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Win Hearts, Then Minds + Your Questions Answered on Identity and "Covering"

2025/6/23
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Shankar Vedantam: 在日常生活中，我们通常通过沟通解决问题，但在社交媒体上，争端往往演变成无意义的争吵。通过真实的沟通，邻里之间可以建立友谊和互助。社交媒体上的争论往往导致双方互相指责，但实际上是在对不同的群体喊话，加剧了分歧。社交媒体上的“互动”实际上导致了疏远。当人们的价值观不同时，我们很难容忍他们，常常认为他们是封闭、不合逻辑或不道德的。 Rob Willer: 很高兴来到Hidden Brain。我小时候从堪萨斯搬到南卡罗来纳，经历了一次文化冲击。南卡罗来纳与我之前的生活环境截然不同。我对在那里学到的南北战争历史感到震惊。我经常与周围的人发生争论。我会争辩说邦联旗帜应该被移除，因为它象征着种族主义。安迪则认为邦联旗帜是他们历史的象征。我从未说服安迪或任何其他与我辩论过这个问题的人。我过去认为有效的辩论方式是在事实上和逻辑上取胜。在辩论中，激情可以加分，但在说服对方时却作用不大。我在高中辩论中不断练习如何热情地表达自己的观点，但很少练习理解别人的观点。高中毕业时，我在理解他人观点方面仍处于起步阶段。

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The episode starts by contrasting a simple neighborhood dispute with online arguments, highlighting how social media exacerbates disagreements. It then introduces Rob Willer, who studies persuasion, and recounts his personal experiences of conflict, emphasizing the ineffectiveness of forceful arguments. The importance of perspective-taking is highlighted as a crucial first step towards effective communication.
  • Social media often turns disagreements into shouting matches, hindering communication.
  • Forceful arguments are ineffective in persuading opponents.
  • Taking another person's perspective is crucial for effective communication.

Shownotes Transcript

There’s a saying that’s attributed to the Dalai Lama: in the practice of tolerance, one’s enemy is the best teacher. It’s a nice idea. But when people don’t share our values, it’s hard for us to tolerate theirs. This week, we bring you a favorite episode with sociologist Robb Willer.) We discuss the common mistakes we make in trying to persuade others of our point of view — and how to break out of our echo chambers. Then, Kenji Yoshino answers your questions about how we hide our true selves.

In this week’s show, you’ll learn:

*What’s happening in our minds when we’re trying to win an argument.

*Techniques for how to take another person’s perspective — and how to become more effective in persuading them of *your *perspective.

*The most successful protest tactics in winning allies.

*Why we might shift from trying to change someone’s mind to trying to change their behavior.

*If you love Hidden Brain, come see Shankar live in a city near you this summer! For more info and tickets to our “Perceptions” tour, visit *https://hiddenbrain.org/tour/)