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Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

I have a new appreciation for Billy and for Chris and for anyone in that show. You spent 10 minutes in that room. I can't believe the number of things he's doing. It's true. It's unbelievable. It's true. Shipping container, what they are doing that is unseen and unheard. It's amazing. Is legitimately really hard. Let's take a second. No, and I'm at, this has been totally serious, Billy. You guys ready for off is what's happening. No, Billy, I, I,

You were doing five different things and still listening to what they were saying and interjecting when appropriate. And I just, I was awfully impressed. Yes, it was a 10 minute sample, but actually a 24 minute sample, but not an easy job. - Oh, someone, a Dan thing. It's too much navel gazing, right? He likes to point out navel gazing. So let's stop navel gazing. What were you talking about before this? - Well, you gotta continue to navel gaze while saying that to really Dan. - I will say that I was anticipating

difficulties from listening to this show as much as I do. When I was coming down here, I was anticipating some difficulties. The video team's awesome. They were killing it for me, my experience. Shout out video team. Are we doing awards already? Oh yeah, it's too early for show awards. Too early for show awards. They got us that changing room video really quickly. Too early for show awards. Roy Williams. We're like putting in the seniors right now before we've clinched. Yeah, you're right. We are. You are. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I don't want to say that it's difficult to be me, but I do want to say that there are certain instances when it is. And walking into this room just now was an instance where I was told to dib and I didn't know exactly what

what is it called? Nobody told you to do it. No, you got it. Nobody told you to do it. Whatever it was called, I was told to do it. Didn't know what it was. I asked on the way out, what, like, what do I, just do it. So I didn't know what to do and then it becomes a thing. You yabba dabba dibbit.

It's just something where you put me... I thought that we always want to put people in a position to succeed. The thing is, David... Asking me to come in here and dab, dab, dib, whatever. Dignity and pride. So it's dab. Nice job. Dab. There we go. Sorry. You got there. It was a long way. But the thing is, David, the reason why at some point today we're going to have a whole David Appreciation segment is there are very few people that I think...

fail. And so I think you're right. There's certain people where we could put them in a position to fail. So like sometimes I could ask Pablo a question to analyze some football film maybe and he would definitely fail. He got torched for that. We'll get to that. We got a few more minutes. We'll get to that in a second. But the thing about you, David, and why we're going to have a David Appreciation segment later on is this.

That was a no-lose situation because you come in here, execute a perfect dap. Awesome. You come in here, and you do a spider monkey move onto my body. Excellent. There was no way for you to lose. No dapside. So that's the great thing about having you, and that's a great thing. We're going to watch it. Yes. You come in, pop. What?

- So bad, I don't ever wanna see that again. - Came in the room with a double Eurostep too. - He did? - Play that back, re-rack that please. Re-rack that one more time, video two. - I don't think we need to re-rack. - We gotta rack it. Let's see it, I wanna see it again, give it to me. Eurostep, uh, uh. That, hey, that step is not European, I don't know what it is. - Caucasian. - And then Dominique kinda carries him to the chair. - Like, I'm strong. - Effortlessly.

It seems a lot longer in real time. It did. I think I blacked out at one point. It's amazing how uncool I am. Pop, pop. Woo! Was David biting his lip during this? It was my shoulder. That's what he's into. It's actually not true. I've been asked whether I'd be into that, and I'm a no on that. I'm not a biter. See, this is where I'm saying, you, sir, there is no losing with you. There's no losing with you.

And as much as people in the audience dislike you, they don't realize. He's a content machine. They don't realize that they actually love you. It's the conversation I was having with Pablo. It's like when I am listening to the sporting class, I'm like, I hate David Sampson. But whenever I see the sporting class pop up in my feed, I can't wait to watch this. You hate listen to the sporting class? No, I don't hate listen to the sporting class. Well, I.

I listen to the sporting class anticipating that you're gonna say something that makes me angry. And it's like-- - He listens to you. That sounds like that's-- - No, no, no, no, it's slightly different because there's much of the sporting class that is interesting and informative and fun that I like.

But I also know that like in any good movie, there's going to be some moment in it where I'm going to either feel really sad or really angry because that makes it more rewarding. And I think that while many in the audience say things about you may or may not be true, I think that they don't understand that part of the reason why they enjoy the show is because you contribute the stuff that makes them feel good.

Because I don't know that I can make people feel as strongly as you can make them feel. Any more gazing at your navel you want to do or going to host? I mean, it's surrounded by abdominal muscles. Why can't I take a look? David?

We missed you in here. I have a lot that I'd like to cover today. What do you want to talk about, David? There's been huge business news that we can talk about with the NBA. Huge. We also can talk about the malice in... That, to me, was the lead of nothing personally. I got into my... We've gone this long without talking about a fight in the stands in America. So I walked into the Elser Hotel last night after being with three-time Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Don Van Atta.

I don't think that's a flex you think it is. Such a nerd flex. Also, Pablo Torre is a fancy lad. I'm fucking swagger jacking. Stop swearing. Sorry. Yeah, thank you, David. I walk into the elevator and inside are two people wearing conca calf polos.

and media credentials. I'm like, oh, right. This thing just happened. - And it's coming here. - Yes. So anyway, what I'm saying is, we should probably talk about soccer.

Did you know what had happened when you saw them? I watched these extended highlights in the morning. I'm very confused about what you just did. So you told us for no reason that you had dinner with Don Van Nata, then gave him his awards, and then told us you got in an elevator with people with polos of conca calf just to say there was a soccer game yesterday? We may lose game four. Yeah.

Do we have time? We started out early. The point is they came from the game with the fight that we wanted. The game was in Charlotte. No, no, no. Did you not hear me say the malice in Charlotte? How would they have gotten here so fast? So why were they here? Because the next game is here. Oh, they're like the advanced team.

They could have been that. That makes more sense. I got to admit. I'm going to leave. You're tired. You're tired. The game here is Sunday. They've been in town. We just have to rest him for a few minutes, and then we can bring him back into the rotation. He needs a line tap. This CPAP is killing me. Can he take a CNAP? He's got to start getting less baked so he remembers to put on the CPAP machine. I got to say. This is honest feedback. Game three, he tried to blow game three for us, too. There were many times. He did.

And David came in and saved him, and he pointed out.

Point shaving scandal happening. Anyway. Can we give David a little credit, too? Because all of him calling out what you watched and didn't watch was that bared fruit in the moment right there. It did. Of course. It's not that he didn't watch it. He actually didn't know where it was. And you've been saying Charlotte. Yeah. Because you know why I was saying that? Well, because the game was there. No, no, no, no, no. And he didn't know? That's good. I kept thinking, like, all right, here we go.

he's going to try to talk about this and he's not going to know what to say. So let me keep saying the mallets in Charlotte, where they climbed into the stands in Charlotte, the,

to fight in Charlotte. He's become Stugato. He did have the elevator story. I don't get the elevator story. And the three Pulitzers. And they have blue seats there, so maybe that was why he was confused. Oh, so he thought it was like Dolphins blue? But it's clearly not. Dolphins ones are more teal. Yeah. But I mean, I could understand how you could get confused. I know I can't. This is a big deal, and I happen to be jocular about Pablo, but this is a big deal. You don't fight. Athletes are told,

No matter what is being told to you, no matter what they're saying, you don't go into the stands. - So the game, I watched the game. The game was awesome and weird. - Violence. - And so like you often get, and as I'm not a super soccer aficionado, but I've watched enough soccer to know that the Copa and a lot of the South American teams are aggressive. Like they, by strategy, there's gonna be a lot of fouls.

The weird thing in this game was Columbia played a man down for about half the game with a one-point lead because one of their players got pinched. He got pinched and then threw an elbow, which got him his second yellow, got thrown out. In a lot of these international tournaments, you don't get a chance to practice more sophisticated tactics.

Offensive sets, so you often get a clogged up style of play until someone scores a goal. So this game was so awesome to watch because not only did one team score a goal early in the game, they were also playing a man down. And it just felt like nonstop action and intensity for a tournament that obviously matters a lot today.

If you didn't know, you could tell by the way that Columbia was celebrating after like they were celebrating like they won the whole tournament. Our coach got fired for it. OK, so that's true. Must mean something. Well, our coach got fired for a lot of stuff. So much stuff. This was the straw. What struck me is that if that had happened not in Charlotte, but it had happened in Columbia or in Uruguay, would we have had the same response?

And my view is no. My view is that we've come to expect the possibility, even though you should never do it, that if there's going to be fights in the stands with players going into the stands, that's something outside of this country. So what struck me is that now it's come to us. And by the way, the final game is coming to Miami Sunday. And all I was picturing was Steven Ross and Tom Garfinkel of the Dolphins hiring more game day security. Well, I mean, we did have the malice in the palace.

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Was that the most fun game in the Copa so far? I don't know. I really liked it. I think we should talk a little bit more about the Copa and I guess in the most American way possible, talk about what happened to our manager as a result. Was this like an attempted news dump? Do people actually care? Good question. Was this a news dump?

Was this an attempt to bury this behind other events? Is this something they wanted buried? Everybody was calling for him to get fired. Wouldn't this be celebrated? I think it was a celebration. Yeah. Until they name the next one and everyone's like, oh. That'll be a news dump probably, right? No, they're going to have to try to celebrate it because there's now 700 days left to the World Cup. I think there were 701 when they let him go.

I don't know if somebody, I'm sorry to spring this on you guys in the shipping container or anyone else who's paying attention, but I find it's interesting because we're headed into a World Cup that we're hosting with the golden generation that has yet to be as impressive as we expected. But I guess I was wondering if it's ever happened before or what the time period has been in the past between having a new coach hire headed into like a legitimate season

team that has some expectations headed into a World Cup because that's the only argument for keeping him now that he's already out is like maybe we keep him because it's too late to change.

There was a massive, massive revolt, obviously, when they brought him back, right? Greg Berhalter coming back was something that everybody that I read and talked to hated, in part because of this very concern of, like, why are we wasting time with the guy that we don't believe is the answer when we have the most important, and not just the most important thing, David, but, like, the thing you pray for, right?

A World Cup coming. And so just to explain, a World Cup being hosted by you is not just a sports opportunity. It is a business opportunity. It's being hosted by more than just the U.S. And I think we should point that out, that there are three different hosts.

Canada, US, and South America, Mexico. But I would say that this firing was a long time coming. That's North. Yeah, yeah. I think it's only hosted by North America. It's all just North America? I thought so, but I don't know. I thought it was. I meant more than one country. You can also argue it's not something you pray for. It's something you pay for.

I think maybe one of the parallels, too, is last year after the Women's World Cup, they sacked their manager. And one of the concerns was bringing someone in right before another international tournament, being the Olympics this year. But it's kind of like a sunk cost fallacy thing, where if you already know that this isn't working and that he's not the right person, the more time you waste trying to make it work is actually just going to make the problem get bigger and bigger.

And so the reason they do it is they think that we all from a media or fan standpoint that we need a loss in order to make it okay to fire him. And so the US gets eliminated from Copa and then they sack him. I think they could have done even if they won the tournament, if you know that your manager or your coach is not your guy, why do we feel as operators we have to wait for a losing streak?

to do the firing. We all feel that way and I don't know why. - You're the only person who's operated a team. I don't know, you'd ever felt that? - That's what I'm saying. We would wait, but we're not gonna fire him after. - But you don't know why you felt that way? - Oh, because we wanted it to be excused by the media and by fans. Like, oh, the US lost in Copa, therefore it's okay to fire him. Where my view is the US was totally fine with firing him, even if they won the whole tournament.

But do you think that this might be a bad example of this, but do you think that like organizations wait until a popular time to fire someone sometimes? It's we try. It's hard to know what this is a pretty popular time, although it was also pretty popular like a year ago, depending on who you ask. But if I'm saying if U.S. would play in Sunday and won the entire Copa.

Does that mean that you can't fire Berhalter? I think a lot of fans made up their minds way before this year started. So I guess it probably depends on what the consensus is. But it definitely reached a critical mass within the last week of supporters outwardly saying that he couldn't continue. Didn't that kind of happen with Nick Nurse?

Go on. They wanted to get rid of him. And then you win an NBA final and you can't really. And then you extend him. There's times that you want to get rid of people and then they stumble into success and then you're stuck with them. Remember the time David Sampson, one of the top five firings of his career, had to fire and then rehire Joe Girardi? He had not won anything. Oh, he won coach of the year. I hated him as a manager. It was very unpopular. No.

If you watched every day, I hated him. It was not a huge loss for this market. Just like Berhalter, I don't think that any fan, any soccer fans in the U.S. are despondent that Berhalter is no longer the coach. And I don't think that they're solely focused and wholly focused on who the next coach will be. I think they're more concerned, where do we stand with 700 days to go? Can we actually win the World Cup?

So I know Greg Berhalter was, well, no, we can't. I don't think we ever thought we could. But I think Greg Berhalter, a lot of the opinion about him was about him being well-connected and there was, I guess, the belief that he was supported by the players. And that's why they, I know his brother was a part of the organization at some point and probably, I believe, left. But all that stuff ties into it. But the thing about this that I find interesting is it's an incredibly unique sports business situation.

because oftentimes whether you'll admit it or not, I think you are taking the temperature of the fans. And in U.S. soccer, the fans,

It's not a big fan base. It's not a popular thing to talk about on sports media until it's the time and then everyone's locked in. So it's interesting to have to not have that pressure because the noise can never get but so loud on USA Soccer because our shows are talking about football.

You know, like our social media is talking about the NBA and then the World Cup comes around and we all care. So I just find it interesting that you can. It's one of the few sports, maybe the only sport I can think of that goes from like.

close to the bottom of our sports media conversation to then dominating it. And we all learn all the players and care for a second. It's like such an NFL point of view. It's unbelievable, actually. Hold on. Does anybody disagree with that? I think that's the nature of having like a tournament that only happens every four years because you could make the same argument about a lot of the sports in the Olympics. Like we really, really care about swimming for like two weeks just in like the mainstream sports media conversation. But in off cycle years, it's not something that we're covering every day.

And Michael Phelps is just as famous as if he were swimming every week. For sure. And playing in the NFL. So I don't, I understand what you're saying that we're only giving this attention because the World Cup's in 700 days and the Copa was now, but we're trying. Soccer is a bigger worldwide sport. You'd acknowledge that. Right. By far. The contradiction also though is that soccer on a youth level is obviously one of the most popular, if not the most popular sport that Americans will have their kids play. Way more than football.

And so the question then is, okay, here is this, and I think, you know, the American Outlaws, all these fan groups, there is this question, and this is the eternal question, of like, how do we transfer all of this sort of grassroots populist interest that does not translate into sports media headlines or branding deals? And the theory was, well, you get a World Cup to be hosted in North America. And so the question then is, who is going to be the coach? I think that is...

Obviously, where Jurgen Klopp as the guy that I feel like straw poll, that's the guy everybody wants. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how likely it is. I think another question people are asking with the Cope on Sunday. How do I go? Great question. Download the GameTime app. Create an account. Use code Dan for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Last minute tickets. Lowest price guaranteed. GameTime. That's well done. I love the GameTime app. And don't you worry. Go to that game. There will be extra security.

That's in Charlotte? No, that was right in Miami. Miami Gardens. South Beach, some people say. The game is not in South Beach. It's so far from South Beach. There are two things that I want to clarify. Men's soccer, I think, is specifically what we're referring to as popular appeal because I think women's soccer is hugely popular and we're very good at it. So whenever we have this conversation about like,

why our team stinks and we don't like it, we should probably clarify that. But also I think anytime you have a tournament that is as internationally popular as the Men's World Cup, no matter how popular soccer is, that will be when everyone is interested in it. It just is a humongous tournament. Even if you don't care about it, the stakes are so high, everyone watches it. The biggest thing in the world. It's humongous. Bigger than the Stanley Cup.

True. Getting the World Cup trophy. True. That's the number one. I think if you asked athletes, I mean, this is anecdotal. I believe that athletes would say that winning the World Cup is bigger than the Super Bowl, the NBA championship, the Stanley Cup. I don't think it's. Are we seriously wondering this? I don't think anyone was wondering Stanley Cup. I think we're pretty clear. People call the Stanley Cup is the greatest trophy in sports. Just because it's cool looking. People just call it that. They just like hockey. And also the FIFA World Cup trophy is kind of like, it's a weird looking trophy. You don't love it?

It's a little too small. It's weird. I love it. It's curvy. It's petite. You know what? No. We need to make this trophy bigger. Yeah. No. The North American World Cup trophy should be enormous. I'm with you. I feel like if America won it, you know how sometimes in wrestling someone wins and then they get a custom title? If the American men's team ever wins the World Cup, I feel like we're looking at a rebrand.

Like maybe the globe turns into like a giant hamburger or something. You should Texasify it. Exactly right. We got to make it huge. Like we have to make it something. Like that looks almost like a fancy car ornament, you know? That'd be one hell of a fancy car. Isn't a hamburger German? What? Hamburger? No, it's American Jack. I think it was invented in New Haven, Connecticut on the campus of Yale. Sure. The other thing I wanted to say about the security thing is that we didn't mention why this thing

fight broke out which was that the Uruguayan players were saying that they believed that their family members were being attacked in the stands by Colombian fans so that's why they were complaining about the lack of security for the people that were supporting them and their family members and that's why I assume the Dolphins hard rock people are gonna try to hire yeah I called out David Tepper and the entire group there because you know where family section is always you get a list and

And the operations people knew if it's true. I don't know that family was there, but that's certainly the report. But it's not a secret where the opposing team or where the home team family is. I love this. This is a great spin. Blame David Tepper. The guy can't get anything right.

David Tepper can't be happy. He just can't be happy. Doesn't he have bronze testicles on his desk? Yes, I remember that story. Apparently he has bronze testicles on his desk. Like truck nuts? No, no. Oh, bronze. I don't like truck nuts, honestly. Le testicles.

With CRS. So well, I'm looking this up just to get the my concern would only be about going to Miami Gardens Yeah on game time app you will get great prices. Just know that you're gonna be safe There will not be a nice dance. Can I quote New York magazine speaking of trophies speaking of David Tepper quote Tepper has a pair of brass testicles Cartoonishly huge and grotesquely veiny they are affixed to a plaque inscribed with the words in all caps the most valuable set of all time and

That was a joke you were supposed to say out loud, David. Come on, Dave. Catch up. It's okay. So are they like truck nuts or no? Sounds truck nut adjacent. Is it Brandon Bass's testicles? What? Jesus Christ. Never mind.

She gave me a layup. I wanted so badly because there's been a moment here. We've had like a miss. Help her help you, David. I want so badly to be the beneficiary of her help. And I didn't know who she was talking to. You did the Greg Cody. You just laughed to the joke in your ear and kept moving along.

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I'm sorry. I just said in his headset, haven't you been to all of them too? It sounded like you were speaking aloud. My bad. Totally on me.

100% on me. Stugatz. But that goes without saying. Right. That it couldn't have happened. Well, now he said it. He didn't say it. He said it again. Greg, why? Greg. My apologies. Greg. Why? Greg. Yeah. Greg. He apologized. Greg. Sincerely. This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz. Stugatz.

At least you didn't reply. Greg replies. Yeah. He's like, oh yeah. That's right. We all, you know, we all here on this side of the glass, we are inhabiting the person whose chair we're sitting in. It is kind of remarkable. Dominique can't stop talking about ourselves. And I mess up Jess and Lucy. I can't distinguish basic facts and got drunk.

And David thinks that producers in his ear are actually just saying things aloud on the show. And Pablo's lying. Also that. So we are Dan, Stu, and Cody. Oh, we got a picture? I have a theory that whoever's chair you sit in. That's not real. Those are not real.

Rendering of what David Tepper's testicles might look like on his desk yeah not Yeah, the desk once yeah the desk once that's not I mean

Do we think there's some other guy's testicles? Why would he have his own testicles on his desk? Why would he have someone else's? Which one's weird? I don't know. I think it's weird in general that a man at a corporate office would have testicles on his desk. Wait, so hold on. Are we under the impression that he did one of those things where you, I guess, make a cast of it and then made a replica and then supersized them? Okay, take that off the screen. No, that's the Drake one. That's the Drake chain. It's a heart, by the way. It's a heart. It's the Drake chain. That heart's upside down.

Get it out of here. I ain't looking at that anymore. The veins were unnecessary. I don't know. I don't know. We're finished, guys. I don't know. We have to go to a game five? John's not listening. I'm not going to game five. You can go to game five. I will play in a game five if necessary. It's going to be necessary. Thank you to the video team for flipping the Drake. See, you know, it looks like a heart. That's a heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

ominous shadow in the back too why isn't there a circular clip from which it can hang from for a shame it was you just cut it off so Hard Knocks has been fun

Has it? Has anybody been watching Hard Knocks? I've been watching it, and I actually saw that there was some controversy yesterday regarding the breakout clip of episode two, which was Drake May at the Scouting Combine. But I have been watching. I have a lot of thoughts, a lot of takeaways. But the biggest one is that I thought that an offseason Hard Knocks about the Giants was like, why would I watch this? But I've been really enjoying it. And I don't think it's just because it's July.

But did you see Pablo? I hope your takeaway is that his level of nerdy was exposed in a way that he tries to hide more than he'll admit.

It was a difficult day for Pablo on the internet yesterday. A lot of the NFL and football analysts that I really like were not happy. I feel bad. I feel bad about what I did. Oh, so you want to apologize? Well, he did. He sent out a tweet. I didn't say that I wanted to apologize. I just feel bad that people that follow me on Twitter

You tweeted? Various social media platforms. I got aggregated by awful announcing. Shut up. Hold on. Can we workshop a notes app apology from you, Pablo? Ooh. I like this. Let's do that. I like it. I'm intrigued. Which was the one that got you?

Because, like, I don't assume that one person... It was being aggregated. I know, but I mean... So this is what... You had to read... Okay, go ahead, Pablo. The poll quote that they got was... And they used a description that I do not co-sign. But it began, Pablo Torre is sick of NFL film analysis content, colon. And already I'm like, I didn't... It wasn't about all film analysis. Well done, Awful. They made me into goddamn Mad Dog Russo. He was so despondent.

I'm just like, why am I... You say that like it's an insult. Yeah, what are you trying to say about that? Man's a legend. Don't disrespect him. Doggy. And the quote was, we fetishize jargon.

Which I stand behind, I'm not apologizing for that. The entire point of what I was trying to say in this chair was that I like it when complicated things are explained to me by a person who has none of the depth of not what? Why are you calling for a timeout? That's a 30 by the way, quick 30. 20. Yeah, it's a 20. We had to quickly acknowledge that you pulled the Stugatz and you said, I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize. Alright, time in. Thank you, Dan.

I like it when complicated things are explained to me as someone who does not have the depth of knowledge in a way that anyone can understand. Again, my entire show is about here's a complex thing. I'm going to explain it to you so that you care about it and that you can even talk about it to other people. And I just feel like so much of NFL film analysis content at its worst is

is just peacocking the theater of authority as if I want to listen to a lot of doctors only refer to body parts using the Latin names. But why did you decide that you needed to respond? This is what interests me far more than you saying the same thing you said yesterday. All of these people that I do respect thought that I was subtweeting them.

And I felt bad that it came across that way. To be clear, you're kind of consistent because yesterday when our sex expert brought up the perineum, you were like, Grundle! I don't want these fancy science words. I want to get in a tank. I'm here to clarify and find out. Is it possible that...

this content isn't for you, that you are taking it as someone like being authoritative over you. Whereas maybe you just got into the wrong corner of the internet. And that's totally fair. But I think that's actually happening to me, which is to say, I am saying, I don't dig this. I think this is intentionally offensive.

And people are saying, why don't you want me to have a job? And I'm like, that's not what I'm saying. Like I misspelled nuance. Do you think that nuance is what's making that by chance? I think you, I think Pablo, you're handling this all wrong. Like own the take, own the backlash. You're doing the job the right way. This is what we are supposed to do. This is this. You'll get an A plus next week when Dan's back.

But I feel bad. This is the problem, though. I feel bad. Brett Coleman is tweeting a gif of Spider-Man from Endgame disappearing into the wind like I betrayed him or something. Pablo? I think he's good. You got to stop being a star fucker and not care what they think. Because you wouldn't care if it was anyone but these blue check marks tweeting at you. Yeah.

Wow, that is quite a statement. You're just going to let that go? I have a fork in the road here, right? Be careful. One of two things. I can dispute Charlie's characterization of these people as stars, or I can consent to their importance to me. Gotcha. Which way are you going to go? It's funny, I thought you were going to say dispute Charlie.

his characterization of you but we would never know how to do you love it that's all this is a top delaying which way you going it's a fork and the reason I'm asking is its it tracks for you to go one way not the other a Brett Coleman Theo ash

Quincy Avery, Nate Tice, all of these guys. That's a gang of them. Did Orlovsky come out or he just let the other ones do it? He was so happy he got the mention on the show that he wasn't going to say anything. I'm sorry for prioritizing Dan Orlovsky over all of your work. Did he come for your neck too or he just sat in the back and watched all the other goons get you? I think he's just eating an unseasoned chicken breast somewhere. I don't know what he's doing. That's going to get aggregated.

Own it, Pablo. If that's your take, stick to it. All right? You sitting in the... It is annoying. It is annoying when people are saying things without explaining them as if we're supposed to catch up and no one teaches it. That's my thing, Dominique. So, like...

I think the thing, though, that I found interesting going back to the Giants hard knocks, though, was like this all started from the Drake May clip of him being quizzed by the Giants front office about his knowledge of football jargon, essentially. So it's just a weird place. Ben Zolak.

I will say, Nate Tice, very passive-aggressively, maybe. I don't want to put that on him. But he very passive-aggressively just tweeted out what each of the words meant in the call. He was like, Linda means left. I had to text Nate. What did you text him? That I wasn't subtweeting him. And he said, not to betray a private conversation. But please, you've got to tray away. It's what we do.

Nate and I are on the same page, I think. Nah, don't try to drag Nate down with you. Look, I want all of these film nerds to have all of the audience that wants exactly that. And I, in fact, follow them because I want to learn. I just feel like across the board, there's just a performance of authority through complexity that

That has been something that I've just wanted to call out for a long time. You know, people think you do that, too. You do the same thing. You understand that, right? Did you listen to what you just said? It's funny because I have complexity of authority. I have one of the things that I've appreciated most about having children is watching them do the things that my wife does and her get pissed off at it.

Like the things that she does that are annoying to me, but I just like, all right, whatever. And then she sees them having to her. I get a hell of a cackle and watching Pablo be mad at other people, be pretentious is because you're not used to being on this side. Let's get to the bottom of this. You're not used to being on the side that's being talked down to. The words are too big. You're not used to feeling dumb.

But also, I do sincerely want to make very clear that I want to communicate to people who don't understand what the words mean. And I think that a lot of the time, with this Hard Knocks clip in particular, to get back to what Jess was enjoying from the show, my thing was...

Why is this viral in a way that suggests that people beyond the ball knowers are celebrating it? And I'm like, I think it's because people think this is what it means to be a sports fan now, to co-sign something without understanding. And that to me is kind of annoying. I think that some people can appreciate it even if they don't understand it.

Does that make sense? So I want to just extend that metaphor to other things, right? I think it happens all the time. And I think it's part of the internet that is mystifying to me. You go to see an illusionist.

Or mentalists. You understand, you, of all people, was very impressed by mentalists and illusionists and magicians. Like, we don't get it, but we know something that just happened was really cool and impressive. I think it's fine for people to recognize that we're watching a game that we've boiled down to, in the words of Dan, real estate acquisition.

But understand that it's a lot more complicated. And I think that's also part of it is it looks like a brutal, nasty, dangerous, violent game. But in actuality, it also is a very strategic and intellectual game. I kind of think Pablo's right. Careful. Which part? Yeah. That's what you're. Yeah, buddy. I mean, he's that. There's a difference between explaining what's going on and just trying to use the jargon to say that, you know, it.

I kind of think Pablo's right. So you don't think Pablo's right? Aggregate that awful analogy. He explained everything. You don't think Pablo's right. Why not? Why can't you think that I'm right about this? Because you're saying something different. No, no, no, I'm saying exactly that. No, you're not. Yes, I am. Now you are. Guys, this side, that side's right. Can we workshop what I should post on a notes app? Let's do that later. Right now, I need some water.

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