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On today's part of my take, it is the 2025 NFL Draft Round 1 Recap. We're talking football, and we got Coach John Gruden who's going to join us about 10 minutes into the show to break down what he saw. We're going to then talk some NBA and NHL playoffs. We have Justin Thomas fresh off his win at the RBC Heritage.

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I see what you're doing here. That's I would rather the team be good. Oh, for sure. Yeah. But it is the, it is the truth. Yeah. The end of the draft, uh, crazy draft. I don't really know. I mean, the Jaguars trade was crazy. That was a pretty nuts trade fleeced fleeced. I saw some of the different draft conversion charts. Some people were saying it was an all time fleecing. So the Jaguar. So, all right, so let's set the stage first. Roger Goodell came out in a bike. That was weird. Uh,

I understand, obviously, it's the Packers tradition, but it was just weird seeing Roger Goodell on a bike. Well, you know why they do that in Wisconsin, right? Because the entire state has DUIs. Oh, yeah, that too. Yes, good joke. I like that. I like that. They do lead the league, for sure. But they came out, and then Clay Matthews, FCC, please arrest this man.

I also think he lied. I don't think Donald Trump, he said the Bears still suck, and he said that Donald Trump sent him a message saying that. Yeah, which would be, Clay, you're doing fake news. Yeah, right. Clay Matthews is now leading the league and doing the anonymous fake sources that Mr. President hates so very deeply. He should take away Clay Matthews' FCC license. Can you arrest someone for misquoting the president? Send Clay Matthews to El Salvador. Agreed. That was bullshit.

And also, let's just say, let's just call a spade a spade. He has the entire NFL world watching him, and all he's thinking about is the Bears. That is a big rent-free moment for him. Big time rent-free. Big time rent-free. So, yeah, the draft started. Cam Ward obviously goes one. We all knew it was going to happen. And then the fireworks start. Sorry. Explosives. Explosives. Pew, pew. Shefty promises explosives. The Jaguars gave up pick number five overall, 26-17.

126 and or sorry it's 36 126 in a 2026 first round pick to go up to two to get travis hunter uh the browns gave up number two overall 104 and 200 fleeced fleeced um there was a quote after after the pick was made from the new gm of the jaguars gladstone i've got it right here genius boy genius his first draft

The quote was, there are players you can target and acquire who will alter the trajectory of a game. There are players that you can target and acquire that alter the trajectory of a football team. There are very few, and it's rare to be able to target and prioritize a player who can alter the sport itself. Wow. That sounds like Shoag. This is a sport-changing player.

The game will never be the same. It will never be the same. If you're a Jaguars fan, I think you're... We were talking about it with Chaps. I think Chaps had the good idea. You play Travis Hunter as a wide receiver exclusively this year, and then next year you start having him play both sides of the ball, and you're like, that was our 2026 first-round pick. Travis Hunter, the cornerback. That's the way you do it. Yeah, I don't hate that. Also, if Trevor Lawrence throws an interception...

You've got a wide receiver that's really good at tackling. That's true. Maybe force a fumble. That's true. Turn a turnover into a turnover. I love what the Browns did, though, because the Browns getting more draft picks. They are in purgatory right now. They're in hell with Deshaun Watson. They know they're not going to be good next year. Load up some draft picks and still get a stud with Mason Graham, which is a little awkward because Mason Graham is the one who called Jack Sawyer a pussy in the Ohio State-Michigan game. So a lot of Browns fans are going to have

They've probably said some choice words about Mason Graham, and now you have a defensive tackle you're hoping is going to be on the Browns for the next 10 years. All right, so if I was the Browns, would it be crazy to – because you got picks now in the second round. You can start the rebuilding process. Flacco might not be bad enough for you to get a top pick next year if he's your answer at quarterback. They could still take Shador. That's what I'm going with here, Big Cat. In the second round, use one of these picks, get Shador. Shador is going to be extra pissed at the Steelers. Yeah, good point.

Good point. Yeah. Also, Shador, that was a tough, tough draft party. Yep. Tough draft party. At least Gilly was there. Gilly is an all-time vibes guy. Yeah. So for the Jaguars, I was just thinking with their new GM, it feels like a picture-perfect moment. Like, if you're a Jags fan, you can almost fast-forward five years from now and hear the press conference. Yeah.

And I've heard a bunch of them in my career as a football fan where they're like, what have you learned on the job since coming in? Well, when I came in, I thought I had all the answers. I thought I had to make a big splash right away. And I learned that you don't always have to make the big move to succeed. Yeah. You can hear that press conference happening. Yes. As this young GM is maturing into his role. Yeah. He's like, sometimes you got to wait and see and maybe not, you know.

get over your skis and trade the entire draft capital of the future. Although it's a first rounder next year. A lot of picks this year. Travis Hunter is really, really, really good. Yeah. Obviously. Really, really good. I just think that if you're, the Jags are more going for it right now, whereas the Browns, I just like the fact that the Browns had the wherewithal to be like, hey, we're not,

We're not a Travis Hunter away from being good again. We're a lot of picks away from being good again. And Mason Graham is going to... I mean, Mason Graham is going to be a problem with Miles Garrett. And I like Mason Graham a lot. I think he's going to be awesome. I just like what the Browns did. Credit to the Browns. Also, Travis Hunter, there was a lot of people making the joke, like, you spent six months thinking you were going to go to Cleveland, then you went to Florida.

I don't even know if that joke plays as much because Jacksonville. Well, it's the classic Florida or Ohio bit. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, at least the weather. Yeah, the weather. Abdul Carter goes to Giants. Love that pick. I think he's going to be a beast. Hank, Will Campbell. Yep. Happy. Fired up. Yeah. He's crying. Said he's going to die for Drake May. Oh, I love it. Short arms. That'd be bad if he died.

Obviously, it'd be very bad if he died. Right. But when you draft someone this high, that's what you want to hear. Can I tell you why you should love this pick, Hank? Yes. All right. So Vrabel himself took a hands-on approach with this draft pick to the point where I think they got into a fight. I think Vrabel and Will Campbell fought each other on the practice field. Vrabel went out there, put the pads on, played with him. Vrabel says if that tape- He played with him? He said if that tape ever gets out, people are going to have some problems. Yeah.

It was important to me to get out there and feel him and feel every player we evaluated on the line of scrimmage. That's pretty good. I would die for Vrabel. That's pretty good, Hank. I fucking love him. That's pretty damn good. So per Mike Vrabel, Will Campbell is the best feeling player in the NFL draft. I mean, I do like Mike Vrabel being like, I have to forget my scouts. I need to feel this man to really know what I got. I love it. Yeah. And memes was being very mean, very mean.

Very mean. Oh, yeah. He made some Photoshop's of short arms. Yeah. Well, no. The Photoshop's were out there. He was repurposing them. Some would say stealing. Yeah. But memes would say repurposing them. But he was mostly saying that, Hank, congratulations, Hank. You got the second best O-lineman in the draft. Mm-hmm.

Well, I said that to you. You said that to me later. But then once... You said that to me. Who's the best O-lineman in the draft? Memes? Our guy. And what did you want to say his name? Membu. I can't pronounce. Okay.

Armand? Armand, yeah. You can't pronounce Armand or you didn't know it? No, no. I knew it was Armand. I don't know. Names. I'm bad with names. But yeah, memes are saying essentially that the Jets got a much better offensive lineman than the Patriots got, like right off the bat. Yeah. That's why they play the games. But you didn't get the best feeling offensive lineman in the draft.

I've never felt them, so I don't know. Yeah. The explosives also were a reverse explosive with Ash and Jenty going to the Raiders, which everyone thought was going to happen for like three months. And then the last couple of weeks, everyone's like, that's not what's going to happen. And then he ends up going to the Raiders, including Pete Carroll, giving Twitter clues that I still think he was just fucking with everyone. Yeah, that's what he did the first time. Yeah. And then he's like, I'll just get online and fuck around. Yeah, fuck around. But I... So I spent...

And pretty much the offseason being like, I don't want a running back going to the Bears. And then the last week I was like, it's going to be Ashton Genting. I love this guy. I would have voted for him for Heisman. And then I ended up and then the Raiders take him. And I was mad at myself. And I was like, wait a second. Your initial feeling was to not overextend to get a running back. What are you doing? That's just how the draft was.

Yeah, you know what it is? It's like you had, I think, the right plan. And then the closer you get to the draft, you just keep saying the words generational talent to yourself over and over and over again. By the way, the draft comps were all-time funny tonight. Yeah. Did you see? I think Cam Ward, they compared him to Patrick Mahomes as his draft comp. With Jenty, it was Emmitt Smith as his draft comp. Pretty high bar that they're setting there. Yep. Those are, yeah, all-famous. But also, credit to us –

The NFL talent scouts All the GMs 32 GMs out there Big Cat Travis Hunter Finished ahead of Ashton Gentile That's true That's true And now I can stop saying That if I had a Heisman vote I would have voted for Ashton Gentile Yeah So that's nice Yeah but he I think he's going to be A great running back Yeah He's going to be awesome They didn't really have Much of a running game Last year So they needed it Yeah And then we had Ted McMillan going To the Panthers Which I don't know If it was shock I mean he was One of those guys That it felt like Some people loved him Some people hated him

and Calvin Banks going to the Saints, and then the Bears getting Colston Loveland, which I... So I don't know shit. I'm just going to go off of what I've read, and I'm just going to read you a couple things I've read. This is from Eric Galco. He said...

New Bears tight end Colson Loveland was our number two player in the entire draft class, excluding all QBs after Hunter. So he was number two behind Travis Hunter. He's just a notch below Brock Bowers as a prospect, and he finished his second highest graded tight end I've ever graded. I do think from the limited amount that I've watched him, I think that Brock Bowers obviously had a great season catching the football and doing everything for the Raiders offense last year.

Loveland from what I've seen is better when he's in line. Yeah. And so Ben Johnson loves to use two tight ends. He said that he reminded him of Sam Laporta. Colson Loveland said that Sam Laporta is his favorite tight end to watch. Also, here's another one from Angelo Fantasy. That's just like a guy in Philly dreaming of cheesesteaks. Angelo Fantasy said, Loveland was my TE1 this year.

shows advanced manipulative qualities at the stem, specifically when tasked with timing-based patterns, reminiscent of Trey McBride as a prospect, as well as stylistically. Did you say manipulative patterns at the stem? Manipulative qualities at the stem. That's the one thing that I look for when I'm watching film. That's all I wanted. Yeah. Just find me a guy who's got manipulative qualities at the stem. Just manipulate by stem, daddy. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I think he's going to be good, but who the fuck knows? So...

I want him to be good. Are you happy with Cole commit? Uh, so that's going to be the interesting thing. I don't, I am happy with Cole commit, but I don't know what's the plan is going to be. Cause I feel like Cole commits a good player. Yeah. No, when they remember that he's on the field. Yeah. I like Cole commit. I, I don't know if the bears, I think they're going to go with these two tight ends, but they might. Cole commits got one year left on his deal. Either way. I like Colson Loveland. Uh,

Just because I read a bunch of people saying he's incredible and I was like, yeah. And also, did you see the big game hunting he had on his wall? No. What do you have? Oh, my God. He had like the biggest elk and deer heads that I've ever seen. He grew up on a farm. Okay. It said that he would wake up like on Saturdays. He'd wake up at 6 a.m. to what is it? What is it called when you do the thing with the cow?

Serum? No. Brand. Brand them. He'd brand cows, take a nap, go play football. You understand why when you're going like this and you're talking about a cow, I thought milk. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Although that would be more like this. That's jacking off the bull. No, but this would be milking. This is kind of a reverse. This is more- OTPH. Yeah, this is more inseminating them. That's inseminating your own chest. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, no, I'm going this way. So you're standing behind the cow. Yeah. I'm branding. Okay. So you're like this. Gotcha. So he used to wake up in the morning, brand cows, then play football. Yep. Yeah. I love the guy. Yeah. Great pick. Yeah. With Ted McMillan. The only thing I know for sure about this pick is we're going to get some fire, fire side-by-side photos of Bryce Young and Ted McMillan. Oh yeah. Cause what is he? Six, five, six, six little, little Aaron judge Jose L2. Yeah. That's the new one. Just dropped. Yeah. Uh, Kelvin Banks also, um,

his baby threw up on itself yeah i saw that i think the draft party was that his baby i don't know it was a baby there was a baby in the room next to him that that got jostled a little bit in all the excitement and then the baby just puked everywhere and that's all of our first experiences with new orleans yeah uh tyler warren going to the colts i feel like everyone thought as soon as the bears took colson love and i was like he's gonna tyler warren's gonna be a cult uh any other uh

I mean, we, we don't know. We're going to have Gruden sit in with us in a second. Oh, bother me a little bit. The Packers took Matthew golden after McShay told me, told us that, uh, he's his number one receiver. Uh,

I also, the Giants getting Jackson Dart trading back up for Jackson Dart. So that's their QB of the future. Shout out Joe Shane's son putting on Instagram reels Jackson Dart hype tape like earlier this morning. Kind of telegraphed that one. The Falcons took a player from Georgia for the first time in like

50 years. Wow. So I know the Jalen Walker, the fan base, he kind of fell. They really wanted somebody from Georgia. Yeah. Anyone from Georgia will be happy with that. And then they trade back up and get the guy from Tennessee. So that was a, that felt like a lot. They gave up. I mean, it doesn't matter if James Pierce is really good. And I think there's a chance that he could be, you know, some people were saying that he has the highest ceiling, maybe some character issues, but that was, that felt like a lot to trade. Yeah. And then,

Unfortunately, we had Shadur falling and Deion in the green. I don't know if that's a green room. It was just kind of a warehouse. Yeah, it was just their party. It was like a rave. It was his house, I think. Oh, so they were not in Green Bay. No, they were not. Okay, yeah. So they were just at a party and Shadur did not get picked. I think that Deion's going to be so mad he's going to start his own league. He's going to go home tonight and be like, you know what? If they don't want you, fuck them. Yeah. The DFL. I'll say this. Thanks for making the second round interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

Like that, that is an interesting thing. What's going to happen on Friday. It'll probably happen. My guess would be early on. Yeah. You'd hope. Also the Ravens crushed their draft with Malachi Starks. Malachi Starks is a beast. He's going to be so good for the Ravens. I had him second on my big board. Yeah. Do you feel good about your, who'd you take? Connerly. Yeah. From Oregon.

So here's why I feel good about Connerly. So he's an offensive tackle. He's huge. He's got great feet. He played running back and tight end, and then he just kept growing and eating. And now he's just this massive guy with big feet, super athletic. And we got Laramie Tunsell on one side. We drafted Brandon Coleman last year that played left tackle. So we thought maybe we'd move him over to right tackle.

But now we just drafted another tackle, and we also have Wiley. Not a bad problem to have, though. So now we've got a lot of tackles on our team, and Sam Cosme's out at right guard. So I would imagine that either Wiley or probably more likely Coleman is going to move over to guard for a little bit, and then we'll have Connerly on the right side. I have personal experience with Connerly. I met the guy. Oh. So when I was flying to Arizona a couple years ago for the Barstool Bowl, you remember that? Yeah.

I was on the same plane as the Oregon football team. That's right. As they were getting ready to play against Liberty and Connelly was on the plane. And when he got on, but he's the guy, I think I told you at the time, Oregon is so much, they're so big. Yeah. We bet Oregon. And I was like, this, this dude was big. I saw a big man on the plane. He plays for Oregon. I think they're going to beat the fuck out of Liberty.

And sure enough, he was just so much bigger than Liberty that he pretty much swallowed them all whole. And they just dominated him in that game. I remember it because you told us that and we bet Oregon and they killed them. Our in-depth analysis. Serendipity. Yeah, our in-depth analysis was I saw a big man on plane. We're like, we give money. Yeah. Max, Jihad?

Jihad. Jihad Campbell. Jihad Campbell? You're a big Jihad guy. Jihad Campbell seems like a beast. Can't say that I know too much of his tape, but he's Howie's guy. He traded up one spot to get him, which is a crazy thing to do, but he traded up one spot to get him. Howie gets his guy. He was a top 15 guy on everyone's big boards.

How he gets him at 31, how he does it again. Wow. I think the night was just dragging on and how he was like, I got to get a trade in. Yeah. He was chosen for one. So he hit up Kansas City. He was like, you mind? Let's just do a trade. Get me in on some action right now. I just need to see the video of the draft room when Howie realizes that he can get him and see how excited he is. And that's how excited I will be because I can already see it in my head right now. He's going to.

be on the phone. He's going to be like, I got the trade done. We got it done. And then he's going to high five everyone else there. And then I'm going to be fired up. And he's a hometown kid and he's coming to Philly. And he said, the rich is going to get richer and we're bringing another Superbowl back to Philly. Wow. Memes, memes, just to refresh real quick, the offensive line grades, you gave yourself number one.

Number one, yeah. And what is his name again? Armand Mambo. There we go. And then who got number two? You got number two. Oh, wow. But no, you said something else. You said, I got, what, the best? Best left tackle. I got the best left tackle. Yeah. But you got the best tackle. Best right tackle. Oh, best tackle. But then you put Hank third. Yeah, well, I like Will Campbell. It's unfortunate he went to the Patriots. Got it. But did you hear about Vrabel putting his hands on him? Yeah, it sounds like Vrabel got bitched.

Oh, Hank, bad time to take off your cape. You heard it. What do you think? He's getting old. It's a crazy thing to say. It's a crazy thing to say. Memes, you know that we're going to have Vrabel back on the show. Yeah, he's a recurring guest. And if Vrabel beats me up and gets arrested and can't coach a season, that's on him. That's true. But we also wouldn't let you press charges.

Hmm? Memes will press charges. I would press charges. Oh, you would? No, you wouldn't. But wouldn't that make you the biggest bitch? Because he got bitched by Will Campbell, then he bitched you? No, but I think I'd be a hero. Patriots coach goes to jail. Let's get Gruden in here. What do we think? Shefty's fit. What happened tonight? He thought, bro thinks he's Andrew Whitworth. I mean, that was, you can't do the tie and the sweatshirt.

You know what I mean? I agree. You have to choose one or the other. I agree. I think you can go sweatshirt blazer. Correct. If you're Andrew Whitworth. Correct. If you're not Andrew Whitworth in the Venn diagram, then you have to just wear normal clothes. Correct. And Shefty, he's advanced so far in his career that it's like, we know who you are, Shefty. Right. You at the most, if you're like joining the Manning cast, then you wear a collared shirt and a quarter zip. Right.

Right. All other occasions when you're on television, you should be wearing a suit and tie. I think he just, yeah, he got lost in too much. Here he comes, Coach Gruden. I know you guys worked this hard. We're live right now, or not live, but we're taping, so sit right down. We're not going to keep you long. It's late. He's drinking wine right now out of a Stella Blue coffee cup. I love that.

All right, put the mic in front of you, and let's talk a little ball, and then we'll get you. First of all, let's ask you this. It's 11 p.m. It's 11.15 right now. Is it too late? Is it too late for Coach Gruden? Because you get up at like 4 in the morning. Go on, put the mic. Let's see if Max is getting it. Yeah, it's 12.15 in Tampa. How are you feeling?

I feel good, man. I love it, man. I love the vibe here. Yeah. Barstool, there's a lot of young, talented guys that love sports and gals. And did Stephen Che only get six right tonight? If he's lucky, he got six. It's a hard crapshoot to pick. You know that. How do you feel about draft grades?

I personally love them because the guys that give out draft grades right after the fact, what they're really grading you on is how well did the teams do in living up to what I projected them to do. So they're really being like, I will give you an A if you think that I am correct. I'd like to take the draft grades and go back on them after a year or two. Yeah. I mean, you get the draft grade the day after the draft, who gives a rat's ass? Yeah. But after two years, you give the team a D or you give them an A, it's more –

profitable evaluation, I think, because you actually got to evaluate your players. How the hell do you know if they're any good or not the next day? That's a fact. All right, so big picture, did anything surprise you tonight? Did you think there was any, not grades, but like winners or losers, or you liked someone's moves more than others? I love what the Giants did. Oh, okay. I love what they did. I thought, you know, they need a quarterback. The Browns need a quarterback. The Steelers need a quarterback. They don't have a quarterback.

but the Giants got Abdullah Carter who I think is a really good player now you got Brian Burns you got Thibodeau you got Dexter Lawrence you got some guys who can at least get after guys like Jaden Daniels and Hertz mobile quarterbacks in the NFC East and then they have the guts you

You know, Dayball's been under fire, been on his ass. They move up and they take Jackson Dart. I think those are two really good picks for the Giants. Yeah. And if they come through, that changes the dynamic of their team. What about what did you make of the Jaguars-Browns trade? Yeah, I was shocked what Jacksonville did. I know Jacksonville. I felt they needed...

a star. I live in Florida and the Jaguars are kind of a faceless franchise. Trevor Lawrence just has not

exerted himself. It's not like, Hey, I got to get a Trevor Lawrence Jersey. He's been a disappointment. Really? ETN. Who are the Jacksonville Jaguars? Maybe Josh Allen, Trayvon Walker. I mean, they needed somebody that had star power, sell some tickets, get people excited. I just don't know what they're going to do with them. Right. I really think he's a receiver. I think he can impact the game and help their quarterback at receiver and

I think you're whistling zippity-doo-dah out your butt if you think he's going to play both ways in the NFL. So why? Well, I had Charles Woodson, probably one of the great football players to ever do it. He played both ways and won the Heisman just like this guy did. And he was 20 pounds heavier. And Charles wanted to play offense also.

But it's hard to play defense. You know, it's hard. It's a hard deal, man. Every week's a different offense, different receivers, different quarterbacks, different game plan. You just can't go from that meeting to this meeting. Not many people have done it. You guys have studied it your whole life. Name two or three guys in the modern era of football that have done it. Sammy Baugh.

Yeah, I mean, I didn't see Sammy play, and I'm 61 years old. So we really have to be crazy to think a rookie's going to come in here and do that right away. On the other side of it, though, I liked what the Browns did. I did, too. I like the fact they got those picks. They got the picks. They got a great player in Mason Graham. And I liked that the Browns basically, to me, it's like they were honest with themselves. We're not close.

So let's get more picks, draft capital, knowing that this is a full rebuild right now because we missed on Deshaun Watson. And so that gives them bullets for the next year or two. Well, Stefanski, he's been the two-time coach of the year. So I'm sure he's got a little contract. You know, they got some confidence in him. And maybe they go get Shador. Maybe they go get Will Howard. And maybe we over-evaluated Shador too. I mean, I hate to say it, but...

I'm shocked that he didn't go after all the hoopla and all the hype that went in to the pre-draft ceremonies. Yeah. When it comes to making these trades on draft night, if you're sitting in the war room, do some GMs just call you up and they offer insultingly low-value trades just to see if you're dumb enough to take it? It's not like fantasy football. I'm a fantasy football owner. I would call Big Cat and say, hey.

I'll give you a six-round pick for Pat Mahomes just to piss him off. Right. To see if he's that dumb, if he'd really do it. Right. That doesn't happen. Every once in a while, you might get a call where, are you serious? But these general managers, they know –

They're dealing with professional people that know the value of their play. And they're all going off a similar chart. They have a chart. They know if you're talking about trading draft picks, that's one thing. I was surprised. Kirk cousins didn't get traded. I thought perhaps he could get traded to the Cleveland Browns and maybe that's in the cards. Now Cleveland has some arsenal with this draft hall. They got, maybe they go get cousins for one year, see if he can rejuvenate his career in Cleveland. And yeah,

It'll be interesting to see, but everybody's pretty solid when it comes to trade proposals. Yeah. All right. I know a guy you talked to at the Super Bowl, Ashton Gentry, got picked six to the Raiders. What are your beliefs in drafting a running back that high? Do you think he is worth that type of pick? It's obviously a new regime in Las Vegas. So do you think that it just doesn't happen very often?

Yeah, I used to argue with Mel Kuyper when I was doing the ESPN draft. Kuyper said, you don't take running backs in the first round. I said, well, Earl Campbell was the first pick. Tony Dorsett wasn't bad. Emmitt Smith turned out okay. Yeah. You know, it all depends on a year-by-year basis. You know, who are the top 10 players in the draft? I don't think this year's draft was as strong as people want it to be for TV purposes. I mean, COVID impacted this class.

So did the NIL and the transfer portal. I mean, a number one pick in a draft played on three different teams. Yeah. And I don't know if that's beneficial for his career. I don't believe it is. But a lot of these guys don't go to spring practice. They're coming out as juniors. They don't play in the same system for multiple years. It's a different process now. So it's a crap shoot.

To answer your question, I don't even know. Yeah. What about Ibuka to Tampa Bay? Yeah, I love Ibuka. You know, Will Howard was in our office, and he echoed our feelings, what we saw on tape. Ibuka's a great receiver now. Back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons, tough as hell. He can line up in the slot. He can mismatch you as a receiver on the perimeter, and he can be a punt returner.

And Howard loved him. He's an unselfish guy, understands the game, knows who to block, can't wait to block. He's an unselfish badass. That's a good pick. And it tells me perhaps, you know, Chris Godwin's reputation

rehab is not gone on schedule maybe he won't be ready to start the season mike is a great receiver but he's got to be going into his 14th 13th season and um you got to have firepower at that position to be great i kind of like what they're doing they're they're kind of showing baker we're going to continue to commit to giving you the best possible targets

Because when their offense, when they were passing the ball well, they looked like a great team out of the NFC. You know, I saw them play live. I told you guys the last time when they played the 49ers, I was at the game. I did not know Bucky Irving was that good. And Rashad White is another good back. And their offensive line, their center, the rookie they took, the first rounder, he's a hell of a player. And Gedeke and Wirfs are as good of tackles as there are. This is a hell of a football team on offense. And now you got Evans and you got...

I don't know how to say his name yet, but I'll learn. And now you got the potential of Chris Godwin coming back. And McMillan was a good pick from Washington. Yeah.

they're a good team that could be great and they got to solve their problems on defense yeah by the way i've loved watching the gruden quarterback camp yeah we had a lot of fun with those guys it's very good so who was the most impressive person that you talked to well the guy that got picked tonight was really impressive you know jackson was he was great will howard was phenomenal they were all very very good i think this kyle mccord um

This Hennegan guy, he might not get drafted until the third, fourth, fifth round. But all of these guys are good players. You know, all it takes is somebody to believe in you. You got your job. He got his. I got my job because somebody believed in me.

And I remember coaching Ty Detmer in Philadelphia. I believed in him. I believed in Rich Gannon in Oakland. And sometimes that's all these guys need is somebody that believes in them. Yeah. And I hope Will Howard gets his shot because he's a winner, man. And he's a big, strong, tough son of a bitch, man. And a great competitor. How sick did it make you when Jackson Dart said that he doesn't have a snap count?

He just, I saw that clip. That clip was incredible. Pretty much all of them did the same thing. Really? You know, none of them have learned. Well, that's the thing. We'll talk about this. I'm sure hopefully in the future, but a lot of people say the game is evolving. The game is evolving.

parts of the game are dissolving. Okay? We just had Steve DeBerg in my office. He's 71 years old. He threw for 34,000 yards. He played for the Chiefs. He played for the Bucks, the Dolphins. He played for all kind of different teams. One of the great ball handling, play faking quarterbacks ever. And he helped Peyton Manning learn how to

play fake. You don't even see a play action pass anymore. You see the RPO where he pulls it out of the running back's chest. But, you know, parts of this game are dissolving and the snap count has almost totally dissolved. Yeah. All right. Any other teams that you're like, I think they did a great job. I mean, I always just say,

Whoever the Ravens pick, it's going to be a good pick. Selfishly, I love what the Ravens did, man. I love Malachi Starks. I get personally attached to players. That's the biggest fault I have. A lot of the players, ah, Gruden, you drafted so-and-so. He's not a good one. In fact, I love that guy.

You know, I get attached to these guys when I meet him and I spent time with them. There are certain guys you cherish. You want to be around. You want to help. You want to see succeed. And Malachi Starks, he comes in my office. You know, he's a badass. He has this, he has this presence about him. He's a great communicator. He's big, strong, experienced. He's just a clutch game changing player, but,

And for the Ravens to get him and pair him with Kyle Hamilton and Bobby Humphrey, I'm telling you, that was a big pickup for Baltimore tonight. Yeah, he's an awesome player. I wanted him. That was my guy. So...

Mike Vrabel, apparently, he worked out all the guys, all the big guys that he was thinking about drafting, put his hands on them. And he said that Will Campbell felt the best to him, felt the strongest. Do you get physical with draft picks if you're interviewing them? No. That must be a patriot thing. It must be the tuck rule bullshit. I don't feel a guy's butt cheeks to see if he's for me. I got better evaluation. I got a question about the Falcons. So they take...

Jalen Walker at 15 and they come back into the first round and take James Pierce at 26. Two guys, they don't play exactly the same way, but you're hoping they're going to be edge rushers. Jalen Walker can maybe move around a little bit more. Is that weird to take two guys and also come back into the round to not like you see with quarterbacks, but they did trade a decent haul to come back into the first round. I was surprised by that. They gave up a lot to get for the 26th pick.

You would think it would be a quarterback. Right. Because a lot of teams will do it to get the control. I love Tennessee. My wife cheered at Tennessee. I go back to Tennessee. I got a place in Tennessee. I want to love Pierce. I don't see Pierce as a run defender yet. I don't see him wearing a big boy pants and doing what you need to do to be that kind of a player where you give up a first round pick and

and other picks to get them. Right. But I know the Falcons need a pass for us. Judon was a disappointment, no matter how we slice it. They had no pressure on the passer. They got rid of Grady Jarrett.

They do go and get a good player from Georgia in round one. And I'm hoping Pierce starts to realize his potential. But I thought he was a major disappointment this year for Tennessee personally. What about what the Eagles did? So the Eagles moved up one spot. That was a shocking trade. I mean, I don't know how that works. I know Andy Reid and Howie are good friends. So maybe there was some personal information exchanged there. But I've never seen you go up one spot.

and give up a fifth-round pick from 32 to 31. And then they take a linebacker. You know, Philadelphia, you've got to give Howie Roseman credit. If one guy knows how to pick players, it's him. And N'Kobe Dean had an injury late in the year against the Packers in the playoffs. They get a guy like Campbell, 6'3", 240, that can run and –

athletically do the things he does that's a solid pick i'm sure vic fans you'll know what to do with them but that was a weird that was a weird transaction and then andy reed gets josh simmons i think the best tackle in the draft yeah provided he's healthy yeah i felt like how he just he's addicted to making trades he needs some action going and so the night was almost over and he's like i gotta squeeze one in just have to yeah well they lost some players too you know

They lost Milton Williams. They lost Josh Sweat. They lost Darius Slay. I remember when we won our Super Bowl, we lost some players. People take them away from you, and you have a hard time replacing them when you don't have salary cap space and you don't have a high draft pick. But this guy, Howie Roseman, has found a way to do it. Yeah, I agree.

I'm scared about Campbell. I feel like he's the guy that everybody was looking at and be like, how is he still on the board? Yeah. You're right. Josh Simmons to the Chiefs made a lot of sense, and I feel like that's going to be a good pick for them. The other one that I liked –

And this is just my dumb brain, football brain, but the Steelers taking a defensive tackle being like, hey, look, Cam Hayward is at the end here. He hasn't retired, right? He's still playing? Oh, he's still there. I think he is. I think his pitch count is going to be not what it used to be. Yeah, but it's like, hey, we had this guy who was the anchor of our defense. We need another guy who's going to be a younger anchor. Well, they had this Larry Ogunjobi who played pretty good for him. He's gone.

So they need a defensive tackle. Now, they got one quarterback on their roster. I know. I don't know what they're doing. Maybe Aaron Rodgers. He's going to solve all your problems. It sounds great.

But two years ago, he was out for the year. And last year, I think he had his hands on the ball inside the two-minute drill five times with a chance to win and didn't get it done. Right. And he's not in camp right now. So you've got to learn the offense. You've got to build some camaraderie with your team. I don't know what Pittsburgh's doing at quarterback. I was kind of shocked they didn't take a quarterback at No. 21 today.

but they got a defensive tackle and good for them. Yeah. What do you think about some players that are coming out that might be a little bit undersized? You see reports like they need to get a little bit stronger once they get to the NFL. How do you evaluate a guy like that where you're like, he just needs to get stronger and then he'll be great as opposed to a guy that you look at and you're like,

I think he's about as strong as he can possibly be. Yeah, that's where you bring your strength coach in. He's got all the measurables. You know, they measure your bone sizes, your growth capacity. They take a look at your strength numbers. That's why they test at the combine. The problem is a lot of these guys don't even go to the combine and work out anymore. I mean, Will Johnson, the corner from Michigan, I guess did not run a 40 from what I'm told. A lot of the quarterbacks won't run. So, yeah,

It's not as conclusive as it used to be. It's not as well known what people actually run, what their true strength is, but you can measure their body fat and you get a sense of their work ethic and you got to interview the people in the training staff. You got to interview the people that this guy's been associated with to try to imagine where he's headed with his strength and his true capacity. Do you have a favorite draft pick?

I loved all my draft picks. I was asked me, and I've had some players that didn't perform that they say are busts. Well, I'm convinced if I was still coaching, they wouldn't be busts. You know what I mean? Selfishly, that's the mindset that I have. I mean, I love Max Crosby. That's easy to say. Hunter Renfro was a favorite draft pick of mine. Can we get him back in the league? He's going to be back. You watch this week. You're going to see a transaction. I love it. Yeah. He'll be back in football. He belongs in the league. He's

physically ready to go he'll be an exciting addition yeah i also think i'm just ripping off a couple i i think the cowboys did the anti-cowboys thing where people thought maybe they're going to take a wide receiver and they they were like hey we need someone to that's what they did yeah but zach martin just retired like that's what they did 20 years ago with tyrant smith and zach frederick right start building in the trenches they started building those guys the left tackle in dallas is a first round pick

Didn't play very good last year. The kid they took from Tulsa is a first round pick three years ago. BB's a second round pick. And now they took another first rounder. But I think this Booker guy, did you see him running around the facility? Yeah. I mean, I just think this Booker, he's the straw that's going to stir the drink in Dallas. He's going to get that group to come together. And he might kick the shit out of all of them if they don't. He's that kind of personality, that kind of presence. Yeah.

I think he's just what the Cowboys need. I love that pick. And the other two that I liked, I thought the Seahawks doing the same thing where they're going to get an offensive lineman because you got to protect Sam Darnold. And then I kind of liked what the Chargers did just because you need weapons on that offense. It didn't have the pop.

And they took Amarian Hampton from USC. Yeah, I was surprised by that. I mean, they just signed Najee Harris. Yeah. And I like Najee. Najee has four straight 1,000-yard seasons. He's almost the same size as Hampton. So now you've got two halfbacks. Don't get me wrong, they're good to have. They want to run the ball, though. They're going to want to run the ball. I watched the playoffs. They've got a bunch of Neanderthals. They look like a sumo wrestling team. They've got Justin Herbert at quarterback.

You know, they got to throw the ball in an indoor facility like they play in. Perfect conditions. I just thought they would take two or three receivers and help this guy throw the rock because he's really good at it. I think they'll end up taking one later in the draft. I just think that Harbaugh wants to run the ball. And I mean, they're just going to be set up to run the smash mouth football.

Well, they didn't run the ball against Houston. They couldn't. You know, they didn't run the ball. I think you got to throw the ball a little bit to run the ball. True. Good point. I know all you guys are big Harbaugh fans. I am too. Yeah. But they have three tight ends. They got a defensive lineman playing fullback. I know you want to run the ball, but.

You got Justin Herbert's all I'm saying. Yeah. Wide receiver, sprinkling a wide receiver. Just a little bit. Yeah. What about the Broncos? They got Baron at a cornerback. Yeah. They're, they're like taking their strength and making it a mega strength. They had 65 sacks last year. We all know about Sir Tan. He's a hell of a player.

To get a guy like Hofanga, I think I'm saying it right, from the 49ers, he's a badass, man. If he's healthy and now you get Barron, who can play the nickel, he can play in the slot, he can play in the safety position, he can play corner, he can play in the corner,

he's a strategic weapon and Vance Joseph's a good defensive coordinator, but they got better. I was hoping they took Travion Henderson. I wanted to get a speedy running back. Yeah. Cause I love Sean Payton. We go way back, but I can't deny they got a good player tonight. One last thing for you. I saw that you were talking about hanging out with Gentee and did he introduce you to Migos? Migos, is that how it went? Yeah. I've been learning about music. You know, I got Gentee got me on to Migos and I'm not just a fan. I mean, I'm,

I'm a true-blooded listener. Yeah. And, you know, young boy. Yeah. I got some of that now. I even got into Chris Brown after talking with your guy, Jaden Daniels. Okay. He turned me on to Chris Brown. Jackson Dart has helped me out a little bit. I'm evolving.

in the music world yeah i like that i'm gonna straighten you guys out when i see you uh next time i come through chicago but i miss you guys it's great to see you yeah it's great to see you too and uh thank you for what do you think of the bears pick i listen i'm just gonna trust whatever ben johnson oh shit no that's a cop out i mean all right yeah

The first nine picks broke poorly for the Bears in terms of what you were hoping, where it's like, hey, maybe Ashton Gentry falls, maybe Mason Graham falls. It basically went in order of like, you know, you had, what, two offensive linemen, all these guys get picked. I think Ben Johnson, he sees a little Sam Laporta in Colson Loveland. It's going to be a big part of the offense, two tight end sets. And

Our guy Blutman said he was his No. 1 ranked tight end. I love Loveland, too. He's a mismatched guy. You got to watch him a couple years ago because this year... Yeah, he didn't have a quarterback. He didn't have a passing game. And he was also hurt. He just had surgery in January. I went to the Outback Bowl in Tampa, whatever they call it. They played Alabama. So I got to go to Michigan and meet Coach Moore and watch the Wolverines practice. And he wasn't practicing. Did not play in the bowl game. But they love him at Michigan.

Yeah. I was just kind of curious what they're going to do with Cole Komet. I thought he would be a good pass receiver in Ben Johnson's offense. Yeah. I don't know if it's going to be – yeah, I don't know. But if you're going to play two tight ends, here's the problem. Which receiver do you take off the field? DJ Moore, the kid from Washington, or Keenan Allen? Well, I don't think Keenan Allen's going to be on the Bears, so we'll get him off the field. Okay, well, if Keenan Allen's not going to be on the Bears, there you go. Solve the problem. There's a problem solved tonight. Yeah.

Look how easy that is. Because when I watch the Lions play, they play what I call 11 personnel. You got one back, one tight end, three receivers. They did actually. I saw the stat because I basically, the minute a pick gets made, you just go and look for all the positive affirmation. And it was Ben Johnson, I think, was like second or third in the league in two tight end sets, 33% of the time. So he's going to do it. We're going to fucking...

Listen, Colson Loveland, that was my number one. I told you he was my number one prospect. I know. You called it. You walked in. I gave you credit, man. I might have been tipped off. He fumbled. He threw a pick six when he walked in. That's not true at all. He was asking for Malachi Starks. I did. I said Malachi Starks, but that was after the Ravens had already taken him. I was just bummed out. I said I had Malachi Starks too. Oh, yeah, yeah. And you remember last year who I had number one on my big board, right? Yes. Who's that?

Jaden Daniels, number one on the big board. I can vividly remember getting that shoved down my throat. And boy, did you hit that right on the freaking lottery, man. Yeah, so I did screw it up because Nate screwed it up for me because he told me that Mike Green got picked.

Remember that? Yeah. So Mike Green, I kind of like Mike Green. I watched a bunch of his highlights last week, and that dude seems like he should have been picked in the first round. Mike Green, the kid from Boston College, the safety from South Carolina, those are the top three, I think, defensive players that are coming right off the board. But I never did get my Sanerist still jersey.

Oh. You want this one? Well, no. I mean. No, take this one. No, I'm not taking it off your back. Well, you mentioned it because. You know, I. You like it. No, I'm not taking that. Take it. No, I don't want that. No, he's giving it to you. Take it. You got to take it now. I don't want it anymore. You got to take it. Okay. I'm going to get a Commerley jersey. Here we go. I'm going to give you my Monday night football tie. Oh, wow. It's like James Bond. I wore this tie on Monday night football.

It's the first time I've worn it. I think this was the Vikings Packers tie. Wow. I'm going to give you this. And it's my first barstool draft analyst tie. Yeah. That's a Brooks Brothers tie. We got to frame it. Put it up.

Oh, what a moment. I got to go now. Yeah, it's late. It's late. I really do admire you guys, man, the work you guys do. I appreciate it, man. We appreciate you, coach. You set a freaking tone around here. Yeah, got to set the tone. You know what? You need to set a freaking tone. Yeah, I love it. And standard is the standard, they always say. Standard is the standard. It was great, though, tonight, seeing Jersey Jerry swallow a grape. He took a defensive tackle he didn't know. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

Oh, thank you, Coach. He was so excited. Yeah. He thought he was going to get Shedursy. Yeah, he did. He was going Shedursy. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Coach Gruden. Real quick, we're about to get to our NBA and NHL playoff recap.

which we were taping while some of the games were going on. We should probably update. The Grizzlies lost, but they did cover. And also, Ja Morant is very injured. And Lou Dort, as a Lou Dort guy, I disavow. That was not a good play. Yeah, that was bad. That was really bad. It was bad. Ja landed. It looked like, where did he land? It looked like just on his face. His body hit flatly. So his hip hit.

Not good. That was all thunder. I mean, John not being in the Grizzlies are very limited offensively, but they did hold the Grizzlies to 31 second half points. That was bad. That was really bad. Lou Dort, we got to be better. I'm a Dorcher Chamber guy. But yeah, you're going to hear us recapping live. And I think we said that the Grizzlies were going to win. But then John Morant got hurt. Yeah, what did I say? I said, just wait. Yeah. But the Grizzlies did cover. That's true. Yeah.

So I took them plus eight and a half. So they did cover. But that was Thunder. Thunder are going to sweep just like we thought from the beginning. All right. We got to do real quick before we get to our playoff recaps. We're going to do our first baskets, which we all got wrong. So this is for Friday night. DraftKings.

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What do we got for first basket? Also, we did call correctly the Clippers. That one we called early, and they fucking killed the Nuggets. I'm going to go Derek White. Kristaps is plus 425. Oh, because it doesn't matter, right? Yeah, it's not a parlay. Derek White is plus 850. All right. Give me... What's Giannis? It's probably low. I'm just trying to see what we'll go through. Giannis is...

Plus $3.50. All right, love it. Did memes just make the nerd nugget? Yeah, he did. Was that the sound memes? I'm going to go with Luca plus $5.50. Okay.

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Easy on the magic. Tatum was invisible. Didn't play. That was a joke. I know. Yeah.

But I think that, I mean, this is all, this series doesn't, it's just. The Mavericks are just playing, Magic are just playing like scum. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. It's like if you're a really good team and you play borderline dirty, then you're just a really gritty team. If you're not quite that next level team and you play really dirty, then you're just dirty. And that's kind of what the Magic are falling into right now. I don't know if they're playing dirty as much as they're just not like coordinated and good.

They're just getting beat and getting mad. Yeah, yeah. You're talking about that one play specifically where Kristaps got elbowed in the forehead. I think he just doesn't understand how to control his body. I saw that guy fall down, and I was like, is that guy okay? Yeah, right. I was like, you're just kind of a spaz. Yeah, that wasn't dirty. That was like a, like...

And like a 12 year old that like an overgrown 12 year old. Yeah. Trying to figure out their limbs. That guy was all elbows and knees. Yeah. Fantastic for the DVD though. Those are the moments you need. Yeah. And you had the Joe Missoula quote afterwards saying, I like watching him bleed on the court. I think that's important. Talking about Chris stops. Porzingis. Awesome pictures for Porzingis. Like those.

If I were Porzingis, I'd have those framed in my house. Well, and it happened on the podcast the other night when LeBron went down, and I was joking because I was like, oh, LeBron just died, and the video came out where he was on the ground, and then there was a zoom-in angle of him opening his eyes to see if anyone was like,

Worried about him and then just got right out. And then you got the side-by-side with him and Porzingis with a bandage. They brought him back on the court. They didn't wipe him down at all. No. It looked like he had just like a mohawk died into his head of blood. Yeah. I would say, though, for the Celtics, like, obviously, I would assume Tatum's fine. They're just sitting him out because they don't take the magic seriously. The big story was that Jalen Brown. He was holding two bags on his way up the plane today.

Oh, okay. How heavy, though? No bandage. Double bags. But how heavy? Like a big, nice Louis. Wouldn't that be interesting if one of them was empty? Yeah, what was in the bags? Clothes, probably. It could be an empty bag. I guess. To your point, I don't think they need to play those type of mind games. Are we talking about a thick cable knit sweater? Or are we talking about a silk shirt? Wait. Clothes can be heavy. Hold on. You don't think Joe Mazzulla...

Would be like, hey, Jason, hold this empty bag on the way up the steps. That's true. But that's also something maybe you save. The empty bag trick? Yeah. Okay. I think Joe Mazzola actually might give him a heavy bag to carry up. So the story from this game is, did the Celtics use their empty bag trick too early in the playoffs? Did the Celtics empty the bag?

Some high-level analysis right here. Yeah, Jalen Brown looks completely healthy. 36 points. He was awesome. That would be your big takeaway, I would think. Yeah. Because, I mean, obviously his knee going into the playoffs is like, I hope he's okay. Also, this was a weird game because it was one of those... It was like a torture game because...

The Celtics never, they were always up about 10, never could like do the kill shot, but it was never the magic could win the game. Right. So you like, you like kind of were watching and being like, oh, you never know. Oh, it's eight. And then you're like, no, but it's never going to happen. Yeah. So with Tatum, how far can you go without Tatum? How long could, could you conceivably keep him on the bench? Well, I mean, to the top of the plane with the. Right. All the stairs. Yeah.

33,000 feet is what you're saying easily. Yeah. But no, how far, how far do you think you could make it just by, by sitting? I don't know. And luckily we're not going to have to find out. I hope luckily we're not going to have, but this is, it's a great team. It's a complete, you know, it's a team effort. Jalen Brown in his comments today said that the offense runs through Jason, like he's our playmaker. But when I need to step up, I have the ability to do that. So I think they, you know, Jalen Brown went out to be the same thing, but you want them both together. Like it,

We need everyone healthy. I just loved how much Porzingis loved his own blood. Yeah. He came jogging back on the court. He was like, this is kind of fun. Five stitches. I think it was WWE or AEW was in Boston recently. He was in the front row. I mean, it looked like he cut himself with a razor blade. It was such a perfect forehead cut. He liked the wrestling moment. Yeah. And Franz and Paolo are still good. It's just the rest of the magic or not.

Yeah. This is just you're just waiting out the time. Who you got next? Nick's? Ding-dong. Nick's or Pisson's? Ding-dong. Celtics Tatum doubtful for game three with, quote, severe wrist bruise. Okay. So that bag was empty. Severe wrist bruise. That bag was empty.

I could see Joe Mazzola putting extra weight in it and just having him carry up the steps and be like, I want the least painful part of your week to be when you're playing basketball. Yeah. Or like a mighty duck situation. He put it in the bag to see how you handle it. Yeah, Adam Banks. Yeah. Can you hold the stick? Cavs are up 2-0. This was a...

The Cavs' second quarter was one of the best shooting quarters I've ever seen. They went 11 for 14 from three. Absolutely crushed them. And then the Heat actually fought back and got to a two-point game, and then Donovan Mitchell just went nuts. Yeah, so Mobley got, what, Defensive Player of the Year? He did. That's pretty cool for him. Yeah. So he's always been a great defender, but it's good to see him recognized. In this game, I was playing softball during it. Yeah. So we'll get to that a little bit later.

But again, this goes along my policy of not really paying attention to anybody in the East besides the Celtics. Yeah. I mean, it was like the Cavs. The Cavs were up by a lot, and I give credit to the moral victory for the Heat is what I'd call it. I mean, moral victory for the Heat. They fought back. That they are in the playoffs. Yeah. Well, and also fighting back in this game because, like I said, 11-14 from three in the second quarter. Also, Tyler here, I'll probably be...

Taking some of his props on DraftKings. Oh, yeah. Call them out. They said what the Cavs need to do to continue to win. He said, pick on Tyler Hero. Yeah. Why do you say that? Well, because that's. Yeah. I know. Don't get me wrong, Big Cat. I know why you would think that. But why do you say it? I think it's a wild. It is wild. There's no reason to say something. Well, I think there's nothing Tyler Hero can do. So they don't poke the bear. But why try? Yeah. Well, I mean, they're talking about defense. Yeah.

He was good offensively. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if Tyler Harrow has it in his bag. But I guess it's like you're pushing your opponent to try. I guess, you know. Yeah, I think they're saying, like, he's not going to be able to guard us. And we're just going to keep getting switches until we find him. It's like when Bane is like, where's your precious Batman now? Yeah, I mean, it's happened. I mean, last year in the NBA Finals, they were just like, let's just keep switching until we find Luka.

It happens, yeah. This is what they do in the playoffs. They hunt. They hunt. They hunt for someone. But it's rare that you would publicly say, hey, that guy. Hey, excuse me, Mr. Journalist. I just want to say that that guy sucks. I think the Cavs probably are not scared of the Heat. Appears that way. Appears that way. They almost blew that game. They almost blew that game. Warriors Rockets is just a fist fight.

And Jimmy Butler might be out for a while. I don't know how. Do we have any update on his injury? But there is. But it was a it was a contusion, a contused pelvis. Oh, memes just had to tell Max, hey, they're talking about update on Jimmy Butler. Go look it up. Memes. Do you do you think you should be running the computer?

If I need a third computer, I'm doing audio and video. I just need a third one. So that Max can just sit back? Eagles are coming up on the clock. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. You said, quote, I can't wait to not care about who we pick. I know, but then when it comes down to it, I'm curious. I mean, just find who Howie Roseman, find who was mocked.

Wait, the Eagles have... You are not coming up on the clock. You're not even close to the clock. There's eight more picks. That's coming up. No, it's not. Eight is coming up. No, coming up, you got to be like three or four away. That's coming up, but it's not. I'm going to stop doing my job because the pick is coming up, coming up. That's... No. Dude, eight picks is like an hour away. This is crazy. No, you're crazy. It's draft time. I'm worried about the birds. What were you looking at?

He was worried about the Eagles coming up. Worried in what way? The Commanders are coming up, what, four picks before the Eagles? I'm not worried about them. I'm not worried. I was just curious. I was looking. Do you even know what you're looking up right now? Yeah, Jimmy Butler diagnosed with deep glute muscle contusion. That's on his pelvis, right? I don't even think I have that muscle.

Your ass? No, I mean the deep glute muscle? You have an ass. But deep glute muscle? I don't think you can even get to that. This is why Hank will never miss a playoff game in the NBA. Yeah. I don't even have a glute muscle. I don't know how I would injure my deep glute muscle. Well, it might have something to do with just falling directly on your ass. Maybe. And when it happened...

Everybody was like, they were pointing fingers at Draymond. They were pointing fingers all over the place. Draymond didn't do anything. I want to absolve Draymond in this collision. I like Draymond. I like what he said after the game. What did he say? They asked about the chance, yelling, fuck you, Draymond. He said, that's reserved for Boston. Oh. Did you see Steve Kerr? No. He got a little upset. He said...

Steve Kerr, that's a pussy-ass take.

Yeah, I would agree. Steve Kerr kind of got pretty smarmy with it after the game because he was talking about the physicality. Yeah. And he kind of looked down his nose at playoff intensity. It's like, dude, you won championships with Draymond on your team. Right. Yeah, that's the funny thing about— You can't see it from that other side. Yeah, the Rockets are definitely mucking it up, and it's a very physical series, and the rest are letting them play. But Warriors fans being like, this is egregious.

What are you talking about? Yeah, you don't get to do that. Max, can you tell me, what is Steve Kerr's son's name? Nicholas. Nicholas. Nicholas is correct. Nicholas is correct. But good for the Rockets. Jalen Green was incredible. He's like the most bipolar player. He had seven points in the first game, 38 points in the second game. But the big story about Jalen Green, it was shared during the broadcast.

His pregame meal is chicken Alfredo. I can't think of a worse meal to have before playing a basketball. Well, I don't know if you count that as pregame. Why? Because what it is, I think he eats the chicken Alfredo, then he takes a nap. Okay. And then he wakes up and then he plays basketball. Still, a belly of chicken Alfredo at any point is not...

Physical activity. I think he had to work his way backwards from having the, what's the best way that you can get some sleep before the game and be rested? I know I will eat a big dish of creamy pasta. So it's like, it's essentially taking NyQuil so that he can sleep so that he can play. I mean, 38 points, I guess, to Chicken Alfredo worked on Wednesday night. I just don't, I feel like Chicken Alfredo, I mean, I'm not, lasagna maybe?

I mean, amongst all the pastas, I would say that Chicken Alfredo, probably the worst. Yeah. Yeah. I can't think of... Maybe Gnocchi?

Yeah, but I feel like they never give you enough. No key. Yeah. But if you have like, oh, if you're at the buffet. No, but they always give you like 10. No key. You're like, I want more. No. Yeah. Maybe. Is that not right, Max? I just don't like the way you're saying it. No key. No key. I'm not going to say it. Say it for us. Italian and Yoki and Yoki and Yoki. Yeah. It's three syllables and Yoki. I'm not going to say it again. Okay.

In Yolki. In Yolki? But do you agree that they only give you... You don't say it like that. Memes, I 1,000% say it that way. Do they not give you enough in Yolki? That was good. That was pretty... Do they not... Do you agree? It depends the place that you go to. I've gone to some pretty fat places that give you a huge bowl. Of what? In Yolki. That's not even Italian. I think what you're doing is you're adding the extra vowel onto it. You're like, in Yolki.

Which is fine if you say it like that, but you can't say Anoki. It's the G-N. It's the G-N-O that you're saying. Anoki. I'm probably saying it wrong. I'm going to have Italians in my ass. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're going to have Italians in your ass. Yeah, you will. All up in your ass. Yeah, you will, Max. Maybe spaghetti meatballs, Max? You could play on spaghetti meatballs. Oh, yeah. You could play on spaghetti meatballs. It's actually spaghetti. It's the heavy cream. The heavy cream is just brutal. Yeah. Yeah.

Heavy cream. Yeah, the heavy cream, it's a very strange choice. But if it's for the purpose of just sleeping, I kind of get it. Yeah. But that's maybe one of those moves where once he turns 29 and they're going to be like, how are you changing your game? He'll be like, well, I started finally taking care of my body. You can't convince me that even with the nap in between, Jalen Green has not had at least a couple times this year where he's had a nasty burp while running up and down the court. Yeah. I'm like, oof.

Because those, you know, like the three-hour-later chicken Alfredo burps, you're like, ugh, that's gross. Yeah, creamy Alfredo and a glass of red wine before I get out there on the court. Yeah. That'll do it. Yeah, I mean, lasagna was the only one I could come up with.

Uh, if you're just picking with the pastas, I don't know what it like, uh, a perot pierogi dinner would be tough too. Yeah. Pierogi would be, would be tough, but those are, that's another one where they don't give you like a ton. Yeah. But when I get them, I get like four different kinds. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Pierogi might be the most underrated pasta dish.

I don't even count it as pasta because it's Polish. Yeah, but it's got the pasta around it. Yeah, that's just a Polish pasta. Okay, Knicks-Pistons. Knicks win. Jalen Brunson was great. He was great. Say something positive about Jalen Brunson. Also, Cat was great. I bet Cat to have a bounce-back game. I feel like this is just what Cat does. Next game, he's probably going to be invisible. The game after, he's going to be awesome. Also, the Knicks-

Turns out passing the ball works because I felt like they passed the ball a lot better. It wasn't just ISO ball and the Pistons fought till the bitter end. I think the end of the game, the last like 10 seconds took like 25 minutes. There was a bunch of reviews. The game and inbound. I think the clock operator gave him a little something, something extra and they kept on fighting, kept on fighting.

Yeah, Jalen Brunson was good. Let's say something nice about Jalen Brunson. Yeah, I mean, he was definitely more fun to watch tonight. But that's what we said. When the Knicks win, they tend to be – it's easier to look at them as being fun. And when they lose, you look at them and you're like, God damn it, Knicks, why are you burning yourselves out? This isn't fun brand of basketball to watch. Yeah, they had 15 assists on – was it Monday night?

There are two wins in this series. I think they had 22 and 26 assists. So I know that's not an advanced analytics thing. It's not a huge, crazy stat, but it does feel like when the Knicks pass the ball a little bit more, get Carl Anthony Towns involved. And he was involved early. I think he had like 11 or 13 in the first quarter. He had 25 halfway through the third. Did you watch the big difference?

Yeah. This is the very end? Yeah, no, I just said it took like 25 minutes. Yeah, but what happened was crazy because the Knicks were shooting foul shots and they intentionally missed the second. Correct. Half a second left. And what happened was the home clock operator for the Pistons started the clock as the free throw was still happening. And so the clock ticked down to zero. The buzzer sounds the whole deal before they even get a chance to rebound it. So what happens is...

Then you have the Pistons that get a free inbound. The clock stops, and you get to inbound the ball and attempt a shot as opposed to it working out perfectly for the Knicks. The game's over at that point if the Knicks hadn't had the buzzer sound on them because they missed the free throw beautifully, and that was that. That is a loophole, and I'm actually not mad at the clock operator. No, that's what I'm saying. It was a home – yeah.

Yeah, you need the help. It's a great job by the home clock operator. That's definitely a trick that he saw at some point during a regular season. And you mentally file that away as a clock operator. And you're like, when the team needs me, I've got the best play that I can do to contribute to the win. Like, what do you do? Do you kick the clock operator out? I know what I do. Hold on. You call Rico Bosco. I mean, he was watching the game. He's a Knicks fan.

He's got to know. He's a clock operator. We got to get his take on it. He's probably so pissed. Oh, yeah. He's got to be so pissed. There's no way he's still up, right? He tuned out the traffic. Oh, no. The Giants are picking right now. He might be live. Oh, this is bad if he doesn't pick up my phone, though. What was that email? Find Rico Bosco replacement. Yeah, we'll email that if anyone wants a job. Okay. Grizzlies are getting killed.

Sorry, Grizzlies are killing the Thunder. Yeah, because the Grizzlies are getting killed. Thunder are getting killed. Down by 15. Nine minutes left in the second. Just wait. That's Clippers Nuggets. Yeah, you're looking at Clippers Nuggets. That was a bad 30 seconds by both of us. Let's restart. All right, here we go. Three, two, one. Thunder are getting killed. PFT. 77 to 51 and a half. That's crazy. It is crazy. I didn't expect that. Just wait.

Just wait. Just wait. You think they're going to come back and win that game? You heard it here first. I think the Thunder are going to come back. I'm going to say Grizzlies. This is one of my favorite things to bet in the playoffs is just if a team goes down. It's two rules because I gave out the Rockets on Wednesday's show. I said take the Rockets. If a home team goes down 0-1, take them in game two. If a road team goes down 0-2, they lose the first two games on the road, take them game three at home.

The bounce back game. Yeah, this could be a true gentleman sweep here. Yeah. Memphis had to do something at home. But I'll tell you what, huge for the aggregate score.

Yeah. Massive. Because they were, it was trending to be like a, the Thunder beat the Grizzlies by 100 plus. Now they might be able to even it out a little bit. So the Thunder in the first half have only made one three-pointer. That's not good. They're one for five, one for 11 from three right now. So they will not come back and win this game if that continues. But I remain hopeful that they'll get it within 10. Yeah.

By the way, and then the other game, the Clippers look really good. Maybe we'll update it because we're taping all out of order. We'll see some more of that game. Let's talk some hockey. Your caps are up 2-0. 2-0, most dangerous lead in hockey. Most dangerous lead in hockey. You feel good? Yeah, we got a good Logan Thompson game last night. Okay, so you feel good. Yeah, so like I've been saying, the goaltending is a big question. Logan Thompson, the way they put it on the broadcast last night was Logan Thompson is their 1A goaltender.

And I don't think they really followed it up with anything. But when you say that, you strongly imply that there's a 1B behind it. Right. Meaning that you don't really have a goaltender. But he played really well last night. He made some incredible saves in the third period. So he was responsible for the win. Then, obviously, Connor McMichael, great game.

Some of the guys, it wasn't as dominant as a performance as we saw in like the first two periods of the first game. Win's a win. Escape the barn 2-0, keep it on schedule, and then up to Montreal where Oldie will be joining me in Montreal. Show me around. Ha-ha. So shout out to all the Canadians up there. I guess you speak French in Montreal. Mm-hmm. So I took four years of French in elementary school. Mm-hmm.

Elementary school. Elementary school. We. Elementary school? Yeah. In my elementary school, it had like two periods a day that you could go. I learned math in French and I learned science in French. Whoa. And the fucked up thing is doing division in French, it's completely different from doing it in English. So then I got to middle school and I was like, how the fuck do you do division now? Holy shit. Yeah. Screwed me up for a while. Damn. But yeah, I think I still remember some French stuff. Où est la bibliothèque?

uh and plus de beer you're reading off your computer no i'm not i just saw you i'm not you want to be like yes it's bibliotech right there that's the thunder grizzly score this is bibliotech live score so um yeah i'm pumped to check out montreal and just basically pumped to spend time with oldie yeah it's gonna be great caps look good i still feel like it's our year

I am keeping an eye, a very close eye on the Maple Leafs though. Ooh, yeah. So they are team destiny. By the way, Rico just texted me back. This is big for us because I see sometimes there's a complaint that our NHL recap is not long enough. We will have biz on next week. We're not the experts in hockey. We do have hockey experts we'll have on, but this will all count towards the NHL recap timestamp. So we'll have Rico and that will be part of it.

Bosco. What's up? You called? Yeah, I called. What do you mean? You saw that I called. Yeah, fair. What's up? Well, I mean, what was that question? You saw that I called. Could have been a pocket dial. Could have been a pocket dial. Could have been, you know, I don't know. Okay, all right. All right, so we're taping PMT right now. What happened at the end of the Knicks-Pistons game in terms of a clock operator's point of view?

Yeah, I'm being a little dunked on because I'm calling the guy the Pistons' clock operator. They say it's a neutral clock operator for the playoffs, so people are getting mad about that. But either way, basically the guy operating the clock at the Pistons should be fired. It's horrific.

I expect that error from a fucking mom volunteering at St. Anne's who had a couple of cocktails up at Lee's in between the 5 o'clock game. Very relatable. Very relatable. St. Anne's, Lee's. I do not expect this from a pro. You've got to be bent. You've got to turn in your card, your credential. It's horrific. And I said spin zone. I know you guys love the spin zones on that show. Oh, shit. This sets a precedent. You know, if you got your hooks into...

or you want to see who's going to win, you just do the error and hope the team gets the rebound and then they take it out on the side with a chance to win. You know what I mean? Well, yeah. That's what the play was. Yeah. So walk us through what you thought should have happened. You've got to fucking wait until someone touches the ball, man. It's a day one mistake. Yeah. So do you think it was intentional, Rico? I think that there's a possibility it could have been intentional.

Okay, and so you got some information saying that it's a neutral clock operator. So they fly these guys in? I guess. Yeah, I don't. I think it might be the alternate. I don't really know. I'll be honest. I don't know. That was nice. College has table staffs or, you know, whatever, like seeing all those guys who work there and whatever. In and out of the NBA table staff, I have not cracked. You haven't cracked it. Can you crack that for us?

I'll try. Yeah, I do know the guy at the garden. I email him every year. Hey, you know, have a great season. I like hoping if you need anything, I'm available. Like put me in the rotation and he just says, thanks. I'll keep you in mind that he for 10, the last 10 years, he has not put me in his rotation. You're talking, you're talking about the Madison square garden. You wanted to do the clock there.

I would start doing the book. I would start being his spotter. I would start. Yeah. Do they have a book still? You know you have a job, right?

Yeah, Dan, I'm saying from 10 years ago, I used to fucking email the guy. But then you said you emailed him every year. I know. I was, you know. Never give up on your dreams. It's a little exaggeration. Like Billy Joel said about fucking when he wrote Piano Man. Like, you know, there's a little exaggeration. When he wrote Piano Man. Yeah, when he wrote about Piano Man. Wait, Rico, I got a question for you. Do they still have a book? They still have a what? Is it still a book? I would figure that it would be just a computer system by now.

No, you still do pen and paper in the book. Okay, Rico, last question. Say something about hockey because this is all going in the hockey recap and we need to just be like, yeah, we actually were talking hockey that time. Yeah, I'll give a pitch to my show, Pick Central. No, no, no, no. I said say something about hockey. Okay, I will, Dan. We got Merle's on every day now. Merle's the best. We love Merle's. A goal scorer. We're chasing the plus sign because we don't know shit about hockey. Say something about the NHL playoffs.

I got Vegas to win the cup and they look like shit. Last game, big favorite. They're losing tonight. Or as we speak, it's 2-1. Yeah, I'm in trouble with my future. It's 4-1. It's 4-1. Rico, update. It's 4-1. 4-1? Yeah, 4-1. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Okay, good puck recap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, thanks, Rico. Okay, thank you.

Rico, crack that case for us. Yeah, please do. I will. I'll try to crack that case. All right, okay. It might take a long time to crack that case because I did. Bye, Rico. You can hang up. Hang up. Okay. Yeah, it's going to take a while to crack that. I just did a Google search, and in approximately .5 seconds, I found out, yes, it is a neutral clock operator that they fly out to playoff sites. So consider that nut cracked. That could be a hockey take.

I have to text him what was speaking of the Kraken because that could have been you cut out. Yeah, that might have been a good joke. Okay, Leafs year. Oh, wait, he's going to say speaking of the Kraken, how about that fat fuck Max in his pants? That's what he's going to say. I'm not making the joke. Rico was going to say, no, I intercepted his joke. No, you said it. I intercepted it, then I threw it to my own team. Who's your team? I pitched it back to you, Max. Yeah, he threw it back to you. Yeah, now you return it. Thanks. Leafs year.

Overtime winner. It might be the Leafs here. Not worth on the pod, inside barstool question. All good. He was on the pod when... Speaking of the Kraken. Rico isn't capable of going on to a barstool podcast without saying something, actually, let's keep this off of this podcast. Yeah, like, what do you mean? You were on...

Okay. He loves bringing up on a podcast, let's not keep this in the pot. Hey, Dan, thank you for asking me on Department of Tech so I can talk about the one thing in the world I'm an expert at, which is clock operator. I don't know the answer to the question, and also I'd like to talk to you about my future employment at Boston Sports. By the way, Lee's...

The pizza place you said? Very good. I actually have been there. Okay. Can you get cocktails? I've never been a female coaching eighth grade at St. Ann's, though. Okay. So that's where the relatability fell off. Got it. Yeah. But yeah, it does feel like the Leafs here. Yeah. They look really, really good. Although it would be very, very funny if they get a 3-0 lead. Mm.

that would be funny. PFT. I don't, I'm not wishing that for the Toronto Maple Leafs, but it would be fun. But even if you're a Leafs fan, you're thinking that, God damn, this would just be comedy. Yeah. If you're a fan of comedy, you will appreciate it. They've done it again. Yeah. Yeah. Uh,

And Panthers, by the way, Panthers, who are the defending Stanley Cup champion, up 2-0 on the Lightning. I'm worried about the Avs. That was bad. Another overtime loss, two in a row. That feels bad. That's a bad feeling. Especially how late the games are. Again, you can just... For me personally, they're bad. If you're the Avs, you can just blame the system.

Yeah. We shouldn't be playing these guys in the first round. Come on. Yeah, the system is fucked up. You're right, PFT. Yeah, fight the powers that be. It was the system that got me. You know what's great about the system, though? Freebird has become the NHL theme song now. Yeah, I know. They play it like six times a night. In and out. Yeah. It's so good. Of the commercials. And by the way, the Kings, I wish I had known about the Harmonica band before the playoffs because I would have bet the Kings. They got to do every game, right? Every single game. Every single game. The fact they brought it back is like that's a team that is...

They got their eye, they got their ear to the street. That was very smart of them. How long was that hockey talk? 17 minutes. Oh, I love it. I love it. I just made that number up. Okay. We will have an expert on, though. Are any goalies standing on their heads? I would assume...

Let's see. Bennington, I feel like, has been standing on his head the last two games, maybe? He's capable. Well, no, they're down 2-0. They're winning right now. Actually, I'm watching right now. He just gave up a goal, so that was a bad call. You pushed him off his own head. Oh, the Bob, right? Yeah.

Bobrovsky? Yeah, he had a shutout tonight. Bobrovsky standing on his own head. That was pretty good. I thought that Logan Thompson stood on his head for about two periods last night. Yeah, so there you go. That's good. So that's a big time standing on the head. And I feel like the Devils haven't scored any goals. I might be wrong, but it feels like the Devils haven't scored any goals.

they might have scored like one or two goals, maybe even more than that. But it feels, doesn't it feel like to you? Also, whoever the Stars goalie is, Ottinger, is that who the Stars goalie is? Yeah. He's been definitely standing on his head because he's won two overtime games.

It's really hard to say after one round of the Stanley Cup playoffs who is looking like they could win the Cup because you don't know with the matchups that they have. Right. It could all be about the team that you're playing against. I was looking at the Stanley Cup bracket today, and I know it's the same as the NBA in terms of numbers of rounds, but for some reason it feels so much harder to get to a Stanley Cup final than it does to get to an NBA final. Completely agree. Yeah. Less time between games.

Yeah, they play every other night, which is nice. That is very nice that they do that. It's easy to... Anyone can win an NBA title. It's not even really a championship. Stanley Cup. Now, that's a sport. Hank? Oh, that wasn't referring to Hank. They've been selling stuff 18 NBA titles. But he's coming at you right now about these players. Oh, yeah, I'm saying, like, easy. Easy to win.

It's not. I don't know what I'm supposed to say there. I mean, you just cakewalk through the East. It's trying to poke you. It's not. The Cavs are good and Magic are tough. Next, Bing Bong. I'm dying to know what this Kraken joke is, and he won't say it. He keeps saying more of a bad joke. All good in cab home. Have a good show in cab home. So he can't talk. He can't talk. Can't talk in a cab. I'm going to say right now. The Clippers are up to one calling it.

Okay. You like that? Putting a pin in it? Making an early call. It is. They're better than the Nuggets. It's just, I think they are. It's the second quarter? Yep. And they're up 18. Okay. And I'm going to say it right now. I mean, the Clippers, Hank, you said it the other day.

Clippers might be a problem. Barstool Sports is projecting that the L.A. Clippers have won this game. Yeah, we're calling it. It's not too early to call. We're calling this fight. The Clippers are up 2-1, and the Clippers are good. And we'll see. I mean, James Harden's playing well tonight. Did you see what they did in L.A. to try to distract Jokic? No. This was great.

Pull this up on the TV, Max. This, by the way, still counts as NHL talk. Yeah, it is. This is technically NHL. It's actually horse racing talk. Yeah. So at Intuit Dome, they have horse hats that they put in the front row tonight to distract Jokic. Look at these hats. Let me see it.

Oh, I love it. They're like full-on horses. I love it. Look at that. So they're trying to distract him with it. I think, however, this could be a bad move. I could see a world where this backfires. It's like when you have a real baddie sitting in the front row. Yeah. And then all of a sudden Jordan Poole is dropping 62 points. He gets in his zen spot. Yeah, so Jokic sees these horses and he's like, I got a stunt for these hoes. All right. Just say the fucking joke, dude. Well, it's not a joke. Yeah, it's more like whatever. So listen, the thing next month...

Where I'll be providing definitely skills as a referee. I also have skills as a player. Okay. What does that have to do with the Kraken? You were going to say something about the Kraken. You said the thing about the Kraken. Oh, no. I was going to say Kraken into the lineup. You know what I mean? Oh, all right. Okay, bye. All right. That was bad.

That would have been such an all-time moment if he said, I was going to say cracking like Max's belt. Yeah, that would have been way better. But good thing we got you ready for that, Max, just in case he did say it. Thanks, guys. Yeah, you were ready. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. I'm just happy we found out that he's got skills in that thing that we're doing. Yeah, that thing we're doing. We've got to keep it under wraps.

Okay, he treats the most inconsequential stuff like they're the nuclear codes. Correct, correct. You got to just be worried that the FBI is listening at all times. Okay, should we get to our interview with Justin Thomas? Let's do it. All right. Before we get to JT, he's brought to you by our good friends over at Truly Hard Seltzer and their new Truly Unruly Lemonade. The stuff is delicious. It tastes so good.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest recurring guest fresh off his big victory at the RBC Heritage. It's Justin Thomas JT Congrats. First of all, we got to start with the question. We always ask when we have a golfer on after they've won Has it hit the account yet? Yes. Oh this morning at some point today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah How is that refresh when you when you looked it up probably pretty good?

To be honest, I didn't see it firsthand, but I do know it's there. Someone told you that they saw it. That's a great feeling. Do you still have the plaid jacket? Do you take that with you?

Uh, you can, it wasn't my size. So they're sending me my size. Okay. Yeah. It's a pretty cool jacket. I would say. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. My, uh, my cousin is adamant that he's wearing it to his sister's wedding this fall. So we'll see how that goes. Yeah. You got to let him. So, all right. So incredible, uh, win for you. It had been three years. Uh,

really happy you're back in, you know, up at the top of your game. What has the three years been like? Because, you know, you went through some ups and downs. Golf is a brutal sport. Was there ever a moment where you're like, I might not find it again, even though I know I can do this? I mean, a little bit. It's been a while. I can't believe it was three years. I mean, I feel like the first year felt like it was forever and that it took forever and then,

Then last year felt like I played better and gave myself some chances. It just didn't get it done. And then it was kind of joking with the media when I got done that it luckily on my end had been so long. Like I was past the point of being asked every week, like, you know, it's been this long since you've won. Like, when's it going to happen? I was like, you guys basically just, you had to move on. You had other stuff that you need to talk about. So that was way in the past that I didn't have to worry about it anymore, which was nice. But yeah,

or be reminded of it, I should say. But there's definitely some times mentally where you're, I just was trying to remind myself that,

It is really hard to win, and there's a reason. There's only one of them every single week. And to try to somehow stay patient, then my time would come. But that's always easier said than done. Yeah. It was funny because I saw something, I think it was on NBC, and some of the analysts were talking about your career. And because you won this weekend, they said, I could make an argument that he is the best American player of his generation. Yeah.

which is really crazy that they said that like right after you won as if that's the reason why it's not anything else. Have you, have you thought about like what that wind, like now you're officially in the conversation because of this one win?

Yeah, I laughed. Somebody sent that. It's like, well, you know, where I didn't hear that being said at all in the last, you know, the last couple of years. It just somehow it was a big win for me. But I didn't know it was that big. So I guess that's great. But you know how sports are. They have a lot of recency bias in there at any time that happens.

everybody wants to talk about whoever's the most recent winner or who's playing the best at that time. But I mean, I do know over the course of my career, you know, I have, I've been fortunate to rack up some, a good amount of wins and,

and different things here and there. But, you know, I got a lot more that I want to accomplish. So hopefully by the end of my career, I have a little better argument than, you know, some people just saying they think that after one win type thing. You know, you were dog shit last week. And now this week, you're one of the best of all time. So congratulations. Is there a thing where you get a win and you feel like you might be able to go out there and play just like a little bit lighter, like a little bit more free without the expectation?

For sure. I got more and more comfortable each time I'd get in contention, I'd say this year. I think last year I put so much pressure on myself every time I got in contention that I had to win. And I just felt like it was really hard winning.

but I never played well on Sundays. I mean, I would have some good finishes, but I never really had a chance the last couple of holes or the back nine. And then I feel like this year I tried to learn from that a little bit and, and then really I'm just trying to be more patient and let it happen. And, um,

So it's I feel I'm just trying to learn from, you know, the past couple of years of mistakes of trying too hard almost. But that's always another thing in golf. That's way easier said than done. Yeah. All right. I got a dumb question for you. It's a it's a who's the alpha question. I saw that you credited Xander Shoffley for helping you with your putting.

Now, are you the alpha because you basically tricked one of your competitors? I know you guys are friends, but your competition into helping you? Or is he the alpha because Justin Thomas can't win again without Xander Shoffley's help? Damn, that is a... I don't know if that's a stupid question. That's a good question. Thank you. Yeah, it's... Because I read it. I read it and obviously the initial... How normal human beings should think is that's a really cool story. Guys helping each other out. I obviously read it was like...

Well, now I got to figure out who's got the edge here. I think you have the edge now. I think he had the edge until you won. Yeah. And then he's like, yeah, he's coming to me for advice. I'll give him a couple of pointers here and there. But now that poor fella, this poor little guy, I'll help him out. Yeah. Cause now, now you can take what he taught you and then like add one small wrinkle. Here's what really put me over the top. Right. And then teach him. You have to give him advice back.

Or do I? Or do you? That's the thing. I think to really make sure that I'm standing my ground in this alpha battle is if I get asked down the road, just be like, nah, I'm good. Yeah. Well, you also can't let Xander come up to you and be like, hey, JT, you want another tip so you can win again?

Cause that would be devastating. Yeah. Yeah. That's, you know what? Honestly, I don't give a shit. As long as I would keep winning tournaments. I don't care how I get them. Yeah. You can, you can leave these debates up to us. Cause we, you know, we have, we have endless amounts of time to do the dumbest circular debates that make no sense. So yeah, we'll handle this. How does it feel? Like, obviously this win is big, but it's also a Ryder cup year. I know you want to be back on the team.

It had to have been a little uncomfortable two years ago where you were just like, your name was hotly debated. Not you weren't, you weren't out there saying like, oh, I need to be on the team, but it was being, you were part of the debate of who makes the last spot. Is that part of like a motivation this year being like, Hey, I want to get it. So I'm not in this debate anymore. I'm just on the team.

For sure. The last having to rely on a pick for Rome and then hoping to get a pick of the President's Cup last year or not, it sucks. Like it's the worst feeling ever. And I mean, it's kind of hard for me.

to like be looking for sympathy or for people to feel bad for you. Cause I mean, it's my own fault. I mean, if I would have played better or put myself in a position where I qualified, I wouldn't have had to deal with it. I was fortunate that I haven't had to had passed. And I like being an automatic qualifier and being a part of those conversations of who the picks are a lot more. So I definitely want to make sure that,

I'm not relying on a pick because it's not a fun place to be in. And it's just, it's, you know, you're damned if you do damned if you don't. But as long as I can get that top six, I don't have to worry about it. In the Ryder Cup, when we're playing on the road, what are the things that the opposing crowd can do that makes life very difficult for a Ryder Cup golfer? It's, man, it's so bizarre. It's...

It's just uncomfortable. I think it's hard to explain, but it's just a...

you know, you don't have the difference of other sports where it's, you know, they're, it's not like they're loud while you're, while you're hitting or anything, it's still golf. And I think that's what's such a unique and different part of it compared to other sports, but it's just the, the roars for them versus the roars for, for the U S or, you know, the, the shit that's maybe being said to you between shots or, or, you know, walking from greens to teas, whatever it is. I just think there's just little things there that if you,

aren't ready for it mentally or if you maybe aren't sure how to cope with it, it can be really, really tough. And it's just not something that we ever deal with. So

It's not a good rep for our soft golf image that we have, that's for sure. Yeah, I mean, Long Island's going to be ready. We know that. But if there's going to be like, I'm trying to find the small differences, the details that the fans can be on that might give a boost. Like, what's it like if you're playing in Europe and you hit a shot, it's a terrible shot, it goes in the water, and then to hear the crowd erupt in cheer, what's that like?

After you hit it because on the tour you never get that that never happens if you had a bad shot everyone's like oh, oh no Oh dear, but out there they're like fuck. Yeah, this guy just screwed up. That's awesome.

Yeah, it is. It's it's it really is a little stuff like that. But it honestly, it's the difference of roars for us versus them. Like it's it's wild and it's hard to explain, but it's, you know, when depending on the golf course, how the routing is, if you're three or four holes away from, you know, the first match out near the last match.

you know when you hear a roar if it was for you or for them, depending on where you are. And it's just when the crowd gets really loud behind your team, I think it's probably more of what it is. It's just the support for the home team versus the disadvantage for the away, you know, like the taunting or whatnot of the away team. Because like you said, it's Long Island. It's

It's going to be chippy. We all know that. I'm just glad they're on our team. Stu Feiner's going to be there for Scottie. That's going to amp him up. It's just going to be a bunch of Stu Feiners out there. It's just Long Island people just going nuts. Also, dumb question. So you win the RBC Heritage. You beat Andrew Novak. He has not won a tournament before. What's the proper amount of talk afterwards? Because that's a tricky situation where –

I know if like I lose and someone's like trying to like, you don't want to pat him on the back too much, but you also want to be like, Hey dude, you played great. So what, how was that conversation? Yeah, I just, I mean, first off, it's kind of, it was kind of like a blackout moment. Like I'm a little unconscious of, of kind of the celebrating and what's going on. And then it is, it's, it's just like, Oh God, I have to take my hat off and like shake this guy's hand now. But it was a, I mean, I just said, you know, great, great plan this week. And

You know, we'll see in a couple of weeks. That's pretty much all it is. It's there's not, there's, there's not a whole lot. There is a funny story. A handful of years ago, Jordan speed was in a playoff with Tom Gillis, who is not, doesn't play professionally anymore. Um,

and Jordan beat Tom in a playoff. And for the whole year, Jason Duffner was grilling Jordan. He's like, man, he's like, you just ruined Tom Gillis' career. He could have been, he would have had a two-year exemption. He would have been in Maui, Kapalua. He would have taken his family there. They would have been swimming with the dolphins of the tournament champions, but you had to beat him in a playoff. Oh.

And ruin his life. Oh, man. Absolutely. And it's probably, yeah, I mean, he's not playing anymore. Yeah. You got to change his name and go into comedy. Yeah. Hopefully Andrew Novak wins one so you're not, you know, it's not like, hey, Justin Thomas, he was that close and then Justin Thomas ended it for him. You got to be the biggest Novak fan in the world now. Yeah. Yeah.

I got faith that Gilly was a little closer to the end of his career and Andrew's playing well. So I, boy, I haven't thought of that after saying the story. And yeah, I definitely hope that it pans out now. Yeah. Do you, if you're in the lead going into the, going into Sunday, do you talk with your opponent? Because I know Bryson was a little miffed. He's miffed at Rory for not chopping it up out there on the course.

I feel like a lot of guys just do their own thing, but yeah, what do you do? They do, especially when it's twosomes. I think when it's threesomes, it's way slower and like you're just something. It just, it's different. Like you have way more time that you're waiting and like you just kind of happen to talk more. But I mean, when it's twosomes, there's times where you just are kind of someone hits it this way, someone hits it this way. And you kind of, you're just, you're going your separate way, just you and your caddy the whole time. And also, yeah, I'm not,

really out there to, to like have a big conversation. I mean, you'll catch up here and there, but, um, I'd say that's pretty, pretty normal amongst everybody that we're just out there taking care or trying to take care of business. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, do you want to comment at all about Alabama football? No, I'm good. Okay. That's, that's interesting. Cause I would feel like if we had had you on at any point in the last nine years, you would have been like, fuck. Yeah, I do. Um,

How's it going? Actually, my Badgers have to go to Tuscaloosa. That's going to suck for me. I went to the game in September this year at Camp Randall, and I think the Badgers were up 3-0. I was like, this doesn't mean anything. And I had an Alabama fan sitting next to me. They're like, yeah, we're not worried. And then you guys won like 42-3 or something. So you get that win, but other than that,

It was an interesting year. We got a lot of spoiled Alabama fans. I'm not near as bad as I used to be. I think I used to be unbearable to watch games with, at least that's what I've been told. But I mean, hey, it was first year for a coach and I hate what's going on in NCAA sports right now with the NIL and the transferring. I just think it's not good for college sports and the athletes in general. But

You know, we're basketball school now. Oh, good spin zone. Oh, okay. How many championship games have you guys been to? What's that? You guys have been to a bunch of championship games, right? In basketball. In basketball. All right. I get it. What about do you as an Alabama fan acknowledge Rico Bosco as an Alabama fan? Rico Bosco is an Alabama fan? Yeah. All right. So there we go. That was the answer we needed. He's a Nate Oates fan. He's a Nate Oates fan. He's a Nate Oates fan over everything. So he just rides with Nate Oates.

Nate Oates is – he's – I'm a big Nate Oates fan. I remember the first time I ever met him, it was like an Alabama charity event for the golf team, and he was just – he had just gotten signed as a coach, and he's just mowing down an ice cream cone, and he's like, what do you do? I was like, I play golf. He's like, nice. I don't know anything about golf. I was like, sounds good, coach. I still like to. I'll see you down the road. Wait, so did you – have you given some money to the new Alabama facilities? Because it looks insane.

I have. Yeah, it's nuts, man. It's, uh, I don't know. I, I, I told coach C well, our, our golf coach, this is the most impressive thing he's ever done as a coach to raise that much money in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. That's, uh, that facility is just bananas. And they, um,

Yeah, all the good stuff happened after I left school. Yeah, so how many eight or nine win seasons for the football team before we're starting to do some repo work on the golf stuff and being like, all right, we're selling this simulator, we're raising this whole building because we've got to get the money back to the football program?

Yeah, you know, that's true. They may have to start, like, leasing or renting out, like, half of the golf facility, like, have people living in the locker room, stuff like that. Yeah. They'll find a way, you know. That's what the athletic department's for. Yeah. When you're looking back to 2016, 2017, are you like, man, those spring breaks were movies, absolute scenes, the golf bros? Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty good? Which one was better, 2016 or 2017? Yeah.

The first one was better. It was 2016 because it was our first time. And I felt like the next year we went, we wanted to do it, but it felt like we had to. And we had to be posting a certain... It was different. It took away the...

the fun of the, you know, the debauchery of a, of a boy's trip of just playing golf and just, you know, drinking beers all the time. But I think the first one was better just with how Sunday went in the masters for Jordan and smiley being on the final group and not,

and Smiley playing poorly and Jordan, you know, having a, having a tough back nine and not winning. So it was, it was, everything was needed for that trip. Yeah. Just hit like a nice reset on there. That's how a lot of these vacations go. You go on a trip with your boys, you have a great time and everybody's like, we got to do this again every year. And then you try to do it the second year and it's kind of like the first one, but it's maybe not quite as fun. But it was a good group of dudes.

If you go back to the same place, for sure. I have tried to pretty much every year since I've left home. I'm really close with a group of guys who I went to high school with, and I do a boys' trip with them every year. We'll have three, four of us. Now that everyone's got families, it gets pretty tough. I'm just like, we just need to, whether they come here or we go somewhere, but we try to do somewhere different, and it's a blast. Do you play golf on your boys' trips?

Yeah, because that's all they want to do. I'll bring like a left-handed set sometimes. I have one friend who talks a lot of shit and I just love beating him left-handed because then he can't say anything and it really, really, really hurts him inside. So I remind him of that quite often. Yeah, that's such a dick move, but I respect it. That's what best friends do to each other. What do you shoot left-handed? What's that? What do you shoot left-handed?

I've only played full 18 holes twice, and I'm kind of like right around 100. But I can shoot mid-40s.

If, if I'm not drinking, when I start drinking, if I'm drinking and I'm playing left-handed, like it is bad. I can't, I, I just, I hit a point and I'm like, this, this, I don't know why you guys play golf. Like this isn't fun. I can't do anything I want to do. Yeah. Yeah. That's how we play golf. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much every time we go out. All right. So Hank has, uh, he's right here. He's, he's a, our golf pro. You got some questions for, for JT Hank?

Yeah, a couple questions, JT. You're a whoop guy. I've been wearing my whoop. My first question, I was just curious, like what the stress stats difference is between like a Sunday back nine and maybe like a Thursday, you know, Thursday, Friday, first or second round. Like is there a big difference? And is there a way for you to like simulate pressure when you're practicing like that? That's a good question. I'm pretty confident.

I haven't looked at the stress before. I have my phone right here. I'm going to give you just full-blown... Some raw data. Because I saw they posted Rory's when he was in the playoff at Sawgrass, and it was like his stress went all the way low before he hit his playoff shot on 17. It seems crazy to me to be able to control that, but obviously that's what you guys do. Yeah, I've done some stuff in past of like...

Yeah, I mean, it looks like they were pretty similar. It was a little lower on Thursday and Friday than it was on Sunday, but pretty similar. But, I mean, I've done, like, some stuff, some breath work stuff to where I know how to at least try to kind of get my heart rate down. My heart rate's higher, I would say, way higher than Rory's or some other people, but it's more of just kind of like my –

getting it to my whatever baseline is type thing. Yeah. You ever do the back away where you're, you're about to hit a big putt and you're like, no, it's just not right. Something's not right. Step away. Yeah. Yeah. I've backed, I mean, it's, I've backed off a bunch. It's, it's just a, I think if for me, I'm very visual and, and,

I like kind of artistic in the sense of like what I'm seeing, if I'm putting, like I want to be able to kind of see the line or see the trace. And if I'm over a shot, same type of thing. And if I don't have like a clear vision or somewhat of an idea of what I'm doing, it's,

it's not good, but you know, I've, I've hit many a shots when I haven't backed off when I should have. But yeah, when I don't have that, that's generally when I'm, when I'm backing off to try to get some kind of idea. Yeah. Hank, you got anything else? Yeah. I'm a big, I'm a bad golfer and in a mental head case at that. And I'm a big fan of, of,

seeing like one Instagram reel with the tip and then just completely changing everything I do. And I saw one recently that was Patrick Cantlay talking about how he only uses one wedge around the greens where he used to have, you know, the different numbers and try the different shots and stuff. And he got better once he was like, I'm just going to use a 60. I think he said 61, which I didn't understand, but I'm just going to use a 61 and just use that for everything.

And I was like, I think I'm gonna start doing that, even though I never have before. And I was curious of that, because it made sense to me where it's like, you think less, you know what club you're going to hit. But obviously, you have a great short game. And you know, you probably need different shots. But is that something you would would recommend or thought about?

Yeah, it's funny because like Mike who caddies for me now used to caddy for Patrick for a while. So, I mean, I've known him not only through caddy for me, but before that. And, and Pat is also someone who's, he knows a lot of different things about the game, but he'll kind of subtly pick guys brains and when he wants to learn stuff. And I remember there was kind of like a, you know, six months or so or a year where he was really asking a lot of chipping questions and,

And then I happened to be talking about it with my caddy Rev a couple months ago about using different clubs. And he was like, yeah, he's like, I don't know if you remember, but, you know, it's some team event or some of that. And he's like, Pat was just grilling you about questions about using this. Like it was me, him and Jordan, I think we're playing. And he was asking Jordan and I so many questions. So again, something that we just, apparently we like to make all of our peers better instead of keep all of the information to ourself, it seems like, but yeah.

It's kind of whatever fits the player. I mean, a lot of guys predominantly just take a lob wedge and try to fly it close to the hole with as much spin as they can. But it changes a lot each week depending on the grass. But I like to use kind of whatever club is more of like a first instinct, I think, I think.

the harder I try to make it, the worse off it is versus if I just go with what I first see type thing. Yeah. I thought you had one of the best shots of the last month or two. I don't know which day this was, maybe Thursday or Friday. The one that you played out of the mud.

where the ball was sitting up towards the top because I think every golfer has been in that situation. They see their ball, they're like, I can play this. So you take a giant swing at it and immediately afterwards you can see the look on your face. You're just like, well, that was fucking stupid because you're like covered in mud at the time. Is that a shot that you practice? It's actually really funny you say that because I – it just – it was something where – I mean normally –

It's not. It wouldn't be worth it. It just was where I was going to have to drop. I was getting zero advantage. I was still behind a bunch of trees and I was likely going to have to chip out and

I was like, well, I know that if I catch this how I want, I can actually get it to the fairway and have a chance to maybe make a par. And in the worst case, it'll just dribble out, which is going to be a little bit better, but pretty similar to where if I just drop. So I feel like it's worth the risk. And as I'm kind of going through it, I said to Joe, who was filling in for Rev, I was like, hey, I was like, you just kind of hit like a bunker shot, right? And he's like, yeah. And I hit that.

And obviously you got shit all over me. And the whole goes on. I'm walking up there. I was like, by the way, I've never hit one out of the water before. So I did not know. I thought that was kind of weird why you asked me that. I'm like, well, I felt like if I told you beforehand that I hadn't hit one out of the water, you weren't going to let me hit it out of the water. So I waited till afterwards to tell you. I mean, the ball was taunting you, though. It was in the perfect position for you to at least give it a shot.

I know. And I think I just was so worried about trying to lift it up in the air and kind of almost like topping it or hitting it into the walk, like down into it that I was like, I just have to stay down and I have to hit down on this thing. Like I'm taking a big divot. Yeah. And I just went, I overdid it so much that I went completely under it. Yeah. And,

It was just, yeah, water and dirt everywhere. It was very relatable. So your current caddy, Joe, who is Max's caddy, he's doing caddying while your real caddy is injured. Is he coming back soon?

Yeah, yeah. I actually saw him today. He's doing a lot better. He probably could have caddied last week, but it wouldn't have been smart. But I have a tournament, yeah, in two weeks, and Rev will be back. He just has some disc issues in his back. So Joe was fortunate. I was fortunate he was able to come fill in and

And we had a nice little week last week. Yeah, so we're very loyal to Max. He said it was good with him and Joe, so we weren't mad at you or Joe. But there was a moment where our gun's out. We're like...

Do we need to? Do we need to? Hey, I reached out to Max first. I wanted to do the right thing, you know? Respect. Yeah, bro code. I like that. Although I don't know what I would have done if he said it's not okay. You at least have to ask. I think in full transparency, I think me and Big Cat said we wish the best for you, but we didn't want you to win the Masters the first week after Joe left. That wouldn't seem mean for Max. But now there's some time there. You waited. Yeah. Yeah.

That's fair. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with how it all panned out. Yeah. Do you think that your regular caddie, like deep, deep, deep, deep, deep down inside saw you win and he was like, fuck. Oh, for sure. I mean, yeah, I tried to tell him as many times as I possibly could. But yeah, well, he's I mean, I assume he is rooting for me in Washington. There's there's got to be a small part of them that's.

that's like, oh shit. Yeah. Now what's going to happen? And I thought about kind of stringing them along and just messing with them. But I'm like, this poor guy's hurt. I can't do that to him. That's not, that's not fair. Right. Yeah. And almost the more you, you say to him, it's good that you guys acknowledge it, that you joked around about it. But if you're like, no, listen, this guy means nothing to me. He's just a fling. He's still at home. Like he's carrying the bags a little bit higher than I do. Did you tip him out? Did you tip out rev?

What's that? Tip him for when? Yeah. Did you tip him for even though he wasn't on the bag? I have not. No, I just I paid Joe. Yeah. But maybe maybe you got to tip out Rev being like, hey, I wouldn't have been in this spot just so that he doesn't get it. I mean, you got caddies you got to deal with here. This is a very tricky situation for you.

Yeah, that is true. Just a little something. Yeah, just a little wet the beak. A couple hundred grand. Come on. You're good for that. You know, this wasn't an issue probably until you guys brought it up. I appreciate it. I was like, you dick. Here's what we could do. We can delete this part and you can tip us out. Okay? So we can extort you. We can extort you right now. We can make sure this goes bye-bye, never goes on the podcast. You tip us out and we're good to go.

I mean, I don't see what could go wrong in that situation. Then we just every two months, we're like, hey, JT, we still got that footage. We're going to need to pay some more. We just have you on the hook. Hey, we didn't get that last one. Maybe you're right on that. That would be incredible if your career takes a weird turn. Everyone's like, what happened to JT? It's like, well, he went on part of my take and they tried to extort him.

for tipping it's been weighing on his mind is there a speed moment for you yeah yeah when you were a caddy for jordan would he tip you out for what do you mean did you did you caddy for michael jordan oh yeah yeah sorry i was i was thinking speed yeah i don't think i caddy for him yeah oh yeah he he did when i uh yeah back in the day for sure yeah good tipper he helped pay for my first car so that would that was huge that's pretty good that's that's the nick saban way

That's exactly right. I didn't even have to get gifted one when I went to college. I already had it. All right. I got one last question for you, JT. Rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com. Promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Great golf stuff. Rowback dot com. Promo code TAKE. You have nine professional course records.

at different courses. Which one is your favorite? That's pretty sick, by the way, just saying it out loud. Nine different courses. You have the course record. Do you have a specific one that is your favorite? And can you name all nine? I mean, after seeing it, or after, I really didn't know until it kind of started going out last week. What is last week? TBC Sawgrass, TBC Stadium Course in Palm Springs, and

uh koala purr uh capalua wingfoot aaron hills medina and uh wildlife yep you got it so which one's your favorite uh i mean the the 63 in the u.s open was pretty cool okay wrong answer that's a good the next one the 59 is really fucking cool

Yeah, it is. Well, fortunately for me, I had nine pretty cool ones, so I could choose some different ones. That's a good list. How many holes in one do you have? 25. That's crazy. Seriously? Yeah. Is that normal for a professional golfer to have 25? Probably not. I'm not sure. I feel like you either hear it's like 30 or somewhere it's like, I have two. Yeah, right. Yeah, I'd say that's a good way to describe it. Do you even get excited when you hit a hole in one? Like 25. Yeah.

25? That would be an old hat for me. I'd be like, I guess I got another hole-in-one again. I got to buy everybody drinks. Yeah. Let me have one of those. 25, that's an insane number. How many while playing, like professionally? Like four or five? Okay, so a lot of those are when you're playing privately. Beforehand, yeah. Well, not in professional tournaments. Do you have a favorite hole-in-one?

Sunday of the Masters, the year Tiger won. I made one. That's pretty cool. That's actually what I think most people remember about that Sunday. Yeah, definitely. It's always like, wow, Tiger, he won the Masters. Does that just mean the hole-in-one, right? Yeah, when people are like, yeah, Tiger, he won the Masters. Well, he won it a bunch of times. Are you talking about the time he won it when JT got that hole-in-one? That's how we got a...

There we go. That's going to cost you more money for us to get that narrative going. We'll give you our wire information after this. JT, though, thank you so much, man. We appreciate having you on. Best of luck the rest of the year. Hopefully see you in the Ryder Cup. We've got to win the Ryder Cup. It's a must win. It's a must win. Absolutely. Okay. All right. I feel good. Absolutely. Thank you, guys, and please don't try to extort me for too much. Okay. See you, man.

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I was driving into work Sunday. Oh, no, you missed his birthday. And I saw, you know, I saw like, I think I saw Billy Strings set list from the night before. I was like, oh, I'll go listen to it. There's an app where you can listen to the shows from the night before. I open it up. I see the date of the show, April 19th.

And it hit me that I didn't... I realized I forgot his birthday. When's his birthday? April 19th. Oh. So I saw it April 20th. Like, I was going to pull it off the show, and it was like, Billy Strings, April 19th. And I was like, yesterday was April 19th. Oh, my God. And you didn't even root for Duke this year either? Bad son. So you sent him a text. I called. You called. And what was his reaction? He was... He just laughed. Honestly, it's happened before, too, which is bad, but...

It was just, it was tough. He was giving me, you know, give me shit for it. Now, rightfully so. But it was, I felt really bad. I felt really bad. Not to make excuses, Hank, not to make excuses. But I think that in this situation, you should maybe not think about like, hey, what did I do wrong? And maybe blame the other people in your life because you have siblings. Yep. How do they not give you a heads up? You need the heads, like,

I've been close to missing it before, but I've always gotten the heads up. I know. I know. That's where I kind of did that double check. I was like, did I miss? You know, because we have a family group text and stuff. I was like, did other people say anything in that? Oh, that's actually even dirtier. So they were doing the side. I don't even I honestly haven't even reached out to find out because my family group text would just be like everyone else. And then I'll just I'll be like the sixth birthday. Happy birthday. Still no excuse. But yeah.

There wasn't any assistance there. Oh, no. So what are you going to do to make it up to him? He loves Roback. I got a fantastic... Well, no spoilers, but it might have a fantastic Roback care package. But it doesn't... You can't really...

It's tough to make up. I just got to be better. Did you buy the Roback? You just looked at it? You have it in the checkout? You're just getting free Roback sent to them? Well, I hit Roback great partners. Dads do love Roback. They do? My dad loves Roback. I'm wearing a red one. Loves Roback. And I hit them up. I was like, is there a code I should use other than promo code take? And they were like, we'll help you out. Let us know what you want. That was a good move on your part.

Hey, I'm at the checkout. I'm wondering if I should use the promo code or if there is a special promo code. I mean, we love Roback. They're great partners. And my dad, it's like maybe my niece and nephew and then Roback. Yeah. Well, that's the good news is right now he's fully into grandfather life probably, right? He loves being a grandfather. The son that he has without a child, he's like, yeah, of course. Of course he didn't wish me happy birthday. Yeah. It's tough. Do you think you're in his will?

Yeah, I think so. I'm just asking because that's definitely something. As I get older in life, I will definitely be one of those people who will be like a little tally sheet of which kids cut it out. I don't know if it's an even split, and that could be going down by the day. Yeah. You're in his won't now. Brutal. Really bad. Brutal. That's one of those things where it's just you every day. When you know you can't make it up. Yeah, you have to wait 365 days. And it's just like,

Set yourself a calendar right now. Yeah, I did. Because it will be on a Sunday. Man. I think you have to take on the responsibility next year, too, of letting all your siblings know, hey, just a reminder, tomorrow's dad's birthday. Yeah. I got an idea to make it up to him. What? Maybe Masters next year. Right around his birthday. Maybe Taco Bell next year. Yeah.

Yeah. You're in the doghouse. Yeah. Yeah, that is the worst missing a birthday because you're just like, well, I got nothing here. Yeah. The only explanation is like, sorry, wasn't really thinking about you. I missed one. It's really just I just don't look like the calendar when it's a Saturday. Like, I just I wasn't like, what day is it today? What's the but I should have been aware of it earlier in the week is probably where I went wrong. But.

I just looked. And I wouldn't have even seen it Sunday. I don't know. Because it's not even like... Because I missed a birthday last week, but it was a cousin. That's not mandatory. I feel like cousins are like, you either get it or you don't. If you see it on Facebook. Yeah, right. It's like, all right, we're good. But it's immediate family. You got to get the birthday. You got to get it right. I did do that one year, I think, on my mom's birthday. I called and my mom picked up and I was like, hey, is dad there?

And I was like, and then he picked it. And then he got on the floor. He's like, it's your mom's birthday. I was like, yeah, no, I was joking. Can you put mom back on? So it happens. Yeah. Sorry. It's all right. Brutal.

My Fire Fest of the Week is I played in my first softball game last night. Nice. Oh, good. And we lost, unfortunately. Oh, shit. Decent showing. Decent showing from the guys. We got one bad inning, and that'll take it out of you. What position? I played right field, and it kind of sucked because there's no lights out at night. No, it's very hard to see on that field. You don't really see anything. Didn't make an error, though, so I'm pumped about that. But then the last inning of the game, I was batting leadoff in that inning, and

Get a little base knock to first base. No big deal. And then I try to leg it out from first base to third on a single from the next guy up. You got thrown out at third? No, I'm too fast for that. But as I'm running to third base...

I pull a hamstring. Oh, like my second to last step. Muddy field. It was a bad, it was a bad field. And like, you know, the feeling, have you ever pulled a hamstring before? Yes. You immediately, you know exactly what it is. Yeah. And so, but since I was only like two steps away from third base at the time, I get to third. I'm like, well, I just pulled my hamstring. Uh,

but I guess I have to stay on base and try to run home. The very next ball that was hit was like a short, short fly ball to like the deep shortstop. Yeah, so you couldn't run. And I tried to tag, and I took one step, and I was just like, nope, it's not happening. So stark reminder, I'm 40. Yeah. So are you out for a while? I don't know. We'll see. I iced it down last night.

That's brutal. But yeah, it's brutal. First, first game back. That field was a dangerous field last night. It was injury concerns. Maybe, maybe you guys were right. Not having me on the team. It's like, this guy is a, he could, if he put it all together and stayed healthy, he'd be a force. Best that never was. Best that never was. But we'll see a lot of you going, getting treatment on myself. But, uh, the, the squad was awesome last night. You're hockey tough. You're, you'll be good. I'll be fine. Lower body injury. I'm so short. My entire body is lower body injury, but I, my squad is fun. Like the guys, uh,

Kadek had an all-time performance last night. He told me about this, yeah. So he was a little bit late getting to the game because he was at the Cubs game last night. And for listeners, this is Kadek. Mike Kadek, he played center at Indiana. Yeah, center for Indiana. He's a big boy. Big boy, and he took a pick maybe an hour before their game because we played two hours before you, so we left before you got there. But I got back in my car.

An hour before the game, Kadek posted a picture from Wrigley with two beers in his hands and a hot dog. I was like, that's interesting. That's a solid. Listen, if you're his age and you just graduate from college, that's what you live for is those nights when you go to a baseball game, get a little drunk, then go to a softball game. So he tries to make it all the way over from Wrigley before the game. Halfway there, he realizes I have to shit, and he runs into a hotel on the way to take a shit, realizes that he shit his pants a little bit.

Okay. So he had shit pants, and he also tore, like Ezekiel Elliott style, tore the bottom off his shirt, let the belly hang out a little bit, and just decks the first runner of the game who's trying to score. Just like runs into him and knocks him the fuck out. So that was fun, getting to play with those guys. That's a football player playing soccer? That sounds exactly like an offensive lineman.

drunk playing softball. Yeah. And then at the end of the night, we played the night game, which started at 9.30. And so when I was leaving my house at like 8.45...

I was thinking about going to sleep. Oh, yeah, dude. I used to play the league where the late game was 1030, and it was the worst feeling ever at 10 p.m. being like, time to go play softball. Exactly. Yeah. I would much rather be getting ready for bed than leaving my house to go to a softball game. But it was fun. And then I leave afterwards, and all the other guys are like, yeah, we're going out to a bar if you want to come along. I'm like, I can't go out to a bar and drink alcohol. It's a Wednesday night.

And you have a hamstring injury. I have a hamstring injury. I got to get home and ice it down. So, yeah, I'm on like the three-day DL, I think. That's not bad. Yeah. We'll see how I stand after this weekend. Yeah. Yeah, that feels good. You can rest it up this weekend. Maybe.

I'm going to be doing a lot of walking on Friday. I'm going to Montreal. You're going to end up with a purple leg. I'm going to be with Oldie. Oldie's going to be taking me around Montreal. I'm sure he'll want to just chill out and sit still in one place. Yeah. By the way, I don't know if we mentioned, I think I mentioned on the act, but Oldie, we've hired Oldie at Barstool Sports. He's not going to be moving here from Canada, but he'll be here. I don't know. We'll have him for some hockey streams.

I think we talked about that like a week ago. Oh, I did say it on the show? I don't think I said it on the show. During the Whitney interview. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was right before. We officially did hire him this week, though. We had not hired him yet, but we have officially hired him. That was before we had officially. I'm so excited to go through Montreal with Oldie. Montreal, I've heard, is a very fun city. And then having Oldie show me around. I don't know if he speaks French. I think we're going to try.

But he put out a video this morning where he's like, get into a cold tub. He's got the side pouch. Oh, yeah. I saw it. He is old. He's like doing a drug. Hanging out with oldies like being on drugs. Yeah. I'm pumped. Yeah. All right. My fire fest. I got a couple. One was we do our Pittsburgh radio hit every other week. PFT and I alternate. Great guys.

Bill and Randy, this morning I was very tired and I joined on the radio and they played sound from two weeks ago when I was on and I didn't realize that it was from two weeks ago and I was just responding to questions.

And then I heard my own voice. And so I was just talking to myself in the car. And I was like, this is really embarrassing. So you heard the interview where it was the two of them and then you. Yeah. But before I could answer, I started answering again. Yeah. A conversation I had already had. Right. Were you getting into an argument with yourself? I was just... Did you have the same take? It was pretty similar. That's good. They're like, do you want a ginty? And then a week ago, you were like, no. And now you're like, yeah. No, it was...

It was something about the pirates like screwing up. They were selling like the bricks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, oh, that's a Cubs move. And then I so I said that two weeks ago. And then as I was driving on the call, I started saying, oh, that's a Cubs move. And then it was like an echo. And it was my voice saying, oh, that's a Cubs move. Jesus Christ, dude.

There are times when I get into the car and I'm leaving work. I think it's on Wednesday. That's when you do your ESPN hit in Chicago. Yeah, on Wednesdays sometimes I'll be wrapping up macrodosing, and then I'll get into the car at like 3 or 3, whenever you do the hit, and I'll hop in, and then the first thing I hear is Big Cat being interviewed on the radio, and I feel like I'm still at work. Yeah, yeah. It's a weird feeling. And then my other Fyre Fest is, I don't know if this is a Fyre Fest you guys can tell me,

I think we do a really good job with our interviews here. We make guests feel comfortable. Sometimes maybe we feel too comfortable with the guests. I didn't even think about it until Wednesday's show went live. And then I got a bunch of tweets and they're like, hey, dude, you called an NFL head coach a pussy. And I was like, oh, yeah, I guess I did.

That was weird. I don't think I've ever done that. Did you call him a pussy? I did. I said stop being a pussy when we were talking about the tush push. I'm talking about Matt LaFleur, who is a very good guy, and we appreciate him coming on. But that was like one of those ones where I probably shouldn't have done that. Well, I think the Packers thing helps out a little bit. Yeah, but still.

It's like, yeah. I saw the clip. I didn't think that you called him a pussy. Were we talking about the Packers in general being a pussy? No, we were saying the Tush Push. Right, but I think we were saying the Packers are pussies. No, he was like, I don't want to.

give my real opinion i said something like oh don't be a pussy um either way probably got to clean that up i did notice that when the word pussy eggs in your mouth he like blinked yeah he's like i don't think he was no i don't think i and i i texted him and we've met him a couple times he's a great guy i don't know if we're at pussy level yet yeah if you're a head coach but think about if you're a head coach in the nfl it's probably been years since someone's called you a pussy true

True. Yeah, actually, if you think about it, what if this is the undermining of the entire Packers organization? Right. Like, I called him a pussy and was like, you can talk like that? Yeah. And then it's just chaos. Or what if it just adds more fuel to the rivalry? Yeah. Like, Ben Johnson basically called him a pussy. Yeah. And then you called him a pussy. Either way, I'm going to say hand up on that one. I probably should just be a little more aware of that. You know.

Would you say that to Dan Campbell? Absolutely not. Because Dan Campbell is... Not a pussy. There you go. Yeah, that's true. You just called Matt LaFleur a pussy again? Again, yeah, yeah. No, I don't think he's a pussy. He might have had pussy behavior when he didn't answer the tush-push question. Well, reading between the lines on his answer, I feel like maybe...

The people in the front office that are pushing it are doing it without consulting Matt LaFleur about it. And he's probably like, I wish the Packers weren't the face of asking for this play to be banned. Okay, so that's a good conclusion for Pussygate. So you know what? Strip Matt LaFleur of the pussy title. Erroneous. Okay. Disavow of myself. Max, you get a Fyre Fest? I had a pretty clean week. I was pretty good. Yeah? Yeah.

No, I had a bad week. Getting the stomach bug is by far like the worst thing that can possibly happen to a human, I think. Cancer?

I feel like stomach bugs gotta be up there. Just kidding, just kidding, just kidding. No, you feel like you're dying, though. It's terrible. My ribs hurt from puking so hard. Yeah. So, like, every time I laugh or cough right now, I'm still getting that feeling in my side. And you laugh and cough a lot, even when you're healthy. I laugh a lot. Yeah. I don't necessarily cough a lot, but I do laugh a lot. Yeah.

So yeah, it was a tough week. I pooped my pants at one point. Oh. Doesn't count if it's sick. Yeah, doesn't count. Does not count. Yeah, no, it was bad. I was in bed too, so that was tough. Did you ever have the moment where you were pooping and puking at the same time? No, I didn't have that. That's the worst. Yeah, go number three. Yeah, no, I didn't. But I did have the plastic bags next to the toilet in case that situation happened. You think that's a hungover thing, Hank? Yeah.

It can be. Yeah. I've never done that while hungover. That's a great, that's an unbelievable hangover. I think I've done it once or twice and it's the worst hangover ever. That's an insane hangover. I think it's crazy because you know when you're about to puke and you simply don't start pooping then. No, this is a once. No, it's the other way though. I think it's happened twice and it's like, it's obviously if you're pooping. You're pooping and then I have to puke. Yeah. That's happened hungover before. Yeah.

Where you're like, holy shit, I think I have to puke. What's your move? You've got to flush really quick and then just, yeah, it's terrible. It's been through a terrible conversation. And I just lean over the tub. Yeah.

No, that happened to me one time, and I still remember it. When I lived in Massachusetts, it was... One time when I was a kid, I was peeing, and I had a stomach bug, and I sneezed or something, and as I was peeing, shit came out of my ass. This is disgusting.

I mean, we opened this can of worms. Yeah, it is what it is. Yeah, come on. I opened this can of worms. How much weight did you lose? I don't know. I don't necessarily believe in scales. Okay, yeah. I don't have any before. File that under something we already knew. Yeah.

I feel skinnier. Yeah, that is the benefit of getting a stomach bug is you feel so skinny, but then what happens is you get your appetite back after you do the test meal, and then you're like, all right, I'm good, and then you do the real meal, and you just get so fatty. I'm still not at the real meal yet. I'm still getting. I saw you hitting some soup today. Yeah. That's not. Yeah. I had a noodle soup.

Not even from a Jewish deli here. I'm not going to say what kind of deli it was. It was a Jewish deli. It was Manny's. Yeah. Manny's is great. Is there a meal that you had right before you got sick that now you associate with being sick? Because that happened to me one time when I was younger, and I ate honey mustard pretzels.

right before I got sick, and then I didn't fucking touch a honey mustard pretzel for probably 20 years. Yeah, that ruined ME squared for me, the really good pizza place in Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah. It just killed me for it. I loved that place, and I got sick right after. Not because of them, but...

It just ended it. Yeah, I had stuffed peppers right before it. I don't think I'm having stuffed peppers anytime soon. It's like everyone's got that one liquor. Like, mine's gin. I drank too much gin when I was, like, 16 years old, puked everywhere, and I don't drink gin. Mine was Rumpelmints, but then you get back on the horse. I was that way with Chipotle. I got sick after eating Chipotle one time, and it took me, like, years to start eating again. Now it's fine. Blake's got diarrhea, too. Oh, no. Bonus Firefest. Have you considered wearing a cone?

No, I should wear a cone. You should. Yep. I should just wear it. You should wear a cone. You should wear a cone. Not an ice cream cone, but a regular cone. You should wear a cone. Yeah. Well, I want some ice cream right now. Yeah, that sounds good. Not me. It's getting warm out. It's time for ice cream cones. Gonna get back on my shit. We're gonna get a soft serve machine in this office. And a Gravitron. And a Gravitron. Okay. Good show, boys. Numbers. Three. Three.

I think I got that one. Yeah. 17. 77. One. 95. 99, Pug. Meebs, you think you're going to get it today? That would be so cool. I don't think so, dude. If I get it, whoever the Jets draft is going to be helping. What was your pick, Wiper? 54. 89. 89. Love you, guys. Pro Pug.

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