Hour 1: The "First Name I Think Of" Metric
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Hall of Fame, should you be in? Should you not be in? This is something that it is rivers of content on God Bless Football. It is something that pays for Stu Gatz's luxurious life because he likes talking about whether someone should be in the Hall of Fame or shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. Football Hall of Fame, you treat with more respect than football.

the Basketball Hall of Fame. Well, I do. I mean, they put the right people usually into the Football Hall of Fame. I mean, there are many people in the Basketball Hall of Fame that have no business being in a Basketball Hall of Fame. As passionate as you've been in 18 months, it's for some reason mad that Joe Maurer is a first ballot Baseball Hall of Famer. But

you don't complain a whole lot as far as I can remember about who is or isn't in the Football Hall of Fame. And this weekend, the Steve McMichael thing felt a little heartbreaking and generous and kind to somebody. I don't know how much of the audience knows who this person is, but...

But seeing someone who was that kind of a menace, ravaged by ALS, and Luke Shambi does great work with ALS, Tom Haberstroh does great work with ALS, it is an uncommon prison of horror that you would not wish any of that on anybody you care about to have life slip away like that. So from his home, he was inducted into the Hall of Fame, and it was just...

hard not to be ravaged by that, but that's not what you want to talk about. You want to talk about another Chicago Bear. You want to talk about Devin Hester kick returner. Should he be in the Hall of Fame? You say no. No, I think Devin Hester actually should be in the Hall of Fame. I think where he got carried away was during his speech. He said, hopefully this opens the door for guys like Josh Cripps.

Josh Cribs is not a Hall of Famer. Devin Hester, you are. Josh Cribs, you are not. He's not a Hall of Famer. And I will start caring about the Hall of Fame the way I care about the other Hall of Fames if Josh Cribs gets in because he has no business getting in. He's not a Hall of Famer. We talked about this with Siciliano earlier. Eric Metcalf is more deserving because of the other things he did of making it to the Hall of Fame than Josh Cribs. So Josh Cribs, Devin Hester, I'm telling you, got caught up in the air. He got carried away.

He did not mean that. And if he had the chance to take it back, he would. You don't think he was reading some prepared remarks? You think he erred by saying that? Why do you feel so strongly that Josh Cribs isn't and Devin Hester is? Because Devin Hester, I associate Devin Hester with the greatest kick returner, punt returner of all time.

And I feel... But what's the metrics that you're using? Your eyes? Or when you think? This is the metric. Because like Josh Cribs, up until recently, Josh Cribs had the most kickoff returns for touchdowns ever. You asked the metric, I'm going to answer, okay? When I think about punt returning and kick returning...

The first name I think of is Devin Hester. That's not a metric. It's my metric. It's my metric. Josh Cripps is pretty high up. First thing I think of. Don't you think it's a pretty good standard for no matter the position, even if you're a specialist, that if over the course of an era you were –

One of the first or two names that people would rattle off, you should be a Hall of Famer regardless of the position. We're going to run into this with Adam Vinatieri on the ballot. Hall of Famer. I think you should be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Yeah. You should be a first ballot Hall of Famer because the clutchness, the massive kicks, the fact that he was really good for a really long time, and...

over the course of an era, everybody would say that's the guy. But when I think kick returning, punt returning, the first name I think of is Devin Hester. The second one is Billy White Shoes Johnson. I mean, that's it. Billy White Shoes Johnson. I've never once thought about Josh Gribbs.

For any reason, for anything. Billy White Shoes Johnson, I think he kind of invented it. You didn't think about Josh Cribs like eight times when he was running it back for a touchdown? No, no. He was also into Andrew Siciliano's Metcalf point. Josh Cribs, I think, was a more impact player on offense than Devin Hesser was.

Well-rounded, more well-rounded. Billy White Shoes Johnson, I don't know if he invented the celebration or the spike, but I associated him with a knock-kneed dance of some sort that...

that I believe, I think he sort of created the end zone celebration. Pioneer, yeah. But the metric that Stugatz is using that is not a metric, which is when I think of kick returns, I think of Devin Hester, and therefore that's the only Hall of Famer. I'd like to put that off to the side for a second and return to it.

Because I do like that because I think I side with Stugatz on this. Your numbers be damned. Thank you. But because that's how people do the Hall of Fame. Like, that is how they do it. That's not how the voters do it. That's not people with— That's how they should be doing it. Well, I mean, yes. I'm not taking anything away from Devin Hester by saying guys like Brian Mitchell, guys like Josh Cribs, they should be in this conversation, too, because they were— If you thought Hester was better, OK, but he wasn't much better.

Okay, but I'd like to put this off to the side for a second and have a different conversation. I'd like to object vehemently to what you're saying about Adam Vinatieri. All I am willing to give you at the Hall of Fame for the kickers is a place out back. Oh, man, that's disrespectful. Really? With all due respect. With all due respect. Good question. Because red guy's in there. No, they can put whoever they want in the Hall of Fame. I'm telling you, in my Hall of Fame, you get a guest house out back.

You can have a bridge between the two places, a walkway, a skywalk of some sort. If you'd like to put in a little airport, what is it, one of those treadmills that gets them from place to place? A walkway? No, a moving walkway. But you're out back.

and you're closer to an outhouse than you are to a guest house. You guys don't play football. You're important. I'm not saying that the rules don't make you important, but you're not playing football. Go in the back. Even Mark Mosley? Everybody. He won an MVP. All of you. He won an MVP. So you're anti-first ballot? I am telling, no, I'm anti-putting them in the place where the people collide.

Put them in the back playing a different... So you're saying the structure itself is not connected to the house. It's connected by a walkway. By a breezeway. Hold on a second. They don't get a bust either? They can have a bust, but it has to remain in the guest house. It can't come out in the front. Really? They get a bust. It's because they don't get hit?

It's because they don't play football. Well, hold on a second now. So is there going to be another house in the back for quarterbacks who now can't get hit? Like in the future? Like this generation of quarterbacks can't get hit. I didn't make the rules. You are making the rules. I understand what you're saying. I'm asking a question. The quarterbacks get the master bedroom of the Hall of Fame house. They get the master bedroom. We say main bedroom now. Yeah. Thank you. Primary bedroom.

Yeah, Dan. Different time, Dan. 2024. My goodness. You never spent your COVID nights looking at Zillow, apparently. Added to the list of places where I was unaware that we were using dirt. May I learn that for the rest of my career just like that? I'm learning it in real time. The main bedroom is what the quarterbacks get. Kickers, guest house.

If you want to visit walkway, you could bring your bust with you under your arm. If you want, can they visit the main house? Bus doesn't stay in the main house. Is there a pool? Is it a pool house? There's over the walkway. There's a pool. They can be in the pool. They could, they could do. So it's like the Prince of Bel Air. Yeah. Like where Hillary lived. Yes. What if a kicker wants to go to the main house? Does the kicker need an invite from, from a quarterback? Uh,

No, they can visit the main house. They just can't stay there. They have the amenities of the house. It was a pretty sweet deal in Fresh Prince. Pretty sweet deal. They're adjacent. Nobody else can get into the kicker's guest house. Like, it's not a place for anyone other than kickers. What about long snappers?

There are none of those in the Hall of Fame, are there? That's a shame. Because if you're the greatest ever. They could be in the outhouse behind the kickers. The long snappers. But they have collision contact. They have a lot of equipment. The shed is even better, Roy. Not so much anymore. The shed is even better. Because the outhouse, it's ancient. Does Ed Perry get in? Is it a woodshed? Wow. Right next to the wheat whacker. If things go poorly inside the main house, they take them out behind the woodshed. Yeah, I got what you were doing there.

Because Ed Perry was also TE3, TE2 sometimes. Yeah, but he can't be in the Hall of Fame for anything he did as a tight end. No, but as a long snapper, he was a name. That name can be in... I'm okay with what Roy is saying. When you think long snapping. Ryan Pointbrand. The shed. There's some rust on it. Didn't Mike Leach put a kid in a shed once? Oh.

I believe that was Craig James' son. Complicated legacy. Wait a minute, though. I don't know what the real story was there, but I'm pretty sure Skipper or ESPN got sued by something that happened there. So good work, Billy. I'm pretty sure it's an outhouse that I have to put the long snappers in, but the long snappers aren't. It's empty.

That's a shame. You'd agree that if you were the best at something in NFL history, if I was the greatest long snapper in NFL history, I belong in that building or at least adjacent to the building. So the shed who goes in the building that doesn't have a living facility, even though the owners told us that there would be a living and assisted living facility over there. And they had all sorts of fanfare and press releases. And then the owners just up and decided, hey, we're not going to fund this anymore. Here's an amusement park instead. Yeah.

An assisted living facility would go to some old players. I don't know what position it is that they would play. That would also be on the property. But the shed, what goes in the shed? Because I believe there are broadcasters and writers and others that are also in the Football Hall of Fame. Who do we put in the outhouse? There are no long snappers in the Hall of Fame. You're putting Peter King in the outhouse? I mean, that's...

What are you doing? I was asking about the shed. I don't know whether I put... The shed? That's better? I think they all belong in the same building. I think people can read the plaques and realize, oh, this person didn't get hit that much. I will, in my own mind, take inventory of that. You gotta get hit some.

I understand Billy's point about the quarterback. They've changed it more. I don't mean to throw a wet blanket on this, but if you read about Bernie Kosar the other day and what football has done to his body, the quarterbacks deserve their spot in the Hall of Fame. The kicker's got to go out back. Yeah. No, I think Billy's saying Mahomes, not a Hall of Fame. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Well, you said quarterbacks that are playing these days. No, I asked Dan if by his standards players not getting hit. Tom Brady. They changed the rules all for Tom Brady. So you're saying he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. That's a hotter take than his Simone Biles take today. I can't believe you're running with that take. You guys. Well, no, that's not what I'm saying. You said it. I heard him say it. We all heard you say that. I heard you say it three times. He's asking the questions. Just asking a question.

You said Tom Brady. If they should have a separate house. That's all I'm asking. You sent Tom Brady to the kicker's guest house. I would never. I would never. You said he doesn't get hit. No, I didn't say that. That is what you said. No, I said present-day quarterbacks. He's not presently a present-day quarterback. He's going to play this season. You don't think he's going to come out of the booth and play this season? He feels like he might be. He kind of had a statement that was a little bit like, come get me. You and Stugatz have been saying for five years he's coming back, and now that I'm putting him

in the Hall of Fame and you're trying to take him out. Now he's done. I want him in the main house. You're trying to put him in a separate house if he comes back. Those are the rules. If a team that is competing for a championship suffers a quarterback injury and we're not crazy about their backup situation, Tom Brady essentially said in that situation, I'm open for business. It's amazing. Brock Purdy, you better work on your conditioning. If Dak gets hurt this season...

He better not, for his sake. Do we know what ever happened to the ownership stake in the Raiders? I don't think that was ever finalized. Did it ever finalize? I don't know. Because if it got finalized, it would be more complicated because he would have to divest. Jerry Jones is all in at his age. They start two and three and Dak gets hurt. It's Belichick and Brady who are going to be coaching and quarterbacking your Dallas Cowboys five games into the season. Or maybe the 49ers.

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Don Levitard. Did you watch me at NC State? I was all ACC. I don't have necessarily the mobility, but no one can see over the line like me. Michael, the ACC network job is a good job. It's a stable job. I'm not ready to pack it in. I've got a lot of good football left in me. My footwork is underrated. I can step up in the pocket with the best of them. No one can skate in the field like me.

But wouldn't it be nice to be around the family more often and not have to worry about any injuries? Babe, just give me one more season. Stugatz. Tell you what, I'm not going to therapy. I'm not. Therapy is not happening. Sorry. You need to work on you. There's one person pulling the rope for this family right here, and it's Mike Glennon. This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz.

McLovin actually had a take on Bill Belichick's media career that I hadn't really considered. I know that this very busy schedule of his is really just him angling for his next job, a public perception. McLovin had very inspired takes in that. He was like, well, this is a little strange that a dude that was so not media friendly just gets welcomed in with open arms, just be the guy.

But can we trust you with football analysis? What's your agenda? Are you actually going to be critical? Are you only going to be critical of the jobs that you want? How is this going to work? I can trust Belichick. I mean, we've been trusting John Fox for years. The reason we're so excited is a coach with this resume is never available to broadcast.

It was Parcells probably was the last one. No, but there has never been in the history of coaching, not Jimmy Johnson, not anybody, there's never been somebody who gets all the broadcasting jobs and gets to lord over with giant voice your every Sunday because he's in so many places and anyone he criticizes is going to get aggregated and feed the media machine on a job that you just saw how J.J. Reddick used it. You could just dump a media career. No, I want to go do this.

You kidding me? J.J. Redick was very critical often. He didn't really pull punches. Do we think a dude that wasn't media-friendly at all will give us what we're hoping for? Because Omaha has tapped into this. It's why I'm super excited to have Tom Brady's live thoughts as a game is happening because I've never had someone that great tell me what's happening. I've never had a coach this great weigh in week to week with five weekly appearances and

Are you going to give me what I want? Which is, you know, honesty. Okay, but let's parse this for a second, Stu Gatz, because we around here have been talking for a long time about what comparatively to who Belichick and Brady are, all of the people who are dominating the media space, J.J. Reddick, Pat McAfee, whoever's coming in here, all the smoke, all of the people who are coming in here, none of them

Have the pedigree that Manning has in the football space and now content space. Brady has, because Manning's over here just making quarterbacks and receivers for Netflix. Manning is being paid, God know, like $700 million over nine years for whatever he's going to make. And Belichick and Brady want in that game...

Like they want to be the ones who are the power brokers of not necessarily making all of the content, but Belichick is going to have his voice remain in the game, even though no one would give him the power.

to run a franchise. He's going to remain relevant this season with whatever he's doing with media work that isn't to lose at this game he's playing where he's gonna, he is going to control power and narrative through the media space to be able to see if he can get one of these good positions because he's not going to end his career the way...

You think he's just going to wander away to do media the rest of his life? I mean, he's 14 wins away from becoming the all-time winningest coach in the history of the NFL. This is all, look, man, these people are giant economies. They're not small economies. Well, maybe now that the Bank of Japan raised interest rates. It's all collapsing. Belichick's not doing what Brady and Manny are doing. No, Brady's all in. Belichick is renting. He's doing what Herm Edwards did. No, what these guys are all trying to do. Ruin Arizona State?

Do you imagine Bill Belichick putting on one of those jerseys? They're trying to control money and power. Well, no, I think you're dead on with Belichick. He's trying to keep himself in the game, control the narrative, and stay relevant until he gets a job. But if we're calling it out, do you think that the consumer at large is going to meet Belichick's media appearances with any sort of skepticism? With any sort of...

wondering what is your agenda here? Because it should be part of it because by all accounts, he tried to get higher this offseason, really wants to get this record, really wants to keep coaching. But none of this stuff is going to be met with skepticism. My point is, even if it is, it doesn't matter. Noise around Belichick, whether it's Deflategate or not, like anything around Belichick in terms of noise that keeps his name alive

every week with us talking about it. The idea that the Giants have arrived at the media games, Stugatz, and the amount of work Belichick's taking on, like the amount he's taking on, he's going to be everywhere. I would say, though, that if you're aware of what his agenda is...

That doesn't mean it's going to be less entertaining. In many respects, it could actually be more entertaining if you think that he has an agenda. I'll take a recent experience. Jesse Marsh was covering U.S. men's national team soccer games. He wanted Greg Berhalter's job.

Everybody knew they didn't like each other. And it made for really captivating content because you knew come halftime, if they were level at zero with Jamaica, Jesse Marsh was going to take a big steaming shit all over Greg Berhalter's performance. And he did, and it was great. So you'll be watching on a weekly basis to see who Belichick is unfairly criticizing because that's the job he wants. Or fairly. I'm coming out on the other end of this. No, it has to be unfairly.

As long as we can all acknowledge, because he's lived a pretty charming existence in the media space because everyone's just excited to have him here, wondering how this is going to work out. But if we're all acknowledging that there is a bias and he's going to be going for certain jobs that he likes...

I'm in on this. It'd be great if the Cowboys are 3-0 and he's like, yeah, McCarthy. They should have won that game by 40. You think he's going to go after coaches? I feel like he's going to do that coaching fraternity stuff where he doesn't really take shots at any of the coaches. Well, we're going to be curious to find out. The part that I find interesting about the economy of this, Dugatz, because...

You know, I'm listening the other day at three o'clock in the afternoon and Rich Gannon is doing a show on satellite radio because football breeds just a giant economy of stuff where Charlie Weiss is over here doing something because you can get...

These guys paid for anything. The idea that we're headed into a football season that can feel like pro wrestling because it doesn't matter what the content is as long as you're supplying it. Monday ratings are giant everywhere. What did Belichick say? What did Brady say? The Patriots are going to dominate football while not being in it.

They're going to be able to control everything that's being spoken about because they don't have to go to satellite radio where Rich Gannon is. They get all the best jobs and all the best platforms. And Brady's coming in. I'll give you three hours on Sunday. I'll give you a guest hit here and there. And you're going to pay me $375 million to do it. I can't believe we're at that part of the timeline. When I was growing up and all these old Steelers had TV jobs, I was wondering, what did they do?

And then in the 90s, Jimmy, Michael Irvin, Aikman, they started getting all theirs. We're at that part of the Patriots story now where they're getting the job. But for now. But until they both come back and win the Super Bowl together. With the Cowboys. With the Cowboys. With the Cowboys, yes. Bringing Jerry Jones into the mix. All in. It is all professional wrestling now, though. Like, they...

They can change. They've all realized what the media can do for them after not having a relationship. These two guys, after not having much of a relationship for 20 years with the media, they don't have to join anything. They don't have to join the media anymore. They create the media. They are the media. The Kelsey's.

or their own media, their own entity. They control whatever it is, messaging that they want to get out there. It's in their control. Yeah, but the part that's ingenious about this, though, is that you know how fascinated we are with the gossip, drama, and transaction.

You've got a coach lording over the proceedings who couldn't get a job, who's 14 victories from being the winningest coach of all time. There's no way that he sits out the rest of his career. He's going to be looking for a prime spot. And on top of that, you have the absurdity of a 45-year-old quarterback every time he talks to Jim Gray saying, I'm never going to say never. It's like, what? What?

What? So Brady's going to feel the itch 11 games into the season. He's going to say, I don't know. Somebody's seven and four and they're close and I can just get in there and play seven games. Can Brock Purdy throw a slant if he's looking over his own shoulder? That's going to be hanging.

over the whole season. You know Brady's really regretting that one because the Niners made overtures. Like, damn, I could have done it against Mahomes again.

I bet you he wishes he had that one back. He still has it. Well, he could get it back. He still has it. Here I am, downing him out like, oh, you missed your window, Tom. One hit away. Your windows, for all I know, five years more from now. It's going to happen. It's going to be Brady and Belichick in Dallas, and their season's going to be ended by one of those kickers that I wouldn't put in the outhouse behind the Hall of Fame.

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Don Libetard. Common thread was Stugatz chumming it up with Aaron Rodgers. Yep. I mean, I met my quarterback. Yeah. As you know. As you know. Stugatz didn't talk to Aaron Rodgers. Nope. Stugatz thought country music superstar Jake Owen...

was Aaron Rodgers. They had a 20-minute conversation. Identical twins. I mean, Jesus. Stugatz. Listen, I will never have the relationship with Aaron Rodgers that I have with the guy that I thought was Aaron Rodgers. I mean, that is the greatest conversation I've ever had with my quarterback. This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz.

I don't know about you guys, but I love the original Beetlejuice movie and I'm very much looking forward to Tim Burton's reprisal. There aren't many of these that I look forward to because

Most sequels that are made are not for me, and I tend to generally say, oh, don't make another one of those. You got it right the first time. But it's got a ton of star power. They're trying to do it big with Winona Ryder and Willem Dafoe and Michael Keaton is going to come back. And Justin Theroux is a part of it. Like they're not messing around with what they're trying to do. And for people of a certain age,

That movie, Quirkily Made, is hard to understand how it gets made if not for the giant creativity of all the things Tim Burton is. Because you just saw something come to life in the original that was unlike most movies you'd ever seen, as most Tim Burton movies are. But how do you guys feel in general about Beetlejuice being reprised?

I'm super excited for Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. I won't say it one more time, but my wife and I watched this movie annually. It was a brief re-release in a local theater and we went and that's how we celebrated Halloween, watched a re-release of Beetlejuice. This is very high on the re-watchability rankings for me.

It's a very original film and Michael Keaton's performance in it brings it all the way home. In a moment of vulnerability, I had this with Mike the other day when I hadn't seen Twister, the original, and I went to watch it and me and Mike bonded over the new, you know, the Twister. I haven't really seen Beetlejuice. Really? Yeah. I've seen like of it, like I've seen like clips of it online and stuff, but I've never sat down and watched the actual movie. I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I hadn't watched Interstellar, Star Wars.

start to finish. Wow. I'd only watched bits and pieces. Yeah. I haven't had a reaction to a movie like that in my entire life. Not since White Fang. I've told you that I cried during White Fang when Ethan Hawke is yelling at White Fang, go on, get out of here. Go! When he's trying to protect White Fang from everything. And I cried when I was a little kid then. I'm seeing that as a father of a daughter. Huh.

Waterworks. Waterworks. Tears streaming down my face. I think he's Sir Christopher Nolan now, is he? He should be. If he's not, he should be.

We haven't had a filmmaker come along like this, not since Tarantino. They're just like totally shocked. This is easy. Genius. It is hard to believe. Not unlike Tim Burton. It is hard to believe the things that Christopher Nolan tackles in scope and size. The degree of difficulty is so far reaching as it's hard to fathom. I then watched something immediately afterwards called The Science of Interstellar. Wow.

Let me tell you something. If you yourself haven't listened to Matthew McConaughey try to explain interstellar travel to you while you're three gummies deep. How did you make Beetlejuice about interstellar, though? Because we've got this. Well, he made it about Twister. Yeah.

Christopher Nolan's a CBE, by the way. What is that? So it is. CBE and OBE. Kind of like John Amici. John Amici's an OBE. Which one's better? OBE or CBE? Well, Christopher Nolan has a sir in front of his name, so I think CBE is better. So that's official knighthood? Yeah. They did that right now after I pounded the table for it.

But again, though, we weren't talking about bureaucracy there. Christopher Nolan. Way different. The thread, Dan, like I had never seen Beetlejuice. I saw Twister and then Twister. We went there. Many in our audience are probably watching us right now having not watched Beetlejuice because, you know, if you're younger, Tony's younger and he missed out on that. Don't.

circle back to it. It holds up practical effects and I got very excited when I read that this movie is going to bring back practical effects. Everything is so CGI these days. Mike, the combination of gummies and I was talking about Beetlejuice and you decided to make it about Interstellar and Christopher Nolan. And something called White Fang. Go ahead and check out The Therapy Couch. Wow. What? You've been a little...

You've been uneven lately. You're somehow, you want to be with us, but you don't want to be with us topically. You want to go off on your own. No one wants to be with me. I mean, I threw out the old NFL vets that were promised something, and Dan, I guess, hadn't read it. The owners just said, Dad, we'll take all the fanfare. All right, fine. I was trying to chum the waters. I didn't even believe.

I didn't even believe in that Bill Belichick segment. I had no belief in it. All right, therapy couch. Therapy couch. Talk to the therapist all about it, and thank you for all of your good work around here. I will ask the rest of the crew, do you have a movie that you would give me that you're embarrassed that you cried during? You didn't know what was going on in your life? You just started crying, and you wouldn't want

to admit it. This is a question I love asking the toughest of our athletes for many years, Dugat. It's like a movie that might surprise us that you cried during because I'm ashamed to admit there's legitimate shame as I say this, but years ago, at least in part because of the time in my life, I don't even remember the scene, Ratatouille got me.

Yeah, it got me. Which part? I don't even remember. When he's tasting the ratatouille? Spoiler alert. He tastes the ratatouille. That's the whole movie. He's tasting the ratatouille. Takes him back to his childhood, Dan? I really don't even remember the scene. I just remember the shame involved with how is it that this damn cartoon got me? I'm alone in my house. I'm 47 years old. What is happening here? A cartoon rat. It's happened to something, though. As you get older, man, those things happen. Does it happen to you? Do you have one?

Oh, I've laughed at like sitcoms. I've laughed, you know, I've watched Full House and I laughed at a speech that... But laugh? I'm not talking about... I'm sorry, I've cried when Bob Saget is having a serious conversation with the kids on Full House. And the music plays. It's a pretty bad precedent. Yeah, brings me back to a time. It's weird. It's a punitive measure for a pretty good idea, I thought. And I've been wanting to talk ACC for three months and no one will let me. It's just, I'm running out of...

Running out of patience and generally hurt by it. I came in with like, I was really bought in on the team type atmosphere we were trying to build today. You were saying to God. The Last Dance is another movie I cry every single time. I'm embarrassed. But when Jordan wins that sixth and, you know, he's hobbling around and, you know, it's the last dance. You know, everyone knew it was the last dance. That's what the name of the movie is. It just makes me weep. It does. I mean, he retired too early. I mean, we were robbed.

We were. Roy, do you have something that you have cried during a movie that you would admit to us that would bring some shame to you? I see your eyes are darting around. Are you trying to decide whether you have had it happen or whether you're trying going to deflect because you're always big, tough bravado guy who never cries? No, there's no deflection. I know what the movie is. It's a song.

The Jamie Foxx Pixar movie. What happened? Well, Jamie Foxx's character dies and he's trying to get back into the real world. That sort of thing. I mean, that was a pretty emotional movie. Spoiler alert. Someone died. Did this have any of Beetlejuice, Dan? Is that what you're asking? No. Do you have one for us? I'm trying to think of the last time I cried in a movie. Um...

Maybe the Gerard Butler vehicle, P.S. I love you. Really? Really. Yeah, because he leaves her a video and a note because he's dead. Right. And then she opens the note and reads it and then has the video and then he sets up. The plot holes in the movie, they come to life after you've seen it for a little bit. Not a great movie. It's like, how is this guy...

a year in advance set up all these different things for his wife or his girlfriend whatever it was but there was a moment that got me here but that movie it seems like the idea of that movie is to make you cry is it not sure i think dan's looking for a movie where you weren't expecting to cry that you actually i don't think i've ever i've cried in any other movie huh uh ever ever like ps i love you at like 17 really got me and that was kind of it college game day

Rinaldi. Weekly tears. Weekly tears, yeah. How about Rudy? I mean... Never seen Rudy. What? What? You're actually not missing out. That's what I'm saying. I've gone this far without it. Like, I'm good. Rudy's not that good. Rudy, one of the most overrated movies of all time. It's a propaganda film, if you want me to be honest. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, but when... But you've never seen it. When the custodian, he finally gets into a game, and the custodian who housed him inside the stadium says, I'll be there if you ever play. He lived inside the stadium? He did. He lived in the custodian's office. Not Rudy. No, not Rudy.

Well, he did. He let him stay there for a little bit. He gave him the key. He left him the key. Remember, right? And then Rudy finally plays and he's walking out and he's fist pumping. If you're not crying then, man, I'm telling you, you're not alive. Rudy is overrated. Wow. Propaganda film. Put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Levitard Show.

Is Rudy a propaganda film? Is it not? What's the argument against it? You don't think it's overrated? I'm saying it is. You don't think it's overrated? I'm saying it's both overrated and a propaganda film. It's ridiculous. It's total nonsense. And it's just people want to believe in Notre Dame. And you can hit all the heartstrings with all the sports things by just putting an underdog in there and telling a story that would never happen.

That would never happen in that form. That wouldn't be true in any way and would just be almost entirely fraudulent to lift up the spirit that all of us want to believe in, which is the tiny guy wouldn't get totally trampled and have all his ligaments torn by a giant athlete's cement mixer rolling over him. And Vince Vaughn as a football player? Yeah.

Well, thank you for bringing up Vince Vaughn. Did any of you bring or see him on Hot Ones? Hot Ones is one of the great simple ideas in the history of television. It is so smart. It is for sale, or has it been already sold? It seems like a great, just...

An inspired idea. There are not many of these that we have had. An easy, recreatable idea that celebrities all want to be a part of to market their latest thing. And they just sit in front of the host whose name escapes me and they eat hot things and then try to get through the interview. What happened with Vince Vaughn? Conan O'Brien has...

resurrected himself for all to see in a way that was not, I love him and he never went anywhere for me, but on Hot Ones, a whole lot of people discovered Conan O'Brien. So BuzzFeed, I think, has been taking...

taking in offers because they're trying to sell hot ones. Hot ones, great concept, great light watching. It appears on fast channels. We appear on a fast channel on DraftKings Network. There's an entire fast channel dedicated to just hot ones re-airs. And I've been watching some of those things. But Vince Vaughn made news recently

Because he was recently on an episode of Hot Ones. He's promoting an upcoming show that he did with our good friend Bill Lawrence on Apple TV that I'm excited to see. So they, as you do during Hot Ones, Sean's asking you a question and you respond while you're eating very spicy foods. Did Bill Lawrence ever come here with Vince Vaughn? Because before I left, I was told Vince Vaughn may show up today.

And then we were just waiting around. And then Roy said, no, he may come up at some point in the next few weeks. So Vince Vaughn did not appear last week. We have a range of dates now. September 3rd through the 5th is the date that Apple gave him. We got double booked. We couldn't have him in today. We have a Beetlejuice segment that we're doing. Regardless, you were saying, Mike,

So he was asked about R-rated comedies. And Vince Vaughn, I mean, he had a great epic run in R-rated comedies about 20 years ago. And everybody got really close. Like Wedding Crashers 2 got close to being made. And I think right before they were about to start production on it, they decided we're not going to do this. So we've all been wondering where are the great R-rated comedies going?

And a lot of people kept using the same excuse. The times have changed. Everyone's PC. But it's two different letters put together that Vince Vaughn was really concentrating at. And he put it on IP, that Hollywood is obsessed with IP. So here's Vince Vaughn on Hot Ones explaining why those great R-rated comedies are no more. Hollywood no longer making the kinds of R-rated, wide-release theatrical comedies that were such a tower of strength in your career.

How have you seen Hollywood's interest in making those kinds of films change over the course of your career? And what do you think are the forces at play? Well, they just overthink it. And it's like, it's crazy. You get these rules. It's like if you did geometry and you said 87 degrees was a right angle, then all your answers are messed up instead of 90 degrees. So there became some idea or concept, like they would say something like, you have to have an IP. So for some reason, Battleship...

which is like a game we used to play like a graph, became a vehicle for storytelling. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know. It's so weird. Yeah. Whereas like an IP like John Hughes from our neck of the woods, right? An IP was a girl's turning 16. Like every girl turns 16. Or I'm going to cut school. You know, life situations or old school. What if I got to go back and, you know, be in a fraternity now at this stage of the game? The people in charge don't want to get fired.

more so than they're looking to do something great. So they want to kind of, you know, follow a set of rules that somehow, like it's set in stone, that don't really translate. But as long as they follow them, they're not going to lose their job because they can say, well, look, I crunched the numbers. Yeah, I made a movie off the board game Payday. So you can't, even though the movie didn't work, you can't let me go, right? So people want to laugh. People want to

You look at stuff that feels a little bit like it's dangerous or pushing the envelope, and I think you're gonna see more of it in the film space sooner than later, would be my guess.

The music underneath. Yeah. A bit much, right? Dramatic, yeah. Eat some wings. Rudy-esque. Make me laugh. Make me a bicycle clown. A bit much. I mean, what is he talking about? Seriously. So you guys weren't listening to anything he was saying? It was a bit long. I mean, it trailed off there at the end. Did you not? The music had to be there just to keep me focused on something, right? Okay, so you stopped listening the way that... Roy, what were you laughing about during the end of what Vince Vaughn was saying?

So the guy said in my ear, what is he talking about? Which is what he repeated on him. They weren't listening, and so the music distracted them. I love Vince Vaughn with all due respect. He's great. Well, he said something interesting there that I don't...

Yes. Well, you weren't listening, Stugan. It's confusing. A needle in a haystack, you know? In the middle of it, he did say that the leadership that we are presently seeing throughout creativity is a bunch of people who don't want to get fired instead of people who are trying to make something great, which brings us all around to the original Beetlejuice and Tim Burton, who dares to make great things.

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