Rick Pitino In Studio, Super Bowl Champ Cooper DeJean, USA/Canada's Incredible Four Nations Final + Fyre Fest of The Week
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On today's part of my take, we have a twofer for the people. We have coach Rick Pitino in studio. He stopped by on Wednesday before his game against DePaul, talking St. John's, a little horse racing. We also have Super Bowl champ Cooper DeJean.

We're also going to talk some USA, Canada, Four Nations. Max is on vacation after vacation week. So we have guest producer Oldie in the studio. If you tuned into our stream. You saw a lot of Oldie. You saw a lot of Oldie. So we'll get his thoughts as well. He's from Canada. We flew him in today to watch with us. And then we're going to finish up with Firefest of the Week.

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and congratulations to Canada for winning the All-Star game. Yeah, you won the All-Star game. I don't know, like, I saw a lot of people talking about it tonight, but, I mean, the NHL All-Star game, I think we can just talk about MLB is doing robot umps. You want to start with that? Sure. I mean, I can't remember the last time an All-Star winner was, like,

Anyone cared? No. You know what? Also, I don't know if we said this, but congratulations to Team Shaq. Yeah, we didn't get them there properly. Team Shaq, we should talk about Team Shaq. I know it's been a week, but we finally watched the tape. Team Shaq really put it on in the NBA All-Star Game. They were incredible. I can't wait to see the rematch of Team Shaq and Team Chuck. Oh, come on. And did the NFC win the Pro Bowl?

I don't know because we boycotted that. Okay, because we're just doing all-star game talk because that's where we're at in sports. Who cares about any of these games? Major League Baseball, who can forget what happened last season? Yeah.

Who could forget? I would never forget. No. Would you? I mean, I just remember when the MLB All-Star game ended as a tie and everyone was like, good, thankfully this game's over. We can move on. It's an exhibition. We don't care. Who cares? Right, Hank? Exactly. It's preseason football. Should we talk about that? Like, who cares? Uh, no, but congratulations to Canada. Uh,

It's really... He's doing the cry face in the behind the glass in Max's seat. Congrats to Canada. My takeaway from this game... Cubs won today. Oh, yeah. There we go. Spring training. Yeah. Baseball's back. My takeaway from this game is that Austin Matthews has become too Canadian, and that's why we lost the game. Yeah. Because he's a Maple Leaf, and Maple Leafs never won anything, and we

We saw that. We saw why the Maple Leafs never win anything with Austin Matthews trying to finish in overtime. Just getting robbed glove side by Binghamton, who was the best player. He was the reason why they won. The overtime, first of all, it was an incredible hockey game. Just so well played. High intensity for an all-star game. And Binghamton was just insane in the overtime because...

The U.S. should have won the All-Star Game multiple times. Yes. And if they had won the All-Star Game, we would have started the show the exact same way, saying, congrats to the U.S. for winning an All-Star Game. An exhibition game, yeah. Right. Who cares? Yeah, I mean...

Honestly, I'm looking forward to the Olympics. Yeah. The Olympics. That's what it really is. Because you know what? Right. International hockey, game's a little bit different. Rosters are going to be a little bit different. Yep. More spaced out. Yep. That's true international hockey. Taking pictures with memes like he's in front of the Statue of Liberty right now. The...

You're absolutely right. This is just, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, that was game two of a three-game series. Well, if they really wanted, if they cared about this game, you can just ask the players on the ice. If they really cared about who won this game, they would have fought in the first period. Agreed. And in that type of game, I think the U.S. would win. Exactly. So we do have Oldie here. He has been with us all day. When I say all day, I mean literally all day. He showed up at the office at 10 a.m. Puck drop wasn't until 7.30 a.m.

He is Canadian, former trash man, blue collar guy. Salt man now. Salt man. He's keeping the roads clean. Yes. Doing a little bony on the side. Doing a little Zamboni working for the town. Oldie...

How did you see that game? Give us your thoughts. Unload your thoughts on that game. Well, I know I said like before, I knew I wasn't nervous about it. I knew the boys were going to bump and grind. I called 4-2. Like I called 4-2 earlier, manifested it. I was sitting on the couch. I was like,

What's the final score? 3-2. Okay, so you were wrong. So I was wrong, but I mean, if we're counting numbers here, that's only now got to be off by one. Right. But you were wrong. Well, who was the other pickle stick in the corner sitting behind me? TJ? No, Titty Boy, Mark Titus. Yeah, Titty Boy. He's calling 9-3 like we're out here playing a football game or something. Like four field goals kicked or something. I don't know. Paul Bissonnette, I think he predicted 6-2, right? 6-2, yeah. So he was wrong, too.

So that's actually the biggest takeaway is that, Oldie, you were wrong about this game. So I lied. I straight up lied. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. Like, I'm sitting here telling you guys a whole story about 4-2 and it ends up being 3-2. Yeah. That's not what happened. Yeah. What did you think about the way that it ended? McJesus...

He won an All-Star game. Turns out he's not the biggest loser for now. Talk to me when he does it in the Stanley Cup Finals. See, the All-Star game wasn't talked about on the podcast. It was Four Nations. We talked about the Four Nations, and now all of a sudden it's an All-Star game? I'm not familiar with what you're saying. Wait, was Russia playing? The Four Nations? Yeah, you guys brought up the Four Nations, Four Nations. Like, we're the guys. You know what I mean? And then all of a sudden now it's an All-Star game? Yeah, well, what happened? What was it? It was an All-Star game. Yeah, I mean, Ovi wasn't playing. How serious is this tournament if you're putting the best players out there?

Right, but maybe you guys weren't drinking enough body armor. I don't have to tell you. That's true. You had a lot of body armor. You guys weren't getting it. The energy was not there from you guys. Like, I had pee. I had PFT. No, no, you go with pee. I had Polly pee out there, sipping around and telling me, trying to shake my hand. And then he got old Brady there.

Shit taker. Yeah. Yeah. To me, I don't know. I don't know, Brandon. I don't know what Brandon. So I know Brady. If you didn't watch the stream, I give it my highest possible recommendation to go back and watch at least the highlights from the stream we've ever done because oldies

Like, we... Oldie put on a performance for the ages. Oh, he has a pussy. And he's got something... It's a side, though, because I do have the other. He has a pussy. He has something that grows in the front of his legs that when he pulls his jeans up looks either like two giant nuts on either side or like the biggest camel toe you've ever...

It's a beaver toe. You got two beaver tails sticking out. They're not jeans, though, Pete. I got to stop you there. They're jangings. Okay. They're jangings. Now, Oldie, I got a question for you from the Canadian perspective. Like, it's your sport. You invented it. Like, do you even get credit for winning your sport? I mean, it's not even in an all-star game. Like, you should have won. Basically, it's like a wash, right? It's like whatever. This is what we do anyways. Right. Exactly. We just keep kicking ass sea bass. Like, you know what I'm saying? Right. So it doesn't even matter. Cammy only got nothing on that.

Yeah. You guys barely won in your own sport in an All-Star game. I know. Then the worst part is, we're going to host the Four Nations too. Bring us over to Boston. And then all of a sudden, the boys get slapped around in the home city. That's not nice. But I mean, we did that to you guys. We apologize, but we did it. It had to happen. You did apologize. Right after you apologized. Bidding in Boston is a problem. Yeah, yeah. So that's where he won the Stanley Cup, right? Yeah. Game seven. Yeah. Yeah.

Real tough. Real tough. I can't believe we kept going glove side on him. He loves glove side. He was a beast in overtime. He was. That was incredible, but great back and forth. But those two glove saves got the boys juicy on the bench, and I think McJesus said, like, enough's enough. Yeah. Like, Biz Nassi can't be telling him, like, he's going to be nothing there. And the commentary did not crumble. We are not the 51st state. Oh.

Are we the 11th province? I saw some people saying that. Oh, it could be. I reject. I rebel against that. Yeah. I would put the lines underneath the Canada flag a bit, too.

The what? The lines. Oh, the lines. The lines. I didn't mean the stripes. No, the stripes. Yeah, you're right. And maybe just once. You can have Michigan. How about that? Oh, that's the shittiest state you guys own. Michigan sucks. Really? Michigan sucks. Pure Michigan. I like Michigan. Michigan's all right. Okay. If you have no other 49 states to go to. Yeah. I mean. What's your favorite state?

Ohio, bro. Buckeye Nations. Bless you. Buckeye Nations. That makes sense. Michigan. Yeah, yeah. We don't talk about it. We say Michigan. Do you say that team down south?

Yeah, so you're a Buckeyes fan because your best friend is Rick Nash growing up. Yeah. Rick Nash, by the way, we were FaceTiming with him in between third period and OT. He confirmed that he first saw Oldie's pussy when he was six years old. Wow. Yeah. You show me yours, I'll show you mine. That was a pussy at that point, a boy pussy. That's the change room talk. That's kind of, you know what I mean? That's what the boys do. That's why I played sports. My favorite was before and after the game.

So Yandel showed me. I'm a change room guy all day. Our friend Dan showed this video of you. I think it was in the playoffs, right? Where the Rangers, they flew you out before each game won to get the boys pumped up in the locker room. You were the entertainment in the locker room minutes before they went on the ice, right? Yeah, yeah. I was the fire-up guy. I was the fire-up guy. It's got to be...

That's 10 years ago. That's 10 years ago, 2015. They won the President's Cup, first overall in the league, so they had home ice advantage. Round one, game one, flew me out. Round two, game one, flew me out. Round three, game one, flew me out. Okay, we're sensing a trend here. Here's the kicker. My wife was eight and a half months pregnant, and she said, you can't go. My parents said, you can't go. Everyone's like, you can't go.

Text them back. Got on the next flight. Had to go. Sorry, boys. For the boys. For hockey. When you texted your wife back, did you say, sorry, boys, I got to go? Oh, I was gone. I just told her. This is the plan. The guy texted me from the Rangers. Said, hey, do you mind coming up to fire up the boys in the changing room before the game? I said, absolutely. Yeah. So that was it. That was it. My parents said no. My old lady said no. Absolute best wife in the world. Best woman. Absolute gem.

Well, he fired us off. Well, I mean, yeah, she married a guy with a pussy. Like, dude, you can't beat that, bro. Two for one. That's like a double token, right? You get the cake and eat it. Kind of both aspects. Yeah, so they flew me in. They flew me in. Yeah, it was a wild ride. I don't know if you saw Kanye West's tweets the other day, but I think one would relate very closely to you. Oh, what would it say? Like, if you were born a hermaphrodite, tell me you wouldn't stick your dick in your own pussy. That's a good point.

Possibility, yeah. You know what I mean? If you think about it, you're sitting around, well, what could happen, right? What could happen? But if you're with the boys and then all of a sudden you're solo dolo, like, now what's up? Right? That's a good point. All right, so you mentioned biz, PFT. Biz got assaulted today, as our friend Ryan Whitney said, worse than what the Irish Travelers did to him because Fox News ran a clip, they

They wrote a story on a clip from our podcast on Wednesday saying, X Team Canada star says country will have national emergency if Team USA or Team loses to U.S. in four nations final, a.k.a. the All-Star Game.

And then he got community noted and it said Bissonette may have played for Team Canada as a teenager in under 18 world championships. He was far from a star then and could be considered the pinnacle of his career. Paul Biznasty never played for Canada again. His fame has come post career as a media personality.

Brutal. Yeah, but fair. Fair but brutal. Because that's community notes on X, the everything app. Yeah. It's all happening on X. Yeah. But yeah, it was a great All-Star game. It was one of my favorite All-Star games. I'll say that much. Yeah, I'd say it's probably this year, I'd say top two. Top two. Top two, not two. I'd say, yeah, Shaq, Chuck. Team Shaq. Shaq, Chuck. One for the ages. Yeah. All right, so Oldie, we're going to talk some other sports. You can chime in whenever you want. Any thoughts on Wemby being out for the year?

Oh man, that's tough, dude. That's tough, man. That's tough. Like coming in as a rookie, big beast like that, and then all of a sudden he gets, what did he get, a blood clot or something? Yeah, blood clot in his shoulder. Deep vein thrombosis in his shoulder, so they're going to put him on blood thinners. Sucks so bad. And I think he was favorite to win rookie of the year, correct? He was a rookie last year.

He was at one point. Defense and player of the year. Yeah, yeah. Defense and player of the year. Sorry, player. There must be some big-ass clots, too. Because he's got very large arms. And I immediately think of Chris Bosh. Yeah. Because he had an incredible career, but he had to retire at the end because of blood clots. I thought those might have been in his lungs. Yeah. But this is still serious. It's still serious, still scary, so hope Wemby's okay. Yeah. It just sucks because I wanted to see Wemby, you know, he's having a great year. Hank.

You don't root for injuries, but you also do have a Jaron Jackson Defensive Player of the Year ticket. I do, but I don't root for injuries. You don't root for injuries. It went from plus 2,200 to minus 180. You know, the Spurs...

probably weren't going to make the playoffs, but still they had a chance to maybe sneak into the play-in game. It still just sucks. I think they might have gotten in the play-in game, and I was just very much looking forward to watching Chris Paul lose in the playoffs and blame it all on him. And Russillo. Yeah, and Russillo. But unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to do that this year. Yeah, it sucks. It sucks. All right, what other sports is National Sports Podcast...

We probably shouldn't have even talked about all-star games. MLB does have robot umps now. I saw that. So they brought that in for the spring training games. Yep. And so there were a couple challenges. It has to be, I think, the batter or the catcher. I don't know if the pitcher. Maybe the pitcher is allowed to challenge a call. Yep.

So it's not coming from the dugout, which I like. I like the fact that it's on the field and those guys have to make the call and see like, okay, does it really matter if I get the strike called against me? Am I that important to the team to use a challenge? Then you have to like tip your cap at the umpire. So you have to like say, fuck you, that was a bad call in a very classy way. And then it takes like 10 seconds and they have the Hawkeye thing.

I kind of like it. Yeah. I do worry, as always, that when you take away umps, you take away like 50% of the conversations guys can have with each other, and that goes for refs and everything in sports. If you can't complain about the calls, what are we going to talk about? It'd basically be like putting a ban on no discussion about the weather. What small talk can you do if everything is robots and it's always perfect? But...

It's kind of cool. Yeah, it is. I think it's going to be fine, especially because I think they're limiting the amount of challenges. Yeah. So it's okay. It's like you get a bonus play, like in football when they bring the chains out onto the field. You get that 10-second pause, and then you get to watch it again, and then you get to react a second time to it. Maybe what they should have done is they should have made the robot arms, but the robot should have just been Joe West.

Yeah, that would have been cool. Wow. If Joe, you like that one? Yeah, that's a great one. I just clicked onto that. I'm in now. Do you know who Joe West is? Absolutely not. No, you know, he's the worst hump in the league. Terrible. Do you root for the Blue Jays?

Yeah, that's the only squadron we got. We got the Blue Jays. Yeah, I watch Blue Jays baseball, but only if it's postseason. I'm not a ball guy. I'm not a ball guy. Slow game. Slow game. You're just a puck guy. Very slow. Like, yeah, it's good. It's great, but I mean...

No offense. I would say if they had robot umps, that it's actually a robot behind home plate. Like the Boston Dynamics dog behind home plate. Yeah, that would be nice. That would be sick, actually. You said, I don't like it. It's a slow game. It's a bad game, but it's an okay game. It's all right. Bottom of the four major sports for sure. Rank them. Hockey, football.

Then I throw the NBA. Okay. And then we got to drop the MLB. Number four. Can you explain something to us as a Canadian? An MLS. Well said. Well said. What happened? I didn't do anything there. As a Canadian, what is a rouge? Rouge? In football. A rouge? Yeah, Canadian football. You guys have a rouge, right?

It's a way that you can score? Something to do with a punt? Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a CFL guy. Who's your NFL team? Oh, Tampa Bay Bucs in here. Oh, yeah, that's right. You said that. It's out of nowhere. Dude, you can't stop that guy. My boy's a beast. Evans? Who are you talking about? Mike Evans, dude? This guy's an animal. This guy's an animal. We should have played a guessing game there. I thought you were talking about Gruden. I thought Baker. Oh, dude, yeah, but look at the kind of catches he's caught from Evans. He got from Mayfield.

Tom Brady, okay? And then my boy, crab-stealing Jameis Winston back in college, and he went 30 for 30. You remember that? Yeah. Only quarterback to do that. And here I am still sitting, riding, going hard because my boy Warren Sapp, you know, Mikey Allstott in the middle pumping guys. Simeon Rice, what? Keyshawn Johnson on the outside. Right?

Who are we talking about? And then I tell him I'm a Bucs fan. You know, some of the boys were from Boston. They're always saying, yeah, because Brady, because Brady. Mind your business with Brady. I was cheering on when Winston was still throwing picks, guys. 30 for 30. 30 for 30. Who does that? Who is it? Jameis. Obviously. He's the only guy to do it. Still. Who's going to do that stupid record? It's a bad record. That

That was almost as bad as my threes today on the one net. Yeah. Not good. The only other one I had, the only other sports story is Zach Martin retired. Incredible career. I saw this stat Chase Daniel tweeted out. Zach Martin finished with more all pros, nine,

than holding penalties seven. That's pretty incredible. That's insane. That also tells me that he was very good at holding and getting away with it. Yeah. Also, Zach Martin is, I know that we've been doing this for a long time. We're coming up on a decade. And, you know, we've been around and we meet people all the time, but it still, like, always blows my mind when we meet a really good football player, a really good, you know, sports player, and they're like, oh, yeah, I listen to you guys. And we met Zach Martin at the Super Bowl week. He's like, yeah, I listen to you guys all the time. I was like,

Really? You're fucking Zach Martin? Yeah, you probably shouldn't listen to us. Yeah, you're the man. So, incredible career. Yeah, congrats. Incredible career for Zach Martin. I'm very glad that I don't have to play against you again. Yeah. Any other stories? What? No, congrats. No, he's absolute weapon. Yeah. Absolute weapon. And here he is, he's loving the boys. But you know what I mean? That just shows you, you guys are the beauts. It's not him anymore. He's done. Wrapped up. He's putting groceries in the bags for the people at the store at Walmart Greeter. I don't know. You know?

He's got to carry on. Boys, I'd love to stick around right now, but I got so much body flow, body armor right now. You're leaving? No, I got to catch a quick piss break. Okay, go ahead and do piss. I can't even hold... I'm going to piss my pants here, but I can't do that, though. I'm a 40-year-old man. I can't do that. Non-alcoholic either. That's a bad...

Give me a couple here. Don't shut her down. Okay, all right. We won't shut her down. I do think it was seven body armors. Hey. Or the flash IVs. Yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of body armor reads. Hey, Oldie, while you're taking a piss, think of at the end of every show on Friday, we do Fire Fest. So whatever the worst thing that happened to you this week is. Okay. Or it could be the last month. All right. All right. Okay. Go take a piss. I might be pissing my pants if I don't hang out. Bye. Okay. Love you. He's coming. I love you.

I thought he was going to his hotel. I did too. I thought he was like, the guy's been here for fucking 13 hours. I thought he was like, you know what? That

That's it. I've had enough. I'm out of here. His blood type is as close to cocaine as possible. Not that he's doing it. No, he doesn't. He said he's never tried it. He says that he's been told his entire life, we know what you're like. Never touch the stuff. Yeah, he's an incredible. He acts like he just saw Josh Allen win MVP all the time. Every single time. It's wild. But yeah, he's an incredible dude. Specimen. I almost puked on the stream because I was laughing so hard.

When he did the handstand. When he did the handstand with the side pouch pussy. That moment when we first saw the side pouch, and I was convinced I was just looking at his ball sack. Yeah. And I just couldn't. He's just like, no, dude. I think his words were, this could go on Disney right now. This is his balls? This is a human body. Nothing wrong with this. Just a couple of pouches for the boys. He also brought a bunch of treats for us, and they were all great. That's my other big takeaway from tonight is Canada, you have...

fantastic snack foods. Yeah, you do. Like, unbelievable snack foods. The coffee-flavored chocolate bar, whatever that was called. Yeah, the Coffee Break. Might be the best candy bar I've ever had. They got the all-dressed chips. They've got the ketchup chips. You brought Timbits. Timbits. They've got the Smarties, and their Smarties are chocolate. Yeah.

Listen. An incredible job by Canada with the treats. Now that Oldie's not here, I mean, Team Canada deserved to win that game with the way Binnington played. It was incredible. It was insane. Yeah. And that was an awesome, awesome hockey. He had three of the best saves I've seen in a long time. Yeah. Just in overtime. Yeah. And it was an incredible tournament. I hope they do that as often as possible because that was so good for hockey. See you in 2026, though. Yeah. See you in 2026. We're ready to go. All right. Do we have anything else before we get to our interviews? No.

Ooh, boys. Wow. Yeah. I almost never made it. And believe it, believe it or not, but somebody turned the lights off. I don't know if it's some kind of sick joke, but I had to like, good thing I pissed so many times I know where the pisser was. And I started feeling the top and I heard the metal clanging. I knew that was a top where you can flush it down. I think they're censored lights.

I don't think so, dude. What's going on? Are you a ghost? Do you exist? I believe so. I was out here bumping and grinding. I don't know if it's this building. It's a two-and-a-half-star dump or what's going on. He keeps calling this place a two-and-a-half-star dump. I know.

He was playing hockey at like 1030 in the morning, having the time of his life. He's like, yeah, I guess it's okay for a two and a half star dump out here, bumping and grinding. Like I want a bigger ceiling fans gets get too hot out there. Yeah. So oldie, we're just talking about the great snacks that you brought. Were there any, are there any American snacks that you don't get up in Canada that you really want? Oh, dude.

The Reese's Pieces We get Reese's Pieces But the Reese's Lava Cup The Lava Cup bro You ain't gonna deny that Yeah it's incredible Incredible Absolutely big And juicy bro Like if your mouth Isn't like Salivating Or what's it called there Salivating Yeah yeah

So good, dude. That's a nice crunch with a nice, oh yeah, Reese's. Throw it in there with a quick body armor. Shaboom, shaboom. You're ready to rock and roll all night, dude. Who's going to stop you? You're the best spokesman. We might just hire you just to read ads. Great gig. Great gig. And then what do I do? Just go back off and then go on? Yeah, you just drink a body armor, then you come back off. Have a Reese's Lava Cup. You ever had these Truly Unruly's?

Delicious. You'd love them. Oh, you should crush one of those. Yeah, for the boys. You want one crushed? Yeah, yeah. Crush one. Crush one. Crush it truly and truly. All right. I'm coming in? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, I'm back in. We'll see you guys in like 30 seconds. Don't go anywhere, though. Going into the ready.

We're not going anywhere. Oh, man. What is he doing? 8% alcohol, 100% delicious. It's the best. The absolute best. It's a berry blast right there. Yeah, have that. Right there. There you go. You got your berry blast. Wait, go back in and do it on the mic so we can hear you. Yeah. Boy, you want to see the suck and chugging back. Yeah. Yeah, don't go anywhere, right? We know where she goes. Yeah, don't go anywhere. We know where she goes. Right down the belly there. Okay.

Okay, now. Oh, all right. He's back. He's back. He's got to put on his cans. Do we have a Truly read? No. Oh, we did. Well, we did. We did one during the interviews. But yeah, Truly Unruly is the absolute best. 8% ABV.

Absolutely bomb. Gents, I just want to thank you very much. Appreciate that you guys didn't take off in that 30 seconds. That was pretty nice. That was real nice. That would have sucked of us if we were just gone. That was a great Canadian move. Stick around for the boys. Don't bounce on them, right? Don't get you. Later, oldie. These guys are gone back door and you guys stuck around like a true, like we're going to speak here, truly unruly. Very blast. Yeah. You hear that noise? That's the noise of...

sweetness right there oh yeah oh truly in in four three two one hatchet ah there it is folks it's delicious right excuse me oh i could go now that's a berry blaster from the pastor right there

All right, Oldie, before we do our interviews, tell us real quick, you drive the Boney back at home? Yeah, I used to drive the Boney. Now I'm pushing back Snow and the old heavy 40s.

I bump and grind out there with the fire station to volunteer. Oh, nice. You were a trash man before that. Sanitary engineer. Come on. Sanitary engineer. Come on. We talked about it. A little more respect. I'm sorry. Please give me some credentials. You drove the trash truck, though. Yeah, I drove the trash truck. For 12 years? 12 years. I used to do rear load. So we had two guys bumping and grinding. Then we had the solo dolo front end. Oh, excuse me, guys. That's a truly burp. I apologize. I apologize.

You can't hide that. Nothing wants to stay in. It's like so much liquid in there. It's like the Gulf of Mexico. It's like the Gulf of America now, dude. There you go. It's like a big splash of Gulf of America just splashing back and forth in the old ring rod there. How would you rate your bony driving? Were you the best?

Oh, it's got to be a solid 8.4. Okay. I can't sit here and stand the cat's ass because there's going to be bony drivers coming at me hot, dude. Yeah, right. Like, they're going to be coming up from Canada. They're going to be coming down here in Canada on the bonies crossing the border. Tom, I'm going to get this boy. I'll show him a real flood. Would parents, though, complain about your bony driving? Some would just keep looking at you like you don't know what you're doing. But when I'm running flawless, no lines out there, straight clear ice, can't beat it, dude. Yeah. When was the last time you got a Tilly? Tilly who? Tilly.

I used to get into quite a bit. Tilly's a fight for anyone. Oh, I know that. Yeah. You said that and I didn't know what you were talking about. If no one knows Tilly, like wake up, bro. Smell the coffee beans. You're going to get dropped here, son. I don't want to do it to you, but you're going to get no front grill. I don't say to you, you might give me a couple of sluggers, but I'm coming in hot. The reason I ask is because you came here prepared. You taped the wrists up tonight.

Just in case you've gotten one Well you know how it goes OP Did you think I do I do Did you think you were gonna get in one tonight Well you don't know You don't know what happens Working in the corners like that right Yeah When the boys don't like it Quick little slash Quick little hack Maybe you know A little dirty butt end Yeah Not a nice move or an elbow You don't like it right Yeah

Anybody ever uppercut you right in that pouch and get their hands stuck in there? Like they're reaching out and pull their leg out of quicksand? No, no one's got stuck in there yet. No gander on that, though. Yeah, no one wore tillies. Nothing too much crazy. I used to play lacrosse. You used to be able to go with the guy if you want. Yeah, I mean, if I'm looking at you, I can tell right off the bat that's a guy you don't want to get into a tilly with.

Yeah, and it doesn't matter the guy. Big, small, or tall. Give him a run. You want to go it. Run what you brung. You know what I mean? You're 6'4". Run what you brung. You're 5'8". Bring it. I don't know what to tell you. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. All right, let's get to our interviews. Oldest, you can stick around for Fyre Fest. We got Rick Pitino and then Super Bowl champ Cooper Dejean. Okay, before we get to Coach Rick Pitino, we are brought to you by our friends at Chevy. Chevy has packed more capability in the Silverado Trail Boss so that you can pack

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Okay. We now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest. It is head coach of St. John's basketball, Rick Pitino back in studio coach. Thank you so much for coming back in to our office. You have the documentary guys. The show is out now. You can watch it on vice. I watched the first episode. It's called red storm rising. Uh,

It feels like since you were last year, so last year, you guys didn't make the tournament. You now have a show about you. You're the 10th team in the country. Feels like everything, Patino Ball is starting to work at St. John's. Is that fair to say? Yeah, the biggest surprise I've had, it's very tough to pack Madison Square Garden. It's a pro town, as Chicago is, and we're like the 10th, 11th pro team. So...

I thought we could be competitive this year. Didn't know how good we would be. You never do with the NIL stuff. But...

Packing Madison Square Garden with all St. John's fans, not half Connecticut or 5,000 Villanova. The other night was amazing to me. We already moved the seat and hall game from campus to the garden, sold 16,000 seats. So that's been the biggest surprise for me and very exciting. Yeah, yeah. And how much access do these guys have behind the scenes with you? Oh, they're there. A couple times I've asked them to leave. But they're there. They catch it. Like next episode, Talik Brown, who's the point guard of the National Championship Connecticut team,

goes off crazy. And I was in the other room, and I come in, and he goes berserk, and they captured the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, they got a great clip of you from the other night. Was it the halftime speech? Yes, Providence. I think it was at halftime. You just kind of unloaded on your team. You just let them know everything that was wrong with them. You guys need to toughen the fuck up, I think you said. Did you know after you gave that speech, you're like, I nailed that?

No, I wasn't thinking that way. We were down like 10, 12 points. And what's been bothering me the whole year with my team is they count their misses every

So we're not the greatest three-point shooting team. But if my guys miss a couple of free throws, a couple of threes, they won't take them anymore. And it drives me crazy because they're wide open. Everybody's packing the lane on us. And I keep telling them, I told them the other day, if you hear me say shoot it or kill it, you must shoot the ball. So they kept hanging their heads every time they missed. Every time they missed a free throw, they'd hang their heads.

And it got to a point, I said, you guys got to toughen up, man. This is not only the game of basketball, this is the game of life. You guys face a little adversity, and you're wilting. It can't be. You got to be tougher. You got to learn. And it was from the heart, but I was trying to win a game. It was great because I do think that, especially in college sports right now with the transfer portal and NIL, there's a lot of people that are like, hey, tough coaching doesn't really happen as much anymore because guys are getting paid and guys can jump from one school to the next. So-

I feel like that was a pretty good promo for what you still stand for and your coaching style. And I think there are kids out there that still want that. They want to be coached hard. Well, both of you know this. Your favorite teachers are the ones that were toughest on you and taught you the most. And today you can be tough on the team, but you can't be tough on them individually in front of the team. If you want to be tough individually, you call them in your office, you go one-on-one, and you tell them the way you feel and get feedback. Yeah.

collectively as a team, you can get after them and they'll be very receptive. Most of them will say, oh, he's not talking about me. Right. Somebody else. Right. So did you notice a difference? Have you seen anything already since you gave them that speech? Like they missed a shot? It's been a little bit, about 50% better. But that part of the season, we've had some issues where we've had to correct some major, major flaws in

in the way we go about things. And today, in the last like 10 games, we've corrected them. They're confident. They're also not about themselves. It is about the team.

I don't only Qadari as a freshman at Syracuse has experienced the NCAA tournament and Zuby did at his first year at Kansas, but didn't play at all. Yeah. I also think you're like your team defense. I love watching you guys play the Connecticut game. I think it was two weeks ago was a perfect example where you guys got punched in the mouth. It was a crazy crowd at stores. You're down. I think you were down like 16, 18 or early and,

And you guys got back in that game, but watching that game, you didn't get back in the game because you started hitting shots. You got back in the game because of defense. You started making everything tough for UConn and then getting back in the game by shutting them down first, which I don't feel like you see very often anymore. Yeah, well, you pick up a stat sheet with us. Sometimes I am...

just marveled at our guys that were winning the game. The other day against Creighton, we're shooting 30 something percent, 50 something percent from the foul line. I think we were, uh, poorly from the three point line as well. And we're up one. Yeah. Uh,

Based on forced turnovers and offensive rebounds, we're a great offensive rebounding team because we miss a lot. Yeah. So wait, how do you fix that? Because I know watching the first episode, which everyone should go watch it because it is really very well done. But I watched the first episode and there was a lot talking about Qadari Richmond, who's your star player in fixing his shot.

Have you noticed that his shot has gotten better? And how, how has that process even work? It gets better in, in our player development sessions, but in the game, he still goes back to the little hitch that he does have. But what we're trying to do more than anything else is, is give them the confidence to take it. And, and then more than we I've changed. Last time I was, I was here with you. We were talking about the drills we do for three point shooting and our player development. So this year,

I found that we have five different shooting drills that we do and we chart each day. And it was the lowest, even lower than Iona of all the places I've worked. So I realized at that point we weren't going to be a great three-point shooting team. So we started working on what Kevin Durant works on, the mid-range game. And I've gone from a big proponent of three-point shot to

Right now, we're shooting like almost 68% from about 12 to 15 feet. And we've worked very hard at that. And RJ's gotten great at it. Qadari's great at it. Most of our players are really, really talented at the mid-range game. Yeah, you're playing to your strengths right now. So it's interesting. You mentioned, I think you were kind of joking, but you get a lot of offensive rebounds because you miss a lot of shots. There are shots, though, that result in a higher percentage of offensive rebounds, aren't there? I think Kelvin Sampson and Houston's the greatest...

proponent of that. I mean, they are unbelievable offensive rebounding team. Now, he does have a better shooting team this year, but if you are an average shooting team, which I think we are, we're average, sometimes we're decent, we're

we've got to be a great offensive rebounding team. And we also have to keep our turnovers down. The other day against Creighton, I believe we had five or six turnovers in the game. Yeah. So a quote that you had, and I love this because it is very coach speak. So I want you to maybe tell me exactly what this means. But you said, nothing changes if nothing changes.

I liked it. It's like the standard is the standard. Football guys usually say that. Yes, I stole that from my wife's mother-in-law. Okay. And it was an Irish expression she got from her mother who had an Irish brogue. And nothing's going to change if nothing changes. And I tell these guys, I tell Qadari this all the time. I said, Qadari, it's not going to change. Your shot's not going to change with the 42 minutes with me.

If you don't get in the gym, like Donovan Mitchell got in the gym every single night to improve his arc, it's not changing. You're not changing bad habits just by showing up. I said, you've got to work at that and work at that and work at that. And Donovan certainly did it. And, and,

And Qadari's not mastered that yet. Yeah, I just love the quote because it's one of those, when you hear it first, you're like, that's kind of dumb. And then you're like, oh shit, that actually means something. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Yeah, there's two different nothings though. The first nothing is the one you want to change. The second nothing is the work you have to put in to make the nothing change. And the other thing is, I've always believed, coming off of the 2013 championship at Louisville,

I was really concerned about the team. We had quite a few players back in somebody to look. If it's not broken, stick with your game plan of 2-2-1 to a matchup press. I said, no, you know what? If nothing's broken, break it. You've got to make it better because everybody's going to be prepared for it. Everybody's going to steal it. And that's, I believe, as well. If nothing's broken, don't stay the same. Break it and make it better. Innovate. Get creative. I don't believe in staying the same. You've got to change. As we get closer to the tournament,

We have to put in five new plays that they're not going to see. Yeah. Tournament time. Yeah. So there's a stat that I saw earlier today that in the last 13 years, since 2012, there have been two teams that have made the final four. If they're shooting, I believe under 34% from a three,

You coached 2012 Louisville, shot 31.8 from three, got to the Final Four. 2013 Louisville, 33.1 from three, got to the Final Four. This year, I believe you're at 29.3.

So if there's a coach that can get a team that sometimes struggles from the outside of the Final Four, it would be you. Do you feel like this team, the tournament format, do you feel like that sets up nicely for the style of play you guys have? Well, I think I've been blessed with so many different types of teams. My 96 championship team, I thought my second unit could have won it. We had like seven, eight pros on the team.

The 2000, the 87 Providence team was Billy Donovan and a bunch of guys that were just great guys and worked hard, but we had great shooters on the wing. My 2005 team at Louisville was just great shooters on the wing. Neither team was great defensively. Then the two teams you mentioned,

were great defensively, struggled a little bit, but they were great off-the-bounce players. Peyton Seaver, Russ Smith, Luke Hancock, they could take you off the bounce. And the same thing is true with RJ Louise, with this team, Qadari Richmond, Simeon Wilshere, they can take you off the bounce.

So I don't worry about that stat too much as long as we're shooting the two-point shot at a high number, which we are. Are you starting to get illusions of grandeur with this team? Because that was the other thing you said early on. You're like, I don't... I liked it because a lot of coaches won't be as honest as you were. You're like, I don't have illusions of grandeur for these guys yet. Like, are they good? I don't know. We haven't played anyone. We got to find out. So are you starting to think, hey, this team is a dangerous team come March? My post-game speech the other night

I asked Vice to leave it and I said, "Look guys, just want to tell you right now. You have done something that I didn't think you could do. I didn't think you could pack Madison Square Garden. I didn't think it would happen in two years. So all the credit goes to you. You're on top of the Big East, which is amazing. All the credit goes to you. But understand now your life takes on a new meaning because now people want more and more and more.

And I told them what you guys just repeated about some of the teams I've coached that weren't super talented team like the 96 team and the sky's the limit, but you must do the following things. And I went through it. You must take your game now to a new level because March Madness is right around the corner. Right. And they were pumped up about it. I said, but you guys, what you're doing to me, I marvel at it. And then I said something. I said, look, I don't know, guys, I'm 72.

I'm having a blast. I said, if I'm blessed enough to coach three or four more years, so be it.

If I go out this year and you guys make an incredible run, so be it. But I just want to let you know how gratifying it is to watch you reach these heights. Yeah. Yeah. And there is, there's something about Rick Pitino in the second years that you've been able to do it. What is, what is that? Because you know, they, they showed it in, in the first episode, but Providence second year, you go from a 17 and 14 team to a final four Kentucky, uh,

People will think, oh, how can you turn around Kentucky? It's Kentucky. No, they had the death penalty. You guys were ineligible. You turned them around. Louisville, same thing. Iona. And now the second year at St. John. What is it about the second year that you're able to do this and have these big bounces? I think you've got to develop with a basketball team how much you hate losing.

You got to develop that at how much you despise losing. And then when you lose, you're willing to do anything to correct those mistakes. And you build that. Not that you're a sore loser, but that you got to hate losing. Inside, you've got to hate to lose. So if you're down 14 with six to go, you have to have the belief you're going to come back and win that game because you hate to lose. And I think we instill that. It takes a year to instill that, but these guys feel it right now and they hate to lose. I told them today, we have DePaul tonight. I said, guys,

The Paul can beat anybody in this league. They were up four at Marquette last week, late in the game. We all saw what Connecticut did to Seton Hall. And I told them, I said, let's take Connecticut as an example.

If they would have lost to Seton Hall and now they have nine or 10 losses and they lose to us or somebody else, will they go to tournament 11 and 12? And they're an outstanding team and superbly well coached. I said, so you have to understand this is just the beginning right now with five games left. Yeah. This might be a dumb question, but along those same lines, can a team win too much? Like, is it good from a coach's perspective? Obviously you want to win every game you play and every game you coach, but

It's useful sometimes to have a bad loss where you can light a fire to their ass, right? So how do you keep that going if you're on such a great streak and you keep beating teams that maybe some people think that you shouldn't beat? Yeah, I think it's a great question. It happened to me one time in 96, a young Chicago kid named Antoine Walker. We were on a run that was incredible. The average margin of victory, I think, in the SEC at that time was 26 points, and the SEC was very strong back then.

So we were killing everybody and we go into the tournament. We've won every year at a tournament. And I said, well, I'd love to not win it this year because we were so invincible beating people. And Antoine Walker, I took him out of the game. I said, great defense, Twan. Will you keep him in front of you? He said, I did. They didn't switch. He gave me a very honest answer. I said, you're done for the night.

And I knew if I kept him out, we'd have a chance of losing. So sure enough, one of the Mississippi State players sat on the ground. Now, we tried to win the game. We did everything possible, but Twan wasn't going to play.

I forgot his name. He played in the pros, 6'7", forward, sat on the ground and shot the ball from the ground with no time, and we lost in the finals. And I was happy. I knew at that point we were going to win the national championship. Yeah, it just gives you motivation. But with this team, to answer your question, we had four losses. We don't need to lose. Right, you don't need that at this point. When that shot goes in, did you have to act like you were really upset in the moment? Yeah, I was going to get all over Antoine.

Antoine was great to coach. I mean, he drove me crazy because every single day he'd come up to me during practice. He was a trash talker all the time and he would say, coach, do me a favor.

get Ron Mercer, get Ron off of me. He's going to lose his confidence. We need him to play well next game. Put somebody else on me. And he would do that to me the whole practice. Coach, get him off me. You're going to kill his confidence. Yeah, that early season loss to Baylor, I know that you can't comment on it, but you did cover two and a half, so thank you for that. But the ball was... What upsets me about that, the ball was in his hands. I know. And the referee...

Didn't have a stopwatch. Didn't take a look at that. I know. I mean, you have to do that. I know. So I'm counting it that we've only had three losses. Yeah. I mean, and also very weird. I mean, you're playing in a conference room in the Bahamas. Yeah, in the ballroom. Yeah. I mean, it's great to play in it, but the courts are always slippery. Yeah. The clock wasn't very well adjusted. It was a great game. I remember when I was watching the episode, I was like, I remember sitting on my couch watching this whole game back and forth, double overtime. Like, awesome. Cool.

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Okay, here he is back to Coach Rick Pitino. So you've been doing this for a long time. You're not new to criticism. I wanted to read some criticism that maybe came from a college basketball expert at Barstool Sports, and I want you to comment on it, okay? This is what this person said. This is from actually I think the day you were hired at St. John's. He said,

Facilities stink. Best players in area leave NYC. Garden doesn't draw. Haven't made conference semis since 2000. How do you fix that? Hire a 70-year-old man with no successor plan. Patino will make them a story and draw attention, but this is a stopgap. That's a college basketball quote-unquote expert. Look, not a lot of coaches are coaching in their 70s. I do it because I love it.

Tony Bennett just left a brilliant coach. Some people want to keep coaching. Because I sat out two years from the game, I realized I can't live without it.

Being around the guys keeps you young. You're always working out to stay young. You're always doing things. You're active. I already had the experience of retirement for two years, and I didn't like it too much. So I think we do have a successor plan. Yeah. You know, I think my assistant coach, Stevie Maciello, would be a great succession to me leaving. He was my New York Knick ball boy at age 14. He went with me at Louisville. Yeah.

He was going to have a great team in Manhattan before he left there. He's a New York guy, so I think we have that plan. Now, I don't pick that, certainly. Ed Cole, our great athletic director, will pick that. I do think I got a good run in me left. Yeah. You know, I hope, God willing. But, I mean, this person said, garden doesn't draw. You literally are drawing the garden now. Yeah, I am surprised we're selling out. Yeah, but you proved them wrong in a year and a half. This Rico Bosco guy.

Who's that? It's Junk Take. What's his name? Rico Bosco. No, so Rico does work with us. We had like a big debate. He's obsessed with this succession plan thing where he's like, well, what are they going to do after Patino leaves in like six or seven years? Like, what does it matter? If he goes and he has a six, seven-year run at St. John's and they win –

You're not going to take one of the best basketball coaches of all time for those six or seven years? It's insane. I'll ask you a question. What's the succession plan at Virginia right now? Right. What's the succession plan at Miami right now? Who knows what it is? Right. You don't know the future. And I will say this. St. John's...

The only mistakes they made with ADs or coaches is they, St. John's is a different job. It's an inner city, a commuter school. I believe you got to hire a Northeast person who understands St. John's. You have to understand because it's different than any place I've ever worked. So it has to be a Northeastern. It has close ties to New York, to the subway alumni. 50% of our season ticket holders are not alumni. Right. So you've got to know that the NIL saved St. John's.

Probably the NIL saved DePaul because...

when you have the NIL now, so it's not about football. It's not about the campus. It's not about, it's about playing in the big East, playing at Madison Square Garden and your professional athlete. Yeah. So it helped us immensely. Just promise me this. When Rico Bosco, when you guys make a final four run and he asked for a jumpsuit to, and jump on the bandwagon, just, you gotta, I'll give the tweet to one of your guys on staff and just, just so you have it. And we'd be like, are you the same guy? Cause he will, he'll ask to get a jumpsuit and be like, I always loved Patino.

Well, that guy's also a Nate Oates mouthpiece. Yeah, he is. So whatever. Yeah, he was probably Nate Oates, probably texted Rico. So if you mind putting this word about St. John's. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So how has that that statement from Rico looked in terms of recruiting guys from New York? Well, to tell you the truth, I don't we recruit very few guys from New York right now. We have Qadari as a transfer from New York. I think he's our really only New Yorker. Jaden Glover lived in New Jersey. He's originally from New York.

I think New York is more attractive away from New York than in New York. I agree that as somebody who used to live in New York. Yeah. I like look at it and I'm like, I could go back to the village and walk around a little bit, hit up a few bars. The second I get to Midtown, I'm like, uh, nope, going back. Well, I grew up in New York and I didn't want to stay in New York. I wanted to travel to another campus, another place and go away to college. So with the NIL, it's changed the game completely. Now I like the NIL, um,

And it's like if you're at a Philadelphia 76ers, is your money being spent wisely? They're getting knocked all the time on TV about some of the moves they made. Well, injuries are part of the game, and Bede's been hurt. This guy's been hurt. So the money is not panning out, where the Oklahoma Thunder, it's really panning out. Incidentally, I show almost four times a week

clips of the Oklahoma Thunder defense to our guys. Because I know the pro thing will really excite them. Lou Dort. Yep. And we show the way they play defense. The way they play defense is like college defense. Yeah. Yeah, they're all over people.

people. That's a fact. So you've been accepted back at Kentucky, which has to feel good because there's been a long time where that wasn't the case. And now Cal's going through the same thing where he got booed and he's on the outside. What has it been like with Mark Pope now being there? I think you even got a little criticism for maybe being too pro-Kentucky, but I

I thought it was cool. It was one of those moments like, hey, I had the heights of my success here and I'm finally being welcomed back into Big Blue Nation. It was a great moment. You know, I made a statement that Kentucky should cheer John Calipari when he goes back. They won a national championship. And I said, because I knew firsthand how much it hurt me being booed by 24,000 people. Today, I understand it.

Going to Louisville. But I didn't go from Kentucky to Louisville. I went from Kentucky to Celtics to Louisville. I understand it. But it made me feel great being welcomed back. And it wasn't taking a shot at Louisville because I root for Louisville because they have Peyton Seaver on their staff. Right. And I root for my players. I've always rooted for my players. I watch them on TV in the pros. I watch them coaching Mick Cronin in UCLA, Billy Donovan with the Bulls.

All my guys out there, when Travis Ford was with St. Louis, Mark Pope now, I just, Kevin Willett at Maryland, I've just roofed for my guys. - Yeah, yeah. - So there's an update to Joe Lunardi's Bracketology that came out, I think, last week. Do you pay any attention to that?

Not this time of year, but he was wrong last year. He's usually on the money. Well, he also went to sleep, right? Yeah, he did. He went to sleep. Yeah, when the brackets came out, he was just like, peace, I'm out. No, it was conference championship Saturday. Right, it was before. It was at night. He's like, going to bed. What do you mean? That's the most important day that you have to work.

Yeah. Right now, I don't think you can pay too much attention to it. Yeah. Well, I think sometimes he likes to put in these matchups that catch your eye, and then you're like, oh, imagine if those teams played. I think he has you guys playing against Kentucky in the round of 32. That would be interesting. I would love it. Yeah.

I'd love it because we got to the 32. We got by, you know, the first round. So, no, I think Kentucky's probably a polar opposite basketball team than us. They are a brilliant offensive team. Although we get a lot of assists per game. We have a high number of assists. Kentucky is a five-out basketball team. We're not.

We're a terrific defensive team, offensive rebounding team. We're great off the bounce. But I would love it, obviously. Can you just promise us one thing, that if you do end up playing against Kentucky in the tournament, you break out the white suit? Ooh.

Can you? They didn't have a whiteout this year. That was disappointing. Can you do the white suit again? It was a white suit against Kentucky. I definitely have spent a lot of money. I've won one time. Yeah. That would be nice. We need to see that, yeah. The white suit would be pretty cool. Break it out for old time's sake. I think you should. Wait, so we were talking a little bit before, but how are your horses doing?

So I had a win the other day. I don't own too many of them anymore. And my ownership is a lot of guys I own. But the one horse I do own 100% of won the other day, New York bred, with a 92 buyer called Agalos the Great, named after my agent in Greece.

And he's become like a little brother to me. And Agalos, the great one. And I was super excited about that. Yeah. Where did he win? He won at the Pegasus? Aqueduct. Oh, okay, Aqueduct. Yeah. Yeah. That's... You know, New York bread pots are substantial. So if you have a good New York bread, you can make some money. Yeah. Yeah. I was in Greece this summer. And I think I was flying out on the day that you were flying in. Because it was the... What tournament was that that Greece was playing in? It was...

I forget, but your old team was playing, I think, and you flew in. They won the championship, Punta de Nicos, last year. They won the EuroLeague championship. There you go. So I was flying out the day you were flying in. You had told us that when we had you on Kentucky Sports Radio. So I spent about 30 extra minutes just walking around the terminal, just seeing if I saw Rick Pitino come in, like, welcome you to Greece. When you go back to Greece, how do they treat you? Oh,

Oh, they treat me great. Better than even when I was a coach at Kentucky. The people there just love basketball. What I do is I take two friends of mine and we go to two different or three different islands together.

for eight days every summer. So last year we went to Milos, Pados, and Antipados. And we take, there's over 120 islands in Greece. When you go to Greece, Athens is good for one night. Yep. A day and a half. Yeah. You go to Panteion and you see some of the local sites, but then you go to the islands and that's what makes it fun. Yeah. So what is it about Greece that has such a special basketball culture?

You know, most of Europe is all soccer. Soccer is very popular in Greece, but not more popular than basketball. They rival each other. Because Panathinaikos and Olympiakos, the two great teams, that when they play each other, they put a net around the court. That's how violent it could be. And when we walk in, you'll have 50...

Police with shields as you walk in the building, so it's it's one of the fiercest rivalry in all sports But they love it and they went they win a lot of EuroLeague championships. Yeah, so last year you guys Obviously didn't make the tournament. Did you think you were right on that bubble and like hey we had a chance How does that work on selection Sunday where you're like? I think maybe we have a chance here it was back in a New York Post said Johnny's are dancing

We just beat Creighton. We played great. We got the first time to the quarterfinals. We were playing great basketball. I had a little darkness of doubt, but everybody else had us in. As it turned, we weren't even close. We weren't even last four out. I was more surprised. Seton Hall had 13 Big East wins, and they didn't get in. So Max, our producer back there, he's a Villanova guy, also Italian. He claims, and I want to know what you think about this, he claims that that Seton Hall-St. John's being left out

The Big East is an Italian league, and that was anti-Italian discrimination. What do you think? Yeah, 100%. Okay, all right, all right. Yeah, so he was right. After selection Sunday, he's like, this is just anti-Italian discrimination. They just want to keep the Italians out of the tournament. Yeah, but I think Shaheen has some Italian blood in him, too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I do believe that definitely Seton Hall deserved it. I thought we...

What was amazing to me, for the first time, and not because we didn't make it, I thought it was the first time the chair of the committee knew very little about the game of basketball. I'm sure he's a fabulous AD, but I don't understand why they don't have Coach K, Roy Williams,

putting basketball people in on that every year. Guys like Jim Boeheim and Roy Williams and Coach K would be happy to be on those committees. And when they're talking about Duke, Syracuse, or North Carolina, they leave the room. But to have those guys there, they're looking. And then I just wanted to know, so I called some people on the committee and said, okay, what metrics did you use and what am I missing? Because we were, I think, 29 in the net. I think we were like 18 or 19 in Pomeroy.

And they all had different metrics that they were using. They weren't all together using the same common denominators. Yeah. And they probably had minus five for Italian. Yes. They bunched it down. There's just a little asterisk there. Are you in favor of expanding the tournament? I am because I don't think it hurts it. I don't think it hurts it. I think getting more teams is exciting. It's the one thing.

So when I was your age, back in the day, starting out as a head coach. We're older than you think. We're older than you think, coach. We just turned 40. We just turned 40. We just turned 40. Yeah. So I was going to say 35, 36. I appreciate that. So back then, college basketball and college football was on the same level. The NBA...

And the NFL were on the same level starting at, this is like 30, 40 years ago. Today, a bad college football game, a mid-May Ohio U playing somebody on a Saturday will outdraw an NBA playoff game. Yeah. Now, is that gambling? Is it football just marketed so much better? I don't know.

But the one thing we do have is March Madness. So anything to make it better, if it's not broken, break it and make it better. And I don't think it hurts anything to have more TV exposure. Yeah, I mean, it is true. Football has completely consumed American culture unlike anything we thought would be possible. And, you know, like it's the debate, is the NBA broken? Is Major League Baseball broken? It's like, yeah, maybe they've gone down a little, but I think it's more that the NFL has just –

Just taking over everything to a level that we didn't never expect it. It blows me away. It really does blow me away. I'm happy about it in one sense, disappointed in another sense. I'm a Miami Dolphins season ticket holder for those two years I was out. And I had a great time going to the games with my children. The bad thing, what I don't like right now is that

I don't see UCLA and USC traveling to go play Penn State and Rutgers and teams like that. It makes no sense to me. The rivalries of UCLA and USC and some of the other programs on the West Coast, to me, I would never be in favor of that. It's an odd fit for sure. How do you feel with the NIL and transfer portal? Because it's funny, you've gone the reverse of some of your contemporaries where Coach K has retired, Tony Bennett, like you mentioned, Boeheim, Roy Williams.

A lot of these guys feel like they've gotten out because of the transfer portal and NIL and having to play a different game. You've kind of almost run into the fire and been like, I'm ready for it. I'm ready for the challenge. I like it because I spent 10 years in the pros. And to me, it's almost a carbon copy of the EuroLeague. The EuroLeague, if you sign a player for two years, that's a long time. So it's really a one-year contract. You're getting different players every year. And that's the way it's with us. Now, fortunately for us, we haven't lost our freshmen yet.

Our freshmen have come back. So this year we're losing. We're not even looking at a high school basketball player. We're losing Aaron Scott, Qadari Richmond, and Davon Smith. So we're looking for three transfer guys. And I like it. I don't get involved in the financial negotiations of any of that. But if we need more money...

I'll call our guy Mike Rapoli and say we need more money. Yes, he's ready to go. Wait, so you're not even looking at any college or high school kids? No, not this year. So if a five-star high school kid calls you up and is like, hey, I know you're not looking, but I want to come to St. John's. I probably wouldn't take him because I don't think you can win

And win big with high school kids. Huh. I really don't believe it. It sounds like there's one high school kid that's really good that you're right now just saying, we don't even want you. Yeah, this is smart. We're playing hard to get with him. I wish it was true. Good recruiting. Yeah, that's really smart. That's the kind of guy that you would want, right? A guy that kept knocking on your door. Yeah, nothing changes if nothing changes. So that's an interesting point that you just made, though. Do you think that your time in Greece has made you a better...

like have a leg up in the NIL and transfer world in college basketball? So we all make mistakes as we talked, you make mistakes in the pros with who you draft. You know, I tried to convince the years I begged the New York Knicks to take Donovan Mitchell. I think it's six and not a 12. I said, look, this guy's better than you think he is. And they took a Frank, Nick and Nikita or something from France. I think it was. So you got to really study these guys. First of all,

Is it just about money? Is that why they're staying in college? Or are they really into winning? Are they going to be part of that I hate to lose attitude? So you've got to really study them. You've got to talk to their trainers. You've got to talk to their assistant coaches that may have moved on. You've got to really do your homework and your research on this. And we really do our homework on all of this. Yeah, because it does feel like there are teams. It's kind of like free agency in sports where they

won the offseason and they've got this transfer and this transfer and the parts just don't fit together. And you're in the G League and you're making $75,000 to $100,000 or you can go to college and make $600,000 or $400,000. So you're going to stay in college, but are you getting them for the right reasons? Okay, the money's great. And most of these guys, what I can appreciate, they help out their families. They're not spending it on themselves. They're really helping out their families. They're getting their families into better situations. So I'm

I'm great with that, but I want to make sure we're getting guys that just have that desire where they really, really inside hate to lose. Yeah, yeah. And probably also just think about basketball all the time. What's an appropriate amount of time for one of your star players to spend actually working on basketball during the course of a week? Here's the greatest hypocrisy of it all. I mean, guys are making, I hear stories. I don't believe all of them. They're making it from $1.5 million to $100,000.

Now you're going to tell them they can only work 20 hours a week. Right. I mean, it's hip. The NCAA, I've always said this about them. They are never proactive. They're always reactive. Remember the young man from Connecticut? I forgot his name that he said he was starving at night. The six foot backcourt player.

I forgot his name, but he said he was starving at night and he didn't have any money for food. And now they started a refueling station where now you can have a place 24 hours a day to have food. So they reacted to his statement. Right. And they're always reacting. They're never proactive. The fact that we have a 20 hour rule right now is absurd. Now, we don't spend 20 hours now this part of the season because we don't want to get injured. Right. But in the beginning, in the summertime, they give you five hours a week.

That's crazy. Eight hours with strength. I think it's four hours, actually. Four hours of basketball, four hours of strength training. That's absurd. Guys are there for the summer to work out, get better, improve it. It's the opposite of the Mamba mentality. I mean, Kobe Bryant, who believes in that, taking it to a new level. And that's that Mamba mentality. And I'm a firm believer in everything Kobe Bryant stood for with that. Yeah. Are your conditioning drills just as hard as they used to be? Yeah.

Yeah, but we condition with basketball. I'm not a big suicide guy. I'm not a big guy running on the track. Everything we do is running with a basketball. It's nonstop fast break basketball. And that's the way you should condition. Yeah. Because basketball is a different form of, you know, I used to be a runner. I

I would run six, eight miles a day and try it for speed. And I'd go in the gym and play three-on-three, and I was exhausted. Right. It's just a different cardiovascular altogether. Yeah, because your teams always are some of the best-conditioned teams. I didn't know if, like, getting a little older, you didn't take it as hard on them. Because I would hate to see that. No, I run the same practices. I think that there's certain players that I give more of a break to. Like, Qadari Richmond, he's not a...

he's gonna save a lot of his energy for games. He's gonna save it. He knows his body, he knows his game. So I'll take him and I said, "You're going 100%. I'll get you out."

But you're going 100%. Right. And he gives it to me. He gives me 100%. I know you don't yell at referees. You were pretty clear about that with us. You've never yelled at a referee. Once in a while. When you're coaching against, hypothetically, Danny Hurley, who's giving the ref a piece of his mind, do you feel like you have to step up your game maybe occasionally? I know you never do it, but you see him doing it, and you're like, I've got to say something. When I refereed...

Before the game, I say this to the three guys who come to shake your hand. I said, I'm going to tell you right now, referee the game. Don't talk to me. Don't talk to him. That's all I say. Because I'm not going to watch you

Have debates with him the entire night while the game is going on or we're shooting a free throw. That's the only thing I'll say to them. I said, ref the game. Can you imagine you guys are Wall Street brokers and you sit in front of your monitor and it's very intense and you're trading stocks and somebody's yelling at you every play, every trade, somebody's yelling at you. That's a bullshit call. And how are you going to focus in on trading that stock and matching up the buy and the sell?

So I have a problem with referees because they're always, I got a technical foul. First one, I think in a couple of years the other day in the Seton Hall game at Seton Hall, because the referee was literally having a discussion with Shaheen for over 45 seconds while they were at a free throw and something, they were checking the clock. I said, what are you doing? Referee the game.

And he gives me a technical, gives Shaheen a technical. And that's my, in the pros, they don't do that. Yeah. The coach will say something to the guy and they just walk away in the pros. They don't do, I wished college officials would do, walk away. Because what's happening, if you're listening, if that referee is listening to that coach, the TV audience,

18,000 people saying that coach is getting the next call. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Does it feel a little bit good though to get a technical like bad boys still got it? I would feel good about that. I would try to get a tech just to fire up the guys. As long as it doesn't, as long as it doesn't affect the game. We were up 20 at the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Like sometimes getting a speeding ticket once every couple of years. It's like, yeah, you got me. Yeah. Yeah. Get the guys. Yeah. Going and just being like, look, I'm going to fight for you. I'm going to get a technical, maybe get thrown out of the game. When was the last time you've been thrown out of the game?

Probably Louisville, maybe Georgia Tech. Herb Sendek, I think, was my assistant coach. And I think we won the game. Herb did a great job, who's now at Santa Clara. Yeah, why'd you get thrown out? I had enough of them. But never yell at refs. Never done it before. Last year during the tournament, did you watch all the games? I did. Did you experience it like we did, sitting at home on a couch, multiple TVs? What was that like for you? I told Danny when we played them,

I said, you're going to win it all for a second time. And I thought he had the team. We lost 95-90 to them. We played him better than anybody else in the tournament. But I thought, you know, he does a great coaching job.

And he had outstanding talent. I love the Kid Castle. I love the Biggs, small forwards. They were a terrific team. They scout very well. They take away your strengths. So I thought they had it to win it a second time. You need some breaks. He didn't need them last year. But you need breaks to get to a Final Four and win it all. Were you on the couch watching all the games, like that Thursday appointment TV? Yeah, I'm a big fan of March Madness. Big fan. I wasn't.

I was upset that we didn't get in, but I said, look, I told the team this year, we blew it because early in the year we had a bad loss against Michigan. I didn't realize that that would be a quad three or quad four loss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just, they didn't have it. Yeah, yeah. It is crazy how that can all turn on you depending on who you lose to early. I do love your odds this year, though. Love them. I think you've got a great team. Thank you. I love them at 30 to one. Not that I know, but.

We're enamored with your team. Might have. Financially. Well, yeah, I like you guys 30 to 1. You 30 to 1 to win a national championship? Yeah.

We can laugh about it at Belmont. This was the beginning of the year? No, this was like three or four weeks ago. Oh, okay. It might have been after the UConn game because, like I said, I watched that whole game and I was just so impressed with you guys coming because I thought watching that game, the way UConn came out, they needed that win. And I was like, this is just a night where St. John's got nothing. And then you just fought back on that defensive end, getting turnovers. Yeah, they're good with that. And I think I am so worried about tonight's game.

with DePaul because I really like this coach from DePaul. I think he's excellent. I think he gets the most out of them. They shoot it well. And coaches like that are dangerous because they get their teams, regardless of their record, to play extremely tough basketball. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's a tough league. All right, I got one last question. It's a rowback question, rhoback.com, promo code TAKE.

20% off your first purchase, Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com, promo code TAKE. Make sure this stays in the Vice episode. Roback.com, promo code TAKE. Okay, let's make a headline real quick. Has anyone in your world been contacted by the Indiana Hoosiers? No. Okay.

No one. No one. I've had a lot of contacts with professional teams right now from Europe. Okay. Who are dying to have me back. Got it. But the Indiana Hoosiers are looking. I mean, Indiana is something about the Indiana job. Every name, every big name gets thrown out there. Can I give you my pick? Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to have some people upset at me. If I was the AD at Indiana and –

Am I friendly with this person? Yes, I am. Do I have a lot of respect for this person? Yes, I do. But I would immediately not even interview anybody else and hire one of the premier coaches in all of college basketball. That's Chris Beard from Mo Miss. I wouldn't even think about another person. He's perfect for that job. He's a tough, hard nose. The years I was sitting out, I got friendly with him because he asked me to. He didn't know me. I didn't know him to come out and speak to his team.

He was at Texas Tech. And I went out and spoke to him, but I watched two days of practice. And I always judge a coach by his practices. And I have to tell you, those are some of the best practices and meetings with his team that I've ever witnessed. So I am a gigantic fan of Chris Beard.

and I think he would kill it at Indiana. He'd have him in the top five to seven every single year. Remember, he brought Texas Tech to the championship game and could have won it if that young man didn't hit that from Virginia, that corner shot, great shot that he did hit. So he's a superstar top three coach in my estimation.

I would never hire myself for that job. Okay. You would never hire yourself for that job? For that job, for Indiana. Why not? Because I belong at St. John's. Yes. That's a good answer. What's the sign, last question, what's the sign of a bad practice? How quickly can you know that a bad practice is occurring? When the players get bored,

They don't give 100% attention physically and mentally. It doesn't have to be long. It could be an hour and 20 minutes. It could be an hour. When they're all tuned in to the assignment of what the coaches are saying and the coaches, insistent coaches, are totally engaged with

in every single drill and they maximize their effort with every single drill, that's a great practice. - Okay. - Okay, I like that. - I like that. We gotta practice hard. - We have some bad practices here at Barstool Sports. - Yes, yes. We gotta practice better. I mean, we have Coach Gruden now. I don't know if you've seen, but he's on staff, John Gruden. - I know John. He's a great guy. - Yeah, he's the best. - Yeah, and he's been giving us the business 'cause we've had some bad practices.

Yeah, there's another guy who should be back in the NFL. Yeah. Well, we like him here. So maybe a couple more years here and then go back to the NFL. Maybe you'll part-time in the NFL. Yeah, we enjoy watching football with him. Yeah, yeah. Well, Coach, thank you so much for coming back. We appreciate it. And good luck the rest of the season. 30-1. Appreciate you having me. Let's do it. Let's make some magic. Let's do it.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He is Super Bowl champion, Cooper DeJean. Cooper, first of all, thank you. Congratulations. Thank you for joining us. It's been, what, eight, nine, ten days? Has it fully set in? You just told us you're back in Iowa. Has it fully set in that every time people say your name now, it's Super Bowl champion attached to it? It's set in a little bit, I think. I think I've...

Kind of realize that a little bit now, but it's still pretty crazy to me to think about. Yeah. Especially in my my first year getting to get to win a Super Bowl is pretty crazy. Yeah. Has a hangover gone away yet?

It's getting there. It's getting there. I'm slowly recovering, slowly recovering. So it's getting there. Wait, so you're back in Iowa right now. You're from a very small town. What was it like getting – was there a parade or anything? I mean, this is –

You're the most famous thing that's ever come out of your town, I would assume. Like, is it weird being back and being like, yeah, you guys watched me on Super Bowl Sunday return an interception from Patrick Mahomes to the house. Like, that's got to be kind of crazy. Yeah, there's no parade, no parade. But I think I kind of snuck back into town. I don't know if.

I don't know if anybody knew I was back. Yeah. No, they know. Yeah, they definitely know. Yeah. They've been setting up a perimeter since the Super Bowl so that everybody can know when she got back in there. Yeah. That's got to be awesome, though. Yeah. Wait, how many people live in your hometown? Just under 1,000.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah, they know. They know. Are you going to go to like a basketball game or something? Because this is like a storybook movie thing. Like small town hero comes back and you're going to have like an insane welcome and everything. Yeah, my brother's got a basketball game on Thursday. Okay. So I'll get to go check that out and see what kind of reception there is.

There's for me there. I have a prediction for the reception. I think that the population of your hometown is going to be slightly above 1,000 in like nine months. People are going to be going nuts. Yeah. That's such a cool feeling. Oh, man. So, all right. Let's talk about the game real quick. We have some other topics we want to hit. But the pick six, obviously, I would assume you've watched the replay a bunch. But in the moment...

It felt like you knew exactly where you were going. It was such a great return. The pick was great, but the return was even better. Did it feel like it slowed down for you in that moment where you just kind of saw everything? Because it was a perfect return. Yeah. I mean, I think the way – because it was a rollout to the right, and I was catching it coming back the opposite way. So it kind of – I kind of just –

Fell right into the right lane there. When I caught the ball, everybody was going the opposite way. Had some big boys out in front. Got me some blocks. Had to make some mistakes. It seems like it worked almost perfectly with the way I caught the ball and the way everybody else was running. It worked out pretty well. How many times did you watch the replay?

So many times. Yeah, I love that. It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's... It's...

They had all the different country broadcasts, like their reactions to it too, which was cool. Did you have a favorite of those? What's that? Did you have a favorite of those? I think it's like the...

It might be like the Mexican one is pretty fun to listen to, even though I have no idea what they're saying besides my name. But really all of them are pretty cool to listen to. Yeah, the Japanese ones always get me fired up. They always sound like they're having the best time in the booth. Yeah, big time.

Was there a moment where you thought, I'm actually on track to be Super Bowl MVP? I did never think about that, to be honest. I didn't see that until after the game. Or I didn't realize it until after the game. After that pick, I was probably pretty high on the list to be Super Bowl MVP at that point. But the game Jalen had, obviously. He deserved that, but...

I didn't even realize that until after the game. Kind of forgot all about it. Yeah, we had some guys that we were watching with that took a flyer on you to win Super Bowl MVP. They were pumped. They were very, very excited. Jersey Jerry was basically like every single time you guys were on defense, he's like, here comes another pick six and I'm going to win Super Bowl MVP with Cooper DeGene. So he was rooting hard for it.

Because one pick six in the Super Bowl, you are in the discussion almost immediately. And the game did turn on your pick six. That's got to be a cool feeling where it's not only obviously a pick six in the Super Bowl, but that was really the moment that it was like, oh shit, the Eagles are going to kill the Chiefs here. Yeah. I mean, we got up 10-0 and then being able to

Anytime you get a defensive touchdown in any game, that changes the tide of any game, especially in a Super Bowl, being able to go up 17-0 after a defensive touchdown.

I mean, that's huge for any team. I think it just helped us just continue to roll through that game. Yeah, you guys played great defense in that entire game. The week of practice leading up to it, did you think, like, we've got something here, we can shut down Patrick Mahomes? Like, did you think it could be that good? I think everybody had confidence that –

we could put on a good show when we went out there. Everybody had a lot of confidence in us. I don't know if we knew it would be by that large of a margin, but just the week of practice that we had, I think I myself was pretty confident in what we would be able to do against them defensively. We didn't even blitz one time. We had some blitzes drawn up to run and

When you got those guys up front, you know, we never really had to. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I got a question in the transition to the NFL. You get to the Eagles. Your, you know, first game, let's call it first month.

Nick Sirianni, it's fourth and two, it's fourth and three, and you're going for it. Were you like, wait, I didn't think this was allowed because you came from Iowa and that was just punt no matter what. Was that a culture shock? That had to have been a culture shock. Yeah, it was a little different for me. A little different for me, you know, being –

being used to just playing field position and, and, you know, having our, having our defense, you know, just keep, keep their offense pinned back and, you know, flipping the field once, once we make them punt. So it was, it was a little different for me, especially those first few weeks when we're, we're around our own 50 yard line and we're just going for it on, on fourth and three, fourth and four, whatever it is. And,

Like that'd be, that'd be a no brainer. Like, like punt. Yeah. So yeah, it was, it was a little different, but I kind of liked the switch up. Yeah. I imagine you like, like I just, it's a stupid, obviously isn't how it works, but like you writing back to Iowa, writing a letter being like, you guys won't believe what happens here. Like we don't punt.

It's crazy. I've discovered going for it. There's a different world out there, and it doesn't involve punting. But that is Iowa, and you guys do it so well. I also should say...

You got totally screwed in the Minnesota return. Yep. I remember I had Iowa in that game. I was very upset. That's bullshit. I don't know if that's still – I don't know if the Super Bowl maybe makes it a little easier, but I would still be pissed about that return against Minnesota a couple years ago. Yeah, I'm definitely still a little upset about that one. Yeah. Because it changed – like we could have –

It changed our season from a 10-win season to an 11-win season. And that puts you in a whole different category, you know, at the University of Iowa at least. So that was tough for us. Yeah. I was furious as well. Did they tell you what was wrong with that, with your fair catch signal? They said –

They said when I was running and because I was trying to point at the ball because whenever the ball is like away from the returner, you don't want other guys to get hit by it. So it's a muff. So I was trying to point at the ball as I was running. My arm was swinging side to side. And they said that counts as an invalid fair catch signal or whatever they said. But that's not even why they went to review it in the first place, which was –

the frustrating part they they were reviewing it to see if i stepped out of bounds and then they they came back with that so it was uh i don't know it was it was pretty pretty frustrating yeah it was bullshit it was bullshit we'll say it's bullshit um and then you you go into the draft process were you surprised that the eagles took you even though you didn't go to georgia um i had uh i had

I mean, the Eagles were one of the teams who I actually thought I may end up with. I met with them one time on a top 30 visit there, but I actually thought I might end up there. I didn't know. I didn't know it would be the way it happened, but I'm glad it happened the way it happened. Yeah.

being able to come in with Q and us being two rookies in the same position, I think it helped us both. It made it easier, made the transition easier on us both. Yeah, because there's that famous draft night, not famous, but a draft night video where the Rams traded up

and the Eagles brass thought that you guys, the Rams were going to pick you. And so it very well could have been like, they're like, that's it. We lost Cooper to Jean because they were, they had you got, they had you circled. That's, that's a crazy sliding doors moment. Like that could have been a completely different career. You would have still been great, but you wouldn't have maybe won a Superbowl this year. Yeah. Yeah. It would, it would have been definitely would have been a lot different. Um, playing, um, out in, in LA and, um,

Obviously, they had a solid season this year, but not being able to win a Super Bowl would have been tough. I'm glad it happened the way it happened. Back then, I was pretty frustrated having to sit and wait that long, but I'm glad it happened the way it happened and

it all worked out. Now I'm a Superbowl champion. So yeah, it's pretty good. And you had a great rookie season too. Who was the hardest guy that you had to cover in the NFL so far? Um, good question. Thank you. Hardest guy I had to cover probably Puka Nakua from, from the Rams. He's, he's tough cover. Um, I think Jerry Judy's, he's a quick dude. Um,

Adam Thielen. Adam Thielen worked me. The week we played the Panthers, I learned a lot from that game. He's just a savvy veteran guy who gave me some good work. That was probably one of my tougher games going up against him. Yeah. So you also played, obviously, other sports in high school. You were a very good basketball player. Was there ever a time when you thought –

Hey, I might do basketball instead of football. I also, as an aside, I love whenever the internet finds out like, oh, Cooper Dajin was really good at basketball. It's like, yeah, he's in the NFL. He's an incredible athlete. I would expect him to also be good at other high school sports. But was there a moment where you were like, maybe basketball's the thing for me?

Yeah, I wanted to play basketball, actually. Coming into high school, I wanted to play basketball in college, but I'm not quite tall enough, and I'm kind of built more like a football player. And I kind of play basketball like I'm a football player. I play downhill and drive into the hoop and try to dunk on everybody. But I wanted to play basketball, but...

clearly football was the right decision. And I found that out after my sophomore year. Yeah. Started to pick up with football recruiting and stuff like that. But I still play basketball every once in a while, and it seems like

Seems like it's like every couple months my basketball highlights will just resurface on Twitter, social media somewhere. Yeah. They'll go away for a little bit and then they'll pile back up. Yeah. I mean, you –

I think it's partially Will Compton's fault, but you do carry a lot of weight for the all-white team that he has put together. It's like Cooper DeGene is a – you're a very important piece to the puzzle. Yeah. Yeah.

We need you. Me and Riley Moss. My boy Riley Moss. I'm out with you. Kind of shocked. I'm outside there. Because like two years ago when this debate first started to happen, it was like, well, what are we going to do at the outside? Like get Julian Edelman to come back and then have him play corner? And now we've got our – you guys are chess pieces out there. You're white rooks. Yeah, just –

Plug us in there, and we're ready to go. I love it. So I had a question for you about the parade because the parade looked like the best time ever. Who was the drunkest at the parade? Oh, jeez. I mean, there was – I'd probably have to say Nolan Smith. Yep. Nolan Smith or Q, Quinion Mitchell. One of those two guys, but I think Nolan probably takes the cake there. I mean, he couldn't even –

Dude couldn't even walk straight or stand up. Might have seen him throw up one time on the road there. But, yeah, it was probably Nolan. Yeah. Did you get hit by a can as well? Because I saw Howie Roseman got hit by a can. Yeah. I had this big-ass Bud Light chain around my neck.

And I went to – I was, like, throwing beer all over everybody in the crowd. And the chain came up and hit me.

Right in my eye, right above my eyebrow. So I got a little battle scar there. But it's all good. It's good for the memories. Yeah. When you saw Howie get the canned impression, the indentation in his forehead, were you like, all right, he's one of us. He's basically a football guy. Yeah, he took it like a champ. And he used it in his speech at the end of the parade, which was funny. Yeah.

I think he loved it, actually. Loved having the cut across his forehead from the parade. Yeah, it's a battle scar. It's great. We have a diehard Philly fan here, Max. Even though, I just want to say for the record, during games when you'd be catching punts, Max would freak out because he didn't think that you'd be able to feel the punts clean. That's not true. That is true. I get nervous of all punts. Punts have to be the highest percentage of turnover play.

I did drop one this year, but I didn't lose it. Don't even remember it. Don't even remember it. All right, Max, what do you got? What questions you got? All right, I have a couple here. First one, I can't believe we haven't gotten to it. Derrick Henry hit. How'd you do that? That didn't make any sense, but it was awesome.

Yeah. What were you feeling? I was just lucky that he didn't start running full speed before I got to him. Otherwise, it would have probably hurt even more. Luckily, I caught him right when he was turning around, and I was able to pick him up and put him to the ground there. But, I mean, that –

He wasn't even moving full speed, and that was... I mean, it still hurt me. I still felt it in my neck and my shoulder, so... But yeah, he's a big-ass dude. Big-ass dude, but luckily he wasn't going full speed. So right after that hit, you also did the big play, Selly, that kind of went off a little bit after that. Can you explain that? I don't... I've wanted to know what it is for a long time, and I don't get it. Um...

It's kind of more of an in-house. All right. That's fair. You're not in-house, Max. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. The world doesn't need to know. I don't need to know. Next thing.

You got fucked in the LeBron video. Does it pitch you off that, like, two weeks later, you probably would have been, like, the first person he went up to? Explain the LeBron video. The LeBron video. Everyone is sitting courtside. I think it's, like, you, AJ, Devontae, and you're at the end of the row. You can see that you're excited to give him a dap, and he just cuts you off right before it gets to you. Ah.

Yeah, it was tough. I'm a LeBron guy too. I'm a huge LeBron fan, so it was tough for me. But I didn't expect him to know who I was, to be honest. But now he would. I just had to be there, really, and open for a little love. But it's all good. Has he apologized to you for that yet? Has he reached out and been like, hey, my bad, respect? Not to me directly, but he posted something on Twitter

He commented under some post where someone asked me at the Super Bowl, I think, and apologized or said something about it. Never meet your heroes, I guess. No, that counts. That counts. You basically dapped him up then. He realizes it. It's an online dap up, yeah. Yeah. Any other questions, Max? One last one.

Do you event you played mostly nickel this year? Do you eventually want to like move outside or do you, are you comfortable in your role now in the defense? I, uh, I like playing nickel. I like playing inside, um, being around all the action. Um,

Hopefully, at some point, I can move to one of those every down positions, whether it's outside or whether it's safety, whatever it may be. I hope at some point I can do that and do both maybe because I like playing nickel. I like being involved in the run game and the screen game. I feel like that's a

that's a really important position in a defense and you can make a huge impact at that position. Max just shook his head. No, he said he doesn't want you to move to safety. Well, that's just the song, the song, the song says you're not a safety. So I, that would, that would ruin the song. Yeah, you're right. It would, it would ruin the song. Were you the emergency quarterback this year? I was not, I was not, that would have been, uh, I would have loved to do that though. That I was, uh,

I played a little offense in college, obviously played quarterback in high school. I miss slinging it around, especially, I mean, could you imagine just going out there and throwing it to AJ and Devontae and those guys, I mean, that we have on offense have been

It would have been crazy. Yeah, yeah. That would have been sweet, though. Maybe something to work up towards. Like, maybe two seasons from now, that's one of your goals, become emergency quarterback. Yeah, yeah. I have to talk to Coach Sirianni about that one. Yeah. What was the toughest place to play in the Big Ten? In the Big Ten? I mean, Nebraska. I wouldn't say it was –

I don't know how tough it was. It was just like really loud in there. Yeah. Um, um, at Nebraska gets pretty loud, but once, once you get up on them, it gets, it gets a pretty quiet in there. And that, that was us quite a bit of the time there when we were playing there. So, um,

I know Will will appreciate that answer there. But Nebraska, it's a fun place to play, especially in a rivalry game and especially when you're beating them. Yeah. What did your dad say to you after on the field? Because that was cool. Like it was cool seeing the – I saw the picture. You guys, everyone got to take pictures with their family and the Super Bowl trophy. It just seemed very –

like a really awesome moment to have your first touchdown in the Super Bowl and then your parents come down. What did he say? Was he like, I can't believe this happened? Yeah, he was – someone actually had taken a video of him in the stands when that touchdown happened. And like my dad had been my coach like since I was a little kid, so –

Like I'd never really seen him get overly excited about a play I made. He was always trying to, you know, keep me humble and things like that. So I saw the video and I'd never seen him get that excited before about a play I made. So that was pretty fun to watch.

And then, you know, getting to celebrate with him and my family down on the field after the game was really cool. Just having them experience that moment with me. You know, my dad and...

My parents, they both saw how disappointed I was on that first night of the draft. And especially my dad, he came up to me and told me, he said, you remember how disappointed you were on the first night of the draft and now look where you are. So that was a pretty cool moment there too. Yeah, that's a full circle moment. Did he say happy birthday? Yeah.

Yeah, it was your birthday too. Jesus. I know. That kind of took a back seat. Yeah. I think after we won the Super Bowl, it was more like you're a Super Bowl champion rather than happy birthday. You're 22 years old now. Yeah. Did you get any texts from anybody that just said happy birthday that didn't know that you were playing in the Super Bowl? I don't think I did. I don't think I did. I got quite a few, so there might be some that I missed, but

I don't think I did, which was good. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I got one last question. Roback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Roback.com. Promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com. Promo code TAKE. We're big, big Dom fans. When you got drafted, did he hit you up right away? He's like, listen, I got you, my paisan. Has he called you your – has he said your paisan yet?

No, he hasn't. Oh, no. He hasn't, but Big Dom is probably –

Probably the coolest dude you'll ever meet. Yeah. I saw you guys were with him at the Super Bowl, right? Yeah. He's the best. We came and interviewed Lane Johnson. He came and stopped by. And he always ends his texts to me, my paisan. I'm not Italian. But I appreciate it. I'm just honorary with him. He's one of the coolest dudes I've ever met. And he literally runs the city of Philadelphia. Yeah. Yeah.

It's great to know a guy like that. Yeah. What was his intro to you like? Did he describe like, hey, I'm Big Dom. This is what I do. This is my place.

I mean, kind of. He's got some – he brought me into his office, I remember, and was just telling me all kinds of crazy stories that he's heard or been a part of since he's been the security, head security for the Eagles. There's some crazy shit that he's –

he's done and he's, um, he's helped guys out with. So, uh, it's, it's good to have, have a guy like him on your team. He's good at what he does. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. Well, Cooper, uh, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Congrats again. Uh,

If you're ever in Chicago, come by the office. Check us out. And we're going to be in Philly for Grit Week, so we'll see you then. Yeah. Can't wait. Appreciate you guys. Thank you, Cooper. Thank you for your representation. Yes. Yeah. My four-year-old son, Chris, he used to think he could only be a quarterback or an offensive coordinator. Now he sees you, he's like, I can be a cornerback. Get him on the outside. Get him on the outside. All right. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate you guys.

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Kick us off? I got scammed earlier. What? On what? You got scammed? I'm usually pretty good at feeling them out, snuffing them out. Oh. But it was an easy pass. And, like, my easy pass, I tried to go through a tool recently. You got a text? And, like, I don't know if it was my balance was down or my card wasn't set up, but it didn't, like, it was going red. It wasn't letting me through. I had to pay cash. So I got a text that was, like, you know, pay your easy pass fee. Okay.

And I clicked it. The website looked like the real EasyPass website. Put in my information. Shout out Bank of America, though. They were on it. They called me right away and were like, someone's trying to take your credit card information. What's going on? Wait, what? How did this start?

It started like, I got a text that was like, pay your E-ZPass. Oh, a text. Pay your E-ZPass, whatever, balance. But he had happened to have just driven through a toll thing. But I recently had tried to go through, I have an E-ZPass, and it didn't let me through because of a balance thing. So I thought there was credibility to the text. Wow, so that's a smart scam. Yeah, and again, I get them a lot. Everyone gets them a lot, emails, phishing, whatever it is, and I'm,

I've never gotten got before and I got got today. Thankfully, again... How much did you pay?

It was like $7. I thought it was a one-time... They just stole your credit card, yeah. And they just stole my credit card. Damn. Dirty. So did you have to get a new one? Yeah, Bank of America was like... But they called me right away. They said, suspicious activity. Was this you? I told them. They were like, yeah, no, that's a scam. Card canceled. We'll send you a new one. Yeah, no free ads, but Bank of America is pretty good at that. They'll hit you up and be like, hey, I think this might be a fraud. Except when they do it when you're buying something totally normal. Like one time I shopped at L.O. Bean.

And Bank of America called me. And they were like, you're shopping for normal. They're like, sir, we detected. Wait, sir, you've never bought clothes in your life. Yeah, L.L. Bean? Yeah, we're detecting some highly suspicious behavior. Sir, you bought a sweater? It had buttons? Yeah, this is fraud. Hank, that's brutal. That's the worst feeling. Because you're like, you don't get got, and you get got.

That's not nice. That's not nice. Okay, back to the Tillys. That's not nice. So is there any way we can find or start Googling something, like find these guys? I'll Tilly these guys. I think they do this with everyone. I get them a lot. I get a lot with the emails. I get a lot of random texts. You have their number. They texted you, right? No, it was automated. It read like a... Automated. Yeah. Received or whatever. You can't call them back. Message received.

No. Damn. That's crazy. I'd fight these guys, Hank. Like, I'll meet these guys over the Dan Ryan Express Highway. I've driven that highway. Yeah. I'll go these guys. I've been on that highway before. All right. He knows where the highways are. I'll do some research.

So those guys are dead now because oldie's going to go after them. Yeah, these guys want to meet. Tell them to meet me at the Bean, no? Yeah. I'll go down to the Silver. I'll go down to that shiny old Bean down there. Come get your ass kicked at the Bean. Well, he's lucky he doesn't come to St. Patrick's Day and the water's green down here. Yeah. He wants to play around Big Dog style. Let's go. Come meet with the Big Dogs. Turn the river red. All right, PFT, your Fyre Fest? My Fyre Fest of the week is that there is an asteroid heading towards Earth. No.

Nah, just chill. It's scheduled to hit the planet potentially in 2032. And like three days ago, it was a 1% chance. Then a couple days later, it was 2%. What month? Then a couple days later, it was 3.1%. You know what I'll be doing in 2032? What?

What? Chillin'. What month, BFT, is very important? Let me look it up. I'm with you, Hank. Because it can't be during football season. So I agree with that. I think what I read was December, which would be so brutal if your team is good and you're gearing up for a playoff push and then Asteroid. This tells me this has brown Super Bowl run written all over it and then the Asteroid shows up. This ain't good. No. So now it's up to 3.1%. The browns?

Yeah, I mean, it would be a team that you wouldn't expect having an all-time season. He's taking this like it's fact right now. Oh, man. Oh, no. No, Pete, just chill. Get off the Google. Don't worry about it, brother. We got you. Just hang strong with the boys, dude. Exactly. Just chill out. We're with your buddies, dude. Just get off the Google, man. Hang with us for a couple minutes, dude. Yeah. That's facts. They said that it's going to hit either someplace in Africa, maybe someplace in South America. My money's on the water.

Yeah. That thing's going to hit the water. Absolutely. There's more water than land. Yeah, good point. We just send Bennington out there and just have him catch it. Glove saving. Yeah, glove saving. Shaboom, shaboom. Shaboom, shaboom. Glovey, got to go. Pick it up and go. Freeze the whistle. Freeze the whistle. Listen, Pete, don't worry about that stuff. You got to remember, these are what you're reading right now. Check your facts. Who are these pickle sticks? NASA. NASA?

It's massive. Come on, kick rocks, dude. These are some pickle stick behind the computer. These are like these Tommy Tough guys that run their mouth behind the computer and then they want to dance and then you show them, show up to the dance. Yeah. Earth's just got to show up to the dance. Show up to the dance and see if you want a salsa. You want a little side shuffle? Probably not. They're not showing up because they're sticking at home. They're trying to scare us. Crushing some soda pop, some bags of chips. You know what I mean? Fingers are greasy. Yeah.

hammering away on the computer. Oh, these guys, that's what's coming. They're never going to make it. Suck off, buddy. Suck right off. Oh, all right. My Fyre Fest is...

Great vacation, except for I had one moment. I was the hottest I've ever been gambling in college basketball. And I went down with friends, a few couples, and two of my friends decided to fade me when I was 16 and 4 in college basketball. And they faded me on a pick. I don't know.

I ended up winning, so I went to 17-4. But I think I'll probably... I told them straight up, I was like, if our friendship was 100%, it's 98% for the rest of our lives. Yeah, 2% loss. 2% loss. Not a lot, but it's big in the scale. That's big. That's an asteroid-sized loss. Yeah. That's big in the scale, because you said 1%, and now it's going up, supposedly. They did gain 1% back, but...

Because people seeing over my shoulder are probably wondering what the fuck this is. My friends gave me a gift for my 40th birthday. Wicked. It is the day I was born, January 30th, 1985. Happened to be also Dan Marino's wedding day. So they got me a picture from Dan Marino's wedding day. That is so incredible right there. So I have good friends, but they did fade me. So we lost a little bit of friendship. Yeah, Dan Marino. His first wife. His first wife. I know.

Finkel is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkel. Yeah. How many wives does he have? Only one. But it is his first wife. Was she covering her face like kind of being embarrassed like he never did it? I don't know. I don't know.

Like, what happened there in Miami? Like, I don't want to bring it up, Dan, Mr. Marino. Lace is out. He knows. He knows lace is out. I'm embarrassed to be seen marrying this guy who can't win the big one. Can't win the big one. Like, he can't do it. Like, how many opportunities has he got to go to the dance and not show up? This is the only ring he'll ever get? Yeah. Oh.

That's why he knows Lace is out. Yeah, yeah. But so I got 1% back, so 99%. But yeah, you can't. I was on an all-time heater, and they were asking for my picks. They were like, give me your picks. I gave them my picks, and then they faded one of them. I can't ask for picks.

and then faded. I could tell Big Cat was actually mad about this. I was. Because I went downstairs in this casino, and I walked past their table where they were playing. I think you guys were playing roulette at the time. Roulette, yeah, yeah. Great game. Great casino game. Said what's up to the crew, and then Big Cat saw me, and the first thing he said to me was, PFT. PFT.

What would you rate this as a friend move if you're hot at gambling and then one of your friends fades you? And then his friends got very defensive about it. I could tell Big Kelly's actually mad. Yeah, I was right, though. 16-4. And they asked for my picks.

And then they fade. Listen, if someone fades me, just... I would never. No, but Hank, you don't... When we're on the opposite side, it's not because you're asking for picks. We bet the opposite side. That's totally different. It's like, when you ask, like, can you give me your pick? Yes. And then just go the exact opposite? If you were 16 and 4... You would fade me? Yes. Well, I went to 17 and 4. Wow. They missed out. You got to understand, though, Kat, where my boy Hank is coming from. Like, think about it. Oh, he's a troll.

Yeah, but you're 16 and 4, bro. You're breaker point at 500, dude. You're like skeptical. But ride the wave. Are you going to show up to the date? I love this guy. Max, just stay on vacation. Hold on, Oldie. But here, more context. They took the 16 and 4 picks. Like, they were riding with me. So they had already won money. They were trying to time the market. Yeah, you can't do that. Like, they had already cashed. They were riding your coattails. They were riding my coattails. And they're like, ah, we're getting off right here. No, no, no, no. Oh.

You got to stay on. So they wanted to do the old, oh, I'll bet you. Yeah. You lose. Yeah. And then you try to re-bet. And the guy says, no, no, no. I don't want to bet. Yeah. What do you mean you don't want to bet? Exactly. But they did make it back with the damn Reno. It's a good picture. We need to get it signed. Well, you know what? At first, I was not happy with them. But they're back in my books. Yeah. All right. Good. They're back at 99. So, Oldie, do you have a Firefest?

Oh, man. What do I got this week? What do I got this week? It's been a long heck of a week. I've been bumping and grinding with the snowplow like 14 days straight. I do have a question about that, about leaving work. So you're coming down here to watch the game with us. Come on the podcast. This is his show now. And what did you tell your boss? I said I got PFT coming in cat on my show. And...

And you know what I mean? Hank's going to be there, but I mean, I got to go. I got stuff to do with the boys. Yeah. So my shift's 7 to 3.30, and I looked at him about 3.12, 3.14. Said, Henry, I'm not here tomorrow or Friday. I got a phone call. I got to go. What do you mean, Nico? What do you mean? I got to go. I'm out of here, bud. No problem, Ryan. No problem. Just write it down. Beauty. My boss at work, actual beaut. Okay.

Oh yeah, he's beaut. I basically, I think it's kind of good for him cause I'm not there. So it's kind of like a pro. He's like, yo, this is awesome. Okay, wait, the kid's gone. We're having a, so I took off a couple of Fridays ago cause my, uh, I had to go Friday. I think it went somewhere and, uh, obviously I went somewhere, right? Cause I wasn't there. Think about it.

So I said, I got to go. I'm out of here. And he's like, well, all right, guys, by the way, pizza party Friday. Cause he knew the kid wasn't in. What a move. And I said, enjoy boys. Enjoy the pizza. Your boy's out. I'm going ice fishing. I'm out of here. Got to go. Okay. So it was ice fishing. Oh, so that, that was a couple of weeks ago, but that was the worst. The boys, we caught nine fit. The boys caught nine fish.

Had the biggest fish in Lake Nipissing on my line my buddies on the sonar watching it. Oh, oh He sees the fish coming across the line. Oh, and I'm trolling I'm just dipping dipping dipping and dunking dipping and dunking with my rod Shablam's he hits me

wing, the rod down goes right away. Brady would have loved this story, but he just catches 3.4 bassers. So my rod is wheeled. Yeah, it's wheeled right down. Wing, and I'm cranking, cranking, cranking.

Bing! Right up in the air. No, no, I lost it. The biggest fish in Lake Nipissing and way up north at Du Bois. Devastating. What a life you have. That's your fire fest. That's your fire fest. Yeah, it was terrible. But I had a hoot with Du Bois, though. We had a blast out there. We were in an ice fishing cabin on the lake. I drove my truck right into the lake. Wow. Left of there, two-day banger with me and the boys. My bro ski. Oh, yeah, it was awesome. That's incredible. It was awesome.

It was great. What's the sleeping situation like in there? Oh, so check this. It's like six man are in there. We got a propane tank. We got a little stove. We got a little jug thing of water. So we're sleeping on the bottom bunk. You know the kid's a big boy out there, so we're calling bottom. No one wants to die from the top end, right? Yeah. So we're in the bottom bunk. One of the guys stayed in the top, and he wasn't feeling good. It was hot as shit up there, right? Because the heat rises. Yeah. So the next day, the guy's like...

We went. He slapped upstairs. And about an hour and a half in, he started feeling like shit. He went outside, puke rallied shit outside. A little shitter outside. There's an outdoor shitter. So he went and did a shit puke rally. And I could hear him from the inside of the cabin. It's a 10 by 20 little shack. And he's in a three by three shitter. He's got to walk out of the front to the backside and go to the three by three. So he's in there and you just hear the puke rally. Yeah.

Everything. And I go, Jake, are you all right, my guy? He said, oh, I don't feel good. I got poisoning. So I said, okay. He came back in. I felt bad. So I said, I'll go in the top bunk. You ride the bottom bunk, eh?

And about an hour into my shift upstairs, I am sweaty sack balls. You think the pocket pussy was something. I was juicy up there, boys. I had to get out of the shack. I went to the truck, fired her up at about 1 o'clock, 1.30. And I slept in the truck. I hear a knock on the window, 5.30 in the morning. Oldie, oldie. Yeah, what's up, bud?

How long you been in the truck for? A couple hours. Holy shit, it's hot in the room, eh? I said, yeah, yeah, I'm okay. Shut her off, went back in, banging with the boys, baking an X. Baking an X by 630. That's awesome. All right, that was a great Fyre Fest. Yep. Oldie, you're the best, man. I don't think this is the last we'll hear from you. All right, last thing we do, Oldie.

So there's a lottery ball machine. So we have this. We've done this for five years now. Going on five years. All right. Meme sitting next to you has never gotten it. He's never gotten it.

Pretty insane. But you can guess any number, Oldie, from 1 to 100. We'll let you go first, so you just guess, and then we're all going to guess numbers. I've never gotten it. Oh, man. Really? Yeah. That's a long ride, dude. Five years and one of 100? Never banged it. Some say it's more impressive to not get it.

They get all... Oh, this is like winning the lottery, like getting struck by lightning instead of winning the lottery. No, they get it all the time. It's so easy. No, it's like when people that win the lottery say that it's actually bad, but you'd much rather win the lottery. That's just bullshit on the inside here. We're just moved up right now. You don't win anything. Right. Well, my favorite move is stand-up 69 with me on the opposite end, on the backside. So, you know...

Like, who doesn't love that upside down? You're just hanging away. Right? But, I mean, also, I'm number four guy. That's a big number for me. Like, I'm all about number four. So are you going four or 69? I think I got a good five on the stand-up 69 right now, but I got to go back to home base, I think, sometimes, the four banger. Okay, so you're going four. We got to go four banger, yeah. All right. Everyone else? I'll go 69. I'll go 44. I'll go three. I like it. I'll go 99.

No, actually, I'll go 40. 40, all right. I'll go 100, Pug. Oh, Pug, I didn't see you in there. You get a 99. Oh, okay. I give you 99. I didn't see you. No, no, no. It's yours. I will take 66. I'll take 99, Pug. Also, watch PMTV to watch all the behind the scenes. Of oldie, yeah. Incredible. A lot of good stuff. Yeah. 44.

71. Alright, here we go. This is exciting. This is like, this is a bubbler in the stomach. Come on, four banger. Show the boys what's up. Let's do this. What a memes pack. Alright.

61. Oh, thank God. 61. My boy Rick Nash, how do you do? That's his number? That's my boy's number, absolutely. How are you not picking 61? Come on, Oli. My boy just popped up. Are you kidding me right now? How do you not pick that? I should have said Nasher. You know why I should have said Nasher? Because the 2010 gold medal, 2014 gold medal Olympics, tonight...

All-star break, according to some. But as we know, as a broadcast, four nations on ESPN Live. It was buggers. He was FaceTiming Rick Nash, who he's been childhood friends with. And Rick Nash said that he has gotten more texts today than when he won the gold medal.

Because everyone's like, what the hell is Oldie doing at the barstool offices? Like, what is happening? This is beautiful. Love it. All right. Thank you, Oldie. Thank you, Oldie. Thanks, Oldie. Love you guys. Love you.

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