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I am interested in talking to both you and Greg Cody about Inter-Miami and reaching the final 16 and what should be the shame or no shame in losing to Paris Saint-Germain 4-0 if you're Lionel Messi. But before I do that, I wanted to do a couple of other things and ask you among them, when I say that Malik Beasley was about to have a three-year $42 million contract and now those talks have come to a halt because...

The NBA is cooperating with federal prosecutors investigation that Beasley may have been gambling on prop bets in his games. I don't want to get so numb to this that we only yell about it when it's Otani's interpreter and it's close to Otani. But then it's not the crime we're talking about or the alleged crime. But who is the criminal on how scandalous these things should be?

These should be scandalous stories every time you hear about them, no matter how normalized gambling is and no matter how much sports has had its integrity impugned by an assortment of different people with everything from immoralities to illegalities. I'm asking you, what's the name I have to put in front of you? Because it ain't Malik Beasley.

What's the name I have to put in front of you to make one of these go right to the front of all your screens because you realize this has gotten to one of the players it can't get to? Because we haven't had any seismic stuff happen except when there was the sniff of it around Otani. Probably a quarterback. Yeah.

Or a true superstar. I think that's probably how more people pay attention to it. Look, before gambling was legalized in states, we had a massive Tim Donaghy scandal that should honestly couch any discussion we've ever had when we discuss...

is this rigged in the NBA? And you have tons of people that were aligned with Tim Donaghy that had incriminating text messages at the time that are still officiating in that league, and we just move on past it. If anything, the legalization of gambling in all these states has allowed these gambling partners to share more data with their league partners and point out things like, hey, there's a bunch of sharp action right now on Malik Boudreaux

Beasley's unders and his rebounds. You may want to go ahead and take a look at that. Stuff like this has been going on for decades. There's going to be more of it because, yes, gambling is more legal, but there's also going to be more of it because these gambling partners are also sharing the data. So people like Malik Beasley can't get away with going three under their average for the season for a string of games. I think it's...

a guy like Malik Beasley because if you're a LeBron level superstar, frankly, you don't need the money you're going to get from Gale. Calvin Ridley was a big...

A big time player, a star in that league, and it didn't really resonate. Yeah, he was a receiver. I don't think you can do don't need the money when like this. I believe athletes are more like I don't have any metrics on this, but I would say athletes are more inclined in terms of generality to be the obsessive, compulsive, kind of addictive and competitive that would make people more prone to

to the temptations of gambling and competition than the average person. I would think that the average athlete is more susceptible to these temptations based on just human personality traits that would make them great at their jobs, and then they couldn't necessarily turn off when they left the facility because there's an addiction to competing as well. This is what Michael Jordan always said. He said he didn't have a gambling problem. He had a competition problem. It's also not always about that.

You never know what position an individual's in if they're being dragged into that. It could be some sort of leverage play, them trying to get out of a bad situation. It's not always because this person just likes to chase a bet here and there. It's not always like that. Yeah, I think that's the danger to leagues is that if Malik Beasley is not working alone, so to speak, if he has people he's beholden to for one reason or another, then it becomes more of a network issue, not just one person. But

Malik Beasley thinks, I'm guessing, I'm a middle class player. The attention is not going to be on me like it would be on KD or somebody like that. Oh, everyone knows what the dangers are here. He's a former felon. I think they do now. He's a former felon. Bringing this into his life, allegedly, it's high risk game for him.

I never know when you guys start saying someone doesn't need the money. I don't know where the line is on. Can Michael Jordan ever have a gambling problem? And the way Charles Barkley says it is I can afford it.

I like to gamble. I don't have a gambling problem. I can afford it. There are very few people, though, in the tax bracket where Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley exist that you can have a gambling problem and it doesn't actually affect your life in any meaningful way. When you get caught on one of these spirals, I remember...

I remember what it is that Travis Henry, the former Bills running back, got caught for, I think, after his playing career. Because once you get used to making a certain amount of money in a certain lifestyle and you start getting into a range where you're gambling too much on airplanes or wherever else with people who are flippant around money, you could lose a lot of money very fast and find yourself in a problem that makes you make money.

compensations on your principles even though you know what the risk is I wanted to show you guys something

A little bit of news that came in. DeAndre Ayton opted out of his contract in Portland. And I just want the picture put behind me that they used with this story on ESPN.com of DeAndre Ayton. I want you guys to look at this person and tell me how old this person is. Tell me how old that person, DeAndre Ayton, is based on his photograph. I would guess like 48. Yeah. 53. 53.

27. Billy got it exactly right. Did I? Wow, you are really good at this game, Billy. He is 27 years old somehow. That is impossible to believe. Federal cocaine trafficking conspiracy for Travis Henry. You should have put a little pause between that and DeAndre Ayton so that people didn't think that it was DeAndre Ayton. I thought we were talking soccer. He's actually turning 27 this month. Wow.

So he's not even 26. He looks old for his age. That's high mileage right there. We're going to get to Inter-Miami in a second because, as you guys know, it is Mercurial Mike Monday, as it is every Monday around here. He doesn't like that. Congratulations, Mike. It's a mercurial. It's a compliment to all the things Mike is.

I wanted to tell you guys something that happened to me yesterday that continues to offend me on this front even though I remain somebody shouting at the bottom of a well and no one cares about my complaints. I told you guys the story of walking into a Trader Joe's and holding up a piece of cash in front of the cashier and the cashier is so used to automated no one pays cash anymore that it was six o'clock in the evening and the cashier said to me, "Oh, I'm sorry. That's the first time anyone's offered me cash all day." And since then,

There have been more and more places that simply will not accept my cash. They won't accept it. They are card only as a philosophy. You heard me say this is un-American. But this weekend, it went a step too far. When I am giving someone cash and they have to give me change and they hold up an American nickel and say to me, how much is this one worth? What? On a coin.

How much is this one worth? And I said five cents because they're so not used to anyone needing change in the establishment that I'm in because everyone is using a card that it's not just from last week's lament that cursive is now being expunged from old people. Are coins now being expunged? Are we raising a generation of kids who don't actually know what a nickel looks like?

Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Are we raising a generation of kids who do not know what a nickel looks like? Because this was not a teenager. This was an adult that did not know that a nickel was worth five cents. Yeah, the answer is yes. And I have done a back in my day on that on your air and in this book. How about that? Wow.

You know what I did this weekend, Dan, because I'm getting old? I noticed my car has like little slots for coins in it. And I said, you know what? I kind of want to fill up those slots with some coins. And I wanted to start paying with cash again and with change again. So I have this little jug that's a money counter. So you put in the penny and it keeps track of how much money is in there. But it's been years since I've...

actually use it. It just kind of sits in the corner. And I looked and it said it had like $60 in change, but sometimes I take some in, I put some out, whatever. So I went and I did penny by penny, nickel by nickel. I found out it was only $38 in there. So somehow I've spent like $28 in change that I wasn't aware of over the years that I thought it was short. But I went and I put it in my car and then it...

Dano, the free agent frenzy continues. First per Jordan Schultz and now per Adam Schefter. ESPN sources the Miami Dolphins have agreed to trade three-time All-Pro cornerback Jalen Ramsey to the Pittsburgh Steelers as part of the trade. Ramsey will get a $1.5 million raise this season, bringing his compensation up.

up to $26.6 million. My dad's first thought, shit, I got to write a column. Hell yeah. I mean, he's been on the trade market for about nine years. I don't know if, I always judge breaking news by how surprising it is. It was just a matter of time until they traded him, right?

So you don't want to have to go right? Is that just you pitching why you don't need to go right at Colin? That's how you react to a major name. Didn't he have a rivalry with DK Metcalf? That'd be cool. I can make the argument that Jalen Ramsey is one of the best athletes in the history of the state of Florida. From Florida State on, one of the top five Florida State athletes I've ever seen. In terms of being jealous that they're a knoll and not a cane, Jalen Ramsey's right up there with Dalvin Cook. I agree.

I don't believe, well, this isn't even arguable, the Jalen Ramsey era here didn't produce any of what it was supposed to for anyone but Jalen Ramsey, who I believe delivered on everything it is that he was promised to be, and they didn't have enough around him to...

to his level of excellence. And now a very long career heads to Pittsburgh with Aaron Rodgers and a team that's totally in win-now mode. In a way, the Dolphins aren't, right? The Dolphins can't be seen as being in win-now mode given that they're now paying the penalties of all they were in the

All they didn't accomplish the last three years while being in win-now mode, and now they can't afford Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, particularly because it leaves their cornerback position probably the weakest cornerback room in the league or close to it.

That's cool that he and DK get to fight and practice every day now, too. It was, for a couple of years, really fun to watch those two go at it. And a quick correction, Jalen Ramsey actually tweeted out a pre-produced video one minute before the reporters actually had that information. How do you know? As he tweeted, break my own news.

He tried to sort of change the paradigm some and couldn't be anything but a copycat given that he was following Deion Sanders at FSU. But when he shows up to Jacksonville for camp...

in a Brinks truck? I forgot about that. Was it because he was about to be paid or he had been paid? Why is it? I think it was like, I want to get paid. Yeah, pay me. Jalen Ramsey has... You traded him. Jalen Ramsey has tried...

to manufacture his own news with music videos or making viral noise for about the last five to ten years. And what I associate with him in no particular order is extraordinary Florida athlete,

Showed up in a Brinks truck at Jacksonville and immediately Jacksonville got scared and traded him because of everything that that was in copycat Deion Sanders style and did an interview with, I believe, GQ in which he said, among other things, that Josh Allen sucks and would always suck.

and just crushed an assortment of quarterbacks, and then never spoke that honestly to the media ever again after that story because he said Josh Allen was going to suck. But take me through the history of this right here where he's showing up in Jacksonville with duffel bags emerging from a Brinks truck, and you're telling me he had not yet gotten his money? Are you sure he had not yet gotten his money? It looks like he's gotten.

It claims here in this article that it was a nod to the fact that they need to pay him. And it was at the start of training camp. So I assume he wasn't paid yet and showed up to training camp.

With a bag full of money, which seems like the opposite. Seems like Adidas helped him out with the activation, with the Feel the Boost tagline and him coming out with an Adidas bag. That was July 24th, 2019. He was traded to the Los Angeles Rams by October 15th of 2019. Hall of Famer? Can you look? I'd say so. Yeah, Super Bowl champion. I think he's Hall of Famer. I don't think so. No? Even more impressive than Super Bowl champion, AFC championship game with Jacksonville. His, I mean, you...

At his position, you start by looking at career interceptions, and his total is not... No, because they don't throw on him. I think that guy's, for his generation, probably top three at the position. I don't think that Greg Cody is necessarily using the right metric for the modern age. The story... I've told you guys this story before, and it's my favorite...

It's my favorite Dion story. It was against Wanstead's.

Bears, he only had Steve Walsh as quarterback. Steve Walsh couldn't throw the ball very hard. Deion Sanders was on the opposing team. Dave Wanstead was the coach of the year. Muddy field, playoff game. They avoid Deion Sanders so much. Muddy field, playoff game. His side of the field so much that they lose 44-3. And after playing an NFL playoff game in the mud, Deion Sanders is running off a field and his uniform is not that dirty anymore.

after playing an entire football game because they wouldn't throw to his side of the field. And I asked him if he'd ever played in a more boring game.

And the only reason Deion Sanders is a better athlete than Jalen Ramsey at FSU in my memory is because his answer was, yeah, it's called baseball. Jalen Ramsey is a Florida athlete. I don't know whether people care about this stuff, like Anquan Bolden when he talks about being the athlete of the year in the state of Florida and that there are 10 guys in his neighborhood who are better than he is.

For Jalen Ramsey to be one of the best athletes in the history of the state of Florida and at FSU, combined with the fact that people wouldn't throw to his side of the field when he played because they were afraid of him, there has to be a better metric than the one that you're using there, interceptions on a cornerback. But let me give you another metric. And I'm not saying this is the be-all, end-all, but Pro Football Reference has a Hall of Fame monitor.

and its Hall of Fame monitor says the average Hall of Fame DB rates 96.9, and right now Jalen Ramsey's career metric is 59.3, like 60% of where he needs to be to be a Hall of Famer. I could be wrong. I'm not a Hall of Fame voter, but I think he's got a lot of late career work to do to be thought of as a Hall of Famer. Don't you believe that his name is the one associated with best quarterbacks

corner at the position and when you're throwing around the names you're going to throw out a half a dozen of them and over the course of a decade his name is going to be one of the first that you're mentioning is a name corner seven-time pro bowler three-time ap first team yep a name shut down corner he has there's an argument and and seven-time pro bowl gets your attention 24 career interceptions in a long career does not turn in 31 it's gonna be yep

He's already fallen off some. There's been talk about moving him to safety, which, by the way, could give him extra longevity. Charles Woodson, as a lockdown corner, we were having these discussions, is he overrated? And then he moves to safety and becomes a deep boy. So maybe that's a move for him.

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Wake him up. Uh-oh. He doesn't want to be bothered anymore. Now it's getting tense because he didn't need that as a result. He needs something that happens. You can see it. Mother effing it. Can we bother? Are we bothering you right now? Turn on your microphone, Greg. My microphone's on. Stugatz. Paint the scene. Paint the scene is I got to go to work. Good night. This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz.

One other sports thing that I wanted to get to before, speaking of Pittsburgh, before the show ended today, and I know that we're doing more and more of it these days where, you know,

burying pieces of your childhood, Greg, as you age. I know that this is happening more and more for you. And so every couple of weekends, a Dave Parker, someone who was a part of my childhood, who introduced me to baseball, someone who looked unlike anyone I had ever seen in a baseball uniform before because he was so big. He was 6'5", and he was just clearly stronger than everyone else, and his arm was stronger than everyone else.

He is a time in Pittsburgh baseball where Pittsburgh baseball, the only time in Pittsburgh baseball, came to rival what it is that the Steelers were in town because of how Pittsburgh baseball mattered during his time and during Barry Bonds' time. And he had been sick for a while. In a way, when he had been in public, he had been so physically weak that you had warning that this was coming, and yet still.

When it's a sports figure that reminds me specifically of the childhood awe and wonder I had before cable television of discovering an athlete. I'm not even sure that the way that I discovered Dave Parker in the late 70s as someone being introduced to baseball just because the Yankees play spring training games in Fort Lauderdale. I'm not sure a kid today can do that.

discover an athlete the way that I would have discovered an athlete in 77 where you're seeing them at a spring training game for the first time before you see highlights before you see social media before you even know what someone is that the only access to information you would have is not cable television it's magazines it's baseball magazines over the summer or a game of the week that doesn't allow you the nightly access to both highlights and

This is when Dave Parker dies. It feels to me like you're resurrecting a portion of my childhood I have not thought about in a while. And then you are burying it again and making me sad because you're reminding me of a connection that I will never have to an athlete again. Yeah, he finally made the Hall of Fame just before he died, which is incredible.

a victory, I think, if you're a Dave Parker fan or a fan of that era. But he also had a personality. Like, he had a bravado to him, an aura to his game. It wasn't just the power or anything. He was an all-around player, a great right fielder, and

Yeah, I was very fortunate to have him on my podcast once. And I only say that because back then I'm like, wow, Dave Parker agreed to be on my podcast and it was a big deal. And I was really honored. Actually, you only say that because you wanted to say that you had him on your podcast. That is the only reason. And I should also say that was at a time when.

in baseball that there weren't a lot of black players. That was a black team because they had Dave Parker and Willie Stargell on behalf of Pittsburgh, representing Pittsburgh in like we're physically more imposing than you ways in baseball that people weren't used to seeing. He also was elected to the Hall of Fame, but his induction hasn't happened yet. It's in a couple of weeks. So it was this year that he got elected in. At least he knew he made it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Fair. It's just a sad kind of note. It didn't quite get there, yes. No, he made it. No, he's in. He just didn't get to enjoy it. Like I've said before, the greatest thing about making the Hall of Fame is that it becomes a fountain of youth. You're here to point out not in this case. No. What? No. I had a Dave Parker bat.

Did you? Yeah. That was my dad's, but I used it. My friend's broken. I had to explain to my dad. Was it signed? Oh, wow. Well, no. It was a Louisville Slugger. I mean, it was like engraved signature signed. It's a big black bat, right? This one was not. It was like a regular tan color. What would you even call that color bat?

Tan? Beige? I don't know. Wood grain? Yeah, wood. But I thought that, well, do I have my, maybe my memory's wrong on this. I remember Willie Stargell having a big black bat. Okay. Enter Miami? The big one. Just Googled Willie Stargell, big black bat. I'll let you know what comes up. Checks out. After last Friday's Google searches, nothing surprised me with you, Jeremy. Skip past the one of his cock.

Enter Miami. Greg Cody, I want to read directly from his column. Would you guys like to hear directly from Greg Cody's Miami Herald column today? Greg Cody, now that he's a grandfather and he's softening in old age, he has a moral victory column. The scoreboard says route. It says the loser was not just beaten, but closer to embarrassed.

but more needs to be said of how the FIFA Club World Cup ended for Inter-Miami on Sunday in Atlanta, sometimes in sports, not often. A team gets to leave a game feeling almost as if it has won, no matter the scoreboard's clear descent. Athletes and coaches are loathe to admit even a shred of positive in any defeat, let alone in the immediate aftermath. But if ever the moral victory existed, can't Inter-Miami claim some of that even after a...

4-0 defeat. Stop being a homer, bro!

I believed that before the game, and I'm not going to change my opinion because they lost 4-0 to the best team on the planet. And my opinion was influenced somewhat by a much, much better second half. Now, granted, PSG took its foot off the gas pedal, I'm sure, perhaps out of respect for Messi, but they were much, much better in the second half. They controlled the ball more. PSG...

Their ball possession is like anybody, nobody else on earth. It was more than 73% in the Club World Cup, and it was almost 70% yesterday, about 65%, I think. So they just control the ball. Miami couldn't get it in the first half. That's not on Miami. That's on them playing the best team on earth. I think, and I think Mike agrees, them making... It was an ass-kicking. It was ridiculous. It was a crazy ass-kicking. It was an absurd ass-kicking. I've never seen a team get...

All right, so PSG had four goals in that first half. The first half was ridiculous, right. Miami had three completed passes in PSG's end of the pitch. They couldn't get the ball. It was as thorough an ass-kicking as you can. You know what? Sometimes it looks like that when one team has a billion-dollar roster and the other team has a $60 million roster. I do agree with your point, though. This is one of the greater achievements in club soccer history in this company. They went through an entire group of—

group round. They didn't drop a game. Their first loss in the competition is to the reigning European champions, who, by the way, in the final against Inter Milan, won 5-0 and beat them up pretty good. But you...

I understand the point. Let's take a treetop view and say this is one of the best achievements. This team is only five years old, and in five years, they have what is arguably the greatest achievement in club soccer in this country. But at the same time, you can be really disappointed with how they approached that game and what they needed to do. Obviously, they're going to have to have an

outsized effort. They're going to have to play really smart and they showed that they could end. No. They were intimidated. They just almost visually were beaten before the match. That's not intimidated though. When your first half is called a bloodbath by your coach and you can't get passes in, that's not intimidating. They're just a good deal better than you. That's okay. It's expected. It's the Champions League winner. They're a couple of weeks removed from beating Inter Milan in the final in one of the

biggest ass kickings we've ever seen in a cup final. So that was, that was some, I mean, we're getting some feedback. Well, here's what's happening. You guys can go into the parking garage. There are people working on the other side of this wall. I just walked into the garage and they are using like very large tools to

to install something on the other side of the wall. It sounded earlier in the show like I was being hit in the head with a shovel. Yeah, it sounded like a sandblaster. So they're working on stuff out there, but we keep giving you content. We don't care what's being erected around here. You two, though, specifically, are sitting here arguing on behalf of the achievement when...

They were embarrassed. They should be embarrassed by being in a game where they have no practical chance to complete a pass. Yeah, I mean, if they hung on to their 2-0 lead against Palmeiras, which actually made it to the quarterfinals, they avoid PSG entirely and do battle with Botafogo, and that game...

makes you feel better as an Inter fan. I don't know if they go on to advance, but they certainly do better. They have chances in the final third as opposed to what PSG did, which totally let off the gas in that second half and changed players in. But when they put in their subs, they put in Dembele. I know. Their best player. It's an insane embarrassment of riches. It's crazy. And Inter Miami have its limitations. Even...

You have Messi and you have Jordi Alba doing the best that he can, but Luis Suarez obviously is super limited, although he showed you a moment of brilliance in this tournament. I think there was plenty to be proud of, and they ended up making north of $20 million, which is an insane haul for an MLS club, certainly more than they've ever made for any of their on-pitch successes by a hell of a lot. So from a football standpoint, major success.

And you can honestly say it's one of the best achievements in MLS club soccer. It's just sad to put it that way after you get rubbed. Whoa, the Steelers have traded. Is this true? All pro safety Minka Fitzpatrick to the Dolphins in exchange for Jalen Ramsey? Is that? Yeah, player for player.

Great trade. All of a sudden, the conversation changed. Great trade. He's back. Great trade. That's a great trade for the Dolphins. Are you kidding me? They traded Minka Fitzpatrick more earlier than anyone wanted him traded. And Minka Fitzpatrick, if you're talking about interceptions, and that's the stat you're going to use.

That's a bit of a surprise, is it not? A one-for-one, all-pro-for-all pro trade in the NFL? When's the last time? I don't think this has ever happened. The Dolphins got the younger one, right? Like by a few years. Also seems like Ramsey is going to make that move to safety if that's the case. In another position of need. That is... Okay. That's a smart deal for the Dolphins. Ramsey's fading. You know, you can...

Put him in Canton already if you want to, but he's a fading 30, almost 31. Had two interceptions. I know you don't like interceptions. Lockdown corners don't get thrown on. They don't have the opportunity. Minka Fitzpatrick does produce interceptions. That position will. And I imagine if Jalen Ramsey gets moved to safety, you're going to see his interception numbers go way, way up, the same way that they did with Woodson and Woodson before him. Okay. You know what? Corners who aren't thrown to that much find a way to get interceptions. No. What?

Put that on the poll. Hold on. What is Deion Sanders' career? Let's look up Reuters. I guarantee it's more than twice that of Jalen Ramsey. And I don't even have the stats in front of me. Minka is 28. Go ahead and look up the stats if you're guaranteeing stuff. We do need to look up more of the advanced metrics. I would not use interceptions. I would trust that the people doing the scouting and people doing individual grading on play-to-play, route-to-route, taking into account scouting

schemes and who you're playing against is a much better, more accurate measurement. What about the pro football reference rating?

You like it. It's an incomplete grade. You like it, and it's a piecemeal thing that allows you to make it slightly more chewable, but I can't sit here and break this down intelligently beyond telling you that Minka Fitzpatrick is a couple years younger than Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey will indeed probably have to change positions from cornerback to safety. I imagine he will be a very good safety. Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson showed this, and

Here's a good comp. Darryl Revis in 11 seasons played had 29 interceptions. Jalen Ramsey in eight seasons played has 20 as of the end of 2024. So he has an opportunity to catch up, and his interception total is aligned with a shutdown corner that eliminates a side of the field. How about Deion Sanders? Deion Sanders played in a different era and was a different player altogether. But Greg is right. And better. But...

Okay, the level for Hall of Fame is Deion Sanders? That's not the tipping point. 53 interceptions for Deion Sanders in his career, 24 for Jalen Ramsey. Hey, it was a ball hawk. That's not Jalen Ramsey's game. How about Minka Fitzpatrick? If we're going to do it just with interceptions, we've got a cornerback for cornerback trade between two teams that are— Corner for safety. Okay, yes, forgiveness. 20 for Minka.

So it's 20 for Minka. Okay. And it's between two teams that, between them, cannot win a first-round playoff game. Correct? Between them, since Ben Roethlisberger, there have been no victories. So much so that Mike Florio is on with us, and he's doing the tap dance of Mike Tomlin hot seat, yes or no. 18 seasons coaching, never a losing season, but can't get past the first round. Do you realize...

How absurd it is to say in the modern age, in a show where I was talking about how quickly Toronto's general manager can be deposed, that one of the most amazing stats in sports is the Pittsburgh Steelers have had three coaches. That makes no sense. I really wish pro football focus was around when Jerry Rice and Deion Sanders were going head to head two times a year.

You guys are old enough to remember. What was that like? The greatest DB ever against the greatest football player ever going up twice a year. Oh, you know how that was. Jerry Rice did everything the right way. And Deion Sanders does everything the wrong way. But who won? Who got the better of the other one? Who won? Who won? Who was better? I don't remember. Really? Yes. Well, I mean, Jerry Rice won for all time because his team was the one winning. Remember how awesome Josh Norman versus Odell when Odell was at the peak of his powers was amazing.

amazing. There are rumors that the NFL has buried that NFL Films video because of what was being said on the field. The best one was Andre Johnson and Cortland Finnegan, right? Well, I mean, he beat his ass. And for Andre Johnson to display that when that's not his personality type at all. And it shows you why there are weight classes in combat sports as well.

DK, Jalen Ramsey got up there, got pretty hostile. But the best one we have seen, wait a minute, didn't Tlaib have one too? Crabtree, right? Crabtree and Tlaib. Two guys who get so emotionally volatile and are at such a frenzied state of competition that inevitably they end up fist fighting because there's a disrespect in the middle of it. Andre Johnson, though, that was so far out of character.

Everyone knew that that was Cortland Finnegan being Cortland Finnegan because Cortland Finnegan could do that to anybody. But once you've done it to Andre Johnson...

Andre Johnson's the rare person in demeanor where everyone watching that is like, yeah, Cortland probably did something wrong there. I don't know what he did. Clearly. But he probably did something that deserved that beating. He was a dirty player, Cortland Finnegan. But I'm just saying, do you know how rare it is for a player to have the pristine reputation that while he's kicking someone's ass, you're like, yeah, that other guy probably deserved it.

We're doing some digging right now. Jonu Smith has been linked to the Steelers for the longest time. Schefter's tweeting about it. There may be a Jonu Smith angle to the Steelers as well. Rappaport says the Steelers are trading for Jonu Smith, and he's one of Arthur Smith's favorite weapons as an offensive coordinator. One-year, $12 million extension.

So at this point, all in all, according to Schefter, the Steelers get Johnny Smith and Jalen Ramsey. The Dolphins get Minka Fitzpatrick in a late round pick. All right, so let's break this down quickly for a moment on the idea that the Dolphins have been winning now for three years. They've been trying to get to where the Steelers are and failing. They have not gotten to so much as a playoff victory. Mike Tomlin.

is doing win now stuff that feels desperate. This trade, both of these trades have been talked about for a while. I didn't have the Steelers getting both of the Dolphin guys. The tight end obviously is something that Aaron Rodgers has used very well over the years. This is going to be a short play conservative offense like most of Tomlin's are.

It's going to be a lot of DK Metcalf and John U. Smith are not guardable on button hooks, so let's throw a bunch of accurate six-yard passes. Steelers going all-in. It's been 21 years since the last trade in the NFL featured an all-pro for an all-pro. Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis. But this is what all-in looks like if you're the Steelers and you've got a coach, one who has...

As much stability as an organization can ever give a coach, but also has provided as much stability as a coach can provide. And this is a season of uncommon pressure for Mike Tomlin because of the desperation he welcomes into his huddle in a win right now, Aaron Rodgers. The Steelers are going to be just aggressively all in on Tomlin either gets further in the playoffs this year or not.

or he's in big trouble. The problem is you would think that the Dolphins would have been in that same mind frame. They trade a Pro Bowl cornerback at a position of great need that really leaves them bereft at an important position, and they trade John U. Smith, the former FIU Panther, who had a great season for Miami last year.

He came in as a very offensive tight end and did just what he was supposed to. So they missed both of those players. I'm going to guess, though, that McDaniel feels like he can do that with a tight end, whoever that is. I mean, it's one of the reasons that they let go of Gusecki. I'm sure he can. Stuff like that still with Burrow because I'm guessing that that's a position that they feel is pretty disposable. But it's not going to be for Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers. It wasn't until last year, though. It was weird.

Titans always produce in that zone scheme that dates back to the Shanahan's. And it wasn't until John, you got here that they got that production. So to see him go live, breaking trade in the middle of the show alive.

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