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The Good Whale - Ep. 5

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Daniel Alarcón: 本集探讨了虎鲸凯科在重返海洋后失踪四周的经历。这段时间充满了神秘感,人们对其经历众说纷纭。节目组通过音乐剧的形式,从凯科的视角出发,推演了它可能经历的三种情况:被野生鲸群接纳、被野生鲸群排斥以及怀念人类。这反映了人们对凯科回归海洋后能否成功适应野生环境的担忧和好奇。 Daniel Alarcón: 凯科的回归是人们长期以来的愿望,如同好莱坞式的结局。然而,它在海洋中失踪四周的经历,却成为了一个谜团。节目组试图通过多种方式来探寻真相,最终选择以音乐剧的形式来展现凯科可能经历的种种可能性,这体现了节目组对故事的重视以及对真相的探索精神。 Daniel Alarcón: 节目组邀请了专业的音乐剧创作团队,力求从凯科的视角来展现这段关键的经历,这体现了节目组对细节的追求以及对故事完整性的重视。 Daniel Alarcón: 凯科重返海洋后,人们对其的关注并未减少,反而更加强烈。当凯科重新出现时,人们试图与它亲近,这引发了担忧,也体现了人类对自然与动物的复杂情感。 Benj Pasek and Justin Paul: 音乐剧歌词讲述了凯科在海洋中可能经历的三个故事。第一个故事是凯科被野生鲸群接纳,与它们一起生活、捕猎,感受到了久违的归属感。第二个故事是凯科被野生鲸群排斥,它独自漂流,感到孤独和迷茫。第三个故事是凯科怀念人类,它回忆起与人类互动的美好时光,并表达了对人类的思念。这三个故事共同展现了凯科在适应野生环境过程中可能面临的挑战和内心挣扎。 未指名发言人: 凯科重返海洋后,人们对其的关注并未减少,反而更加强烈。当凯科重新出现时,人们试图与它亲近,这引发了担忧,也体现了人类对自然与动物的复杂情感。

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What happened to Keiko after he disappeared in Icelandic waters?

Keiko traveled east for four weeks, unobserved and with no human contact, before resurfacing off the coast of Norway, where he was seen swimming with children.

Why is Keiko's four-week journey considered a mystery?

Keiko's journey is a mystery because it is unclear why he traveled east, whether he returned to humans because he couldn't survive in the wild, or if he missed human interaction. The details of his time with a pod of wild whales and his experiences during those weeks remain unknown.

What was the purpose of the musical created about Keiko's journey?

The musical, 'The Ballad of Keiko,' was created to imaginatively explore the unknown four weeks of Keiko's journey, offering a perspective from Keiko himself. It aimed to vividly depict what might have happened during this critical period in his life.

Who were the creators of the musical 'The Ballad of Keiko'?

The musical was written by Benj Pasek, Justin Paul, and Mark Sonnenblick, with production by Pasek, Paul, Ian Eisendrath, and August Eriksman. It featured Jordan Fisher as Keiko and was directed by Carlos Lopez Estrada.

What challenges did Keiko face during his time in the wild?

Keiko faced challenges such as isolation, difficulty finding food, and struggles to integrate with wild pods. He also experienced moments of disorientation and longing for his previous life in captivity, where he was famous and interacted with humans.

What was the reaction of people when Keiko resurfaced in Norway?

When Keiko resurfaced in Norway, people attempted to swim with him and pet him, which angered his care team. His appearance and swimming condition were surprisingly good, but the interaction with humans raised concerns about his well-being.

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Keiko, the famous orca, disappeared after being released into the wild. His four-week journey east is shrouded in mystery, raising questions about his adaptation to freedom and the success of the rehabilitation program.
  • Keiko's disappearance after a storm
  • Four-week eastward journey
  • Uncertainty about his interactions with other whales
  • Question of whether the rehabilitation was successful

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Keiko was last seen with a pod of wild whales as a storm was rolling in. But when the weather cleared and his care team returned, he was gone. And what happened next is a bit of a mystery. We know the broad outline. That for four weeks he traveled east until he resurfaced off the coast of Norway, swimming with kids. But why? What did this mean? Did he come back to us, humans, because he couldn't make it in the wild? Or was it something else? Because he missed us? We don't know.

Was his journey based on a memory of a childhood migration, however dimly recalled, or something more banal like the ocean current? Was he a pilgrim on a mission, a kid lost at the mall, or a teenage runaway keen on adventure? We don't know. We don't know how long he stayed with that pod of whales he was seen with at the start of his journey, whether he swam with them for an hour or a day or a week, whether he chased after them or begged for their attention, was accepted or ignored.

Everything Keiko had gone through was leading to this. All the rehab and training in Oregon and Iceland for this. Four weeks of swimming east in an almost straight line. If only we knew what he experienced, we'd know if this long, grand experiment to restore wildness to a captive orca had succeeded. We'd know whether it was possible for a whale that had been captive for so long to live like a wild whale does with other whales in a pod, even for a little while.

But those four weeks are essentially a black box. Anything we say about this period of time is much closer to make-believe than to reporting. So to get inside those mysterious weeks, we're going to have to leave journalism behind. Just for a little bit, I promise. Just for this one short episode, we're going to do something different. We're going to take what we do know and think through what might have happened. How those four weeks might have gone. It's such an important chapter in our story and we wanted to do it justice and imagine it as vividly as possible.

We talked about different ways we could do that. A radio play, a piece of fiction. But then we decided, you know what? Screw it. Let's just do the most out there version of this. Like Keiko, let's just go as far as we can possibly go. We decided to imagine these four weeks as a musical.

What if Keiko was a killer whale in some animated film? And what if we could see his experiences and know his thoughts, his fears, his hopes? For this critical month of his life, let's try to imagine the story for the first time from the one perspective we've been missing through this whole series, Keiko's.

I know, I know. This sounds crazy. It sounded crazy to me when it was first floated. But trust me, there's a logic to all this. We enlisted professionals, people who do this for a living. Benj Pasek and Justin Paul. They write musicals, big fantastical stories for kids, but also stuff for adults. Dear Evan Hansen, La La Land. We asked them to take the little we know about where Keiko started and how he ended up. And for one song, imagine what might have happened to Keiko in that time in between.

So here it is, and the song begins in the only place it can, in the dark, briny blue. Many have mused on the old mystery, the whale that the world had set free. Somewhere the answers are lost to the sea, in the dark, briny blue.

Weeks beneath waves as you journey along. We'll tell you three tales, but the tales could be wrong. For only a whale knows the words to his song and can sing what is true. Do in the dark, Briney.

So much water, so much sky, giant shadows pass me by. I join the pod, we're fin to fin. They circle round and take me in. We're weaving through the waves, soaring through the space. They sing a set of songs that sound like mine. We roughhouse and we race through herring that we chase. We slap our tails and splash along the coastline.

Now I'm part of a pack in a swole white and black and we're flying free Three in back, four in front and they help me to hunt like a family And I spend days upon days upon days upon days growing strong here I spend days upon days upon days upon days I belong here But then one day

I get distracted, a familiar sort of sound An engine hums, I go to chase it, but I get turned around And when I try to circle back, can't find the swirl of white and black And now my path is nowhere to be found So much water, so much sky

♪ Just for a bit did he finally belong ♪ ♪ We told you a tale but the tale could be wrong ♪ ♪ For only a whale knows the words to his song ♪ ♪ And can sing what is true ♪ ♪ One tale was told, let a second unfold ♪ ♪ There's more to behold in the dark ♪ ♪ Briny ♪

So much water, so much sky. Giant shadows pass me by. Black and white, they're big and broad. Just like me, is this my pod? I'm swimming to their side, hoping I can stay. I try to find a song that they might know, but I can't get it right. I've never sung their way. I fumble and I never find the flow.

And there's hair in despair, but they don't want to share, they refuse to play. And they're rowdy and rough, and I'm not quick enough when they swim away. And I try to stun a fish, but I stumble. I'm hungry, and my stomach starts to rumble. And for days upon days upon days upon days, isolation remains.

And for days upon days upon days I have no destination And my mind goes blank And I mistake So much water So it's good Two different tales of our wail's time and sea Was he embraced or exiled? How did he cope free from captivity? How did he fare in the wild?

Two different tales are washed up on the shore And if you listen, the dark briny blue holds one more So much water, so much sky Now I'm here, I'm not sure why Such an endless blue abyss They fought to set me free for this

I'm swimming with a pod. They're nice enough, I guess. And every day we keep the same routine. We swim and sleep and hunt. It's pleasant, more or less. But there's another world they've never seen. Cause they don't know the thrill when you show off a brilliant daring dive. And the kids clap their hands as they scream from the stands and you feel alive.

Cause for days upon days upon days upon days I was famous Now it's days upon days upon days upon days And I'm nameless, aimless I miss the children who would play I miss belly rubs all day Packs of people swimming at my side They'd hold on to my fin and we would ride Ride!

Gave the wild a real try It's too much water, too much sky, goodbye We have mused on the old mystery So much unknown, but on this we agree He journeyed those long thousand miles, crossed the sea till he reached Somewhere new That much is true But what did he do?

For four weeks he traveled until he bumped his nose on the edge of this giant pool called the ocean. That's on the next and final episode of The Good Whale.

He was out in these little islands off the coast, just rubbing himself in the kelp fronds. It was surprisingly good how good he was looking also, the way he was swimming. And somebody called us and says, you better turn on the TV. People were trying to go and swim with him, trying to pet him. I was, I mean, I was beyond pissed off.

Okay, so we have one more really cool thing to share with you. We made a music video for this incredible song you just heard, and it has puppets and features Broadway star Jordan Fisher. The video was directed by Carlos Lopez Estrada, who happens not just to be a contributing editor on the series, but also a real-life Hollywood director. Carlos has done music videos for people like Billie Eilish and the Thundercats and the rap group Clipping, and now us.

So go to our Instagram, Serial Podcasts, or sign up to our newsletter at nytimes.com slash Serial Newsletter. You don't want to miss it. The Good Whale is written by me, Daniel Alarcon, and reported by me and Katie Mingle. The show is produced by Katie and Alyssa Shipp. Jen Guerra is our editor. Additional editing from Julie Snyder and Ira Glass. Sound design, music supervision, and mixing by Phoebe Wang. Research and fact-checking by Jane Ackerman with help from Ben Phelan.

A truly talented team of people helped us put together this specific episode today. The song, The Ballad of Keiko, was written by Benj Pasek and Justin Paul and Mark Sonnenblick. Produced by Pasek and Paul, Ian Eisendrath and August Eriksman, with help from me, Ira Glass and Jen Guerra. It was engineered and mixed by Derek Lee, mastering by Oscar Zambrano.

The song features Jordan Fisher as Keiko, Quentin Earl Darrington, Brian Darcy James, and Paul Alexander Nolan as the fisherman, with Adam Rothenberg on piano. Our music video, which, again, you must check out on our Instagram page, at Serial Podcast, was directed by Carlos Lopez Estrada and Anna Moskowitz. Produced by Ali Kiesley, with help from Melissa Shipp, Ndeye Chubu, and Mac Miller.

Additional cinematography by Joshua Echeverria. Puppets by Viva La Puppet and puppet captain Michelle Zamora. Edited by Mayki Rupert. VFX by Justin Nguyen. Special thanks on this episode to Joshua Freed, Anna Spear, Danielle Perlman, Matthew Sullivan, and Frances Swanson. The Good Whale is from Serial Productions and The New York Times.

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