The Big Suey: Whomst Is This Guy?
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Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

This episode is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. What do you guys make of the reporting from Brian Windhorst that executives and agents were calling him making fun of the Nets draft picks as the draft was in Brooklyn and they took all guards? They had five picks in the first round and just kept taking guards the way that Stugatz has suggested for years that NFL teams should just take quarterbacks in every round until they find one.

What do you make of that from last night? Again, in an industry that is doing something last night that is highly unscientific, that is really super subjective, a lot of people think that they know that the Nets and the Pelicans

don't know what they're doing. And those people get to say something, I mean, without anyone ever remembering that they could be wrong because of how long it will take Brooklyn and New Orleans to make them actually wrong. So it's one of the reasons that this thing is such a wonderful feeding frenzy for the media. It's got no accountability in it. Mel Kuyper, every once in a while, will bring back stuff that he said 'cause it sticks, but I assure you that anything said last night making fun of the Brooklyn Nets is not something that's gonna be resurrected

three or four years from now, if the Brooklyn Nets are ever any good? Well, I think the Nets are in a different situation, right? They took a bunch of guys. I guarantee not all of them will be reporting to camp. They also got Danny Wolf from Michigan, who I really like. I think they've got room to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. The reason why people like me and Tony and some other people are like, New Orleans, what are you doing? Is because they instantly put a bet on what they did.

They said, hey, we're going to take this guy. Oh, by the way, how confident are we that this is going to work out? Immediately next year, unprotected first-round pick.

And that's the part that makes it egregious. That makes you, what you're talking about is right. There's no accountability. But guess what? For the New Orleans Pelicans, within 12 months, we're going to have accountability very quickly. Yeah, but those people have accountability and they lose their jobs because of that accountability. The media can just have a frenzy, not know who the players are, not see any of them play, not watch them because they're foreign, and then all of a sudden have very strong opinions about whether your team did what it was supposed to. It's one of the reasons I hate the NFL draft.

that the day after, I don't know if my team's any better. Like, nobody knows if their team's any better, and it's just an exercise in annual stupidity, but everyone loves it, so I sit alone on an island of sports, as I often do, like I was last night, super lonely, watching baseball.

games with Jeremy instead of the NBA draft. All the 13 Brooklyn Nets fans that are out there are probably not even thinking about what this team could be. They're trying to figure out who these guys are. You got a guy from Israel, you're like, who the hell is this guy? They had to pick top eight

And they picked a kid from BYU who's a decent guard, but he's a guy that you're going to have to project to be something good later on. They had Malawach right there. They had the kid that the Raptors drafted, Colin Murray-Boyles. There was players that they could have diversified their draft stock. Instead, they got nine guards and a big who plays like a guard. And it's like, what are we doing? The reality, though, Tony, is that even if they got one of every position, they got a point guard, a shooting guard, a small forward, a power forward, and a center.

Five first-round picks. Nobody does five first-round picks. If you got five, you got none. Yeah, pretty much. You've got beyond none. It's way too much, right? So the reality is they're not going to bring all these guys together.

And maybe some of these guys are never going to play for the Brooklyn Nets. They might have their rights included into deals around the league. And I think that's the part that you just got to factor into all of this is they don't have any sort of responsibility to anything because they've got the flexibility to do whatever they want because they're not supposed to be good next year. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Has the draft gone from what is this guy to who is this guy? Yeah.

- Hoomst? Hoomst is this guy, I haven't used hoomst.

Put it on the poll as well, at Levitard Show. Have you ever used the word hoompsed? Hoompsed, there it is. I also want to say something. And look, I love the French. Too many French guys in the NBA draft. The last couple years, what are we doing? They're taking over one draft at a time. We'll see taking over. There's one guy taking over. The rest of the guys, they got to prove it to me. Alexandre Sarr. Alexandre Sarr. And Risa Shea was nice coming on at the end of the season. But you're looking at these guys from France, you're like, I've never heard of them.

Who is this guy? We are not far. Whom's this guy? From Canada and France whooping our ass every time they see us on the block. We're not that far. USA, red, white, and blue, buddy. Do not do that to yourself. I'm telling you. Don't sell yourself that pipe dream, buddy. Man, let me tell you something. You look at that Canada team, MVP. No, they're not bad. Right? And then you start throwing it on them. Nembhard. Oh, you want Nembhard hounding Steph Curry up and down the court? Yeah.

Steph Curry, we don't know how long he's got Olympic playing. Lou Dort? Lou Dort out there, muscling up on people. Benedict Matherin shooting every time he touches it. R.J. Barrett. Oh, please. I'm running out of guys. You want Kelly Olenek on the block? Is Olenek's name actually a nickname? It's Maple Dick? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Okay. If you know, you know.

I don't. Thank you, Amin. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Are we weeks away from Canada and France wiping the block with us? I feel like Amin is just waiting for all sorts of apocalypses and looking at them through grinning. And that's me saying that. That's me who has been grinning through fear and apocalypse. I think Amin is with me now, fearing both apocalypses

AI and France, which is unreasonable. With me, it's AI and climate change. With him, it's AI and France and Canada and basketball. And then he names a bunch of fourth and fifth starters and bench players. They're gamers, though. Those guys are gamers. Yeah.

Gamers. You see that guy in Game 7? Yeah, the problem is, Game 4, he sucked. Did you see him miss all the free throws when they needed to just make one free throw to beat an OKC team that made three three-pointers all game? I saw a guy show up in Game 7, look around, not see anybody with him, say, I got this, guys. Put him on my back. Kelly Olenek's nickname also, according to the internet, the Lunch Lady.

He does look like a lunch lady. Not as much as Luis Scola does. You put Luis Scola in a hairnet, that looks like the cafeteria lady. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Who looks more like the lunch lady? Luis Scola or Kelly Olenek? That's got to be 50-50. We've got a new media beef and I'm

I'm sorry? Hooray. Usually the hooray has more enthusiasm than that. That was a hooray soaked in indifference. I didn't want to overtake your take. So you just interrupted it. Just a bed. It was supposed to be a bed underneath. So you just interrupted it with a meek, half-hearted hooray that no one heard. And then I had to ask, stop the show and ask, what'd you say? Yeah, it's a radio term, Dan. A bed. That's when the sound is underneath what you're saying. Hooray.

Go ahead. Thank you for teaching me about radio. Doug Gottlieb has called Pablo Torre exhausting and... You guys are nodding on that in agreement? I'm just listening. I'm listening. Chris, you yawned. Wait a minute. What just happened there is physically funny. I said Doug Gottlieb has called Pablo Torre exhausting and Chris Cody...

Looking exhausted, yawned in my face. That's what Pablo does to me. While nodding that, yes, confirming that he sides with Gottlieb in this beef. Dan, I felt like the gif of the woman with the tasting kombucha for the first time where he said, Doug Gottlieb. I said, oh, and he said, that's called palatary exhausting. Oh, maybe. You lost me and you got me right back in. All right, finish the statement. And disingenuous. Nah. Not lost me again. He lost me again.

After his recent episode, Pablo Torre finds out where he produces 61 pages of documentation that the NFL and NFLPA do not want you to see about how all of these people colluded because, whoa, Deshaun Watson got a lot of guarantee money. We can't control ourselves. Let's cheat, all of us.

Let's all cheat because we don't know how to control ourselves in a bidding war when there's a quarterback available who may be like right on the cusp of being a criminal. What was his second highest bid for Deshaun Watson? I'm curious. There were many. There were bids. There were many bids to get him to that guaranteed money. But this goes on here. Quote,

Pablo Torre as a guest is amazing. Pablo Torre as a host at times can be a little exhausting and I'll tell you why. He's way too smart to be talking about sports and he's searching so bad for that aha gotcha that I think he's being disingenuous or he's frankly misusing the idea of collusion.

Hmm. Gotta digest that one. So he's misusing the idea of collusion by being too smart to talk about sports and grasping for an aha moment. Is Gottlieb still doing the daily show that LeBron made fun of him for doing while he was making fun of a school that he didn't think he had to

prepare that much for and then he lost to that school as part of like a 19 game losing streak because Doug Gottlieb I don't know what their record was at Green Bay Wisconsin last year they won like three or four games but he was also doing a daily radio show at a Green Bay Wisconsin really

The Gottlieb is big in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Well, I think it's a national show. I don't think it's a local show. They were 4-28. But it would be difficult, I would think, to be doing a daily show. I don't know. Amin was teaching me about radio earlier, so maybe he knows. A daily radio show and coaching a college basketball team seems to be hard. We call that cadence, Dan. The number of times a week. Now, he's busy. 0-14 in conference play, and they endured a 21-game losing streak.

Denny's Hamlin. Amin mentioned liking Danny Wolf from Michigan. Why do you like him? Obviously his size. I want to show you a picture here of Danny Wolf's brother when he was drafted last night. Ugly crying. There's an ugly crying face. He can't be happy about that this morning. I don't get happy tears.

You guys do happy tears? Oh, Jeremy, I did happy tears yesterday. I love happy tears. I do that a lot, too. Yeah. I just don't get it. I've never done it. The gratitude wells up in you so much because something moves you and then it leaks out your eyes because it can't stay in your body. Gratitude. Okay. I mean, that's...

That's pretty much what it is. Yeah, I think it's also, you and I relate here, Dan, it's sort of emotionally on the edge at all times. So you could push me in one direction or another, and I'm probably just going to cry. He looks like he ate a lemon while cutting onions at the same time. It is really good, ugly crying. And it's the brother of a seven-footer, so my guess is he's also pretty tall as well. You see no other heads in the shot. Right.

He is miles above sea level right now. You do see another head. It's just at his shoulders. Look at this. As they pan over, there's a guy with gray hair that just kind of shows up out of nowhere. Put it on the poll, please, at Levitard Show. Is the brother of a seven-footer ever under six feet?

I'm just, or the sister. Is the sibling of a seven-footer ever 5'3", if they are indeed biological siblings? Samson size. That'd be funny. Shaq and Samson. Like, there are Schwarzenegger and DeVito in twins. Tony, the guy with the silver hair. Oh, there you go. I thought you meant, like, the photographer. No, no, no. I'm talking about this guy right here. There you go. That's Kristaps Porzingis, man.

For the audio audience, however red you think his face is, it's redder. However far you think his bottom lip is being stuck out while the corners of his mouth are frowning, it's further than you think. However greasy you think the combo of the hair and the faces, it's greasier than you think. However far down you think his eyebrows might be slanting on the eyebrows, it's steeper than you think. It's the pyramid of Giza right now.

This one eyebrow is going up this way. It's incredible. Going back to sines and cosines, that's a 45-degree angle, folks. Dan, can you do that with your eyebrows? No. I cannot. He doesn't have that kind of power. They're stiff. Peter Gallagher, maybe. My eyebrows are more starched. They don't have flexibility. They're dry-cleaned.

They don't move around. This guy's right here, man. Let's play Malika Andrews making a mistake that I could very easily make. It would happen to me. I'm not kidding. It would. It would happen to me. I told you guys recently that I thought newspaper headlines had gotten very cruel when I read a headline, Coward Forgoes Duke.

enters NBA Draft, I'm like, my God, those headline writers are getting personal there. But no, it just turns out that his name is Cedric Coward and Malika Andrews, again, made a mistake I could very easily make. - So the Portland Trail Blazers select

Colin Coward here. A stunning pick. You can hear her reading something else while doing that. She's like distracted. She's like, Colin Coward here. And there's definitely a producer's voice in her ear at that time too. So she's trying to read a sheet that says what the name is of the player and find it in the slot on the best available. And she definitely has a producer. And as Lewis talks in my ear, it's the same thing. So you can maybe hear if Lewis just keeps talking. You can hear her distraction. You can hear it.

through the microphone. It's really, it's difficult to do.

Colin Cowherd's at home like, me? You know the meme of the guy like, he's at home. Let's play that again. Imagine the stunned fans learning, wait, what? What did we draft? So the Portland Trailblazers select Colin Cowherd here. I mean, is he going to get, yeah, Drew Holiday's going to be throwing it to Cowherd in the post and then he's just going to give people a bunch of bad opinions? 3 and D. You're going to talk about John Wall? Like, oh, I don't like that dance. Dougie.

They throw it in the post and all of a sudden the play call is just, I don't like guys with backward hats. So his name is Cedric Coward, right? So do we think that what this was is on the big board that Malika's looking at? It's just first letter, first name, dot.

Last name. And so you got C.Coward and maybe Brain Autofills with Colin Coward on there. Nobody knows any of these people. I just don't know. I mean, maybe her own notes. Jeremy, this is TV. They're handing you a full name with a pronunciation in case you don't know how to say coward. I know how to do TV. Oh, damn. Oh, damn. Miami New Time Sideline Reporter of the Year. A meeting that's teaching people how to do radio and television today and nobody wants it. Nobody wants it.

I've got to think that Cedric Coward has at some point considered changing his name. No? Put it on the poll at Levitard Show to Bill Coward. If you are an athlete at Levitard Show, if you are an athlete and your name is Cedric Coward, do you think about changing your name? And then the next poll, do you think about changing your name to Bill Coward?

I think Malika just got caught up because a couple picks before, Colin Murray-Boyles got picked. So there was a Colin already floating in the ether. The next pick was come on Maluwatch, which is a mouthful, and you're trying to figure that out. And then the next guy, you're looking at Cedric Coward, and then all of a sudden, Colin Coward comes out of nowhere. There he is!

By the way, you say that Cedric Coward should change his name. There was a guy who played for the Nets a couple years ago whose name was, and I quote, David Duke Jr. And they asked him, you want to call him Dave, Davey? And he's like, nope. And they said, you know who David Duke is? He's like, yeah, but I'm going to be so good, I'm going to change the perception of that name. That was his outtake. Nah! Yeah, exactly. Where is he now? I don't know.

Running for governor. How good would he have to be? Speaking of where is he now, there was a player last night, and you helped me here because I've heard about this, but I have not seen it. So I've just been told, and this is just B-roll, so there's not going to be audio with it, but that somebody was drafted by Toronto. And you know this is something that is true here. I mean, a lot of times American players, and this is why Toronto and Vancouver a million years ago,

don't get many of the free agents. A lot of American players don't like the idea of being removed from America and having to go to Canada. You tell me whether this is going to a bad team or a country that he doesn't want to go to here. Yeah, he gets up and

He shakes his head, buttons his thing and says, oh, he mutters under his breath bleep. It's just it's it. And that is not happiness. Correct. There is that is he's buttoning his jacket and it's like bleep. This is a moment for all time. This is a lifetime dream. Bleep. I'm not happy. That is sheer disappointment that you can't that he can give all the quotes about being. Is that about.

Canada that has to be about Canada look it could be about a number of things Canada the Raptors not being a good team the Raptors having a lot of players who are kind of his position they have a glut of these combo wings but then the other thing is the reason why guys don't like playing in Canada it's not look Toronto people love Toronto Toronto's a great city Toronto's a great road city come in you party you do this it's a great city period great everything right

The problem is with, first of all, this is the taxes, right? Tax levels are escalated there. They're higher than even New York or California. Number two, the number of logistics coming in and out of the country. So my family wants to come see me. It's not like flying to Indiana and, okay, no, you got to go through customs and all this stuff. So it's a very cumbersome process. Number three, and this is going to sound ridiculous, guys don't like the metric system.

They really get bothered by like, okay, a kilometer, how's that, miles and stuff. It's different enough for you to know I am not in the America anymore. And that's enough of a mind bleep for guys. I appreciate your efforts in going those lengths to try and figure this out. I don't think it's the metric system that made him curse as he was getting up there. I do wonder if we're being unfair to Colin Murray Boyles, though, because it could just be that's a whole stressful process and he was happy that it

It was over. Disbelief almost. And finally, I don't know. I don't know. It seems unfair, fun, but unfair to assume that it's the metric system that's bothering him there and not just that the last few hours have been a little stressful. This guy goes into a McDonald's?

And he orders a Royale with cheese? You're telling me that's not stressful? A centimeter bothered. Does seem to mouth the word f***. Oh, that was clear that he did mouth that, but it could just be because he was... Did he expect to go earlier? Friend of a co-worker? No. Or maybe he doesn't have a passport or winter clothes. Winter clothes is a big one, too. He's from South Carolina, so going to Canada is quite the stretch. And Houston was next. Maybe he just really wanted to go to Houston. He's like, all right, KD just got traded there. They're maybe going to win. I don't know.

Now he's going to the Raptors, a bunch of guys at his position, different thing. In his mind, it's like being sent to St. Bonaventure or somewhere like that to spend the rest of your days. Just a cold, icy tundra. Jeremy, you know something about me, right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime, you know how I supplement my summertime? Of course I do. I make a Miller time. Of course. That beautiful white can. Oh, when it's so hot outside, I just put it right to my forehead, right there. And I just roll it sometimes, right on the forehead, cool my body down, and then I crack it open.

instant relief and then that first sip brother does that first hit that is a top five sequence of events that you can possibly go through i'm just serenity now when i just imagine that first sip of miller light just thinking about it's making me happy dude the sun is out it's nice you have your friends showing up you got your family there you just had your first sip of miller light and you know what you're happy

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Stugatz. Yours is terrible. You just got to get a little redder. A little pinker. You're right there, man. Yours is not. You're biting me. What do you mean? Oh, his is good, Dan. That's actually not bad. His is good. Not terrible. That's not terrible. We got to come together. A little southern twang there. A little George Bush in that one. This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz.

Everyone here sides with Doug Gottlieb over Pablo Torre. Is that something that just happened? Pablo Torre is doing important reporting. He's doing good reporting. He's one of the last people out there actually doing some of the work required. And he's getting some awards, but he's also getting some blowback. And I think it's because it's Pablo Torre. I think if it was somebody else reporting this, it wouldn't be received the same way. It is. It's real journalism. It's real news breaking.

Oh, so-and-so's about to go. That's not newsbreaking. That's newsbreaking what Pablo does. But it makes me wonder, I mean, and this is a larger conversation. I know you guys are tired of hearing me talk about it, but at least some of you are here in part because you line up with some of this show's principles. Uh, and frankly, your relationship with the show, if it goes back 20 years, you care about some of the things that we care about. Uh,

When you say, I mean, quote unquote, real journalism, I'm more convinced than I've ever been that people don't want that. Well, people don't know what it is. Correct. And so they don't want it. And they reject it out of hand viscerally. It's like, I've never tasted broccoli, but I don't like broccoli. I just know I don't like it. And so you've just made up your mind before you've even tried it or thought about it. What Pablo Torre is doing is extraordinarily difficult. He's at a trough where all

news gatherers are and he's consistently finding things, reporting them, vetting them, taking them through lawyers and making people unhappy because power doesn't want you to see things that are true. To me, that's one of the most important things in journalism and one of the most heartbreaking things to see over my last 20 years in it is that I care about it deeply and man, so many people do not at all don't care enough

to even get informed about why they reject it viscerally. Now, in Pablo's case, it's the condescension. Right. That's why I wanted to stop you, because I don't think it's against...

all journalism. I think it's Pablo specifically. For instance, you never hear people talk like that about Seth Wickersham, who I think does the same kind of excellent reporting. But he's not getting the attention that Pablo presently is, where Nick Wright's looking around and saying, I don't get the big deal. Why is everyone writing about this guy and talking about this guy now? You know why, though, right? Because Pablo, over the last year, has done two of the

a lot of the great reporting, including whether the hotel in Oklahoma City is actually haunted or not. And whether Giannis is missing free throws on purpose so that the fans could get free chicken. Incredible reporting. Those are great episodes, by the way. Great episodes, thank you. Peabody worthy. You know what? One nomination is for everybody. But,

The part that gets him the ire and the attention and the level of scrutiny and comments like that are because he did Marcus Jordan, Larsa Pippen, and because he did...

Belichick and Jordan. Yeah, he goes high-low. He can do both things. But those are the things that bring the negative attention. It brings some of it, but I also think that it feels to everyone, oh, he's reporting this from the Yacht Club, isn't he? That's the issue, right? It feels like he's on a high-up castle and being like, you peasants, I will let you know what you need to know. And then we're like, wait, what? I can read this in the tabloids. Yeah, like what if I reported it? That'd probably be received better, right?

New Times. They would say, well, he's everywhere. You can't do that with the work, though. The work ought to be able to speak for itself. And what I'm telling you is if the NFLPA and the NFL doesn't want you to see it, and Mike Florio is out there. Mike Florio is connected.

And he can't get to this story, and he's trying to get to this story. Pablo Torre is finding out things that other people aren't finding out. It's a valuable service, and I don't believe it's the message that people are objecting to. I just don't know. I believe it's the person, to the degree that people are objecting to it, because it's getting a ton of applause and should. Can I pitch an idea? Perhaps we can even turn this into content. Pablo Torre makeover.

Right now, he's detached. He's unrelatable to the common man. He's a Harvard grad from New York City, the very embodiment of a liberal elite. This is what we do. We take Pablo to Oklahoma City for a month, get him some regular people clothes, working folks clothes, maybe some Wrangler jeans. Some Dickies.

Go to the boot scootin' tube or whatever the hell that shit is called, right? Work boots? So you now have him line dancing in work boots? And drinking strong American beers like ****, right? Miller Lite. Miller Lite. Miller Lite. You know what? Hold on a second. I'm sorry. Just forgive me. Hold on a second. Hold on. He was right, though. Bush International Airport is what I was talking about. Major asshole.

You fly to Houston. Out. Not another word! Like, that's the most egregious of offenses. Out.

My God. Don't bleep with the money, I mean. He was on to something, though. No, he wasn't. No, no. We make Pablo relatable to the common man. We put him in some basketball shorts. We put him on some sandals. Let him walk around. Not that this is a jean. All the stuff that he wears, all these fancy things. Come on. You guys have the right idea, and I do believe that we should have a game show where we try to teach Pablo how to be more likable. I will have to recuse myself. I know nothing about how to do this. Don't worry. I'll help. Yeah.

Everyone else thinks I can help. You just don't think I can help. You, me, and Mike should do it. No, everyone else thinks I can help. You're the only one who doesn't think I can help. I don't believe I'm the only one. And you've convinced this whole audience I can't help, but I can help. Other people think I can help. Was that helpful?

I mean, I don't believe that you or me should be teaching Pablo anything about likability. Common man, I don't think of you and Jeremy as like the number one common guy. I have asked people. I've never taken any classes. I've never done anything other than pay lip service to some of this. I've not taken an action to be more likable. But you have heard my lament over the course of 20 years here on this show that hasn't improved any, which is, I know my message is okay.

It's the messenger that's the problem. Like, it's my tone. It's strident. It's obnoxious. It's emotional. It doesn't get any better. It yammers. It thinks it's right. It's all the things Pablo is. No one in the media's history has ever been more like me than Pablo. And so I am here. I've already taught him everything I know. And this is the circumstance. He has all of the information that I can impart. And the result is this. What is in front of you reporting from the Yacht Club.

Why hasn't he listened to Reali? I feel like he could give him good advice. I don't think it's that easy to teach like a bull. I think it's really hard. I would say that I told Reali this the other day. I think we said it during the South Beach session that we did. His greatest gift...

is likeability. It's what makes, like of course he's good at television. He's very good at television, but people don't leave reality not liking reality. I'll tell you this about somebody else too, because I was talking about this with Eduardo Perez last night during the live cast, this live stream that was baseball while the basketball draft was going on.

Tim Kirkshin is the rarest of media entities that has fed all his life off of baseball and clubhouses, and no one has anything bad to say about Tim Kirkshin.

And it's stunning to be 50 years reporting things, some of which the athletes and executives don't want other people to know. And Tim Kirshen doesn't have an enemy in this business. But I would also say that in the business that we're in, you go ahead and give me all of the people at the very top of the food chain in whatever it is that you consider sports content and give me all the ones that are there because they're likable. Because the most famous ones...

I don't think are. I don't think likability is one of the traits. I think you want people to listen to you and you want the people who don't like you to also listen to you. And if they don't like you, as Howard Stern says, they often listen more than the ones who do. So when I say top of the food chain, obviously Kirchner's at the top of the food chain. But when I say the people in our industry that you regard as the most famous giver of sports opinions,

Give me the likable ones. Well, let me start with Kirkjian doesn't really give sports opinions as much, right? A lot of his stuff is factual reporting and context. He'll give a lot of that, especially when he talks about historical things.

But he's not out here saying, like, oh, I think Skeens is the best pitcher in the game right now. He doesn't do that. He does do some of that, but it's got the historical information and context that people understand. This is an expert, and he's not saying controversial things. And he's certainly not judging or smearing character very much or performance in a way that would be cruel, mean, or outsized.

But that's more rewarded now than it ever is. So if I do a likability chart on whoever it is that you consider the ratings movers, for example, I'll give you one example, right? So yesterday on the show, I said I think it's unlikely Shannon Sharp works at ESPN again, and I thought all of what Shannon did was carefully –

uh... staged in order to make it look like that was his decision a d_d_s_ being a favor by making it uh... look like all of that because i don't think he has p_n_ wanted to make any of that worse than it already was by firing him suspending him or even commenting on any of what's happening there so shannon can exist doing the stuff that he's doing on the stuff he owns

But the stuff that other people own, he cannot do whatever he wants. But the argument against what I'm saying is, well, he moves the needle, Dan. There aren't that many who do. Like, he actually produces ratings. And then where does Disney or any corporate giant have to do the math of, in my lifetime, that all happens around someone and they are not likely to return to Disney. But in this particular case, you have a total...

different media landscape and you've also got Disney getting in the business of we're gonna rent some of these mercenaries free agents people from the outside we're gonna give them platforms we're not gonna own them we're gonna give them independence so they can do other stuff and so maybe under these circumstances I

I've got it wrong. I don't think we'll see Shannon Sharp on ESPN again, but maybe ESPN needs whatever it is that Shannon Sharp is doing because he is actually one of the few needle movers. But it's not because of likability. And I like him, but it's not because of likability. It's because he gives opinions. And the two things almost, I would say, can't coexist.

to be done the very best way that returns ratings given that you're trying to do something that appeals to the broadest net of people and therefore you're going to have people who watch it because they like your cruel they

Stephen A. Smith's judgment of people has gotten more performative and more wrestling than it's ever been, at least in part, because it's obviously rewarded. It works. Because it works. It works. And it goes back to the Cosell thing that you were saying, which is...

They listen to you because they like you. And if they don't like you, they listen to you even more. Was it Howard Stern that said that? Either way. One of the Howards. One of the Howards said that. But it's true. And he's tapped into that. And if you're talking about

Shannon Sharp, my thought is he goes away. If he goes away and he's successful, wildly successful, they'll bring him back in because they bring back everybody who's wildly successful. I think when you talk about a likability sports opinion giver, I think automatically of Dan Patrick. He's lived so many lives of

ESPN anchor, SportsCenter, biggest show. Then he did his own thing. He's in Adam Sandler movies. He's just a very likable guy. I don't really think a lot of people say, I don't really like Dan Patrick. He's just a normal guy. It's an excellent one. And I will tell you a story I've told before around here. I'm going to say it was 15 years ago. I'm walking through the bowels of the Heats Arena and Dan Patrick is standing there. Can you guys look for me how long Dan Patrick has been doing his show? Because

I make fun of Dan Patrick about this. I'm walking through the arena and he says, I can't do what you do. So that's you? Yes. And I look at, but it was before he was doing radio, right? It was just three hours of just giving opinions on things.

And he's someone who's very careful. He's not cruel. When he criticizes somebody, it's usually fair. Like this is part of it. When I say the two things can't, almost can't coexist, likability and strong, strong opinion giving, Dan doesn't give a ton of strong opinions, but when he does, like strong critical opinions, but when he does, they land with more resonance than others

because he's picking his spots and not always doing that. It's not a daily conceit. And his audience, the audience that he has a very unique and special connection with, actually connects with him there. This is a person that I like because he's not out here pretending or behaving as if he's a know-it-all and that he knows better and more than anyone in sports. But that attitude does pay.

Like, Dan Patrick's an outlier. It's much easier to do what it is that I'm doing or whatever it is. And I say all of this because I was legitimately confused. I'm not saying it's because I'm better at anything than Dan Patrick, other than being...

more strongly opinionated in ways that would bother people than Dan Patrick is. - I would say two things. Number one, Dan Patrick's show started October 2007, so they're coming up on their 20th year anniversary soon too. Number two, I don't know, Dan sometimes comes across as a know-it-all. DP comes across as like a little bit like, look, you guys don't understand this, I understand this.

Look, I don't mind it, but I can definitely sense those vibes. I'm with you. It's definitely not like a Tim Kirkson or a Scott Van Pelt kind of curiosity of like, explain it to me. Ernie Johnson. But those guys are all different. Those are guys that Ernie Johnson's the point guard for having other people feed opinions. Kirkson's a factual reporter kind of guy. SVP, another guy that's kind of a point guard giving, you know, oh, this guy from the game is going to talk about this or whatever. When you're talking about sports opinion givers, you kind of have to.

Rich Eisen? Is Rich Eisen? Oh, no. No? Not likable? I'm not saying he comes off as a jerk, but I don't think of, like, oh, so likable. He's somewhere in the middle. It's really tough to give opinions and remain likable.

Like, that's kind of the whole thing. Everyone that we're going to talk about in sports media who is likable, it's through spots where they're just giving you little bits of information or they're hosting and setting up other people. As we talk about Pablo, though, and the point that we were making about the liberal elites, these used to be known as blue check marks, right? And there is a recoil when you get the applause of a media entity. When I'm sitting here telling you, Amin,

People don't like journalism and they don't like journalists. And so all of that makes it a difficult thing to overcome if you don't have any respect for journalism. And on top of that, journalism has been so distorted that

What Stephen A. Smith or Emmanuel Acho or whoever it is, or Colin Cowherd, whoever it is that's in the audience acquisition business, you see the compromises that end up getting made in search of that audience. And as the competition grows stronger,

That's only going to get worse and worse. Like, you have to keep up. I don't know why it is that Chris Cody has a disdain or finds Rich Eisen something less than likable. I said in the middle. He's not. I put him in the Dan Patrick. Like, I don't see Dan Patrick in the Tim Kirchhen category. I like Dan Patrick, but these guys are in the middle. Like, I don't see Eisen and Patrick as these, like,

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