Local Hour: Our Senile Old Man
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Warning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Greg, this is what I always imagined the Shadow Show to be. Why don't you describe for the audience what is presently happening to me as we prepare for the show? Well, you're having makeup applied. I'm not making that up, which has been my standard makeup joke for about the last 40 years. Gotta play the hits, man. You have to. I mean, seriously. You know what?

There's not enough makeup in the world, Dan. How would you describe, Greg? I just went to you because we're not on video to describe for the audio audience what's presently happening to my face because they can't see us. So not just am I getting makeup applied. What is happening specifically? A brush is brushing your nose. It's got to tickle a little bit. I don't know what's being implied because I don't speak English.

You know, I don't know the lingo. You just have that one joke you've been using for 40 years. Yeah, exactly. I'm not making it up. You want to describe like contouring and stuff like that? I want the audience. I want the audience. This is the most precious audience to me, this one right here, the one that only hears what we're doing. I love the audio version of this the best.

And right now, Jesse is running gel through my hair under my headphones. And I just wanted you to describe it for a group of people like an old timey baseball guy. You're in the center of something that people really love. She's doing the best she can with that hair. My point is, if we're gathering, we've got I don't know how many people are here right now. Three minutes of tailgating before this nonsense starts every day.

But whoever it is that's here would love to be in the center of what's happening every day. But they can't see it right now. So I'm leaving it to you, a wordsmith, to describe it. If you quit talking and give me a chance, I'll start describing it. Right now you're having mascara applied. You're having rouge applied.

mascara lip balm the spritz the spritz you can just you don't have to make it up you can just describe what i'm not making it up i already said that you're really backseat driving this thing huh i mean seriously levitard spends a minute and a half talking non-stop about how i should be describing something he doesn't let me get a word in edgewise

This guy. I need a shovel and a hoe to get a word in Edweiser. My favorite part was, now I'm presently getting my hair gelled under my headphones. Greg, can you describe what is happening? It's so ridiculous what's happening right now. You gotta apply the gel around the headphones. So when he takes off his headphones, there's gonna be a little strip, a landing strip of hair that's not gelled. It's gonna look ridiculous.

Okay, just you guys, I want you guys, all of you close your eyes for a second. Can you guys close your eyes? Don't look now? Don't look now, none of you. I want you guys, I just, please, all of you close your eyes. Billy, I'm asking you too. My eyes are closed. The audience won't know the difference. Well, your eyes are open. No, because I'm about to quiz you guys. We have a big development.

Dan is now having false eyelashes applied. And can I be honest? They're a little bit showy. They're a little bit gaudy, these false eyelashes. They must be about an inch long each. It's ridiculous looking. I mean, come on. You're not making that up. Jesse actually pulled the longest eyebrow hair from my eyebrows yesterday. It was something to behold. Oh, I've got a couple of grays in the eyebrows. That hurt.

It's more than just the eyebrows. She takes a little plucker and she plucked it out. It was like the longest hair I've ever had. That was cruel. I've just decided the beard's got a few in there. Wild Billy Wednesday. Oh, you stumbled onto another Wild Billy Wednesday. Hold on to your hats, partners. It's about to get wild. Oh, no.

I forgot it was Wednesday. The hockey playoffs have ransacked me. I don't know what day it is anymore. I'm assuming you guys, after years of ESPN where we pretended to care about the hockey playoffs because our team never mattered, I'm assuming that you guys are tired and

And happy to have had the last few days off to be able to get your heavy tongues together. Too much partying, too much enjoying being excellent. You know how rare this thing is to be playing at the top of the sport against this titan, against this guy, you know, Otani of hockey. It's the best team versus the best guy. It's Paul Maurice. This is the best team of my life.

I've had my life perspective altered by the depth of this team. It's sort of ultimate hockey grit against giant from all times for all times. You're describing what I was hoping in these few days people would be able to contextualize how amazing this cup final is. There were many people in the media sphere that cover that.

that sport specifically saying game seven last year it's one of the biggest hockey games of all time if not the biggest hockey game of all time given that a team was up 3-0 given that you had the best player in the world looking to accomplish a 3-0 comeback in the cup final and here they are after Matthew Kachuk tells Skinner in the handshake line we'll see you next year they're back

They're both better than they were last year. Well, this is the crazy part, right? Because Greg Cody is now in the middle of it again, right? Chris, how much does your father know about this controversy now where a national hockey podcast is coming after your father? Your father, we will whisper this to our audience. I don't know that he can name any other Oilers other than Dreisaitl and...

And Stuart Skinner and all the others. I just gave you that one. I'm sorry, I wasn't listening. Regardless, it'll be our secret. He says McDavid's overrated. It's a serious thing. And it's been international controversy for two seasons because now we've got a rematch. And think about what you just said. Last year's Panther team, obviously the best team of all time. Now this one, considered better.

And what? Who's favored in this series? Who should be favored in this series? Dude, they're both favored. Yeah. The house is just completely satisfied taking the VIG here. It's just sort of like, we'll run in the 10% of you. You'll bet both sides of this because we know what this game means. This...

To me, this part is the greatest part. Canada and the United States. I saw Chris and Mike go crazy in the middle of the season and say, it doesn't matter whether Kachuk gets hurt for the rest of three seasons. He's got to win on behalf of the flag right now. So you've got the patriotism going back and forth. And again, the swamp threatens to take Canada's sport away from them. And when both countries

Countries know, yeah, that player's great and he's great for all time. He's a king for all time. And I can't believe that that team survived being down 0-2 against the Kings, down last five minutes of game three, down last five minutes of game four, and then 12-2 since then. A buzzsaw.

that proves to you, oh, this guy can score two goals every game, can dominate every game in a way no other player in the sport can. And are blowing up blueprints the same way that the Florida Panthers are. Kings, they're trying to figure out what is their identity. The Dallas Stars probably firing Peter DeBoer. They've been – you want to talk about a team that's suffering. Dallas made it to a cup final in the bubble, has been eliminated and bounced from the Western Conference Finals several consecutive years.

They are absolutely doing in the Western Conference what Florida's been doing in the East. I saw a scary stat for Panthers fans. Every team in NHL history that has lost their first two playoff games and then made it to the Stanley Cup Final has won the Cup. And there are some big teams in there. Okay, but let me reiterate what I just said from when they were down 0-2 at the start of this postseason.

12-2 since then. This is Edmonton. They've now got home ice and they've got the acknowledged best player in the world. It's no slight on the Panthers, but the Panthers were champions last year. They're better. Edmonton came within a goal of doing something no one in the sport ever had coming down from 3-0. They're better. 12-2 through the postseason, through that conference when we saw how high the top of the sport was. Ten hundred point teams.

But no, the Panthers were going to turn something else on in the playoffs, and they buzzsawed through their side. What we're saying is that both teams are better, and now it's a fight at the top of the sport, and the best player in the sport, and a player for all time, has home ice advantage. Roy, the entire time we've been a show, you've been passionate about hockey. Is it safe to say that in terms of talent level, team quality...

Anticipation. This is the most anticipated Stanley Cup final since maybe the rematch of Penguins-Detroit Red Wings. Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. Considering last season's series, yes, I think this is probably the most anticipated. Because this one, everybody's going for the Oilers right now. It's pretty split. I've seen ESPN at eight people pick. Wait a minute. I thought everyone picked against the Panthers in round one. They did against Toronto as well.

Okay, no favorite in this series. We're acknowledging, Greg, you're in the middle of the controversy again. Can we play this sound? Can you guys tell me the historical context of this podcast that's now attacking Grandpa Greg Cody for saying that McDavid is overrated? Well, historical context are two young guys. But the What Chaos Show has been great. Pete Blackburn is a great follow on social media. If you love hockey, he's

everything through a humorous prism. He's great. He's in our hockey group chat. Chris Cody just learned that as he was shit-talking his dad the entire day yesterday in the group chat. I was agreeing with him. Yeah, to Chris's credit, he makes up a lot of good points. In this podcast clip, this guy, Pete Blackburn, is wearing a white hat, and I didn't

know him by name and he like they send the clip and apparently this guy's in the chat I don't I just know I see phone numbers so I don't know wait so just give me the backstory here so how have you now inserted yourself into a popular hockey podcast how have you done this well because the the clip was put in the group chat and then Mike kind of knowing I'm in the chat is like be careful everyone Chris is in here like let's not go too hard here and then I responded I agree with white hat kick those people out of the group chat

Immediately. I want to tell you how this started. Roy texted me yesterday morning and saying, hey, these guys are friends of mine. They want to have you on the show. Guess what? I was available all day. I even said to Roy, yesterday is a good day for me if they want to get me. The cowards did not even reach out to me to be on there.

She's so happy about that. The coward did not reach out to me. They just wanted, well, not the other guy, White Hat, just wanted to trash talk me without giving me the chance. And here I'm on the Dan Levitard show. Dan is continuing the myth. Now we're referring to Conor McDavid as the all-time greatest, as Otani. And guess what?

you can't be a king if you don't have a crown. He's the uncrowned champion. Everyone's clear on why you think Connor McDavid is McOverrated. Let's play the clip. Let's play the clip so he can contextualize himself why he didn't want you on the show. It's the laziest, stupidest...

- mailed in column that this guy probably hasn't watched a second of the Oilers. - I have indeed. - That's columnist behavior though. - I hate it. - I love that people like this exist though. - This is way lazier. This is, he's not making any sort of like

or strong point that you can agree with. He's just like the Stanley Cup thing is fine. You can have that argument that like you can't truly be considered one of the great until you win a Stanley Cup. But saying that's part of a reason why he's overrated right now in the middle of his career is so stupid, so lazy, so dumb. It's been trotted out there 900 million times for 900 million athletes. He's not doing anything new. He's just f***ing

replaying and moving the pieces back into place so that it fits the narrative against the team that the Panthers are going against. Those young guys are good.

I agreed with everything they said. That's what I said. I was like, I agree with them. I'm on their side on every argument. I stand against Greg Cody. I stand, Greg Cody, let's let Greg have the floor because Mike, this is the thing, okay? For people who've been here for two years, and Roy, you tell me whether I have this right or not.

We're sitting here doing this show through two playoff runs unlike anything we've sort of felt in the history of South Florida. Three, Papa. Three. Don't short us. Okay, so forgive me. Three. And in that time, as Mike was saying about how teams get sliced up, in that time, please respect this part.

Florida took out Tampa, the previous champion, nuked the blueprint of Boston and the Rangers, who seem like a long time ago because now the king is in Edmonton. And the eyes have been here for a while because these two teams have ascended to the very top of the sport where everyone's watching this. No one knows who's going to win. It is very much the

star against team. We know both of these teams are better and I don't want you to dumb it down to McDavid is overrated either, but people who've been listening for two years know that this show got scared last year of billboards and everything else. Mike Ryan, a crazy person.

Just insane. Refused to allow me to put up billboards in defense of you and Edmonton because he thought we were going to jinx whatever happened and our show would be forever cursed. Which we almost did. Blew a 3-0 lead. Just an asinine. Just an asinine. You are the greatest player. And I don't know if you've looked into his eyes this offseason, but it is a scary thing. I'm not looking. Scary quotes. This is the thing. This is what I can't keep happening around here because I want the...

the stakes maximum escalated. Mike Ryan is deathly afraid that on this platform, you're going to say something on our behalf, on South Florida's behalf, on the Panthers' behalf, that enrages an all-time great. And we're with the young guys. They're smarter about hockey than you are. You just came over lazily and gave the newspaper take of, that guy hasn't won anything.

overrated. Yeah, it's funny that you're jumping on board him calling it a lazy opinion when nobody else in North America has that opinion. It's fair. If I'm alone... Yeah, because it's asinine. No, it is an asinine. I want to defend my dad a little bit here. Why? In that clip, in that clip,

He like throws a throwaway line of agreeing with him. Yeah. Okay. Good point on the Stanley Cup stuff. That's really all my dad is saying. Because it goes without saying, if a guy is considered one of the greatest of all time, he's going to need a cup. And I understand your point in saying like middle of his career, he's been in the league for 10 years. You know what that makes him?

28 years old. I understand. That makes him 28 years old. I understand. He's got about five to six more years of being this kind of elite talent. Let's judge him then at the end of it. I mean, it goes without saying he's going to need to win at least a cup to be considered in the same conversation with Wayne Gretzky. But in terms of individual talents, this is a guy that won the Conn Smythe.

As you were calling him overrated. So he's the best player in this series by quite a bit. Which is, in and of itself, is ridiculous to give the con smith to a losing player. Con man smith. Con man smith is more like it. Billy is right on the mark with a bullseye on that one. Bullseye, right to the heart. Listen, you guys keep referring to him as the king. He's uncrowned. Okay, let's start there. You just can't...

hop on board something that that makes no sense okay it doesn't make any sense to say oh give him another five years he's when he's already had 10 it's a team sport he's the best yeah he's not you know what there's five skaters on the ice just like there's five players on the wood in basketball guess what michael jordan did okay as the best player on a team he won championships

In the same city, Edmonton, a guy named Wayne Gretzky won about five Stanley Cups for the city of Edmonton. He was just one guy, too. But he was a guy who rose above it all and carried his team in a way that McDavid has not yet. I've never said McDavid was not a great player. But now you see the rest of the media sort of coming on board. I read a headline. I think it was on ESPN yesterday. And the headline was something to the effect,

McDavid's back is to the wall. He needs to win a Stanley Cup. That's what I said last year and I continue to say it. It's not a denigration of his talent. It's just to me, it's stating the obvious, but I was the first one to state that obvious. Mick overrated is not a denigration of his talent? No, because here's why, Mike. Here's why.

He didn't assign himself that plateau. Okay, you know who did? The media did and fans did. We, and I don't include myself, we were the ones saying he's the king. You mean McJesus. McJesus, right. You came up with McOverrated. You came up with McOverrated. Right, right. Everybody in the media, all the fans, not just in Canada, are saying this guy. Nobody ever, anybody like him, he's number one all the time. He's pretty great. Everyone agrees. Right. Everyone agrees. Everyone wants him. He's not that great.

You guys think that you're going to be friends with Conor McDavid? Like, I don't understand all this ass kissing and Peter Blackburn. Who cares what Peter Blackburn thinks about anything? Why are you guys here going to defend him over Greg Cody, who you've known for 20 years? It's like you want the Panthers to lose is what it sounds like.

You want him to lose so that this Connor McDavid can win the cup and you can all be right. Oh, I was so right about Connor McDavid. Now he's going to be my friend. Guess what? He doesn't give a shit about any of you. He's never going to give a shit about any of you. I don't know why you're all defending him. And you know what? When the Panthers win...

No one in this room can celebrate except Greg Cody, who won't because he's a journalist. Thank you. Because the rest of you are just rooting for this Conor McDavid to win and beat the Panthers for whatever reason, which I don't understand. So Peter Blackburn can come in your group chat and be like, thanks guys for having my back. I want to be your friend. I'm Peter Blackburn. Get out of here. Go to hell, Peter Blackburn. Thank you. You know what, Billy? I'm glad you finally speak. Where's the loyalty in this building? It's embarrassing. Bunch of star f***ers.

around here just wanting to get the big names to be your friends. Embarrassing. Billy, I will tell you what's happening here. Peter Blackburn, what chaos? Excellent. What chaos is my question? Spitting chicklets. Get out of here. We don't need two hockey podcasts in the world. Okay, Peter? The Hockey Show. That's the one I meant. I guess we need two. The Hockey Show.

Thank you. Billy is still enraged from yesterday's pastelitos. Two days of pastelitos. No, that's behind me. Okay. We're good. I had a couple. Thank you, Greg. You did? Yeah, I had two. Yeah, he did. You did? Did they taste a day old? Maybe. But the flavor was there. The crunch was there. They were great.

Billy, you are correct. And what was happening in the other room, this is what was happening that Billy's been walking into. He is correct? Yes. Thank you. Finally. Must win game today. I think we can all agree. Stanley Cup final. Is that on star bleeping Peter Blackburn? You are. Mike, come on. You're a known star bleeper. You just want to be around celebrities. Billy, what? I hate Wednesdays. This is the third straight one I've been scheduled on. Get me the bleep out of here. Indeed.

I don't want any part of this. And I'm like adhering to some kind of like Wild Billy Wednesday construct. I didn't ask for this. I'm just like laying out. I'm like, yeah, let me take this ridiculous shit because he's got graphics? What is this? You know what? You know what? I'm like laying out as he calls me a star. I'm like, yeah, no, well, it's a Wednesday. You know what? He's mad insulting. And you're like, he's right. What?

Yes, get out. Because he has graphics? Yes, it's his day and you're in his way. Give me a Mike Ryan Monday. You're in his way. No, everyone here is an open mic if I ever can talk. It's his day. We've been talking hockey and we've been talking hockey very seriously. For who? Respect Wild Billy.

Who's it a must win for? Today. It's a must win. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is game one ever must win? Oh, it is. In this series, it is. No, but I'm just saying, okay, I got what you're saying. It's a championship. I'm saying game one can't. It's the Stanley Cup.

final. All the games are must-win. No, that's not correct. What are we talking about here? It's the championship round. That's not correct. Just simply not all must-win. They are all must-win. Do you want to go down 0-1? Thank you. Roy gets it, finally. I feel like White Hat would agree with me on this, that they're not all must-win. Tony, you understand. Let me retreat for a moment, Greg, because you weren't here when this was happening. I saw Tony. Tony endures

Now that Boston and New York and Miami are out, he'll love basketball, but he endures this time of year in hockey. I saw him in the other room. He was surrounded by people who were dorking out.

on whether or not Bennett was the sixth or fifth best Panther if we had to redraft them in a draft. We were drafting Oilers and Panthers from the series. No, what you were doing is asinine, and I heard chirping all around you that Ethan, who can't get enough hockey vomit all over everybody...

and Tony the entire time is just staring straight ahead blankly as if he's been lobotomized. And I saw him, it was just words grazing across his face with foreign names.

Saying Bobrovsky the way Barkley does. Can you guys get for me the sound of either Barkley or Kendrick Perkins trying to talk about Bobrovsky? So the issue is, Jessie's doing my makeup and she's doing like a laser kind of thing to my eyes. I've got bags under my eyes. Dan haven't slept in God knows how long. So I'm just doing my thing. I'm listening. I'm talking to Mike Fuentes. All of a sudden,

Let's draft Oilers and Panthers. I'm trying to figure out who's on whose team. I don't know. So I hear Sam Bennett. I'm like, I think I've heard that locally. I think I've heard Goldie say Sam Bennett before. Mike was making the argument for Sam Bennett like fifth or sixth. That's impossible. He's for sure third. No. Right? No. The top three are clearly McDavid, Barky, Dreisaitl. And then you get into Bob.

You get into Bouchard. You get into the... Is he a Panther? Rhino you can do there. It's a real debate after the first three. Bob's another thing. I'm tired of you guys praising Bob. You tried to kick him out of town for Spencer Knight like three seasons ago. That's true. Enough of this. The key thing you said there, that was three seasons ago. So true. We've been saying sorry to him for like two and a half years. Now we kick Knight out of town. The show has never been more wrong than it was about Barkley's beloved...

We were right back then. We were down on Barkie too. He would go missing. I rushed back to draft Panthers. I'll take the first pick. I don't think that was two minutes. I don't think Mike was gone for two minutes and, and, and,

Billy, I don't want to get in the way of Wild Billy Wednesday. No, it's not getting in the way. It's a Stanley Cup final today. Must-win game tonight. You haven't said for who yet. Yeah. But who is it a must-win for? Everybody. What did you guys not get? Yeah, I just don't. Look, if the Oilers go down 1-0, 0-1, that's bad. If the Panthers go down 0-1, it's bad. It's must-win. That's what I'm saying. Thank you. We're all on the same page. Most of us are on the same page. Who's going to La Carreta? That's the question. There you go. Talk to the Knicks.

nicks they needed that first game it's true losing the pace that was a must win fired i i was actually thinking about this yesterday if that shot doesn't go in is tibbs still hired yes if if the one shot doesn't go in is tibby a finals birth you can't fire the coach right at the very well at the very least they'd be in a game seven right they were right on the ball we're drafting oilers and no we're not going to do that mcdavid went first yep

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Who the hell are you? You should be thanking me! Bullshit! You're a rude young man. You're a fool! You're a fool! I already called you a fool. You're a fool right back! You can't call me a fool. You're an idiot again! It's a fool wrong! You're an idiot twice! You're an idiot for dismissing how much I've helped you! This is the Don Levitas Show with the Stugats! Stugats!

Billy, I'm a little bit worried about you saying this is must win and Roy agreeing with you. Why? Because game one in no series ever played throughout all of sports history that is best of seven or really best of three.

Game one is never must win. You don't get it. You don't get it. It's about setting the tone for the series. I just gave you an example. The Knicks needed to win game one. They lost the series. Can I get the sound again, please, of these two very popular hockey podcasters that Greg Cody has called cowards? Popular. Only White Hat is a coward. Chris, I have never heard your father...

refer to anybody publicly as a coward. Your father, I've said this to you guys before, you know your father holds himself very high esteem as a journalist. It's important to him to be a journalist. And as a columnist, and I'm speaking for you here, Greg, but you tell me if I have it wrong.

He knows that like Edwin Pope, our mentor before us, when a columnist hammered you with a criticism, it's more than just some sports radio guy in a microphone who doesn't have the kind of standard that a newspaper man must have about treating human beings with humanity.

because you have to interact with them and whatnot. I have nothing wrong so far? No, that's fair enough. I think that it used to be that more than it is now, but your point is appreciated. But this is the objection that you have, is it not?

Is it not to what it is that the silliness is around us, that we're not as—that you're high-minded about when you criticize somebody with coward, it's a stinging criticism meant to rebuke from on high with the moral authority of journalism, even though nobody respects journalism the way they used to. Well, I'm calling him a coward for two reasons. Number one— He went after you?

No, White Hat is the one who didn't want me on. I'm so glad about that. The other guy did. He didn't. I told you on this past week's Great Cody Show, we can't have you on these type of podcasts. No, that's not true. You will get exposed. Why? You'll get exposed. Because he can name two players. Well, three, because we said Skinner at the top end. And you keep calling him White Hat for an audio-only clip. His name's Pete.

Well, no one cares about his name. He's not important. He called Greg a senile old man, which is incredibly disrespectful. And redundant. And then he was a coward, as Greg pointed out, because he didn't even want to talk to Greg. Thank you, Billy. Guy's afraid.

He's other things too. We're not going to call him that. If he had me on the podcast, I would have gutted him like a fish. I'll tell you that. You know what? I want you to go on What Chaos. No. Don't even dignify them with that honor. Wait, why are you trying to protect them? Don't be a coward. Don't give it to them. Go on What Chaos. I haven't been invited on. Don't give it to them. Don't even acknowledge their existence. Losers. Yeah, Billy brings up a good point.

point. Thank you. Maybe I shouldn't at this point. You shouldn't. Okay. Why would you do it? They insulted you. That's no way to treat a guest. But you know what? When you call someone, you're dealing with ageism here. When you refer to someone you've never met as a senile old man, that's an insult of the most personal order. All right, let me hear this again, please. Let me hear this again. Any

It is totally fair. He gets right to take offense at that. We all are. This is what Billy's in support of. I am also torn here because I disagree with you pretty fervently on just factual principle grounds that McDavid is pretty good, and we can all acknowledge that without calling him. As I acknowledge it. Okay. But I will now turn around and I will fight the masses with you on...

He may be a senile old man. He's not. But he's our senile old man. Yes, that's true. I don't know. I'll rally around him, which is why I want him to go over there and expose how flimsy this all is. Imagine writing off a 27-year-old man. Don't dignify them with that response, Greg. Don't even pay. Greg's been covering hockey since his peak guy was in his dad's sack. Okay? Enough of this.

First of all, I'm not writing him off. What I'm saying is you don't get to be McJesus and the next Gretzky and the greatest player ever until you win. Which White Hat kind of agrees with. Greg's commentary is more so on the media covering him.

than on McDavid himself. And the media doesn't want to look themselves in the mirror and say that they erred in any way. That they may have been wrong and they may have jumped the gun. Greg would be happy, more than happy, to see an all-time great hockey player

playing another all-time great hockey player, playing in his lifetime. But he's not ready to just be crowning fake kings here, which is what the media is doing. And now, because Conor hasn't lived up to the expectations that the media gave him, fairly or unfairly to Conor, which we're not going to say, now the media is backtracking. And now they're so in the camp of Conor McDavid, because they don't want to be wrong about this situation, that they're not...

They're not calling any of this without bias. There's clear bias here. Okay, Billy, thank you for this. You're welcome. And I believe, Billy, I believe that... Were there Tiger Woods' overrated columns in the early 2000s? Because that's what this feels like right now. Tiger Woods was a winner. Connor McDavid's a loser. Tiger Woods introduced himself to America by winning the Masters by 1,000 points.

At no point was he overrated. Just please. Learn your history, Buck. All right. The reason I'm siding with Billy on this is because I insist that he put on a tie and as Greg Cody's representative, that he go to war with this other podcast here. No, I don't care about them. That disparages our beloved Greg Cody. Play this sound again because they're coming after Greg Cody, our beloved.

beloved senile old man in a way that's aggressive and disrespectful and again getting in the way of what Mike Ryan wants to do which is celebrate very politely these two great teams. I just want to draft players. Where do you put Bouchard? Also, Otani was 29 when he won his first World Series. Play this sound again. I'll play it again for Greg Cody. Play it again for Greg Cody, please. It's the laziest, stupidest

- mailed in column that this guy probably hasn't watched a second of the Oilers this post season. - That's columnist behavior though. - I love that people like this exist though. - This is way lazier. This is, he's not making any sort of like

or strong point that you can agree with. He's just... The Stanley Cup thing is fine. You can have that argument that you can't truly be considered one of the great until you win a Stanley Cup. But saying that's part of a reason why he's overrated right now in the middle of his career is so stupid, so lazy, so dumb. It's been trotted out there 900 million times for 900 million times. No, you know what, Berf? He's not doing anything new. He's just...

replaying and moving the pieces back into place. I'm now back on Greg Cody's side because right in the middle of that, he's like, well, on that Stanley Cup thing, he was kind of right. That is a good point there. Yeah, he hasn't won a championship. Well, you've got to pick a side, Levitar. Yeah, pick a side, Dan. Because I heard the nine minutes that these guys did on my dad, which is hilarious. And in it, he's like, if he wanted to write the column that –

eventually this noise will... That is essentially what my dad is doing. He just put a Mick overrated headline on it, and they basically agree with what my dad is saying. They're just saying, don't call him overrated. Just say he needs to win a title. I think it's just the Mick overrated part. I'm going to give you a bit of a statistical boost here for your argument. Because there was one person that these discussions were being had for when he was at a similar age. LeBron won his first title at 27.

And the narrative around LeBron was he needs to win a title, especially after he formed a super team with Miami. So I think if you're chasing ghosts and trying to compare goats, the LeBron narrative actually fits your argument here. But he is very clearly the best player, the most talented player of a generation, probably beyond that. I will say, like, I wasn't around to see Wayne Gretzky's prime.

This is the greatest player I've ever seen with my own eyes. And you've been saying this for three seasons because what they do on the power play is ridiculous. But, Billy, I think everybody was making fun of me yesterday because a couple of different times, and Roy, I think you'll appreciate this, I was describing without saying McDavid's name even on first reference, what cometh this way.

I would only say it about two players I've ever watched. And I guess Otani would be among them now, but it'd be LeBron and this guy on what's obvious to all that this is whatever Wemba Nyama is supposed to be faster. This is all time great forever player where even Gretzky's like, yeah, I see all of that is. And I'm like, that's the most complete thing I've seen since me.

Everyone can see it. It's obvious. And I guess when you look at LeBron, people were calling him LeBrick, that he didn't have a clutch gene well before he even went to Miami. So I think they held him to an impossible standard. And if you want to compare that apple to that specific apple, you're totally right in saying that he needs to do this. I think the

frustrating part is I got no doubt that he's going to get one. He's going to get one and he's got plenty of time. Just not this year. Greg has doubt. Greg will continue to doubt until he's wrong. Okay, he's certainly great enough to be a champion, to win a champion. But 10 years in,

He isn't, or I should say nine years in, he isn't. But when you call him the most complete player ever, he's not a complete player. Nobody thinks he's a great defensive player. He's been playing on the penalty kill more. He's certainly a threat on shorthanded. He's not the best defensive forward on his team, but he's improved those aspects of his game. But I understand why. Are you going to just keep undercutting him? No, no. What I'm going to say is if you're talking about the most complete player in this final, it's probably Barkov.

Okay? The most all-around player. Well, I got Dreisaitl second. Well, we haven't drafted yet. I would draft Barkov second. I think the goal offensively between Dreisaitl and Barkov is wider than the defense. Don't indulge White Hat. Like, here's the thing. They're coming on their podcast, and they're going through news from a year ago to try to stir up anything that they possibly can.

No, no, he rewrote the column. And they're trying to bait you. You have to change history. I'm a wild Billy Wenger. He rewrote the same thing. No, they're trying to bait you. Copy and paste. Two things. Number one. Was it the same column as last year? It is. First, I got to make this. It's a re-release. That's what they do with the classics, like movies. Sometimes you go to the theater and Star Wars episode one is out again because they re-release the classics. But it's a great. It's an all-time great.

It's an all-time great. Change dates? Put Seth Jones in there? It's the same column. I don't know if anybody else noticed with white hat there. Look closely. One of his tattoo decals is peeling off. I'm just saying. I noticed also an old Panthers jersey behind him. How are we supposed to think that they know hockey if they don't even have the right jerseys? I need to stop everyone, okay? And Greg. Whoa! Whoa!

I'm not comfortable with Greg going into this fight unless he does so with Billy as his attorney, because I would like to debate. I'd like to have a debate. I don't worry about him being exposed as a senile old man if I can put... Quit repeating senile old man! Yeah, what is that? Why do you

What's going on here? That's terrible. You shouldn't keep doing that. It's absolutely ridiculous. I'm actually offended that that kid in a white hat who's done nothing in his life I don't know what he did. What did he do before spitting into a microphone? But I'm offended that he called me a senile old man and I don't need you

propping up that phrase. Okay. Next thing I know, it's going to be on a Levitard t-shirt. That's the way it works. I mean, that's a great idea and you shouldn't have given us that. But he's a senile old man. This brings me to my next topic, perfectly. I don't think you guys know just how perfectly.

We're going to send Greg Cody into this fight, and we're going to send him with Billy Gill as his attorney. That's the chaos they're talking about. The thing I wanted to ask you guys is, 45 minutes ago when we started the Shadow Show, I asked you to close your eyes. Nobody did. Nobody follows instructions around here. My eyes are closed right now, Dan. Well, how'd you know my eyes were open? Exactly. That's what I'm saying. How'd you know? Yeah.

Anyway, there was something on the desk here next to Greg Cody that I've since removed. And what I wanted to ask the group here, because we're out here and he's saying he needs a cup. McDavid will forever be under overrated. He's going to be what, what Skip Bayless is to LeBron. Greg Cody is going to be to McDavid where he's just questioning him the whole time. But I will not say senile old man again. However,

If I were to say to you, there is a senile old man who hypothetically came into the studio and next to him, he placed what would be his lunch next to him in a certain manner. What would that look like to you guys? If a man who did not have his bearings was at the end of life and was bringing in in the morning his lunch, what would that look like?

What do you imagine that would look like? Leading the witnesses here. Seriously. Just what would give off... That he doesn't have his wits about him and he's senile? I would say a construction boot. All right. What would give off the oldest possible senility that you would imagine? Because I'm going to say that Greg Cody bringing in today as his lunch two Jell-O cups with a golden spoon in a Ziploc bag would...

B, what we'd be setting into this fight to argue on behalf of McDavid is not as tough as you think he is. I'm jello eating Greg Cody with jello cups as my lunch. There's got to be a reason for that. Okay, number one, I have never said anything or written anything to the effect he's not as tough as you think he is. I never said he wasn't a tough player. He's a hockey player.

Exactly. When you call someone not great defensively, that's kind of what you're saying. He's not bad. Obviously, he's known for his speed and his offense. He's not known for his defense. If anyone's broken down his forward-checking ability, it's Greg Cote. He's never won the trophy that Barkov just won for a second time as the best defensive forward in the league. He shouldn't have won it. Never won it. It's another trophy he hasn't won either, Greg. Well, that's just it. But Yeti's the king. Zero sugar. Yeti? Zero sugar. Okay, can I explain why?

Well, sure, but I still want my hypothetical entertainment. That's a pretty good one, but it's also uncharacteristic, so I imagine there's got to be a reason behind this. There is a reason, but he's just playing it for laughs. That's right. And when I tell you what the reason is...

When I tell you what the reason is, that's going to fit with the old man narrative that he beats to death. Oh, no. So you're afraid to defend yourself because it just gives them more ammo? I brought in Jell-O because, yes, everybody get ready to laugh. Cue the laugh track. I am having a colonoscopy tomorrow. Oh, no. Okay, yeah, I'm an old looky.

old man is having a colonoscopy. Guess what? Everybody over 45 should have a colonoscopy every five years because colon cancer is one of the most easy things to remedy if you catch it in time. Everybody, my middle-aged crowd out there, have a colonoscopy. It's worth it.

Thank you. Egg on your face, Dave. Hey, credit to him for showing up today. He could have got out of today. 70-year-old man having a colonoscopy tomorrow. I tried. Are you on that thing that just goes straight through you and makes you poop everywhere? Yes. You're on that right now? No, not now. Oh, coffee. I'm not talking about coffee. I'm talking about what they give you. Yeah, yeah.

You're not on it now. No, he is. He texted me yesterday like I may have to shit all show. Greg, no, if you're in the middle of doing that and you've not done that before, you're going to be running back and forth to the bathroom every three minutes. Have you not done this before? This is my third or fourth colonoscopy. So you're a veteran? At this point, he likes it. I do. I sort of enjoy it. It's fun. Your insides have calloused to this medication that they give you.

Again, just in the hypothetical, a tapioca pudding of some sort. Yes. Sans context, that makes him look like the senile old man he's being alleged. Unfairly, I may add. Not unfairly. 12 hours before the Stanley Cup final began. An epic rematch. Guys, this is an all-timer.

I know, let's draft players. Number two, Leon Drysider. Oh, I got Barky at three. What a steal. I have a question, Dan. Are we doing this based on current form or projections? They've got two of the best three players. You disregard age, and it's just in this series who you want. That's how we're drafting. Okay, number three has got to be Barky. They've got two of the best three players.