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Scott Carmichael: 本期节目讨论了美国国内间谍活动的普遍性,以及在国防情报局(DIA)工作期间为古巴政府从事间谍活动的Ana Montes的案例。Carmichael在DIA工作了近26年,担任高级安全和反间谍调查员,他分享了调查和抓捕Montes的经历。他强调,识别间谍的难度很大,因为无法完全了解他人的动机。在调查Montes的过程中,Carmichael发现她非常善于掩盖自己的真实意图,并利用自己的专业技能和知识来逃避侦查。他详细描述了与Montes的面谈过程,以及Montes如何巧妙地回应他的质问,并试图控制谈话的节奏和时间。Carmichael还描述了Montes的工作习惯和生活方式,以及她如何通过记忆和记忆技巧来获取和传递情报,而不是直接窃取文件。他指出,Montes的间谍活动持续了17年,期间她每天都在努力工作,同时也在秘密地为古巴政府服务。Carmichael还谈到了FBI在调查初期对Montes的怀疑态度,以及他如何克服重重阻碍,最终将Montes绳之以法。 Phoebe Judge: Judge作为节目的主持人,引导访谈,并对Ana Montes的生平、动机和行为进行了深入探讨。她介绍了Montes的家庭背景、教育经历以及如何被古巴情报人员招募。她还采访了撰写关于Montes的书籍的作者Jim Popkin,Popkin提供了Montes在古巴接受间谍训练的细节,以及她如何利用自己的职位和技能为古巴政府服务。Judge还探讨了Montes的个人生活,以及她如何保持低调和隐秘。她还采访了Montes的家人和朋友,了解他们对Montes行为的看法。Judge还讨论了Montes泄露的情报信息对美国国家安全的影响,以及她被捕后的反应和审判结果。 Jim Popkin: Popkin作为一名记者和作家,提供了关于Ana Montes的补充信息。他详细描述了Montes在古巴接受间谍训练的过程,以及她如何利用自己的职位和技能为古巴政府服务。Popkin还谈到了Montes的动机,以及她对美国政府在拉丁美洲政策的不满。他强调,Montes的行为是出于政治信仰,而不是为了金钱或荣誉。Popkin还谈到了Montes的个人生活,以及她如何保持低调和隐秘。他指出,Montes的间谍活动持续了很长时间,并且她非常擅长于掩盖自己的真实身份。Popkin还讨论了Montes被捕后对美国政府的合作,以及她对间谍活动的道德反思。

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Ana Montes, born in Germany and raised in the U.S., worked as a defense intelligence analyst while secretly sharing information with Cuba for 17 years. Her journey into espionage began with a relationship with an Argentinian man who influenced her political views against U.S. foreign policy. She was recruited by a classmate at Johns Hopkins and received training in Havana on spy techniques and avoiding detection.
  • Ana Montes worked at the DIA while spying for Cuba for 17 years.
  • Her political views were influenced by an Argentinian acquaintance.
  • She was recruited while studying at Johns Hopkins and received spy training in Havana.

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Phoebe: Are there a lot of spies in this country today?

Scott: Far more than people can probably even imagine. You can't rule anybody out. You never know what it is that motivates people to do this.

For 17 years, Ana Montes was quietly sharing information with the Cuban government while working as a U.S. defense intelligence analyst.

Scott Carmichael’s book is True Believer: Inside the Investigation and Capture of Ana Montes, Cuba's Master Spy). Jim Popkin’s book is Code Name Blue Wren – The True Story of America’s Most Dangerous Female Spy and the Sister She Betrayed.)

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