The Big Suey: Shower Beer Math
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Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? A podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

We're going to onboard David Sampson and Adnan here, and they have a top five today that I already took issue with. We'll explain that in a moment, but Adnan is an Emmy Award winning host for MLB Network. David Sampson hosts Nothing Personal. As baseball chaps, you all know that. So I'm going to start with a baseball question, and really something that's sad, which is Mike Trout. He's barely played. This is one recognized as...

arguably his generation's greatest baseball player, and we're seeing his body betray him. Is this a deal where a change of scenery will all of a sudden make him healthy? What is going on here with Mike Trout? Adnan, we begin with you. Adnan, you're muted. Adnan, I'm going to take it right back, and I'm going to begin with David now. David, you have the floor.

Here's the problem with Mike Trout. It is no longer a situation where you say, oh, he's just injury prone. It's going to get better. He's played one game after the All-Star break in three of the last four seasons. Think about that. That would be a stat of the day.

So we don't have to do it because I'll do it. Stat of the day, stat of the day. One game. Where is this going with Mike Trout? It means that Mike Trout's now closer to Don Mattingly than he is to one of the best players who ever played. So give me the front office opinion. If you're doing an eval, let's say you have a different budget and you're approaching this much differently than you did from your time down here in South Florida. You guys were buyers occasionally, the DeGeneres.

Delgado move was a good one. You guys went for it occasionally. You criticized me for all the buys we did where we traded away prospects who ended up being good. Dude, let me tell you. My favorite era of Marlins baseball were the few years after you won the World Series where you went for it. You made the LaDuca trade, the great trade with the Dodgers. You went after Delgado. You guys were competing for it, and that's all I really ever wanted from it. I gave you some credit there, but jeez, all right. I'm taking it so...

How about Carlos Lee? Your show's called Nothing Personal. Remember Carlos Lee? I do remember. And you guys, that was a good example. Like, I'm good with you guys going forward and failing. So, separate yourself from how you used to do business because we just highlighted the success. You did a lot of sales and capitulated. Terrible, both ways. So...

Let's say you're the Mariners, a team that's right there. You've got a good pitching staff. You definitely need a bat. Say this is next season. How do you evaluate his talent like Mike Trout? You have his contract, obviously, but where do you project this player? You just mentioned Don Mattingly, and that would give you pause, certainly.

Well, Don Mattingly was a certain Hall of Famer, except he just couldn't be healthy. He hurt his back. And I think about $213 million over six years. And I ask this question on nothing personal. I ask it of any baseball fan who loves baseball. Would you sign Mike Trout to $213 million over six years right now? Did you hear Ednan Burke check his microphone? I apologize. David was making an excellent point. I just want to double check. A little quiet. Check, check, check. Okay, I am here as well. We heard you.

I'm with Simpson. He's Don Mattingly now, man. Three-time MVP, and now you've got these injuries. I guess he's a Hall of Famer because how many three-time MVPs are there? But to your point, Mike, last offseason, remember there was rumors, stuff being leaked out. David remembers this. The Angels basically saying, hey, we wouldn't be averse to trading Mike if he was open to that, but he has...

He has all the cards in his hand, like, wink, wink, Mike. If you want to wave this thing, and everyone says, look at the Phillies. He's from Millville, New Jersey. He grew up a Phillies fan, South Jersey. We know Dave Dombrowski wants to buy, buy, buy John Middleton. So the time to make a move for Mike Trout would have been a season ago for the Phillies. Now he's really damaged goods. Like, I feel horrible for Mike, and I feel horrible for the Angels. Like, this guy has only played 48% of games over the past four years going into this year, and he barely played this year. It's really frustrating. Did we just wake you up?

Like, let's be honest here. You had the computer troubles. You battled through Phlegm. Bedhead. The energy's there. Energy's there. But the Phlegm is also there. What did you do in the shower this morning? I have young kids. I've been up since 7, but I look disheveled. So I didn't just wake up, but I look like hell because I've been up since 7. I have young kids. And I've kicked them out. I'm in a hotel in Boston. I said, you guys have to stay outside here. I'm on the Dan Levitard show. But no, I did not just wake up.

But I look like hell. They're just in the hallway? All you have to say is kids. No, they're not in the hall. I was joking, coding, coding. I gave them to my wife. They're down having breakfast. I'll show you the eggs. We've got eggs over here. Let me see those eggs. Hotel eggs? They can't be good. Great scrambled hotel eggs. There we go. Got cheese on that? Fantastic. Before we get into the top five, which is top five motion picture soundtracks, which has already got me fired up.

I want to talk to you about the 90s in general. I am revisiting the 90s right now, seeing some movies that I had maybe seen once in my life or bits and pieces of. I hope you're going to say Wild Things, Mike, but go ahead. Dude, I'd watch Wild. I don't need a refresher course on Wild Things. Yeah, I burned Wild Things out through my most formative years. That's a Tuesday.

But I revisited films this week like Crimson Tide, which I gave five stars. That was an absolute banger of a movie. I watched Backdraft, which doesn't quite hold up, but it's got an unbelievable cast. And I started watching, because I wasn't aware of this, Backdraft 2, which was made in 2019. There was a sequel in which many of the cast reprise their roles. So I'm just...

I wanted to ask you generally, how do you feel about the 90s? Because if you look at the Best Picture nominees, you can make a very strong argument for the 90s being the golden age of cinema.

Listen, the 70s for me, Mike, is the best ever. And to be specific, it's 1967, 1977, Bonnie and Clyde, The Graduate, The First Two Godfathers, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, etc. But you're right, the 90s is outstanding because that was that great indie wave. And you had Pulp Fiction and Fargo and Secrets and Lies and, you know, The Big Lebowski and like filmmakers taking chances and students willing to do that. Now, this era right now kind of reminds me of the 80s. It's a lot of recycled movies and the lack

of inspiration in superhero movies, etc. So, 90s movies have a real soft spot for me. Those are some of my favorite films. Magnolia back in 1999, Goodfellas in 1990. I'm sure David agrees with me. The 90s was a great decade. I can't imagine that you think the 80s were full of recycled movies. Just start and end with John Hughes. Every one of those was original. Every one of those was all about what it is to grow up. And if you're an 80s child, I don't think you view the 80s as recycled at all.

it was the sequel generation you can ask anybody knows anything about movies the 80s was when they had these big budget movies blockbusters they make one tooth look at rocky one two three four i mean this was the era of the 80s of recycled sequels the 90s was more original filmmaking miramax and the rise of harvey weinstein etc we all know but harvey off the field horrible guy as far as cinematically speaking the 90s is a real boon i can't believe you think the 80s was like a rich fertile era there's no way that was you ask anybody 70s and 90s great 80s no

I've become a real admirer. I was when he was with us. Tony Scott tragically took his own life. I'm revisiting a lot of his films right now because I love his

Generally, the narratives that he established, especially with action movies, he found a way to make you care about characters in ways that action movies all too often miss the mark. I think Man on Fire is a premier example of how to get you invested in characters and still have a kick-ass action movie. Crimson Tide, when people recount all the great movies that Tony Scott did, I think should be...

possibly regarded at the very top of the heap because you have Tony Scott at the top of his game. You have Zimmer scoring at the top of his game. You have Denzel and Gene Hackman who might be the most underrated actor of his generation because he didn't

The roles that he chose were interesting in that he never really wore prosthetics. He never really went for big historical academy cash grabs. Are we talking Denzel or Hackman? We're talking about Hackman in particular because- Mississippi burning? Yeah. Hackman.

Hackman, generally in his career, avoided prosthetics, avoided going for roles that you would deem Oscar bait, and he still knocked it out of the park. And you had two actors that were playing off one another in spectacular ways. And I think it holds up, especially with everything in the news stream. I'm...

And then I look back at the year that was 1995 and I saw in the 96 Academy Awards, Babe got nominated for Best Picture, which Babe is a fine movie. Crimson Tide did not. It seemed as though Crimson Tide kind of got left by the wayside as all these other movies did.

Braveheart won that year. I think Crimson Tide is actually better than Braveheart. Crimson Tide is an incredible movie. You should all rewatch it. I'm begging for you guys to have a good opinion. A favorable opinion. I love this crusade towards Crimson Tide. I get like this about movies. I get like this about Heat. I get like this about Collateral. When I find a movie that still resonates and connects and everything is great. He's been talking about it all morning. He can't get out of Crimson Tide. Crimson Tide.

You guys love it? Five stars? I happen to love Crimson Tide, but I do have it behind Braveheart. And although now looking back, I try not to watch Braveheart or think about Braveheart. But at the time, I had that well above. I was not a Babe fan personally. That'll do. I think it's because I'm kosher. Gene Hackman's best role, clearly the birdcage. Gene Hackman was in a mid-90s heater.

You have Denzel realizing that, you know, like I've gotten this, I've gotten the Academy attention. Like, let me go for biggest movie star on the planet status, see if that's achievable. And I think everybody did a bang up job here. All right. So let's get to it.

Yeah, no way out great. Listen, Unforgiven, obviously. We want to go French Connection, The Conversation. I'll say this, Mike, for Crimson Tide. There's some incredible scenes of Denzel Hackman just shouting at each other. Like, Hall of Fame shouting, Gene Hackman is A+. A lot of racial tension that by the end, well, throughout the movie is subtle.

and then by the end becomes a little bit more overt. But I think you can make an argument in terms of like workplace dramas. This is a great film. Uh, every, there's a lot of great supporting cast. Gandolfini understands the excitement, uh, the assignment and is seemingly too, too excited for, for it. It's just a great, great film. All right. The top fives here. We'll begin with Samson. That's how we do it. Right, Chris? We do. We do. Yeah. Uh, I,

I have a real bone to pick with this, and I'll say it on the front end. The soundtrack has to be an original motion picture soundtrack. There are a lot of great soundtracks, especially in the 90s. Let me get my argument off the ground. A preemptive crapping of our list before Samson and I have even spoken. Because I've made my own list because I was aware of the loopholes that you guys used. I love the preemptive crapping. I did it right before the show. Yeah.

Your soundtracks are more compilation albums. And I think an original motion picture soundtrack has to support the art, has to be created for the film itself. Original music meant to supplement the film. And now you can get music from the time that helps supplement a movie, and that could be great. But I think for this discussion, you have to provide that caveat.

And I think that you could have had a top five that was of top five original movie songs or soundtracks. That's great. But this top five is top five movie soundtracks. All right, David, let's get underway. But leave me enough time. Leave me the 40 seconds to do the OSTs. I'll go right through it and just tell you number five across the universe.

Across the universe, it's Beatles songs, but it's sung... Wait a minute. This counts for you, Mike. It's sung by Jim Sturgis and Evan Rachel Wood. You were great. So I assume that counts. No, is it great? I love the movie. Love the soundtrack. Not an original motion picture soundtrack. That was a movie? These are Beatles songs. It's more of a... Oh, so it has to be songs...

sung by people originally written like the Dirty Dancing soundtrack. The only one that counts is Hungry Eyes. David, I know your top five. You have a ton of jukebox musicals in there. This just doesn't count, in my opinion. Doesn't count. He's going to hate our lists. I don't care. Number four, The Big Chill. Awesome. Give him a big horn. Big Chill's awesome, David. Go ahead. There's only one horn. I'm not even going to defend it. I will defend Number 30, though. Incredible soundtrack.

Number three is a movie called Harold and Maude. Harold and Maude is a movie with Ruth Gordon and a young boy whose name escapes me. And then I, Bud, his name is Bud somebody. It's about an octogenarian in a relationship with a younger boy, not inappropriate. And the soundtrack is Cat Stevens. And it is a fantastic movie, fantastic soundtrack. Hal Ashby, the director, very underrated. Obviously made a lot of great 70s films. It's a good call. Bud Cort. Bud Cort was his name. That's right.

Not that old. Number two. This has original songs, Mike. So this wins Moulin Rouge. It's got some mashups, but it does have some songs written just for the movie. That's a jukebox musical. They're singing Smells Like Teen Spirit. What are you doing? What about Come What May? There are some original songs on there, but largely that is what is referred to as a jukebox musical.

I don't think that you can come up with the top five list of soundtracks that are all original songs, the entire soundtrack. David, number one, like the most romantic part of the movie. They're singing Elton John's your song. I know. I love that. I watched that scene over and over again. And number one, Jim Broadbent. I love you. Number one.

Almost Famous. That's not disputable. Stillwater, that's some original songs. But it's also derivative of the time and there's plenty of songs that Cameron Crowe was a fan of that's in there. So it's more of a compilation soundtrack in my opinion. But anybody would suggest if you're doing just a catch-all for motion picture soundtracks, that would be up there in anybody's list.

And it's a great film. It's my number one. It's my number one film of all time. Yeah, it's your favorite movie ever. And I think it counts because it does have some original music. Do you have the Stillwater t-shirt? I do. Where Billy Crudup is just like the only one that's in the focus? He's in the front. Yeah. All right, go ahead, Adnan. Leave me 40 seconds, okay? I will, Mike. Don't worry. You're going to hate my list, too. Philip Seymour Hoffman, Lester Banks, all-time great. Number five. It's basically just one song where they play it over and over. Radio Raheem!

It's Do the Right Thing. Fight the power over and over the soundtrack. Blazing in 1989. The soundtrack, the anthem of the summer. David, great song, great soundtrack. Not known for its soundtrack, though. Number four, Trainspotting. Boom, boom, boom.

Also not known for its soundtrack. It is. Iggy Pop right out of the gate. Lost for Life, Mike. I knew you'd like this. Great, great soundtrack. Lost for Life's not written for Trainspotting. Correct, but it is a great soundtrack, which I knew you'd back me up on. Lou Reed also in the soundtrack. Number three, you're going to hate this one. This is a jukebox musical. I'll give you that one. American Graffiti.

Great 60s, 70s music. Awesome soundtrack. Number two, I'm completely with David. Motown for life. Big chill. Awesome movie. Jeff Goldblum loves the Motown. And number one, Mike's going to hate it. People are going to love it, though. I'm telling you right now. 30th anniversary. One of the great films of all time. A great soundtrack from Quentin Tarantino. It made Neil Diamond cool. Pulp Fiction. Number one.

Neil Diamond made Neil Diamond cool. All right, so just let's get that out of the way. The Red Sox made Neil Diamond cool. No, Neil Diamond was... Saving Silverman might have made Neil Diamond cool. When you compare number ones here, it's clear that David won because Almost Famous is about that soundtrack. Pulp Fiction is not about that soundtrack. It just happens to have a few good songs. If all the chips are stuck together... Not more than a few good songs. Iconic soundtrack. Go ahead, Cody. Go ahead, Cody. It's one nacho if they're all stuck together.

Mike, I need your list badly because I can't think of five movies that would qualify with your rules. All right. So like non-Disney division, because we were having a big argument about how Phil Collins absolutely killed it with Tarzan. And I decided that if I included Disney in this, it would all be Disney soundtrack. So that's a topic for another day. But before you give your list, Mike, I really hope you have one which is all just like orchestral music. I mean, it's all just Hans Zimmer score. I'll love it.

There are some really good... We'll do scores another day. Number five. Number five. Grease. Tell me more. Tell me more. I got chills.

They're multiplying. They're multiplying. So for number four, this Cape Crusader had so many great soundtracks that I wore out when I was a kid. So I had to basically decide one Batman song, one Batman album to eliminate the genre. I was torn between Batman 89, Batman and Robin, but I settled on Batman Forever as number four. Interesting. Okay. Number three, super problematic. Let's Not Stay Here, but Space Jam was an absolute... Peter! Peter! Peter!

Number two, underrated, Black Panther, OST. And number one, Saturday Night Fever, shame on you for not. Species watching, get Richard Dutron above the rim, juice, bottle of black and black panthers. Wow. Above the rim, great one. That a boy, Juju.

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I do. I walk around here like it's Disney World with one giant piece of turkey at all times. This is the Don Levitas Show with the Stugats. Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. So, Mike, I want to get into...

basketball, Olympic basketball with you because you're wearing the hat. But I had just gotten a text during the break from my buddy Warren and all it said was shower beers are amazing. And then I turned back to this math that Tony was doing and speaking of amazing, all right, I want Tony to explain, right? But when you get to the part about how often you hang out,

or nights per week, I want you to pause for me, okay? Okay. But give me the math on you figuring out how many shower beers you have had since, and we're just going to keep it this way, since you've turned 21 years old. Yes, of course, because you can only drink after you turn 21 years old. Of course, even in the shower, the rules are you can only drink at 21. 21 and over, yeah, exactly. So...

Prime going out years 21 to 27. So we're given a six-year sample here of going out. I feel like we could agree, though, normally college years are the biggest years of going out where you're going out multiple. General consensus. But Izzy definitely. No, Izzy's an outlier. Again, we do this for the average, not the outlier. So 52 weeks in a year last time I checked. We've got about two and a half nights out per week. Pause. Okay. You're talking. First of all.

Every single week. You mean your weekend? Already booked. Every single week from 21 to 27, you're going out every single weekend and then one other night? Two and a half is key because Wednesday was boogies, Thursday was grow. Thank you. And then you had your weekends, too. Also, you had wing it Wednesdays at Flanny's. Yes.

zero exceptions. Tumbleweed Tuesdays? Every single weekend. Wait, going to wing it Wednesday counts as going out? Yeah, because you're having beers. Yeah, you're slamming them Okay, so this is like you're counting going out as any social gathering where you're having a drink, not like going to a club. I'm with Jess. I think of pre-gaming as a major event, right? If I'm drinking in the shower, I better be staying out till 5 a.m. No, I'm not

I don't drink in the shower to pregame. I drink in the shower because I find that beer enjoyable. Okay. This is on the basis of pregame. We fundamentally disagree on the premise of shower beers and that's fine. For the sake of Tony's argument, it's a pregame shower beer. I do it because I like it. There's more math involved here too though. Tony likes it too. I'm getting in the weeds here, but Tony, is it 21 through 27 or stopping at 27? Stopping at 27. So 21 through 27. It's the same prime range. Because if it's through 27, it's actually seven years.

And you got an extra year there. If you do the math. Okay, well I did it to 27. Okay, so six years. So you're stopping at 27. Yeah, so we got six years somewhere here. Back out of the weeds. Your 26th Eve birthday where you turn 27 is the last night. Right, correct. Yeah. So you're not born one years old. Right, exactly. Although some people consider like the nine months that you were in the womb. 52 weeks. Two and a half nights out per week again. Friday, Saturday, but then you can also mix in a Thursday, Wednesday, Monday, depending on what the situation was.

We minus two weeks out if you're sick, right? Something else happens. I love this. You know, like you have to have a buffer of two weeks where you're not at your A game going out, right? Otherwise, that's crazy. Exactly. And a round number for you. 50 easier to multiply with. I see what you're doing. I don't know what that's supposed to mean. But...

So we've got an average of about, remember, 1.25 shower beers per week. So not every time I'm going out am I having a shower beer. Shout out to the squiggly equal signs. You don't see that many more times after college. Exactly. I'm definitely paying attention. So 1.25 shower beers per week on two and a half nights out per week. So-

We may not be having a shower beer every time we go out, but we're averaging about 1.25 shower beers per week. So there are times you're going to have more than one in the shower? No, that's half the time. Guys, if he goes out 2.5 times a week and he's only having 1.25 shower beers a week, that means half the time he goes out during the week, he's having a shower beer. That's an incredible cadence, by the way. I look at a shower beer as a treat.

This is something that only happens a handful of times a year for me. Let the subject turn to shower beers and all of a sudden a mathematician over there, Chris Cone. You're having 60 shower beers a year, give or take? So we're looking at... Don't jump ahead. I've never had that many in my life. So we've got about 50 weeks per year that we're going out. Obviously, we minus the two weeks. So we're at 50 weeks per year at about two and a half nights out per week, right? Okay. Which gives us the...

possibility for 125 shower beers. Okay. Okay. We divide that by what we have an average of per week on beers, which is 1.25 shower beers per week with 125 possibilities of shower beer. Why didn't you just multiply 50 by 1.25? Yeah, because I had to show look as impressive. Exactly. Thank you. It's a beautiful mind. It's not just two. Exactly. I can't. You want me to put just 600? Is that what you want? You just wanted me to write 600? Yeah. No.

That's not how we do things. A man showing his work. Okay. Thank you, Chris. 125 shower beer possibilities to 100. SPBs. Yes. SPBs. Thank you. 1.25 shower beers per week equals about roughly 100 shower beers per year.

Now, we multiply 100 shower beers per year on average by six years that we did 21 to 27. We're looking at seven if it's through 27. Yep. 600 shower beers over a six-year span. Again, that's not every time you're having a shower beer when you go out. That's 1.25 shower beers per the 52 weeks per the six years. I'm a little confused because I thought we were going to you on why the shower beer just hits better. Hmm. How many calories in a Miller Lite? 95. 95.

Can we go back? How did you get the 100? Per 12. How many ounces? 12? 12. Tony, where did 100 come from? Where did 100 come from? 100 SB. Certainly less than premium regular beer. We divide 125 shower beer possibilities by the 1.25 average shower beers per week, which gets us to 100 shower beers per year. Let's just agree that it's an approximation because some people just don't drink backwash.

It's also approximately 57,600 calories you've taken in just in the shower. Yeah, but the shower is working some off because you've taken a hot shower here. Okay, 57,500. Again, it's a six-year span, though. If you have 1.25 shower beers per week and you're drinking 50 weeks of the year, that's 62 shower beers, not 100. Oh.

I'm trying to see what your math is. I don't get what you're what you're mapping. I don't I don't get that. You said you're 52 weeks in a year minus two weeks if you're sick or you're not going out. Exactly. You average 1.25 shower. Here's where here's where you're doing it wrong. You have to get the 50 weeks times your 2.5 nights out per week. That gives you 125 shower beer possibilities which then you average right. Right. Which then you get 1.25. Why does it slap though?

Just because I think it's the mix of the heat from the shower, the coldness of the Miller Lite, and then the anticipation of more Miller Lites post-shower that just gets you to a different place. I'll tell you why it hits differently. Because you're thinking about, hey, look, I can drink naked. And then maybe if I go out, maybe I'll get naked and drink there too. This is going to be awesome. Well done. Thank you. The math checks out, so I'm going to...

retire this oh mathing over thank you i was really hoping we could quantify why it connects but you you did well i i can only state why it hits different i do the math on how many we can have yeah naturally why it why it connects is more vibes a little confused i'm confused too but 600 i mean that's a big number i wish he would have just ended with bam and then we could have transitioned right into the we can transition right into bam and uh you know i'm not emerald i think uh

I think many people think that I'm anti-BAM. And I understand that because at times I've been like... You and Brian Windhorst, anti-BAM for life. I'm not anti-BAM. Didn't Dan do something like that on PTI? Yeah, and it was like a whole thing with Emeril. Yes, that's exactly it. Wait, we got to get the camera on Chris because he did it better than Dan ever did. Camera on Chris.

I think Bam is an exceptional international center. I think he's a great center regardless. My whole thing with Bam is not even a thing on Bam. It's like, I just want better talent around Bam because I think if you look at international basketball, you're seeing that he gets unlocked in ways that he'd probably ask him to do too much and his teammates are a little bit too limited.

So I'm not anti-Bam. I'm anti not getting more help from Bam. I've heard you talk about like he's willing to let anyone be the guy. That's why everyone wants to be here. That's true. We've taken shots at him. He's on this team of stars and I know it's a different style of play but we gotta give him his flowers. I do and I think that

These are fair criticisms in that I think a lot of alphas want to play in Miami in part because BAM complements their skill set and they know that they don't necessarily have to rip the team away from BAM. But on the international game, I think it actually gives my argument a little bit more steam in that if you put different type of players around them, better players around them, you get an even better BAM. And if you make BAM your third best player as opposed to arguably your first best player, now you're cooking.

Well, regardless of who's at fault, I'm not saying that you guys are responsible for the national discourse or perhaps international discourse about Bam Adebayo. But it made me laugh when Brian Windhorst got into this conversation—that's why I mentioned it to him—where he was talking about the South Sudan team and how they're athletic and they've got these wings that, you know, your big guys are going to have to switch on to.

And then he said somebody like Bam Adebayo might not get playing time or as much playing time because the whole discussion being Jason Tatum didn't play last time. He will play this time. I'm a little confused by that, not to cut you off. But I think he's a... Anytime I watch Joel Embiid start, and it seems as though they've tried to force feed Joel Embiid in the early going, I think out of the three bigs that are getting playing time on this team, Bam, Anthony Davis, and Joel...

He's the one least equipped for the international game. Joel. Yeah. And I'd rather see Bam and Anthony Davis, who I think is probably underrated in this discussion, get more PT. Which if you asked people who just watched any of Team USA or even just know international basketball at all and know how Joel Embiid plays, if you would have started with the premise that there's going to be more South Sudanese players, wings that need to be defended, it's

immediately you have to think Joel Embiid is the guy of the bigs who's not going to get the minutes. The fact that Brian Windhorst, who knows more basketball than most people will ever know, he saying Bam would be the guy to sit just is mind-boggling to think that that is what the national...

of him is when he is most suited to do that and frankly the best of those three bigs to do so. We totally agree. I'd like to get Juju and Tony's thoughts on this because they know ball. Juju, what is your experience in watching Joel Embiid and understanding that you're more of a Celtics fan anyways and I've heard you, but

on the international game specifically with Joel Embiid, it seems as though he tries to lean on some stuff that he does in the NBA. It's not necessarily working out for him. You see defenders that are better equipped for the international game really taking advantage of the lack of three seconds. And I think that it kind of sticks out in the international game. Whatever gulf is there in the NBA between perceived gulf between Joel and Bam and Anthony Davis is

It's not there in the international game. That's at least what my eyes are telling me. For sure. I think that his style of play combined with his injuries that he has right now that he's fighting through, it just doesn't make sense for him to be here at all. I think someone like Paulo Banqueiro or just someone younger with fresh legs and just gold in their eyes, you dig me, would have been a better option. But it looks goofy at times,

in the international game because referees ain't filing for that, man. You look crazy as hell filing out over this little man in your arm. You feel me? What you think, Tony? I think that there's... It's okay to have some players more suitable for an international game than an NBA game. Like, that's the reason...

You don't think so, Izzy? I think so. I think Joel is more suited for the NBA and what the NBA brings as far as the game style than he does internationally. He looks too big. He looks just in the middle of the lane. He doesn't move enough. He doesn't move enough. That's the thing. The Sixers have a very specific bill to have Joel as their centerpiece. T.

Team USA has 19 killers on them that can get a bucket at any second. Joel's just kind of clogged in the lane, always in the middle. Somebody's trying to drive and he's just kind of there like, excuse me, sorry. By the way, the U.S. has several times in recent history have gotten specialists that don't make all-star teams but show up on international basketball teams specific to certain roles. But as a work with a big team.

Like Joel. The thing that sticks out specifically about Joel, outside of everything that we've outlined, is they're force-feeding him in the early going to get him in rhythm. And I kind of hearken back to my experience watching soccer in that you have an athlete that had a choice to make. And it almost seems, although I don't think that international basketball is this competitive, like...

You almost made a promise to Joel Embiid that if he picked the United States, he would start, you would feed him the ball. Because I see that in soccer all the time, that if someone chose the United States over Germany, they're on that team sheet. They're one of the first names. They're going to get the opportunities here because that's sort of the recruiting promise that you made. Kind of like college basketball promises, college football promises. I just thought that Team USA and basketball would be above that because everyone's entering it with the same amount of ego. Right.

Maybe I'm naive for having that approach to it. I think to Tony's point, the idea of there being specialists that is OK for the Olympic team, I think it makes all the sense in the world. There are enough rule changes between the NBA and international game to make it a different enough game that you don't just throw all the best NBA players in there.

Like you mentioned about Joel Embiid not moving enough. That is the international game, man. There's not very many people just, unless it's on a major switch or something and it's obvious, that just dump it in and go to work. And so I think, yeah, you can do that without insulting the players. It could be the best player in the NBA. Just maybe doesn't work for Team USA.

It's why Melo was so good, right? Like he could get his game in the international game and be an all-star superstar at the Olympic and international level where, again, he was great in the NBA at what he did, but he could flow so much easier when there was more motion. It just feels like Joel stuck in the mud. I would rather see a guy like Jared Allen, for example. He has...

the trim body up and down the court and he can knock them balls off of the rim like in national play. Yeah. Are you saying specifically that you wouldn't even have him beat on the roster because that's a take. Yeah, I wouldn't have him on the roster if I'm the coaches. Why have him beat on the roster? He's shown you like he's been through so much over the past couple of months from the cerebral palsy to just the knee injury. Bro, rest up. You got PG-13 coming on the way and the process should be trusted.

You mentioned the differences in the games and I feel like I was just getting accustomed to how the WNBA refs were using the whistle this season and then now I'm watching the Olympics and I don't know what the hell is going on. It is so physical but even watching yesterday, it's sort of a similar conversation to the women's game. The U.S. is really good because Breanna Stewart and Aja Wilson run the floor and they're super fast and long and they can kind of just

play ahead of everyone else and so it's giving them the advantage there but I do not envy any coach that has to manage a roster with this many superstars on it it's happening with men and women fans getting really upset they're not seeing their favorite player play they're not getting enough minutes they're not getting enough time to get in rhythm so they're just not shooting well right off the bat and then they're on the bench like

Man, that has to be a really hard position to be in if you're a coach because you want to win the game, but you want to keep players healthy and you want to keep people energized for the next round. But at the same time, you're managing egos, you're managing minutes. It just seems like a complete mental game right now. I also don't want to just harp on Joel Embiid. I think it's a style thing with big men. 2004, Tim Duncan, many people think he's the greatest big man ever, did not do anything for that team.

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seeing the gravity of what I did. And, you know, we'll make it to year's end. Cancel Christmas. Yeah. But thankfully, I knew I had the best deals with game time there. But one of the things that I did during that Stanley Cup run was I consumed every bit of content that I could about hockey, the tremendous NHL playoffs. And two of the shows that I would turn to were 32 Thoughts

and the Jeff Merrick Show. Jeff Merrick, a part of both. Essentially co-hosting 32 Thoughts with LA Friedman, a tremendous reporter on the NHL site. He's basically Woj for the NHL. Jeff Merrick, even keeled host, has covered the sport for so many years. And a lot of hockey fans like myself and Roy were bummed to hear this news. What was weird about the separation of Jeff Merrick and Sportsnet, because...

These shows are no longer going to exist with Jeff Merrick on them. Certainly, it'd be tough for the Jeff Merrick show to continue without Jeff Merrick. We had a lot more questions than answers, and it was very strange. And some reporters got to digging, and Roy read up on it. And so, Roy, I'm coming to you here to explain to me the very latest development on one of the more beloved characters that covers hockey. All right, so we found out that Jeff Merrick was tipping the picks at the NHL draft, and

Apparently in Nevada, they actually have sports books now dedicated to the NHL draft. He sent the tip picks to a friend of his. His name is Mark Seidel, who has a scouting service. And Seidel went to Twitter to correctly predict these draft picks. So the NHL went to the Nevada Gaming Control Board, and they both had separate investigations into the matter. And then we noticed between the NHL draft and last week that Jeff Merrick's

has slowly disappeared up until finally Sportsnet decided to part ways with Joe Merrigan because he was giving proprietary information to somebody outside of the company.

So it depends on how you view these things. Didn't Schefter do this or somebody? You could say that, well, it seems as though there was a lot more lead time. That's where I initially landed on this. I'm like, so we're penalizing Jeff Merrick for doing something that we celebrate, depending on how you view those things, as spoilers. But...

that things that Woj and Shams and Schefter do routinely. But this investigation suggests that you have the gambling element here in which the NHL, I certainly understand why they have to be more buttoned up here. But this also seems distinctly Canadian. That's what I was. Yeah. Well, beyond the scenes with any drafts, the league tells the production truck,

who the pick's going to be from the team before they announce it to the audience so they can get the graphics ready, the video ready, the information about the player ready. But we're talking about a lot more lead time, so much so that someone was able to actually win money on this inside information. So especially with someone of Jeff's reputation, there's a lot of integrity there. They said that Jeff Merrick did not stand to have any financial gain from it. And is it clear as to whether or not he knew that this information that he was giving would be used...

specific to gambling uh no it's not and jeff hasn't really been speaking about any of this oh he's been buttoned up he hasn't said he went on a social media uh he did not say anything on social media about it up until when he said a i'm leaving sports yeah my mind where my mind went to is like how would this story go if this was one of the more prominent nba writers because i i actually think that they could survive something like this now espn has its own sports book

and we're in a very murky place. They're league partners. When you add the gambling aspect of this, I understand how it's further complicated. I do hope, just because I'm a fan of his, that Jeff not only has an opportunity to explain himself, because I do think that there's a difference as to whether or not he knew that the information that he was getting was going to be used like this. And even if he did, I think he's still the type of person that deserves a second chance because I'm pro second chances. Also, selfishly,

I was a huge fan of his work and I would hate to see that go. They essentially broke up a Canadian Kornheiser and Wilbon here with free J and Merrick. And we lose because of this whole very unfortunate situation. Thanks for cleaning that up. And speaking of cleaning things up, I want to circle back to a really polarizing segment that I'm not necessarily proud of that we had about Coco golf or earlier this week. No Coco golf, not a great Olympics for the co flag bearer. Um, unfortunate there. Uh,

I think Serena Williams really changed a lot of the math when it comes to women's tennis unfairly. Women's tennis in particular has always generally been, unless there's a goat atop of it, very difficult to predict, in part because the matches are shorter, but you have a lot of Grand Slam winners that are relative flashes in the pan. You don't have someone atop the sport like you had with Serena, but because Serena existed...

Everyone was looking for the next Serena. We've done this a couple of times, and we don't pay attention to how many times someone stumbles with that. And it's a lot of pressure that we're putting on these athletes in a sport that is relatively way more random than it is on the men's side. So, Izzy, let's circle back to the Coco thing that we were talking about.

And I just want to say on the front end, I kind of feel like the general point that I was trying to make was missing. That's my bad because I didn't communicate it and it became more of like a meltdown in sports. And I thought that my opinion came off a little dissenting when it was more of a mainstream idea. Basically, the point that I was trying to make, and I sincerely failed in doing so, was...

I know that my daughter is going to face hardships when she plays sports. I know that there are going to be hormonal things as she gets older. There are going to be frustrations. There are going to be outsized reactions. I don't want this to be a data point fresh in her mind that if she encounters a hardship situation,

for a four-year-old, the hardship could be, no, we're not going to go to Chuck E. Cheese right now. That a 10-minute breakdown saying this always happens to me isn't, because Coco did it, isn't an experience that you should borrow from. So I really miss the mark in being able to do that. And I really have my regrets in saying things like, you guys don't really have children here. But I think that is a contributing factor as to how that message was missed because I was working under the assumption that that was assumed. Yeah.

So first of all, when we're talking about women's sports, don't say hormonal. Don't be one of the first things you bring up. No, no, no. It's just going to be jumped all over. Yeah, no. I know what you mean. I understand that. I mean, like with a four-year-old, I know that my daughter is going to change. There are both things that we can control. It could be a boy or a girl. They could control their emotions, whatever you want to talk about. I get that. I get that. All right. Fair enough. But the part about like...

I'm taking sports out of it. And I said this the other day, I felt like you, me and Jess the other day, we're almost having two or three different conversations because I'm taking the sports out of it. And I'm, all I'm saying is as a father and I have a bunch of nieces and nephews, I've raised kids that aren't even mine. Um,

You expecting your daughter to be perfectly formed as she goes along, regardless of who she learns it from, is naive. She's going to learn bad habits, bad behavior, bad something from somebody. It could be anybody. As a parent, if I'm watching her potentially learn that from somebody who, even if it's somebody that she thinks is somebody that she should look up to, I'm glad I'm there.

I'm glad I'm there because I want her to see it. I want her to learn from it. And even if you're saying at this age, she can't handle all that, fine. Maybe she takes it, downloads it, and it comes out back in the future. And you can be like, ha ha, I know where this is coming from. I was there. I watched that happen.

you have more knowledge as a parent on what your daughter is going through, what she's seen and what she's experienced. If you shield her from Coco, she might see it in school from somebody else where you don't even have the fortune, the good fortune of being there to know how she took that in. - Understood all good points. And I would say that I think I'd surprise you with how well equipped I am for very difficult conversations

and random questions that a four year old would ask. - I said that to you the other day, sorry to interrupt, but I said that to you the other day, I said if that's what your experience is and that's what you believe you and your daughter are prepared for at the moment, fine, I'm not opposed to that. What I'm saying is you're speaking in general and I feel like that is probably a little too strong from your side. - So here's where my point missed the mark in that

You explain that to me, and I think where you're missing the mark is I know all those things. I know that there are certain things I can't control. I know that there are things that can affect my daughter's behavior and how she reacts to things that I'm going to have to react to in real time.

There are also things that I can control. For example, there was this YouTube show that she was watching on YouTube Kids where I didn't like how the children were speaking to the parents in this. And I started seeing her behavior replicate that of what she was seeing there. So I'm not suggesting Coco is not a catch all, but Coco is a data point that in that moment I could have manipulated.

In that moment, my thought process was like, let me establish a diversionary tactic here because not unlike this YouTube show that I saw where I didn't like how the parents were talking to the kids, I don't want to have a very recent example where my daughter sees this reaction and because she is four and because she recognizes Coco may replicate that behavior because in a world filled with things that I cannot control, this is one instance in which everything

as a parent, I had decisions to make. And I thought I navigated it well. And where I erred was I was explaining my thought process instead of actually really trying to detail how I dealt with it, which was I played with slime. But this is to Jess's point, and I'd like to hear her opinion on this part.

This isn't Coco Gauff's fault. There's a difference between sport and a produced show that is aimed for kids. Coco Gauff is not out there thinking, I have to think about the four-year-olds out there. She might think about it afterward. Yeah, she might think about it other times. But at the time, that is not her, at the moment, responsibility.

I don't think I have anything to add. We were on the same page with it, and you said the other day that, yeah, she had a bad day. Athletes have bad moments sometimes, and I agreed with you, and I thought we kind of were on the same page with that. And it's not her responsibility to be a good role model as she's playing a game because she's thinking that there's a kid somewhere watching her. There's just all of these assumptions about...

women and female athletes that get made all the time that they're supposed to be role models and they're supposed to look pretty and look feminine and it's the same conversation we had earlier today about boxing is that you make all these assumptions about what women are supposed to be and then when they go out there and compete and

People don't like what they see because it doesn't fit their ideals of what is supposed to be happening. Everyone gets angry and mad at it. Yeah, I wasn't angry or mad. You looked at me with angry Nicolas Cage face. That seemed mad. Well, because there was something that Jess said in particular that maybe my daughter isn't ready for sport. My daughter celebrates sports. My daughter actively participates in them, has championships.

tremendous relationships with athletes and has plenty of sports as adults. We don't know how to handle it sometimes. Yeah. But I would say like in a vacuum outsized reaction and not a dissenting opinion, especially when in other variations of that sport, your reaction can shape potentially

potentially the decision there. It wasn't about that and if you watched in that moment, it was clear that it was about other things there. So while I appreciate everybody's perspective and I think I bridge some gaps here because we coded like we're on the same page, which kind of alludes that I'm on a different page

I think we're all on the same page. We're all seeing everybody's perspective. We're having different conversations. You can have a conversation about the difficulties of parenting and not start the conversation by saying Coco Gauff effed up and I had to hold my kid to the side for not watching it. I agree. If someone said that, I would understand that.

I didn't. I just explained a situation that I ran into as a parent in a rare instance, thought I could control a situation, and you disagreed. But you called her a bad role model, and that was where we started arguing. No, Jess, I didn't. You did. No, Jess, I didn't. In fact, you invoked role model. In fact, what I thought was... I didn't make that up. What are you talking about? Jess...

I understand the role model conversation. And I thought that I had a pretty good response in that it's convenient for us to pick and choose when someone is a role model. Because I think Coco, in moments with my daughter where she hit an autographed ball to her, was very cognizant of being a role model. And I understand to project that onto any athlete. And this is not a woman thing, even though I'm not ignoring that

as part of the discussion, it's impossible to uphold that standard. People, it's impossible for me to uphold that standard. I check my behavior around my daughter all the time because it's something that I can control. This was an instance in a world full of things that I can't control that I felt like I could. And so I ran a diversionary tactic because as with any four-year-old, as many people will know, as you may know with your nieces and nephews,

they replicate behavior almost instantly sometimes. And that was a behavior in that moment that I did not want my daughter replicated. I am telling you, as I said that day, as I'm saying today, I am not saying that that was a bad choice by you. And I'm not disagreeing with you that that is what most parents would do. But,

In Jess's defense, as I sat here listening to you, whether or not you said the word role model, that's what came across in what you were saying. Yeah, no, I probably said a role model there. Right, so we're just trying to get that across to you. There are no infallible role models. And I understand that. And I understand that this is a moment in time where I could spin this into a positive. And what I'm saying is there's a lot of fatigue with that. The world is throwing it.

stuff at us constantly. And whether you're controlling something that's on a YouTube algorithm or trying to run a diversionary tactic with slime, there are certain things that you can control. And in that moment, I wasn't prepared to explain to my daughter as to why Coco Gauff had an outsized 10-minute breakdown that anyone in the sport would tell you was outsized.

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