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What a Final Four. Let's give it up for the Final Four. That was incredible. Great games. Great games. We deserve it. We put in the hard work. You know that? I just got crashed by the lighthouse. We put in the hard work. Watching this shit. The shit turned into fertilizer. We got a beautiful garden that bloomed in the Final Four. I think that Houston was uncomfortable not playing from behind.

Yeah. I feel like Houston had, had the lead the whole game and they're like, wait, we're, we're usually the ones that are, that are coming back at the last minute. Yeah. We can't hold onto the lead. We want to take the lead. The, uh, so, uh,

All three games in the final four, the team losing at halftime won the game. That means that it was back and forth fun basketball. It wasn't the prettiest game, but it was thrilling, and we got to see something I never thought I'd see, where you get a last possession where Houston was not able to get a shot off because...

I mean, he threw the ball and was going to end up with a traveling violation if he had touched the ball. Yeah, that was weird. Was that the last... Was that the worst final possession of all time in college basketball? Mm-hmm.

It might be. Chris Webber. Not the final possession, though. Not the final possession. I mean, it was... I don't know what they were planning on doing. I guess credit to Florida's defense for taking away whatever it is they were trying to do. But, yeah, they couldn't get a shot off. Well, watching it back, I know that Walter Clayton got player of the tournament, player of the Final Four, which he deserved. He was... Even on a night when his first three or four shots were comically off, and I think that also is part of the ball being overinflated, he was...

He was a big part of Florida offense, you know, with his assists in the first half. And then he found a little offense late driving to the hole, hitting a big three. But Will Richard was the player of the game for this game. And it was him keeping them afloat in the first half with his threes. And then if you look at the final possession, he's,

His on-ball defense in the final possession is where all the timing for Houston got screwed up, and when the timing got screwed up, you end up with that possession where Kelvin Sampson was just staring there, not saying anything, watching his dream crumble. Yeah, I feel bad for Kelvin Sampson. I do too. I was hoping, I mean, I obviously had the future on Florida, but for

For Kelvin, I don't know if he's going to get back here because this is an old team that he had. Their culture, though. Yeah, what was the average age there, like 21, 21 and a half? Yeah. They were an older team, and they played really hard last night. I was super impressed with how they defended last night.

against Clayton. So they, what they did in the first half was they had crier on them and they're like, yeah, crier, you're going to, you're going to sprint your ass off. Like pretend like you're running around guarding rip Hamilton for, for 20 minutes. And then in the second half, we're going to put sharp on them. Yeah. So you can, we'll, we'll have someone who's relatively fresh and they did a great job of stopping and taking away outside shots. He had great passes to the inside. I didn't know that. I didn't know if Condon was going to be enough because Condon, he looked like he was scared.

He can't. That was the big thing with Clayton should have had more assists because his passes were so good. Great passing. Yeah, the Florida big men, again, their hands didn't work except for Thomas Hawk, who that was the play of the game when he blocked the ball and then went for the and one. Yeah. That was an incredible play. But yeah, Condon.

I I'll say it. He still is so important defensively, but offensively when he gets the ball, it's just nervousness. I think there, there have been some games where he looks good offensively, but against Houston, he, he wanted no part of having that ball in the paint. Yeah. He would just, he would like toss it around to himself, dribble it off his leg, get it stripped. Try. I think he had like back-to-back traveling violations. Yeah. He was, he was scared in the first half, but there, yeah, there were great passes by, by Clayton. And then the second half, they kind of figured out different ways that they could score and

Completely different halves in terms of how it was officiated too. Yeah, so the stats are insane. There were four fouls called in the first half, and there were 26 fouls called in the second half, two technicals. Also, Todd Golden probably deserves credit, and I hate that the refs became a part of the entire story here.

but his technical was maybe the most strategic technical of all time because after his technical foul, which was I think like three or four minutes into the second half,

The fouls went 13-3 on Houston. Yeah, good move by him. Because remember, the second half started, I think Florida had five fouls in two and a half minutes. Yeah, two of those fouls were phantom calls. Two were really, really bad. And then there was a bad no call that they had too. And so after the first bad call, I could tell Golden's... He's going to get a technical here. Watch. He knows that he's out of the box. By the way, I love...

the, the box that they put on coaches. Yeah. Cause no coach stays in the box ever. It's just, if you get worn three times and you still, you go further outside the box, that's when they hit you with the tea. Yeah. We also, speaking of the refs, uh, I feel like Seth Davis had like, he, he would be my LVP for the tournament. Um, cause remember he was, he was carrying water for Kevin Willard earlier in the tournament. Uh, not understanding how fans, uh,

interact in sports. I had Jeff Goodman as mine. Jeff Goodman also. Well, I don't even know if he can register because he's like, this guy sucks. It sucks talking about him because he doesn't know who we are, so he's not ever going to hear this. Correct. It feels like I'm just yelling into the ether. Yeah, no idea who we are. Seth Davis, though, tweeted this about the refs. I've always disagreed with the argument that the refs should call it the same the whole game.

The game changes. Sometimes you need to blow the P. I called it a P. Blow the P? Sometimes you need to blow the P to tighten things up. They did. The players adjusted, and we got an amazing final 12 minutes. Refing is more art than science.

I'm going to disagree with that. That makes me want robot arms. That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Here's the thing. If the refs don't call physical play or something that happens in the first half, and then all of a sudden they decide that they're going to call that a foul, that's very confusing for the players and usually gives us a worse product because the players do not have consistency. There's a reason they wear black and white. Yeah. It's not on. It's black and white. One or the other, yeah. Dude, it's...

Do all refs wear black and white, though? On a basketball court? Yeah. I feel like in the NBA, it's like gray. It might be gray. There are shades of gray in there. On a college basketball court, you think black and white. Stripes. He made a good joke and a good pun. Give it to him. It's a great pun. It's not our. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. It's not art. But that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I think that's very stupid. Like, can you imagine a baseball umpire being like, the strike zone, you know, it changes. Right. No. Like, be consistent. That's the one thing. If you're going to, listen, if you're going to blow the P 26 times in the second half, then blow the P 26 times in the first half. If you're going to be bad, be consistently bad.

If you're going to be good, be consistently good. Like that's actually, it's the exact opposite of how I view officiating. There are sometimes you watch a game and you see the refs are like, all right, it's going to be one of those nights. And you just, and then everyone adjusts to have it be. It's not one of those nights. And then halftime happens and they're like, no, it is one of those nights. That sucks. I have another complaint about the officiating. This has been bugging me for, I feel like three years now.

Why do they insist on having that weird angle camera every time they're watching the review and then making the announcement? The one that's like, it looks like it's done on a laptop camera, like a front-facing laptop camera where they stare into it. And every single one of them looks like a serial killer about to murder somebody. Yeah, it's a blowjob camera. It's a blowjob. It's the what she sees camera. Yeah, right. Exactly. And every ref looks like a complete creep. Just get a normal camera. I agree.

It's so stupid. Because it makes me hate the refs more. Also, I did grow to hate Gene Steratore. I loved him at the end. I went the other way. You ended up liking him? I ended up missing him. Yeah, stay strong. On Sunday, I was like, man, I really wish Gene Steratore could just pop into my life right now. You got to stay strong. It was... I wish someone had done... Next year, we'll do it where it's just one shining moment, but it's just Gene Steratore's graphic popping up.

It's like being the mayor of New York City. No matter what you do, everybody's going to hate you. Yeah. If you are the person who is in charge of busting in the broadcast like 20 times in three minutes to analyze if a ball hit off a guy's knee when we can all see that it hit off his knee. Yep. And they're like, okay, let's get Gene Steratore in because he's the only guy that can tell us if this ball actually hit off the guy's knee or if we're just seeing things. Yeah. Gene, what do you think?

It makes me hate you. I don't want to hate Gene. I just missed him because he became such a big part of my life. It's like getting an office wife or an office husband. Gene Steratore, we watched so much basketball. He was kind of getting office hot to me. Office hot? I was kind of being like, Gene Steratore is doing it for me. When he pops in, he's like, I don't know. It could go either way. Thanks, Gene. Really needed that opinion.

And he makes some little joke. I didn't like how jokey they got. They got really jokey. That's why you got to get Mike Carey back. Yeah. We need to bring him back into the national discussion. Yeah. But yeah, credit to Florida. So Florida's path...

Was pretty impressive. So starting with the SEC championship or SEC tournament, Florida went on to beat Missouri, who is ranked 19th in Ken Palm, Alabama six, Tennessee five, then go to the tournament. They win their first round game. UConn defending champs, 32, Maryland 10, Texas Tech nine, Auburn four, Houston two. So they went on a path where they beat Florida.

six top 10 teams to get to this championship. The only, you know, they were, they were ranked third. They ended up beating the two, four, five and six ranked teams in Ken Palm. So Duke was the only one that they didn't rank or didn't beat. It was a hell of a gauntlet and they did it. And Florida's back on top. I also saw, I was reading an article last night. I think it was on the athletic where it was like,

February 26, 2006 was when Florida lost their last game and then went on to win a title. February 27, 2007 was when they lost their last game to go on and win on a title. And then this year they lost their last game February 25th and then just went. So it's something about those late February losses and then Florida, when they've won their three titles, have just gone, ripped them all off. It's wild. Yeah. I think the story from this Final Four, though, if we're going to think back,

Put yourself in a time machine 10 years from now. Duke. Duke losing. It's still the story of the Final Four. Yes. I will die on that hill. Houston choked. That was one possession. That was one possession. Blew that game. Hank, I said it was maybe the worst possession I've ever seen. But it was before that they choked. They did choke. They had turnovers on, I think, their last four possessions. Yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah.

Houston choked, but also Houston... Florida also traveled twice on that press break. No, the ball handler traveled. I know the one you're talking about with Clayton. I don't think he traveled. The other one, yes. He did like a...

He took like 20 steps in two seconds. No, he did not take 20 steps. I think there were probably two missed calls. But, I mean, they were close enough. Yeah, Houston did choke. And also there was the goaltending that they didn't review. Yeah, that was important, it turns out. That's art. They can't review that because they didn't call it. So if they had called it on the floor, they could look at it and be like, yeah, we got it right, but they didn't call it. So instead, we just came back from commercial, and they were like, look at this goaltending call that they missed. Nothing's going to change. Yeah, look, Hank.

You probably aren't wrong because Houston did lead the game for all but 17 seconds in the first 39 minutes. And then Elijah Martin hit two free throws or one free throw with 46 seconds remaining. And that was it. Like that's Hank had a future on Houston. Am I, am I reversing the narrative that you always win the big bets in my face? And I'm, I kind of reversed it. Yeah, I did feel bad.

Because it was like it sucked that we were head to head. I appreciated you feeling. I didn't think you needed to feel bad. But it's head to head. It sucks. But it's different when it's future against future. I know. But it still sucks. If we both were like nuke versus nuke, that's one thing. Yeah, it's true. You can't plan on that. If anything, that just means that this podcast knows ball. Yeah, true. Yeah, I won a very large sum of money, and I think I still am down in March Madness. But that's okay. I'm a losing gambler.

I've never said differently. The account's not empty. The account's not empty, but there's a lot of people being like, show you all your losers. Like, hey, buddy, there's a lot of them. I will never admit it different. I'm a loser. A solemn promise to you all. I will never check and see how much money I've lost. I will when I write like a biography in like 40 years. And then I can like, you know, they'll have me on whatever the next Dan Patrick is. And I can be like,

It says here in your book you lost $30 million gambling. Like, yep, it's true. That's not what the number is right now. I'm down big this year, and I hit the Travis Hunter Heisman future. That was the biggest future of my life. I went Scooble, Travis Hunter, Eagles, and Florida. You win. And I'm down. Plus 16-0 mixed in the middle of that. And I'm still down. So that gives you a little insight of how I am as a kid.

Maybe buy the scandals. I just love the people being like, show your losers. Like, dude. And then thank you to everyone who came to my defense. They're like, he's said a billion times that he's a loser. Like, that's just I'm actually on documented record. Yeah. Yeah. When Penn went to trial against the Massachusetts government, they're like, he's the biggest gambling loser of all time.

historically but uh yeah it was it was i think we'll remember duke yeah i mean that's got to be the big story right it's got to be the big story uh i actually do believe that yeah that 10 years from now we'll remember that florida won a national title will we remember it as much as because here's here's the difference hank between duke's

You're saying it's USA-Russia? No. USA-USSR? They're supposed to be Duke. Yeah, well, and also, I think if you had to make a bet on what player from these four teams is going to have a career that we talk about for a long time, it's Cooper Flagg. And guess what happened with Cooper Flagg in his last tournament game? He choked. Mm-hmm.

So that's where the storyline comes. Yeah, a lot of choking. I think it'll be remembered as the final four of chokes. The chokes? Yeah. Kelvin Sampson, I do feel bad. He was on win number 799. So this would have been 800. Brutal. He probably would have retired, right? I don't know. At 800? His son is coaching waiting, Kellen. Yeah, he's been right there. I'll say this about Kelvin Sampson, incredible coach, just needs to figure out how to get a little bit more moisture in his mouth.

Yeah. He is a big time dry mouth guy. He is. He is. He also is a coach that every time I see him, I think he's going to be fatter than he is. Yeah. I think it's the name Kelvin. Kelvin. I assume every time the camera pans to him, I'm like, wow, he's lost a lot of weight. But I say that every time I see him. Adding an L to Kevin makes you fatter. Yeah. It should. Like when you close your eyes, you say, hey, that's Kelvin coming down the street. I'm like, whoa.

That guy's a big boy. It's how you say Kevin while you're swallowing a bite of sandwich. Yeah, your mouth is full. Kelvin. And then Florida, yeah, I mean, this Final Four or this championship game, for everyone who says that college basketball is dying...

Yes, obviously there's some issues with NIL and transfer, but there were no five-star recruits in this game and there were no freshmen in this game. So maybe there was a freshman. I know Florida has a freshman. Maybe it was the starters, no five-stars, no freshmen. So it's not just you can load the – Duke would have been the team you're like, NIL has ruined it. They just paid $20 million for their roster. Yeah.

That didn't happen. So it turns out that the only thing that we could say after the tournament was over, if Duke had won, NIL ruined college basketball. Correct. And since Florida won and they didn't have freshmen, it's college basketball alive and well. Alive and well. Although I...

I hate after big games like this seeing Olivier Roux go out on the court and cut down the nets and not have to jump at all. Yeah. The 7'8 guy, 7'9 guy in Florida who doesn't play because he's a freshman. I just wish that we had seen him play. Yeah. I agree. He'll play. He's going to be a freak. And it was also, like I said, my player of the game was Will Richard. I'm a sap for this stuff. He was the first guy to commit to Todd Golden when he took over at Florida. I always love those stories.

It's like he was the first one to believe in what would end up being three years down the line a national championship. He was my guy. He was the guy who built it all around. That's the foundation block. Do we have a top 25 for next year already? I love the sickos that do those lists the second the game's over. Okay. Phantomade won. Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, UNC. I'm going to say Creighton's going to be somewhere around 12th.

Where's Creighton? Creighton's 22. He's got Houston at one. Houston, Purdue, Louisville, Duke, UConn, Texas Tech, Alabama, St. John's, UCLA, Iowa State. That's your top 10. I love that. Congrats to Iowa State. There's a guy on, fuck, I can't remember. It might be like JBB Bracketology or something. I can't remember. No, JBR Bracketology is someone I follow. He's a really good college who's followed. But there's a guy who did Bracketology already.

I think he did it on Saturday. Who were the first four teams out? I don't know who the first four teams out was. I just immediately looked. Wisconsin got an eight seed. I would just assume that if you're doing bracketology for next year already, you're only doing it. Just have the first four teams out so you can stick it to fan bases that you don't like. Mr. Brackets III.

He's got Houston as your one seed in the south. Duke is your one seed in the east. Kentucky is your one seed in the midwest. And Purdue out west. Going to be tough for the Boilermakers going out west. I pulled that up pretty quick. You did. Is Villanova on there? Villanova's not on there, but Robert Wright coming to Nova. I feel like they reversed where West Virginia should be in Xavier. I feel like those two are backwards in this one.

Did the committee get it wrong? The committee got it wrong. I just love the commitment to do a bracketology. When did he post this? Great job, Max, by pulling that up. When did he post this? This was on April 5th at 218. So this was before the final four was played. I love that. I love that. That's a commitment right there.

That's actually a great way to take away some of this. If your team doesn't get into the NCAA tournament, there should be a guy that does this for next year and put all those bubble teams in and actually be like, look, we're building something. You got it. You're on the way. All right. So, yeah, good.

Bad tournament, great Final Four. Yeah. I think that's fair to say. You got to get a shot off. Got to get a shot off. Me? That's probably... I mean, with Houston, you take the good with the bad. They practice so much in loose ball drills and not shooting. You revert back to your training. What do you think would have happened if he had picked up the ball? Do you think the rest would have been...

They would have called it. I mean, we could have had the biggest missed call of all time. Right. Like, just put the pressure on them. I also think he should have. He should have touched it just because then they would have still been like, whatever, five seconds left. And you force them to make the call. Florida makes a free throw. Yeah. You force them to make the call. If they make the call, Florida makes a free throw or two. Then it would be game. But if they make one, you still got a shot. Yep. Yeah. He should have touched it. All time. Yeah.

That's so unsatisfying if you're a Houston fan. I don't know what you just have that playing in your head forever. That was kind of what felt like a win the whole game, too. Like they were winning that game. You just need a shot. You need a shot at the end of the game. And especially, I mean, the play they ran was to shoot a three. And they should have went right away. Sprinted right at the rim. Yeah.

And try to get a rebound. That's what I didn't understand was why, why take it down that far? Why not give your, yourself a shot to, if they get a rebound, get a foul and, and play it out from there and give yourself multiple opportunities to not get a shot off. When I watched it back, I was looking at it and it looked like what they were hoping for. It looked, it basically will Richards defense got all of the sequence of screens out of order for Houston. And they were just all a little bit late in the past. Wasn't really crisp, but,

But I think what they were trying to do was get Condon to come out on the three, and it would have left J.J. Roberts and Clayton going for the rebound. So you basically take a three with five seconds left, and then you have a huge mismatch under the boards. Also, I feel like J.J. Roberts could get a rebound even if there are three other guys around him. Yeah, that shot he hit off the backboard. That was insane. That was insane. I woke up this morning, and my first thought was –

How did Florida win this game? Yeah. Like, it's crazy. It was a great comeback by Florida. They were never in control of this game. Never. Not even for, even at the end. It's like, oh, here comes Houston. They're going to either hit a three or get a rebound because that's what they always do. Like, if you're trailing, and what were they down by? 12 points? I think they were down 12. They were down 10 almost instantly in the second half. Yeah, you're down 12, and you get two technicals. Yeah. And you still come back and win. That's crazy. It was that Thomas Hawke.

Block and and one was an incredible, incredible play. He played his balls off. Yeah, he was. He was a dude. Okay. Denver has fired their head coach, our good friend, Michael Malone and their GM. What the fuck? Yeah. What the fuck? This is the one of the craziest coach firings. The Denver is in the four seat, I believe right now, but they're all these teams in the West are within half game. So they could end up being the eight seed. Yeah.

Memes had an interesting theory that he's been reading about online. Oh, you mean Luka Doncic? Nope. Nope. Our guy Memes decided to show up to work today dressed as Luka Doncic. I don't know. I've never seen it before. He's wearing a Luka Doncic Mavericks. Mavericks Luka Doncic hoodie. Is that a...

It's a sweatshirt. A hersey. A hersey? I think a sweatshirt jersey. Sweat jersey. Sweat jersey. And then matching sweatpants and then has his shoes and socks exactly like Luca would wear. Yeah, so he's just channeling Luca on the Mavs. And he's been drinking beers all day. And he said... And hookah. And what? Hookah. And hookah. Memes was like, is it sex trafficking? That was his theory on Michael Jackson. Yeah, what's that? You're right.

I mean, the Denver airport, weird shit goes on there. Was it the Jokic brothers that just went into the Nuggets facilities like, fire him now? I coached his team now. No, I mean, I read who knows what actually happened. Apparently, the GM and Michael Malone...

did not speak and they were not on good terms so they're firing both of them so they're like fuck it we'll fire both of them me personally I would keep the coach that won an NBA title I would keep the coach that you're winning you're winning his coach of all time your NBA title coach the only one you have in your history of your of your franchise right before the playoffs makes no sense I I always go back to like whenever these things happen like Jokic had to sign off on this right

I would think so. But also, Jokic is someone who's like... He's the type of guy who I feel like he's... He wouldn't demand anything. After the Luka thing, when it was like, you would think someone along the way would have been like, we're not doing this. And that didn't happen. It feels like anything's possible. But with...

With Jokic, I feel like he's always teetering on the edge of being like, you know, I don't really like playing basketball. I'd rather just hang out with my horses. You don't want to piss him off. So I feel like you have to have that conversation with him. Right. Right before the playoffs. I know they've lost four in a row, but Jamal Murray's been in and out. So, like, you still have the best player in the world right now. Yeah. So that leads me to only think that he would have signed off on this. Yeah. Also, Calvin Booth, the GM.

Tough day for him because his face is weird. Yeah, there are some pictures of him that kind of looked like he was melting. Yeah, someone said it looks like they put Nick Cage's face inside of his. Inside of a tanning bed? Yeah. Can you pull up his picture? Yeah, I mean, that's just... Listen, sucks to get fired. Sucks even more for everyone to be like, oh, that's what you look like? Let's take a look at this guy because I only saw the graphic that Shams... Yeah, it's just... Why the long face, Calvin? Yeah, yeah. So...

calvin booth it's a it's a very that first picture right there that's not great it's a very strange time to do all this very strange like really really strange uh the owner josh cranky he gave us a press conference today and they asked him about it does he have any relation to stan i i'll have to look that up he might yeah good for him another cranky getting a team yeah so uh but he's independent with independently wealthy i'm sure yeah

His message to the team was play hard and have fun. So they're going the Mighty Ducks strategy. They're going, yeah. Gordon Bombay. That would be funny if they just hired Emilio Estevez. Like, we don't... Jokic can draw up the plays. I'm just here to throw the beach ball out there and have some fun. So I guess they're just going to go with their assistant coaches in interim for the playoffs. Okay. Coaching by committee? This is stupid. This makes no sense. Aren't those Mike Malone's coaches? Michael. Michael. Yeah. But aren't they just...

Say the question again. Aren't those Michael Malone's coaches? Yes, they are. So if you're firing your coach. Your post Malone. Yeah. Why would you not bring him new help? If you don't believe in Michael Malone, how could you believe in his assistants? That would be my question. Fair, fair question. And will those assistants coach hard for you after you fired their guy? Right.

One of them will. One of them definitely is like, this is my shot. The rat? Yeah, and then it will become a whole thing. Wait, who is this? What do you think about this guy? David Adelman. Okay. He's got cute cheeks. Look how rosy they are. Who else is coaching for them? They're really going by committee? I think this is the guy. Oh, they did make it officially he's the interim? Okay. Okay.

Cause I was going to say if they were, if that would be very funny, if it was like four guys and they took turns on the quarters, you're actually asking for a huge reduction from a guy who's never done it before at this level. That's what wind horse said. I agree with Wendy. Wendy's hair is so on point. It's a good suit too. This fucking guy. He just, he serves looks fucking love. When he was, he'll be on for the playoffs. Uh,

You guys excited for the Masters? I know we got Max Homa and Shane Bacon. By the way, Max, awesome interview. He's maybe not playing the best golf of his career right now, or he isn't, but we got him. I feel like it was a good interview.

Good time to just go back to the old conversation with Max Holm. I'm very excited about it, Big Cat. I know that Sunday is maybe the best nap day of the entire calendar year when you're watching the final round. I think it's Saturday. I actually have become more of a Friday Masters guy. Oh, yeah.

Friday, Friday masters before the cut. It's like a little mini championship. It's like everybody is fighting for something. I like Saturday just because Saturday, like Sunday, I don't want to miss anything. And Saturday is just a perfect Saturday afternoon. They do the thing where you can't watch the coverage on TV until like three o'clock. Um,

And then it comes on and you kind of doze off. Then you wake up for the last four or five holes. What do you say, Max? Why can't you watch all of the Masters? I don't understand. There's no other sports going on at this time. Everyone wants to watch the whole thing. The first two rounds. Yeah. They've expanded their coverage. Yeah. And Max, there should be no question of whether there is coverage. I agree. Download the app.

You download the app. But then you like the amount of times that I've bet on somebody and you can't watch. Yeah. And you're just going through like the Masters tracker and just waiting and refreshing and refreshing. It's so annoying. The most frustrating thing that happens every single year on Saturday. The Masters is it like two o'clock? They're like, here is an hour of a Jack Nicklaus documentary.

Like, just give us the foot. We know they're playing. Yeah. They're playing the Masters right now. It's usually like 30 minutes about how Sam Snead named a tree. Yeah. But the answer to your question, Max, is it's the Masters. So they get to make all the rules. They get to do whatever they want. That's really all it is. They have a one year contract with CBS and they basically call up CBS and say, yeah, you know what? We'll keep you for another year. Like, imagine CBS is kind of the cuck in this relationship. They go from 12 to 7 on Saturday. Yeah.

Is that real 12 to 7? 12 to 2 on Peacock. On the cock. What about the morning? Who cares? On Saturday, Sunday, it's like... It's moving day, bro. But anyone that's... 12 to 7 is a long fucking time. Dippleheads like us? Yeah, but no, you're going to want to see how the course looks in the morning.

What's going on from 8 to 12? What are they showing that they can't show mass? I didn't realize Max just wanted to post up and watch. No, but I just like having it on. Here's the thing, though, and Max makes a good point. They could be lying to us about what happens earlier in the day. Right. They could just make up the scores and be like, oh, this is crazy. Tiger Woods shot another great round early in the day on Saturday. You didn't see it. Mm-hmm.

Also, why are you defending? You should be on my side here. I am on your side, but I do think the Masters, in terms of golf tournaments at least, there's a lot of golf tournaments where there's much worse viewing experiences. The Masters gives you a lot. But I want all of it. I want more. That's fair. I want everything. I don't care about golf except for the majors or if we have a bet on a guy that weekend. If

Like, just give you the golf. Give me the golf. Give me all of it. I agree. Like, when I wake up on Saturday morning, it's like, oh, the Masters is on. Let me just throw this on my TV while I'm doing other things. Why can't I have that on my TV? It is also the most peaceful tournament. So, like, I don't even care. They don't even have to. They could show a shot every 10 minutes. And as long as I have it on my TV, I'm going to take a nice nap. Yeah.

And they do the less commercials. Hank's been compromised. Hank just likes to defend all of the golf. Yeah. You're defending the wrong golf here, bro. I just, it's true. Hank thinks he's going to play at Augusta someday. Max was like, I think we should be able to watch more golf. And Hank's like, no, that doesn't add up. You want to play at Augusta. Why would Hank say that?

Do you want to play at Augusta? No. You don't want to play at Augusta? There's no world where I'm playing at Augusta. There's definitely not a world where you're playing at Augusta if you have a take like Max. Max is definitely not playing at Augusta. Are you negging the course right now? I'm not playing at Augusta. I'm opting out of playing at Augusta. I also opt out because I want more fucking golf. Yeah, all right, fair. Me too. Fuck the Masters. Oh, no, Hank. Why would you say that?

Oh, we just dragged you down into the mud with us. I also love the caddy uniforms at Augusta. The caddy uniforms are priceless. They're like little smocks that they get them. Are you trying to play at Augusta? No. You haven't opted out yet, though. No, I have opted out. You forget, Big Cat. Like, three years ago on this show, I said, I don't want to play at Augusta. I'm not Augusta material. Fair. I'm opting out. And you said...

You wouldn't want to play at Augusta? I would want to play at Augusta. I would want to play at Augusta, but now I can't because I'm saying fuck the Masters. I mean, I definitely would want to play at Augusta. I've been up there. Like, if they ask me, I absolutely would. Hank still allowed the putt, though. We'll get to that later. I just want to clear. But fuck the Masters, but if they actually did invite us, like, I would play at Augusta. For the record, I don't... Yeah, we're never getting invited. No one is getting invited. But we would.

I don't know that I would because Augusta would lose so much of its shine, so much of its stature for me. The second they invite me, I'm like, that's kind of gross. You guys are doing too much. Hank, you want to fuck the Masters, but you would. Max, would you? I won't even play on this show. I'm that bad.

But you would if you were asked to play at Augusta. That sounds like he wants to play. I don't want to play. If they ask you to play at Augusta on a fucking random day in July. I don't even know if it's open in July. I think it's closed. It's closed in July. Whatever it's open. Some guy...

Jeffrey Lurie calls you up and says, Max, you're my number one guy. Do you want to go play Augusta with me? Well, that's how it would have to be because it would have to be some crazy rich dude. But that wouldn't be to play at Augusta. That would be to play with Jeffrey Lurie. So Jeffrey Lurie says, hey, Max, I'm not going to make it, but I want you to play in my place at Augusta. Well, that would be Big Dom asking me. Or would it be Big Jom? I don't know who that is. That's a good question. I would never play.

Yeah I'm not I would never play I'm too bad at golf Sydney Sweeney were to DM me Like I would never go out with her But if she DM'd me I would go out with her too Yeah same If she DM'd you She's like do you want to go out on a date Yeah Yeah I would That would be good for this show Yeah I would approve It would be really good for this show You should work on that

It would be better. I'll work just as hard as that as playing at Augusta. I'd like to win the lottery. Never gonna. You think Sydney Sweeney DMing you out of nowhere and being like, let's fuck is more likely than Augusta. I think she'd want to go on a date, make sure we have chemistry. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No one plays it. Way more likely. Yeah. Yeah.

You work at the number one sports podcast in America, and you think it's more likely that Sidney Sweeney fucks you than Augusta invites you. I kind of agree with him. No one plays at Augusta. Yeah, I kind of agree with him. Listen, nobody fucks Sidney Sweeney either. Well, someone does. I think it's... I'm kind of on PFT's side here. Yeah. You guys don't know Augusta. Listen, both are very unlikely. Hank is. Hank doesn't even want to watch the Masters. That's true. That's...

Yeah, I'm 0 for 2 on the 50-50. We're four Cubs games in. You probably didn't buy that many tickets, though. Yeah, I probably didn't buy that many tickets. You know what? Here's another thing. If we're ranting, Max, the 50-50 now, they don't print out all your numbers. You just get one number.

It's bullshit. What does that even mean? You have to check a website. And then you're like, oh, I lost. I spend like $200, $300 every time they give me one number. I don't understand it. I feel like I'm getting robbed. Do they give you like from this number to this number? No, it's just one number. I don't get it. I don't understand what changed.

Do you think I'm just getting robbed? I think you're getting robbed. Make that make sense. At the Blackhawks game, I think I bought $300 worth of 50-50s. They sent me an email. Yeah, there's a QR code too? Yeah, I get an email with a bunch of numbers and then I click a button and then it takes me to a website that tells me that I lost the 50-50. I'm like, I paid $300 to read a website.

I also don't think that you should be able to buy 50-50s if you're not at the game. Agreed. That's bullshit. I would never want to win a 50-50 if I wasn't there. People will send me, like, oh, this 50-50 you can buy. It's like, dude, I got to be there. I have to go to the game. I would like to win a 50-50 at a game that I'm not at.

I'll never enter, but in theory, I would like to get an email. Not me. I guess actually in theory, I would, too. But I wouldn't count it as my 50-50. Right. You'd just be like, I just won a lot of money. I got paid money. Not I won the 50-50. It would be kind of like not pointing fingers in here, but like someone in this room saying that they've gotten the lottery ball when they clearly have not because it was someone else's lottery. That kind of situation. Like if I wasn't at the game, I'm not going to count it. Well, that never happened.

Yeah, PFT just got it. Yeah. I nailed it. And memes still has not. I got it twice. Hey, what's going to happen first? Me win the 50-50 or memes get the lottery ball? I'm going to say Big Cat win the 50. Do you think Hank is going to impregnate Sidney Sweeney or memes is going to get the lottery ball first? Better chance for Hank. Hank only does butt stuff, though. Hank is fucking good looking. Thank you. My guy, look at him today. He's wearing his Augusta green.

Not really, but yeah. Yeah, you are. Six pack coming. It is. I can't wait. Is it arriving before or after the dunk? Before. Oh, okay. So you're going six pack, then dunk. Yeah, I'm going six pack summer. And then once summer is over, I'm going to go back. Because the six pack predates the dunk.

Yeah. You said you were going to get a six pack like three years ago. Yeah. And the time has come. I think we all said that. Yeah. Now, is there going to be a real six pack or is it going to be just like, oh, you got the dick bones? We'll see. I mean, it might be like, you know, camera angles and stuff, but something will be there. Okay. We'll have Sidney Sweeney come and judge. Yeah. If it's a real six pack or not.

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Oh shit. I had this too. Direwolves. Yeah. I had direwolves too. We all had direwolves. I actually put cats on my hot seat, but human society is good too. Romulus and Ramus. And Khaleesi. The world's first de-extinct animals born October 1st, 2024. They've been extinct for 10,000 years and scientists used like old DNA from fossils and

and just remade direwolves? This seems bad. So, yeah, the source I saw said that they use DNA that's like somewhere between 10,000 and 72,000 years old to recreate these wolves. Why? But then, Hank, I dug a little bit deeper and went to a better source, Alex Jones, and

And Alex Jones says that the wolf resurrection story is tied to gain of function bioweapon research. So I don't know if we should be so pumped up about these direwolves. Then I actually went back and read a real source and they said that with these wolves, they took gray wolves and then they altered their genetics.

So it's not like they're getting old DNA and just like duplicating them. They're taking existing gray wolf DNA and then going in and fucking with it. I mean, that's playing on the apes. I've never seen Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park. And playing on the apes. Is it more Jurassic Park? I think it's more. The entire plot of Jurassic Park was there's a zoo and we found dino DNA. And bingo, dino DNA. It's bad. This is really bad. Why are we doing this?

I'm okay with it because it does bring us closer to potentially doing an actual Jurassic Park, which I think would be bad. That'd be a great idea. Really bad. You wouldn't go to a Jurassic Park. I didn't go see the movie. Yeah, but in real life, if there's a zoo and it's like we got a fucking T-Rex and then over here we got triceratops and you can pet the triceratops. You'd say not for me? I think I'd just look from afar.

And by far, I mean on my phone. Jurassic Park is one of those things that it's a piece of art and it's a book and a movie that's supposed to warn us about the dangers of playing God. To me, when I see that, I'm like, we should do that. I want to see Dinosaur in real life. I think I'm good with the dire wolf. I don't really want to fuck with the dire wolf. I'm cool with it. They eat horses? Yeah, it makes no sense. Although...

cool in Game of Thrones but that's Game of Thrones that's Game of Thrones I don't want real life to be Game of Thrones I actually didn't know that dire wolves were a real thing outside of Game of Thrones me neither until I saw I thought it was like a parody thing I thought I was reading like a Game of Thrones Twitter account and I was like oh this is this is real yeah this is bad wait you you actually wouldn't go to a Jurassic Park I didn't see the movie no but I'm you wouldn't go see a fucking I have to see the movie first and I'm not gonna see the movie I would go see Raptors it'd be sweet man I'd feel like like a fraud going to the Jurassic Park without seeing the movie first

I'm the biggest loser. I've only seen Jurassic World. I've never seen Jurassic Park. That's worse than never seen Jurassic Park. I'm actually the same. Really? Oh, shit. I love that. Love that. Yeah, I mean, I've had this theory. People know, AWLs know. I had this theory that everyone has one or two of these movies. We did a Mount Rushmore last year of just one or two of these movies you just didn't see and you just haven't seen and you probably won't see. I'm going to watch it. It shocks everyone. I'm going to watch it. That's a promise to you.

I don't care. Well, I'm telling you. Were you promising me? The listener. Oh, okay. I was like, you were looking right at me. I don't give a fuck if you watch it or not. Didn't we say when we did the Mount Rushmore that whatever we put on our Mount Rushmore, we were making a promise to never see? I didn't put that on my Mount Rushmore. You didn't put that on your Mount Rushmore. I will not be seeing it.

My cool thrown is Caitlin Clark. A video footage released of her scoring 22 points in two minutes against an Iowa men's scout team in scrimmage.

She was hitting like half court runners with a hand in her face. It looks like AI. It looks like one of those like old commercials, you know, like Michael Vick LeBron when they shoot from full court or throw a football through the roof. Like she was just pulling up contested basically at half court swishing everything. Yep. Amazing. Ultimate cool throne. Yeah. Also, the ratings are like, yeah, I think it was 10 million less.

For the national championship this year. And that's why. Clips like that. Yeah. I mean, she's insane. I still think Paige Becker is going to be a better pro. Kayla Clark's really good. I know. I know. I think Paige is going to be better. I'm a juju guy. See if she gets back from her ACL. Yeah. These shots are insane. Absolutely insane. Imagine being one of these guys that plays. Because these guys who play against the women's team are good basketball players. Yeah. Like, guys who are good in high school are...

Actually, it looks like Max is playing center there. I don't know about that. There's a lot of headbands out there. Yeah, now that I'm looking at it again, that's Max playing center.

The guy wearing like three shirts and sweating through all of them. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, these are impressive shots no matter who is playing on defense. Yes. Agreed. Okay. PFT, your hot seat cool throne. Yeah. I mean, Hank stole my hot seat. Mine too. Good job, Hank. Thank you. My cool throne is jinxes because I jinxed myself on Monday's part of my take hard, hard during the Uber Eats ad read.

saying it had been like four, four and a half, five months since I ordered to the wrong place. I came in on Monday and I ordered my lunch to my house. Hank, by the way, Hank just got up and left in the middle of an episode.

You'll see when we start to interview Shane Bacon later on in today's episode, he walks in and he does the nicest, most casual little stroll. Like he's out for a Sunday walk to pick up the paper at the end of the driveway. Have you ever seen the movie Signs? Remember when the alien comes by for the first time? Yeah. That's what Hank does across the camera. And then he sits down and Max is like, what's going on? Then Hank gets mad at Max for telling him, hey, we started the interview already. He looks at his watch like...

You guys are the ones who started. We started, I think, a minute early. Maybe. And he was like, I thought we were starting at 9. He said, I thought we were starting at 9.45. And when he texted me, it was 9.45. Is something on fire? His car better be on fire. The way he just walked out mid-sentence on you. He texted us saying, one second, sorry.

PFT, that was rude. I mean, it's not rude because I've come to expect this from him. That's true. That was literally mid-sentence. He just stood up and left. He's like, I got done talking about the video that I saw Dave tweet earlier and an article that I saw somebody else retweet yesterday, so I'm going to get up. My job here is done. My job's done. See you guys.

Where the fuck is he? What am I going to talk about for hot seat? Let me see what Dave said. All right. Yeah, I'll just say what he said. He's going to be so upset that this is this conversation. I mean, you can't just leave right in front of us and expect us to be like, oh, okay. If he had said something to us, like, hey, I got to go shit.

All right. He's probably jacking off. So you did the Uber Eats thing again? Actually, all that Masters talk. Yeah. So on Monday, the very next meal that I had after I made the statement of what the hot streak I've had, yeah, just send it to the wrong place. And it's...

uh in my house still because i brought it in when i got home that's such a sad thing to bring inside yeah you're the front door and here's a six hour old lunch yeah and you just bring it inside and put it and stare at it for the rest of the day don't say anything because i'm gonna use it as my hot seat because he stole mine okay so that's my my cool throne is jinxes so reset the counter to zero yeah uh all right my hot seat is hank what was that i said sorry but what what happened someone was calling me like three times in a row i thought it was an emergency who was it my buddy jack

I didn't know what was going on. Is Jack okay? Yeah. We thought there was like a car on fire. I would have said it's an emergency. I just had one sex. We also talked about the fact that you walked Saunders right in front of the camera to start Shane Bacon. I walked at 4, whatever, 944. And...

The interview had started. Max has timestamps to say differently. That's not what I said. That's not what I said. When did he text you? I literally said exactly that. I said the interview started one minute early. Yeah, I was confused. I thought I was like 15 minutes late because you guys were in rhythm. Is everything okay? Everything's fine. I said it's an emergency. I said I'm going to call him back. I thought it was an emergency.

I didn't get the text until after you had left. And I was like, that was, yeah, we were, that was a confident. Just don't listen to the last five minutes.

I said one second. Sorry. That's like text. Yeah, you did. All right. That was my hot seat because I was dire wolf too. So thanks. Actually, you know what? Credit to Hank. He gave me a hot seat. Yeah. What? I didn't. I needed one. Yep. I appreciate that. What about hot seat? Drake May, because the Boston media is asking if Drake May is a little bit of a diva getting Joe. What happened? You are the Boston media. False. What happened?

Nothing. They're looking for clicks. This is like a tale as old as time. I think Joe Milton wanted an opportunity to compete for a starting job. Drake May doesn't make personnel decisions. I miss this. This is an actual story? No. Drake May's... Joe Milton's not...

This is very funny because it's not like Joe Milton's been in the league for like five years. Like, it's my time. This isn't like a Steve Young, Joe Montana situation. I think he would like a place where he can compete to be a starter potentially at some point. I don't know. Yeah, I don't. I feel like if he goes to... Okay, in his wildest dreams, if Dak gets injured, which probably that would never happen, but if it did, and he got in and he played awesome...

You could see a world where the Cowboys would be like, we're going to go with Joe Milton down the line. If Drake May got banged up out for like four weeks, no chance he loses his job. You guys are delusional about Joe Milton. I am not. I think Joe Milton stinks. I love watching Joe Milton. I'm delusional about Joe Milton. Yeah. I am knowingly delusional. There's a difference between saying you think he's good.

I think he is fun. He's so fun. But he's not good. We never said he was good. We said he was fun. But when he's good, he's very good. I don't even think he's good enough to be fun. Oh, he is. When he throws the ball and I go, dude, he threw an orange 106 yards. I saw it. And then he threw an orange 106 yards on a five-yard out. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That rocks. That sounds fun. That sounds fun. Yeah.

I wish he was on the Cowboys. Me and PXU have had all-flying conversations about this. I bet on him the game that he went out of bounds at the end. That was tough. I'll never think he's fun.

That was not fun. That was a not fun thing that he did. But when he just lets it rip. Yeah. All right. Then my cool throne. PFT alluded to this with our Shane Bacon interview. But the cool throne is the master's food because the worst person you know has come out and said that it stinks. Revelled. This was like four or five days ago. He said, spoiler alert.

Talking about the master's food. It tastes as good as the price. Not a single item outside Augusta National will get any attention on its merits alone. There I said it. Thank God he said it. Thanks, Darren. Oh, needed that. So this reasonably priced, dare I say, even affordable sandwich that you can buy at the best golf tournament in the world that tastes very good is not like Jose Andres' chef quality? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yep. You know what? All the worst teams have the best food.

Yeah. The White Sox have incredible food. Didn't Coastal Carolina set free concessions for the entire year? Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Let people enjoy things. Yeah. Just the worst. He really is the worst. It's really hard to make the Masters not fun. He found a way to do it. You think Ravel has a 40-year-old barbecue sandwich from Augusta in a glass case in his collectibles room? Probably. Probably.

Definitely. Or maybe like probably a piece of the tree that almost killed someone would be more up his alley. Yeah. Yeah. There's been a death in Augusta. He's definitely got the death certificate. This person died in Augusta. I think, wait, was it the dude that like one of the first guys that started it?

killed himself in one of the lakes there. So he's got his noose. Yeah, he's got the he's got the bullet. Yeah. Okay, let's get to our interviews. We've got Max Homa and then Shane Bacon talking more Masters before we do that. Hey, dude. Hey, dude. Have you tried? Hey, dude shoes yet? They're unlike anything.

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Okay, here he is, our good friend, Max Homa. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very special guest, our good, good friend. It is tradition. It's Masters Week, so we have Max Homa with us. Max, thank you for coming on. Thank you for always showing up for the pod. I guess my first question is, how are you feeling? I'm feeling good. About the Dodgers. Sorry, you didn't let me finish. About the Dodgers.

Oh, we just lost a series, dude. Like, that's just unacceptable. Damn.

It's really unacceptable. They shouldn't ever lose a series. So pretty devastated to have lost our second game of the season. Hopefully 160 and two is still alive. Yeah, it'd be nice. Shohei is pretty damn good. That's got to feel good. Fuck, dude. He's so good. I was thinking about it. There's so rare that there's an athlete that has hype in certain games and actually like pulls it off. Bryce Harper does it a lot.

But Shohei, like last year, he needed, I think it was like two homers and a steal to get 50-50 or something. He had the greatest baseball game of all time. And then last week or early this week, he had his own bobblehead night, bottom of the ninth, first pitch, sent it, walk off. It's just like, how the fuck do you do this? He's got a great sense of the moment. And congrats on your Lakers, by the way. All things coming up, Max.

Dude, other than my own golf game, this shit is fucking on fire lately. Everything, everything. Maybe I needed to suck for my teams to thrive. I know Hank's enjoyed watching LeBron. It's been quite the ride this season. I did not think they were going to be that good. So this is kind of shocking. Yeah, yeah.

All right, so how's everything else going? I know it hasn't been the best start to the year. I actually have some things to pick you up if you want me to, if you want me to just hop right into it. Dude, hop in. Okay, all right. So I was looking it up. I have three different publications that called you a star or a superstar. So the Daily Express said, PGA superstar splits up with caddy on eve of Masters' statement issued. Okay.

Then the Irish star said Masters star issues emotional statement after splitting from caddy days before August. We can just pretend the other stuff isn't happening with just the star is what we're focusing on. And the Mirror US said PGA Tour star splits with long-term caddy just days before Masters. So that's pretty cool.

And those are three massive publications. Yeah. They are. I am subscribed to all three twice each. Yes. Yeah. No, that feels good. Okay. All those, those, those are great headlines. Also, also I did some deep dives into some stats.

Do you know that this year at the Valero, your last round that you played at the Valero, which is the tournament right before the Masters, you actually drove the ball farther than your last round at the Valero last year when you went and finished third in the Masters and higher driving accuracy this year than last year in your last round at the Valero. And last year, your last round of the Valero, you shot a 70. This year, 71. So kind of right there.

I've honestly been looking for some momentum and I can't lie. That is absolutely what I've been looking for. The only hard difference is my last round of Valero last year was on a Sunday and this year was a Friday. Last round. You missed the part where we had the last round. Last round is last round. This is what I've been missing.

Yeah, you're a superstar that's like, actually, you could say playing your best golf right now. And you're probably exhausted last year because you had to play twice as much golf the weekend before. True. Good point. That's dude all season. I don't think people people use this chestnut checkers things way too liberally. I am actually doing I am the freshest person here. I have not played a weekend and over of like a month and a half.

and I have been getting more rest, more time on my couch. Like, all these guys are going to be exhausted by the time the tournament comes, and I am just cruising on it. I love that. So this might be a dumb question, but if we're trying to find silver lining here, are you at a point where you're able to just say, fuck it this week? Like, are we going to see fuck it max? My wife kind of pointed out, she goes, this kind of just feels like a golf tournament this year. I was like, yeah, it does. There's not a whole lot of hype for myself. So maybe it is just...

uh, flyer into the radar. Um, yeah, I think it's a good spot. Yeah. Also, here's a little tip for you. If things don't go well this week, just get your kid and put them on, on your lap for your interview. Use them as a human shield. That always works. Work for Nick Sirianni. I have learned that from Sirianni. Uh, the, the press conference is genius. I wrote it down. I said, if you ever struggling, uh,

human shield the kid he'll he won't remember he's too young right so i think that's that's that's always a play yeah yeah hank you have a question he does later you're getting real hank was getting real close to the mic with an open mouth so that's my cue that maybe i have questions i can wait yeah he's gonna wait he has a couple questions all right so let's talk about it for real though because obviously it hasn't gone great uh you're split with joe sucks uh like i i mean it

I don't want to have you talk at length about it, but how did that conversation go? It had to have sucked. You guys have been childhood friends. You've been together forever. But was it something that you kind of felt like, all right, I got to change something. He probably feels it. We both feel it. And it's just like this is just the part of the game because everyone kind of goes through this. Yeah. First and foremost, I didn't do it. So that was hard. I wasn't like...

massively shocked because it's obviously been really hard on him. But it's just, it's tough. I always promised that we were like friends first. And if he didn't want to do it, like he obviously, like I'd rather be his friend than like stretch something out and like maybe we resent each other or whatever. So looking back now, it was tough the first few days to like process, but yeah,

looking back, like, I'm glad that, you know, he stepped up and did what he wanted to so that, you know, we won't, we don't have any, like, ill will, uh, against each other. So I think that was good. But I mean, it does suck. Like the dude is one of my favorite people on the planet. We've made like some awesome memories. Um, so you don't ever want to like sully that, but it, uh,

Yeah, I guess it's just the ebbs and flows of life in this game, and it's stressful. And I think a lot of it, you know, we get shown so much and

you know, we're making bogeys and birdies, but like, there's a, we have a teammate that's going through it as well. And they don't have near as much control over if I'm doing well, he could have the best week of his like career as far as just like saying the right things and doing everything right. But if I'm not executing, it doesn't reflect well on him. And I, you know, I, that's, it's a tough job. And, um, but it does, it just sucks. But, um, like I said, it's,

I'm proud and happy that he spoke up when, when he felt that, because, um, you know, you don't want to, like I said, drag someone and ruin our relationship for, I mean, it's been 28 years I've known him. So, um, now we can just go back to, to being boys playing golf at home. Um, and

And I still want to beat his ass when we play at home. So nothing's really changed too much. I just might see him a little bit less. Was there a part of you in the first couple days after where you like wanted to send him a text being like, why couldn't you just cheat it on me? Like, why couldn't I call you with like another guy's bag or something like that would have been easier that way?

Yeah, honestly, that would actually have been pretty awesome. He actually caddied the weekend at the Players, and I had to see it on TV. Like, I caught you, bitch. Makes it a little less messy. Now, your new caddie, how's he with people? I think the AWLs don't yell anything anymore, which I hope they've fallen in line, but have you given him any briefing with that?

I have not. There was a great AWL contingent last week in San Antonio, and I heard some spicy meatballs, and I keep waiting for him to ask me, but I'm going to wait for him to ask before I bring it up. This week won't be a good one for him to know because I don't think anyone's got the guts to yell here. Yeah.

But next week is the two-year anniversary of that lady calling me a pervert and Joe wanted to lose his mind. That's when he started his hiatus against you guys. So I think we might have some explaining next week, but I'm waiting for him to ask. What's the process like for finding a new caddy? How do you evaluate the guy and be like, I think you could work with me?

Yeah, it's kind of messed up because I got like, you know, since it wasn't obviously, like I said, my idea, I hadn't really like thought about it at all. I called, uh,

I thought about it for a while. It's kind of a weird time of year because like this doesn't it's not, you know, sometimes in the offseason, there's like a always seems to be like a mass exodus and there's some shifts going on. But I called Bones, who's like one of the greatest caddies, if not the greatest caddy of all time. Legend won a bunch of majors and all that. And I called him for advice. I was like, what do you think I should do? Who should I?

hire and he mentioned my caddies Bill Harkey and he's like I think you should call Bill and I've actually had Bill filled in for Joe once when Joe had something going on a year or two ago and I don't it just had slipped my mind so it was like perfect advice so gave Bill a call fortunately he was free and yeah last week obviously didn't go great with the actual scores but

I thought the vibe was really good. We got along. It's tough because he's a Bay Area guy, so he likes the Giants and the Warriors. So that's like a bit of a...

of a clash, but it does give me a reason to like talk shit to him. And I think I am at my best when I'm talking shit. So I need, I need my teams to keep being good and the giants to keep sucking. Although they're kind of good this year. And I think that might, that might, that might be like the catalyst. Yeah. Did the, did the thought cross your mind? You know, Jersey Jerry's got some caddying experience. No, no. Okay. BM me, Matt. What'd he say?

Remember, I think I texted you, Big Cat. He DM'd me. He goes, hey, Matt, I would love to catty for you sometime. And I texted you something about Gary texted me. And you're like, oh, I did tell him that you go by Matt. I'm pretty out on that. Nice guy, funny guy. I don't think we would work too well together. He seems...

He seems like a liability. Yes. At least at Augusta. There's just no way they'd let him in here. No. Yeah. Can you vape at Augusta? That might be a breaking point for him. I don't know. I think any question you have, Jerry would find out within the first day on Monday. Yeah. Yeah. You also, like, it would definitely, by day two, you would have to carry your own bag because Jerry would be like, my legs hurt too much. 100%. Yeah.

I'll still be here with you. That's a fact. Yeah. All right. So, obviously, the game, we're working on stuff. You made a lot of changes because you have the caddy change. You changed your swing coach, right? I've changed damn near everything. Yeah, it's been chaotic. Clubs, coach, trainer, caddy, clothes. Okay. Yeah.

I kept my beard. Somebody told me to shave, go back to the mustache. They thought that might fix it, but I just thought that that was just too much. That would be one change too many. Maybe just a soul patch? That would also bring back the pervert comments. Exactly. I feel like that's dying down, and I just can't make that. Although when that was going on, I was playing pretty fucking well. Oh, don't say that. Listen. I don't want to bring it back, but it just, I mean...

If you want to. It's like I sacrificed it and it went wrong. Yeah. Listen, we can hit the nuclear code, but we're not going to. But you just tell us. If you give us the word. I think I need that pressure on me to play well without having to hit that button because I don't want that at all. Yes. But.

But like, just maybe I need to know that if that, if it comes to it, like we might need to do it. Maybe that will motivate me better than just supporting my family and eating food. Yeah. We're happy to threaten you with that as much as you need. Just, just know that we might do it. We might go like Hank might go rogue and be like, okay, it's time to, let's go back to the old us. Let's go. I gotta, I gotta tell y'all a story. I don't think I've told you guys. I think it was last year.

at Bay Hill is the tournament it's Arnold Palmer's tournament and every year we get there I'm always like reminded from his stories how good he was with the fans and sometimes you know I can get my head down I hope I haven't told you guys this already and uh so I was like you know what I'm gonna do better I'm gonna you know be more open you know when I'm playing and whatever and on Wednesday I'm signing autographs walk into uh

between holes and this older guy comes up, he goes, "Hey, do you mind signing something for my son?" And you typically don't personalize stuff 'cause one, you can just write their name on it and they will never know it wasn't me.

But he asked me to do it. I was like, you know what? I'm going to turn a new leaf. So I said, yeah, what's your son's name? And he says, whatever. And I write, dear him. And then his dad's like, yeah, can you just say, you know, happy birthday, so-and-so from your favorite pervert. And I'm like writing all this as I go. And I get to that and I just stopped. I'm like, here you go, man. Like, did you hear what you just said? Like to an adult person.

And I just had to leave. I was like, that shows you why you don't turn new leads. You just keep it the same. That's incredible. This guy was 60. He has no idea what's going on. He didn't even second guess his son. Oh, that's amazing. So with all the changes, do you feel –

I've read some of the stuff you talked, and the one thing that I always give you credit for is, like, you were very open about what you're going through and trying to figure it all out. Do you feel like you're starting to turn a corner with all this change? Because it is a lot of change. Yeah, the change actually hasn't – it's just been the swing changes, and, like, it's complicated –

like to explain because I mean people think I'm crazy I think my wife thinks I'm nuts but it feels incredible um like it it's feel it's felt better and better every week there's little things in like tournaments that it's just I don't trust things and like I have new misses and you know golf is you know the cliche is it's a game of misses so you kind of play off like you know I typically always miss the ball right like my whole career and now it's been less of that but I have like this feeling

It's like a subconscious fear of right so it's like trying to just get comfy But like I literally just played the front nine at Augusta about three hours ago. I had the craziest day ever I shot like seven under and nine holes. I know it's I know it's in there But I've been doing that a decent amount Just in practice like last week my practice Monday to Wednesday was a joke and then I go out there and I'm four over through four in the tournament when it matters so all this to be said

Uh, it does feel good, but I mean, obviously it's got to show up when it actually matters at some point, but, uh, it's not for lack of effort. Uh, and I don't mind, you know, talking about it and being vulnerable, vulnerable about it. Cause I do know that, um, you know, some people like to just play cool and, you know,

just avoid it. But I do think that you owe stuff to the fans at times. And I've been really lucky to have some pretty awesome support from everybody, especially, you know, through you guys and the AWL. So I don't, I mean, it doesn't like hurt me to talk about what I'm going through. I know I'm trying my ass off to not suck. And, uh, I do think that's important, but it does suck to suck. So at some point, hopefully this flips around, hopefully this week, um, hopefully,

I didn't necessarily prove I could win, as you always ask about this tournament, but I can sure as shit get third. Yeah. And third sounds okay right about now. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like we're close if you're shooting seven under on a practice round. Yeah. Just for nine holes. We're very close, Matt. Yeah, and also, I would imagine, like, I know obviously you have to do it on the weekend, and you have to do it in the tournament, but I would imagine that it's a lot better –

of a problem when you know that you can do it in practice and then it's maybe not showing up versus like if you just sucked in practice too yeah that would probably be like holy shit do i just suck at golf now that was that was kind of the whole thing of last year like pretty much after augusta right after may like every week my practice wasn't very good i wasn't playing well at home and it felt like when i got to the start of the round on thursday like i i was

if it didn't go well like I kind of knew it wasn't going to because I just like didn't really feel good about it um I could piece some things together here and there but it wasn't good and then kind of early this year through like the middle of January it felt similar where it just was like is just didn't feel great and then it clicked around it clicked at the waste management in Phoenix again I I grasp this all sounds crazy because I've missed all these cuts since but

but I started to feel good. And when I was home, it felt good. And some practice rounds were really good. And,

Like, definitely haven't felt like that. It's more frustrating, I guess, in a way, because when I do go to Thursday, I'm like super jazzed to play. And then I bogey the first few and I'm in the same exact spot. But I see the light at the end of the tunnel. I just think the tunnel is like really, really long, like way too long. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I think you think that you're close. I believe you.

Hey, thank you. I want this to be the weekend. That'd be great if this was like the start of the turnaround for Max. That sounds so nice. Think about that. If you finish top 10, you have to come back on the show on Monday. Dude, 100%. I'll take that as like a victory lap at this point. All right, deal. So one of the big changes at Augusta this year is the app, the Masters app, the best app in sports. I assume that you download the app before you go there. We're going to get to see every single shot from the range sessions.

Oh, for real? Yeah.

I've rarely done the latter. I've had some surprisingly good rounds after having terrible warm-up sessions, arranged sessions, but never the best round. I also have had the best range sessions of my life and then gone out and laid an egg. So I'm not a good one to...

based that off of, I do know there's some guys I've seen Justin Thomas do it. Uh, I remember he walked off a range in Chicago, like four or five years ago at the BMW. And he, I went to go say hi to him and he was white as a ghost. And I was like, man, that must've been a bad warmup. And then he went out and shot something like 62. And I,

And I texted him like a couple of days after I was like, what the hell dude? Like you look like you were going to cry. He goes, that was the worst warmup I've ever had in my life. And he ended up winning the golf tournament. I'm not quite like, I can't, I haven't quite done that one yet. So definitely like I need in a way, some kind of good juju as the warmup goes, but I've seen some guys hit some awful golf shots and you go out and you think to yourself, oh, he's got, he doesn't have it. And you look at the leaderboard and he'll be right near the top. So yeah,

I think it's, uh, it's to each their own on that one. What do you think about when you're practicing on the range, when you're getting ready for a round? Because when I go out there, I'm like, I'll hit, uh, like four shots with every club and then hope that maybe like two out of the four look like golf shots. They go up. Yeah. They're relatively straight. Then they go like kind of far. That's what I'm hoping for. What are you doing on the forward? Yeah. Forward's good. Uh,

I'm similar, man. I'll take maybe three out of four. Each club would be good. Maybe that's what I should do, PFT, is hit each every one of my golf clubs on the range and just start eliminating the ones that aren't working. Yeah, I'm more like... I run through a little bit of technique stuff, but then I try to just like... I work my way up towards driver, but I try to hit left to right, straight, right to left. And part of it is to get them...

clean and better. But also part of it is like, if one of those shots feels like shit, uh, try to like avoid it when I'm out on the course and then, you know, fix it, fix it in post for your guys' world. Um, but yeah, so it's just like kind of, somebody once said it, you're just kind of getting in the engine running, like don't look too much into it. Uh, try to take some away from it, but like,

Like you said, there's days where like my driver feels bad on the range and I'll go out on the course and strike the first few and it doesn't matter. So I think not attaching yourself too much to the range session is probably the key, although I'm not the greatest at that. Yeah. All right. So the other change you made, which I actually am a very big proponent of, I wish I could. I actually texted you right after. I was like, I'm jealous. You're off Twitter.

I'm kudos to you. I wish that we could do the same. Uh, it is our job. Uh,

uh you are so stuck it's a little different than like actually it would be it would be the same thing if i was like i'm i quit golfing and then you text me like dude i'm so jealous i wish i could so we yeah we can't quit twitter but so you're off twitter and some things have happened in last month so i compiled just a list of things that you missed and i if you wanted to just be aware of them so that way you have a little bit of a base knowledge uh because you're not on i didn't even know about this app so hit

Yeah. Okay. All right. So there's this dude, Ashton Hall, who does these videos where he's on TikTok. Okay. All right. So you're on TikTok. So you got him. I saw that guy. Weird thing. Also a TikTok guy. Have you seen the DoorDash guy that he kicks the DoorDash order and then he gives the DoorDash person, the delivery person, a bunch of cash? Yeah.

And then he whispers to him, I have four dead bodies in my basement. And then the person's like, all right, cool, dude. You gave me the cash. I'm not going to tell anyone. They're pretty cool. I'll send you one of those. That one's wild. Yeah, wild, wild.

Let's see. I saw a guy get trampled to death by an elephant. That was fucking crazy. Yeah. Dude, the murder stuff on X, the Everything app, has gotten a little... That was definitely a part of the departure. Yeah. Yeah. That's part of the Everything. Yeah, that is the Everything. I guess they're not lying. It's Everything. Rizzler threw out the first pitch at the Mets game. And?

Pretty good pitch I actually didn't see that He's the kid right Yeah Minecraft is like a big thing Everyone's just talking about it I still don't get that I don't really know what that is I'm okay with that too Torpedo bats

Yeah, I've noticed that one. Nine home runs first game. Yep, you got that one. Could you imagine Otani with a torpedo bat? Would be sick. I got my account suspended because I pretended to be hacked.

Oh, I heard. I mean, I do get that on the pod. Yeah. I think PFT, you said it was the boy who cried wolf. Yeah. He had pretended to get hacked so much that when he actually got hacked, nobody believed it. His account actually got shut down. It was poetic. Yeah. And then Rico Bosco drove a Greyhound bus. Well, he rode a Greyhound bus from New York to San Antonio. You probably missed that because you weren't on Twitter. For real? Yeah. Yeah. He lost a bet. Cool.

Oh shit. Max had to be stoked. Yeah. Oh, he was very excited. So pretty much what this exercise was, you've made the right decision. You have missed absolutely nothing. Well, outside of maybe Rizzler, Rizzler, the Mets game, that one, you should have Max for the, for the last like three months, we've all been pretending that the sec sucks at basketball because they have a 500 record.

yeah so you missed out on that one i can't i can't live in a world where they're they're good at football and basketball it's it's painful it's bullshit yeah yeah so you missed nothing so good job getting off twitter i i'm very jealous that felt nice yeah yeah yeah like when you it's one of those things where if you leave the internet for an hour you feel like you missed everything and then if you leave the internet for a week you're like oh i didn't miss shit like

nothing really happened. You know how nice it is to have someone come up to me or text me a video and be like...

look at this video and me not have to lie and be like oh wow so funny i didn't totally didn't see that three days ago i knew it before i even opened it like it's got embarrassing at some point my wife and i talk about the videos now she'll be you'll never believe this and i'm like no you're right i would not have ever known that instead of lying and being like oh no i didn't say i saw that while i was driving yeah yeah right so you also get to hear people explain to you internet stories and they they have to explain to you why they're important

And it always takes like 30 seconds. Whoever the new Rizzler becomes at some point, I want to meet somebody who has to explain that guy to me. Yes, yes. Because explaining the Rizzler to common folk is very difficult to do.

do it's a you you can't it's a it's a no win and then if you start to talk about how his dad's not the costco guy yeah that's you always have to have that conversation too it's like oh now i get it that's his son actually no he has a son no and he's that guy uh hank do you have any quasi adopted this do you have any questions for our dear friend matt

Yeah, Matt. Hey, what's up? Big fan. Just call him Matt with a P. Matt. Love what you're doing over on TikTok. I just had my personal golf game. Something I've been working on this upcoming season is maybe taking more club and having a little more control than trying to hit the perfect number. And I just wanted to get your thoughts on that going into the year. Good question.

That is a great question. That was way more serious than I thought. That's awesome. That is awesome. There's a saying when it's breezy, swing easy. So just imply employ that no matter if it's not windy at all. Does any of this have to do with the fact that PFT bombs it by you and then you felt for a while like you needed to have an ego?

Yeah, only on the driver, but yeah, definitely. I mean, it's more I'm just trying to eliminate the big mistakes and just trying to hit consistent shots. What do you mean only on the driver? That's the only club that I hit farther than you? Well, consistent. I mean, you can't really hit.

That's fair. I quit playing golf. I'm only focusing on driving. Wait, it sounds like he hits all of the clubs two out of four times very well. That's a good point. He also, yeah, his distance, he hits it far, but it's usually like 20 feet over the green, but that's... Yeah, and I always feel awesome. I'm like, damn, I clubbed down on that one and went too far. Yeah.

That's actually the best way to play golf. I've always said, Max, that it's way better to suck at golf than it is to be really good at golf. Because if you're really good at golf, you hit one bad shot and you're like, fuck, and you get super pissed off. I suck at golf. If I hit one shot that looks like a golf shot per hole, I'm like, this is awesome. Playing golf is so much fun. Yeah. I've been trying to do that. When I hit a really good shot, I'll just sit there and look around at my team and be like, let's just soak that one in, huh?

Yeah. It's such a, it's such a pure piece of joy. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. I do miss that. Hank, I think you're on the right track though. I respect that. You've come to that. That, that is how I would say the, that's the road to good is to eliminate the big mistakes by not over swinging. I love that. Also implying that you're not good right now. Yeah.

I'm not. You're on the road to good. Another question. You and I, back in the day, used to run around for dance collecting win after win in Call of Duty. We're back. The map came back. I was curious if you're going to get back into the game.

I'm 100% getting back. I have one more tournament after next week, and I will be back. Two of my buddies are coming this week, and they're like my crew. I play with Josh and Steven and Zach. And Josh, he's never come here before, and he texts me. He goes, dude, is it cool if I bring the Xbox and we game in the living room? And I'm like, no, dude, that's like straight up not cool. Like, come on.

I have my whole family here. I have my wife's friends here. I also have to sleep. So we're not going to rip. Also, outside of him taking over your rental house in Augusta to play Call of Duty, I would be like, it's not cool because I would just be pissed I'm not playing with you guys. Also, that would be a practice and they wouldn't even come to the range with me. They'll just fucking be gaming. Yeah.

I love that. That's so funny. That guy, wait, that was Josh who said that? Yeah. Josh rocks. Dude's rock. Josh, you're welcome to play with Hank anytime because that guy, he's got his priorities set.

No, his priorities are always in check. He is definitely – usually my buddy Steven, he comes every year, is my wife's punching bag, and I guarantee you Josh takes over that this year. That's so funny. Max, one thing that Hank is good at in golf is putting. He's become a good putter. Hell, yeah. I don't know if we've asked you this question before, but I'm always curious to know, like, at Augusta, if you dropped someone who's on the road to good, like Hank –

but maybe a decent putter. If he got to start every hole at Augusta from the furthest point away from the hole on the green, so he just has to putt, what do you think a guy like Hank would shoot? Shit. Like how hard are these greens? If you got to actually place it on like what's the worst spot you could go to? Yeah, the farthest spot every time. Farthest or worst, depending on the hole. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, shit. I mean, he wouldn't shoot like in the 80s, but...

How many times do you think you're going off the green? Like, like more than half early. I think you would catch on, but early you're probably sitting at like a 60, 40. No, that's too high. Like a 40, 60 rate. I just think you would three putt like a lot and you might sprinkle in a four, but I do think you would two putt as the day went on. Cause not every green's crazy.

But you would just, I mean, that's a thing I would never suggest doing that. That would, that would humble you. That would kill that. That would suck. Yeah. Cause you would start on the green and still be making threes and fours a lot. So that would be tough. Yeah. That'd be a good video. Yeah. Hey, Augusta, you let, you let dude perfect go down there with your tennis rackets. Yeah. What the hell? Laser tag and shit on the fairways down there. Just let Hank putt. Yeah. Let Hank putt. I like that. Uh,

All right, Max, I got one last question. It's been fun catching up with you. Ready to go. You have one last. I have one favorite hole. All right. Favorite hole. Fuck it. We did this last time. Yeah. But do you have a new favorite?

I can't get stuck in the same position as I was last time. So I'm just going to say the 13th hole at Augusta, the golf hole. Okay. No, the actual correct answer is mouth. Mine's the vagina. Yeah, I know. I wrote it down after the past years, but...

Didn't have the guts. All right, my last question, Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase, Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Roback.com, promo code TAKE. Real question, so you're competing this week in the Masters. PFD and I are actually competing in a similar –

you know, tournament. We're in the mini, the Barstool mini golf tournament that is taking place. Oh, you did that last year, right? Yeah. So, so PFT and I are on the same team. We're doing teams during Ryder cup style. I am a, I am quintessential like start hot and then just slowly like fade away and just become a head case. Are there any tips for putting and just not being an asshole at the end of the rounds? Like I usually am. Yeah.

I don't know if I'm the right guy to ask. No, you are. It's mini golf. Dude, the best advice for the mini golf thing is just like be... Sorry, guys. My phone was dying. I'm just on the move. Be... What the fuck? Hold on, guys. We're about to have a... A problem. We'll keep this in. Phone's about to die. Here, let's try this one by the toaster. It'd be funny if Josh was already there and he already fucked up a breaker. Yeah, he probably short-circuited his joints.

creativity dude just be creative be a kid again you know mini golf is for kids i'm gonna be i'm gonna become a kid again i'm gonna become a kid again do you have any uh do you have any like funny one-liners that you can say when you're putting because i i feel like i've heard them all there's always an old guy on the course that's like the putts like my my junior prom all lips no hole you know that sort of thing really get the boys laughing out there

That's a pretty much a banger. There's some, like, if you hit one, didn't feel great, you say, and it goes in a decent spot, you say something like, that's a condom, it didn't feel great, but it's safe. That one usually gets a couple chuckles. Yeah. The junior prom one's, like, all time, though. I don't know really how you beat that one. PFC, you're the jokes guy. I feel like you should start your own first one. Okay.

I could, yeah. Tell you what, I'll write a couple bangers for it. I think it was actually when we were walking with you at the BMW here in Chicago, there was one of the guys that was in your pro-am. Yes. And he said that joke, I think, four times in six holes. He kept saying it, but there were different people around him, so he got to do the material again. Dude, he got to live the most...

genuine laugh. Yeah. New people. Yeah. That's the tough part about these programs is they, I mean, golf doesn't have like loads of jokes or lots of funny people. And we abused the same joke over and over, over again. So you should be our hero and please give us a new joke. Okay. Left at a foot short story in my life. Oh, that's a good one. Cause I'll get some, like, you don't want to, if only I had a couple more inches. Yeah. I mean,

Yeah. You don't want, you don't want to have any really funny jokes. They all have to be like, just kind of neutrally funny. Yeah. Just like a quick laugh and we move on. Yeah. Okay. They're all like that. Did you get that? Right. Yeah. You guys get it. And then everyone's like, yes, I'll get in the lab, but then they take it and do the same thing. Yeah. It's all good. Um, all right, Max, you're the best man. Uh,

Thank you. And let's go. Let's go. Let's go fucking shoot some some low scores at Augusta. Let's talk the fucking world. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. You can do it. Yeah, just maybe maybe put like a picture of Shohei in your wallet and just look at him for inspiration. Like if he can be so awesome, so can I. Would the golf equivalent of Shohei be like a guy that can pitch and hit?

Caddy and golf? Caddy and golf at the same time? It's a low bar. That's exactly right. We actually discussed that. It would be like Scotty Scheffler playing golf both right and left-handed and kicking our ass both ways. Yeah. I think it would just be you guys just not being pussies and carrying your own bag. It's that low of a bar. Oh, that's actually way simpler and also feels way shittier, but you're actually just not being a bitch. Yeah, just carry your bag. Or getting...

A federal investigation. We haven't had one of those, I don't think, out here. Yeah. We need to branch out. Yeah. All right. Thank you, Max. You're the best, man. And yeah, we're rooting for you. So let's go do it. Appreciate you guys. Hey, I love you guys. Love you too, Max. Love you too, Max. You're going to be great. See ya.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest. It is one of the, it actually is the best week of golf of the year. It is Masters Week. We have Shane Bacon here. Shane will be on one of the feeds for Masters.com all week, so make sure you check that out. Shane, Masters Week, there's nothing better. How are the vibes? Are you in Augusta already?

Yeah, in Augusta, vibes are high. Weather yesterday, not ideal. Obviously, it rained just like all afternoon, all evening, kind of rained into the night. But I think the weather the rest of the week is going to be pretty epic. So vibes are high. Rory's all fired up. A lot of players very, very excited about Augusta.

about what the golf course looks like and how it's going to play. Obviously had some, some damage from, uh, some of the weather, you know, like late last year, but I think the golf course is actually going to play a little bit better because of it. Okay. I like to hear that because we were saying, uh, like there's nothing that bums you out more than like looking at the forecast and master's week and seeing like a day where it's going to be, you know, they're not going to play or the rain's going to affect it. So that's great. Uh,

Now, I don't know what direction we want to go in. I guess actually the most interesting storyline to me is this does feel, and you can judge this statement, this feels like this is going to be one of the best chances that Rory McIlroy has to win the Masters because he is playing really good golf.

Where is it mentally, though? Because that's kind of it for Rory the last few years where it's he's it's not that he's been playing bad. It's that these, you know, tragic things keep happening at the end of championships or big tournaments. Is it is it there in between the ears for Rory this week?

You know, it feels like it is. You know, Rory, when he was winning major championships, he was kind of the badass, if you will, that walked around the golf course. And I think Rory is such a normal person that as he's gotten a little bit older, he's lost a little bit of that. And it seems like it's back this year. I mean, just the way, even at the players, you know, he kind of loses the lead late, steps up in that playoff and hits like a 335-yard drive right down the middle. And it's like, yo, bro, come and catch me now. So, I don't know.

I like the way he's gone about his business this year. I like the way he's talking. He gets very excited about this tournament. I think a few years ago, you know, he holds that bunker shot and said it's the first positive vibes I've had here in about a decade. And obviously the game is there. I mean, I think that's more important even than the mental side of it is are you playing well? He's never won this many times

on the PGA Tour headed into the Masters. And I mean, I think he's the favorite. You know, you can say Scottie's the favorite. Obviously, Scottie's done some epic stuff over the last couple years. But just in terms of playing good golf, Rory's playing as good at golf in the early part of the season as he's ever played. Yeah, and stealing people's phones. That's the edge. That's the asshole Rory that maybe needs to come back. Tough to do it here, though. You know, tough spot to steal phones.

That's true. That might throw him off, but it is maybe the most epic scenery ever to speed away after a disappointing loss, right? Like just peeling out down Magnolia Lane.

Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming you still have to abide by whatever the speed limit is down that road. Not in Georgia. Kirby Smart would disagree. Yeah, that's true. So I had a question for you because I saw a journalist that's down there that had an interesting take on the scenery and the vibe at Augusta. I wanted to get your thoughts on it. This individual said not a single food item at Augusta National would get attention were it not for the cheap price. What would you score that take?

It's a really bad take. Was that Ravel that said that? Yeah. I don't know. That's a bad one. It's a pretty brutal one. I mean, you know, like I sit in this booth here for six or seven hours a day starting on Thursday. I will have three pimento cheese sandwiches a day likely. That's where I lean. I know you've had one before, PFT, but, you know, I –

I think the food is great, and I think the ice cream sandwich is one of the best ice cream sandwiches in the world. And obviously the prices help, but you'd eat this stuff away from the golf course. You'd eat this stuff away from the Masters. Yeah, it's tough to make a bad pimento cheese sandwich too. So as long as it's fresh, then I think we're good. Yeah, it's like a cheese quesadilla. If you mess that up, maybe don't cook.

Yeah, right. Exactly. Go ahead. I was just going to ask an actual question about a golfer. Jon Rahm is a guy that I'm keeping my eyes on. So according to, I think, the World Golf Rankings, he's not playing good golf right now. But when you look at how he's actually been playing, when you watch him play, it seems like he's very capable of winning. Do you think that Jon Rahm has a chance to come back and win again?

Absolutely. I mean, I think he's probably in my top three favorites heading into this week. Interesting fact about Jon Rahm. He's played 18 live events in his career, never finished outside the top 10. Now, you know, it's not as deep fields as you obviously can see on the PGA Tour at major championships, but top 10s are top 10s, and you're beating a lot of people in that regard. He's played solid this season as well. I think last year, in terms of the way Jon Rahm had to go about his business, joining live, comes to all the majors. He even talked about it today in his press conference.

It was awkward. I mean, and it was awkward for him to be answering those kind of pre-tournament questions always about why'd you leave and things like that. This year, it seems a little calmer for everybody involved. Obviously, a lot of stuff on the background happening. But in terms of the players, I don't think anybody really cares anymore where you play. You play live, you play PGA Tour, whatever the case may be. Come here and show up and do what you're able to do. And I mean, Jon Rahm is the type of golfer, you know, players that play well at Augusta play well at Augusta.

I know that seems like a simple statement, but the Jordan Speeds and the Scotty Schefflers and the Jack Nicklases and the Tiger Woods and the Phil Mickelsons, these people show up whether they're in form or not, and they typically have good weeks. Jon Rahm's one of those players that shows up at Augusta and is going to play well simply because his game fits his golf course

as well as anybody in the field. Yeah. The other storyline I thought of was, you know, Tiger Woods, such a force of nature in golf for the last 20 years. Even when he's not playing and he's missed some Masters, he's still, you know, talked about. But this does feel like the first year where it's,

I don't want to say it's over because I hope he plays again, but it does feel kind of over where it's like, you know, the Achilles injury and he already was already banged up and the leg problems. Is it, can you feel that vibe where it's like that force of nature is no longer here and it really is now the young guys and it's Scotty and it's Rory and it's John Rahm and all these guys. Yeah. I mean, this is the opposite of the Revell take, by the way, big cat. This is a very good take on your behalf and I'm proud of you for it. Big J journalism stuff.

He sucks up a lot of oxygen at golf tournaments, major championships, whatever the case may be. We don't see him play a lot of golf, so when he shows up at the Masters, it's a big deal. People want to watch Tiger play golf. I have some friends that are coming for the first time this year, and the moment he announced the injury, it's like, oh man, I was so excited to watch Tiger. That being said...

I think the focus right now is so much on Rory, Scotty, everybody else, so many young players, as you said, Big Cat. Can Ludwig play like he did last year? I think people are kind of anticipating what to see for Max Homa this year at Augusta. Obviously, he's not playing his best golf, but he played so well here a year ago. Those players are popular.

You know, Victor Hovland's popular. Xander Shoffley's popular. John Rahm's popular. And I think right now the focus moves away from what are we going to see from this guy we hadn't seen play golf in eight months to let's watch the best players really when the gun goes off, how they're going to be able to go about their business. Yeah. Yeah. Ludwig Eberich. He played really, really well last year. He had a great chance on Sunday until the back nine.

Hank says that no, he cannot play well at Augusta. Hold on, we've got to put on Hank's mic. Hank disagrees. Nope. You shook your head no. Fact or fiction? Hank not going to win? I'm just curious. No, I would like him to win. I'm just curious why his odds have been dropping so much this week.

Just been playing bad golf. He's just been missing cuts and he hasn't been very consistent. You know, he's one of those guys like when it's dialed, he's extremely consistent and he's been extremely inconsistent this season. And I think when that's the case, it's hard to dive into a guy considering the way some of the other players are playing. I mean, we mentioned Rom. Obviously, Scottie has improved a bit and he's coming off his best putting performance in like 18 months.

I mean, that's a big deal for Scottie Scheffler considering the ball striking. You know, there's Rory and everybody's talking about Rory. Even Xander playing pretty well at the Valspar after the injury. I think there's so many players that are quote-unquote in form that it's hard to lean on a guy, even if he played well here a year ago, to Hank's point, when he's not playing great, those odds are going to kind of continue to decrease. How much stock do you put in, like, how the guys are playing going into the Masters? Or is it a tournament where everyone knows the course, everyone's played the course, that...

Yeah, you could be playing poorly. And then you show up and it's like, hey, we all know this course and we all are ready to go. Like, how much is it current form?

I think it's a big deal in terms of just the – you talked about the mental side of stuff for Rory. I think it's a huge deal for these players because, you know, this is the date they circle, just like we circle it, right? We're so excited for April, you know, March Madness ends, and we roll right into the Masters. These players think about this thing for six months, you know. So I think when you're not playing well and you get to Augusta and you're searching on the driving range and you're going through practice rounds hoping to find something, I think that's hard to kind of get into a mental state where when Thursday starts, you know,

People don't talk about how tough the first hole is at Augusta, right? I mean, you step on the first tee at St. Andrews or Pebble Beach, you know, it's a relatively friendly handshake. Augusta's first hole is one of the hardest first holes in all of golf. I'd say the only one that really rivals it is where they're playing the U.S. Open this year at Oakmont. Like, that first hole will kick you right in the tee, just like number one here at Augusta will. So when you're not in form and all of a sudden, you know, you're one over through three and you've got to play the toughest stretch of the golf course, four through six, all of a sudden you're four over, it's a hard place to make up ground. So I think

current form is as important as how you've played in this event over the years. So where are we at with Bryson and all this? Because I know that he's still, he's switching his ball, right? Like going into Augusta, he's not sure what ball he's going to be playing. That doesn't seem like a great time to, when you're like Bryson, you micromanage every single part of your game, not knowing what ball you're going to be hitting. It feels like it's a big red flag for me, but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think about that?

Yeah. I don't love Bryson this week, just simply because of form. I mean, to big cats point about Ludwig, I think the same thing really about the way Bryson plays. Now that being said, PFT, he's the same guy that changed his driver before the final round of the U S open last year and then still went on to win. So obviously he isn't scared to like change stuff up in the golf bag, but I'm not, I don't love Bryson at Augusta in general. I just don't think it's a great golf course for him. And I don't like him this week simply because of that. It's

There's too many touch shots around the green. There's too many of these little feely shots. Bryson's a power guy. He can overpower Augusta. I mean, you know, they famously said it's a par 67, but I think in terms of how you've got to go about your business on this golf course and what's succeeded over the years here, guys like Scotty, guys like John Rom, great hands around the greens, able to pitch the golf ball when they get in trouble. I don't think that's Bryson's strength. And I think that's one of the reasons that he can struggle. And, you know, another thing about somebody like Bryson, he's so technical.

You can't use any of that technical stuff, not even in practice rounds at Augusta. And I think that takes an arrow out of his quiver, if you will. Yeah. All right. So the touch shots, who outside of the usual suspects is a lead at those touch shots that gives them a better chance at Augusta? Maybe they don't drive it as long as everyone else, but who is the touch shot god or the guys right now that are playing the best around the greens like that?

Yeah, I mean, the best right now modern player, this is not going to shock you, is Scottie. I mean, the pitching and chipping is insane. Russell Henley's been great in that department. I think he's going to be my pick this year for the Masters. I think Russell Henley's kind of not just a sleeper, but he's having a great year. And I think he's one of those guys that can really lean on that part of his game. Great ball striker, which is important. But I like Sepp Straka a lot as well this week in terms of just players that are maybe away from those top five names.

that I think are playing in a level of form where they could show up here and do something special. And they've also kind of played well at Augusta before. I'm not going to take a guy that's finished 50th every time he's been here. But if you finished in the top 10 and you've had a couple of good finishes, I like your chances. And I think those are a couple of guys off the – you know, you look at the last few winners. It's like Scottie, Rom, Scottie, Hideki, DJ Tiger. Like these are big names. Occasionally you get a Patrick Reed or a Danny Willett or a player like that that wins at the Masters. And I would not be surprised if this is the year that happens.

All right. I have an advanced analytics department in my brain that picks my master's winner in the advanced analytics are just pick your friend. So I'm betting on Brooks again. Can he win it?

He can win it. And I figured you'd ask about Brooks, big cat. So I have something for you. He only finished, he's only had one season where he didn't finish in the top 10 in all four majors. That was in 2022. The next year, almost wins the Masters, wins the PGA. So I'm going to lean, since you're throwing a stat at me, I'll throw one right back at you. Played pretty poorly in the majors a season ago. But Brooks is one of those dudes that shows up and thinks he's the best player on the golf course. So I think Brooks,

Played well here before. Obviously, he's a guy that believes in what he's doing now. He was just hitting balls on the range a little bit ago, and he was kind of hitting these toe hooks that I do not like. But that's why the range is there. Okay. Yeah, so he can practice. That's one thing that I don't like about being able to see every range shot now on the app is that guys go out there and they fuck around. They work on new stuff. And then you look at that. You're like, oh, my God, he's shanking everything. I got to bet against this guy. It's like too much information.

Yeah. It might be overload. It's a little bit like with the odd stuff now, right? Where you could basically figure out anything that makes your bet seem like the smartest bet in the world. You know, I mean, there's a, you know, there's, there's like a million different things that tell you that Florida is going to win or Houston's going to win. Yeah, exactly. So, um, speaking of the course though, um,

What have we done in the past year that has changed at Augusta? What should we be on the lookout? The trees. Nothing, which is a bit of a surprise. I mean, they typically tinker a little bit with yardages or new tee boxes and stuff like that, and it's pretty much what it was. I mean, outside of...

the damage from the hurricane, it's going to be in play how it's played in the past. Now we had all that rain. So it'll be interesting to see if it plays a little softer on Thursday into Friday. But I imagine if we don't get the rain that they're talking about Friday afternoon, I think it'll be spicy, spicy on the weekend. What about the trees? Yeah. What about the trees? Somebody here said that the trees are different. There's going to be some different trees. I mean, obviously, like I said, the hurricane was bad in this area. And I mean, some trees came down, but not really any of the effect of golf course. John Rahm was at a

at a press conference and he said the one thing he was told he hadn't played the second nine yet in a practice round but he said the one thing he was told is you know 10 is that massive dogleg left right and like basically all the players these days hit three wood because they can't turn a driver over and he said he's heard that you can now squeeze it through a little window on the left side and cut it into the fairway and then the moment he said it he goes well they'll probably put a new tree up by uh by the first round because i i said something but really outside of

you know, trees behind 15 green that don't come into play. Nothing's really going to change in terms of the way the golf course plays. Yeah.

All right, that's good. I like that. I like a little tradition at Augusta. Don't make me learn new stuff every year there. I like to know the ins and the outs of the course. I just saw this morning they published the mowing reports. Are you a mowing report guy? I got that as well. I actually wrote the numbers down for you because I figured you'd like that, PFT. But, I mean, when the mowing report hits, you know it's Masters Week. Like, I'm ready for it. I'm ready to roll. Like, what length of the rough? What about the tees? All that stuff is incredibly important to all of us nerds. Yeah, any surprises in the mowing report?

No, no. The report was pretty solid. It's like they almost know what they're doing. You know, it's almost like they've mowed this place before. All right. Let's let's talk some long shots, some guys that no one's talking about, because obviously it is. You said it. You know, the big names have won this tournament. But if there were to be a name that is not someone that everyone's like, hey, look at this guy's playing great. Who do you have your eye on?

All right, so he's a long shot in terms of number, not a long shot in terms of history. I think Phil's got a chance. I think Phil has a legit chance this week. He's been playing some solid golf and kind of going back to like what plays well here is a great iron player and somebody that's excellent around the greens. I think Phil...

he finds himself in contention. It feels like every two years. So I think Phil, in terms of extreme long shots, I'm a big fan of his number this week. That would be so much fun. If Phil was in the mix, that would be awesome. Yeah. I need, you know what? I'll tell you this big cat. I like a lot of the live guys. Like I like Brooks. I like Sergio. I like Phil. This is Hank. This music to Hank's here. He he's a live head. Big time. I mean, it,

they're all playing well. I mean, if you watched a row on Sunday, I mean, all the guys hanging around the top of that leaderboard were basically flying up that night to Augusta. You know, it wasn't like the guys that aren't in the field. So I, I would be non-shocked if a live, if there were two or three live players like tied atop the leaderboard, you know, on the second nine. Cause Hank, well, last year, what'd you do? You did all live players to finish like top 20 and none of them did.

No, no, no. I did a round robin, 10 live players to finish top 20. I needed like four or five to make money. I think only three or four did. So I lost a little bit of money. I didn't make a lot of money. But my thinking is a lot of the live guys have won.

And the pressure on Sunday for a guy that's won, they've experienced before, they know what to do, they don't feel it as much as a guy that maybe hasn't won before, and all of a sudden they're playing Sunday at Augusta, shitting their pants a little bit. Yeah, I mean, Hank is such a diehard Liv fan. He knows the four aces off the top of his head, don't you? Yeah. Hank, what are they? It's Justin Johnson, Patrick Reed. Oh, no! We're stuck at two aces? You only have two aces! You have half of them. You have half of the aces?!

Yep. Come on, Hank. Even I know one of them. Hey, Shane, where are we with the Live PGA merger that was announced like a year ago that no one talks about anymore? HV3, come on. Who knows, dude? I mean, honestly, nobody knows. It's funny now, too, because the players get asked about it, and they're even like, nobody knows. Who knows? Nobody's telling us anything. We're just trying to play golf. And I think Jon Rahm answered a question in his press conference. They asked some questions at the end.

of the presser in Spanish. And he said, I just want to play with these guys more often, you know, it was basically his answer, but nobody knows. I mean, I feel like every week you hear rumors, but nothing changes. Nothing happens. What happened to the framework? I was told that we had a framework in place. Frame broke, man. I think the frame is like disintegrated. It fell on the ground. Like, I don't know what happened to the damn thing, but you know, I mean, like I,

I don't think Liv wants to go away, you know, and I think that's one of the important pieces of this. It's like Liv still wants to exist in terms of golf tournaments and team golf and things like that. And I don't think the PGA Tour is a big fan of that idea if they're going to merge. So I think, you know, for Liv, we don't want to lose everything we're doing. We understand the importance of merging, but that seems to be where everybody's stuck right now.

Yeah. What about the journalist lottery? When do we find out who gets to play Augusta? Oh, I think that, I think that drops Saturday. I think they normally announce that on Saturday, maybe around lunchtime. Have you played Augusta?

No, never gotten picked. Oh, man. How many journalists enter their names into the lottery every year? So everybody that hadn't played it, I think it's over the last seven years gets to put their name in. So let's, I would just say the number's probably around maybe 150 in the lottery. Now, I don't know how many get picked, but I'd say of the, let's say 300 people here working, I bet 150 put their names in. So, you know, if there's four groups or whatever, then, you know, you've probably got to,

8% chance or 6% chance or something. Okay. Yeah. Although it was very funny when they, they took somebody that had never played golf before last year.

I kind of like that. Yeah, that should be a tradition. We always ask about that around the U.S. Opens. Remember when Dave used to do that, when he would play the Mulligan U.S. Open game? And it's like, what are you going to shoot if you have unlimited Mulligans? It's like, what is a person that's never played golf going to shoot around this golf course, right? I mean, I think that's at least something we can compare the best players in the world to. Yeah, so we interviewed Max as well. He's going to be on this episode today.

And we asked him this, so we'll ask you this. If Hank started at the worst spot on every green and had to only putt, would he be in contention at the end of Sunday? So he's putting one on every green? He's putting one, but in the worst place it could possibly be, whether that's the farthest distance away or the place where it's the toughest with the breaks. I mean, does he have a caddy? No. No caddy.

Oh, uh, I think he could shoot even par or better. I think he could four putt every green. Okay. All right. Are there some that it would be like a disaster where like, is there a specific green on the course where it's like everyone knows there's one little spot and if you don't hit it, you're just fucked.

Yeah, like he would probably putt off the green on nine. He'd probably putt off the green on 13. He'd probably putt off the green on 15. So the key for him would be just to not putt it in the water. But I think, like I said, I think he's going to two-putt a couple, right, just by virtue of luck or making an eight-footer. I mean, I know you dog Hank's game a lot, but I mean, I've seen Hank make eight-footers on YouTube before, right? That's true. I mean, he's capable, if nothing else. Well, you've also seen him miss eight-footers.

Well, I've seen him miss a lot of those. But, I mean, I think, you know, just in general, he's going to eventually two-putt a green here or there, which picks you up a couple shots. I think he's in contention. I think he shoots a round-even par every round from the green. Okay. We got to make that happen at some point. Oh, man. What would it take, Augusta? All right, so if I said to you – or if I said to all the golfers –

You get to pick one club that is perfect for the Masters. Your shots on it, that specific club is just perfect all week. What club are they picking? This year it's probably the mini driver. That's going to be in a lot of bags. So basically the popularity of the mini drivers popped over the last couple years, and the idea is you can turn it over a little bit. And obviously right-handers at Augusta have got to hit that draw. I think you're going to see a ton of the mini drivers in the bags this week from a lot of players.

A lot of the tailor-made dudes, I think, are throwing them in there. And so I think that's going to be a really popular one. It also keeps you short of some of the runouts at 330, 340 with the long hitters can hit it there. So the mini driver be big and then like lob wedges. I mean, I think, you know, lob wedges are huge here because you want to get the ball up in the air around the greens because there's so much runoff. And I think the idea of throwing it up high with a lot of spin is what most of these modern players do.

Okay. Interesting. What do you think the winning score is this week? So I was looking. It's 11-12, 10-10 the last four years. So I think I'll go – I think with the rain, it'll be a little better than that. I'll probably go 13, I think, is the number I'm looking at. Okay. I love that. Yeah. It's relatively consistent. By the way, Big Cat, I had something for you. Your big Florida win last night. Yeah. Congrats, by the way. Thank you. I know you needed the money. So –

I need to finish a T20 last year at the Masters to make that much money. So you're kind of like a top 20 golfer in the world financially now. Yeah, unfortunately for that calculus, if we're putting in the whole March Madness experience, I missed the cut. But yes, if we're just based off the championship. And you had to pay for the houses and all that stuff. Yeah, exactly. If we're only basing it off the championship game,

then yeah, T20 feels good. I mean, under the bright lights, that's when it matters the most. One day, yeah. Sunday red. I turned the feet on with like, we were like at our rental house and I turned the feet on with about 30 seconds. I was like, I knew you had that bet. And I could only see your eyes. It was like, the hoodie kept getting smaller around your head. I actually didn't see, uh,

the final play in its like totality for like an hour after, cause I was only watching the top of the screen. So when I saw the ball, like go up and like him jump, I was like, Oh, he's about to hit this shot. Not realizing that he had traveled. So yeah, it was, yeah. All right. T20. I could, I can, I can rock with that. T20 feels good. That's on the great play last year at the Masters. I'm proud of you. Yeah. That's, that's very impressive. Nice purse. Uh,

I was curious about Max, our other good friend Max. Yep. So he is a guy that has played well at Augusta. You said that's very important, but he's also a guy that's not playing well right now, which you also say is important. So what would be a reasonable expectation for Max Homa at this year's Masters?

I think top 25 is reasonable for him. I think, again, you know, the thing, Max, I'm sure he told you guys this as well, but the thing he's been talking about is away from tournament golf, he's been playing well. Did he tell you what he shot on the first nine? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was on fire. Yeah, something like that. I think he said 700. Yeah, 700. Yeah, yeah.

Had a putt for 28, I think, on the ninth, which would be like the low nine holes ever at the Masters if he did that within the tournament. I mean, he's seen positives away from tournament golf. It's just not really working once he gets going. You know, for Max, it's about starts, man. I mean, he's got to get off to a good start. He's got to be able to shoot something around even or under par on the first nine on Thursday. I mean, I just think he's continued, and he knows this, he's continued to put himself

behind the eight ball early, and then he's got to make up ground, which he's been able to do. So if he can just somehow find something solid on Thursday to get things going, shoot even par for the day. I mean, even shoot one over. Um, I think there's an opportunity for him to run, but I think top 25 is reasonable. You know, he played, he played really well the first two days a year ago. And, um, and then it obviously got tougher on the weekend, but

I think he's going to make the cut, and I think top 25, top 20 makes sense. Yeah, we love that. Do you think that America is going to continue its dominance? Because, what, it's seven majors in a row that we've won? I think it stops here. I think it ends here. I think Rory or Rahm or Sepp or somebody like that does it. Lehman? Yeah.

I, that's kind of where I'm at is I think, I think the, I think the internationals are going to win this. I think probably a European is going to win it. And, um, there's the Europeans. I mean, the Ryder cup is what seven months. The Europeans are just like crushing it right now in golf. So, um, I think the theme continues. Yeah. But they're not ready for, for a long Island. Yeah. They're not ready for strong Island. Yeah.

for a bunch of dudes yelling at them. We're up a couple points just going into that simply because of the crowds, but they're trending. When you look at the bottom half of what the team might look like right now, their bottom half, if you will, the victors and guys like that, finding form finally like we've wanted them to, it

It's going to be very interesting to see if they kind of continue this run because, you know, if they're six through 12, to me feels like what the old USA was six through 12 against the internationals on the President's Cup. Like it was never the top half that we were dominant on. It was always the bottom half of that roster. And right now, kind of one through 12 on the Europeans seems very, very spicy for that crew. So even if you're a guy that maybe is sick of Scottie winning all the time, you should be rooting for Scottie just for that reason.

Because he's maybe our best chance. We hadn't talked about Morikawa. I mean, his stats, like Kyle Porter sent something out the other day, leads the world in strokes gained approach, leads the world in strokes gained ball striking, leads the world in strokes gained tee to green, and leads the world in strokes gained overall all in 2025.

I mean, this is a ball strikers golf course. So Colin Morikawa played well here a year ago. I think Scotty, Colin in terms of Americans are very, very high on the list. Can you educate us on what strokes gain means? I know that it's important and I know that it's good, but I don't know how they do it.

Yeah, it's an analytical deep dive into how players go against the rest of the field or the rest of the players in golf. So it's basically like what your stats, how your stats kind of match up against everybody else versus something like greens and regulation. That's you versus the golf course. BFT, I know you love the golf course. This is a little bit more like you against your peers. Got it. So it's like war.

strokes above replacement. Yeah. Strokes. Um, all right, Shane, I got one last question again, uh, tune in this week. Shane will be on, uh, feeds all week and weekend on the masters.com. Uh, all right. So row back question, RHO, BACK.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take, uh,

Two final questions for me. One, what is your favorite bet that isn't a winning bet? So it could be like top 20. It could be make or miss the cut. Something like that. Yeah, I like Phil top 20. I like Sergio top 20. I like both of those bets. I think you're getting around even for both of those. Maybe even a little bit of plus money. So I like both of those for sure. Okay, I like that. And then this is just something dumb that I always think about. The fact that you do in these tournaments, if

If you play morning on Thursday, then you play afternoon on Friday, afternoon on Thursday, morning on Friday. That always never made sense to me because it's like you basically have to turn around so fast if you're in the afternoon and then go to the morning. What do guys prefer? If weather is not a factor, what do they prefer?

I think younger guys like late early. I think they like the quick flip. And I also think if you're playing well, you want to get back out there quickly. And I think the older players prefer early late. So they get a little bit more of a break and they can sleep in. And Tiger famously was doing all the body work in the mornings on Fridays. So I think it depends on age. But I think

I think if you pulled players, you'd probably get 70, 80% would be kind of like go out late on Thursday, get right back out on the golf course on Friday morning. Yeah, although it would drive me nuts now that I'm thinking about it, playing early on Friday, not knowing what I need to score. Like, I feel like playing late on Friday where you're like, here, this is what I have to do to make the cut is maybe a little bit of advantage.

Yeah. And I think like this year, especially with the forecast on Friday, I think getting out there early on Friday would be preferred simply because if there are delays and stuff like that. Now, if you're a Friday late, your second round might bleed into Saturday and then you got to play a marathon day on Saturday in terms of golf if you make the cut. So I think for this year, especially with what we might see on Friday, I don't think it's a huge percentage, maybe like 30, 40 percent. But if there are going to be rain showers, at least if you're an early Friday guy, you can get your round in. Yeah.

I was reading the other day that if you win the Masters, you get to use the champion's driving range that not everybody else gets to use. Have you heard about this champion's driving range?

I don't know about the champions driving range. No, I mean, they all do. They all hit balls at the tournament practice area. The kind of new one over the last few years where they like it's the best range on the planet, by the way. I mean, they literally replicate greens that are on the golf course so that you can hit certain shots into greens and get an idea of what it's going to look like out on the golf course. But now I don't know about that one. I'll have to ask some of the some of the dudes back here that have played.

Yeah, because the thing I was reading... You might have just sent him on like a... Is there a basement in the Alamo? I might have. You're just walking around. Everyone's like, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Yeah, it's like a big... It's a big joke that they're playing. I did read, though, that there's a champion's driving range

But the champion's driving range isn't nearly as good as the regular driving range. So it's like, why would you want to use it? Just to be like, fuck you, I have access. Maybe if you're like an honorary starter, you go there because you don't hit it as far as you used to. Maybe that's like where you warm up. Yeah, that's true. That's actually a good point. That's probably why it's not as long. That's where those guys go, yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, Shane, thank you so much. Good luck this week in the lottery. We're rooting for you. We'd love to see you be able to play the course. And it's always fun having you on, so appreciate it so much. Thank you, guys. Good luck with the BetTank.

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Okay, we're going to do White Lotus at the end of the show. We have part of your take from the listeners. By the way, we did miss one. I should have used this for my hot seat. Cody Bellinger is out because he had bad wings. Yeah. The old Mark Titus injury. There have been some great baseball injuries this year. Being out because he ate chicken wings. Man card. Tough. Play the Joe Buck drop. Tough.

Gotta make it. Can't say it's the Wings. Guy like me, I only eat Wings. Never missed a podcast. Nope. Not a jinx. Okay. Hank. Wow, this is sad. I figured you guys would appreciate this. All four major sports leagues have apparently stopped making championship DVDs slash Blu-rays. Like you guys always say, this is the start of a championship DVD when my team has a big moment. The championship DVD is quintessential merch to buy when your team wins. Hate to see it looks like they're a thing of the past.

signed sad Eagles. What do they do now? This sucks. It's like championship YouTube link championship Instagram reel. That's crazy. You got to still make the DVD. We're still going to say championship DVD start of the DVD, right? Yeah, absolutely. We're not changing. It's like it makes us a boomer, but you either die millennial or you live long enough to be a boomer. We'll just accept it.

I don't give a fuck. People call him Boomer all the time. Who cares? You know who else they call Boomer? Chris Berman. What, Hank? It's a Boomer take. What, that you don't give a fuck? Who cares? Yeah, who cares? Is that Boomer? Do not care? What was it the other day? Oh, someone said my Duke hate was a Boomer take. What? No, that's just a kid that likes Duke. Yeah, that's also a kid that just doesn't understand how sports work. Yeah. Yeah.

I think that's my problem is that people use boomer take for things that are not even close to. I know when I have a boomer take. Saying championship DVD is a boomer take. They do that with cringe too. Yeah. It's just a word that they'll say that they think is going to hurt you. Right. Guess what? I don't give a fuck. It's lost all meaning because it gets thrown around too much. You overused it. You overplayed your hand. We took that word back. Yeah. Now that the Super Bowl and Final Four have wrapped up, I am curious to get your take on the best city for a finale to a sports season.

And maybe as a second layer of the best game, Super Bowl Final Four to be there for. Wait, what do you mean? Where it takes place? Yeah, best city. Best city for a finale to a sports season. I mean, Vegas. Vegas. I can personally attest. I like New Orleans. Stanley Cup in Vegas. Yeah. When your team wins. Like the Final Four in New Orleans would be better than Vegas. New Orleans is pretty sick. We did do the Final Four in New Orleans a couple years ago.

It was a great time. Super Bowl was in New Orleans this year. Do you remember what happened in that Final Four, Big Cat? Yeah. In Vegas? Coach K is dead. Yeah. Boomer take. Yeah, listen. New Orleans is always going to be at the top of my list. Vegas was a lot of fun. I like Indy, too. Yeah, I'm trying to think. Indy is a good city just because you don't have to get in a car. You don't have to get in an Uber. Your city. What? Baseball, basketball, hockey.

Oh, but he's saying that... No, he's saying... No, he's saying... Yeah, he's saying like the venue city. Yeah, the venue city when it's a Final Four Super Bowl. So it's a different city. Memes is also back here saying like you can pick any city. You don't have to pick like... Like Nashville would be a good Super Bowl city if it wasn't so cold. What, are you trying to go on a bachelorette party? You're trying to win a Super Bowl, buddy. There's a bunch of places. Memes wants to go back to God's country. So like I could say...

Yeah, the Bahamas. The Bahamas would be great. Hawaii, Honolulu. Amsterdam. Would be sick. But imagine losing in Honolulu. Yeah. It's a long flight. But if you lose in Honolulu, you're like, okay, who cares? Yeah. I'm in Hawaii. I think New York would be a good place just because it's basically anywhere you can... Bad take. Why? New York... The stadium is so bad. It would get so crowded. I understand. Obviously, I'm talking about being on the team. Oh. Yeah. I thought you were talking...

I was looking at it as a fan. Yeah, as a fan. But on the team, I'm saying New York would be... If you win someplace where the bars don't close, that's sick. Yeah, that changes things. Yeah. That for sure. I was thinking on the team. I guess it doesn't make as much sense for Final Four, but I was thinking Super Bowl. If you win the Super Bowl in Vegas, you go out as a team in Vegas, that's sick. Yeah.

Because, like, as a fan, you're going to just go to whatever bar. You know? Vegas, obviously, is different. As a player, Miami? Miami would be sick. Miami would be so sick. Also, as a fan, I feel like Miami would be fun. That's a double. All right, last one. The PGA Championship needs to go back to being the last major. What?

This recent change throws off the whole summer. It's the perfect epilogue in that it's not as charming, but gives you a bit more content. Plus, the British Open, maybe the best major, has no business being closer since the shitty weather doesn't feel very summery. This guy just did the, you've given yourself away, three fingers. The best major? He called it the British Open. It's the Open Championship. And it's not even close to the best. Yeah. If you really thought that that was the best. I'm an open guy. As the best? No. No.

Second best. You think it's better than the US Open? No chance. Sometimes. It depends. It varies. Maybe if you live in England, but for time zone reasons. It sucks. Yeah, it's bad. It's Masters, US Open, Open Championship, PGA. But that's why I like that they moved the PGA up because otherwise it's like, who cares? Why is the Masters always first? Because they're the Masters. They get everything. They get to do whatever they want. They get everything.

Yeah, this guy's wrong. Open Championship. Well, no, but his point was that they should just flip-flop. His point was... Well, his point is to your point. He doesn't think the Open Championship should be the last one because it's not as good. I thought you said it was the best. I said maybe the best. But he said...

it shouldn't be the last major of the year. Okay. I, that's fine. I don't hate that. Yeah. But the fact that he didn't refer to it in the correct nomenclature tells me he's not really that big a fan. I almost, I just got hung up with the fact that he said maybe the best it's never maybe been the best. No,

PGA Championship is definitely the worst. I think that's fair. And Masters is definitely the best. And if you're an American, like I thought we all were, the US Open is the second best and the Open Championship is the third. But it's sounding to me...

Like, you're... It's a different style of golf. Which side are you rooting for when they play in Long Island? America. Okay. Are you really? Are you? No, because, like, listen. The live guys are in Europe. I could see Hank Brooks being Euro. Bryson. Just saying. There's actually, like, it's just Jon Rahm. I guess it's Hatton. You love Jon Rahm. I like Jon Rahm, yeah. Yeah.

You love Ludwig. You love Sergio. I do love Ludwig. Yeah. I like Sergio. Yeah, you love Sergio. You love Rory. No. I know you hate Rory. I know. All right. Real quick. White Lotus. Hank, you watched just this. So spoilers coming. I really don't think there's anyone out there who's like, I'm saving the finale for Friday. So Hank.

PFT and I watched the whole season. Yep. Hey, Max, did you watch the whole season? I did. Okay. So Max watched the whole season. You just watched the finale. Yep. I'll preface it. I watched the...

months ago, maybe even last year, I watched the first maybe one or two episodes of season one, decided it wasn't a show for me, removed it from my future. So I've seen... I have everything on Twitter. I see people talking about it. I don't ignore it. I don't avoid it because I don't care. So I've picked... I've been weirdly kind of following along. I've seen the memes. I see people that we work with and stuff tweet about it and sometimes I'll read them. I don't know what's going on. So I did have some level of...

going into it, but I just watched the finale. I tried to watch the finale. I wrote some notes down until I fell asleep. It was an hour and a half. I was battling.

And I'm like, so you didn't see it. So I, I get, I got, I got probably 60, 75 minutes in and I, I just, I fell asleep. I think this might be the future of recaps. We got to be close. I remember being like, this has got to be close to me going on so long. There's so many fucking storylines, how is any of this connected? Uh, and then it was like 40 minutes left. Okay. And I tried to stay awake. I didn't. So this is Hank's thoughts about the finale of white Lotus from a guy that didn't watch the season of white Lotus and fell asleep halfway through. Yeah. I'll give, I have like four notes and then you guys can go into it. Uh,

Bad for Thailand. That guy seemed like a badass. Whoever was bad for Thailand. Why are they in Thailand was the question. Wait, who is bad for Thailand? The guy in the very beginning of the episode. He's like, you're bad for Thailand. That Walt Goggins was talking to. Oh, Sam Rockwell. Are you good for Thailand? Yeah, he was an awesome character. Sam Rockwell should have his own show. Yeah. That character. Yes. Yeah.

He was one of the only characters I liked. He fucks. Yeah, well, he didn't for a while. And also, he gets fucked by dudes. He also didn't seem interested. Yeah, you missed the whole part where he got fucked by dudes. Yeah. He didn't get off by fucking chicks anymore. And so he went in this, like, maybe episode five.

He's like, then I found out that the only way I could get off is to be a Thai woman and get fucked. Yeah, because the chicks he was fucking, he wanted to be them getting fucked by an American. Yeah. That explains why he wasn't... When they reunited, he was like, I don't care. She was like, oh, I missed you. And he just goes, yep. Yeah. Duke, very featured. That's not an accident. Mm-hmm. Like, I actually could understand why Duke was mad because it was so prominently featured. And like in Hollywood, that's a...

nothing comes on screen by accident. Like they have to, you know, set design, outfit design. Like the fact that they made Duke that prominent talking like this was kind of wild. Like what was there a significant reason? Or was it just like a throwaway? Like he went to do having him wear Duke stuff.

on a major HBO show is kind of crazy. I think there was a, it was clearly anti-Duke propaganda. That's crazy. Which I'm fully in support of. The moral of the entire show was basically like, don't let your children go to Duke. Yeah, go to UNC. And they even, I mean, the character named Zion got paid millions of dollars to not do anything. It seemed pretty slanted towards Duke.

I wrote, these are the guys that banged their brothers. Gross. Yeah. Did they actually bang or did he just jerk them off? No, he jerked them off. So that, I saw people do it like, incest, incest, incest. That is that. What's this take? What's this take? Well, no, I was like, be careful. They came on screen. I was like, oh, this is crazy. These guys banged and they said the jerking off thing. And I was like, oh.

People were freaking out on Twitter. I know it's bad, but people... I thought I was expecting Game of Thrones incest. He just jacked his brother off, which Hank doesn't understand the big deal. This is like modern day...

On vacation Jerking off your brother No no no Based on what I saw on Twitter I was expecting incest That is incest By definition I was expecting Game of Thrones This is disgusting I can see why people were mad When the character Locke When he said to his brother When they had that confrontation in the final episode He was like I only jacked you off during that threesome Because I guess I'm just a people pleaser That is weaponized therapy Yeah

I also do that. Was it, is that one of the sisters, the guy that Patrick Schwarzenegger was jealous that loved Goggins? No, no, that's there. They were friends. Okay. Um,

If you jerk off your brother like that, the conversation the next morning has to be one of us has to kill ourselves. Yeah. Like, you can't both be alive after that. It just can't. You cannot live like that. Good segue. Yeah. That's where I fell asleep. The dad was... I mean, suicide, that was a little bit, you know, how convenient you have a suicide pair in your backyard with the guy that wants to kill himself. Which overrated...

I fell asleep when he was grinding it up. Did it not... No, he almost killed his whole family. So this goes to my biggest... That's it. That's all I got. Great show. I like White Lotus. White Lotus fan coming in peace. I did not think this was the strongest season. No, I'd put it clearly number three. Clearly number three. I think season...

I'm going to go season two. Yeah. Then season one, barely. And then clearly season three. Yeah. I think one and two are interchangeable of which one's your favorite. And then three, like, so this happens whenever a TV show that's widely popular. If you don't like a certain season, you're dubbed like a contrarian or you're trying to hate just to hate. I like White Lotus. I'm going to watch season four. I thought this season was not great. And...

The Ratliff story was one of my biggest issues because what you saw, Hank, was what happened all season where so he did the pina coladas with his family. He ended up hitting them all out of their hands and being like, don't drink it. The milk's gone bad. That was like the sixth time we had a dream sequence slash something happened where they tried to fake us out that he was committing suicide or killing his family. Enough of it. Yeah, I actually think Locke should have died at the end.

Yeah, agreed. Instead... The fake-out death is the worst. Yeah, instead what happened was he survived because I guess he didn't eat enough of the suicide pair. That's why I said the suicide pair's overrated. Or I thought maybe it was like a DMT pair because he was like, I just saw God, Dad. And then they get on a boat and the dad's like, hey, sorry, I tried to kill all you guys. Like, did they not have that conversation? Because Locke obviously drank the milkshake. Yeah. And then he basically died. Was his dad ever like, oh, yeah, uh...

about that this is why you passed out also the entire storyline of the rat lifts and the dad uh which was interesting financial crimes having to deal with that no one has phones and then all we get is one like 10 second speech at the end where he's like we'll stay together as a family yeah hey sorry I tried to kill all y'all but uh

I got to be honest. We're all going to go broke. Yeah. Like, love you, Dad. I did like from the Ratliffs. I thought Saxon was awesome. His story arc was cool. Yeah. The look back at the end with Goggins and his girlfriend, he kind of finally got it. And Parker Posey is just a hilarious actress. It is fun to talk like Parker Posey. Yeah.

And Parker Posey ended up winning because she knew all along that her daughter was a spoiled rich kid and she just had to go sleep in a monastery one night to realize. And it's just fun to talk like her and be like, get me out of Taiwan. Where's my lorazepam? Lorazepam.

When she saw her daughter come back and then she was proud of her daughter for being spoiled. That was the funniest thing. Yeah, it was great. I mean, the whole theme of this show is that idol rich people are the worst and also rich

Good bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people. Yeah. And when what was her name? Belinda. Yeah. When Belinda got paid all that money and then she became the character from the previous season. Yeah. I like that. That was good. That made me a little bit sad for the guy that she was like, I'm not going to do it. Yeah. I'm not going to go into business with the corn chai. See you later. Porn chai. Porn chai. Porn chai. That was a very good scene. And then.

I wrote down that the White Lotus, the property, the White Lotus, they have to have the best TripAdvisor account manager ever because all these murders keep happening at their resorts and they seem to be doing really well with tourists. Just deleting them all. Yeah. We're going to get rid of all the negative feedback, even though people die all the time. And you know what it is. Here's why I bet their accounts are doing well.

The donut tree. Did you notice the donut tree that Walter Goggins went to? Yeah. How have I never heard of a donut tree before? Oh, I've seen those at like... You know what? They sometimes have them in like suites at like football games and stuff. I feel like Ross Tucker has tweeted out a donut tree. I've never seen a donut tree before, but now we have to... Can we get a donut tree? Absolutely. Ross Tucker's definitely tweeted out a donut tree. Yeah, I just... I don't know. I thought the season just... It kind of...

They did stretch it. It was more... It was eight episodes, I think. Season one was six and season two was seven. It felt like it was eight where it was like... An hour and a half. And we went circular on a lot of storylines. And then I just...

I don't know. I was rooting for Walter Goggins and his girlfriend. I thought the cheap Star Wars, he was your father, was just whatever. Walter Goggins was the British girl's dad? No. Oh. No. It was the guy from Thailand. Yeah. Uncle Rico. Yeah. That's the same guy that played him. From the beginning of the episode? No, no, no. Uncle Rico is Greg Gary. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah. No, it was a British... They were dating. I know. I know.

Well, this show is there was a storyline where Walter Goggins was basically like I came to Thailand to get vindication because this guy who's this rich guy who owns a resort with his wife killed my dad. And then he went and confronted him at his house, thought he was going to shoot him, pushed him over, but had peace with it. It was like I finally told him off. Then the guy shows up to the resort and it confronts Walter Goggins like you're a pussy. Your mom was a slut.

And then Walter Goggins, in like the last 10 minutes, kills the guy. And then the other woman's like, why would you do that? He's your father. It's like, come on. Goggins' father? Yeah. Oh, wow. So he ended up killing his dad as he was on a mission to kill the guy who killed his dad. Right. That felt a little ham-fisted. It was just a little cheap. And then... I think that Chelsea... This is going to be an unpopular opinion, though. I think Chelsea, the British girl that was dating Walter Goggins...

If she didn't have funny teeth, she would suck. Yeah. I liked her character. Yeah, but I think she was very likable because she was kind of adorable. But she's British. But she was British, and all she did was just try to fix a guy that clearly wasn't fixable. Yeah.

I don't know. But he was fixed for a minute. And then I actually enjoyed Carrie Cruins, I thought, was the star of the show, in my opinion, because I thought she was the girl friendship storyline. That was real. That was some good acting. But it also just ended. I don't know. The whole ending was just it felt so abrupt. And then they all just witnessed a mass murder. And then they all just got on the boat.

Yeah, they were cool. And Fabian falling in the water was very funny. Yes. That guy. He was maybe my favorite. And I didn't like the fucking security guard with his girlfriend. Yeah, that was...

That was a pussy. He was going for revenge too, right? No, he was just a pussy. He just knew that he had to get a shot off, unlike Kelvin Sampson at the end. He's like, I got to make this chick like me. Yeah. I watched. I enjoyed parts. I didn't love the whole thing. What if it was like one of those Disney Cinematic Universe tie-through stories where Gary was Uncle Rico? Yeah. Like Uncle Rico retires to Thailand. Yeah. That's what I like to imagine. That was my whole thing. I said it last week. Like Gary just...

Just keep going back to White Lotus. Why would you keep doing that, dude? Go to a Four Seasons. I have a question for you. Yeah. Do you think that you would have disliked it as much if it wasn't coming right off of Severance? Because I think that hurt this season. No, I was watching them both at the same time. But Severance is just so much better. I agree with that. That it made me like White Lotus less. No, but I like White Lotus Season 2 and Season 1 a lot. But you weren't watching it at the same time as Severance. No.

I was. Oh. Because I caught up on Severance late.

I was watching them both concurrently and I absolutely think that's a fair point. I, because I was finding myself the same way because I would get so excited for severance each week. And then when white Lotus came along, I was like, ah, this just isn't the same white Lotus. And I, maybe I missed the whole thing, but like this idea that it's like a very deep show. I think there's also just what we do now on the internet is where we analyze every little thing on a show. It happens with severance too, where it's like, I don't think they're putting in that many clues to every little thing. Um,

And it's a show where it's fun because you get to watch rich assholes go on vacation and there's some good parts, there's some funny parts. It's not like super deep. Severance made me think a lot more. Yes.

So I did find myself like when Severance, when I watched Severance, I was very focused. When I watched the White Lotus, I was watching it, but I was like, this is just kind of, you know, they're on vacation. I think this season of White Lotus, it took a lot longer to get into any real shit. Yeah. So that's why they made the last one an hour and a half is because Mike White was like, oh shit, I got to have some stuff happen.

I got to wrap it up. But it was, listen, I still think it was good. Yeah. I enjoyed watching it and I'm going to continue to watch it like big cat. Like it's a good, good show. It's not, it's my test for every movie or show I watch. If I think about it the morning after when I'm waking up, that means that it like stuck with me and it's really like good. I thought about severance for a couple of days after white Lotus. I watched finale and I was like, all right, I guess that's that. Didn't really think about it the next day. Piper. No, no,

piper we're on vacation guys didn't you think the fake outs of the suicide and everything was just like like the fifth one was like all right guys yeah and they got like bloodier and more gruesome yeah it's just like come on and then the milkshakes where it's like oh we're finally gonna do this this guy's gonna kill his whole family oh no milk's gone bad yeah um there's also there's a podcast an accompanying podcast that goes along with white lotus which i haven't listened to but does every new show now have a podcast oh yeah oh yeah

Because I feel like doing a podcast about a show that you watch is the new reading a book. Every old show has a podcast. Yes. And technically, we do that. We should make a show. This show with PMTV. Yeah. What happened on last week's PMTV? Last week's PMTV, Max got invited to the White House. Oh, let's break that down. So Jerry O'Connell reached out to us. Big Cat and I didn't see it coming. Yeah.

Oh, but yeah. I, what would you give the season? I'd like a B three balls. Yeah. It was fine. Three and a half balls. You give it four. Heck yeah. I enjoyed the other two seasons more. Yeah. I could understand it. I did. I did like the, uh, the, the daughter of the rat lifts. I can't remember Nate. What was her name? Piper Piper. Yeah. Uh,

She is just... She was so perfect of, like, I think I'm different than the rich narcissists that populate my family. Only to realize, no, I'm no different. And also have her brother be like, I want to do this with you. And she's like, oh, now I'm really not different. Yeah. I can't do this. One thing I do like about what Mike White does, though, is he either kills or morally bankrupts every likable character on the show. Yeah. Like, he fucks with the viewer in a fun way. That part I like. Yeah, it really is like...

But bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. And rich people who are on vacation are some of the worst people out there. Yeah. Any other thoughts, Max? You like it. What would you give it? Seven.

It was six and a half. That's a B. I also read that Woody Harrelson turned down a role. I would imagine he was going to be Sam Rockwell's character. He turned down a role because he wanted to go on vacation with his family. But when these guys go on to shoot the show, they spend like six months

On vacation. Yeah, no, Mike White has figured out the Adam Sandler rule. Yeah, it's the best idea ever. Go to the best locations to film your shows. Bring your friends. That's what Adam Sandler did for like 20 years. Bring all your best friends to a resort and then film a movie there. I wonder where next year will be. Key West, maybe? That'd be cool.

Someone said, I want to see this in like veil. Pug said there's no ocean in the next one. How do we know that? They did like an inside the episode with Mike White. Are they doing Lake Geneva, Wisconsin? He just said he's done with the waves crashing theme. So no, no ocean. Put in Bay.

Yeah. Okay. Inland. That would be so sick. Jersey Shore. Oh, my God. White Lotus, Jersey Shore. I'm in. A snow trip. A snow one would actually be awesome. A veil. Yeah. That one would be awesome. Or like Switzerland. What's the Montana one? Big Sky. No. Stafford. Yellowstone or something. No. Go to Jacksonville, Wyoming. Wasn't the one that Stafford and Tom Brady met? Yeah. The club. The club. What's it called? I don't know. I think it's Yellowstone Club. Yeah. Sure. Make it the White Lotus Club. That would be sick.

And it's just Jordan Schultz and Ian Rapport fighting. Maybe we're still looking to help write it. Yeah. All right. Good show, boys. Masters. Hank, I don't want you watching any of that 12 to two block on Peacock. Why? Because you didn't want it. I did want it. I was bringing to light the fact that it existed. Memes. You'll never get this. Thanks. You'll never get this. You'll never get a 50 50. Oh, okay. I bet you I will first.

I think I'm just going to have to start doing 50-50s now. One other thing about The White Lotus. Does anybody else have a problem where they watch like eight episodes of a show that they really enjoy and they get to the end and they realize that you don't know any of the characters' names? Yeah. Like off the top of your head? I was having problems with that. Yeah. Yeah.

Also, the song from the first season, the intro song, I was expecting that for this one. Yeah. This intro song sucked. They took out the Lulu Lus. The guy that wrote the song quit because Mike White wouldn't use the Lulu Lus in it. That song was great. Yeah. All right, memes. I was trying to get them to false start. Numbers. Three. 77. Oh, I'm wearing it. I'll go 76 for my boy Luca. I'll go 78.

We're boxing them in. 65. 99, pup. 15. 21. 23. 96. Love you guys.