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Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

We don't do a lot of predictions around here, but I'm going to make one right now. The next four months are going to be awful. And it begins tonight. It begins tonight with the debate. Oh.

And the next four months after that are going to be horrific. I thought you were talking about no Joey Chestnut in the hot dog eating contest. Wannabe MSNBC analyst Pablo Torre joins us from his apartment. It's within walking distance of 30 Rockefeller Plaza, where he has been cheating on us with Morning Joe at 6 a.m.,

Actual MSNBC analyst Tim Miller, he's the host of the Bulwark podcast, joins us live from the spin room in Atlanta where political operatives will seek to frame tonight's soap opera for people like Pablo Torre who don't understand what they're watching.

Debate is at 9 p.m. Eastern on CNN and elsewhere, moderated by Jake Tapper and Dana Bash. Before, Tim, we get to the debate, though, I want to play you a clip from the other day. This is Donald Trump talking about a suggestion that he had for his good friend Dana White. And I said, Dana, I have an idea. Why don't you set up a migrant league of fighters?

And have your regular league of fighters. And then you have the champion of your league. These are the greatest fighters in the world. Fight the champion of the migrants. I think the migrant guy might win. That's how tough they are. He didn't like that idea too much, but actually it's not the worst idea I've ever had. Tim, your thoughts?

He's correct about that very last sentence. It is not the worst idea he's ever had. Migrant midget fights or whatever he wants to do is not a good idea, as Dana White rejected it. But it was maybe a better idea than putting his little mushroom dick in Stormy while his kid...

while his wife was in the hospital with his kids still maybe better idea better idea than like hide and classify docs up the road from you guys in his bathroom in palm springs or palm beach palm beach not palm springs palm beach is florida i'm not a florida man like you and i do i if i could just say though i i'm a little hurt by pablo taking my msnbc slot there is only one chair on morning joe for a goofy looking elder millennial so every time pablo's there that's

That's a slot I can't have. So I appreciate you noting that, Dan. I don't appreciate all of you trying to dox me, by the way. Dan basically introduced me by saying, guess where this guy lives vaguely. And it's not that hard to guess. I don't believe my point beyond how dare Tim, how dare Tim put me in the same category as whatever it is that he does. I don't believe Dana White is saying no to this idea.

I think that we're going to see, Dan, on a streaming service, Dana White alongside the ultimate slap-fighting boogaloo.

Boogaloo. Yeah, actually do this thing. I'm not over it. You think I have Guatemala migrant fighting UFC? You see that happening? I do not see that as beyond the pale as established by the people that were discussing. Correct. Let's play some sound here for Tim of, you know, Donald Trump tonight is going to be talking a lot. And when he gets to talking a lot, I do think Biden's strategy should just be let him talk.

because when he talks, he does things like this where you can just see he doesn't have anything. He's being asked about Taylor Swift. It's a very easy question and he's got nada. - I think she's beautiful, very beautiful. I find her very beautiful. I think she's liberal. She probably doesn't like Trump, but I hear she's very talented, but I think she's very, I think she's very beautiful actually.

Unusually beautiful. Yeah, we're all making the same face.

The fifth beautiful is a little creepy for me. You know, the third beautiful is kind of okay. The fourth beautiful, I'm getting uncomfortable. The fifth beautiful, pretty creepy. I like the threshold of the fifth beautiful because what it does, it sort of establishes that a fundamental uncontrollable hornyness is one of the most oddest versions of Donald Trump that you will ever hear. And it's sort of like, yeah, he's really into Taylor Swift. Didn't have that. Maybe I should have if you put everybody in the police lineup of who he's been accused of or actually been involved with.

with but it's like Dan this is the thing about how the next several months will be miserable I'm gonna watch all of it and as much as Donald Trump is somebody that you sort of want to like let him talk and let him bury himself he doesn't actually bury himself even though it would bury anybody else like that clip alone imagine any normal person saying it obviously by now we all know that's sort of catastrophic

Well, I lived through it. I can say that. I mean, your Florida guy, Jeb, when I was his comms guy, you guys might remember when he called Supergirl really hot. Right. And like that was a horrible third. That was like a 72 hour disastrous news cycle for us. We had to do a cleanup interview. You know, this stuff doesn't happen for Donald. I guess I do kind of disagree a little bit with Pablo is the fact that he says this stupid shit is what's keeping Joe Biden alive. Right.

Like if he wasn't saying all this, Biden would be in really big trouble. And so in some ways it does hurt him. It doesn't bury him, but it does hurt him. And that's I don't really understand. The one main critique I have with the Biden team about tonight is why they're doing the mute buttons. I would just let Donald talk as much as possible. They like as part of the deal of this debate, after you talk for two minutes, they mute your mic, which might sound good for you guys on a show like this. But for Biden, I think that you'd want Donald to keep talking as much as possible.

Yeah, I suppose my thing about like our debates good or bad for Donald Trump at this point, right? Like it makes me think about debates in general and how really what they are are like, uh,

TV shows where we meet these people and we decide, do we want to hear more from them? Right? Like, Tim, I don't know if you can remember if anybody who actually like devotes their lives to politics remembers, like, ah, yes, there is that one great duel on the issues of policy. That time that policy was decided. We all remember the memes. Yeah. And so for Trump, it's sort of like that's his comfort zone to me. Like, again, absent a concern, mutual concern about like cognitive disrepair.

What I'm looking at is whether Donald Trump is actually just gonna be what all of us actually in our heart of hearts knows he still can be, which is occasionally funny.

Like, at times, and I say that, of course, with all the caveats apply, but like Trump as reality television sports talk radio character monster, like the sharks thing that he did before, like a couple weeks ago, it was so, of course, stupid and would have been indicting of anybody who's like a normal person. But it's like, ah, I want shark Trump.

Gimme Trump riffing on sharks. And I can just see that happening in which you're sort of charmed by him and you sort of forget and you being either the royal you, not you Tim specifically, but America and I probably am more in that camp where it's like I love getting stoned and watching presidential debates.

And I just can't in a guilt-free way, Eddie Boer, for all of the obvious reasons. Yeah, I'm immune to his charms. I will say, though, there's a little bit of an advantage for Biden on the memeing side. I think that's the best thing Biden has going for him right now, because every meme about him on TikTok or anywhere else is like, Biden's lost.

or Biden looks like he needs oatmeal or Biden's old. So that's why I really just has to be punchy tonight. I give he comes out and even if the memes are like, whoa, grandpa's yelling like that's a huge plus for him. And I know there's a lot of people that aren't paying attention that closely to this thing that that maybe have a mistaken impression that Biden is like literally weekend at Bernie's rather than the fact that he is like a competent old guy.

And I think moving from Weekend at Bernie's to competent old guy might gain him a point among a certain demo. You're looking at all that. I'm looking at the back of my eyelids because apparently this starts at nine. Why would they put on a debate that's past both of their bedtimes? I don't. And why are they even doing it in the first place? Like, I don't. I don't understand. It's part of the challenge to Biden. It's like, see, I'm not that old. I can stay up till 1030.

Can you stay up till 1030? I can. Yeah. I want them both in pajamas. That's a great idea. Robes. PJs. You have them? Wait, Chris, do you have them with like the sleeping cap with the ball at the end? Nailed it. Holding a candle maybe? Biden has that one for sure. 70 million people are expected to watch this? Is that number real?

I don't think they know, right? Because previously to this year, there was this thing called the debate commissions and the debates ran on every network, the general election ones, not the primary. And so like this is the first time it's only ran on one network since like 1976 or something. And it was, you know, because neither campaign wanted to deal with the debate commission. Trump thought they were biased and, you know, Biden wanted different rules than last time. So, yeah.

We'll see. I think there are going to be big numbers. Look, if you told people that, like, hey, airing on CNN tonight is like a food fight in a senior citizen's home, I think that'd do, you know, 10 million, even if the presidency wasn't at stake. So I think there'll be good numbers tonight. Pablo, can you help me understand why we can't do better? Do I have this right? Kennedy had a heroin addiction for more than a decade. Like, how can we not do better than this crop of candidates today?

Because nobody that I know, and again, I keep on saying this, like I want my friend, our friend Dominic Foxworth to run for president. I want people that I know in life who are like overreacting

overqualified and don't run for president to run for president because currently wanting to run for president, Tim, is to me like almost disqualifying in our generation. Like you think about it's the and it's literally in my case, the worst people I went to college with and the worst people all of us remember Vivek Ramaswamy, Elise Stefanik. I went to school with both of them and I wish I could say that was a look at me, Louie. It's actually one of the most depressing sentences that I have to say.

But these are people who are calculating to a point of totally abdicating whatever used to be the recognizable version of themselves. And so if you want to be a person, Dan, who gets watched by 70 million people, and again, the only non-sports monoculture that doesn't involve Taylor Swift, there is something I think that animates your nerve endings. It also kind of makes you a psychopath given what you got to do, especially now.

in this current Republican Party to have to get there. And so people who are good are incentivized to not think it's worth it. I mean, the ante on the Republican Party, like just to even get at the table, you have to tell a preposterous lie about the 2020 elections. Like that's like the first ante. If you're not willing to say that, you're out. And, you know, I think the Democrats really felt a lot in a lot of ways stuck in the box with Joe Biden. And, you know, so this is we are where we are.

Tim, you've got to get out of here, but just real quick, because you ran communications for the Jeb Bush campaign, the VP option that is scariest for Trump to align himself with for America is...

Scariest in the concept of might help Trump the most, I think, is Marco, just because I do think Marco kind of gives off an air of normalcy despite the ears. And I think that he could help with a couple of demos. Trump's already doing better with Hispanic men. The scariest as far as like would be Trump's VP and would be willing to go along with his most nefarious schemes. I think that would be J.D. Vance for sure.

Tim will be on MSNBC all day. Pablo will not. Check out the Bulwark podcast and Pablo Torre finds out. Thank you, Tim. Stugatz, you've been handing me notes throughout all of this. Oh, I just want one of them. Just in, you know, the interest of being fair, one of you say something bad about Biden, okay?

Didn't I call him an old man? Didn't I call him an old man that was barely competent? And that's much preferable than, you know, the alternative. Is that not fair? No, not really. Pablo, say something bad about Biden. That guy really...

Can't ride a bike, obviously. I disagree with that. I think he's a skilled bike rider. All right. See you, Stugatz. See you. Thank you. Not the note I thought Stugatz was giving me because he was writing me that the greatest debate of all time is Stephen A. versus Skip about whether or not LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan. It was on the heels of Scottie Pippen saying that he thought LeBron was better than Michael. That was the greatest debate of all time. It was.

Sorry, I didn't ask that. Pablo Torre finds out every day. Sorry we doxed you, Pablo. Thank you for being on with us. It's okay, Dan. It's not like I have a small daughter or anything. Okay, good seeing you again. Sports monoculture? This guy's a dork.

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The Billy Gill fan club, Gato's Mafia on X, is wishing everyone a happy Onion Day to all of those who celebrate. I think this is the anniversary of Billy Gill as part of a grid of death punishment, having to eat an entire raw onion. He got a couple of bites in and was hospitalized, said that he got very sick from the eating of an onion.

Yeah, it was very loud each time that he did it. It was sort of disgusting because onions can be disgusting when eaten that way. And we did not find this sound on YouTube because you can find everything on YouTube. This is actually Billy biting into the onion.

Lucy, how do you imagine that would go for you if you lost a grid of death punishment? I didn't have it evolving into hospitalization for Billy, but it did happen. Well, one thing about me is I am a quitter, so I just would not do it. I would quit. I would quit the job.

Not for the onion. I could not do that onion. I think, didn't DJ Khaled quit hot ones? Didn't he quit like a couple of bites into the hot sauce and embarrass himself internationally? I thought that was... What does this guy eat? My hero. I do the same thing. His third wing. That's relatable to me. I find it more annoying when someone just can do all of it and not like sweat at all. Like that's very, I like DJ Khaled for that. Lewis Hamilton. He was like, I'll eat another wing. Yeah.

I'll finish these wings and I'll eat one more. Can he still not taste food? Yeah, David Sampson doesn't have taste or smell anymore. Is that a bit, Dan? No, it's not a bit. You've seen his baseball mitt chair. He doesn't have any taste.

My thing with David that I just don't get is you don't have any taste or smell. And if I didn't have that, I would just be eating the healthiest shit all the time. But he's constantly just eating candy. Where like you're not even getting anything out of that. You're just eating the candy for no reward. Such a nightmare. Because he says he still has the cravings for it. And so his brain...

knows when he's eating that candy that that's what it used to be except he doesn't actually get the fulfillment. What a nightmare. Everyone say not today to their bodies.

It's a texture thing, but I'm with you. I would think he'd be eating cauliflower and broccoli all day just because it doesn't matter. But evidently the Mike and Ike's and the chewy stuff, there's something about the texture. Just eat some fruit then so you still get like the sugar. So your body's like, oh, okay, I'm having a strawberry here. But you're just not eating just straight up a bag of candy. It's free.

Maybe he gets gassy from the fruit, though. We never asked him that. A bag full of candy. Yeah, it's a giant bag of candy. It's a candy salad. Yes. He mixes it all up. That's correct. It's strange. And there's some bad candy in there. He likes black licorice. That's disgusting. Well, that's the worst candy. Not that bad.

I think that you might... Jeremy, black licorice fan? I've got no problem with it. I don't think it's that bad. It's not my preference, but I don't think it's bad. Yeah, I don't think it's as bad as its reputation, but it's not my favorite also. I'm a chocolate person. I don't eat non-chocolate candies. What's the candy? So you're saying black licorice is the candy that has a bad reputation. What's the candy that we love that's reputation is too good?

Hershey's chocolate. Yeah. Strong. Actually, that's a great answer. I think black licorice, if I threw this out to the audience, you guys might argue that it's not that bad, but I would think we'd come closer to consensus on it would be the runaway winner on worst candy.

Candy corn? Well, I happen to like candy corn. Me too, but I think people hate candy corn. All right, put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Levitard Show. Worst candy, black licorice or candy corn? Because I do believe that black licorice runs away with this with most people. I think vastly more people don't like black licorice. I don't like Jägermeister just because it's in the vicinity of black licorice. It's a foul, foul...

taste. And for you to say that it's not bad, Jeremy, is in keeping with how you've been today because that draft last night was black licorice and you're the only one here who liked it. You're the only one here who thought that draft was interesting. I did. I thought there were some really interesting human stories. I thought there were interesting sections of the draft where players went back to back to back and there were moves or filling needs for certain teams that I

You don't get to see any other night than the NBA draft, including Rob Dillingham being traded for an 11-year-old because it was a 2031 first round pick traded to the Spurs for Rob Dillingham. There were a couple of 2030 picks and 2031 picks, and I don't think there's anything that 2024 fans care about less than a draft pick in the next decade. I think every NBA fan listening to this would trade that for anybody that would help.

I think to your point too, Dan, is like the transition from high school to college and having those college stars in the men's game. 12. So the first 12 picks, six of them were either G League Ignite or from another country. Right. And you're like who you're looking around at, who your stars are in the United States as far as your college players. Reed Shepard.

First guy taken off the board from college. Is he a star? Did we know who he was before we saw him in that olive green suit? I don't know. Donovan Klingin, back-to-back national champion. He goes seven to the Blazers, which also continues to make their package that they received back.

for Damian Lillard funnier and funnier when you look at where those moves have all gone including the trade for Denny of Dia yesterday um but it was in a row Klingin and then the Rob Dillingham pick that was supposed to be to the Spurs to pair with Wemby he ends up in Minnesota an awesome move for Minnesota who couldn't acquire talent above the minimum this offseason so they go trade for a player who will make more money than that and has that level of talent it it it

for an 11-year-old. And then the ninth pick right after that was Zack Eadie. And so you had really interesting storylines going along. You'll see Jama rant and Zack Eadie, you know, throw in alley-oops. That'll be a fun combination. But there are different pockets

to the draft that really piqued my interest in some cool human interest stories, including A.J. Johnson, who went there, sat in the crowd because he wasn't invited as a member of the green room, sat there with his family and ended up being drafted in the first round and got to walk out of the crowd and celebrate.

I feel like between this show, who thinks Portland is the biggest joke ever, and ESPN, who's like, Portland is pretty cool, I am getting no sane takes about anything happening in Portland. Is there any third party that we can bring in here that can just give me an actual analysis? Can I just read it out loud? Damian Lillard in two second round picks becomes Robert Williams, DeAndre Ayton, Donovan Klingin, who will replace one of them,

Denny Evdia, Toumani Kamara, one Milwaukee first-round pick in 2029, and the ability to swap picks in 2028 and 30. That's the rebuild. Bronny was not drafted. He will likely go in the second round. Has anyone gotten an answer to what he, if he did play with his father, what he would refer to his father as on the court? Is it going to be like, is he going to hold up his hand and say, Dad?

He's not going to say LeBron, right? Daddy. Daddy. Daddy's crazy. Big dog. Big dog. Daddy. It's not going to be daddy. That's crazy. Hey, daddy-o. It's not going to be. Daddy-o? What are you, at a 50s sock hop? What do you mean daddy-o? It's better than daddy. Daddy.

I have a friend, one of my friends, he's older than I am. He'll be talking to his sister. Did you talk to mommy and daddy? They all refer to their parent, and they're in their 30s. Do they play hoops together? All three of their kids in their 30s, and they talk about their parents. Did you talk to mommy and daddy? Are they going to be here soon? Growing up in the South, a lot of people had weird names for their grandparents. People were like, oh, this is Mimi and Pee Pee. And you're like, you're what? Papa. Yeah, Mimi, Pee Pee over here. Abu, Abu.

When did your parents stop referring to the other spouse as mommy or daddy? I noticed when I was like two old once, my mom called my dad daddy. The divorce. It got changed on me in college. I was Danny. I was Danny throughout college. My byline was Danny throughout college. And then it just... We're going to bring that back, Jack. Mike Wilbon calls you Danny. Yeah.

Well, that's why he calls me Danny. That's the reason that he calls me Danny. Was Daniel too serious for you? You were like trying to seem young and hip. No, I wasn't trying. I was young and I was not hip. I was just named Danny. That's what everyone was calling me. Little Danny Levitard. I didn't go by Danny to be hip. I went by Daddy-O. Daddy-O is what I was going with. Let's get the video of Billy, please, just eating onion here.

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That was a Celtics fan? Well, it was me. Stugatz. Oh, it's amazing. It's amazing to see the mask pulled off and to see you so clearly. You were in such good disguise, and I didn't know it was you. It's-a me, a Celtics fan. This is the Dan Levatard Show with the Stugatz. Stugatz.

Nine days ago, Charlotte Wilder was on top of the sports mountain. She was in her goggles. She had champagne in Boston. And then last night, she reported from what was the worst draft in any sport ever while Chris, Mike, and even Taylor were at the club with the Panthers and the Stanley Cup.

The Celtics had no such party when they were in Miami. There was no Larry O'Brien trophy in the Atlantic Ocean. Are you feeling jealous and like the basketball championship was a long time ago, Charlotte? First of all, thanks for having me on, Danny.

Yeah, I heard some people in that room say, Jeremy Taché, that that was really fun last night. That was not super fun. Didn't have a super good time. In fact, I'm actually mad at the draft because as you said, Danny, I was on a high.

last week. I was so happy. Everything was so great. I've since crashed. I had the dopamine come down. So I was, and now I'm like, oh my God, looking forward at the season. And the draft makes you think about how all these other teams are getting better and the Celtics are about, oh, I liked what they did though. And then I go to the draft and it made me feel stupid and bad at my job because I didn't know who these people were, to be quite frank with you. Can we, I think we have a video of these guys. Do you guys, does anybody in there like know who all of these guys

these people are this video of the this draft class who is uh who is this guy here uh i i'm i'm looking at a video connect the videos are far away from me and and i see you in the video i've the computer that has these i can't see it from here so it's too far for me to be able to see who these people are i'm not getting very good footage thank you reed shepherd i mean oh my god jerry there's the guy from duke yeah this guy yeah okay keishon george in the back from miami

Reed Shepard looks like an accountant. Yes, he does. One guy's name is Furfy. You guys are doing a better job than I thought. Okay. And was Alex Saar in there somewhere? Somewhere? Yeah, he's right there in the back, right? Yeah. Is that him? Donovan Klingin, maybe? Yeah, Donovan Klingin. Okay, well, I guess I learned something last night. But heading into it, I didn't really know a whole lot of what was going on. And it was...

I don't know, guys. That's good. That's good coverage, Charlotte. I appreciate it. Oddball every day except for Monday. The analysis has to be better than that, Charlotte. And if it's not, you have to bluff your way through the communication better than that. You can't stumble through your words and then fall on your face.

Okay. Well, what analysis specifically would you like? Well, you were around it. I would like analysis that wows me with, I don't know, something beyond I don't know who these guys are either. Jeremy has got so much annoying analysis on the Heat's draft pick. Khalil Ware? He's got so much, Charlotte. If you could give me anything that's more interesting than Jeremy's annoying Heat analysis. Okay.

Okay, first of all, Jeremy, respect your knowledge. Second of all, Dan, the thing that actually was happening at the draft last night was that Knicks fans were there freaking out because things are actually good in New York. I was shocked. We were in the concourse before. I was doing a little man on the street, not to brag as one does. And all these Knicks fans that were stopping by to talk to me and in the

past when I have done man on the street and asked multiple Knicks fans to talk to me, I've gotten a lot of FUs. I've gotten a lot of just like straight walk by. Don't even, don't even look at me. And everybody was so happy to talk. I had New Yorkers, Dan saying to me,

The power of friendship, you can't put a price on that. New Yorkers talking about being friendly, talking about friendship. I was like, something is happening here once they got all of those Nova guys back together on the Knicks. So the vibe at Barclays was very much about other players, not about who was going to get drafted that night, which I did find very interesting. Charlotte, did you just not to brag doing a man on the street with random people?

Yeah, that might be like the worst look at me, Louis, of all time, with all due respect to the fans. People in New York are very excited about the fact that they're doing things competently, that they don't, you know, they've been a laughingstock for the entirety of this century. And I blanched a little bit at the price tag on Anunobi. That's not what I would have thought he would have gotten before last year started.

Right. Well, I asked a bunch of New Yorkers about that and they all, you know, I think that the can't put a price on friendship thing came up a lot with that. I think also, though, Dan, that like New York fans have had such horrible experiences with who the New York Knicks have taken in the first round of the draft that they're sort of like, cool, let's just get rid of these picks for someone that we know is good instead of a Kevin Knox draft.

or a Frank or, you know, there are too many guys who have not panned out. So my experience with these Knicks fans last night was that they were

a little freaked at the price, but then once they found out that OJ and Inouye was resigning, I think that that also started to go away. They're just feeling great. I had one woman say to me, actually say into our camera, she said, "I love you, Leon Rose." And I was like, what does it feel like to genuinely believe that you trust your front office? And she almost started to cry.

I'm sorry to cry. Let me let me ask you about something I was discussing earlier. Right. It wasn't that long ago that Trey Young was going into New York and was villain number one. And the Atlanta Hawks were getting to this point in the postseason that the Knicks have gotten to. I said earlier in the show for all the enthusiasm around the Knicks.

I just watched Dallas beat three 50 win teams in the West that I believe to still be better than the Knicks. And you do what with what I'm saying there, when I'm saying that there were three teams, I just watched Dallas beat that I still think are better than the Knicks, but the Knicks are now the second best betting favorite in the league to win the title because I

people are looking that favorably on bridges. I can't believe that that's how high the Knicks have climbed in the last couple of days. I don't believe it. Like, it's a fact, but I don't believe it. I don't believe that that's a real thing. Wait, really? I didn't know that. They're the second favorite to win the title next year? That was, yeah, betting favorite, yes. So is Colorado, by the way. Betting favorite? Yes. Okay, so...

I guess, Dan, what I would do with that is say that the East is not as strong as the West. And I think that the Knicks, a lot depends on what they can do at center. I think that if they can get Isaiah Hartenstein back, which is looking very unlikely now that they got OJ and Inouye back, I feel like Mikael Bridges is...

going to be a great addition to the team. I think that every, all those guys who've gone into New York have played better than they had before, have risen to the, you know, it's the power of friendship, as I always say. You know, you're right. Great environment, makes people feel good, makes them play well. All these guys are friends. It's working out for them. But I do think that there are a bunch of questions at center that are,

going to affect that. So I'm sort of shocked too that they're the second favorite, but also like these guys played, you know, missing feet and arms and limbs and still managed to make it almost to the Eastern Conference Finals, but they didn't. They are the second favorite fans right now are hating this in the Eastern Conference. They're the second favorite Dan and Charlotte or Danny and Charlotte, but

the Thunder and the Knicks are tied for third best odds. It goes Celtics, then the Nuggets, and then the Thunder and the Knicks. So two orange-blue teams. Well, you're using the correct odds, Jeremy. I'm going to send you... You're going to tell me what the source was on this that I got sent. I just texted it to you because the correct odds are the ones from DraftKings. So I had odds that are incorrect only because the only ones that matter are DraftKings odds. But

there are other betting services that have different numbers for that. I do imagine. And I do think that Denver has to be considered someone still a team that's still better than the Knicks, but you're saying that the hope is now earned, correct? They have erased 25 years of mismanagement with the idea that that beyond the hope, there is now belief that there is competence there. Yeah. Well, I don't know if they,

know if they've erased it, Danny. Listen, this is a very interesting situation to me here because if you have a team that has exceeded expectations, but you're still like, I don't know if they're going to do the thing. If they win a title, all is forgiven. All is forgiven.

If they just keep getting close after years of not getting close, when do fans get fed up with getting close? So I think that there's a little bit— Well, they need to get close before fans get fed up with close because they are not yet close. Like the second round— Right, right. The second round is better than not the first round, but the second round isn't yet close. They got beat by Indiana. I—

Yeah, I do think that the Knicks are experts in lower in like keeping the bar so low that when you just step over it, fans start to flip out. And then if you start to jump a little bit, like if you get some air off the ground, fans are like, oh, my God, what is this feeling? So maybe it's a sign that everybody should just do their worst for 20 years. And then people will love you when you start doing your best. Look, Jalen Brunson, what Jalen Brunson does is absolutely unnerving.

And he is, no matter what happens from here on out, I think that he's a god in New York forever just because he made people feel something positive. But I think that this team, I think this team is a good shot. I think this team is a good shot. I think it depends on so many other things working out. But look, if they stay healthy, if they stay healthy, I think that that is the biggest caveat of all. But I was, people in New York are just like,

If nothing else, I'm grateful to the Knicks for making like the streets of New York pretty pleasant right now. I almost don't know what to do with myself.

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