Giggling about the dancer cult, bad vegan, and Elizabeth Holmes
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I mean, the day just got away from me. What's up, my giggly grandmas? That's how I feel. It's Monday. Wow, I was so close to guessing it, because you know how I guess it every time? Like, try and guess what you're going to... What were you thinking? Giggly gals? I don't know. Kind of close to grandma. I just envisioned us in 50 years being like, apparently. I think it's because I'm wearing a robe that, like, it looks so grandma-ish.

You look like you just need a cigar and a scotch and you're like back in my day. I just showered for the first time in like three days. Obsessed with that. We have... Okay, you guys, I have watched so much good TV to catch up on. We have so much front page news and we have like life updates. What a wild episode we're about to have. Strap in. Seriously, buckle up. You were in a wedding. Oh my God. Okay, so remember...

How I was like, oh, I don't know anyone. It's going to be so weird. Like, I hate doing this. I had probably the best time I've ever had at a wedding. I had so much fun. Yeah. Craig's college girlfriends. I mean, they're all like married and have children. So like they were out for the night. They're going off. Yeah, they were going off. So we had so much fun. And then as much as like I want Giggly Squad to be like a pyramid scheme and a cult. Yeah.

which it pretty much is, I realized at the wedding, it's actually an underground society, like a secret society. Oh, fully. Because I was walking to the bathroom at one point and one of the waitresses was just like, huge Giggly Squad fan, like in passing. And it was, I was like, thank you so much. Those are my favorites. Like when you're in the elevator and they're like, Giggler here. Love your work. Hello, Giggler. Handmaid's Tale. Yeah. Yeah.

Do you know how they greet each other? No, what do they say? I stopped watching it because it felt too creepy and real. Blessed be the fruit under his eye. No, literally we have to come up with something that when you know someone else is a giggler. Because I was fully ready to whip out a secret handshake. Yep, yep. Blessed be the pear. That's a throwback.

Let's be the pair. And then two girls came up to me that were like guests at the wedding. And I talked to them for like the longest time ever. I mean, I was so hammered. I don't know what we even talked about. We talked about like having babies or something crazy. No, Giggly Squad is fully like we've lost control in the best way possible. Like we've done reality TV. We've done like a lot of things. I've never had the kind of reaction with Giggly Squad. I, oh my God.

Craig and I flew, when we flew home from Mexico, it was like one of definitely top three worst flying experiences I've ever had. Like I almost started crying. Like I had a full panic attack. I ripped my mask off because I couldn't, I literally was like dry heaving. And he was like, you have to calm down. Like you have to figure it out. And it was like, you ever- Why are you acting, you know he put his headphones in and he was ignoring you.

He literally shut his eyes and like let me squeeze his hand and I was like, thanks for not leaving me for dead this time. You were like, does anyone know this woman? She needs help. Can someone help her? I am Mrs. Iglesia. Hilaria. I thought you were talking

Oh, I kind of like finish it. Yeah, then I started to get nervous. We also fly, like I fly every week. Yeah, you do. And I am getting of that age where my lower back is killing me for no reason. I was in a middle seat. Oh, Lord have mercy. I was done for four days.

I had a hunch. I was the hunchback of Notre Dame. The middle seats are the worst. Unless like, you know, the people you're flat like. No, I don't care how much I like you. I don't want to sit in between you. No, I got it. I, okay. I have a great airport story.

I was we were flying back from Mexico and we were in the like clear line and we're like doing like the thing, whatever. And the lady that was helping me looks at me and she goes like whispers that she's like and Craig is like at the next like station next to me doing his. And she's like, are you a minor?

And like, I didn't know, like, it was like, I didn't know English. I was like, what? Oh, what? And she was like, how old are you? And I was like, I'm 29. And she like looked at me like I was lying. And I was like, I don't know. She's like, oh, and then she goes, then she goes, how old is he? And I was like, 34. And I think she legitimately thought that Craig was sex trafficking me. Because when we walked up,

Craig is like so much taller than me, but my arms are so long that like I actually have never been able to like hold hands with a boyfriend ever because we just we don't line up. Like it's just not going to line up. I can't like bend my wrist that way. So he ends up just like holding my wrist because that's like the most comfortable and I actually like enjoy that more. So walking up. That looks so controlling. That's controlling. Yeah.

It looked like he was just, like, holding me, like, you stay here. And I had, like, a pink baseball hat on and, like, a white sweatsuit. And, like, no makeup. No makeup. And she was like, how old is he? And I was like, uh, I think he's, like, 34. And then he walked over and she was like, sorry, you just look so young. And then I was like, oh, my God, thank you so much. I do use an eye cream. Yeah.

Do you realize that is hilarious? Because, yeah, once I took a story of Des, like, just had his hand on my forearm and I was like, is this cute or controlling? Yeah, like, cute. Yeah, that's like their thing. Forearm controlling. Cute or controlling. Fingers cute. It's like when you're flirting with a guy, if you touch his shoulder, you're not flirting. You touch his elbow, you want to fuck. Interesting.

See, I think, I think like if you're flirting with a guy and you like touch right here, like between the shoulder and the elbow, you're trying to bang. Yeah, that's sexual. That's sexual. But shoulder is not. Yeah. Okay. I could see that. If you get on the shoulder, that's like, bro. I don't know if I've ever touched a guy's elbow though.

Elbow area. Just out here squeezing elbows. You just pull the little foreskin on the elbow and you just flick it. You just give him a wet willy and then he knows it's on.

By the way, that clear story happened exactly to me, except not because Des was holding my forearm. It's because Des has gray hair and I was wearing no makeup. And she goes, are you a minor? And Des was laughing so fucking hard. And they always go, how old is your daughter? And shit like that. Oh my God. And it's so funny. And then I'm like, can you pay for this? Yeah, I love that.

Okay. I have to talk about something that kept me up until 3 a.m. last night. I'm not proud of it. Okay. But there's something happening on social media that we have to talk about. There's a girl who's a dancer. She used to have 3 million followers with her sister on TikTok. Mm-hmm. Who her family recently went on TikTok and said, our sister got married to this man who's in this like dance company. Okay. Who's part of a church. Yeah.

And she hasn't spoken to us in almost a year. And they got married and didn't invite us. And we think she's part of a cult. Hannah, this is your dream. So you know. I was about to don't fuck with cats this shit. I was about to get like multiple screens. But this girl then came out with just like writing on TikTok being like, I am not in a cult, which is what they always say. Classic cult. Classic cult. Classic cult behavior. Classic cult behavior.

But she did say like, I got in a fight with my sister and like, they're not supportive of me. And like, how old are they? 20s, early 20s. Okay. But she is part of this church. And then other people said other dancers have cut off contact with their family. And,

But the thing is, I looked into it. I don't know. But then she just goes on live. And someone kept being like, raise your hand if you need help. And she awkwardly raised her hand. But these are all kind of conspiracy theory things. I love conspiracy theories. Her name is Miranda Derrick. And the interesting thing about it is they're big dancers. She has 800,000 followers. And she cut it off with her sister. But then people are like, why is she writing on TikTok that she's not in a cults?

Why doesn't she just say it? And then her and her sister, when they broke up, the sister was just like, oh, she's made like other choices. Like the whole thing is just like super. Wow. I can't wait to deep dive. We have to deep dive. It's called 7M Films. And then people talk about how the dance community is culty overall. So we're taking down the whole dance community. And this is a thing. And I want you guys to look into it. It's Miranda Derrick.

This is why I've never danced. Yeah, dancing's dangerous for so many reasons. And, like, we're just also not good at it. So that's me justifying it. And, like, you guys are a cult. I'm gonna be honest. I have no memory of ever seeing you dance. I've never danced. And I don't dance. But, like, I know you do dance. I just don't have a memory of it.

Okay, this is another thing at the wedding. Craig and I are so awkward sometimes when we're like... Like a slow song came on and normally couples start dancing and we looked at each other and we're like, losers. And we're like, let's go to the bar. But I think we danced for literally two seconds and we were like, this is just so not us. Let's go take a shot or something. Yeah.

I just, I can't dance when people are telling me to dance. You're just a rebel with a cause, you know? Yeah, I'm just like not, I have to be so drunk to like bust out a move. But other than that, I'm just, I'm not a dancer.

So my future husband loves dancing. Wow. He he was on Dancing with the Stars Ireland. Oh, right. Oh, right. You can YouTube it if you want to have some fun with that. He was let's just say he was so committed. He still talks about like the best time of his life.

He did great and we're proud of him. However, at Daniel Jeannie's wedding, we were like dancing on concrete and he was like, this is hurting my knees. We have to stop. And I was like, that's what happens when you're with a zaddy. And we love that for him. You can't accumulate wealth over a short period of time. Craig has like one move and his love language is words of affirmation. So like every time he does that, I'm just like, oh.

god it's so good but he literally is that meme when like a child is like oh my god watch me and he does like one jump and it just like wastes my fucking time and look what i could do yeah he like does like one spin move and i'm just like i have things to do like are you getting better at words of affirmation because i feel like that doesn't come naturally to you it doesn't you literally like have never even told your dog that it's cute so it's like it's hard for me to envision this

I feel like you said a reminder on your phone, like, tell Craig he's amazing. Tell him that I still like him. No, actually, he said I am getting better. My thing is Des and I are so sarcastic that we have trouble. Yeah, and Craig is like, Craig can take a certain amount of sarcasm and like, I'm like, no, I do really like you. And he's like, you don't act like it sometimes.

So there's like a meter and sometimes I go right over the line. If you were too nice to me, I'd be like, I'd be like, OK, you fake bitch. I turned a fake two face bitch. I said something the other day to him that was like so mean that like right when it came out of my mouth, I was like, I'm sorry. So I know I talked about Diet Coke and how like I posted a video about the Diet Coke addiction that no one talks about. Yeah.

And you wrote hate. Agree? I fucking hate Diet Coke. People, no one's ever ordered just one Diet Coke. They order like 17,000 Diet Cokes. I just feel like if you're going to drink the soda and I have like such a soda addiction, if you're going to drink it. Drink it for real. Yeah. Don't try and be like the skinny version of it. So annoying. It's like ordering a skinny Mark. Like just do it. You're already halfway there. Just fucking finish it.

But people be like, there's no calories in it. There are, though. I don't believe that. You think they're just lying? Yeah, they're straight up lying. Like, there's no way you're drinking the sugary. And I'm like, then what? What's in it then? Because it's probably worse than both those things. I said, I said, heroin has no sugar or calories. That's not great. No. And also soda is like the worst thing you can put in your body. And I have one Coca-Cola a day.

Do you really? Keeps you going. It's like your coffee. Yeah, I fucking love Coca-Cola. You are just the epitome of balance. And I don't want to get your head big, but... Am I? I mean, I just do skin routines and then like eat Burger King. Eat bad food. I'm like, why am I breaking out? Now that I fixed my pimples, I'm going to give myself more pimples. But I feel like you're always testing. I also have been addicted to getting a vanilla...

latte from starbucks okay but i get the like cold foam on top because i thought it was just like foam and then i realized like it's fully whipped cream and they just call it foam and then i realized i've been just like snorting whipped cream to the face for like three weeks and i was wondering why i was like feeling gassy all the time then i was like you're supposed to be dairy free boom i didn't know it

Starbucks is so fucking annoying. Call it what it is. Stop speaking your own language like you're better than people. Starbucks is also so fucking fattening. Like, I don't get sugar in my coffee anymore because I'm just like, I have other things to eat. My mom was like, you're drinking a milkshake every morning. And I was like, no, literally. Not that it's bad to drink a milkshake. Just I thought I was being the epitome of health, getting cold foam on my latte. Like literally epitome of health. And I was getting the venti. Literally.

Just picturing you like walking in and ordering at Starbucks. And I don't know why it makes me laugh so hard. The woman was like, Jesus Christ. Okay, next. I've been dying to talk about this because I know that you love a fucking...

Surgery Like people changing their faces And you just I know what you're about to say And I've been waiting for this moment This is kind of like part of front page news Bella Hadid like admitted To some of her Not all but One percent Admitted to some of her plastic surgery And said she regrets getting a nose job At 14 years old Before we even start talking about this

How come Yolanda Hadid has not been put into like psychiatric therapy? Because at 14 years old, that's fucking insane. So not to like...

I'm trying to understand Yolanda because I come from like a sports family where like my family sent me to a tennis academy at 14. That's fucking crazy. But that's just like what you did. They're a professional modeling family. So I feel like she was like, OK, ugly duckling, you better fix yourself because all we got is being pretty like they're only I mean, and Bella Hadid said she felt like she was the ugly sister or whatever. And then they have all those clips of

Yolanda telling Gigi like not to eat things and Gigi's like can I have cake on my birthday and she's like Gigi you know that's not good for you yeah I will no okay less than that eat it but then um like don't eat it don't eat it just smell it smell it and then blow your nose there is a clip there's a clip from housewives that has haunted me to this day Gigi is like getting ready for a photo shoot and

And Yolanda's asking her about the photo shoot or something. And Gigi says, I'm just so excited for the food that I'm going to eat after this. And it makes me so uncomfortable because I get fucking pumped up when I know there's a good meal coming my way. But like,

I just couldn't like relate to it. Like my mom thinks that I don't eat like my dad will call me on a daily basis and be like, when's the last time you had steak? And I'm like, what? I don't know. This is based on like a career thing that happens to be like a bigger issue with the industry. Yeah. If you want to be a model, you have to be skinny. It's like if you want to be a wrestler, you have to be a certain weight. Like the wrestlers at Wisconsin would literally eat anything.

watermelon for three days to hit a weight it's fucked up but it was like part of the industry and you know anyway when you're 14 your face is not fully formed wow now i'm craving watermelon no you're not even fully like your face is still changing i had too much acne to even know what my face looked like at 14 i mean that had to have been also just like the psychological

implications of like because at 14 you're not calling and making the appointment and you're not like paying for it so that was like directly her mom being like let's do this and I couldn't imagine my mom saying anything other than I'm stunning gorgeous perfect beautiful like I don't want to be mad at Bella because she's such a victim of society but it's also like why did you feel like

Like you were that ashamed that you want to lie about your face. And what sucks is that she was hurt, but then you're hurting other women who are looking at your face and thinking that's how they should look when you've had thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars work on your face. I just don't get not admitting it. Yeah. I think because she's ashamed and she regrets the work she got done at such an early age.

Also lately, honestly, I'm annoyed at Kim too. Why? Oh my God. Why? Her body. You just think it looks so weird. Well, when you speak of someone outside the industry, like it was like one of my mom's friends went up to me and she was like, what's with Kim Kardashian's body? Why does it look like that?

And I was like, oh, it's fake. She was like, what? And then like we just take it for granted. Like that's her body. But like the world is looking at it being like. And I love that they've helped change the idea of beauty to not be like stick skinny, that there's a range. And I love that for them. But their curves are not attainable either. Not at all. Not at all. How do you have an ass that fat with thighs that little and no poot?

Yeah, no. You need to have a little stomach. A little stomach makes your ass better. It's negatively affecting women's brains. Sorry. I shouldn't apologize. I'm not apologizing. Don't apologize. And also, I feel like it's being with, like, a partner that, like, I feel like even if you don't want to admit it, like, whoever you're dating at the time really does impact you.

What you think about yourself. And like it shouldn't. But like it's inevitable. Like it does. And I've had boyfriends before. Where I've hated. My entire body. My entire face. Like what my hair looks like. And then you get into a relationship. Where like they think you are. The most perfect human being ever. The cat's pajamas. Literally the cat's pajamas. And like I feel like her being with Pete. I feel like maybe some of that is going to change. Yeah.

Your person's a mirror for you. And she even said that Kanye was dressing her and stuff. And I do have to make a statement on Gayly Squad. Kanye needs to fucking stop. I mean... Kanye, this is abuse. This is...

I think that it's like narcissistic control behavior. She wants out of the relationship. Leave her the fuck alone. It's also just like terrifying. Like I always say this too, you know, when you see a couple that like fights in public that like anytime I see a couple fighting in public, I mean, obviously I'm watching, I'm picking sides. I'm like getting the tea, but I then get immediately. You're playing leave, get out by JoJo. Yeah.

But then I immediately get sad because I'm like, damn, if they feel comfortable enough to do this in front of other people or like we're sitting at like a dinner table and like I can hear you from my dinner table. I can't imagine what it's like being in the confines of like your home together. Oh, well, I think it was Bethany Franco's talking out about this a lot. And she said, yeah.

That Kim's going to come out with like a story, like a book one day being like, this is what it was really like to be in that relationship. And what, yeah, what he's doing is a guy who's lost control of the woman. Yep. And it sucks and it hurts. And I know he's heartbreaking. I know he's suffering from a lot of things, but, um, it's, this is why women are afraid to leave. Right. Yeah.

This is why women are scared of getting out of certain relationships. Because you'd rather just stay in it than deal with this shit. How about Pete texting him? Pete isn't scared of anyone. Anyone. Pete's from New York. Yep. And Pete...

Like lost his dad at a young age Pete deals with his own fucking depression Pete has nothing to lose I mean I'm gonna be here Him sending the picture and being like in bed with your wife I lost my mind Savage Savage What other front page news do you have Before we get into all the shit we're watching That's it

Easy peasy. You wrote, this is a Pamela Anderson Stan podcast. This is a Pamela Anderson Stan podcast, and I... This is a Garth Brooks and Pam Anderson Stan podcast. I finished Pam and Tommy. I like it at first, right? I didn't like it at... I thought, okay... I thought the acting was, like, okay. And I was really just watching because I loved watching Lily James, like...

I just was obsessed with all of her looks. I have a crush on Stan Sebastian or whatever the fuck that guy's name is. I do too now. And I know there's probably so much more volatile things that happen in their relationship. So I don't want to glorify that they did definitely have some sort of toxic relationship. But I genuinely think they would have stayed together if the sex tape wasn't as huge as it was.

And he never really understood how it impacted her so much differently because she is a woman. Like, I don't think she could get past that. He couldn't understand that it really is so different. And she's so fucking nice. She was so like wanted to just like be an actress and like have this career. And this sex tape literally just ruined her. And to think that like someone stole it.

And put it out because they were mad at Tommy Lee. And, like, it just impacted her. Like, it was just such dominoes of karma. And I just fucking love her. And when she comes out with her show or if she does anything, like, I love her. And then I was Googling her. Like, all of her relationships, like, have never really worked out. I just felt bad because I feel like she was just, like, a normal girl from Canada who happened to be smoking fucking hot. Yeah. Yeah.

So sweet. This is our mental health moment. I learned about it on TikTok. One of the top things that cause issues in relationships is when you don't acknowledge your partner's feelings. Yes. Yes. Because in relationships, you can't, you have your feelings, they have their feelings, and sometimes they just want to be heard. Yeah. And in this particular situation, she wasn't mad that Tommy couldn't fix it. She was mad that Tommy couldn't like,

at least empathize with her. But also this was back in the fucking 90s where even though that's when we were born, it was such a different time where they literally were like this. I mean, look at Kim. Look at Kim. She made a billion dollar company off of it. She's the most famous person in the world. Pamela was ended. She's whole career was ended because of it. To what is the word to piggyback off of that mental health moment?

I saw this thing. I don't know where it was. It was either on like TikTok or Instagram, you know, one of like the news stations, one of the social media news. And they did a study with couples that like acknowledging the small things in a relationship are what make couples last. So like if you're driving in the car with your boyfriend, husband, fiance, whatever, you're

And he says, oh my God, look at this bird. And you just like happen, like you look and you acknowledge what he's like talking about. Yes. And they stay together longer than people who just like are just like, yeah, okay. Like even though it's like a stupid little thing. So I like actively all the time when Craig says like dumb shit, I'm just like, oh my God, what? There's nothing more empty feeling than when you say something little and someone doesn't acknowledge it. Right. It's like you're not there. And also.

And all a relationship is being there for someone. And I totally... Solve their problems. I totally understand the, like... If you're in a relationship with someone, like, that is your best friend. That is who you tell everything to. You talk about everything with them. So, like, if you're feeling depressed or anxious, I don't want you to, like, give me a solution. I want you to let me, like, vent and be like, I totally got it. You want to feel safe in your feelings. Yeah. And it's just...

people that are like fixers all the time they mean well but it's like no just listen to me complain about this bitch and then like agree with it and then I can move on too but it also is crazy that's how sometimes an external event in your relationship that you guys can't handle well together can hurt it so bad but I do think when you're meant to be like that external stuff can't break you but they do say that they were like they're always like still in love with each other

I know which kind of sucks for Tommy Lee's current wife she's not happy I mean I wouldn't be happy either but I don't like I think because they did try and like rekindle yeah and then something happened with their son and Tommy Lee and Pamela is like so for her kids like she's like I don't give a shit and

I do think that you can have like a great love in your life that you will never forget and you love that relationship and you love that person. But you like get older, you're in a different stage, like you think about things differently and it just wouldn't work out. But that doesn't mean that that person wasn't like a great love of your life. I also think they loved partying together. Yeah, a lot.

And he was into drugs and all that stuff. And it's not easy when there's all that external shit. And also like fame is hard. And there was that crazy scene where they're just trying to like get a hotel room. Yeah. And it was,

It was it. It was scary. Yeah, it was really scary. And you just felt like she was already so exposed and so violated and like there was just no freedom for her. But yeah, we highly recommend Pam and Tommy on Hulu. OK, I did go crazy one night and I you guys have been asking for a list of dope documentaries. I attempted to put one together. I saw that on Instagram. I was like, she just put in so much work.

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Let's begin because I've been watching a lot of shit. Did you watch The Dropout? Yeah. Well, I'm on episode four. The Dropout with you wrote. I have so much to say. I watched this documentary when I came out. You need to watch the actual documentary. I watched it on HBO. Can I do my Elizabeth Holmes impression? I would love if you did.

Okay, my name is Elizabeth Holmes. And I did go to Stanford for a year and I'm smarter than everyone. And I'm going to create something that's going to change the world. And I am having an affair. First of all, that was spot on. Second of all, her voice is fake. Yeah, that's the funniest thing about it. That's the crazy part. Are you not impressed with Amanda Seyfried? I am very impressed by her. Seyfried? Seyfried? Are we not impressed? Amanda Seyfried?

I am very impressed now let's go I'm not gonna lie the first episode I was like I don't know if I believe her in this role but I'm gonna give it a shot by episode three I was like she is Elizabeth whenever I see her I just think she's about it's about to rain she's gonna touch her tit and be like there's a 70 chance it's already raining

Oh my god, that is her. I see when I look at her, I always think she's about to cry. Or she's going to sing in Mia Mama, Mia Mama Mia. What's going on with your words today? Words are fucking hard. Okay, so give me your first initial thoughts. I was skeptical because I watched the documentary and

And it was so good because you actually learned more than the documentary about some of her like inner relationships and how things got started and how people really felt about her. And this is like scam artist day on Giggly Squad because this is just the beginning of it. But hers is a thin line between scam artist and like being obsessed with being successful and not.

Yeah, people's obsession with success. So it's less, it's more self-hate versus wanting to hurt other people. Where like Anna Delvey was similar, but like was blatantly hurting other people. But Elizabeth Holm blatantly hurt other people when her product, if her product isn't working, the healthcare doesn't do its job, but then people die.

Not to give away spoilers, but like whatever. It's been out for three years. It's a real story. Get over it. There is a moment in the show that I think is a very pivotal moment. And it's after the Christmas party when she's throwing up in the parking lot and she says to him, I don't feel things the way other people feel things. And he says, I know. And then he literally weaponizes her.

Yes. And I was like shook by that moment. He's crazy. He's terrifying.

And I'm like thinking about it and I'm like, okay, yeah, she like lied to so many people. But like as she was doing this, people were telling her like just get the money because like it doesn't have to be perfect and like the money will help you make it perfect. So I feel like she was just being like, okay, the more money I get, then like the product really will work. Yeah. And I feel like she truly did believe that, that it would work.

But she got so obsessed with just like the money part of it rather than the actual science of it. And then I was thinking, what if she had taken all this energy and became a murderer? You know, like I'm happy that it went this way rather than her just because she's obviously a sociopath. She doesn't have feelings. She was practicing in the mirror like how to say hi to people.

You're right. Like her brain just doesn't work. But I also think this is a great example of when you want to do something, it cannot be result oriented. Like her whole thing was, I want to be a billionaire. Yeah. If you just want to be a billionaire, you make bad decisions. Get an OnlyFans. You're not actually happy. Start an OnlyFans.

This girl, because she's so obsessed with being a billionaire, lies about stuff. You have to enjoy the journey. If she actually loved the product, she would have been really invested in making the best product possible and wouldn't have said yes to all this money bullshit. But yes, start a fucking OnlyFans. Put your feet out there and call it a day.

And like not to knock because I feel like there are obviously like geniuses who are super young. But like this bitch was in boardrooms at 19 years old. Like that's insane. And I do give her credit for being so mature. Like she's such an old soul.

I feel like they made her seem a little nicer than what I've gathered from like other interviews. Yeah. Where like, I feel like she was more of an asshole as a leader that they didn't show. Yeah. But seeing her evolve and then seeing how she's like taking private jets and like telling people I can't pick up and running away from stuff. You see how...

You can change as a human. Yeah. She talked and she wanted that rich life, which we said in the beginning of the podcast does not make you happy. And Loki will drive you crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And I just think like her relationship with him was so Stockholm me because her parents like,

Like when her dad was in the hospital and she like went to see him, like she wanted to love him and he was like, leave. He's like, I spent my tuition money on your company, leave. And then when she told the mom, I think I might want to do this. The mom was like, you have to do it. That's all you are. Yeah. And she was like, I just don't understand you. Like that's why she ended up with this guy because her parents honestly kind of seem like assholes. Yeah. But I do love all these people.

more in-depth reasons that you see how someone becomes how they are but you're right that was like and the whole thing when she tried to help the world but in like an ego way it wasn't like I really want to help people it's like I want to help people so people think I'm god yeah absolutely okay

Yes. Have you watched Bad Vegan? No, I haven't yet. That is on my list and Life and Beth is on my list. So Bad Vegan was one of those things that it was getting so popular that I start to be like, I don't want to watch it. Yeah. But I did. And let me tell you, I'm so happy I did. Can I tell you guys what it's about? Yeah. You might have heard about it. There was this like raw vegan food restaurant that all the celebrities went to in New York City. I definitely didn't hear about it.

You're like, that algorithm missed me. So everyone was in it. Everyone loved it. She actually like low key almost dated Alec Baldwin. She was the owner of it. She's so successful. You see her doing like interviews and shit. She's a badass. What's it called? The restaurant. It's called like pure food and wine or something. She's dating a famous chef. I know. Not a great name. But OK. Not great stuff happened. Believe me.

So she meets this dude who was tweeting at Alec Baldwin. So that's a red flag. Yeah. And she meets him and the guy's a con artist and everyone around her can kind of see it. They find out he's been arrested. He changed his name, all this stuff. I love a name change. Yeah, it's giving Tinder swindler and you're like, okay, we've seen this before. It gets real crazy. So she's a little, she's vegan and she's

into like astrology and like yoga and all that shit she's a little woo woo this guy creates his own cult of just him and her he convinces her she has to do things for them to hit their ultimate happy ever after and it's called giggly squad we go subscribe rate review and you too will reach heaven

Like, what were some of the things he was making her do? He basically calls them, like, the people or something. But he's like, they're not going to be happy. And they're testing you. And sometimes he starts off where it's, like, making her a better person. But then inevitably, the people start asking for wires. Wire transfers. So she starts paying him...

thousands of dollars and he's like it's life is not about money you have to understand that money is nothing and she's like but i have to pay my employees and he's like no everything's fake nothing's real in this life we just have to get past these things so that we can be in forever eternal happiness and then people are saying was she kind of like in it because she wanted she she married him for money and she like fully admitted it she thought he was really rich and could save her from some debt and then just wanted overall happiness

Long story short, she can't pay her employees. She's giving them all the money. They leave...

Together, they run away together. But then she's like locked in a hotel room with him. Oh, my God. And like they're out. But she's in trouble, too, because it's her business that she's not paying. So all the press is like this woman is horrible. She didn't pay her employees and went on the run and she owes investors money when realistically she's in this like cult relationship and he's keeping her kind of hostage. The men are ruining our lives.

I will. I'm watching too many documentaries because then Des will call me and I'll be like, what do you want? He's like, I love you. I miss you, babe. And I'm like, and you're like, do you want my bank account number? Because no, if your enemies are after you lose my number. For real men, when girls are like, I hang out with guys because they're less drama. What? They're terrifying humans.

Kanye? Putin? Do I have to continue? The Tindallers from there? Seriously, how insane is that? Wait, is Elizabeth Holmes in jail? I don't know. I'm a little confused on that. But basically scammers are like in right now and it's kind of annoying because I feel like people are going to do things now to get this fame and attention as a scammer.

Because there's low-key this, like, oh, I'm smarter than people. I was just going to say that. You have to be so smart to be a scammer. Like, I wouldn't even know. No, it's not smart. It's sociopathic, I think. You have to be sick to be a scammer. You have to be sick. You have to be lying so bad that you, like, start believing your lies. That's so crazy. Like, just to, like, hustle someone, I would be nervous. What sucks about all these people is they're all super charming. Yeah. Yeah.

But I feel like Elizabeth Holmes I was about to say except Elizabeth Holmes But she was a really good salesperson Yes That's what it was Which leads me to my next show Called We Crashed

Which is Apple TV with Jared Leto and Anne Hathaway. Jared Leto crushes this. It just came out two days ago. I told you guys about the WeWork documentary, which I highly recommend you watch. This is them acting it out. And it is so fucking good. Ryan Serhant actually proposed it to me. And I downloaded Apple TV and everything. Three-month trial right now for free. But don't even charge me. $4.99. Damn it.

It is so good Because it's again A guy who just like I love how millennials Are like oh my god We don't watch regular TV We will not pay For regular TV And I'm literally Paying like $70 a month For everyone in my family's Like Netflix account Well you're like I already paid this Why not this And next thing you know You're like Why am I paying $7,000 Because you see like

$3.99 I'm like yeah obviously I'm gonna get fucking Hulu and then you get your bill and you're just like what's going on and then you're just like renting random shit and then you're yelling at Delta because they don't have a TV because you're so addicted to watching anyway yeah it's a whole thing but I actually I think this scammer generation stems from the Millennials I'm not trying to be like a

Boomer right now But you know how Millennials were raised Like all your dreams Can come true Yeah And like you don't have To do the corporate ladder And like me and you We love being entrepreneurs Some people take it too far Where they're like I'm gonna be The next Steve Jobs Also like

How people go, you have to be crazy. When people tell you no, you have to keep pushing. Yeah. You have to be... So this guy is fucking crazy at WeWork getting all these investors and all this shit and then just spending all the money on himself. And it's all stemmed from wanting to be like Steve Jobs. Yeah. Elizabeth Holmes wanted to be like Steve Jobs. And it's like he's a particular genius. You guys are fucking sociopath, narcissist, crazy people. And I'm not trying to name call anyone, but...

They're pretty valid. I don't want to put this in the universe, but like what if you have a child and you just like realize that they're a sociopath? Oh my God. No, like it's so scary to me. Like I worry about having like a daughter who like doesn't want to do ballet, but really I should worry about her being a sociopath and like... Wait, do you remember that scary movie called Orphan? Yeah. Yeah.

Where they adopted that girl who's actually, like, a 47-year-old woman in a tiny girl's body. Yeah. Who, like, wanted to murder everyone. Yeah. That's my biggest fear. Like, your child's just gonna walk out and, like, wanna murder you. That's such a good movie, though, that, like, you start realizing that your kid might be a serial killer or, like, might become a cult leader. Yeah, and it's just, like, it's just people are born the way they're born. Like, I truly...

Not to get scientific, but the whole nature versus nurture thing. I mean, this is a science podcast, so continue. This is a science. This is a Pamela Anderson science podcast. So apparently... So apparently, I really do believe in nature versus nurture. I truly believe that you are born the way you are born and that is how you're going to be. But your surroundings can influence certain personality traits. But I feel like...

If you are born an asshole, you will always be an asshole. Yeah. Like and sometimes you might not be an asshole, but your core is an asshole. Well, you see kids in kindergarten. There's like the bullies. Yeah. It's like and there's the kids who will stand up to the bullies. Yeah. And then there's the kids who are always getting bullied. Yeah. And that wasn't because they chose it. That's like in their gut. It's just who you are.

Oh my God. Now I have another irrational fear to worry about that's going to keep me up at night. Irrational. When I worked at ABC News, my boss had a daughter and she, I mean, she still has a daughter, but her daughter at the time was like seven years old and I had to bring her to a birthday party one time. Besides the fact that the moms were so rude to me because they thought that I was the nanny and I wanted to be like,

Hold on to your husbands, ladies. I am the number one assistant. I am the number one assistant. I was like, how dare you? Like, I'm not trying to come in here and like nanny your kids either. I don't even want to nanny this one right now for two hours. I don't even know how to nanny. Yeah. And like, I don't know why she requested me to bring her to this party. I hate children. No, but her daughter was adorable. And I used to pick her up from school and like she had to go to this birthday party. My boss couldn't take her. So I took her and I stayed with her at the birthday party.

And so I'm watching these like seven year old girls and it was so insane to see them interact with each other because I could immediately pick out like you're getting pregnant in high school. You're a fucking bitch. Yeah.

Like you don't know what's going on. Lights are off in your brain. But like it's just how they're born. Like one was just like a little bit more sexually overt than all the other seven year olds. And my boss's daughter wanted to play with like puppies and markers. And I was like, stay just like this. Like you're adorable. And we can use this for positives as in like whenever I feel off in life, I'm always like, who was Hannah when she was seven? Like what did she like to do? And honestly, what I like to do was I like to paint.

I like to run around and I like to make people laugh. Like I just like to make silly faces and make jokes. So it's like I like to create now. I like to do comedy. What was the other thing I like to do?

Nap? Yeah, I like napping. I'm never opposed to napping. You loved your outfits right out of the womb. Oh my God, right out of the womb, I loved them. I would literally sit in my mom's closet. She'd be like, have to come find me because I would just look at her shoes and

And I used to read American Girl doll books when they would show you hair tutorials. Bitch, I was doing hair tutorials before it was a thing. And I would copy the pictures. Yeah. I used to also fight bullies. Like, I was, like, the bully fighter. Wow. I had a girl that I stuck up for in fourth grade on the bus. Yeah. Like, one random day, and I didn't really even remember it. And when we graduated eighth grade...

she came up to me and said something about it and I was and I never forgot it and I was like oh my god like you are so welcome I forgot what it was

I have a... Apparently... Apparently? Apparently when I was younger... This is actually so typical of me now that I think about it. This guy was like really cute. Cute Irish boy. His name was James. And he was dyslexic. And for whatever reason, the teacher was making us do full presentations in front of parents of like what we wrote. And...

And like in front of this big board and he was like clearly struggling to read. Yeah. Out of nowhere. Boy, crazy. I stood up and went to the front and held his hand.

Stop it, Hannah. And helped him read, which is like now going to make me cry. And that was just born in you. That was born in me. But I also realized like I also later on did corner him and kiss him. And I got in trouble for that. So I don't know what my motives were for helping him, but we helped the man.

You whisper, you're like, now we're dating. Yeah, also a crazy person is like, I'm going to stand up even though it's not my turn to like help this person. I love detention at a very young age. But anyway, long story short, when you feel off in life, it's clouded by like the filters and the bullshit society puts on you. Go back to who you were when you were raw. And if you were a human, I don't know. Yeah, that we're not the pod for you. But I do think back in the day when you're pure like,

could you be our kids i guess some kids are assholes kids are assholes but the gigglers are not i'm telling you i've met so many gigglers traveling the gigglers are our people and there's a they are us like the gig yeah and i my mom has a saying that assholes produce assholes so like if you're an asshole your child's probably going to be an asshole so i'm not that worried for us and that goes down to making decisions based

With the guy you're gonna be with Yes Like if he's an asshole to you Yeah Your kid's gonna be an asshole to you Do you wanna deal with two assholes in the household? And if he's an asshole to his mom You're next sis Large claims court By the way That was a good one

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And it's the whole story of Evan Rachel Wood exposing her relationship with Marilyn Manson. You're welcome. Oh my God. Wait, what's it on? What's it on? Wild. I'm going to double check for us because I want to make sure I'm giving the right information to everyone. Phoenix Rising. I love when girls have boy names. Oh, it's on Hulu. It's on Hulu. Okay.

So, Everett Sherwood has always been, like, very cool and mysterious, right? Yeah. Don't you agree? Yeah. So, she's been soft-launching the fact that she was in a very abusive relationship. Yeah. Like, she was, like, she didn't want to say the name. We love a soft launch, no matter what it is. No matter what it is. Because she wanted to come out when she was comfortable. And now she's on full blast of, like, everything that happened in her relationship. But Marilyn is coming back full force with a lawsuit of defamation. And he's...

It's like very tense right now because you basically watch her whole process. You watch other women saying, I've had this similar experience with him. And then he has his people being like, we don't, this is not a thing. So it's kind of like this awkward situation right now. But she goes in depth of the like emotional and physical abuse she dealt with. And he started with her when he was 37 and she was 18. Yeah.

That's like the Elizabeth Holmes thing. She was 19 and he was like, whatever, in his 30s, like late 30s. I do have to say. It's so uncomfy. There's something very, like, you remember us when we were 18. What did we care about? Like, what did we talk about? I actually don't remember what I was like at 18. Like, I was a freshman in college. I don't know, a literal idiot. We're young, 29, 30-year-olds.

What would we talk to an 18 year old about? Nothing. Literally nothing. Anyone like 10 years younger than me. I don't know what to say to them. But like there's a difference. Like if I'm I'm 30 and like the guy I'm with 40. But like when you're in your teens. No. Imagine going to dinner with a 19 year old girl or boy. No. No. No.

And this man's 37 having a full on relationship. And she talks about the grooming. I think it's once you're 20. I'm going to say once you're 25, it's more normal to date someone older than like five years older than you. But before 25, you have no idea day to day what's going on ever. Literally ever. No, your brain is not fully formed.

No. And then some people are like, okay, it's Marilyn Manson. What do you think you were going to get into? But Marilyn Manson is also like very charming and funny, which I didn't know about. I just like, I don't know how you would even bring yourself to kiss him. Like that. This is the thing. He's a, he's like an intellectual, funny freak that like sees the world in a different way. Like honestly, I get it. Also,

He's tall. He's very tall. But it is important. He's a tall man. Well, he obviously like and I'm guilty of this, too. Like I'm very attracted to people that can walk into a room and not say anything and kind of just like command the room. And he definitely has that. Well, one, because he looks psychotic, but like he definitely has that like edge, right?

But the whole thing with him is people thought it was like very performative what he's doing. Is he a good person pretending to be a monster? Is he a good witch or a bad witch? Is he a good witch or a bad witch? I don't know why that just came to my brain. Or is he a wolf hiding in wolf's clothing? A wolf hiding in wolf's... Oh, wow. I see what you did there. Yeah. Isn't that intense? Yeah.

Okay, that's on Hulu. Wow, we have a lot of shows to watch. Honestly, thank God. Finally. I was in a funk. Girl, I am back in action. I'm a big Amy Schumer fan. I love Amy Schumer. She's been very inspirational to me. And she's finally back out with a show. Yeah, I'm excited to start that. Have you watched it at all? No, because I've been on the dropout.

I watched the first episode and it's good. I feel like she's getting her rhythm back. Like no one's like Amy and it's like Refresh Never on my screen. Yeah. Michael Rapaport is on it and a lot of my comedy friends are on it, which is pretty cool. Wait. One of your friends is on Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Oh my God.

Oh my God, Elise Morales. Yes. She is like the assistant. I was like, I was watching it and I was like, I know that I know this girl. We're just like so industry now. Like we can't watch anything without seeing people, you know? I'm just like, oh my God. We're basically, we live in LA basically. I don't know.

Guys, thank you for giggling with us. Tell us all the feedback on the shows that you're watching slash we're going to Boston this weekend. Oh my God, we're going to Boston. I'm literally so fucking excited because Boston sold out in literally three seconds. So we have two. I know the energy is up. You know, we have two shows. Yeah, I know. It's like kind of insane. We have to like not black out the first show. I know I said we, but we know what I was talking about.

Yeah, no, I know. I won't black out. Or we fully commit to the blackout. Yeah, possibly. And we go all the way through and see where the night takes us. We'll just see what happens. So Boston, we'll see you on Saturday. And we love you guys so much. Talk to you and giggle with you later.