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Serial S01 - Update 2: Day 02, Adnan Syed’s Hearing

2014/12/18
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Sarah Koenig详细描述了听证会第二天的情况,检方对关键证人Asia证词的质疑成为焦点。检方主要质疑Asia关于案发当天看到Adnan在图书馆的证词,因为Asia将此记忆与下雪联系起来,但实际上当天并没有下雪。检方还质疑了Asia给Adnan的两封信的真实性,特别是第二封信中包含的案情细节,质疑其写作时间。检方还利用警方的笔记暗示Adnan可能与Asia联系过,让她帮忙打字,这与Asia的证词相矛盾。辩方律师则反驳了检方关于Asia信件中细节的质疑,并指出警方的笔记有多种解读,不一定支持检方的说法。此外,听证会还涉及到手机塔定位证据的争议,原审中使用的AT&T手机塔专家报告存在免责声明,声明不应使用来电记录进行定位,这可能影响原审中对Adnan位置的判断。辩方专家则对此提出了质疑。

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The discussion revolves around Asia's memory of seeing Adnan in the library on the day of Hae Min Lee's disappearance, specifically tied to the snow. The state questions the accuracy of her memory due to the lack of snow on that day.
  • Asia's memory of seeing Adnan in the library is tied to the snow.
  • The state questions the accuracy of her memory due to the lack of snow on the day in question.
  • Asia remains confident in her memory despite the state's questioning.

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Hello.

are you back in your root war?

Yeah, I am. I, I really like IT in here now. I I might just stay in here all night.

All right. So today was the second day of of the hearing.

yes.

how? So how did you go for either today?

Um they really went after her. You know, today was mostly the state cross examining her, and they really attacked her testimony in a bunch of ways. One of the things I bw up was this whole no issue because you remember when I talk to her on the phone that time, you know, when I was reporting the story, he called me, SHE said, SHE remembered that day, specifically january thirteen, one thousand nine hundred ninety nine, the day he goes missing, the day he goes missing, SHE remembred seeing, and none in the library and SHE said to me, because of the snow .

member that yeah yeah right yes.

He was like, remember, because I was the first snow of the year and there was all the snow and the state today the prosecutor, he was like, are you sure you have the right day? Because there wasn't snow that day. Was there like you sort of reference, which he had said to me?

I mean, that that was something we kind of had a question about two, because he was very clear with. You SHE got snowed in at her boyfriend's house. And then the next two days with snow days. So she's very clear that SHE tides, this memory to to the snow.

right? Yeah, yeah.

But we kind of wondered about that. Yeah.

because we looked up the weather, right? And IT hadn't snowed. IT hadn't snowed.

There was a Harrison ice storm that had started like in the wee hours of the next morning, but there wasn't snow. IT was IT. IT was terrible weather.

And IT was like a big emergency in baltimore. But IT was an ice storm. And so SHE can I mean, SHE did a fairly good job with you that I mean, he just said, like, yeah, I don't know.

I know IT was bad weather. I'm not sure if I was snow or ice or whatever. I just remember IT was like hazardous s bad weather school was cancelled after that.

He was like, I remember I was happy about IT because I had used the excuse of bad weather as a reason to stay later at my boyfriend derrick's house, and my mom bought IT. And then he was like, going to remember that because i'd stay out later, I was happy that the school was cancelled for the next two days. So IT sounds a pretty specific specific .

actually I don't know.

but I have to say he was very cool and collected about IT IT wasn't SHE didn't seem frazer or freak doubt or SHE was just like, yeah I don't know, bad snow eyes I don't know I was bad weather ha, yeah SHE seemed total SHE seemed completely confident in her memories even when I was thinking like, oh, oh like even when I was thinking like, wait a minute oh, what .

happened .

yeah well, so the other the main thing that happened, at least, was new to me as a theory about asians, alia. And that made me think, like, wait a minute, let me rethink this. And in fact, I asked you guys to go screamingly back to the records that we have, our .

detectives. This is the .

jone staff. Yes, the jone staff, because the prosecutor VGA went after her for a long time about the second letter that SHE wrote to a none right after he got.

So we did. So we should just take a setback and explain what these letters are that that you talking about so the so asia wrote a non two letter he wrote in the first letter the day after he was arrested, I think march first one thousand nine hundred ninety nine and um and that's this hand remote where she's for of saying to him i've just into your house and at your parents and I wants to tell you that I remember talking to that day, january thirteen thousand ninety nine I remember seeing you in the library so then the next day SHE SHE writes him another letter and this one is a little bit different it's a little bit longer. It's typed up SHE seems to be writing IT in like from one of her classes at school and in that one um SHE sort of reiterate again like I remember seeing you in the library that day so let me know if you need me to speak up about that right?

So today the the second letter the typed one was was the issue today so the state is really pressing her over and over to say, are you sure you really wrote this letter on march second because it's stated in march second and in fact, it's stated on iris of three page letter. And at the bottom of each page, IT says march second and SHE keeps saying, yes, yes, I am yep. And he's pointing to things in the letter that suggest IT was written later, maybe that suggest IT was written later because she's got all of this fairly specific information about announce case and about the the crime in the way the crime unfolded and he's suggesting like how would you have known all this stuff?

What were some were some of the things the prosecutor was pointing to in the letter as, like, how would you know this? Or that there were .

several things. One was, he noted that hey was found in a shallow grave. Another was that he talks about someone else referencing fibers from a non on his body.

So the prosecutor is saying, like it's too soon for any of those details that have been out in the public two days after IT, none has been arrested. What he's kind of saying.

that's what he's suggesting. In fact, he's not really correct about that because then Justin Brown, adnan's defense attorney, stood up after that and showed exhibits of bottom, more sun stories dated prior to asia's letter that talk about these, that have these very phrases in the shallow grave. No league in park that, you know. So so that didn't hold up very well.

But but there was this one thing that, and this was the thing that I was like, and that is he's asking her, did IT none ever contact you from jail and she's like, no and he says, did he ever call, you know? Did he, you know, send you letter? She's like, note and he says, well, how do you explain if IT none never contacted you? How would you explain notes from a from a detectives interview with a nounce friend? This is a kidnapping joan gordon. And in these notes, IT says that joan told the cops that adnan had written a letter to a girl and asked her to type IT up, but he got the address wrong.

And what does that mean? Like what does that .

what does that imply? He's what I think he was trying to imply that adnan had had contacted asia and had asked her to type up this letter in this way this .

march second letter.

But he's implying IT wasn't actually written march second. IT was written perhaps weeks later no, that maybe he engineer and that maybe annon asked her to write this type, to type up this letter. Ha, yeah.

And that was like, well, what does that mean? Does that mean he doesn't remember what he thinks he remembers? Or does that mean she's lying or or non? Did this did contact her? What does that mean? You know and so you know IT started IT starts to make her sort of very pure story about being um just a potential alia who who wanted to step forward to the right thing to like click something slightly different. And so that's why I asked you guys to look up a notes from that detective interview with jan.

okay. So so i'm looking at the detective notes from their interview with to on on April ninth and they didn't record that interview. So i've all i've got to these kind of like cypher detectives notes. So i'll just read those to you and this is what they say. I think this is what the prosecutor is referencing.

IT says, um IT not rote me a letter and remember at this time anna is in jail so none wrote me a letter he called the yesterday but I wasn't home wrote non back he wrote a letter to a girl to type up with his address on IT but he got IT wrong and then there's an address is one of one east eager street, which is the incorrect address for central booking and then IT says asia was a question mark twelve grade I got one. Just an adria got one and Justin address was a friend of at nance and I guess was was asia's x boyfriend. But am I am just saying, like those are pretty cyp tic. And I could also see that note as implying that IT none read a letter to girl and asked her, could you please give my friend ds the address so that they can write me letters? And that's all that means.

That's true. That's true. I mean, right.

And then he gets out wrong. And it's like I can just matter how this could play out in a totally innocent different way from what the prosecutor seems to be suggesting.

The one line that stops me is he wrote a letter to a girl to type up and I don't know, it's true. It's not clear. It's not clear what this totally means.

But here's the thing IT raises IT IT does make you pause, right? And that's his entire point. That's that's the prosecutors entire point is that I can throw a bunch of suspicion on asia's story in all of these various ways. And if I didn't do IT here before you today in this hearing, that means the prosecutors back, he had nounce criminal trial back in thousand nine hundred and ninety nine, two thousand could have done the same thing.

So the state is showing, look, maybe she's not such an iron clad alibi after all. And if he is not such an iron clad l by then, maybe Christina, good teas did have a very good reason for not pursuing her.

IT wasn't a mistake. IT was a strategy.

That's what he's trying to show. So what did you think .

did you buy that? Did I buy IT? I mean, I would say I don't think that he like proved as SHE didn't write the letter on march second or anything like that and he seemed very comfortable just saying, like I don't know what to those notes about jaan mean, but I wrote this letter march second. I never hurt from a non SHE was he just was very forthright at about IT or seemed very for thread about that, I should say and but IT did you know, IT did make me think like, ha, well, IT does make you wonder what could have happened at trial and whether you would have been a slam dunk for non necessarily, you know.

okay. So can we talk about the main event of the day, which is the cell, one testimony which i've ve been reading patiently to get to?

I know I so wish you were there today. Dinner, honestly, I was like, I was like, dinner would be eating this of, I was like, drilling part way through. I mean.

it's IT was hard time.

He was that exciting. I so it's really important is the thing but it's just it's hard to sink your teeth into in terms of emotion, you know but it's no IT was I mean, yeah, IT was interesting. So basically today there was not a big bomb shell on this issue, but I think they're setting the stage for one.

So IT turns out that the atn t cell tower, the A N T cell tower expert who testified at announce original trial in two thousand IT, turns out that there was this disclaimer on those records, on a on a fax cover sheet for those records back in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. That said, you can't use incoming calls. They're not reliable for location status. Incoming calls are not reliable for location status. And why that's important is because the two phone calls, that place had none in leakin park at the time that jay said they were bearing the body.

Our incoming calls, right? So what happened was this fall, just recently, that same cells, wer expert wrote an affidavit saying, I didn't know about that displays imer about not using the incoming calls for location so now he's saying, i'm not sure now about my testimony, i'm not sure I could say that those two calls place the phone in lacon park so that I did not testify today actually. But the defense team brought in this other expert who said, yes, you know that the ccl im er was very, very important and they spent a lot of the debt the afternoon arguing that the state in the defense over basically the meaning of location on those cell tower records, how to interpret the word location.

I'm really just you get to be there for that tomorrow. No, I actually am because this is actually really important. This this like cellphone disclaim or thing is, is something that's bugging me for a really long time because it's sort of like if if that is, in fact, the case that you can use incoming calls for location data, then that kind of means there's A A chance that that that telephone was not in the king park when the prosecution of the original trial said I was. So it's no it's a real .

problem for the state. Yeah, it's a real problem if it's not true. So this might really get answer tomorrow of whether whether that's a real thing that you can use incoming calls for location that .

would that would make me really happy if they could answer that.

Stay tuned, man, you're going.

Are are you so i'll coming home?

Yes, I will.

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