Hour 1: You Think You Just Fell Out Of A Coconut Tree?
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I can never get to the places I'm trying to get because we get lost and I meander. And I believe Billy has called me now a bit of a yammer. This takes no inventory of the number of ways that you guys distract me. Dan, huge, huge, huge breaking news. This is going to shake up the entire sports world. It's probably going to shake up the entire rest of our show. Wow.

Taylor came in here and told me the best news that I've heard, I'm going to say all year, the entirety of the year, okay? Are you guys ready? The SEC will not penalize teams for doing Hornsdown. It's not a penalty anymore. Hornsdown is back. We are back.

Is your life different now? Has it changed? Can the you still be done upside down? Oh, I sure hope so. Yeah, but I don't want to do it because my crime really, really gets angry and it kind of scares me. So horns down. He does get angry. He's a Memphis guy now, though. He told us yesterday. It's unreasonable.

What's happening with Mike in that regard? Nobody can talk to him. He's an unreasonable University of Miami guy. The worst manifestations of the worst University of Miami guys you've ever met. I wonder if Memphis beat FSU. I'm going to text him. You're just starting to get to know Mike, huh? Sorry about that.

I tripped over my words. I don't know what happened there. It was a roller coaster. I was scared. I don't want to insult Mike because Mike's in a crazy place right now. I mean, you say in regards to this, I say in regards to everything. I mean, sorry, Mike. We're talking about Mike Ryan? Mike?

So who couldn't do horns down before? Just the crowd or like another team? Yeah, so it was a penalty. So if another team did like a horns down gesture, that was an unsportsmanlike conduct. But now horns down is back. Everyone can do horns down anywhere they want. Is that worthy of the breaking news sounds? Absolutely. For you it is, but for everyone else? Yeah, don't be rude. I'm sorry. How do we feel about...

How do we feel about the sideways you and horns? No? Is this a thing? Sideways? What is that? We have all these rules for regular, down, like, can I do it sideways? Chris, go sit in the penalty box. Okay. It would just be a C. Go sit again in the penalty box. I'm going to try my chances with Billy. I don't love the way that's going to go for me either. The thing I was trying to get to. The horns down? No. Oh.

I've lost interest. I'm going to have a hard time doing this without the connection between video and our executive producer. But the Jalen Brown lip-reading...

involving Bronny. Did you see it, Stugatz? I did see it. I saw his Twitter post, his social media post the day after he realized everyone was reading his lips. It was hysterical. It was funny. At least he didn't shy away from it, though. Well, so everyone, I think, agrees that the Celtics, this hurts me to say this, it hurts me more to say this than to say the Celtics are the champions. The Celtics have one of the best social media teams there are.

And the Celtics media relations team protected Jalen Brown very much from his lip reading. But you guys want to detail for me because I believe it was LeBron and Wade and that group of heat players who sort of showed everybody that the way to talk in public, if you don't want things heard, said, interpreted, is to put your jersey or your hand over your mouth and

In the first row of a game, he said...

I don't think Bronny is a pro. That was the exact quote turning to the people that he was with. And while he might be right, it's still not the type of thing as the finals MVP as you're wearing a finals championship hat as a Celtic talking about a Laker, talking about LeBron's kid that you want to see out there in public like that. A couple things I want to put out in this video. One, you got the generic finals hat.

You still wore that one. You have access to a lot of hats. You wore the generic one. I didn't like that. But what I did like was after he said, Bronny's not a pro, he gave una mueca. Yes. Something smells bad. But it hurts me to say that, but it's true, but I want to be nice about it. Like right there, that's the mueca right there. It's like, damn, I wish he was better. He's not, but I don't think he's a pro.

Tony, that is such a good word. It makes me want to make it the word of the day. Mweka. I want a definition for Mweka because it's exactly what it is Jalen Brown was making. And I know that the audio audience cannot see this, but I'm not going to call it a smirk.

I am going to say that it's easier to read his face than it was to read his lips, which is he's not a pro. I see that on your face. And also didn't really want to be sharing that with anybody. Never mind the world. Not even the I'm dating. It's my girlfriend that was next to me. It's not I don't I don't want anybody to misinterpret what my face has to say, which is.

It hurts me to say this so much that it looks like I'm smelling something bad right now. That's why he went to Twitter immediately and quote tweeted the video as it was going viral and said, It's a flex to have your son alongside you in the NBA. It reflects greatness and longevity. Bronny has all the tools around him to be successful. I look forward to watching his growth. Kick, save, and a beaut. Well, thank you, Stugatz, for saying that.

because it is rare around here when I arrive at the subject matter that slowly makes the rocks that are in Stu Gatz's head tumble and turn. And he's like, Dan, you made me think about something, which is, is LeBron doing this for his son or not? Am I doing this for my daughters or not when I want them to be champions at lacrosse? And of course I'm doing it for them.

But man, it feels good to do it for them. Say I'm doing it for just them when I'm also doing it for me, because I will tell you, I wasn't doing my brother gets to do the art and my dad gets to be on the show for them. I was doing that for me. Right.

Something you wanted to do for them. Now, neither one of these people are my sons, but no, I wanted to do it for me. I didn't want to do it for them. It was not for them. My dad didn't particularly want to do it, and my brother didn't need it. I did that for me because I could. So the only reason I bring that up is because LeBron can do whatever he wants. Like, it's as absurd as... Well, he just did. But it's not just that. Like, he's pushing the boundaries on the absurdity of, yep,

Coach is my podcast host. Yep, son plays for the team. Anyone got any objections? Give me the max. Two years, $100 million, and if you could, you'd have to pay me more for it.

If there weren't a salary cap and you wanted it, it would cost you a lot. You're getting me cheap. You're getting my son cheap. You're paying me and my son the way I make money through clutch management and everything else. I don't think people realize that LeBron's going to be so much bigger post all of this than Michael was with just Nike because he's going to make and do whatever he wants.

Whatever he wants in this sport and beyond it, make movies, media stuff. It's going to be crazy to watch what this competitive of a person does against the McAfees and Peyton Mannings and the Tom Brady's when he gets into this fear that he doesn't have to actually do basketball anymore.

I'm not certain he'll reach the Jordan level. I mean, that's pretty lofty. We'll see. We'll see. I'm not saying he won't. I'm not. It doesn't even have to be money, Stu Gatz. I'm just saying empires. He's going to have players as agents. He's going to own a team. He's going to be able to make movies and content with an ESPN relationship and everything else that allows him to just come over here and say,

Man, the Peyton Manning deal, Stugatz, is like nine years, $700 million with ESPN. It's crazy. Dan, I love that you said all that, but Stugatz still couldn't help turning it into a LeBron versus Jordan debate. He took me there. I mean, he did. You let him right into it. You should have said the same topic. Like, oh, he's going to be bigger than Jordan. You should have known better. You were never going to get a real answer out of him. You want to not be Jordan. How about make your own movie that's not Space Jam? Good point.

He did Trainwreck, right? Yeah, the rest of his movies. Such a good boy by Billy.

That's a good joke by Billy. I'm certain LeBron is doing most of this for his son. Everyone has different reasons, so I'm trying to apply my sensibilities and my story to what it is we're talking about. And I am certain LeBron is doing most of this for his kid, and as you pointed out, some of this LeBron is doing for himself because he wants to play with his son. He wants to show that he still has the power and the leverage, and he's still running the NBA.

And that's a pretty bold flex at the age of 39 for me. But I think he also knows he is putting his son in a great spot. His son's going to make a lot of money if his son somehow can arrive at a place where he's the fourth or fifth guy off a bench or the last guy in a bench. And he does it for 12 years. That's a great career. The importance and value of team sports, all that stuff I'm certain has factored in.

to LeBron and he'll make a lot of money. With me and Rachel, I just try to tell her, hey, don't make some of the mistakes I made growing up because I didn't take, I could have gone D1 lacrosse, could have gone to a place like, you know, Maryland or Syracuse or had I taken it seriously. And so there is a part of me, no question about it, that wants Rachel to succeed because I didn't in that sport. And so, yes, some of this is for me.

But at the same time, it's good for me and I know it's great for her. Summer's the best time to run the way you want. Dial it up with new challenges and programs and bring your workouts with you to make the most of outside sunny days. Stugatz, guess what? What? You know what you can do with Peloton? What? Get the app, go outside, ride a bike. Well, I thought you ride Peloton inside. Well, you do. You can ride Peloton inside if it's a rainy day or if it's cloudy or you just don't want to get outside. Maybe it's too hot.

It's summertime. Go outside. I record a lot from my office with you, and you've noticed it's sitting there, yet it hasn't been used. Well, now's the time. Summer's the best time to start that push, Stugatz. Right. Can we do it together? Not on the same bike, but we could join a class together. I used to do that. We used to have Guillermo Tan. I'd invite people. We'd all take a class together, same time. So I think you're starting to get concerned about my health and my age, Billy. I sense that with you. We're beyond starting. Okay. Okay.

Whatever road lies ahead, your training starts here with Peloton Tread and Tread Plus. It's not just a bike, a treadmill too. I'm going to go outside. I'm going to get in shape. I'm going to do it with Billy Gill. I want to be in your class. I want you to be my instructor. You know what? I won't be your instructor. You don't want to spend more time with me. No, I can schedule a class and we can ride together. I won't be the instructor of the class. We can have Camila could be our instructor. I like the Grateful Dead class. My daughter, she uses the Peloton. Mm-hmm.

She was on it once and an instructor who was playing Grateful Dead tunes. Let's do that. Okay. Why don't we go for a run outside? Guided run. Peloton. Me and you. That's something we can do together. Okay. Turn on the app. Me and you go outside. Enjoy the summer. Call yourself a runner with Peloton at onepeloton.com slash running. All right.

Don Levitard. He seems like a not nice guy, and he's always been a not nice guy. I don't care for him, and I hope he has the day he deserves. Oh! Stugatz. I hope he has the day he deserves. That's how I get people when they're really mean to me. I'm not like, go F yourself. I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve. It's a great kind insult. Yes.

It's beautiful. It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out. That's a less Southern bless your heart. This is the Don Levitas show with the Stugatz. Let me see if I can engage Lucy Stugatz with just a comedic name of a crafty pitcher that she will have no context for that is funny just because of his name. Okay. Frank Tanana. Oh, that's great.

No? Damn. It's going to be hard. Frank Tanana? It's going to be hard. Tanana. It's going to be hard. Tanana. Eh. I didn't say it was bad. I just said eh. Sounds like banana. Yeah, it does sound like banana. I'm not certain Frank Tanana ever reached 80 on the gun. I'm serious. I'm going to have to work on this game to see. I think the goal should be, because Jessica doesn't like this game when we play it with Mike Schur. Mike Schur loves the funny name game. All of his characters in all of his television shows have ridiculous names.

because he, his son, they love to do names. I need to reach you here. So let's see if we can make... The goal of the game should be, can we make Lucy laugh with a funny name of a crafty pitcher just because the name...

It's funny. In the interim, give me the stat of the day music, please. Start of the day, start of the day, it is the start of the day. Start of the day, start of the day, it is the start of the day. Start of the day, start of the day, it is the start of the day. Start of the day, start of the day, it is the start of the day.

I think I've got a really good one. And it allows us to make stat of the day something that can go outside of sports because I would like to start giving people some facts with this that really blow their mind outside of sports. And I think I'm going to surprise everybody in the room with this one. I might not.

You are more likely to die, 15 times more likely to die from a coconut than from a shark. I knew that.

Everyone knew that? Yeah. Really? Everyone here knew that you're 15 times more likely to be killed by a coconut? That's a stat that always ends up on the Reddit thread of like, what's an interesting fact that you know? And I read those and watch those TikToks religiously. Well, get me more of them because I want to learn more things like that.

Because I had not considered the possibility that coconuts were out here killing a great many people, that there were 150 people who died every year from coconuts and only 10 from sharks. But thank you for undercutting it, Lucy. Well, all of you apparently knew. It didn't seem like anybody was surprised by it. Sharks can't fall from trees on your head. That's the thing. It's a classic coconut off the tree, hits you right in the head, you're done. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of...

I forgot the end of this quote. In which you live and came before you. I didn't know, Dan. Thank you, Chris. Do you think more people have access to coconuts or sharks? I guess coconuts, right? Because you think there's definitely places that are landlocked where a shark's not going to kill you, but is that the right climate to grow a coconut tree? I don't know. Ocean, pretty vast. Yeah, but there's lots of people that don't have access to the ocean. Do any of these people die in the ocean from the coconut tree?

Wow, that's a good question, Dan. Does that stat say how many people are killed by coconuts in the ocean? Did it say? Hold on. Let me see how this has this happening. So, yes, probably when people, if the stat were, I think you've got this right.

If the stat, how many people in the ocean have been killed by coconuts, I think it might be sharks that are killing more people than coconuts. People are pretty stupid, though. But only if I'm willing to consider Stugatz's example, which is a person has been hit on land by the coconut, but then staggers into the ocean. Because if it's 10 times as many than sharks...

Maybe of that percentage, more than 10 are staggering into the ocean to die. Can I ask you guys a shark question? So I don't know if you guys saw this over the 4th of July weekend. I think it was actually on the 4th of July. I think that it was in Texas. There was one beach where three different people got attacked by a shark. So I'm kind of wondering...

how you guys handle that because like i feel like if i'm at a place where someone gets attacked by a shark you do you think well that was it that was a shark attack i'm good now or you get out of the water because most people probably get out of the water but like i can understand the logic of well that was a shark attack i'm not going to get attacked right but also it's also airplane like logic after the second time then i think maybe do you think

Well, three people aren't going to get attacked by a shark today. Like, that's crazy. How could that possibly happen? And then it happens. Like this beach has hit its allotment? Yeah. Well, Dan said 10 people get killed by a shark a year. Three in one day. Right. They didn't get killed. They just lost, like, calves. It's kind of traumatic, gross looking. You don't want a shark to bite off your calf or anything. Forgetting off the top of my head. I had a classmate get attacked by a shark.

It's a baby shark, though. Not the song. That one, honestly, the baby shark song did a bad job of making baby sharks seem friendly like they can't attack you. But my friend from high school, Ricky Lavinia, we weren't friends at the time. He was cooler than me. Ricky Lavinia got attacked by a shark, bit into his side. I was on vacation. I came back to that news. It was like Memorial Day weekend. Little baby shark. One year.

It was like seventh or eighth grade, yeah. A lot of traumatic things. Have you tried to reconnect with that guy? Because now that you have a really cool job, you can be like, I'm cooler than you now. I feel like I may hear from Ricky LaVigna in the coming days. Do you do that, Chris? No, I don't do that. But if I had a bully, I may have had a bully in high school. I make sure I friend request a kid or two. Let's clear Ricky's name. I never said Ricky was a bully. I said he got attacked by a shark. Well, he was too cool for you. You implied at one point. No, I said he was cooler than me.

Lots of people are cooler than me. In fact, like 90% of the people are cooler than me. I don't think anyone's cooler than you when you're walking through security doing guns out to only ease. That was my moment. I peaked there, yeah. Your coolest moment. That was my Letterman jacket moment. Well, what's going on with you? Because you say you're peaking. In general, I have no idea. Well, I've got a question for you because it seems in some places like you might be trying to grow because...

I understand you're now trying to aspire to social clubs that you're you've told you've told Tony that you will not come tonight. And he told you not to come. And you said, if you're not invited, I don't come to places. I'm not invited. I don't think you would go if you were invited. But you are now are you trying to be a more sociable person?

No. Well, I mean, first of all, I didn't tell him I wasn't going to come. I was told not to come, so I didn't go. I have this thing, and I don't know if you guys were similar. The answer is no. I don't think any of you were similar. But if you go back to high school, there would be times where there's parties where there was a list, right? And I just wouldn't go because I didn't want to face the embarrassment of not being on the list without even knowing if I was or wasn't, without knowing if I would be put on this list.

If there is a list at a thing, I probably just don't show up because I just assume always I'm not on the list. So like for Tony's thing tonight, Tony tonight, I was told don't come to Tony tonight. So I didn't come to Tony tonight because I was asked not to come specifically. And I don't want to get here and then have Frankie tell me you're not allowed in. You're not on the list. How embarrassing is that? And this is like a long drive for Frankie to then tell me, turn around. You're not on the list. You can't come. And I'm like, well, I work here. And he's like, well, you're not on the list. You're not going into Tony tonight. So I wouldn't show up because I don't want to be turned away.

And social club, yes. I am somewhat involved in a social club, if that's what you want to call it. I'm involved. Somebody like a Knights of Columbus kind of thing? Like the Rotary Club, Moose Lodge? Like, what are you doing? It's a burger club. Oh, nice. Yeah. So, Burger Beast down here, he has a burger club that you can, anyone can be part of it, really. I shouldn't be telling the secrets. But that's how you just, you know, follow his Patreon. You can become a member of the burger club. No, but you're great. No, what do you mean you shouldn't be telling secrets? Well, because I don't know if I'm supposed to be publicizing this and then the burger club gets out.

out of control because too many people want to join the burger club. I think Burger Beast would like if it gets out of control because it's under, behind a paywall. Well, here's the thing. So you can subscribe to his thing. You can join his Patreon. You become a member. Then you're part of the burger club. And then every once in a while there's burger meetings. And in these burger meetings I attended one this week, you get previews of different burgers and different, like, I had croquetas that I tried. But here's the thing that I don't know is...

They're products before they're launched. So I don't know if I'm allowed to tell people the products that I'm sampling. Like I won't tell you the brand because I don't know if I'm allowed to tell the brand.

I had an arroz con pollo croqueta. Be careful. That was like, what is this? How did we come up with this? That sounds wonderful. And there's a company that was testing this, and I tested it, and it was delish. But I don't know if I could say the company because I don't know if these are secret things. I don't know. Are these like friends of the show people? I'm new to the club. I'm new to the burger club.

So I don't know quite yet if it's a secret society. And I don't know if I'm allowed to be telling people what is going on at the burger meetings. The first rule of Burger Club is don't talk about Burger Club. I mean, everyone knows that. But to Tony's point, it helps Burger Beast if you follow him and you join the Burger Club, I would assume. So there's probably a certain amount that you want to publicize it. But I also don't want to then, you know? It's a little tease.

Are you looking for ways to get out of the house? Is that essentially what's going on? No, I'm actively looking for ways to stay in the house. Put it on the poll, please, at Levitard Show. Would you join a club that only sits around talking about burgers? The coconut death is real, guys. In 2010, the Indian government removed all coconuts from the trees surrounding the Gandhi Museum because they were worried they would hit President Obama in the head while he was there and potentially kill him. Could you imagine?

Where are you getting your coconut facts that everyone seems to know? Death by Coconut Wikipedia page. Okay. What else is on there? Is there anything else on there? Yeah, there's a reference to all the times it's been referenced in pop culture, which includes Gilligan's Island, a song called Killed by a Coconut written by Shel Silverstein. Bob Denver apparently had a lyric about coconuts killing people. Keith Richards.

There was a rumor that Keith Richards had a concussion based off of being hit in the head by a coconut, but really he had just been drunk and fell out of a tree.

I have a concert question for you guys, for the class, for all of you who want to participate in this. So it was revealed that the person that performed at the All-Star game that is now in rehab actually opened a concert that both Tony and Jeremy were at a month ago. So they saw this person perform and they were unaware of this. Do you guys have people that opened a concert for you that then went on to be like big stars that you didn't realize at the time? And then you look back and like, oh my God, like this person's huge.

Jim Carrey opened at a comedy club in Los Angeles one time, the first time I ever saw Jim Carrey. Really? Yeah. Do you remember thinking to yourself, as you're watching him do his thing, are you thinking to yourself, this guy's going to be a massive star? Yes, of course. Did he do all righty then? I'm kind of that. You're a visionary. Yes, I'm that kind of talent scout. Comedic visionary. Yes, I foresaw everything that he had. No, he was clearly very tamed.

Very physically talented. Who was the main guy? Who was the main comedian that night? I think it was Louis Anderson. I think so. I think so, yeah. Worst Family Feud host.

Put it on the poll, please. That Levitard show was Louis Anderson. May he rest in peace. The best family feud, the worst family feud host. And also put it on the poll. Did you know that 15 times more people died by coconut than shark every year? Did Jim Carrey steal the show that night? He was pretty great, but it was a pretty, yeah, everybody was pretty great. But yes. Was he smoking? Yeah.

Two minutes? No, that's all right. You can stay. We've done a poor job, I think, of, again, promoting both pitch count and... Pitch clock. Jesus! Did you know Louis Anderson was on a celebrity diving show? No.

Yes. I think with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, right? No way. Yes. Well, wait a minute. Look at that list of people. Those were the two best. No. No, those were the two best. I want to bring that back. Those were the two best. So the show, Pitch Clock. Oh, Chris, hit it. Splash. The show, Pitch Clock with Jeremy and David Sampson. Ah, not David Sampson every week. He'll be there sometimes. I know.

It's called the pitch clock. We play a nostalgic trivia game because we just like naming old baseball players, but then I'll also speak to an expert every week. That's where David Sampson might come in and we will force feed modern baseball information down your throat. And it's because Dan, look, I know what the fans of this show are most interested in. Lucy doesn't want that. It's,

baseball and hearing more of my voice. Yeah, Lucy doesn't seem to be interested at all. But we've also done a very poor job of celebrating and advertising Tony Tonight. Big night. That's actually part two. Tony Tonight coming up. We're actually filming some stuff in August. Exciting Tony Tonight episodes coming soon.

Is it featuring the pitch count? So tonight is not. Wait, so what's today called? Tonight's the Tony show, as you can see above. This is a hockey show all over again. The Tony show. The Tony show tonight, but Tony tonight is not tonight. Tony tonight has always been a clip during the day, too. Yeah, that's odd. But the hockey show is the post-game show. Why is that? Because the post-game show was not the hockey show. No, but also, the Tony tonight never airs at night. I know, because we shoot during the day. Then why is it called that?

Tony today. So just to be clear, tonight, Tony's hosting the Tonight Show. Bingo. Yeah, you got it.

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Don Levitard. Your history with him suggests three years of heaters. Those are the heaters. Three years of heaters, but this Stugatz, my partner enlivened by a sports team. We're having sex, baby. And Joe Maurer, yes, like this is the best version of him. What? Stugatz. No, you are. Yeah. Feels good. This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz.

Stugatz, I know that many people in our audience, beyond our audience, think of me as an overly woke know-it-all. So I am going to admit to all of you listening to this that I often feel like a total fool because I don't know where my blind spots are.

as it relates to women, and I'm forever learning from my wife things that teach me that coming from a Cuban background where all I saw was women serving men, that I have some things wrong that I've never before seen in my life, that I am grateful that I have a woman I love and trust to teach me.

And the reason I bring all of this up is because I walked in the other day and my mother, or my mother, Freudian slip, my wife is looking at... Very Freudian. The most Freudian. As Freudian as it gets. Yes, that's the maximum Freudian slip. That's correct. She's looking at the phone and she just, one single sort of spit laugh...

That wasn't really a laugh. It was sort of a dark laugh. And it's because she was reading a tweet that pointed out that a certain kind of book for women is put in the self-improvement section.

And that same kind of book for men is put in the leadership section. Because men sort of need a whole bunch of things to cover up their insecurities so they can maximum man out. And Dana White can say what a man Trump is because the brave thing to do is stick your head out when there's an active shooter. That's what a man does. A man sticks his head out.

and shows people how much of a man he is when men can largely, I am proof, be idiots, be coddled, and in the cases of Greg Cody, Tim Kirkshin, and me...

The women are often raising men the same way that they're raising their kids. Greg Cody knows how to do like one thing and everything else about him as a child. Tim Kirksha knows how to do one thing and everything else about him as a child. I've been Abby's toughest project. I mean, seriously. Well, Greg Cody is still not grown. Both of Greg Cody's kids are more grown than he is.

And I, too, am lumping myself in here. But I give you all of that as context because I really do think some of what's happening as men gather around and are like threatened by confident, badass, trash talking women who might be more competitive and tougher are

than some of the men that you think are so tough. When Asia Wilson does this in a game to her teammates, now keep in mind, this is the best of the best in that sport. We can obsess with Kaitlyn Clark and everyone else, but this is the best that there is. And the Aces lost a game.

And Asia Wilson's not here to meet Usher. She's here to crush everybody and doesn't really want her teammates fooling around with Usher after a game because haha, Usher's here. Isn't it cute? Asia Wilson wants to kill everybody. Crusher. As Reese was getting some love from her coach. And Asia Wilson did all that she could do with another double-double, 28 points, 14 rebounds.

But Usher and Asia Wilson. I will tell you, Stugatz, in a moment that hurts me to admit, okay? Very young in my dating life, I was dating a Rutgers basketball player who just crushed me one-on-one basketball. And I couldn't handle it. I couldn't handle...

That I couldn't be good enough to play with her. You couldn't handle the losing. Like, how badly did she beat you? Yeah, she was a college basketball player. Dominated you. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Like, I wasn't able to do it. I thought I was something.

And what came out of me after that was not confident. So what I wanted to ask the group on this, because I do believe this is going to happen. I believe as more and more people start paying attention to women's basketball, they're going to be made uncomfortable by how competitive it is because they're used to seeing men that way. And when Caitlin Clark gets pushed, we don't know enough about ourselves or the sport

to not have an overreaction when women are as competitive or more competitive or tougher than men. That we don't know how to process it, don't know how to talk about it. And so we'll see Asia Wilson do this or be more competitive than this and be made uncomfortable by something not appearing quote unquote ladylike.

That was a very normal, rational thing from Asia Wilson. It wasn't really weird, and it's also not out of Asia's sort of... Asia's, without a doubt, the best player in the WNBA right now, but she's probably the best competitor in the WNBA. Earlier this season, the Aces went through kind of a nasty losing streak, I believe five or six games, and Asia Wilson cried at a press conference about it. She is someone who takes losses...

And, you know, not winning very, very deeply and internalizes that. So when you see her kind of making that remark of you guys didn't do shit all game and now you're taking a picture with Usher, like that was legitimate, but it's also a very normal thing. And I haven't seen much of a reaction of that's not ladylike. I think you should just kind of evaluate what ladylike means. It doesn't mean f***. It doesn't mean f***ing anything. That's a made up f***.

That's correct. I like that, Lucy. This reminds me of a play-by-play thing that would happen with Jimmy Butler where he's calling out other guys on the team for going to see somebody who's a star, but then also taking a picture and hugging the person who's a star. Oh, that's the most Jimmy Butler thing that exists. But Asia Wilson is not the only one. Let's be very, very clear. We had this discussion when Kaitlyn Clark had those couple of nights where they had hard fouls and everyone was complaining.

Women are competitive. Women athletes are competitive. And for those of you who don't know that by now, it's simply because you haven't been around women's sports. You haven't been paying attention. They're fiercely competitive. Why would you think they're any different than men when it comes to that? Right. This is not some, like, brand-new discovery. Right. Anyone paying attention to women's sports should already know that. Oh, but I will tell you that one thing that is new, like, you say this is on brand for Asia Wilson. Yeah.

I have not seen a whole lot of male athletes get caught publicly saying, hey, my teammates were shit and just lost. I was okay. She was great. She's all right. I was okay, but my teammates were shit. Go back to Jimmy Butler. He said it quite a few times. I'm just saying you don't see it that often, and if you see it, we will make a lot of controversy around someone making themselves. Someone pointing out, look, I've told you guys before, okay, one of the great,

Crimes in sports is knowing how good you are unless you win because we don't like arrogance. We prefer humility. So when someone as a teammate who you already don't like for whatever your reasons, she's a woman, she's black, whatever your reasons, you don't like this person. When that person does something that puts her above the team, that person better win.

Because that is not something I see a whole lot in male sports. The public giving off of being okay with my teammates sucked and I was great and

And I'm the reason we win. And they're the reason we lost. But you have to be someone where that is the case in order to say it. She is. She is. LeBron is. Michael is. Certain people are. It's when you get to other people saying it where it gets ridiculous. But I don't see a lot of the best in sports actually doing that. Now, Stugatz, they feel that way on the inside. All of them. Yes. Very few say it out loud in ways that are caught by cameras so that everyone...

Everyone can hear, hey, I know I'm better than my teammates. And incidentally, that's actual leadership. Yes. When she says, you guys are this okay with losing? I'm not. And I'm doing more than you are. I think it's important to have the context of teamwork.

the aces have won the last two championships in this league they have far and away been the best team in the wmba for years now and they are a team that like doesn't kind of mind you know being tough to one another or sort of like giving the jab where it's needed this is very normal behavior for any sports team and it's very normal for the aces like this kind of feels like a

big giant nothing burger to me. You're saying no one on that team is surprised by what Asia Wilson had to say. No, I mean, she's a leader. She's a fierce competitor. She's called out teams before. And I also think it's important, like the Aces have been so good the last few years. They've really struggled this season compared to the last couple of years. They've gone through losing streaks. They've had a ton of injuries. Like this is a team that's kind of dealing with losing for the first time in a while.

And it's all like a very normal reaction. And I kind of like hate this conversation, if I'm being totally honest, just because it is never, ever a conversation we would have about anything else. Like if this clip were an NBA player and in a football,

NFL player, it'd be a funny TikTok that we'd scroll past and then that would be the end of it. So I don't... This is very normal behavior. Do you think I'm making it a controversy as opposed to just interesting? I think men are. I don't think it's you. I think it's just people who are experiencing watching competitive women for the first time in their life and it's just something that their tiny brains can't handle. But Lucy, I have a tiny brain and I'm telling you, if someone did this on an NBA team, I would pray... And if they were good enough...

I would praise them for their leadership. I would say that's leadership. That's how you do it. I think the point would be to just sort of skip past maybe the first part of the conversation, the conversation that people are having. Like we should either be crushing Asia Wilson or praising Asia Wilson and just talking about it in that respect. That's the thing where we need to get with these sports. Stop being like surprised that Asia Wilson, this all,

unbelievable athlete. Oh, she's competitive and speaking with snark about her teammates. That's what Jimmy Butler would do or another great player in the NBA. And we take that video and half of us would laugh at it and half of us would crush it.

I would say that some of us would get uncomfortable once it escalates to Udonis Haslam and Spoh want to fight you. Once it gets to that point, I'm guessing that that is the place where that stuff gets sort of extreme, where Udonis Haslam doesn't like so much that you're telling everybody that you're better than he is.

Summer's the best time to run the way you want. Dial it up with new challenges and programs and bring your workouts with you to make the most of outside sunny days. Stugatz, guess what? What? You know what you can do with Peloton? What? Get the app, go outside, ride a bike. Well, I thought you ride Peloton inside. Well, you do, you can ride Peloton inside if it's a rainy day or if it's cloudy or you just don't want to get outside, maybe it's too hot.

It's summertime. Go outside. I record a lot from my office with you, and you've noticed it's sitting there, yet it hasn't been used. Well, now's the time. Summer's the best time to start that push, Stugatz. Right. Can we do it together? Not on the same bike, but we could join a class together. I used to do that. We used to have Guillermo Tan. I'd invite people. We'd all take a class together, same time. So I think you're starting to get concerned about my health and my age, Billy. I sense that with you. We're beyond starting. Okay. Okay.

Whatever road lies ahead, your training starts here with Peloton Tread and Tread Plus. It's not just a bike, a treadmill too. I'm going to go outside. I'm going to get in shape. I'm going to do it with Billy Gill. I want to be in your class. I want you to be my instructor. You know what? I won't be your instructor. You don't want to spend more time with me. No, I can schedule a class and we can ride together. I won't be the instructor of the class. We can have Camila could be our instructor. I like the Grateful Dead class. My daughter, she uses the Peloton. Mm-hmm.

She was on it once and an instructor who was playing Grateful Dead tunes. Let's do that. Okay. Why don't we go for a run outside? Guided run. Peloton. Me and you. That's something we can do together. Okay. Turn on the app. Me and you go outside. Enjoy the summer. Call yourself a runner with Peloton at onepeloton.com slash running. All right.

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