Lamar very badly. Yeah. Okay. And if I get Lamar...

15 grand. No doinks. No doinks. If they let me put that in, do you think they'll let me bet that? Yeah, why not? Yeah, I think they will. They should. No, I'm just shaking my head like you shouldn't do that. Why?

Well, what happened? Because it's such a dumb bet. It's electric for the gambling. It's an investment, Hank. It's a 10% overnight investment. It only didn't hit last time because of a fluke. But what happened? Okay. I think there were seven. No, there were eight kicks. It was like the first kick of the game. No, that's not true. PFT, I got your back. There were like eight kicks in the last game. Seven of them did not hit the uprights. That's like 85%. No, no, no, no, no. Hank.

We'll get to it later, but we had a really fun, friendly competition the other night where we all competed and did different activities, throwing, kicking. You were really good. How are you? How was I? Did you make all your kicks? I did not make all my kicks. What happened on the one you missed? I was barefoot, and I kicked it, and I doinked it. You got the doinks out of the way! Does that mean it's less likely that these are going to doink? I'm with you, Tee.

PFT, I will. How many kicks? Eight? How many kicks did you hit? Fuck it. You know what I'm going to say. Seven out of ten. Oh, you're going to bet the no doink still? I'm going to bet the no doink. All right. Now I'm going to get your foxhole. I'm totally right because the last time this was the Super Bowl, you got my foxhole. I'm going to get your foxhole. I appreciate that. Whatever you bet, I'm going to bet the exact same amount. I want to bet against it, but I can't. Just prepare. You should. You should bet against it. Yeah. You're going to anyways. I have a Lamar future as well, and I might put all that on doink. Yeah.

Yeah, you know you're going to. Oh, we got a doink off. All right, so, Big Cat, let me prepare you for what you're going to experience with a no-doinks bet. Oh, don't do this. Every single time. Don't do this. Josh is going to win anyway. It doesn't matter. Every single time someone scores a touchdown.

you're going to hope to God they go for two for some reason first of all. Then when they line up to kick, your butthole is going to shrink up to about the size of an electron. Okay, you know what I'm going to do? Yeah, he doesn't want it. He doesn't want it. He doesn't want the smoke. No, I haven't gotten to the good part yet. Okay, but would you rather me bet the exact same amount as you or just be all in with you?

Just be all in. I'm going to root for you. I'm going to root for this fucking loser. Do not put 15. It's not for the fan of heart. I've already got that put away for tails anyway. Bet a little bit on it. But yeah, and then after the ball goes through or misses and doesn't hit the upright, it's a great feeling because statistically...

It's a good investment. Yeah. But you just have to be prepared to go through hell. I'm going to be rooting like hell with you. Doinks are very rare. They're more rare than you think. You only hear about doinks because every time it happens, the NFL has put microphones closer and closer to uprights to make them sound bigger. And then everybody in the world tweets doink at the same time. That's why you think it happens all the time. Come on. Put your money where your mouth is. If Lamar wins, I will. Do it. I will. Do it anyway.

It's great odds. Yeah. Plus 500, right? Do it anyway. Good luck. All right. Let's do our favorite props and any other breakdown of the big game.

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Okay, boys. Let's break down this game a little bit. I, uh...

I, like Hank, have a future on the Eagles. I'm not going to cash out. I think the Eagles are the better team. I'm so, so afraid of Patrick Mahomes and the history that they're going for. I do think, though, the Eagles' defense is the best unit that he's going to face in probably, yeah, I mean, in the playoffs. And then...

Oh man, those big boys on the Eagles offensive line. They got to just do work, Max. They got to do works. I really do think this, I know it's very reductive to say, but like Jalen Hurts has to play great. Yes. Because the, because the chiefs, if he makes any mistakes, the chiefs will capitalize and they will win the game. And we'll all be sitting here being like, how'd this happen again? Jalen Hurts has to play the game of his life.

Disagree with that. I think he needs to make plays when plays need to be made, but he doesn't need to go for 300 yards. What about making plays when plays don't need to be made? Because sometimes that's the best play. I think that he's going to need to hit a big third and long to keep a drive going. He's going to need to make clutch plays, but I don't think he needs...

to have this huge stat sheet game because the recipe to winning is to go up and then use Saquon to ice the game. Is a punt a bad thing for you guys? Yes. You need to score. All right. Give me your top four things you're scared about on the Chiefs side. Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes. Oh, that's it. Andy Reid. Not Andy Reid. Chris Jones. Chris Jones. Doesn't care about Chris Jones. Trent McDuffie. But like Patrick...

Mahomes is so much scarier than everyone. I don't know. I would be scared. Chris Jones is scary. I'd be scared of Andy Reid. I'd be scared of Spags. I'd be scared of Chris Jones. McDuffie. McDuffie, but he's just one guy. I understand, but... We have so many other guys. I'd be scared of Harrison Bucker. Chris Jones is really good. Our interior offensive line is very good. Harrison Bucker is a very, very good kicker. Harrison Bucker. You forgot about him. I'm not...

You just, I don't, I'm not, he's a good kicker. He can hit a long kick. He's a very good kicker. But if you go into a game and you're scared of the kicker, like that's not. No, I'm saying like in an end of game situation. Yeah. Yeah.

But that's more of Patrick Mahomes getting to that situation. If Mahomes can get a 57-yard field goal, he can probably make that. But I'm more scared of Patrick Mahomes getting them into that situation. Okay, so he's like, he makes Patrick Mahomes more powerful. Correct. Yeah, yeah. Sure, yeah. Did you guys hear what longtime Eagles fan, diehard Eagles fan, co-worker, all-business Pete said? No. He said, I can't believe the sound got fucked up again. Okay. Okay.

No, he actually said that he feels in his balls Eagles by 20. But he doesn't have balls. That's true. He got them cut off. I kind of do too. You do? Just hearing the actual football guys that we've been around, they just keep talking about talent, talent, talent, talent.

This is a very good Eagles team. And yeah, so yeah. EFT likes the Chiefs, though. I also think the Chiefs are the worst. Respect greatness. Good team of all time. This team stinks. I want to respect greatness. I don't think this team stinks. They got bailed out by the refs 25 times. I know I need you to take the Chiefs is what I'm... I need you to like the Chiefs. No, I'm saying I want to respect greatness. Yeah. And what I saw, especially last week in the championship game...

A team win by 30 points in the championship game, that's a great team. Great. And you have to respect greatness. I feel better about the Chiefs than I have all week. I mean, Eagles, sorry. All the logos for part of my take, birds. No. I'm birds. Memes, you birds? Birds, baby. No memes. I've been yelling across the board. Pug. Shane is Chiefs. Shane's not Chiefs. He hates the Chiefs. Yeah, he's the type of homie. He's a Chargers fan. Ian, Chiefs are homophobic.

The Eagles should win, but... Okay, so he says the Eagles should win. Yeah.

Okay. Well, that sounds like birds all across. I think the birds are going to win, but I'm going to bet on Mahomes. But for the record, I'm picking the birds. Wait. No, no, no. You're betting on Mahomes. I'm betting on the Chiefs. Oh, okay. So then your pick is the Chiefs. No, but no. Your pick is the Chiefs. I'm betting on the Chiefs, but I'm picking the Eagles. No, no, no, no, no, no. What's so hard to understand about that? No, no, no, no. It almost passes because of how cool that Kangol hat is, but no. You can't.

Well, you don't get to tell me what to do. The fucking graphic that we're going to make is going to say bird, bird, bird, bird, bird. No, it's going to be our picks. Who we're picking to win the game. Who we have money on. This is the picks and preview segment of the show. Your pick is what you put money on. Caesar. My pick has none of your business.

I want the bird on the graphic. Okay, I'm taking the Chiefs. Listen, you have to respect greatness. I respect greatness. Listen, we've had this conversation. If I didn't have this future, I probably would just be like, fuck it, it's Mahomes again. Because last year was the easiest Super Bowl I've watched. I don't care, Mahomes is going to win.

Birds. It's birds. It's got to be birds. Birds are a better team. They're going to win. And Max is going to finally have his moment in the sun. The trenches are healthy. The trenches. And on Sunday night. The trenches. All right. Favorite props. So, yeah, say the props that you like, but then you've got to pick one that we're going to put all together. Okay. Tails is obviously my first pick of the game. And then the other one I feel very strongly about.

This won't be in the parlay unless someone else picks it. Over 52.5 yards for Dallas Goddard. Okay. So those are the two that I really like. I also did bet Saquon over longest rush 24.5. I think it might be 25.5. I bet it literally right after the championship game, which I actually don't even like it that much anymore. But guess what? It's already been bet. So we're going to ride it. What do you guys like? I like Jalen Hurts over 38.5 yards rushing. Okay.

I like Patrick Mahomes over 29 and a half yards rushing. Okay. And then I saw one earlier. I'm trying to track it down again. It was Saquon Barkley to have a certain amount of yards per quarter in every quarter. Oh. I forget what that number was, but I remember seeing it and looking at it and thinking to myself, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I like Flea Flicker plus 250. Okay. I also like Travis Kelsey to score a touchdown. I think he's going to score a touchdown. Hank? I like...

Flea Flicker, that would be my pick for the parlay if you would allow it. Okay. My pick was going to be over two and a half players to have a pass attempt. Do you not want me to put that in there? Do you want me to put Dallas Goddard in there instead? I don't mind. Whatever you want to do. Whatever you feel best about. That's my favorite bet every Super Bowl. Over two and a half players to attempt a pass. But we can do Flea Flicker instead.

Cause those are kind of similar. Well, it's just like there's better odds though. Yeah. Like there's not crazy odds. Yeah. It's, it's similar in the fact that it's like kind of two trick play ish.

Well, another trick play. We're looking for two trick plays. This wouldn't be for the parlay, but one I like because I feel like Andy Reid dials this up in the Super Bowl. We've talked about it a lot, about how he's got these plays in the vault, only seen in the Super Bowl. Any offensive lineman to score a touchdown plus 1,600? I like that a lot because when we talked to Lane Johnson, I don't know if you picked up on this, but we said, like, what if you caught a pass? He's like, yeah.

Me? No, not me. Like they might be looking at somebody else that could get a touchdown. Yep. I like over 11 and a half longest punt return.

Oh, that's fun. Whoa. And I like that, uh, in the draft King sports book somewhere. Cause I did bet. I did bet, uh, over or sorry, a kick to return, turn for a touchdown on a kickoff. That's 22 to one. I would say sprinkle it at most on that. I just, that was more of a stay woke. They're going to try to get one. And this is, this is, this goes to the talent. This goes to the birds. Uh,

But the Chiefs can help out too. Over three and a half total number of three and outs in the game. Okay. I hate that bet. What's the odds? That sucks. Minus 105. That's so many three and outs. Four three and outs? More than three. Okay. I found that bet at Saquon Barkley to have 10 plus rushing yards in each quarter. Minus 150. Okay.

Okay. All right. So, yeah, let's put this parlay together. So I'll go to Dallas Goddard over 52 and a half yards. Okay. So that'll be my pick in this. Do you want to put it together in your phone real quick? Also, this is not for the parlay, but I also like Xavier Worthy's yards over because I think he's just been getting a shitload of targets. All right, Hank, what's your pick? Flea flicker. Flea flicker. And then PFT? I'll do Mahomes rushing yards, 29 and a half over. Okay. All right.

I like that. I like that. All right. You putting it together here, Maxie? I'm trying. It's hard to find him so quickly. All right. I'll do it. Why don't you just worry about what your pick is going to be? My pick has been Devontae Smith, 50-plus yards. Okay. Okay.

So Patrick Mahomes over 29 and a half, you said? Yep. PFT? Yep. All right. And Devontae Smith is over how many yards? I did 50 plus, but I'll take like whatever. 52 and a half. Okay. All right. So right now it's plus 500. And you might, Hank, we might not be able to use yours in a parlay. Jalen Carter, one sack. Okay. Love it. Okay. Is it over a half a sack? Yeah. One plus. Okay.

Sacks, Jalen Carter. Okay, okay. One plus. 12 to one. Okay. So here it is. For the people. Go bet it in the...

Now, this is too much. Oh, no, we have one Chiefs. It's Dallas got over 52 and a half yards. Jalen Carter, one sack. Devante Smith over 52 and a half receiving yards. Patrick Mahomes over 29 and a half rushing yards. I love it. I feel really good about it. All right, Max, before we get to our interviews, which are incredible, we have Jason Kelsey and Chris Berman. Awesome, awesome interviews. Final score prediction of the week.

26-21 Eagles. Whoa, you went down. What happened? It's going to be a closer game. No, it's going to be a dogfight. You went 32-

34. 34, now down to 26? Oh, no. Why is that? Eagles offense has gotten worse as the week's gone. No, you just have to respect the Chiefs. Okay. You have to respect the Chiefs. 26-21, so that's a one-score game. Does Patrick Mahomes have the ball? No, he backdoors it into the one-score game. Oh, okay. So it's 26-14? And then they go for the onside kick. It's a real one-score game.

It's a really good onside kick, and you think that they're going to get it, but the Eagles get it. Holy shit. That would be amazing. I feel like we've had a lot of good Super Bowls recently. I hope we get another one. I don't know if we will. I think it might be a blowout. Which side? I just think it might be a blowout. Which side? I think the Chiefs. Or the Eagles. I think the Chiefs might stomp them. No. Too much talent. Yes.

I mean, he's a guy who just got stomped. Put him on a list. Huh? Put him on a list. No, yeah, he's on the list. No, I'm not. You haven't given us a list update. I don't think you have the list anymore. No, people have been giving the Eagles more respect this week, which I don't like as much. I'm doing you a favor. Yeah.

Yeah, you are. You are. You are. You are. Good friend. Okay. We will be streaming the Super Bowl from the Gambling Cave. Max will be at the Super Bowl. Don't worry. Max will be on no matter what, win or lose. We have all the setups, so we'll have good audio, good video. There will also be plenty of clips from the game. Plenty of clips from the game that we'll tweet out. And your setup on Sunday night will be an actual camera with good audio equipment, right? Yeah. All right. So it won't be like a Zoom thing?

It will be Zoom, but it will be good. Riverside. Riverside, professional Mike...

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. It is Super Bowl champion, six-time All-Pro. You're not leading off the podcast? I think it's seven. Seven-time All-Pro? I know it's seven Pro Bowls. Six-time All-Pro. Six-time All-Pro. This is why I should just let you talk. Seven Pro Bowls, future Hall of Famer. Yeah.

Oh, I like that. Yeah, it's Jason Kelsey. So you just have accepted like, hey, I can't wait for my five years and they're going to knock on my door. Well, I don't know about the Hall of Fame. You're a Hall of Famer. I don't, yeah, I don't know. We'll find out. I think it feels weird to think of yourself in that way. Yeah.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. You know what? Why don't we do this? As first reported by Pardon My Take, Jason Kelsey is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Congratulations. Thanks, guys. So when that day happens, you have to thank us first. Okay. Because we were the first to have it. You know what?

I mean, it seems only fair when they do your bust. Are you going to want the big hair? I don't. Do you get to choose the actual? I think you do. That would feel right. Sit down and then somebody comes in and like paints your face or does whatever. I don't know how they do it with a sculpting, but yeah, I think you get to choose the era of look that you have.

So you could be like, yeah, give me the long hair would be good. I'm going to take my Max hair. Yeah, the long hair. The long hair. Yes. This is Max's very new. In this hypothetical world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so Super Bowl week. Is this one a little weird for you because, well, obviously because your brother's on the Chiefs and the Eagles are your family, but is it weird that you're like, man, I kind of wish I was getting out there with the boys?

Uh, yeah. I mean, you always wish you could get out there with the boys. I don't know that over go away, but it's certainly during a super bowl, it gets magnified. Um, and obviously just one year away, I'm still really close with all these guys. Right. Um,

So, yeah, I would love to go out there and play, but... How many snaps could you give him right now? How many snaps could I do? You're looking good. It looks like you've lost some weight. Chris Jones might, like, DDT me into, like, the ether. Yeah? But you could give him a snap? Then I'd be out immediately. Yeah. But, no, it's... I don't know how many I could go. I think...

Going before the season, it's hard to envision doing anything. Yeah. And then once you get to this point, adrenaline can get me through something. Yeah. I think every former player thinks that to a degree. Yeah. But then I'd be curious to see what actually would happen if I went out on the field. It's interesting because I was reading an article last night from your former teammates, and I

And I feel like, tell me if I'm wrong, but you played for so long. But for like the last three or four years, it felt like every year you were like, this might be it. For sure. So you were kind of contemplating retirement for essentially the back third of your career. Yeah. I mean, I made a whole documentary that lasted three years thinking about retirement. I think it's playing football is really hard. Playing offensive line is really hard. And the physical toll it takes on you. I think you...

it's something that you really have to like disconnect from the season and be like, okay, do I want to do this for another year? At least once you get older. That's the way I did it. Lane's fully on board playing another year. I already saw the press conference fired up about that. We were with him yesterday. He promised that he was playing another year. And he should. He's still playing at a really high level. He's still dominating. And then I think

At some point you realize that your body is like barely hanging on and you're like, okay, how much longer do I want to do this? Yeah. And I did that for about three years longer than, yeah. Is it testament to you? Because you, it feels like when you look at your career, you got better as the years went on and some of your best football was in your thirties. What was that? Was that just,

figuring out the game? Was it figuring out your body? What made it so that you got that much better as you kept on going? I think a lot of it, the center position, you can get by more with tricks of the trade and kind of just understanding things and accelerating that a little bit. I think some positions like tackle,

you got to be like man mountain Dean out there to go block miles Garrett. I was not blocking miles Garrett often. Right. So I think when you're in the middle of it, you can use like calls and different things that, you know, push the line or you in a better situation and you understand technique more. So that helps you play at a higher level, even though physically you're nowhere near the player. And that's where it's like for the last three years, I could feel myself physically deteriorating, but like physically,

on the play, like I'm still playing at a high level. Right. So it's just weird things. Like, I don't know when this physical deterioration is going to catch up, but it feels like it's like catching up now. Right. And that's kind of what leads to those years of, you know, what am I going to do next year? Yeah. So from the center position, what kind of level of detail do you, do you have to put in going up against spags?

especially in a big game like this because I always loved going up against spags. I mean, another guy who's actually in college now, Wig Martindale used to be able to give blitzes from any direction and,

So Spaggs is going to put a safety down weak. He's going to rotate it all the way to make it look like there's no chance the nickel's coming. There's no chance the corner's coming. And then all of a sudden it's going to rotate the other way and they're going to come. Or you're going to think you got them and you do have them and then they know you got them and they're going to flip the blitz and then they're bringing it the other way. So it's like this cat and mouse game that's going on with Spaggs.

It'll be zone pressures, overloads to a side. It'll be single dog pressures that are like run stoppers. It'll be zero blitzes, especially in got-to-have-it scenarios. I mean, that blitz that he pulled out against the Bills. Everybody's talking about it. I mean, I still have nightmares from that when he was with the Giants. And they did it with the corner because it was a condensed split. But he used to do the same thing with Landon Collins, put him down on the line. They'd have these stand-up guys over here to the right,

And you'd have to guess like it's like, OK, either the safety and it's coming from the weak side here or he's going to overload you over here. And if the center is going the wrong way, you're going to be hot. Yeah. And that's where like, you know, the quarterback has to be firmly ready to throw the ball if you are wrong. Right. And that's hard when you're in a situation like a third and long situation.

Because typically the hot answer is not going to pick up a first down. He knows that. So I love that cat and mouse game going against Spag. You're trying to get any little tell. It's like, all right, the safety's like inside the end. He bails. If the safety, if the nickel's pressed, he's coming. And then over years they realize they have tells. And it's just a fun part of it for sure. When you have a situation like that and you guessed wrong, do you know instantly you're like, oh, fuck. You know right away. You're like, fuck, I didn't.

You know right away. Sometimes, even if you guess wrong, you'll pop out. You're like, fuck, I'm just going to try and bail and get something on this guy here because he is screwed right now. So typically you know right away. Yeah. So once these guys drop and this line starts slanting this way, you know they're bringing it to the field. What's the 10 seconds like as you get up to the ball and you're scanning the field and you have to figure out protection, all that stuff? How do you process that? Where do your eyes go first? Where do you go?

What do you think about? So the first thing you're trying to pick up, and this is before you've broken the huddle, is what's the down and distance? And based on that and kind of your pre-work, you're already in a mode of like these are the pressures they kind of like, right? First and 10, second and 10 run situations are going to be in this world. Third and long, then you're getting ready for the exotics.

And then with a guy like Spaggs, certain parts of the field, he'll just whip a blood zero out. And it might not even be a tell. Like he's going to give you one or two a game where you're not ready for it at all. And you're just going to have, he's going to see how you're going to respond. Right. But you're breaking the huddle. Think about the down the distance, engaging the personnel that they have on the field. They have three down linemen, four down linemen. Are they in nickel? Are they in dime? And sometimes that stuff will give you little breaks into like the pressures that they're like out of those situations. Yeah.

And then once you get up there, you're IDing where people are. Is it a shell with two safeties back? Is it a single high with the safety down on the line of scrimmage? Is the nickel to the field way off the ball? Hopefully you get a double count, but then they kind of know you're double counting. And you can get a tell. Somebody will start trying to go back early or something like that, and then you can get a tell like that. But that's kind of the process. And then my whole job is to try and set the protection down

the center going in the direction of where the most guys could potentially come. Yeah. Because the running back can scan. So the only way a six-man pro, and this is what you're generally in for the majority of

you know, third and long situations. The only way a six-man pro is going to get beat is if they bring two to the side of the backs or two away from where the center is going. Yeah. Yeah. And a four down front. That's good. Sorry, I know that we're going to win. I love this shit. I like this. We don't know about this as fans sometimes. Sure. And I don't know, maybe it sounds like you really put yourself into, you know, dedicating –

You're like prepped to this type of understanding and you know your routine that you have to get in. Do you think there's some centers in the NFL that just go up there and they're like, oh, fuck, I have no idea. I'm just going to try to kill the guy that's closest to me. I think probably not anybody who has no idea. Hopefully nobody that has no idea what's happening and they're just going to kill somebody. I think the position requires a little bit more than that mentally to be good because part of it's not even just you.

One of the things I love about centers, it's not just your job. You're responsible for helping other guys play better. By just making a call, you can make the quarterback better situated. You can make the right guard in a better position to block whoever, right? Yeah. And you need to embrace that to be a good center, in my opinion. But I think...

there's differing degrees of control that centers have. I had a lot in Philadelphia and that got built up over a decade plus of playing there. When I first got there, Michael Vick controlled the vast majority of it. And I was like, Hey, I'm going to start this with like what the rule in the playbook is. We're going to go to the mic and Vick's going to do everything off of that. And then my next year they give you a little bit more like, all right, because it's hard. It's hard for the quarterback to,

to know all of those different fronts and everything. They can read coverages and all that other stuff. So the best situation is when the quarterback and center are on the same page, they've talked all week, and they know what each person's looking for. And I think that the older you get as a center, the more –

leeway you get in helping the quarterback out because that's, at the end of the day, our whole job. Yeah, and I mean, a part of your career that was so incredible is the amount of games that you played, not missing a lot of time. I think it was, what, 150 starts in a row? Something like that? It feels like you know my career. But my question to you is that, you know, we talk about offensive line play all the time, and

a team gets ravaged by injury and they're shifting guys. And even like the Chiefs right now, Joe Thune is going from guard to tackle. Shout out to Joe Thune, man. That's fucking insane. So how long, like at what point do you, when you're working with people, do you feel like, all right, I know what they're going to do. We can all, the sum of the parts becomes even better because we all know each other so well and we can team block here versus when someone gets thrown in and you're like, all right, fuck, we're kind of, this is going to hurt us here.

I think it depends on how many new guys there are. There's a level of communication that's verbal.

But there's also a level of communication that you kind of just understand. And that's kind of like where Pat and Travis are on that page, right? Where, like, at this point, they don't even need to tell each other. Like, this guy's outside leverage on this play. I know Travis is going to do this, even though nobody – he and I haven't even talked about this. Right. We just know it's going to happen. Right. And offensive line is the same way. You know, it's like, okay, when this look happens, I know my right guard is going to do this. Isaac St. Miles is going to do that. And when Isaac's not in and there's a new guy –

you have to over-communicate what's about to happen. That makes sense. And that's hard to anticipate when there's a new guy in there. Yeah. But generally, if there's two new guys on a side, that's when I get a little bit concerned. Yeah. If you plug a guy in just at one person a side, generally that communication gets ironed out because there's continuity issues

between the center and that side. Yeah. When there's two new guys in a row, it's like, okay, now we got some room for some communication to break down here. And that's all it takes is a little communication. Makes a big deal. I mean, half of, you know, the run game, passing game, half of it is just like everybody being on the same page. Yeah. If you're not on the same page in the run game, you're pretty much fucked. If you're not on the same page in the pass game, you're fucked. So, like, that's the most important thing. Yeah. To offensive line player, really important.

Offensive football, yeah. How bad was the turf in the 2022 Super Bowl? It was pretty bad. Yeah. We did an investigation. You guys got through. You did an investigation. The sod father. He was at work. You should just bring that up to Travis. Go figure. Yeah, I got one over you. He's like, the sod father got one over me. Yeah, that's right. I didn't lose to Travis Gush and the Chiefs. You lost to the sod father. I think he got a ring. Yeah. It's okay to say Max is just viciously shaking his head right now. You know, um...

Yeah, I think our D-line was hindered quite a bit. Yeah. But so was Chris Jones, so I wasn't complaining. Well, no, they knew. The sidefather worked for the Chiefs, so they knew. They were wearing the right spikes. They slipped a bunch as well. Here's the thing. A bad field is to the advantage of an offensive line because the defensive line are the ones, like, really trying to get a good getoff on the ball. So multiple times, like,

Their D-line's slipping, too. Now, I happen to think, like, you know, Simon Reddick's, like, major move was taken away because of the way that grass was. Like, he's a heavy bend-the-edge type rusher, and that kind of got neutralized.

Uh, Hargrave, really good get off quick Twitch guy. It's going to hurt guys like that. Right. Right. So I played Chris Jones in that. I also played in Dominican Sioux and Nick Fairley in the snow in Philadelphia. Love that. Yeah. I played in Dominican Sioux like four years later when he was with Miami or something like that.

Maybe it was actually just two years after that. Two or three years. And it was a significantly different Indomitian Sioux. Yeah. Good field, for sure. Who's the toughest? Who's the guy who gave you the most problems? So you're like, you know, I know I'm all pro. I know I'm a really good center, but something about him. There's a lot of guys. Yeah, I mean, I think the best player I ever played against was Aaron Donald, for sure. Luckily, he...

chose to, you know, be a nightmare for the guard more than he was for the center. So I didn't have to deal with it too much, but he was a freak. Um,

For me specifically, Dexter Lawrence in the second half of my career was a nightmare in New York. He still is. I see him now. I can't believe I used to have to like try and like block that guy. He's fucking enormous. Like he is. And he's not even like big. Like when I first came to the league, like Vince Woolfolk was like the big guy. Yeah. Lodi Nada. Big gun. Lodi Nada. Yeah.

But like Dexter's like, he almost looks like a basketball player, just like ballooned up. Like he's like an athlete athlete. Yeah. It's crazy. But he was great. Still is. Snacks Harrison, who probably if you're not a Giants fan, you might not even know. But yeah, he was really good. I was always, for some reason, like not the best guy sometimes gave me issues. Like Puna Ford. I don't know if you're familiar with him.

Backup nose guards sometimes gave me the most fits out of anybody. Puna's listening to this right now. He's like, what the fuck, man? I know. Puna started in Seattle, played really good this year. Kind of had a down year in Buffalo the year before. Yeah.

He had longer arms than me and he's shorter than me. So like for me, it's like, all right, at least when I play a bigger guy, I can get up under him. Right. Win the leverage battle. And if I play a shorter guys, okay, at least I have longer arms. So like when you play somebody shorter with longer arms, like I've negated every technical advantage I have. I have no mass advantage. So it's like, that's a great answer. Yeah. Ford. Yeah. He was. Yeah.

I love that. So, so with the last Superbowl, I'm more interested in how you went about scheduling the next podcast after that. Like who sent the first text? And I was like, Hey, it's probably intern Brandon. We should probably record in a very softly worded guys. Not sure if you guys are aware, but we have the podcast recording coming up. Yeah. I mean, I was ready to do it. It sucked. It was the worst podcast for me. Um,

So, yeah, losing a Super Bowl that you're playing in is by far the worst feeling imaginable because it takes so much to get there. One of these teams is going to be fucking heartbroken. Right. That's why we let you guys win this time. That's where I'm in a weird situation again where there's a lot of people I care about on both sides, and you know that somebody is just going to be absolutely fucking devastated. Right. And it's like...

On some level, like you almost wish you'd lose the championship round or some other round. Yeah, it was great. It was great for me this year. I love it. Thank you. And the Commanders, they're playing with house money this year. There's like zero expectations of that happening. Okay, so I get the house money argument. But at the same time, there's a lot of guys that get to the NFC championship or AFC championship that don't get back.

So it's like when you're there, you want to win. But I am glad that we got our ass kicked. That's way better than losing a close game. Like, yeah, you lose on a call. Yeah, the bills. Yeah. Every time. The...

It's funny you say that because the year we won the Super Bowl, Brent Selig actually started that year out saying he went to the NFC Championship. I think his second year in the league. It was either first or second year. And he just thought he'd go back like every year. And then it took him all the way to like year 13 or whatever it was, 11, to get back to the Super Bowl. So, yeah, don't take it for granted when it's there. It's hard to get those teams together. It really is. Unless you have like a perennial quarterback, which –

I hope. Maybe. Yeah. You look pretty good this year. I don't want to jinx it, but yeah, he's pretty fucking awesome. After a bad loss, what's the timeframe for like friends and family to text you? Because we, you know, we've been lucky enough to do this a long time that we know a bunch of these guys. Yeah. And I always am like, I usually give it a week because like, I don't, I don't know how, like if you text someone like a day later, like, hey man, that sucked. Day later is good. You think so?

I feel like because everybody's texting them the day of. Yeah. The day of is wrong. The day of, it's like, first of all, there's a lot of texts happening. Yeah. You're still like pissed off and don't want to respond to anybody. Right. Next day is a good text. Okay. Emotions have kind of come down. Like what's the stages of grief? You're like in that. Denial. Denial. Denial is happening the first day. Yeah. Second, what's second stage? Maybe acceptance. Yeah. Yeah.

I think you've started. That's probably the end, right? Acceptance is the end. Anger. Anger is in there. Anger is definitely in the first day as well. Bargaining. Bargaining. Bargaining happens bad. Yeah. Sod father. Because you start thinking about like all the bargaining in like the stage degree for the Super Bowl loss is like, man, if I just would have did this or if I would have been bad. And that's what's happening really, especially the second day. Okay. God damn. I could have won the Super Bowl if I just would have done this. Right. Like if I would just would have did that.

we would be Super Bowl champions. And everybody was like, Mark Andrews is doing that with the loss this year in the playoffs, right? Yeah. And he does it, negates everything else he's done for the entire season. Right. His entire existence as a Raven. He's like thinking about that. And every other mistake that everyone else made in that game. Everybody's thinking about it. It's like, just don't make the last mistake. Yeah.

That's a big one. Yeah. Because that's what everybody remembers. Yeah, like, everybody remembers Bradford with the holding call on Juju Smith in our last Super Bowl. They don't remember me fucking up a blitz, you know, on third and five or whatever, right? Right.

Sounds like you remember that. Oh, I remember it. It haunts me very much. We're doing some bargaining right now. Fucking spags. So I've been bargaining for that for a long time. But I think, so that next day text is good to distract that person's mind from thinking about all that. Yeah, because I don't know. I mean, that's just, it's.

It's got to be. And then the element of Travis, has he rubbed it in your face at all? He's been a good brother. He has not rubbed it in my face. Would you have rubbed it in his face? I don't think I would. No. Come on. I mean, you're the older brother. You can kind of. I think. Well, let me put now being on this side of it, I definitely would not do it. Right. Had I never experienced what it feels like to lose a Super Bowl.

I still don't think I would have done it. It's a freaking downer. It's a big one. Yeah. But if you had played another year and then you somehow beat the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, then you would rub that in his face because he already got one on you. Yeah. If we were one-on-one. Then it's like all fair play. Yeah. For sure. It's really hard to rub something in Travis's face when he's better in like every facet of the career you chose to go into. Yeah.

Okay, when you put it that way, okay, okay. You're a much better dresser than he is. Yeah. That's right. You drink more beer than him, I assume. You know what? He can down some beers. Really? Yeah. Shit. He's very good. You got to have something.

I think I always can hang my hat that I'm the older brother. Yeah. Your mom's got to love you the most. The mom definitely loves Travis. Oh, yeah. God damn it. This came across my timeline the other day. This is Travis back in like 2015, maybe 2016. Do you remember this? When he went through like his kind of meth era? What is that? I don't know. It looks like he's going to like a shop class. Look at that. That's crazy. Eye protective. Yeah. Yeah.

He's got a bunsen burner on. I mean, Trav has always had some pretty amazing style. Yeah. But yeah, so you were just saying earlier how, you know, getting away from the NFL, you weren't sure if your body could do it. It's a lot of pain, a lot of stuff that, you know, aches every single day. Is it harder being a podcaster, though? Yeah, my back hurts way more podcasting. Yeah. I'm seated more. Yeah. Like, I feel awful every day. Yeah.

If I don't work out, I feel worse than when I did playing football. Oh, I don't work out. I'm not making that up. I always feel bad, yeah. They're going to do a study on podcasters. I think it's going to be like they're going to have to make a movie about it. It's going to be an epidemic. These guys, yeah, they really put their lives on the line. Watching football 12 hours every Sunday. This sedentary lifestyle. Yeah. If CTE is from repetitive hits to the head, what's the podcaster's brain function where they just never got their heart rate up enough to get the blood up

to the head. Yeah, exactly. I'm never operating at 100%. Slowly strangling yourself. So Travis doesn't give you shit about the Super Bowl. Does your wife give you shit about her podcast being more successful than yours? Oh, all the time. That sucks. It's all going to the same account. That's true. It's a team win. It's success across the board. It seems like you guys enjoy it. You guys are crushing it. Yeah, I mean, it's been...

Yeah, I think the podcast on both sides has been amazingly successful and we have a lot of people that help us out with it and that's been fun. I think that like...

We didn't really know. We're still working out the scheduling of everything. I think that's the reality of... One of the things I do miss about football is everything is like... It's almost like the military where every hour of your day is scheduled to the tee. And when you're in the podcasting world, at least for me, you guys may be way more dialed than I am. But I feel like you're more...

between that and ESPN and all this stuff, you're kind of all over the place. Yeah. Oh, hop on a zoom here. I'll go do this. We can get this guest at this time. So yeah, I'll be there for that. And I think that when we're both in that kind of realm, we've kind of had to figure out how do we like bring organized to this chaos? Right. Right. So that's been a new experience, but is there a part of you that's like, you're busier than you were when you were playing football?

I'm doing everything. I'm like less busy, but I'm more inefficient with my time. Okay. Like I feel like. That's a podcaster like life. Yeah. Like football, like every, every second of your day is busy or that you're working for and you're amazingly successful at utilizing your time. And now I'm just like the biggest time suck. I lose so many hours because I'm like, oh, if I just like,

you know, I got this in an hour, so I'll do nothing for an hour. Yes, that's what we've been doing for the last hour and a half. There we go, yeah. So that's a lot of my day, yeah. Yeah, but it's crazy to see your career. I mean, we were reminiscing. I don't know if you remember this. You probably don't, but I think it was 2017. Yeah, Chris Long. Yeah, we went to the Eagles. I remember that for sure. Bears game, and then we went to Bo Allen's house afterwards. You, Bo, Chris Long, and Brent Selick.

And it's like, you know, people don't know offensive linemen that well. And it's just like now to think about how popular and like incredible your post career has gone. It's insane. Yeah. I mean, back then did not expect this one bit. Yeah. I don't think you said anything. You were just sitting on the couch. Yeah. I was just hanging out. Yeah. I think at one point I made a drink, drink a beer. Yeah. But I think, yeah, what were you even talking about? We were just hanging out. Just hanging out. Yeah. Shooting the shit. Yeah. I think, um,

At some point, seeing other guys have successful podcasts, Travis and I just decided to try and do it.

And then we fucking got lucky enough to play each other in a Super Bowl the first year. I know. It's pretty good. And his dating life maybe helped a little too. We've been trying to get Hank to date Beyonce and Rihanna. We are probably trying to boost these numbers up a little bit. Listen, we have a very good demographic diversity in our podcast. I would say so. I would say so. Yeah, you got it. Yeah. I sometimes like click on my Instagram follows and like it's like 99.9% dudes. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, okay. Cool. Yeah.

I mean, you've done very well on the podcast game. I think you understand how to poke the hornet's nest sometimes, but you apologize too much. That's the one thing you've told me. The secretary thing. You had a great take with the secretary thing. Like, I

I agree with you. I DM'd you right after. I was like, hey, we bullied Mike List off line. Like, don't fucking apologize. Do not do this. We have to stick together. Like, you have a good take. That fucking horse was doing steroids. We've heard from horse racing Randy Moss. He's like the biggest proponent of the sport. He's like, yeah, I mean, he probably

It doesn't detract from his legacy, but we can speak honestly about it. We should dig up his fucking corpse and give him a blood test and see what's what. Don't apologize. And then you apologize to a dead horse. The dude at Penn State, we don't have to rehash that. Shouldn't have apologized for that. That guy was a dickhead. That was a soft apology. Yeah, that guy was a dickhead. You just got to stand... People love you, and people have your back anyway. If you say Secretariat did a little steroids, who cares? Yeah.

It was funny because you were like heartfelt in your contrition. You were like, I know that there's a lot of fans of horse racing out there. I did not mean to denigrate sport and the passion that you so clearly have for a legend. No. No, fuck that. The horse was juicing. Yeah, I hit you up right away. I was like, dude, don't apologize. Do not apologize. Do not apologize. I was like, we have your back. Have you ever seen Secretariat of Horse?

Have you ever seen his balls? No. That's right, because they're so fucking small. You ever see him fucking swing a bat? Guy could hit it 550 feet. Fucking...

Just promise us that you won't apologize to any more horses. Yeah. All right. I will agree with that. And yeah, we could be apologizing is, is difficult too, because it just gets like clipped up and it doesn't accomplish anything. You can't please everyone. Right. Right. It's like, guys, I was just trying to be funny about a horse taking steroids. I wasn't being that serious about it. Yeah. And,

Little do I know, secretariats like grandparents are tweeting out messages. I'm like, God damn it. This is not what I intended. But that's all. You'll just appease the five people that are actually mad at you, and then they'll just be mad about the next thing. No doubt. So no more apologies. Just own it. We could be apology police for you. If you have a thought of apologizing, run it by us. I'm going to run it by you guys from now on. It was like, fuck no. No, do not. No apologies. That kid at Penn State was a dick.

He was. Back you up on that one. He was. It was also great product placement. I thought it might have been a viral ad. We're so stupid in our podcast brains. Was this planned? Yeah, we're like, oh, this is going to be a Super Bowl commercial. What?

I mean, it was a very perfect slap on the ground. You put that phone into the earth's core. Yeah, it was great. It was awesome. We'll get back to Jason Kelsey in a second. He's brought to you by Mountain Dew Baja Blast. You can add a blast of refreshing tropical lime flavor to your game day with Mountain Dew Baja Blast. Mountain Dew Baja Blast is a big part of my game day ritual. I like to have one at halftime, recharge for the second half, get that energy going.

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Well, I think they're definitely better with Saquon Barkley. That's a good answer. And I think Cam Juergens has been phenomenal this year.

Makai Becton has come in and been a big part of that offensive line as well. And for me, as an undersized guy, I always played really well with big guards next to me. And I think Makai and Cam have played really well. There's no question about it. And they're a better unit physically than we were last year. There's no question about it. Yeah, I think that was just me that said that. I don't think there's actually any haters. Well, I think that...

I think that they are – I mean, Saquon Barkley almost broke the Russian title. He would have broken the Russian title if he would have played. I mean, they're pretty fucking good. Yeah, absolutely. They still have Jeff Stoutland, Lane Johnson. I mean, Lane Johnson's been the linchpin of the line for a long time. It was Jason Peters, then it really went to Lane Johnson. Jordan Malata this year has been potentially – I mean, I think he might have been the best tackle in the NFL this year. And I say that like Lane is still the best pass-blocking tackle –

But Malata does a lot of things in the run game as well. Both of those guys booking in that line have been unbelievable. Yeah. No, that's just a little podcaster trick. Anytime somebody good retires, you just hop. You try to be the first person to say, are they better without this awesome guy? That's how the takes work. Yeah. You've got to fire them off. One thing I love about your career is you were an underdog. And going to Cincinnati, changing positions, being a late-round draft pick, was there ever –

where you were like, this might not be my future? Because I always love those stories where people are like, yeah, I actually had a sliding door moment where it's like, if this didn't happen, I probably can't keep going and have the career I have. Yeah, there's a lot of points. The big one coming out of high school was being a walk-on. I'm like a walk-on linebacker. And I had a grandfather who was actually a low-key piece of shit. Like, I love the guy, but he was a bad grandpa and a bad person. Yeah.

Let me tell you that. He was a good grandpa, bad person. Better grandpa than person. Yes. Which, hey, good job being a good grandpa. Yeah. And he like gave me a quote about persistence from like Calvin Coolidge at the time.

and it just like really just hit me smack dab like right in the face when he gave it to me that's a good quote yeah it's like the the world is filled with like geniuses that don't work hard enough essentially and they say that they could have been something yeah it's um wasted town nothing will take the place of persistence talent will not the world is full of unsuccessful men with talent genius will not i'm awarded genius is almost a proverb

Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. So it's basically like, don't give up, you pussy. That's what he was trying to tell me. And it was just a great quote. And I had a lot of Division II offers and a lot of Division III places I could go. I was like, you know what? I'm going to go try and walk on a Division I program and see if I can't hang with these guys. And I ended up going to Cincinnati, Michigan.

Then it really just gotten a lot of fortune to be honest with you. Like Paul Longo, sorry, beers get me. Paul Longo was a strength coach that came with Brian Kelly and he's got a movement offensive line. If he would have never came to Cincinnati, I don't know that I've ever been moved offensive line. Right. Cause I had never played the position. I didn't know how to fucking do it. And he was like, Hey, I've done this. He did with Joe Staley at central Michigan. And then he did it with me and Phil and Cincinnati before I came to Philly and it, uh, that kind of sparked everything. Yeah. Yeah.

Got a starting job in college, then you're undersized. I got lucky that Howard Mudd came to Philadelphia, who worked with Jeff Saraday at Indianapolis, liked to undersize offensive linemen, so he drafted me and Howie Roseman. And then I got fortunate to work with Jeff Stalin, who's been the best offensive line coach in the past decade. So it's kind of fucking crazy how really just that one little stupid quote led to me walking into the most fortuitous situations over and over again, even though everybody else...

thought i was terrible or didn't think i'd make it right i kept getting these situations like one the right person kind of believed in me i love those stories though because it's you know i think there's the one thing i hate when people get very successful and they're like oh yeah i'm just more talented than everyone yeah it's like no there's there has to be well what do you do with breaks there has to be people that believe in you along the way to get to where you're at and it's really cool to to hear like all those people along the way for sure and nobody's so talented that they

did it on their own right i mean i guess maybe miles garrett maybe miles it could have been it was like i think arnold in his like new book he's like you know i'm not a self-made man i'm the opposite of a self-made man there's a bunch of people that help make me to be like you know this successful right right and i think for sure most football players are like that most coaches feel that way because you realize especially in football like there's so many different things that

you're relying on to do your job. When are you going to start coaching? When are you going to be the assistant offensive line coach? Is that in the future at all? Part of me would love to do that, but that would be a significant pay decrease from podcasting. Yeah, podcasting pays well. So I'm navigating that. There's also just the time commitment of those guys. It's like I got three young kids, a fourth on the way, and –

I don't know that I'm ready for that yet. But I know that I would absolutely love it. I love the X's and O's part of it. I love being with the guys. That's the thing I miss most about. Do I want to play in the Super Bowl? Yeah, I want to play in the Super Bowl. I want to be with the guys. That's what I want. And when you're not on the field with them, that's what you miss. Yeah, for sure. You get to say we still about the Eagles. What about us? If I talk about the Commanders, Big Cat talks about the Bears. We say we. We feel like we're on the team. Is that cool? I'm fine with that.

Well, I say as long as you guys are legitimately. Yeah. You have to be full. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Well, then I do. I do catch myself every now and then being like they when it's going bad. Yeah. You got to stay consistent. Yeah. I think I might have said they early on in the season when people are down and they're really not doing this well. One thing that gets said about you a lot is that you're a better person than you were a football player.

People say that about me. Yeah, they say that about you. Are you making this up on the spot? I've seen a lot of quotes. He's an incredible person. But do you realize that's bullshit? We're here to tell you that's bullshit. That's why I'm here. Because that would make me like, you're one of the top, I don't know, if you're in the Hall of Fame, I don't know how many people are in the Hall of Fame, but one of the top thousand guys ever to play football.

You're not. You're not one of the top 5,000 people to ever live. Well, I can guarantee I'm not a good person. I'm a piece of shit. Okay, all right. I just want to make sure because we always say it when people are like, oh, J.J. Watt's a better person than a football player. We're like, dude, he was a really good football player. I don't think he's that good of a person. There's no chance. Yeah, like you can't be that good of a person. He's a great person.

Dalai Lama? Yeah, right, right. I've never seen him in three-point stance. That might not have gone. That didn't age well, did it? No, he licks boys. Yeah. Fuck. That was a weird week on the internet. That was a really weird week. He was just like, it looked like he was sending an envelope with a stamp. Is there anybody that has lived up to being a good person? Like Mahatma Gandhi, apparently like...

just love sex orgies or something like that. Yeah. It's always comes out. Yeah. There's something. It's like, it's, it's gotta be like just some random person that you never, wasn't there something like with mother Teresa where there was some, Oh yeah. Yeah. She's bad. She was a stat. She, she was a stack compiler. I mean, what the fuck? Yeah. I think she had some bad tweets. She was, she would like go into a hospital and just be like, bless, bless, bless, bless. Just like walk through the hallways room. And she's like, got another 200 today. Yeah. Another 200 souls in heaven.

There's a lot of garbage time stuff. Yeah, there's garbage time that got added to her lifetime. I'm dead serious. You take out the garbage time. I think Mr. Rogers, if Mr. Rogers, if something bad came out about him, I'd be like, fuck, nothing's real. He's a one solid. Him and Weird Al, I think. Yeah, the best people are like, it's like some grandma in Toledo or something that no one ever has heard of. That's probably the best person. There's no question. Yeah. Way better football player than humans.

Yeah. I mean, you were an incredible football player. Not even close. Not close. No, but people did always, I mean, it seems like, especially in your entire career, like you were a locker room guy. Did you like take pride in that being like, because you had roster turnover year over year where you had to play with tons of iterations of a roster where you're like, I take pride in being like the glue guy here a little bit.

I don't know if you ever think about it that way. You're just kind of like going about being a teammate. And I think when you've, I don't know, when you've been on the shit end of the stick or on low man on the totem pole, you kind of just have a frame of reference for that. And I think you, there's always people that you know that treated you well, that you looked up to and people that maybe didn't do it as well. And you're like, okay, how can I just be, you know, a good teammate? Right. And I think that's, there's,

You also, like, find out, at least I did, I think, that a lot of the selfish things that happen in football specifically where, like, guys get worried about another guy taking their job or –

like they don't talk to like young players, it almost never works out for the older guy. Like it almost always leads to something bad happening. Right. And it's almost always the young guy ends up playing and the guy gets traded or cut. So like I do think there's even like a bit of selfishness there of like, hey, like, no, it's actually good for you to like –

talk to this guy and like be in a conducive work environment, you're going to play better as well. Right. And like at the very end of the day, if this guy's better than you, he's going to take your job regardless. Right. Like it's an inevitable thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? So like you can either be a proactive member of this and that guy can then be like, Hey, like that guy was really awesome to me young in my career, or you can be a piece of shit. And then that guy's still going to take your job. And then you're going to be remembered as this douchebag. Yeah. Yeah. And if you can teach somebody how to do something, if you're like trying to be helpful, show them the way, if you can actually,

impart that knowledge, you're learning more about it yourself, right? There's no, no question. I mean, we start would actually talk about that, like he would have guys, older players, describe plays to young guys,

Because a big part of learning something, when you're teaching something, you're actually reinforcing it to yourself, right? So when you do that, especially in the context of a group, everybody's collective thought on what this play is becomes more solidified. Yeah. So I firmly believe that. You teaching somebody else is actually helping you. Yeah, it's really good. And you're also going to... Even Cam Juergens, when he was a rookie, Landon Dickerson, when he was a rookie, you're going to find stuff out from them that you can take. Even though they're rookies...

They still have frames of reference from the game and like college. They're doing creative new shit every year, but,

It's like, oh, okay, that's how you guys did that. And then you're like, in your head, you're like, okay, well, that's fucking stupid. Or you're like, oh, that's fucking really cool. I'm going to try and do that. Yeah. I don't know. I'm fascinated by the transition you made when you go to college and you become a lineman. And you were what, a running back and a linebacker? I was a linebacker primarily. We ran a wing tee in high school. Oh, nice. And I was one of the wing guys. And we would run the ball at me.

98% of the time. I was just a lead blocker in the wing team. Your fullback. Yes. And every once in a while, the entire defense knew that was happening. Right. And I get an audible jet sweep the other way, so I averaged like 9.8 yards a carry because it was wide open. That's awesome. Yeah, but I was a linebacker. So you go to college, and some coach is like, hey, we'd like you to play center. Yeah. I thought it was crazy. Were you immediately like, okay? No. I was in winter conditioning. This was right when Paul Longo got hired. And he said...

You know, you make a good center one day. I'm like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? I've never played offensive line. I'm 235 pounds. I thought he was, like, just, like, fucking with me, like, calling me unathletic. He's like a linebacker. That was his way to shit talk me for being, like, a bad athlete. That's what I thought. Oh, you got fat over the winter break. It's like, I get it. I freaking put on a freshman 15. I'm doing it. And then...

I was a walk-on in like three days into spring practice, spring ball, before we started hitting, which was like the worst part of my game because we were just doing like seven on seven. I couldn't cover anybody. Like I was a downhill, fill the eight gap, Mike Linebacker. I was not like go – and this is probably why they moved to offensive line. But three days in, they were like, hey, we want to try out offensive line. So I do that for the spring. And then after that, they came up and the offensive line coach, Jeff Quinn –

I was like, hey, we're going to keep you at center. I was like, well, coach, I'll probably just transfer. Like, I don't think I'm going to put on 60 pounds, 50 pounds for free. I'm going to walk on. I'll just go walk on someplace else. Right. And they said, well, if you agree to go to offensive line, we can't give you a scholarship in the fall, but we can give you one in the winter. Like, we're already filled for this next quarter. Right. But the moment those guys graduate, we'll put you on scholarship. Right.

So that was kind of like a quick way that I got a scholarship after my first year. That's my first contract negotiation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I just like loaded up on the double cheeseburgers and French fries. And I had high blood pressure for a year in college because I was eating. That's incredible though, that he just looked at you and was like, yeah, you'd be a center.

And I mean, that's what Paul did. Like he, again, Joe Staley at central Michigan, he did with a bunch of guys at Iowa too. Like he had this knack of just looking at somebody's frame and he believed in like taking athletic guys and making them offensive linemen. Right. That was like his model. Yeah. I love that, that like character trait about a football coach where he just looks at a human being. He's like, sees his hips tight end.

I don't know if it was the way I was moving or what it was. Gotcha. Really? Everybody else thinks I'm way too small. He's like, no, you're going to be good. Yeah, yeah. All right. I got a very important question for you. You're DraftKings Sportsbook. We're DraftKings Sportsbook. Yeah. Shout out our guys at DraftKings Sportsbook. We love them. Yes. If you had to bet a side in this game. I had to bet. Okay. Are we using points? Are we doing straight money lines? I think the spread's one and a half right now. Spread's one and a half. That's good. Yeah. Yeah.

This was one because we were just talking about all this stuff on the pod, and I didn't want to touch anything with the game. I ended up taking – So you got a prop? Yeah. Yeah, we did a prop parlay. I took Mahomes over on passing touchdowns and any time hurts, and then a coin flip. All right. Wait, what did you do with the coin flip? I went tails. All right. There we go. Good call. Never fails. Tails down Mark Amblin. Absolutely. Tails never fails. But it's – yeah, it's hard. This one's a very difficult one. I could see it going either way. I think –

The Eagles are really, really talented. But if the game's close, it's always just like the Mahomes factor. I've seen it before. It's Mahomes, Andy Reid. They've been there so many times.

So I could see them getting out to a big lead and having a controlling game, the Eagles. But I could also see it being really close because they got Spagnuolo. They have a really good defense. It's the dumbest analysis, but it's also the smartest. Before, I think it was maybe the Chiefs-Texans game, we were breaking it down. I was like, I don't know, man. If they need a first down, Mahomes will either run for it or he'll find Travis Kelsey. And then they'll get it. And then they'll just do that again. And then they'll win the game. Yep.

I know there's a lot more to football and the defense and everything, but it's like when you decipher it down to like the three or four got to have it plays on offense for the Chiefs in this run has just been bones with his feet or finding Travis. And their defense is really good. They keep them in those situations. If they didn't have a good defense, the Chiefs would not be a good football team. Yeah. I mean, no team would be good without a defense, but...

Well, the Commanders were pretty good. Yeah. We didn't have much of a defense. That's true. We ended up being like average by the end of the season. They got a lot better by the end of the year. Bobby Wagner and like Dan Quinn did a phenomenal job. We had a great goal line defense against the Tush Push. There you go. Just jump over top. Yeah. Just keep going offside. Four times kill. How much more awarded points? How much would that suck? Yeah, being Cam Jurgens, you get a bad back. Yeah. And Lou Lou's just landing on you over and over. Yeah, that would suck. Yeah, I think it's...

Yeah, they have a defense that's going to keep the game within a score, and they have a quarterback that is like the best of all time with the game that close. So it's hard to pick against that, and that's why they keep winning, right? That's why everybody thinks the officials are on their side, and it's all rigged for them because how do they continue to win all these games? Sodfather. Sodfather. That one was real. That one, yeah. Have you noticed the difference in –

Sirianni in that, like, you obviously, you know, you saw him when he's an early coach. He goes to the playoffs and goes to the Super Bowl. Last year, didn't go so well towards the end of the year. Felt like he was kind of losing a little bit of the whole of the rope, but this year they've been incredible. Yeah. Like, what has he... Do you think it's just him getting more comfortable with the job? No, I think they got better players this year and hired two really good coordinators. Not that the guys weren't there last year weren't good. It's just... I think...

They have better players. Offensively, they signed Saquon, right? Defensively, all these young guys they've drafted have panned out. Yeah. Quinion Mitchell. Quinion, Cooper, Zach Bond in the offseason. Jaron Carter has really come into it. Like, someone got even better from his rookie year. So, like...

They have a lot of really talented players. The young guys have panned out. And both of those coordinators have done really well. I think Nick's been a great head coach since he's been there. He communicates really well in team meetings. The organizational aspect of being a head coach, he's, quite frankly, probably the best I've been around. I mean, I was young when I was with Andy, so it's hard for me to –

I wasn't like evaluating the head coach. He's like a rookie. I was like, yeah, yes, sir. Yep, I'll go do that. But like now having been through like four different head coaches, he does that very, very well. So I think he was a great head coach last year. There's just a lot of circumstances that led to a deterioration at the end of it. Part of that's like the defense underperformed offensively, started getting crushed, couldn't handle blitzes. Now they've gotten the structure back.

and they're excelling. And he also knows when to use his kids as human shields. Dude, he's been doing that. That was the best. I felt so bad. That was the funniest, most transparent move. I would do the same thing. Poor Jacob's caught in the middle of this. I just can't wait if he does win the Super Bowl.

I really hope he brings the kids up on the podium. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like this giant. Yeah. Fuck off. Here's a question for my kids. All right, so are you ready? We got a whole gang of Philly representation in the room. Yeah, baby. Are you ready for some guest questions? Oh, fuck yeah. Okay, so let's start with Roan. Roan. I see him. He's already getting ready. Yep. Roan's ready to go. I love that fucking sweatshirt. You are so, you obviously feel it, but I don't think there's anyone in Philly that's more loved than you.

Don't say that, bro. Don't say that. It's not true. I think the thing about Jason is you look like an Eagles fan. Yeah. I think if you were to take one guy in the NFL and be like, does this person look like he's from the city of the team? We did a lookalike thing yesterday with Marriott where there's like 25 Kelsey lookalikes. And there's been like all these lookalikes all around the city.

I think I look like a lot of white guys that have beards and are kind of overweight. I just have that look. So any city, I'm very relatable to. But I do think PMT's right. It's like 101 Dalmatians when the owners look like the dogs. You just slowly started looking more like Philly. It's like when Gardner Minshew was on the Jags. I was like, that dude...

he's from Jackson. Fair enough. But that's kind of what my question kind of leads into. Like, Delco, Delaware County has almost become like a national thing. Like, people know about Delco and then I see you on They Call It Late Night and you're like rocking the Timbs and the

hoodie yeah and it's like delco coated almost yeah and then like the seattle stuff like how has that informed your personality how did you kind of choose that as your tribe as opposed to living in a gated community in south jersey or something like that you're in the shit yeah i mean i would not say we're in the shit but i mean like you're mixing it up you're at a bar in seattle yeah you're like that's what i mean by it um well i grew up wearing the tims in in high school that was like

I wore a pair of Skechers one time to high school and I, and never again, I was like, dude, I got to wear something better than this. And all, all the, all the, everybody who was cool as shit wore Tim. So I'm like, all right, I'm wearing Tim's from now on. It's proportional to your body. Yeah. That's the thing is you got to, yeah, I can't wear like running shoes. That's right. But, um, you know, I don't know. I think, uh,

I've always identified and like, I just like hanging out with people that are freaking down to earth. Don't take things too seriously. Just want to, you know, enjoy life, have a beer. So yeah, I was kind of trying to surround myself in those areas. I wanted to be an upper Darby actually. And Kylie was like, there's no fucking chance we're living. That's what I said. They have fights every day at school. And I'm like, that,

That's the good thing. We had that in my high school. That was the best part. You learn more about life in a school. I want to see my kids the most violent elders in school. Who are in them? They're like, Jason, we have three daughters. Okay, that's fair. Yeah. They got to learn how to fight. And then real quick, X's and O's. So everybody's talking about the big thing in the offseason was like the line calls are going from you to Jalen Hurts. To Jalen. Yeah, to Jalen. So as you're assessing back over the season, how do you feel like he did –

And what did you do to kind of prepare him to take on that big role? We've been kind of jointly doing that for a long time. I would handle a lot of the line of scrimmage. He would handle extreme situations, blitz zero things that need checks. And now he's taken over for all of it. And he's done a great job. And I think the biggest thing that's the most important with blitz pickup is that the quarterback knows where the protection is and he has an answer if he's going to be hot. That's the most important thing.

And now he is so aware of all that, that even when it's not picked up, he knows where to go with the football. It's not a catastrophic situation. And I think that towards the end of the year, and especially if you're going up against a guy like Spaggs, who's going to overload you, if you aren't comfortable being hot, it's a bad situation to be in. And I think that now they've handled that so much better, and the numbers seem to –

I mean, I don't remember exactly what they were, but I know early in the year the numbers against the Blitz were very, very good. So I think he's doing well. Yeah, I think so too. You're doing great too, brother. Thanks, Ronald. Appreciate the questions, Ronald. All right, Max. What do you call a group of people from Philly? You know how it's like a murder of crows? Douchebags. John?

But that's in a loving way. Yeah. I mean, I love you the most, Max. It's a John, right? It's a John. It's a John. Yeah, it's a John. It's plural and singular, it's whatever, yeah. You met Max over in Tahoe. We did. A lot of meat on this couch right now. You are literally his hero. You saw him in the Beer Olympics. I did. He just cosplayed as you. Yeah. Nailed it. This is a big moment for him. It's a big moment for me. No, I'm cool. I'm cool.

His voice quivered. No, no. Strong. Confident. We have Jason Kelsey at home. Do you have a question? Yeah, no, I got a question. I got a question.

Have you decided what you're wearing for the game yet? No, this is serious. This is serious. You're blowing this, dude. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Because this is, I've talked to my friends. I've talked to my family. The one question that everyone wants to know is what you're wearing. I don't know what I'm wearing yet. I'm still figuring it out. I was going to wear a Cher t-shirt to just like not wear anything Eagles or Chiefs. Just go completely different. I have not figured it out yet, no.

Do you have recommendations? Yes, Eagles. That is my recommendation. I understand that Chiefs brother, he loved family, but I mean, the city of Philadelphia. Maybe get Big Dom to give you a track suit. I could just wear a Big Dom shirt. Oh, that would be good.

Big Dom's the best. Big Dom's the best. We met him finally for the first time yesterday. He told us he just pared down his entire closet. He only has 131 tracksuits now. I mean, it's what he wears every single day. It's like the funniest stereotype I've ever seen. And Lane Johnson was very, he was like, I've never seen his legs. He's like, you can't say you don't have any either. I don't think I have any either.

He's like, I've never seen him run. I've never seen his legs. Yeah. I mean, he's fully track suit every single day you see him. Yeah. You go in there before the game, there's cannolis and, like, freaking chicken cutlet sandwiches. I love that. It's the best thing ever. Look at the life force behind the Philadelphia Eagles, and I believe that. Yeah. I mean, look at our record when freaking he got kicked out of the game against San Fran. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, I mean, there's something to it. Yeah. He's been a mainstay in Philly for a long time. Yeah. All right, Max, you got one more? All right, last question. Ugh.

I feel like the most recent Super Bowl was when you became nationally known for a personality and everything. Yeah. I feel like in Philadelphia, it was the parade speech. Yeah, 17, yeah. That was where everyone really... Everyone knew we had a great center, but that was when it was like, all right, this guy is the face of this city as far as personality and everything goes. What would...

Did you like have an idea of what you were going to say going into that and then just kind of went off of that? Or did you write everything down, like rehearse it? What went into that going into that speech? Didn't write it down, but it wasn't like off the cuff, like either. Cause you know, you win a strip ball and you're like, you just think about this stuff. So like the moment you win, you're like thinking about everything you had to do in your career to get there and all these things that had to go right to accomplish that lifetime achievement. And you're like,

Thinking about that initially, and then you start thinking about, oh my God, think about Nick Foles and Lane Johnson, all these guys, their career story arcs as well. Then you're thinking about even just the season, how a lot of these guys were kind of like misfits added in.

And you think about Doug Peterson, Howie Roseman was just on the other side of the bill. So like all that stuff starts going in. So I kind of knew, I remember like three in the morning, I like wake Kylie up. I'm like, Hey, like, what do you think about this? Like, I like to say it. And she's like, will you go to sleep? And so I kind of knew what I wanted to say. I knew I wanted to kind of go through the coaches, then the Howie, then go through the team and then draw back to Philly.

And that's kind of how it happened. Yeah. Yeah. Good job, Max. That's it, Max. I love you. Love you, too. And then last one we got to see. What are you wearing? Yeah. Yeah. What are you wearing? I will be wearing my Eagles overalls underneath a black sweatshirt that Big Dom gave me. Hey! All right. So...

I can't. Now my ass is just in. All the cracks. All the cracks. All right, good. I actually like that butt crack out. It is out for this. All right. That's it. Good job, Max. All right, Kate's last stop. That had everything. Everything we expected and more, Max. You are all these people's heroes. You know that. Kate is last up, who you met at your event. Yeah, in Seattle. In Jersey Shore, yeah. Yeah. Kate.

This is going to be weird. You got this, Kate. Oh, hi, Jason. Hi, Kate. You probably remember me from the Eagles autism fundraiser last summer. Yes. Where I drank so much that I donated $1,000 to play flip cup with you. And then I lost. And then later that night, I had a full-blown panic attack because I had just yelled at Pat for buying a $99 beach umbrella the day before. We got into a huge argument.

How are you doing? Too good. Good. Great. Yeah, that was cool. So my thing is roasting a little bit. I've been on here before I roasted Chris Long. Okay. I think you have tough skin. All right, let's do it. Here we go.

In 2007, the UC Bearcats won the Papa John's Pizza Bowl. And here in New Orleans, you were in the 2010 Sugar Bowl. Oh, God. Maybe it's time for a salad bowl. I'm just kidding. I like my men how I like my Campbell's soup. Chunky. Yeah. But wow, look at you post-retirement. Podcasting, singing, late night TV show, beer, commercials, NFL commentary. Yeah.

Flag number 62 holding onto relevancy. Taylor Swift has songs like blank space and you need to calm down. What's it like to be such a big inspiration to her? No, you know what? I can't roast you. I can't do this. I,

Don't know if you could tell, I'm a huge Eagles fan and I'm a huge fan of you. And I have an ulterior motive, and this is genuine.

I want to become part of your inner circle so fucking bad. I want to get in with your people. Shout out Emily. Emily. I've been texting her about kids stuff. Yeah, we're super cool. So I thought, you know, my mom, Havertown, grew up behind the Manoa Shopping Center. I'm sure everybody knows the Manoa Shopping Center. Dad, Drexel Hill, down the street from Maple Lane's bowling alley, you know. I pretend to be from Delco.

You're from Delco? So I thought we could go over some things we both have in common, and maybe you could decide to, like, pull me into your inner circle instead. All right. Let's go. We've both lost rings. You lost your Super Bowl ring in a pool of Skyline Chili. I did. And I got divorced once. I don't know for sure, but I'd say both an enormous amount of pubic hair. Oh, my God.

It's true. You played for the birds and I've been told I look like Larry Bird. Yeah.

My mom also prefers my brother. We won't say it out loud, but we both think Patrick Mahomes is a fucking dork. I know we do. You were a fast, offensive lineman. Back in my prime, I was offensively fast with lines and men. Right.

We're both obsessed with your wife. Yeah, big time. Definitely. Someone got in your face to call your brother the F slur. That used to happen to me too in high school, but my brother was on the robotics team, so it checked out. He was. Wait, there's more. We both know what it's like to have haters. Yours, because you're incredibly smart, you're kind, hardworking, and that leads to a lot of success. People get jealous of that.

and mine is more of a personality thing people just kind of hate me because of who i am

Really though, I admire you and your family so much. I have to do it, sorry. I admire you and your family so much. I love that you stayed in Philly, that you continue to highlight the team and the city in such positive and fun ways all the time. And what your family does for Delco and businesses there and the Eagles Autism Foundation is amazing. And I just, I just love you. You're still fat though. Thank you, Kate. Oh, man.

Officially part of the inner circle. Yes, has to be. All right, well, Jason, this has been so much fun. We have one last question. Roback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com. Promo code TAKE.

Kate mentioned it. How does your wife deal with you? Because she actually, I think, is like a role model for all idiots out there. Like I know personally, I'm like, look at him. When my wife is like, you're being an idiot. I'm like, but he's got his shirt off. Yeah. I've actually been told not to. Like I've done a lot of shit in my barstool career. I told you about eating vomit.

Yeah. Yep. My wife, literally the only thing she gets mad at was when I take my shirt off. She's like, just stop taking your shirt off. Really? Yeah. She has an issue with that. I piss my pants. I do everything. She's like, just don't take your shirt off. Why do you got to do that? Nobody wants to see that. Like, come on. Yeah. I have no idea how Kylie puts up with me. And I think, yeah. Yeah. You have to ask her. Emily, do you know? How does Kylie handle me?

Emily. Yeah. She just tells them. I think, I think, um, I don't know. We just, yeah, I don't really know how to answer that question. It's just great. I think I'm a, I am a half Neanderthal half 21st century human being that functions very much by the seat of my pants. And luckily my wife puts up with me, uh,

and loves me in a way that she sees my flaws and runs with them. And yeah, I don't know. That's about all I can answer for it. You're real. I think that's what people love is you're real. Yeah. I think the biggest thing that's a struggle is again, like I am awful at sticking to any type of schedule or knowing what I'm going to do. And when you have three kids and a fourth on the way, that's like the number one thing anybody wants. So that's the biggest thing. But yeah, outside of that,

um,

She doesn't care that much when I take my shirt off, except for the one time I did in front of Taylor. In Buffalo? I'll say that. Your performance at that game, it was perfect because you were obviously hammered. You were having a great time. Very, yeah. But you also didn't do anything embarrassing. Like, you just, all you did was skyrocket to the top of, like, most average dudes, like, number one guy they want to drink a beer with. Yeah, I find most of the time when I do embarrassing things, it ends up positive. Yeah.

It could have been way worse. It does. It could have been way more embarrassing. I think most people, like, having fun, people see that and they're like, man, like, as long as you keep having fun.

I just like, I've always watched the Buffalo games and like, I love when Fitz takes his shirt off and like any fan outside in a snowy environment. Yep. Shirt off. I'm like, that guy's fucking the coolest dude on the planet. Yeah. I don't know why, but I fucking like that. Yeah, I agree. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to fucking do that. Yeah. But I can't do that in the suite. Like I'm surrounded by heat, so I got to jump out of the suite. Yeah.

So that this makes sense. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That actually makes perfect sense. All right, well, Jason, thanks so much, man. We really appreciate it. You got a ton of huge fans here. Keep crushing it. Thank you. But don't crush it too much.

Like you have football money. This is our life. How many podcasts do you read? What's your schedule? One a week. One a week. Yeah. Maybe one every other week. One every other week. Yeah. This is our livelihood. You're doing this. You parachute it in and you try to, my culture is not your costume. Just relax. Okay. Well, I think, uh, we admire everything you guys do. I think your guy's show is fantastic. Max, uh,

Pleasure to sit on this couch with you, Kate. Pleasure to be roasted by all the Philly people and non-Philly people associated with this show. I'm a huge fan, so it's an honor to be here. Thank you, man. Shout out Pug. Yes. Shout out Pug.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is now one of our favorite annual traditions. It's the Schwamm, Chris Berman, before the Super Bowl. Had to have you on. Let's start with this. How are you feeling overall? Congrats on 45 years at ESPN. Yeah, hard to believe. Are we going to 50?

Well, hi, fellas. Le raconteur et le grand chat, named after Andres Galarraga, the big cat, and the commenter, the raconteur, the explainer. I never thought of that number until I did a couple interviews about 45, and I'm the first at ESPN to get to 45, which, again, I don't know if that meant I climbed Mount Everest or discovered the North Pole or what it is. Yeah.

That was never a goal. And a couple of folks, like you said, well, have you thought of 50? I said, actually, I have not because that was never a goal. But, you know, we have our first – ABC's had Super Bowls, but ESPN has their first Super Bowl in a couple of years. I think they want me around for that. I mean, I'm not saying they should, but I think they do. They said, if I get there, that's kind of 47-and-a-half.

At this point, either tush, push it, or give it more Sean Lynch and get rid of the darn end zone. But it really is. So it would be cool. It's outside of ESPN, just that many years in this business, which you know is a cutthroat business, and people are always trying to knife each other, and people don't last for this long. It's a testament to you and your talent. Like, it's incredible. So I...

I'm there for 50. If you want to do a big party, we're there for 50. I think this is the site. I mean, you guys have treated me like royalty. I'm really not sure why. But I love it. Like I said, I get stopped nine months later after we do the Super Bowl show and either tells me one of two things. They go, your show with a part of my tech guys is great. It tells me one of two things. It tells me.

It was really a great show, and they remember it, or the rest of your shows are terrible. I really haven't decided yet, but I'm here to bail you out, all right? So 50, if they'll have... Look, if they're stupid enough to have me, I'd love to do it because I'm...

It's football. Yeah, it's football. It's football. It's football. And then I come after football because I don't do everything I used to. You actually now have the job that we really like lust for is that football, do football, and then after football be like, hey, you know what? We're going to take six months off. I'm going to play some golf. I work pretty hard to do this. I know. You deserve every second of it. You don't know. I'm going to have to live a long time to play the golf if I can shoot my age. I'm going to have to live to about 80. Shh.

Okay. But, you know, we'll see. Maybe we can lower that to 84, but thank you. It was never a goal. Yeah. And if we get into this with goals like I'm going to do this, I'm going to be famous, I'm going to make this kind of money, we don't get there. No, but once you reach the stage, the numbers in front of you, you have to think about it. Yeah. It's not at the start you weren't like 50 is my number, but you're so close. It's like, yeah, 50 would be magical. We'll build a statue for you. It'd be cool. It'd be the first. Well, I don't need that, but...

Put my face somewhere that they could throw darts at. But it would be...

a 50 year employee at ESPN, there may not be another one. Yeah. Cause times are different. That's what I'm saying. So hard. Yeah. So at any rate, so I'm in, I'm glad you're in. Okay. Yeah. We got that going for it. And that's a party of three, at least we had a party was the key word. We love how much you love football. It's very clear that you still love football. I don't know if the game has changed. It's obviously changed on the field, but like your relationship with it, your relationship with the game itself, uh,

It's gotten so much bigger. All the, you know, media, all the marketing around it. There's a lot that is wrapped around football that's changed over the years. But in terms of you and the game, how you see the game, has that changed or has that kind of stayed the same? Stayed the same more than you think. Now, that sounds goofy after what we've just said. I mean, my first Super Bowl, just to put it to that, was Super Bowl XVI, the Niners' first one. And, you know, the amount of media coverage, I mean, it's...

versus Z, obviously, and a different media. So it's like, okay, what's around it? Even media day, 10 years ago, you still on Tuesday were in the stadium interviewing the guys. Right. Now it's Caligula or whatever they have on Monday. And it's okay. 10, 12 years ago, I did the draft. Well, I did 35 of them, which doesn't make me good or bad, but it's whatever the number is.

And until 10 years ago, like the biggest we had seen at Radio City Musical, which is, oh my God, the history and it's 5,000 people and it's fun. And now we have half a million, you know, 250,000 people outside, maybe waiting for a name in 30 degrees. And okay, well, it'd be Green Bay. I mean, how's that going to... Well, I mean, it is April, but still. So...

But the game itself, I mean, we're not getting XO. I mean, we could do that too because the Chiefs are a perfect reason to go XO, comparing them to the great teams that repeated. That's actually fun when you think about it. It's still the last game, I think. Okay, you guys are in at 7.30 in the morning. Not like that's the worst thing. There are plenty of people that go to work at 5 a.m. No, you're in and you're going to know the game plan.

So there's still a lot of old world. Wrong term. No, but you're right. Older world. This is the way it's still set up week to week when you get there. I mean, the money and the this and the fame and this is all different. But success, they still and look, they'll play 18 games. If it's not next year, it's a year after or whatever. And they'll play in Australia and they'll play whatever. Yeah.

But at the end, but still not playing 162 games or 82 games. Every week matters. It does. You can have two off weeks and you're still okay. Yeah. But you better not have four. Yeah. And that's still, you know, the coaches go to work kind of the same way. They look at these films or whatever they're on now, you know, on Tuesday nights when the players are, you know, their day off. That really hasn't changed. So it's.

It's changing the way they do it, but not that they do it. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. So I kind of like it. There's still a... And when I see a pocket passer, which we don't... I still think of the first videos I'd see of Johnny and I. You know, like, or Namath, who was my guy, who I grew up with. And when there's a perfect pocket, and it's a pocket play, of which the minority now, right? Yeah. I see it, it's like, ooh.

Or I see an old-fashioned screen, old-fashioned screen. It gets everyone. I go back, and you're in, and you thought, oh, my. When we watch the games on Sundays like you guys do, and my favorite is when Baltimore does it to Ricard, okay, the fullback. Yeah. I always beg John Harbaugh, like, come on, this is a week. You know, give me one. And it's like the ball floats, and he's not –

He's not Lamar Jackson catching a screen pass. And then the three blockers you can see on TV. Ooh, this is set up great. And I still remember those plays. Again, it's a long answer for I'm still excited. I still think there's a lot of similarity. Yeah, baseball is – I think football still holds the most to maybe –

45 years ago if that's the right thing to say. Yeah, it's still about toughness. It's still about, yeah. They can change the game. They can make certain hits illegal. It's harder to hit the quarterback, all this stuff. But anybody that says like, oh, they're turning to flag football, try stepping out on the field. Watch the Pro Bowl. It's a very violent sport. So you mentioned the Chiefs.

You are a student of the game, historian of the game. If the Kansas City Chiefs win on Sunday and they complete the three-peat, are they the best team of all time? And if not, who do you have? Oh, yeah.

That's a tough one because we're in the world of the GOAT. Again, the team is not that some other initial GOAT. But it's never been done. It's never been done in the Super Bowl era. No. So here's the thing. And, of course, their fourth one's not that far back, if they get it. Philly is the best team they're going to play. I mean, this would be rough. We'll get to the game for them. I majored in history of college, which neither here nor there, you know, did I –

Did I go on to be a Rhodes Scholar? No. I'm saying I majored in history as well, didn't use it at all. Well, no, I do. You've got to say. Oh, I don't. Well, we're in the United States, so you've got to know who, you know, Abe Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson. I throw them in every now and then. George Washington, he's on the dollar bill. And, you know, Andrew Jackson in Mississippi, New Orleans, you'll hear him this week. I'll trot him out. So, first of all, I'd like, I've been thinking all year about,

that we might see it. But certain things had to happen for them to get to this place. Last year, they won for the first time, but they beat Baltimore, Buffalo, and then Baltimore on the road. I don't think their defense is quite as good as last year. They would probably admit that and say that. It's still better than the one that won the first time. Yep. But their offense was better than it. Their passing game was better. I think...

And they also knew that they did not have to beat both by working their tail off and blocking field goals and having the Raiders fumble the snap and doinking it in off the upright. And the size 15 shoe on Baltimore with the size 13 foot. I mean, we could go on and on and on. Oh, they're lucky to win. Well, all that got them home.

And they did not have to play both Baltimore and Buffalo. I don't know that they could have gotten through the two of them on the road like last year. That sounds like I'm saying they wouldn't have won. No, but you're right. I don't know that they would have. Yeah. So are they the best team of all time? The fact that you won three and Pittsburgh won two, but four and six years, I still look to them. But then again, that's 50. You know, I was young and football was different and

The difference, well, because Mahomes is constant. The coach is constant. I mean, I really haven't thought about this. That question would be great. Yeah, because it is history. Chelsea's the same. Chris Jones. Yeah, Chris Jones. But there are not a lot of others. Whereas Pittsburgh, although that was two and then not, and then four and six years, you didn't change rosters because you couldn't. Right. They played until they were almost too old. Right. Because other than the draft, you're not – there's not –

Where are we getting players? So guys who are in their 12th and 13th year, I mean, the Steelers were kind of 78 Steelers for one year. It kind of come to mind. So best team, meaning in a five or six, seven year span or best single team. Cause the chiefs might say we've had the offense that won the first one, which remember they trailed by 10 in the fourth quarter of San Francisco or whatever it was 11. It was 10, I think, right. 10, but they had,

younger Mahomes, younger Kelsey, not necessarily better, actually not probably, but still them, Tyreek Hill, um,

And Sammy Watkins, they, last year, they couldn't catch the ball. I mean, right? Until they had to. Yeah. Right. Until they flipped it. So, I'm taking a long time because I want to give you, so the fact that they would win three in a row, does that put them ahead of any other three-year span? It's such a funny question, too, because, like you said, this individual team, you could make the argument that the 16-0 Patriots were a better team than these Kansas City Chiefs.

But look who's got the opportunity to win three in a row. Correct. And it's just going back. You know how hard it is to get back up because it's never happened. There's been great teams. Cowboys won back-to-back. The Patriots won back-to-back. There's these great teams in the history of the NFL that

But to be able to get back off the mat again and put together this season, it's incredible. It is. As you guys know, no one's ever made it back to the Super Bowl. Super Bowl, yeah. I mean, you would think one of them would have, but a lot of times they ran into a team that was going to win the Super Bowl. Right. Like Miami, that's going way back. Well, that was the Sea of Hands, excuse me. Pittsburgh got beat by Oakland one of the times, and then Oakland won that first Super Bowl. So, yeah.

Because they're not blowing teams away, the easy argument would be, well, wait a minute. Did you see those Patriots? Except they don't have a championship, so they almost eliminate themselves in the last minute, I guess, in this discussion, although they were great. The Bears of 85, which is for a one-year team, that was like, whoa, obviously. The 49er team, they went 15-1 the year before that. More recently, New England. What would I say their best...

Well, their most wow team, because they scored 50 every week, was the 07, right? But their best team of the run was 04. Of those three and four years. It was 04. They had a big running back. They had Corey Dillon, which they did not have the other two years in 01 and 03.

And Brady was better, you know, than he was in 01, although hard to get much better than clutch, et cetera. Sounds like I'm dancing around the ants because I don't know one year team. It's hard to. But yet. OK, the totality of it. But here's the thing. Yeah. Actually, we should throw that all out the window and say the following. No team ever even made it back to the Super Bowl. And they've lost one game since Christmas that they played everybody.

It's pretty insane. So if you just say that, you don't care if it's 50 to 3. Yeah. I don't know. Do you think it would be? How about not using the word best, the greatest? Yeah.

I think it's – and Andy, obviously there's a lot of parts to a football team, but I think it puts Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes specifically at a different level because of that, just the accomplishment that has never been done. And we know how hard it is to get back there. So if they do it, it's going to be one of those, wow, we probably won't see this ever again.

I don't think we will. It's just because of the way, you know, it's been the longest run, 20 years from New England. We've never waited this long. You know, with the way rosters shift, like in the 70s, they didn't change. So if you were Pittsburgh, you, well, you're also playing Oakland and Miami, but you know what I'm saying. They were very...

I don't think we would see it again, at least in my lifetime. You guys are young. I mean, you just turned 40. I mean, I have socks older than both of you, okay? It does rain in the basement. It gets wet. You have to back up. But I'm not – of this run – and they haven't beaten Philadelphia yet either, by the way. Right.

Their defense of this run was the best last year because they had Snead in addition to McDuffie. Although those young ones have gotten better. So when Chris Jones takes three guys, Carl Loftus and Leo Chanel. Hasn't lost the playoff game. Chanel number five, good perfume. Badger hasn't lost the playoff game.

Those guys drafted in 2022 have not lost a playoff game. Yeah, that's crazy. It's pretty insane. When you say that. And by the way, Mahomes is 17-3 in the playoffs. That's crazy. Bart Starr was 9-1.

Mahomes is next in percentage. Nine and one. He lost the first one, by the way, and won the other nine. I wonder what Brady's going to say during the game if the Chiefs win and if they win convincingly. Do you think Brady's going to take a moment and almost put Mahomes in his place historically? Is he going to want to do that? I think so. I don't think Tom is so, wait a minute, nobody's approaching me. I know Tom some. Have I talked to him this year? Really not. But if we'd see each other, we would. But go back to 0-1.

I think Tom always felt embarrassed that he was put prematurely ahead of Joe Montana, if you just want to say one. But Joe was his hero, right? He grew up in the Bay Area. So Tom lived it from the other side. I don't think he's going to be, well, nobody's approaching me. I don't see that in Tom. What would be the purpose? It's a good question.

I think what he would say is the kind of stuff that Teddy Bruschi says week in and week out on our morning show was a really good show they had this year. I mean, in my old show, but I have nothing to do with it. I mean, I did a few interviews, and I got a piece Sunday on the other eight teams who tried to three-peat him what happened to him. I already did that, but we'll see. Hopefully it runs. I don't know. But I recorded it. But I don't think –

The fact that they find a way to win and they expect it to win and maybe the backup left guard also expects, so he's in there in the fourth quarter. We don't even know if it's going to be Patrick or if it's going to be we're going to block a kick. We expect to win. Yeah. And we expect the other team maybe to make a mental error somewhere. Somewhere. Change their game plan a little bit. Just a little, which...

Sometimes, oh, they changed at the last drive. They didn't suspect that they won. Yeah, but every time. Look at the championship games against the Chiefs. Buffalo played great. Yeah. That catch with Kincaid, he's getting tough play, okay? But another call. Did he make it? Forget it. But did...

And we're always cook on the last series. I know. Again, but I don't want to say how foolish are you. It's not for me to say. Yeah. It's just, we worked out. We said it. Baltimore gave up the run pre-Derek Henry last year a little early. Yep. In retrospect, it was only a 10-point game. Yep. A little early. I'm not saying that that makes Sean or John or their offensive coordinators. I'm not saying it's just, but sometimes we're going to make a change because, you know,

And Spags was ready for that. Yeah. And it's also the testament to the Chiefs' greatness is they make teams panic a little. You know, where they will do something different because they're like, we're playing the Chiefs. We can't make mistakes. And then they get you in that, like, the Baltimore game last year, the AFC Championship game. I thought the Ravens panicked, you know? I think so. The Bills not so much. No, the Bills not so much. The Bills, I think there was a couple plays and the few wrinkles that Spags put in, that Andy Reid put in.

that's sometimes the difference. That's why the game is so much fun to watch because you just don't know what's going to happen. Which leads us to the thing, and I'm not trying to lead the witness here. I mean, you guys are interviewing me, but mistakes. Philly in the playoffs is plus 10. Yeah. Yeah.

Chiefs are actually minus one, which doesn't mean anything, but it took the Chiefs all year to get a plus, which, again, defies, but you didn't lose any games. So Philly comes in, I would think, pretty darn confident that we're not going to make mistakes.

No. I mean, because they have not. I mean, by the way, they've lost one game since October 1st. Yeah, they've lost one. They have the Bucs game week four. September. September was the last time they lost a game that Jalen Hurts finished. Correct. The whole game. Very good. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. I mean, their defense is lights out. And Vic Fangio's lights out. Do you want to give us your pick?

Let me say the biggest thing in the game that obviously Saquon Barkley plays for the Eagles and he ran for 2,000 yards. By the way, in the playoffs, 205, one, you know, he averages whatever it is, six point seven yards a carry. The line, oh, he's hurt the center. No problem. Now, I find this the most intriguing part of this game.

Look, Steve Spagnuolo has been around a long time. Andy's been around a long time. They all have a hand in the defensive game plan of the Spags. You haven't seen game plans to show back to, not that we're going back to the 40s or the 50s and 60s with Jim Brown or even, you know, the running backs. Where, ooh, is it 2000 or in Henry's case, 1900 yard back?

It's been 10 years since Adrian Peterson. Like, somebody like, whoa. Yeah. Okay, well, if their quarterback plays great, then God bless you. You're going to beat us. Here's a game plan. It's not, oh, they have a good passing attack, too. They like to go to you. The other team likes to go to you. I get it. But, okay, this is a different – how do you – and they play good running backs. They're running backs that are good, but not this good. Right. With this good of lines.

what kind of game plan are we going to see? And the three of us aren't going to be smart in the way you guys might be. I'm not going to be smart enough on TV or I'll be at the game, but would you at least see, oh, they're playing this linebacker to come up and chip. I don't, during the game, I'm not that smart. So, but how does it turn out? Is there a number that you got to keep him to? I don't think that's the case. Like,

When Buffalo beat Henry, he was under 90, right? 85, 86, 84, whatever it was. So, okay. But if he gets 120, which, by the way, is not a lot to ask, is that enough...

to tip it that we haven't made game plans like this. Yeah. Not with my team. I, I find that, I find that interesting as hell. Yeah. I think it matters a lot how he gets that 120. So he gets, you know, he breaks off a 70 yard run in the first quarter, scores a touchdown. Yeah.

kind of bottom them up a little bit after halftime. I think, yeah, the Chiefs should be able to win a game like that. But if it's just constant, you know, he's breaking off nine, ten-yard runs. They're getting in the fourth and shorts and third and shorts when you know it's going to work. Yeah. And I also feel like if the Chiefs win and the defense shows up and there's, you know, a couple splash plays here and there like we've seen from the Chiefs,

Spagnuolo should be a Hall of Famer as a coordinator. Absolutely. I know they don't do that for just coordinators. You have to be a head coach. But if you're the D.C. for a team that wins three Super Bowls in a row, in large part because you dial the right things up at the right times, put that man in the Hall of Fame. Well, he's done it. Had Bill Belichick never been a head coach, which is a big if now, of course, but...

He already, you know, was on that path himself with the Giants game plans against Buffalo. You know, we're going to – Thurman Thomas, they're not going to – we're going to hammer every receiver. And if Thurman Thomas gets 190 yards, which about he did in about 19 minutes or whenever they had the ball. But I agree with that. I mean, that's a – why can't they? Putter never got in. Duh. Ray Guy was great. You know what? He's now the only one. Like, there's others. There's others, yeah. And –

I agree with that. It's just different from a football. Like no one's really, because the running back is like, oh, we remember that running backs are good. Yeah, this year especially. Right? Yeah, it's been a really cool shift to watch because it's, you know, a lot of the two high safeties and being like, all right, you got to beat us with, you know, going down the field 10-yard drives. And now running backs are the light boxes. Running backs have had a resurgence this year. It's been fun. Yeah. I like it.

And, of course, the Eagles love run blocking. Do they pass block right now? Hurts threw the ball great that last game. He did. Of course, a lot of short fields they had. I mean, so what? I went back to the Super Bowl two years ago. It doesn't make me a genius. We can all look it up, right? You know, Hurts was, we remember, great. He was incredible, yeah. He was better than he's played since, right? So the receivers are the same three.

One caught seven, and I'm going to forget whether that was the Slim Reaper or it was A.J. Brennan. It might have been Smith, Brown, and Goddard. I think it was 7-6-6 catching. Supposing they do that again? Yeah. While Barkley runs for just a pedestrian 110 and Hurts runs a little. You know, let's see what happens. Now, what is Fangio? Okay. So Kelsey caught a ton against Houston. If we just look at the playoffs.

He had it off your 97 catches. Just stop. Okay? Houston, he caught a ton, right? Yeah. Buffalo, I think two? Yeah. They kind of took him away. So where does this go? Is this six? And what are the six? And who then on the Chiefs beats them? And we know what the answer is going to be in a minute. But what receiver? They're kind of, the way they've evolved this year, especially with Hollywood out and he's back, but we'll see.

Rice out and they were cultivating him. And if Kelsey isn't, oh my God, we can't cover him. And I think Philly's pretty good at all levels. So I'll give you a prop. Oh, I like it. Maybe not the first one because we were on it. You nailed it last year. Yeah, last year. And he didn't score first, but he scored, which is a great prop. He caught the ball. Yeah. I like where you're going. I like it.

I love it. It would be plays inside red zone and maybe what they call the inner red zone, or there's another name for it. Okay, you'd be at the 12. Yeah, the goal line, yeah. DeAndre Hopkins. Yep. Because can he get open the way he used to on a 40-yard pattern? Maybe not. He still could. He's DeAndre Hopkins.

Still tall with big hands. So what do we see down there from the 12, from the 7? We haven't seen it yet. There's, I think, if that's the sort of game that the Eagles are going to give them kind of, you know, dink and dunk plays and the Chiefs are going to trust themselves not to turn it over. Okay, now we're at the 7.

We're going to eat three guys on Kelsey. Yeah. Duh. Right? And then, well, that leaves Hopkins up here. That's my kind of thought. I love it. I love it. DeAndre Hopkins has been such a good player for such a long time, and he's played on some terrible teams. He's had some really bad years in his career just in terms of

having to show up every day and and still you know he's still always been a professional but in some situations where it was a little bit harder to do this has got to be like he is so focused on this game this is what he's worked for this is why he's he's done it all these years and he finally gets a chance he's a little bit older he can still catch the ball he gets the hell out of the ball i like that pick a lot i also like a touch shot not necessarily i love i love the pick um

I also like on Philly. I like Goddard. Love it. He's underrated. He's leading their team in receiving yards in these playoffs. Whose birthday is it next? He's just been an absolute beast. Saquon's birthday. It's Saquon's birthday. Did you know that? On the Super Bowl? On the Super Bowl, yeah. And Cooper Djean. By the way, how did Howie Roseman draft the last few years? Yeah.

Those two DBs, the kid from Toledo. Mitchell, yeah. Mitchell, and then Carter and the guys up front, either two years ago or three. They've remade that defense. There's not a weak bond trade. But I like where you're going with Goddard, too. He's...

They were a better passing offense than they've been in December, you know, with him back, right? Yeah, I bet all his props the last three games is just do it again this season. He kind of turned around down in New Orleans on that one breakaway run that he had, too. That game was not in hand. They looked like they might lose that one, and the season was kind of shaky. What, early in the year? Yeah, he was making some weird decisions. That was a moment that kind of shifted the entire season around for him. That's a good call, especially since—

They reminded me after they won there, you know, we never win in New Orleans. Yeah, I mean, you could look it up. I'm sure they'd want to. But he goes, we never win. And the Saints had scored 91 points in two weeks. We barely remember that team, right? Then what happened? Well, they got in their own way. But that was a big win. Do you know that? How about this is an interesting one. I just thought of this.

The first game of the year was Chiefs, right, in Baltimore, Thursday. Second game of the year was in Brazil, Philly. They're still playing. Yep. They're still playing. Yeah. That's a lot of football. That's a lot of football. It's a long season. I like where you went on the touchdown of Goddard. Yeah. I like that. I like our – I'm betting all the Goddard props as well. Yards, catches. It's going to be a big day for Goddard. Big day. He's a big guy. Good hands. They – You know –

There's just a lot to see. And then the other thing I would say, back to Spags for a minute.

So the blitz that he called that then Josh had to throw, it made it catchable, but he didn't – it was a tough play, right? He didn't – now, McDuffie didn't get through, but that allowed Karloff to get through. Just like the one late in the Super Bowl regulation last year that McDuffie did come through. Purdy had to throw it in the dirt, and they kicked a field goal. Other than, like, maybe go ahead by – and then the Chiefs only got a field goal at the end of the Senate in overtime. It's not the same blitz, but it was –

But when is it coming? Yeah. When is it coming? And what is it coming? Yeah. You know, Vic doesn't, he doesn't blitz as much. By the way, as soon as we say that, he might. Yeah. But he sends one. So that's fine. Because that front, so you send four on the one. It leaves him pretty good coverage. Yeah. But the reason, okay. So I think the Chiefs win because the guy I call, he likes this.

The electric eel. That's Mahomes. When he runs, he slithers. You know what I mean? It's not a run. Oh, it's an RPO and we're rolling out with Patrick. The two runs against San Francisco after we hurt the ankle. The run last year late. By the way, fourth and one. You're down by three. You get stopped. See you later. Congratulations, 49ers. Yeah.

Not four yards. It wasn't even up. No. But he walked up to the line slowly, and I asked him, so, I mean, did it occur to you that, you know, like the game's over? If, for example, you even bobbled the snap and you're trying to run behind. Take one false step. Yeah. He's like, no, I knew we had to convert it, and we would. Like, really? Like, that's quite an answer. Yeah. It'd be an answer like I would get from Tom or from Joe Montana. Yeah. So...

You know, you look at stats, you know, Mahomes six for 42, which is good to win. And it's always, okay, you got a lot. A slither for those five extra yards. Oh, it is a first down, even though it's third and 12. Yeah. He got 14, not eight. And we can now punt them in the corner. Yeah. It's just.

It is. It's crazy. No one looks at him as his running because he's not Lamar. He's not Josh. He's not. Yeah. Name your guy, right? But when the playoffs come, he makes those big plays. It's so much fun to watch. Now, that being said, Philly's going, you're not giving us our due because I think they have the least questions, maybe even less questions than the Chiefs of any team in football. Yeah, top to bottom, their roster lights out.

So wait, what was the score? Well, the score that I'm going to print, but for your show, I'm changing it. Because that's what we do. We need the Schwamm score. Because you got on me last year. So the one that you'll read. Go ahead. I've told you. It's because when I was a kid and I was watching and you would do the scores and I'd be like, what is that score? And then I'd see the little arrow next to it and that's like, oh, okay, point spreads. Okay. This makes sense. Oh, I loved it. The Rams were playing Brett Favre. I had like 85-82. Yeah.

But somebody covered and I had the arrow. What is he, an idiot? I'm telling you a lot of points, okay? Don't get so literal. Three to two I used once a long time ago. Because why not? A running knife. So you'll see in print, because I wrote a thing, but it won't be out until Friday. This show will probably run before. So you'll see 2724 Kansas City. You'll see it. But for this show, we're going to go

Because if you have these squares, you're upset, really. 29-26, right? Same spread. Oh, I like it. You know, 29-26 Chiefs. I somehow think that's a little high. Yeah. But...

It could be upper 20s. How do we get there? What do you guys think? How do we get to 29? Well, I hadn't got that far yet. I'm walking up here to do this show. I said, I can't give them 27, 24. I can't do that. These guys will run me out of the building. 29. Go ahead. Yeah, I have a future on the Eagles. I think my squares are two and one, which are the worst numbers possible.

I want 21. So maybe 32-31 Eagles? Anything's possible. That's a weird score. Well, that's about... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, how do you get to 29? There's got to be a safety in there somewhere. Yeah. Right? I don't know where. Or no, maybe it's 21 and then a two-point conversion. Yeah. You said 29-26. 29-26. So if it's 29, yeah, you go for two ones, but that's four touchdowns? Yeah. Now...

Elliott has missed some extra points in the Super Bowl. He's a very good kicker. He's...

A lot of the good kickers had bad years. Not only Tucker. It started hot, and then it started to... Right. And everyone started missing. But he's made all the field goals, but he's missed three extra. Maybe that's... And they have to go for... There's something in there. Yeah. So it's 29-26 Chiefs. It's maybe 26-21 Eagles. Chiefs score, and they say, hey, let's go up three instead of two. Of course. 29-26. Of course. There it is. Safety. Safety.

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I'm in the hotel, the Seahawks versus Denver and New York. It's like Thursday. And there happened to be a lot of Seahawks fans, and they know that I like them. But I picked them for the Super Bowl that year. I mean, you know, and, oh, we know you like us. You know, they're wearing the hats in great colors. The guy goes, whoa.

I made two bets, the kind of wild ones. I might have told you guys this. I said, okay, what are you... Because at that point, you're not... Ten years ago, it's not as, I'm sorry, prevalent as all the things you can bet. Now, even though they existed, right? First score, a safety. And whatever those odds were, like, okay, and...

Sure enough, the ball went over Peyton's head with 2-0. I had the Broncos in that game. It was not fun. 2-0. It was not fun. I didn't cheer once. Griffey hit a two-run homer right out of the gates for Seattle. Didn't cheer once. Then the other one was, okay, he said, I also bet, here's the odds on Denver. Remember they scored 600 and whatever points, right?

To win by 20 or more. It could have been 21, but 20 or more. What were those odds? The team scored 600 points. I put money on the Seahawks to win by 20 or more. Now let me think about your question. Okay, let me think how that could happen. Denver's going to get no points? I mean, you know, 14...

Okay, let me think about this. They're going to return an interception. There's going to be a safety, which is only two. Yeah, yeah. He goes, those are the two guys. I'd never met this guy. He was in the lobby of a hotel. He had a Seahawks ski hat on. I'm sure he was happy. A lot of money. Safety and Seahawks by 20. It was a pretty big odds that they were going to roll the Bronco. That's a hell of a bet. I was like, okay, that almost stuck in my mind. So to your point, okay, how do we get to 29 or 26? Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I'm going to bet the exact score now. I have to. You're the swamp. You're the swamp. You'll see it. I gave 27-20, but for this show. Yeah. And you're on Goddard for any score or first score. I am as well, yeah. Any score, and I'm going to do Hopkins anytime touchdown. I like that. And tails. Tails is a big one. Oh, tails. Always. Here's a nice one I'm on. It's like roulette. Tails never fails. Just go with it. No doinks.

It's a hot bet. No kidding. Two years ago, he bet no doinks. I bet no doinks in the first matchup between these two teams. Minus 1,000 were the odds on it. So I looked at it like an investment. I make 10% back if there's no doinks. There was a doink. I thought so. There was a doink. Oh, sure there was. And it was bad. But I'm simply just going to bet more this year on no doinks. The do theory. It can't happen twice. Yeah.

Lightning doesn't strike twice. Actually, it does. And they've already, the Chiefs have doinked. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I mean, so they should be good for no doinks. I would hope so. You'd think. Elliot?

Have they doinked during the season? I don't know what – the point you made about Elliott, you know, he's the most accurate field goal kicker in the history of the postseason, and he's the least accurate extra point kicker in the history of the postseason. I did not know that. I think they're 4-0 when he misses an extra point. Oh, they – well, it means they're kicking extra points. Yeah, right. See, that's how you read. Yeah, right. Okay, they scored a touchdown. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so –

I didn't know. Well, not surprising. I mean, I'm not saying he's going to have a bad... We thought Moody, you know, rookie kicker, he's kicking 57 yards or so.

No doinks. Is that the same thing? Minus 1,000. Minus 1,000. Yeah, 10% return on investment. I mean, try to find me a better investment than that overnight. So you've got to hit 10 in a row and say you've made money. That's one way to look at it. That's one way to look at it, yeah. I didn't think about it that way. I might be betting 10 times as much as I did the first time. So he's making it all back. Oh, let it ride. Oh, like a rule. Like a margale. Yeah, yeah.

I think that I found a system and a flaw in how gambling math is constructed, but in reality, I'm probably going to lose a lot of money. You're going to win this year. I like it. I want to keep that in mind when I watch it. Here's another stat. It has nothing to do with my pick because if Philly wins, I will not be surprised. I mean, I think the Chiefs are going to win because Coach Reed and Patrick Mahomes. It's not the magic thing. It's just when you've...

When you've won this many ways and you're confident that we're going to – not, oh, we're going to figure it out, then you've lost. Yeah. But, like, no, something's going to happen. The kid, the remedial, the returns a kick. You know, Tony, two years ago with the punt. Like, you're just this – so special teams. Something –

Odd is going to happen. Here's an interesting number. And again, this is no reflection on Nick Fangio. Nick. Nick Fangio, who's a great defensive coordinator. Put his pelts up there. Against the Chiefs on nine. Yeah. Now, six were head coach Denver. Yep. They weren't good. And the Miami teams. Miami last year, too. And he was the...

brought in as the consultant in the Super Bowl two years ago, which I forgot. He wasn't the coordinator. Again, this is not okay run because they're 0-9. It's just, by the way, you think he's sick and tired of that? Yeah. So maybe he does dial stuff that he doesn't normally dial at a point in the game that's just the right point. One other thought. Don't you think that Fox or whoever's doing the game, which is Fox,

You know, we've all invented the line, you know, for the first down line. But for the Eagles, you should only have it nine yards. Seriously. Right? I have a green line. Seriously. Right? Just have it because third and fourth and one, they should already be on the line. Yeah. The touchdown. Yeah. It's absolutely true. Does that make sense? Yeah. I don't know if we brought this up last time, but Chuba Hubbard,

And you called him the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Cuban Missile Crisis. That's beautiful. Was that a moment where you're like, still got it? Like, yeah, the Schwamm still got it. Because I thought that. Thank you. When I heard it, I was like, still got it. I didn't do it to be... Again, American history, so there you go. Yes, there it is. I was alive then. I was young. I was seven. I mean, I didn't, you know, Kennedy, Castro. I mean, the Cuban Missile Crisis. Quietly, the year before...

But he didn't have the year like he did this year, you know, and then they won some games and they upset a couple of teams late in the year so you could use it. The one that I still had, it was like, it came to my head in like eight seconds. I do not while I'm doing it live, but it's right there. The tube of missile crisis. And that's the way they used to come.

when I was young and had a brain, you know, like in the 80s and 90s. So you still got it. No, you still have it. Thank you. That's vintage. Everybody hits the green every now and then from 150, okay? I watched the interview with Bob Dylan. He was like, I don't have what I had when I was younger. Like, I can't just spit out songs like I used to. You can. You can still find it. Well, not as much as you guys do on your ode to me. I mean...

I'll tell you where I don't know if this was last year or this has just happened this year. So I may have told you about it, but we didn't do it on the show. I don't read Twitter. I don't even know how to go, you know, whatever. But sometimes it's stuff flows to me and I see it.

Can you believe Chris Berman is ripping off those two guys? I've read it just a few times. No, it's an ode. It's like, okay. The other one that we laugh at is we do Mount Rushmore season in the summer, and it's an ode to our fans who are the most loyal fans, but people saying whenever anyone else does Mount Rushmore season, they're like, you're ripping off part of my take. It's like, guys...

We didn't invent this. This is not – we're just doing something in the summer when you got nothing to talk about. Good. That's smart. That's smart. You still got it. It's our loyal fans. No, and they want your take on it, obviously. Mount Rushmore is not easy. As a matter of fact, I went to the Seattle camp this summer. I'm close with the Seahawks. I like them. They had a nice year. Coach McDonald will be good. They're going to be okay. So –

They asked me for their in-house, and I think they put it on somewhere. I don't know. I really wouldn't prepare. Who are the Mount Rushmore for the Seahawks? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How about Mount Rainier? Can we go with Mount Rainier, please? And then I gave them the Steve Largent Supreme Cortez Kennedy and Big Walt Jones and whoever else I said. But yeah.

No, that's yours. Take it. Even though, you know, they haven't put a new one up there since Teddy. Yeah. Roosevelt. Yeah. Well, there's some. Never mind. There's some rumbling that, never mind. I don't want to go there. I don't want to give it any. Jimmy Carter? Maybe Jimmy Carter? I don't know. Somebody who's in now. Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore. Come on. What do, do you do a fastest two minutes after the Super Bowl?

No, no, no, no, no. I do primetime after the Super Bowl. So you'll see me like we did championship on ESPN, the regular. And it's just interesting. People go, oh my God. No, I've been doing primetime for like six years now. Plus I understand it's...

$12.99 a month or whatever it is. I make no money off it. Listen, I watch it because I have ESPN+. I got to watch every game. Well, I appreciate it, but it's like, wow. Oh, look who just walked in. Who do we got here? Another Super Bowl legend. Well, I don't know if I'm one. Sit right there. He's a podcaster. Sit right there. He's a podcaster. Sit right there. Sit right there. Sit right there. At the diner. Sit there. Jules, sit in the seat. Talk into the mic, Jules.

What's up? What's happening? How you been? I get up, but this couch is deep. What's up, buddy? What's up? What's up, man? Good to see you wearing a shirt. Sit right down. See, I'm overdressed for this. He's a big-time AWL. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm on stage at the Boston Garden. I mean, you remember that? Yeah. You and me and Teddy and Flutie. We had some good times. Boston, that was... We were at the Espy's.

We were literally at the Espy's in 2011, I believe. Unknown Julian Edelman. Unknown. We went out to dinner. We went post somewhere. We went to the little diner over there in the mid-Wilshire. And I was telling them, literally...

You gotta go on this show. Pardon my take, these guys pretty much designed a show off of you. And I went, no, you're gonna get too many times. I was probably a little hammered going a little differently. Wait, this was what year? This was 2011. That's too early. 2012 then. No, 16 is when we started. Way off. Hold on. Way off. Let me give you a broadcasting tip.

Because I can still do that for you. Receiving you got. Catches and Super Bowls you got.

Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good story. If you tell me it's 2012, it's 2012. But it was 2016, I think. 2016. That's exactly what you were saying to me earlier. Hey, if you fly out to L.A., hey, what happened to the telephone? Can I just do it on the phone? I know. But my kids are in L.A., so it'll happen. It'll happen. My kids with little grandsons, they're out there. It's crazy that you came in here, Jules, because Chris was just telling us a second ago how if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl,

Far and away the best team of all time. I did not say that. No close second. They wanted to goad me into it. However, what's your take on it? Look, this is something that's never been done. And if they go out and win this game, there's no reason you can't argue them to be the greatest football team of all time. Not only did they only lose two games this year.

They're back-to-back Super Bowl champs. And I've been in the situation when you win one Super Bowl and you go back to the next one. You're America's Most Wanted every freaking week. Everyone is literally playing their best game against you. Dogshit teams.

That aren't supposed to play good. Play good against you. This team is battle-tested. If this is a close game, I mean, they're going to be the best football team of all time probably. Which is because they've won in various ways. Various ways. You know. Yeah. I mean, some of the Patriot teams won by 50 all the time, but when you win in the odd ways. It's the odd ways, but they've also won so much where you put yourself in a situation where you're not thinking about –

you're thinking about what do we have to do to win this game? What do we have to do to have one more point than this team? The Rolex situation where the time's more important than the ball are the points. All these little situations that we've all heard through the Patriots things and all that. Now, like you're watching it firsthand with the Kansas City Chiefs who dominate in all those situations may not have an electric guy.

may not have someone that's going to blow the top off, but they know how to execute when it's a high-pressure situation in those situations. It's the AFC Championship game that we just watched with the Bills where we were sitting in the gambling cave being like, you know, it's third and nine. We're like, oh, are they going to kick a field goal here? Are they going to punt? And then I had to stop myself and be like, what am I talking about? They're going to convert this. I got to go, though. I'm going to do Gruden, guys. I'm sorry. Oh, yes. Well, he can wait for me. I don't want to steal yours, but this is you. I'm going to do one thing.

So you were still kind of relatively unknown. It was Boston after the marathon thing. Yeah, yeah. Thing. Right. Awful. Awful. And Boston Garden had what Masters Court Garden did like after, you know, 9-11. And all the great, you know, Stephen Tyler and...

I mean, James Taylor. Backstreet Boys. Or no, New Kids on the Block were there. I mean, Buffett even showed. John Denver. It was great. I mean, we could go on and on and on. So they had four of us, sports, to intro. We introduced Carole King and James Taylor. James Taylor, too. So we had, here's where history came in for me. So Julian was up there. Doug Flutie. Flutes. Brew. Brewski. Teddy. Teddy.

And I said, okay, they did all the Boston stuff. Where am I going to go? I'm last. I went back to the Revolutionary War. I said, you know, we didn't fire until we saw the white in their eyes. We didn't. I made you in history down the road in Rhode Island. Remember that? I remember like yesterday. And he was like, oh, my God. And I went, you know, Paul Revere, he did one lantern and he was off. John Hancock was buried right down the street. I was all in the damn, I was in it.

You're a media mogul. Yeah, right. I can't believe. I'm not shocked, pal. No way. All day. I just want to say hi. You did say hi. I said you got to go check these guys out. All right, boys. Yeah, yeah. All right. I'll see you. See you, Jules. What a fucking year for you. Pretty cool, right? Yeah. Yes. I forgot that. I got to enjoy football season for the first time in a long time. I should have done. Yes. And it's funny.

You got an owner. You got a general manager. You got a coach. You got a quarterback. All at the same time. And I haven't had any of those. And then what? You saw it. Yeah. And a franchise, it's your team, but a franchise that there's a lot to hang on, but not lately. Right. And it's cool. For football, somebody asked me, what do you think the best coaching job of the ones that were available this year? And I said, well, I'm not analyzing football.

What their cap is, I'm not analyzing the draft numbers, so there might be different answers. But similar to yours, if you can hit in Chicago, if you can hit, you know. If you can hit, now that's a big hit. Every team in the division won 11 games. I know. But if you can hit there. So Washington was if you can hit.

Yeah. That was great. I like to remind people, too, about Joe Gibbs because I feel like people don't talk about the job Joe Gibbs did in the 80s and early 90s enough. The fact that he won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks and three different running backs is crazy. I don't think we're ever going to see that again. No. No, I don't see it. I mean, the only constant, there was a couple of changes in the Hawks, but the Hawks were...

I mean, Russ Grimm and Bostic. I mean, there were a couple of changes. LeShea was late. He wasn't on the first team. But they were – you're right. Three different quarterbacks? It's pretty crazy. None of – well, Doug and what he accomplished just did the big picture. I knew him a long time. But they were all good. I mean, Joe, Diceman, and then Mark Rippon, they were all good. It's not like they won the Super Bowl, but they weren't. Yeah.

But they're not Hall of Fame. Doug could be for reasons why it's obvious, right? But Joe Gibbs is great. I mean, a great coach. And well, in this case, different quarterbacks. But you got one now. This kid, you know what? I knew you had one. Actually, Dan Quinn and I have known each other a long time. I don't want to misrepresent that. I talk to him all the time. But when we talk, we talk a while. And I said, your first game of the year, you got people at Tampa, right? Was that the first game?

He got hit hard in the second quarter, third quarter. I remember the helmet was off. He got hit hard, like welcome to the NFL type of hit. And a smile on his face. And I'm watching TV. We watched the eight games, so we don't even hear any of the audio. I'm just, okay. He loves this. Not loves getting hit hard, but he loves this. It was my...

Dan goes, I remember that pretty clearly. That's the guy we saw in August. That's the guy we saw, you know, in minicamp and, you know, whenever he signed in June or whatever. Yeah. You got somebody now. It's fun. Isn't it fun? The only thing you miss is the stands that used to move on RFK. Right. So we just, I think we got that land back. I heard. I think we're going to develop that RFK too. RFK Junior is what some people call it. Don't do that. Jay,

James, I could be taking these shots. And then everybody will have different health. But no, I think they're going to get that land back. And ideally, it would be cool if there was a section of the stadium that was like on hydraulics. Like a roller coaster. That could bounce if you jumped on it. Like, hey, you're going to the springy part of the stadium. Here's your waiver to sign. Make that thing shake again. I mean, those fans there. I was at a couple of those championship games, the 82 and the 83.

It was in 83. They beat San Francisco, but lost to the Super Bowl. So, I mean, it was like, whoa. I was young then covering that. I was like, look at these stands. They're moving and they're singing Hail to the Redskins at the time. You know, it's like, this is good. It's good. It's like Detroit. It's good that they were good. And they'll be good next year. And Buffalo. So what's going to happen next year?

Somehow, unless the Bills have a rough year, which I think they'll be better, they came farther than a lot of people thought in August. Yeah, it's a rebuild year. Trust me. Somehow, they will not be on the path of Kansas City in the playoffs. Like, I don't know how. How do we get to 29? I don't know. I'm not going to predict. But somehow, it won't something, and they're not going to see him. Not that they couldn't beat him.

Somehow. That'd be nice. Remember that we said it here. It's just, I mean, they, you know, Tom Brady was, excuse me, Peyton was 0-2 against, it seemed like 0-10 against Manning was 0-10 against Brady in the playoffs. Really 0-2. He ended up 3-2.

Now it's 0-4, and it's not about who beats who, but anyway, we're digressing because we're talking football. I do have a question I don't think we've ever asked you before. What is the best football game you've ever seen? So I've been fortunate enough. So let me say that I don't go to that many because of all the Sunday shows. So in the 80s and sometimes Monday night games, I would go until I was doing all this stuff. So...

One, you know, I'm at all the Super Bowls. So we could pick any of like 10, right? So you want to eliminate them for a moment while I do this? Sure. I was at the Monday night game that Marino beat the 85 Bears. Oh, because they were 12-0. And they were the Bears. I mean, in one year, they were the Bears. Get you in, McMahon. And I don't have to tell you. I mean, I'll tell you my story from that game.

So I did the show Sunday. I mean, that's like, again, we're doing football. We're not in a coal mine, right? But, you know, you go in the building about 7 and you leave at 12, 30 at night and you go home and then take a 6 o'clock plane to go to Miami because you're going to see the game of the year. I think it's still the highest rated Monday night game of all time because the ratings were different then anyway, right? And it's in the Orange Bowl.

which say what you want rickety it's the orange bowl okay and hanging up to get that do my pre-game interviews including coach shula he always gave me one not sure why but he did like at 605 sports center he would be there and i got up something to eat and came back down and i'm about 15 minutes before the game they started nine o'clock eastern then so it was late but you know you come down

It's under the orange bulb. It's like a light, like a carpenter's light, like hanging like a single light bulb as you walk under the stairs. It's like, are you kidding me? This is the orange. And then you go out. And there's the palm trees. It's early December. And you've come from Connecticut. It's nice. And there are the bears over there. But I come out on the dolphin side. And to me, Shula's jaw was out a little farther at 845. And I looked down the bench. I come out.

And I see Larry Zonka. I see Jim Kick. I see Paul Warfield. I see, oh, these guys are friends of mine. I see Larry Little. You know, and a couple others. Nick, I'm sure, was there, Bonacani. And I went, oh, okay. Oh, I see what this is. They're all here. All those guys from the 72 Dolphins. The Bears are not winning this game. I don't know how that's going to go.

And they didn't. And that was really Marino's finest hour because he never went to this other than the Super Bowl that they lost to Montana. The other one I'll give because it might bring us back to this. I know you want to run out and I mean, you know, you got other people, but it brings us to New Orleans. The game that reopened after Katrina. Yeah. So they hadn't played in a year and a half. Right. Katrina was a was a staging area.

for the homeless. I mean, they had 10,000 cots or whatever the number is. I may have my facts wrong. And then they didn't even open for like three games. So it was like late September was their first game. It was a Monday night game, which we had that year in 06. It was Atlanta. Yeah.

And, you know, it was unbelievable. People were hugging and crying in the stands like, you made it. Like, you know, season tickets. You're friends with them, but you don't even know where they live. Like, you don't know, hey, did you make it? You don't know their phone number. You're like a family at these games. And we did the pit. You know, we came out to everybody. And I was the last one. Steve Young was on the set, Tommy, et cetera. And they came to me, and you could just feel it.

and what it meant to these people here in New Orleans. I'm tearing because sports still does that to me. It was incredible, yeah. And I looked in the camera and I said, the 78 Steelers would not win here tonight. No way. You can look that up. And Steve Gleason, and we know his story. And he's topical this week. He's still doing charity events. He and his wife, Michelle. And I'm going to go to one tomorrow. And he blocked the kick. I've never heard any play so loud. I mean...

Are you kidding me? And that's New Orleans. It reminds us of what a team can be to a community. It was a September game. Those two is regular season. Super Bowl, we could debate for a whole show, and I wouldn't want to just throw a couple out. You didn't just say the catch. You were there. I didn't get there yet. Yeah, I was going regular season. Those are the two regular season games. Can we go to Kleenex? Yeah, I'm cheering on that, too. I mean, it is. It really is. The catch would be...

It kind of was at the beginning of my career. And as it turned out, the beginning of my association with the 49ers, which was one of the most, that and the Bills. The Niners of the 80s and the Bills of the 90s. I didn't get into it to be a jock sniffer, trust me. But I was their age. I picked them every week. I was doing the 2.30 in the morning show, which is 11.30 out there. I went to cover the championship game. Little Chris Berman, I'm 20, whatever, six, seven years old, whatever, 20.

And one of the veterans, Charlie Young, said, oh, you're the Swami, right? Yeah. You've been picking us every week, right? Yeah. I'll have everybody lined up for you. 11 players lined up to do an interview from Joe Montana to...

You know, Jack Reynolds was a middle linebacker then. It was... So, yeah, I was getting there. I was kind of eliminating the playoffs. Oh, you're going to give me a tissue? I need it. I mean, I'm happy... And I cry at the Lion King. No, no. This is our... The Gleason one is fantastic. And by the way, Dwight died of ALS. Yeah, ALS. I didn't mean to jump in on it. My mother-in-law passed away from ALS. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, it's a horrific disease. But the...

The point of the Saints one, which I love, is just, you're right. What sports mean for a city and a community, you can't get it anywhere else. And that's why we love this game. That's why we watch this game. It's beautiful. And the city's been through a lot. You know, you can see the effects still. But they know how to throw a party. I mean, they even move Mardi Gras kind of, sort of a week, right? Like, kind of, sort of? So it's like a three-week party. Yeah, yeah. Well, Schwamm...

You're the best. This is our favorite. I'm so happy this has become a tradition.

Next year, we got to do it again. Next year will be four, I believe, in a row. Five, I think. Because we're two in Connecticut. That's right, five. One in your place. Yeah. I love the cookbook, too. Yep. Donnie's cookbook. Donnie, right? So yeah, this is year four. It's seriously something we look forward to. In San Francisco. I mean, now you're... Yeah. That's a home. Yeah, that's... Maybe we'll go to House of Prime Rib. Well, we could go anywhere. We could go to the Buena Vista, where they invented the Irish coffee. Okay. Now, you talk about important...

The light bulb was one thing. But the Irish coffee is another thing, right? They didn't invent that in Ireland? Huh? The Irish coffee? Yeah. Well, at least in our... Look, they claim they invented it. You know, that's smart. Yeah. Louie's Lunch in New Haven claims they invented the hamburger. We're going with it. Okay? So, listen, I'm proud of what you guys have stood for. I don't want to come and blow smoke, you know, but you know that I... I mean, this is not...

You guys love football. That makes it... That's 80% of the battle before you even open up your mouth on any of your shows. You know pro football. That's another... Now, I'm Yogi. I'm going to run out of the percentages. You know that 90% of the game is mental. The other half is physical. So... But you love pro football. You know pro football. And you're inquisitive about pro football. But you have opinions that are... Hmm. Okay. I get how you got there. You're divided. I disagree. And...

That's hard to convince people that that's what you're about until they listen all the time. Yeah, we love you. Greatest to ever do it. Yeah, and we really hope you understand how much you mean to us and how much this means to us. Because we've done a lot of stuff. We've been doing the show for nine years, and there's a lot of pinch-me things, but I think this is at the top of the list of, hey, every year we get to sit down with the Schwamm right before the Super Bowl. It's awesome. I wouldn't miss it for the world because it –

The Grand Chat and the Rock Hunter. And we're in New Orleans, so we can speak a little French. Yeah, we got a little French. Yeah, I think Jameis asked us, or somebody that we had on the show was like, what's the coolest thing that you guys get to do? And I was like, you know what is like the most surreal moment that I think I've ever had? Maybe the happiest that I've had related to this show.

When you texted me and Big Cat at the start of football season this year, when I woke up in the morning to a text from Chris Berman wishing me a happy football season, I was like, well, I think I'm dead, and I think that this is a simulation or something, but I'm happy with it. I finally learned 21st century technology. That's what it meant. You text two people at the same time. Yeah, but only because you guys had texted me together. I wouldn't know how to actually do that.

Damn, I'm not texting each one of these freaking guys. That's too much work at 730A Eastern. That's why you woke up. Yeah. Thanks so much. I'm glad you made time for me. We've had all different locales. Yeah. Standing invite. We're moving the next, if you go for the week, which you probably will next year. Yeah, we'll do San Francisco. So we've done...

Connecticut. We've done the Midwest, like both North and South, Chicago and New Orleans. Now we'll go San Francisco. San Francisco. We're truly global. Yeah, well, then when Goodell puts the Super Bowl in London, we'll do it over there. Don't even. You know what? Don't even. I want to put something out there, because this show can maybe help. So these international games, which are fine, you know, whatever.

I said it on the air, so it's not. And I don't know when they're scheduled yet, but Veterans Day weekend, they played in Germany two years in a row. This year it's in the Olympic Stadium, which you know with the back. NFL, do me a favor. Any other week. Germany's great. They're a great ally. It has nothing to do with it. Not Veterans Day weekend. Before you make the schedule, listen to Pardon My Take. Yes. He does. Good old listen. I said it on...

Fastest three minutes that night. Yeah, I know. I remember that. Ah, Veterans Day in Germany. Hmm. You can't misquote me, but you know what I meant. Right. Like, don't do it. Play any other week. I'm good. Bratwurst for everybody. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Oktoberfest. Yeah. Sure. I mean, there's plenty of things we could do. That's the one day. Wienerschnitzel. Free. Yeah. But not then. No, Veterans Day. I don't know.

You would think I could get that done by speaking on ESPN. This is how I think of your show. We're going to get it done. I think I'm having a show. All right. Thanks so much, Sean. Appreciate it. Okay, Fire Fest is brought to you by Morgan & Morgan. There's a reason why coffee is the first thing people reach for in the morning, just like there's a reason why Morgan & Morgan is America's largest injury law firm.

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What's your fire fest? My fire fest, we've been talking a lot about getting older and some thoughts and stuff. And yeah, just as I've gotten older. Are you golfing today? No. That's what I asked him earlier. He's like, dress for the job you want, not the job you have. You have golf today. I don't have golf today. This is a golf outfit. That's a golf outfit. Dude, they're sweatpants. Hey, question.

What does your shirt say? A polo shirt. Taylor made. Kith. Uh-huh. Okay. You're golfing today. It's fine. It's fine. Can a guy not wear a polo? Where are you playing? I'm not playing. Did you bring your sticks? No. What track you at today? No. I got invited to play. I just said no. I got to work. Wow. That's progress. Yeah. But anyway, back to my Fyre Fest. I have just come to the realization in the past year, specifically the last few months, that...

I may have some irrational confidence about my athletic ability. No. And I may not be the athlete that I am in my head. Last night we did a skills challenge, and I was quarterback. That's a sound guy. Shout out, Ian.

He's been wearing a train conductor hat all week. Yeah, he's going to have our actual Antley Super Bowl tradition to get our sound guy on the mic. Yeah, the train conductor hat is wild. It is. You walk in the room and you're like, am I at a ditty party? Yeah, I kind of like it. It's just like something different.

But I was, I got tasked with being the quarterback. I had to throw to different quarterbacks. And I put my hand up. I said, I can be QB, which is where the irrational confidence. So you tasked yourself with being quarterback? We were talking about, you know, there was five different positions. Our coach, our leader was assigned with putting people in different spots. And I said, whatever you need, coach.

And I said, I can throw. I said, I can throw. I thought that I could, you know, again, in my head, I was like, I'm an athlete. I can do anything. I'm great at everything. Need me to be a quarterback. I can be a quarterback. Easy. But you can't. That's literally my fire. Yeah, I can't. I'm not. I'm not. Would you say that? I'm not a God gifted natural athlete. If you were a coach and you had one of your players be like stepping up being like, I can be the QB.

I mean, the coach has to be like, hey, that guy wants the ball. Like, let's give him a shot. Not, hey, that guy doesn't know how to throw. Yeah, no, no blame. I'm putting all the hand up. Hank's been consistent about that. Yeah, sounds like it's just all blame on yourself. Yeah, blame on myself. And, you know, going back to the dunking thing, it's kind of the same thing. Like, I just maybe, maybe.

I've started to accept the fact that maybe not. The jury is not out yet. On the dunking? Just in general athletic ability. Maybe. I may not be as God gifted athletic genetic freak as I thought I was. You got a hole in one, like three swings either day. True. Five. But yeah. Three for 57 on throws. Yeah. It was windy. The balls were wet. But yeah, it was, it was all on me. No excuses. How big are your hands?

I got Pedro Martinez fingers. Tiny hands? No. Somebody said you had tiny hands. Yeah, you did. I didn't say that. So next time we get in a situation like that. Do it. Do it. Uh-oh. No, Hank is going up. Oh, no, he's got you beat. Well, he's also like three inches taller than me. How many inches? Yeah. So next time we are forced into a situation like this and it's like, hey.

Can you throw a football? What will your answer be? I say whatever you need me to do. Okay. So I guess that is different than what you said on Wednesday night when you said, I can quarterback. Yeah. I said, I can quarterback. I can jump. I can run. I probably couldn't do any of those things. No, actually, I think the only thing you volunteered for was quarterback. If that's how you remember it, then no. No, I have the video.

This is crazy. I mean, it's not crazy. The cat's clipped out specific parts and removed contacts and removed situations. Typically in the NFL, if the team performs bad, the quarterback is the reason why. Yeah, it goes quarterback one, then coach. That's usually where the blame goes. So the beginning of this clip is me asking Max if he could quarterback. I said no. Okay, yeah, Max said no. Can you throw? You got tight handings? Yeah.

See, that was Hank saying, I can throw. Or it was me saying, if you need me. I can throw, he says. I can throw. I just heard static. Shut up, Pete.

But no, again, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm blaming myself. And yeah, when you go three for 57 in front of the world, in front of John Gruden, who's just been roasting me ever since for putting up that performance at Pan American Stadium, it's tough. Joe Burrow came in today and he was, that first thing, John Gruden,

said to Joe Burrow was we got this guy Hank over here he went three for 57 last night what can we what can we do to help him that was tough can I just say something you do a very good John Gruden thanks man yeah that's good yeah is that got me feeling nicey all right so what where are we going forward though from here is it just like I'm I'm just not gonna like make these claims that I can do things that I my body can't you know I'm not gonna cash checks that my body can't write uh yeah yeah cool

Hank, it is growth because in the past you would say, well, I'm just not going to do any work because everything I do is wrong. In the past, I would be like, Big Cat's the coach. He's got to know me better and know that if I can be quarterback, he should have evaluated my talent and known that I'm not capable of doing that. But in the past, that's what I would have said. Now I'm just saying hand up. Wait, when you say in the past, you mean like 15 minutes ago? That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Can I do my fire fest real quick off that one? Yeah. My fire fest is... Usually PFT goes second, but if you want to... Yeah, I know, but my fire fest is that I look up to Hank and he's, you know, one of the younger members of Pardon My Take and I look up to him to be like a good athlete and I just have to come to the realization I'm just a better athlete than him at everything. That's sad. It is. That's a tough place to be. If you could have made five of me on that field and I don't think I'm a good athlete so I have at least a humble thought to it and then I go out there and I just

stun people yeah uh but i the problem is i have to just realize like if hank thinks he can do something better than me i gotta remind myself like no he can't that's a big fire fest for you because if you care about somebody so much and you believe in someone right that much and then they just disappoint you over and over and over and over and over and over again then it's like when your parents tell you like i'm not mad but i am disappointed that's the worst punishment of

Yeah, you know what? I'll be the bigger man here. It's like coaching. That's where it's like, yeah. Hand up. Hand up. Hank just sucks at all sports, and I'm better than him at it. Like, hand up. But, yeah, you still put me in the number one position. Well, I'll tell you what. My fire friends, that was the last time I'll take Hank's advice on his own athletic ability. It was, again, whatever. Hand up on me. No, hand up. Old me would have been like, big cat, did you ask me if I could throw, and I said yes? Or did I say make me throw? I just made the clue. You did.

You said, can you? I asked Max if he could throw, and then you said, and then you butted in, and you said, I can throw. Or you said, can you throw? To Max. And I said, I can throw. To Max. And I said, can you throw? And I said, I can throw. No, no, no. But Old Me, Old Me. You want to watch the clip again? Yeah, let's play it again. Yeah, okay, watch this. Old Me would want to watch the clip again. I'm looking at Max, and I'm saying, can you throw? I'm looking at Max. Wait.

I could throw, is what you said. I could throw. Physically, I wasn't able to throw. It sounds like, Big Cat, you're mad at old Hank. No, I'm mad at myself. What about present day Hank?

I'm mad at my, I'm mad at Hank as well because present day Hank, like I said, it hurts to know that like someone I look up to and I'm like, I think he can do everything. Turns out he can't do anything. So I'm mad at myself. Hand up accountability. I'm just better than Hank at everything. Hand up. Yeah. Congratulations. I think you should be proud of your team. Seems like a fully dysfunctional front office.

No, no, no. It sounds like it's chaos from the top down. When it comes to a team, it's all on the players. There's nothing that the coach could do separately, and it's players. And the players let the coach down. Don't the coaches put...

players in position to succeed no no no the players decide what position they play when the players demand that they can throw and they can't decide what the players think okay i want to play wide receiver today and the coach just has to listen the problem is if i could clone myself and put myself at every position we'd be in a better spot because i should have kicked and thrown but hank had to do something and he stinks at everything so what are you supposed to do

Hank, I have a question. Why didn't you volunteer for high jump or something? I did. I literally was saying whatever you need. You were training on jumping high. Yes, I was. But Old Me was saying whatever you need. You said, put me in, coach. I can throw. I can throw. I could. No. I thought I could. You could. I started two for two.

What happened after? It got really windy. Yeah. And the balls are wet. Also, my fire. No excuses. I'm just every Super Bowl week. It hits me a little harder. I'm just old. Yeah. But still better athlete than Hank. So kind of reverse fire fest on that one. Never forget that two for two, Hank. Yeah. No, it was electric. I was. Japan started off World War Two pretty hot, too. Yeah.

You just missed everything. They'll always have what? You missed everything. You know what? No, no, no. No. All that stuff, two for two. Yeah. All right, PFT. Yeah, my Fyre Fest is I've gumboed myself to death. I realized last night at dinner, I used to love gumbo. I don't really want to have any more gumbo. Yeah. I'm going to.

I'm going to try to enjoy it, but... Right after this. Yeah, for lunch, I'm about to have another gumbo. But my body is like all sodium right now. I'm bloated. I haven't pooped in three days, which is the exact opposite of what people thought was going to happen with all this gumbo. But yeah, I'm getting... I have to have gumbo for lunch, and then I have to have...

gumbo for dinner, but then I have to sneak a gumbo in in between. How many are you at? I'm at 10. So the middle gumbo. You need five more? The middle gumbo is pre-gum. That Sunday night one was a big miss. We went out to dinner and there was no gumbo. I'm going to pre-gum before dinner tonight. Yeah. Yeah. That was bad. You couldn't. We knew in the moment, too. We're like, this is a big missed opportunity for gumbo. It was huge. They had a gumbo-like dish on the meal. That was basically you got stopped on the goal line in the first quarter. Yeah.

And it was like, it's hard to recover. But guess what? It's not over, Hank. I got the rest of the day today. I got all day tomorrow. Gumbo is delicious. But last night at dinner, I was just looking at the menu and my body needed, it was craving the color green. I needed something. I needed a green. And I don't know if I'm getting scurvy.

Probably. But yeah, it's been a lot of gumbo. I got a solution for you. You could do what some people in this room do and you can be like, I can eat gumbo. And then when you can't eat gumbo, you can just blame everyone else.

Yeah. Well, you guys did when I said... Old PFT probably would have done that. At dinner the other night, I put my hand up and I said, I've got a good place that has gumbo. Yeah. And then we got there and there was absolutely no gumbo. But I started the dinner out hot by saying, I've got a place. Yeah. And then after that, it all fell apart.

I do take accountability for that. That's huge. Yeah. But I feel like I'm just sweating rue. Yeah. Last night I went and grabbed pizza after our competition. Feeney Pizza has a pop-up and our friend Sean Feeney, great pizza, but I was talking to him and

And he was like, oh, PFT. We got to get PFT by here. And I was like, he's only eating gumbo. And he looked at me like, what? That's the other thing. There's so much good food in New Orleans. A2Fay, Jambalaya, Po' Boys. Yeah. And as much as I want to have it, there's no room for non-gumbo. Yeah. Your schedule is full of gumbo. It's gumbo. Yeah. You're running a marathon and you have the runs.

But you've got to finish. Well, I don't have the runs. No, I know, but hypothetically. This shouldn't happen. You're chafing. You're bleeding from your thighs. I'm also concerned about that aspect. But the finish line is. I'm actually bleeding from my chest a little bit from the waxing. But the gumbo blocking me up is a side effect that should not be happening. Yeah, it should be the reverse. It's just my body being like, hey, dude, stop. Whatever you're doing, stop this. It should be the exact reverse. It should be like saying, like, I can throw when you really should have said, I can't throw. Yeah. I would kill for diarrhea right now.

Yeah, like old me would be upset that you want players. Don't you want players that want to compete? Yeah, but I do realize that right now. You could quit. No, I couldn't. I can't. Exactly. You can't quit. Just because you get put in a situation where you might not excel, you have to overcome. The difference, though, is even though... Old me would be upset at the lack of accountability by the coach, but...

But PSG put themselves in the situation he knows he did. I put myself, but you know what else I'm going to do? Yeah. Even though I put myself in a bad situation, I'm going to finish it and I'm going to do it. That's what I did. I'm going to win. You're not going to blame anyone. No, and I'm going to win. I did finish it. And you blamed everyone. I'm embracing the suck. Cleats in the grass. Man in the arena. I'm going to finish the week. I'm going to do what I said I was going to do. I'm going to eat 15 gumbos.

Come hell or high water, I'm going to go 15 for 15 on gumbos, which is a pretty damn good percentage. Yeah, it is. I said I was going to throw, and I hit every target I needed to hit. 57 throws. Max? Mine was kind of like that. I need some greens. I've eaten like shit, and I'm still here for four more days. Oh, I have to go to the Super Bowl. No, I'm excited for that. I'm talking about...

My diet since I've been here. I'm going to get drunk and go to the Super Bowl this weekend. I'm going to say go birds to a thousand people on the street. All right. All right. Show them, Max. All right. Fine. I'm excited for the Super Bowl. I'm...

Big diet starts Tuesday. Why don't they make just a pill? It's Fyre Fest. You got to fucking talk about shit that's going on. What do you want me to say? Super Bowl week. They should make a pill for guys like Max that just has a salad inside the pill. No, I like salads. I'm going to have a salad for lunch today. You're experiencing a full New Orleans. When we came here for the final four, we were here for like six days. You get to a point in New Orleans because the food is so good and the drinks and everything.

That you just feel like a sausage on a grill and you need someone to come poke you with a fork. Yeah, that's exactly what I need. Yeah. Let's get our audio guy. Here, sit in meme seat. Sit in meme seat. We'll flip the camera around. So this is Ian. Ian has been wearing... Ian's got the train conductor hat on. Sit right there. Sit right there. You sit right there. At the desk? Yeah, there you go. I think I'm sitting there. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right, come sit in here. Sit here.

I didn't realize this was happening right now. I was eating. I put my food on my face. That's all right. That's all right. So this is Ian. He's our audio guy this week. He spent the whole week with us. Also part-time train conductor. What would you... How would you describe... You basically got to sit in this room through all the interviews, through the bickering, through the ball busting. How would you grade our operation? I thought you killed it. I especially...

What was the best one so far? I think, hmm. We got Berman. Who was before Berman? Wait, that's an Oshkosh bagosh? Yeah. It used to be like work wear. I thought that was for kids. No, it's like coveralls. Oh, okay. That's sick. They make full-size trains, too. Oh, I like that. Yeah, right. Yeah, sorry. I just got distracted. Who was before Berman? Jason Kelsey. That was amazing. Yeah. That was like...

Front to back. We hit it. Yeah, yeah. What about off camera? What do you think about the operation like off camera? Yeah, like the... Well, I mean, my phone went off in the middle of this one. So probably this one. I like that accountability. Yeah, that's big time accountability. It's my parking. Oh, okay. Nice, nice. But yeah, what do you think about like, you saw some fights, some arguments, some disagreements. Yeah, you were being kind of mean to him about that.

The throwing? Yeah. But he said he could throw. Yeah, that was probably a mistake. Yeah, exactly. You're really going in on him. Yeah, but because he came in here coming in on me. Yeah, I didn't hear that part. I just heard you. I can play the clip for you where he said he could throw. I heard that. I heard that. Yeah, yeah. And he can't throw.

Yeah, I tried. The problem is you didn't see him try to throw. If you had seen how bad it was, you would be like, I wasn't mean enough. I heard it was like 0 for 55. Yeah, 0 for 55. So that's two for two. Sorry, two for two. I don't think I was mean enough because he was that bad. That's pretty bad. Hank said earlier, we'll always have Pearl Harbor. I didn't think that that was... I did not say that. Yeah, he did. It was disgusting and inappropriate. What about Max?

Max is my boss, so I can't really. Oh, shit. I can't really say my real name. Great Max's performance as a boss. No, Max is the man. All right. Well, thank you so much, man. We appreciate it. I also like you. Thanks for having me. Every now and then. Hey, why don't y'all take me to the combine? Okay. Come on. Let's go. Let's keep the party going. Do you have any spicy sports steaks? You're talking to the mic. You're the sound guy. I was hoping y'all would have Marshawn Lynch.

I was like, maybe I'll finally get to meet Marshawn Lynch. So I was a little disappointed by that. So Marshawn, if you're listening,

We should definitely be best friends. Okay. That's awesome. You got a pick for the game? Yeah. Seahawks Super Bowl future for next year. Okay. That sounds good. I've got 30 to 1 odds right now. I would hammer it. All right. Gino. You're a Gino guy. All right. Well, thank you so much, Ian. Appreciate it, man. My pleasure. Great week. Great win. Thanks for having me. Really appreciate you. Cheers, guys. That was a blast. All right. Let's kick it to ourselves for lottery ball. I did not say the Pearl Harbor thing.

Okay. Next show will be either Happy Max or Sad Max. Let's finish with numbers. 59. 40.

I'll go three. I'll go three. Good guess, PFT. Meebs, remember when you said that you took it for Jalen Hurts? Yeah. Wait, what was your guess? Why was that for Jalen Hurts? It's Birds Week. What was your guess last episode? Number one. All right, I'll go 77. There's a giant fathead of him wearing number one behind you. His rookie year, he was number two. I'll go 77. Hank, what was yours? 42 for PFT. What was yours, Meebs? 59. Super Bowl 59.

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