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Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

Is there anything that you think the NFL should be jealous? Because every time I hear you talk about it, it's like baseball is so jealous of the NFL for this, this, and this. I spent 18 years thinking about that question. There's not one thing that we do that other than maybe the passion and emotion of a father and son having a catch that you can associate. But it feels good and emotional. That may be the only thing that there can be jealousy of between football and baseball. Not injuries. I don't have any of those.

Shout out to you for not having a brain injury issue. Didn't baseball figure out streaming before everyone else? Bam! Strangely. MLBAM was the first, and it added a lot of value to that sport. Two different companies. People confuse MLB.com with MLBAM.

I know BAM is a technology company. Baseball started, that was the first ever meeting I ever attended in baseball, was the creation of BAM. And we voted for it. We didn't really know what it was. And the board was just a bunch of old white guys who voted to start this tech company. It didn't understand anything about it. And it became a multi-billion dollar company.

- Do you wanna explain what BAM is? It's like the streaming, right? - It's literally the back of the house where we run other people's websites. And then it got sold and John Skipper, in a conversation that Pablo, which you may have listened to on the Sporting Class, Pablo, John Skipper and I had about how John Skipper screwed over baseball so unbelievably in that transaction. - So you're saying that MLBAM, MLBAM,

That's who hosted Meetspin.com. I don't know whether that was on the list of websites. It's mostly league websites, but maybe. But maybe there were, you know, sex websites too. I don't actually. We never got a list of websites. You guys are more Lemon Party folks, I think.

I think it was mostly sports. I want to be a good teammate. I want to help you out, Pablo, but I have no idea what you're talking about. That's for the best. It was a good joke. I like it, Pablo. It was a good joke? Yeah, it was a good joke. I don't get it. I think I'm too old. Baseball fans are old. Lemon party. Oh, got it. Okay. Good one, Pops. You've had many moments today that have been below mediocre. I'm going to bring you behind another curtain. The curtain behind the curtain. Not! We might need to call it a reliever.

I'd like to hear from Juju. And I feel as though it's not going to happen. But I miss, I miss, because he'd be saying something positive right now to me. The Minnesota Lynx got a great win over the L.A. Sparks last night. The L.A. Sparks are very banged up. Even Lexi Brown was doing the commentary on the broadcast last night. So get well soon, L.A. Sparks. No judgment from me. Back to you, David. I love you. Thank you. Love you, too.

Do you feel older now that your birthday? Is the day after your birthday the worst day and the second day after your birthday of the year? No, I'm happy to be alive. I can't believe I'm able to see this age. I never in my wildest dreams thought I would still be alive to see this age because all of my friends died from gun violence and just bad stuff. So being this age and being surrounded by love is more than I can ask for, really. Well, you got a lot of people here who love you.

And I think that you should aim higher now. I think you should now look to be 56. Because it's awesome to be 56 in this room. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Juju had a birthday? When was your birthday? My birthday was July 6th. The same birthday as Billy Gil's daughter's birthday last Saturday night. Awesome. Well, in that case... Happy birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck. Thank you. And to her, Billy's daughter. Thank you. How old did your daughter turn? One. Two.

I think you're not out of the woods. You're like in the top of the first inning. Yeah.

Just starting. I had a three-year-old. I thought that I was getting out of it, and then the one-year-old. Are you going to keep going? Two to three is the biggest change you'll ever see. I always feel like— That's a personal question. It's like an HR violation. Nothing personal. The conversations around people's kids— Is that too personal? Oh, no, no, no. It's widely accepted. I'm not judging you. It's widely accepted to meet a couple who doesn't have kids and say, like, thinking about having kids—

or ask someone how many they want to have. It's an odd thing that we kind of accept in society as a normal conversation to have because like, what are you really asking somebody? How often do you have sex with your wife? I actually wasn't asking that. No, it's just like, it's very much about sex. It's just weird to me.

I don't associate having kids with sex, though it would seem that you should. I think it's more because there can be issues that people have that you don't want to, like, you know. Like maybe they've been trying, although their youngest is one. It's sort of like asking someone, hey, what do you talk about in therapy? Trying is the funniest term, though. It is. Like, trying is like, oh, are you having sex a lot? Are you having sex every day? Are you trying? And we just talk about it like it's this very normal thing to be asking somebody else.

I think that the best advice I could give you is two to three is a life changer. Playing zone, huh? No more man coverage. That's the joke they all make. It ain't a joke. That one, I modified that joke because it's such a bad one. And I would say that as soon as we had our second one, we had matchup issues. It didn't matter if it was man or zone.

That boy is hard to guard. We ain't had nobody. We ain't had no scheme. Hard to guard. The younger one setting picks and shit. Then we got the third one who completely looks up to him. Oh, we ain't getting no more wins. We are the generals. Just trying to make it to the end of the game, baby. Just trying to make it. They always make it to the end. They just always lose. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. So they make it. So you're going to make it. But what if you just keep losing now for the next 15 years? Well, we're hoping that LeBron James of our team can carry this squad. She's doing a good job right now. A lot of pressure. A lot of pressure on that first born. Keep cooking.

I do realize that I also just talk in sports metaphors about family. Sports metaphors are the best. It's like, I'm the special teams coordinator of the household. I've said that like 9,000 times to people and they're asking like, how are the kids? I'm like, well, I have one daughter and...

My wife's really the, you know, she's the head coach, GM, president, owner. Why can't you be a coordinator? Why did you go? Doesn't special teams have the connotation of being below, like, the bottom of the coaching ranks? I think, yeah, special teams is probably – the special teams coordinator is the lowest level coordinator you can probably be. Although, probably the best coach I played for – well, I don't know. I guess Mike Shanahan might have been the best coach I played for, but one of the best coaches in football –

John Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator before being a head coach, which I would argue being a special teams coordinator might actually prepare you better for being a head coach than any other coordinating position there is. So then it wouldn't be the lowest. I mean, it's considered the lowest. So it's a feeder position then to end. But this take, I think we've got to explain this take that Dominique has, which I will take as a compliment. I don't think it's not a feeder. People don't think of the special teams coordinator as a feeder situation, but it's the classic like...

Jobs theory of the way you look at hiring is that I think that the job of an offensive coordinator is frankly very separated from the players and to coordinate the offense and the job of defense coordinator is the same thing. It's very much in the scheme and complications of a play-to-play basis. And you're very focused on your quarterback and a couple players on defense. Whereas I think the special teams coordinator is more of a management position because there aren't but so many special teams players

scheme advantage that you can generate. And you're also required to communicate with the entire team. And honestly, like special teams is something that very few players want to do. So you have to find ways. So I think that what you are practicing is more management skill than scheme skill. And I think being a head coach oftentimes involves more management and coaches who fail. I think it's because they're like,

I'm an offensive mastermind. We're going to win because we out scheme everyone. And you just can't continuously maintain that. Do you think it's going to change now with the new kickoff rules? Is the special teams coordinator, are they devising? I pictured this off season, the coordinators are all devising these crazy formations for the new kickoff rules. Am I just imagining and dreaming and you're saying that it's going to look exactly like it did last year? Uh,

No, it'll look different because they'll actually have some returns now. But the thing about special teams is it's really hard to make it. You don't get much time in practice, and it's really hard to make new, like, innovative ways to do things in the short time you get in practice and given the rule constraints. So, yeah, special teams, it's like return right, return left, return middle. We get real freaky and throw a reverse. So it's like Madden. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Like we might throw a reverse. But when that fake punt happens. Oh, yeah.

And then it fails and you get fired. Who do you think invented the special part of special teams? Like that, that, what branding? Who's on it? Somebody got to get on it. You could GTS.

But I always viewed Google as shit. But I think that it's special teams to me. The reason why it's special is it's not part of the normal game. It's just a special thing that happens every once in a while. What's the part of a baseball team, David, that you think is the most disrespected but the most underrated? The people who teach base running or base running instructors.

are not taken seriously and base running matters so much. - That's right. It's gone downhill too. - It's insane. People don't know how to do it. Ichiro, when he was active with us, would try to teach base running to anyone who would listen and the most important part of base running is how to get your secondary lead.

And it blows my mind that professionals, these are professionals. They don't know how to get a secondary lead or how to base run or where to be. And it's one of the things that I tried to effectuate change. Failed. One of the many things. I'm not a baseball enthusiast, but I would say the most important and underrated position on a baseball team is probably the Bat Boys and Ball Boys because they maintain the locker room status.

enthusiasm and happiness and joy through the process. They don't, actually. I know he said that on the show this week, but that's not accurate. Their job is not to be the court jester. I'm not talking about what Nick said. Their job is to wash jocks. I'm saying my opinion. And dirt, hold on, clean jocks are very important. Fill up bubblegum buckets. Clean dugouts. I had a friend that was a bad boy. De-spike shoot. De-mud spikes. You're making my...

My point is like these are a lot of things that matter quite a bit but get underappreciated. I think that that's a role that you should protect and shouldn't fire over frivolous behaviors. That's all. Certainly not cost a pension. Yeah, definitely don't want to cost anybody a pension. Can we let that pass now? What's the number of days where we can then tell people that they don't get pensions at 10 years? That's players. When do you want to do that?

Are you accusing Nick Cirillo of lying? No, not at all. Nick and I had a side dish. A side dish? A side, what's it called? Chat? Chat. Thank you. There we go. Side chat. He was very happy. What a journey that was. That was a journey. Thank you, Coco. Rad. The journey was that he was very happy to have been on the show and to relive that great moment in time.

But what about the benefits? He misses those. Yeah, definitely misses his dream.

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Do you think the audience is mad that we haven't really talked about the heat this week? Honestly, right? No, they're not. They're not.

They're not upset. I promise. Heat fans are not upset? I mean, Heat? No, no, no. That's a separate conversation. The audience is happy that we have not spoken about the Heat. Trust me, from experience, they don't want to hear it. Well, I think there's got to be Florida sports fatigue after the Heat and Panthers and the Heat of the last eight years and the Panthers of the last two years. They were so tired from being so good. Yeah, I don't think it's that the fatigue is the issue. I think the people who talk about the Heat on the show may be the issue. Yeah.

I think it's the subject, not the people. I think Mike, Jeremy, Billy talking Marlins. I think there's a whole national audience that does not view South Florida sports the way the room does sometimes.

100% accurate. Sometimes, huh? Maybe. That's why my Marlins updates are few and far between. Well, you've had nothing to update, though. No, exactly. The trade deadline's coming. Yeah, that's why I'm wearing my Jazz shirt while I still can because Jazz is on the way out. Oh, so that's an awesome question. Do you not wear shirts once the player's been traded? Oh, I have no option. Because then you have no shirts. David, exactly.

So you can't do that. You're very well of the history of this organization. You know that I can wear that. So why did you just say you can't wear the jazz shirt again? Well, I'm wearing it currently while he's still on the team, but it seems as though reports have said he's on his way out. I don't think anyone's going to trade for him. You know, I don't know about that. Does the audience appreciate it when it is negative Miami sports news? They love it. So then this should be a great time right now because –

Zach Levine is the best y'all can do, maybe, right? I mean, right now it looks like the Heat are planning to essentially run it back with just about the same roster. No Kayla Martin, who's now in Philadelphia. And that contract situation was really interesting. But...

Yeah, the Miami Heat are where they are. And now you look at what players might be available over the next couple of months. It's Brandon Ingram, it's Zach Levine, it's players like that. As someone who ran back mediocrity, which I did constantly, it doesn't work well. Your shows were fun this week, David. I think I overheard you, Jeremy, trying to convince yourself that Zach Levine is a piece worth building around. I do think that Zach Levine...

His perception in the national media, I think, is interesting. I saw an article yesterday, I believe it was Stephen Coe who put it out there, that, and

And I'll look for the specific stat. But when it comes to Zach Levine, he's been surrounded by bad players for his entire career. The one knock that you can have on him that's entirely fair is he hasn't always been available. But he's someone who had six coaches in 10 years. He'll fit right in here. Five coaches in his first six years, including Fred Hoiberg for a couple of those.

72 of his 101 teammates, 72 of the 101 players he's ever played with are now out of the league entirely, which is pretty high for a guy who's not even 30 years old quite yet. And I just think that the perception around him is really interesting because right now it seems as though Chicago will end up having to attach picks to get off of his contract.

And for a team, whether it's the Lakers, who are desperate to acquire more talent, maybe Miami, who might be interested in acquiring another scorer, if you can acquire assets along with a talented player like Zach Levine, I do think that this perception of him being a waste of a contract, depending on where your team is situated, is maybe faulty. What an annoying stat that must have been to look up.

All his teammates and who's still in the league. God, I just imagine somebody like, I got to find something that boosts Zach Levine here. And just like just Googling rosters and like, where are they now? It seems very tedious. Turns out Zach Levine is a human version of that video from the ring.

I like that you obviously are like after the debate they have like a spin room where you go and everyone tries to spin how their candidate is better than you actually believe it is. We didn't really do it this time though. Anyways. Why is Pablo being so much like Stu today? I'm very confused by the seating. What do you mean, buddy? You keep interjecting with like grunts and one word jokes and yeah. It's very... Spackling. Yes.

It's very stew-like. I'm not sure. Is it because of the vibe? Are you down? There are positions and roles that somebody's got to set picks, somebody's got to get rebounds, got to inbound the ball. And right now, he is providing some of the spackling that's needed. Man, it's awesome when we have to teach you how to do the show in the middle of the show. I'm not sure that's exactly what's being taught here. So just to put a button on the heat, if you don't mind, what I read this week that can't be true is

that there's more whispering going on. And it was so loud that I heard it. Yeah, let's do it. What did you read, David? Did he take less money with the Sixers? Yeah, so what happened there... Is that really true? What happened there is Caleb Martin was offered an extension by the Miami Heat.

that would have ultimately equaled five years, $65 million is the report. They were asking Caleb to opt into his player option this year at $7 million and offering a four-year extension from there. But not a hardened situation where you promise the extension and then don't give it. The extension would be given at the same time. Opt in and then sign the extension. But immediate. That's what the reporting has suggested. I don't know that for sure. The reporting has suggested, hey, opt in and then sign this extension.

It seemed as though... And so he said, I don't want to do that. I'll take $30 million less. Well...

what his agent and he calculated was out on the market, he would be able to get more than that. That was their assumption, was that he would be able to get more than $65 million over five years. Caleb Martin, who had his moments in the postseason, is just approaching his prime now. That was the calculation they made. I didn't know at the time, and I think many Heat fans didn't know, that that extension was offered to Caleb.

It seems like a major, major, major miscalculation by him and his agent, where ultimately he ended up coming to Philadelphia for four years, $32 million, which is...

I mean, literally half of what he would have made over five years. I haven't seen that. I don't know if he has. I don't know if he will. He said really glowing things thus far about wanting to be in Philadelphia and the culture that they have, whatever. Obviously, that's all he's going to be able to say now that he's signed there. Did he say culture specifically? He said winning...

I don't think he said winning culture. He said winning something. You guys don't own the word culture. Let's stop it. Every press conference that any new coach gets hired is going to say we're going to install culture. Caleb Martin, quote, being part of that winning culture and something bigger than yourself is something that draws you in. It's pretty funny because Sixers don't win. That's an F you to Riley in the heat. Why would he do that? No, it's not. It sort of sounds like it.

He's also, by the way, been saying the word culture in every single interview for years and years now with the Miami Heat. So that word is just ingrained in you. I don't personally think that Caleb was trying to take a shot. Isn't heat culture just LeBron? Oh, God, you're exhausting.

You and Taylor. And two finals appearances since he left. And their finals win before that. But you guys know those were flukes. Okay. They were not. I love how Wizards fans and Knicks fans are like, all you guys do is win with LeBron. And we've done way more after LeBron than any of those players. With players that they didn't even want.

Well, that's Charlie. You are a Wizards fan? Oh, yeah. Are you an Ernie Grunfeld fan? No, are you kidding? Ernie Grunfeld. Is that a sentence anyone has ever said before? I love Ernie Grunfeld. Oh, you're Grungay. Well, the Bernie and Ernie show from Tennessee is something that you should all remember. But Ernie Grunfeld taught me how to shoot free throws.

That's the first thing. He has that bend in his body when he shoots his free throws. And he happens to be an amazing man. Oh, I'm sure he's very, very nice. He was a terrible general manager.

He was an abomination. I'm not sure teaching David Sampson how to shoot free throws is the line I'd want near the top of my resume as basketball executive. He ran several teams. He was a GM for way over a decade. Way over. I think he ran the Knicks. He ran the Wizards. You know when the last time the Wizards won 50 games?

15 years with West on Seldon. The 1970s. West on Seldon, the Big E. What I did not anticipate is that we're going to do Grunfeld and Wizards chat. Enough of that. Do you remember the team you built? Nick Young, Andre Blatch, JaVale McGee. I love those guys. Exactly. I agree, Charlie, that the results were not what he would have liked.

But I also agree that he was very good at running the team. Enough of that. So, Jeremy, I would like you to tell Pablo what I heard you say about Pablo's best buddy and favorite GM in all of sports. I'm just sick of hearing that Daryl Morey is some sort of genius. I'm sick of it. I don't understand why we actually...

Act like Daryl Morey is something high and mighty when he hasn't actually created a winning team even one time in his career. What? And I think it's really cool that he's able to operate in a space where there's a lack of salary cap and then able to create something from nothing. I think that it's really cool that he punts on seasons to be able to create salary cap the following year to acquire players like Paul George. Do you know how good Grunfeld was at Tennessee? We're new.

No way we're doing this. There was a 30 for 30 on it. Yes, there was.

That's a big deal. You guys could go do the grungang show in another damn studio. We are not grunging over here. Dominique has seized the chair. He seized the microphone. How did that happen? I looked toward this way. And he's living his dream. This is amazing. Of just having other people argue and therefore get to laugh at people because they love management. He gaslit the show to be anti-management in his image. Oh, this GM sucks.

You're welcome. I like, so this is you fed up. This is as angry as you get, Jeremy. Yeah, that's about it. This is quote sick of it. I'm not someone who gets really angry. I kind of just go with the flow. I'm happy to be here. I'm surrounded by friends. But yeah, I think Daryl Morey is incredibly overrated as a front office executive. I do. I think the way that we hype him up as a superhero of sorts is, it doesn't make any sense to me. And I get he built something around James Harden that was...

I guess you could consider successful, but they didn't win anything. And they played a brand of basketball that has only ruined the game aesthetically in the way that the five out now is. I mean, that's what Boston Celtics do. And I think aesthetically, no one is really enjoying the five out brand of basketball. It might win games aesthetically.

four other teams and then you look at the 76ers and they haven't done anything with him yet i think the paul george acquisition is a huge one for them i do think that they will be better as a result of it but prove it i'll say it once jeremy i'll say it he's no andy ellisberg there we said it

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Juju, are you worried about Jeremy's sickness? Is that one of the reasons also that you're back in weight a little bit? Jeremy is sick. No, I'm not sick.

I'm fine. I'm back. I'm good. I was sick last week. I was sick last week. That would have been strike five. I'm good. I'm not worried about nothing. Yeah, I'm good. I promise. I'm telling you, I'm vibing. I'm checking out my favorite show in the world. You dig me? I love that. I just don't want you to get sick because I know you fly a lot. Good, I'm not sick. And flying when you're sick is bad. I would never show up to work sick. Right. I got sick here one time. One of my coworkers got me sick. From the front row. Right. Literally from the front row. I was sitting right there and I got...

The big C. You got the big C? From the front row, so yeah, I have traumatic memories about this front row seat. What did you think the big C was? Never mind. Moving on. I'd like to talk to someone about what just came to my mind because I feel like that would... Maybe a therapist? Maybe a therapist. I'm surprised, Pablo, you're not more offended. You're like Charlie, and Charlie is a dead fan on the inside, and you are like... Because you...

Spring to the defense of Daryl Morey. He's like Billy Bean, right? He revolutionized the game and didn't win a championship. I just can't get my hackles raised by somebody who just spent like five minutes wishcasting for Zach Levine telling me how the guy who runs the team that I care about, which is, again, a real dicey proposition, admittedly, just keeps on getting stars.

I'm sorry, I thought the whole point of running a basketball team was to get the players that you want to watch. It was to win. No. No, what? No, the point of running a basketball team is to win a f***ing championship. Thank you, Juju. I mean, sorry for cussing and remarking that, but yeah, it was ridiculous what you just said. Yeah, that's crazy. How dare you?

It's just about star acquisition. That's it. It's not about winning. I want to watch good players. Literally, the Heat's plan every offseason is star acquisition. I mean, it's not what they've done the last several years. They've been able to win. No, they've won with all the players that they've developed. They acquired a star. They built around that. They drafted two guys to put around them. I mean...

Look, I think that star acquisition is obviously every team's talent acquisition. No, I heard you guys say that it didn't matter. No, hold on a second. It matters. I just praised acquiring Paul George. I just said that it's an important thing to acquire talent. But there's a difference between just acquiring talent for talent's sake and surrounding it by the same eight role players in every organization that you go to.

and winning a bunch of regular season games and then getting to the postseason and flaming out because you, as Charlie so eloquently put it yesterday, I believe, what is it, fetishize foul merchants? Foul grifters. Foul grifters. Same sort of deal. Because you try to break the game and cheat the game. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that we praise that as some sort of genius when it's honestly, like Dom said,

Billy Bean. It's the same sort of equivalency of a guy who did something different. That's cool. But it didn't ultimately lead to anything. It wasn't that different, Jeremy. He just has the greatest PR next to Jeter of anyone in the sport. Sure. But Billy Bean. Same thing about Daryl Morey then. It's really staggering what Moneyball did for his. A movie helped.

I mean, having Brad Pitt play you is... Yeah, the Brad Pitt part is a huge part of it. The book was good, but your view of Billy Bean is funny. Inside the industry, he's not viewed as the architect of brilliance, that he did something so out of the ordinary. Other teams were doing it, and he also had an amazing young pitching staff and an MVP. Yeah.

When all that Moneyball stuff is going on. Miguel Tejada, baby. I can't forget Miguel Tejada. They do. Gotta be honest with you. It just sounds like hate. No, no, no. Sounds like a bunch of haters. Tim, Barry Zito, Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson. They're all not in the movie. Not in the movie. Yeah, it's crazy. Sounds like a bunch of haters to me. I mean, I think anyone who's had any type of success has been somewhat innovative and somewhat lucky. So, like, you're saying that some of these players you got was lucky. No, I didn't say that at all. Or, well, they're not attributable to his Moneyball strategy, right?

The money ball theory is where you're extracting value where no one else sees value. Got it. He had the most overperforming pitchers in the game and the MVP of the whole league on his team. So he did a great job getting those. That is fantastic. But we've had rotations like that in one, two World Series. Yeah, there's three Marlins. It's kind of similar, honestly. So he's a Miami...

So we're like, we're going to reverse engineer based on the titles we won how our philosophy is the philosophy. Yes. And anybody who seeks to outsmart other people is stupid because the results invalidate the process to me is insane. I'm a consequentialist. Exactly what's insane about this whole thing is that you're trying to use results to then say, you know what? It was culture.

It was culture. And Caleb Martin can say culture.

You want stars that you like to watch, but teams that don't win? How does that even make sense? Again, this is the consequentialism. He's a New Yorker. How dare you? How dare you cut to the core of me? The consequentialism of...

You didn't win and therefore you don't like winning is insane. No, you didn't win. Therefore, you're OK with star acquisition. I want to make clear what my take was and why it was so hot. I said the point of being the general manager of a sports team is to get star players. And it's not.

It's really not. I'm sorry. The hardest thing to do in professional basketball is to get enough of the star players so that historically you can be a team that wins a title. Star players happen to be the ones that I want to watch. I don't want to watch the Miami Heat's band of retconned culture warriors. I want to watch Paul George, Joel Embiid, Tyrese Maxey.

Put Daryl Morey's rings in a box and put Bob Myers' rings in a box. Zero four. That'd be a very clanky box for Myers and a very quiet place, part two, for Morey. Myers acquired Durant, so it's not really. He did acquire a star. That's not his legacy. That's Warriors culture. Jerry West was the one who said don't trade Klay Thompson for Kevin Love. Yeah.

It said he would quit the organization if he did. I don't know if that's really on Bob Myers. But it equaled a championship. However you got there, they was getting champagne poured on them in the locker rooms. So whatever you got to do, Darryl Morey, just put it together for the people of Philadelphia. Bro, you know what? I'm tired of seeing Philadelphia as losers, dog. I got a lot of bearded brothers in Philly, Muslim brothers in Philly that deserve a win, bro. Come on, Darryl Morey, get it together. They could get it with the Phillies. Would that count?

It most definitely would count the same way the Florida Panthers hockey Stanley Cup should count more. I think we're still supposed to be spraying champagne. You feel me? Salute, though. I'd love if we did you guys spray in the in here? Not in here. No, that would have been fun. Very expensive equipment. Did you spray in here? Thank you. That would have been fun. It's always fun.

I think that the Phillies are the best team in baseball and the Dodgers keep getting all the attention. Look what you've done, Dominique. The O's are the best team in baseball. You've gotten us all the way to baseball talk. This is called steering a ship. Leadership from the main seat. He's been great today. What is this alliance that is formed? I'm saying that Dominique has led this show today like a champion and you have been a straight sidekick. Couple of honest bros.

Couple of honest bros. How dare you? Why, you're offended by being a sidekick? Are you offended by this? Wow. What part of that are you offended by? Both somehow. Somehow the first part sounds more pejorative than the second. Your ego is directly correlated to your head count.

Oh, this is about my staff. Oh, gotcha. I didn't know what you were talking about. Great episode yesterday. Excuse me, brother. Pavlo Tori finds out. You forgot your paper again. I know. Are you done promoting that part of yourself? Guys, I'm tired. That's really why you forgot your paper? It's been a hard week for me. How come? Not taking care of the...

Baby or? I forgot to sleep with the CPAP machine again last night. Really? Yeah. Why does this keep happening? We got to put that hustle back in Pablo some kind of way, bro. Dude, that stuff was like contacts in. You need to bring that paper and keep the hustle for the people who work under you, bro. Your team is dependent on you. When you come in here, it's tired. Nah. Pablo Torre finds out and the crew, they are not tired. They are on top of the charts right now, bro. So act like it.

Boom! That's leadership right there. You know what? Juju just gave me a motivational speech holding a tiny Larry O'Brien trophy, and it worked. It did. I'd like you to put a piece of paper on your computer. People are depending on you. 24 people are depending on you. What do you want me to do? He's got the most head count of anyone at Metal Ark. That is not true. Big budget, too. The budget is absurd.

Oh, with a Z. I like that. That's how bad it is. He has more than our show? Yes. Absolutely not. What? 100%. What? You remember earlier in this segment when I pointed at David Sampson and said he's a hater and nobody had my back? This is hate 101 right here. This is hate 101. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. I think that you confuse hate and jealousy.

Wait, is one better than the other? You're jealous. Oh, totally jealous. But it's not hatred. I love you, Pablo. And I love your staff. And I love you. I legitimately love you. There's so many of them, though. There's got to be someone you don't like on that staff. A lot of people to love. They happen to all be amazing. Do you know all their names? No. Pablo, do you? What?

Of course he does. We're not going to do that to my guy. It's a more colloquial use of hate. I don't actually mean you actually hate him. It's just like you being a hater. So when someone has some level of success, rather than celebrating their success, you find ways to undercut it and explain it away and say it's not actually their success. Yes, Dominique.

I'm a hater. Yeah. So rather than saying Pablo produces a great show, you're like, he a lot of money and a lot of help. Like that's no hate. I want to thank my staff right now. Okay. All right. First off, I want to really express appreciation for my favorite producer of all. No reading. Brad. Also great.

This editor, who I rely on every day. Brad! Followed by our line producer who helps with the budgets. Brad! And, and, who can forget? Brad! And? Is that the one where you squeeze the nipple? And you're not going to play the white guy one? It's outrageous. It was white boys, I think, to be fair. I don't think he said white boys. I think he did.

Yeah, he did say boys. We don't have to relitigate that one. I'll make this more about me now. Zerbia. That is a Zerbia. Do you know what I don't ever do? Is root against anyone to succeed. Because...

other than the local teams in the market when you're running one of the local teams in the market, but once you're out of that business, like in this industry. - Did you just catch yourself realizing that your entire life you had done the very thing you say you were not doing now? - That was a part of my life where I've changed completely since then. I want your show and Dan's show and your show and everyone I'm associated with to be great because it will make my show greater.

Is this one of your like every month should be Black History Month takes or is this a different? No, it's totally different. It's about how much I root for everybody where I didn't. I wasn't used to that. I wasn't. I didn't feel I was on a team. What changed? Let me put on my dang. Hold on. Hold on. We're going to we're going to do some. You're president of a sports team and you felt separated from that. You said I've never felt like I was on a team.

- A player on a team. - Okay, okay, okay. - I'd be in the clubhouse, but being a player, and I was on teams. I was on the track team. - Oh, what events? - I did the hurdles. - Did Ernie Grunfeld teach you how to hurdle? - No, no. I learned how to hurdle because there was no one else who would do it. And that's how I got on varsity track. And I needed a varsity sports letter to put on my college application.

And so I did track and I wasn't good, but I was willing to do it. I went to practice every, what does that mean? Go screw yourself. The answer is that I worked hard. I came to the mic to salute you for change and then go screw yourself. Well, because that was so mean to me, Juju. You say I'm not athletic. Oh yeah. Go screw yourself. Did I say that? Juju, did I say I wasn't athletic?

Everybody knows that an approximately 65-inch long person is really, really good at a sport that involves jumping over hurdles that may or may not be about that high. I just was surprised. Saved my sack, though.

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