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The Trojan Horse Affair - Part 7

2022/3/18
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Brian 和 Hamza:伯明翰市议会试图掩盖一份关于特洛伊木马事件的审计报告,该报告对事件的叙述与官方说法相悖。他们收到了市议会律师的警告信,要求他们交出所有机密文件并停止报道。为了保护消息来源和自身安全,他们销毁了报告副本。 Peter Hay:审计报告存在根本性缺陷,结论完全错误。市议会经过彻底调查后,认为报告结论完全错误,该报告考虑不周、构思错误且时机不当。 Andrew Bannister:警方最初的假设是Wazna Dar策划了教师的辞职。然而,在调查过程中,警方发现学校有监控录像显示辞职信是由第三方送达的,并且学校领导团队目睹了信件的打开过程。警方最终改变了对Wazna Dar的看法,认为她可能是诈骗案的受害者。 Wazna Dar:Wazna Dar否认参与伪造辞职信,并声称自己是受害者。她利用特洛伊木马信件作为证据,为自己辩护,并最终促使市议会撤回了审计报告。 Brian 和 Hamza:伯明翰市议会否认了他们掩盖审计报告的指控,但没有解释撤回报告的原因。市议会暗示他们掌握了我们不知道的信息,导致他们改变了对事件的理解。他们对审计报告的撤回和对特洛伊木马信件的处理前后矛盾,这表明他们可能存在掩盖真相的行为。

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Birmingham authorities struggle to explain their disavowal of the Trojan Horse plot findings. Brian and Hamza's investigation into court documents reveals a potential cover-up involving the Oda report, which suggested the head teacher of Utterly Primary School forged resignation letters.
  • Birmingham City Council threatened legal action against Brian and Hamza to stop their reporting on the Oda report.
  • The Oda report suggested the head teacher of Utterly Primary School may have forged resignation letters.
  • The council retracted the Oda report after the Trojan Horse letter surfaced, claiming it was unreliable.

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We're going to pick up a thread we left off a bit ago back from when hums and I were reporting in birmingham and this happened. I just got a letter from the council .

threatening and junction. We are. We need to figure this out very quickly. Yeah.

okay, right. homes. And I had been connecting dots for some birmingham city council members about the relationship between the church, en horse's letter and utterly primary school. The former council leader, Alberta had just responded by saying he was a gas. What we were telling him, that what we discovered could have changed the whole course of the children horse affair. But next we knew hums, and I each got an angry letter from council lawyers demanding that we hand over any confidential council materials we got in the hold of and stop our reporting on them, and that if we didn't, they take us to the high court of england and wales and get a judge to gags.

Within hours, again, this thread, brian had fled the city.

As you know, i'm booming right now. Location hid.

hid in our report materials somewhere.

I didn't know. Country.

okay, and soon would both be bet on. Ladies and gentleman, welcome to brussels media, our final stop, the main exit of which .

I know that sounds over dramatic, but escaping the united kingdom wasn't my idea how. And I were warned that the way the law works in england, IT, was possible, be not hugely likely, but possible, that authorities could come knocking on our doors and try to make us hand over reporting materials. We were worried about our sources that they might be identified.

And there was one document in particular that the lawyer said in their letters to us, the burningham city council wanted back one document that this all really seemed to be about, that the city council seemed dead set on making sure hums. And I would not tell you about the odda report. Remember that one IT was past to us via gloved hands.

The audit report contain the findings of the investigation that worming of city council auditor ors have conducted into the resignation dispute at elderly primary school becomes to finalized IT right before the trojan horse letter arrived an hour boar's desk and IT was the official report suggesting that utterly head teacher was found on a dark had possibly forged the resignation letters of the fort at or school because of the report, the city council had referred the case to the police and of course, IT was the month after the otto was completed that the trojan horse sleut appeared suggesting the whole resignation situation and even the odd investigation itself was part of an a labor islam conspiracy of which was vana dar was a victim. Well, the council was now saying to us, in essence, you fools, you should never trust that audit report. And they reminded us in these letters of something we knew, but I never fully understood after the trojan horse sleep brew up publicly, the council had officially retracted the author report. They disavow their auditor's findings that was on a dar might have been behind the resignation letters. And quietly they bury the document, this document, which appeared to bunk the trojan horse.

Frankly, the attraction of the order to report to bride, and I IT look like a cover up. It's why, long before the council thread, i'd convinced brian that we should get rid of the copy of the report that we had in the U. K, I knew a sensitive, and I could see where things might be headed, that the council might come after. So late one night, in yet another dramatic I C scene.

you not shine that in my eyes, cancer.

And when we find ourselves with some time to kill, they were empty field during the report trip. And wales, should you do IT here, bushes or something? We decided to make a ceremony of IT.

I just want to say, as i'm lighting this document on fire, I really, really missed the first amendment. There goes.

Let's pray.

In their threat letter to us, the councils lawyers denied directly that theyd been a conspiracy to hide the order. They said theyd been no cover up inside the council ranks, yet they offered no explanation for why they'd retracted him that and said, what evidence of any the council uncovered after the fact they made them reject with the order to have found badly that the report was unreliable and the law is informed us in billing legals that if we consider the council's order report as a credible document, if we relied on IT to suggest that mr.

Dar had possibly concocted the resignation is, or all of the trolley hora will be making a huge mistake they said would be getting the story totally wrong. What the specific said was that would be, quote mr. And perverse of us to treat the order, the report as credible.

They said, unequipped, that this dar did not write the resignation letters or the torgan horses. M, the council was implying that there was something they are knew, that we didn't, something that made them change their whole understanding of the idlc. And if the torch horse .

that I don't know, there's got to be some information .

we're acting on ten .

around yeah there had to be some information that they got that .

inspired that what did the council know that we didn't from server productions and the new york times and how .

to say i'm brian .

read this is the Jordan horse again.

The council retracted the order report in the autumn of twenty fourteen, and IT wasn't some public announcement. The decision happened behind the all night, first of council house and private meetings among officials and lawyers. But hopefully before the council trend's, someone had leaked right to me, what else, a letter we've taken to calling this one the hay letter, because was written by top council officer, the time named Peter. Hey, and we're hopeful you will provide some answers because Peter haye wrote this letter to adder's primary core and in IT, explained over two pages why the council did IT, why they notify the order report. I would like to .

take this opportunity to detail the reasons why the audit report is incorrect, enhance, retracted.

When brian reit allowed, though IT was not what we expected.

both myself in the council have found that the auto report is fundamentally flawed, incorrect, holy, unreliable and one sided. After a thorough investigation by the council, we have come to the view that the conclusions reached in the report are completely incorrect and that the report was ill considered, misconceived and poorly timed.

The hey, let is pack so many signals for the order popping wrong that we were certain somewhere in IT, Peter hay would walk through whatever evidence had come to light to make the council bitter on the audit. But he doesn't really. He says a few times that the order report was one sided because was one a door and adder's had been CoOperated with investigation.

They've been advised not to buy their lawyers while the T. S. Had an active legal case against school.

Hay seems to put a lot of significance on that, as if the council was surprised to learn the mr. dr. Hadn't taken part in the order, even though that wasn't a new discovery.

The order IT is talk about IT at some length in the report itself. Peter hay also mentions that the police had their mind about what happened elderly, but again, doesn't say why, he just continues growling in them. Please don't do us kind of toned.

IT is fully accepted that mida was a no way involved in fabricating the alleged letters and is fully CoOperated all times with the authority. I would like to take this opportunity to scarey apologize for the personal distress and upset that this is cosmic dar and fully understand what hearing experiences has been for her. The council, I recognized that he was a mistake to produce such an incorrect and bias document, which had little sexual basis.

What .

what is going on?

This reads to me like, you know, I hosted delivers like a speed to cameras. And i'm fine. I'm okay.

This is to me like that. What is the city talking about? We were no clear after getting the sleep what the council learned about atterly that made them see things differently. So we took the hay letter to Peter hay himself to ask him if he could interpret for us, tell us what evidence he and his colleagues came across that made them believe their auditors have been wrong about was on a dar IT had been more than three years since he'd written this object letter. So Peter, he had to give you a quick reread, and he seemed to spot something in IT that explain .

the turnaround. The.

okay, do you go what.

But if you hold a constant mind when the evidence .

in front of you changes .

or what's the evidence that .

we want .

to know set out in here is IT though.

So you've got.

That that.

well.

i've sent out over two sides the failure .

to take in .

consideration things. And mrs, does involvement change your information from the police, the conclusion they ve reached to a, and the need to kind of have a relook at IT .

those about a specific and answers we got from Peter. Hey, no more specific than as letter. We went round and around round on this.

There's nothing we're missing that there is nothing else that you can remember that was causing this. What do you remember about how this came about? But even this letter is very it's very dramatic, like you're really apologizing a lot.

There's a lot of um additives. What prompted this letter? Do you remember writing this?

I don't know and it's odd because it's not fully light out at the top as IT would be light out.

This one remembers that it's .

got my signal on IT. We've gotta ask.

this is a story about possibly fake letters. I'm serious. Did you write?

No, i'm it's got a signal on the bottom. And that looks like my style. I may have got some things wrong. There are still some things in this whole instance that are unknown and are unclear, and may remain unknown and unclear for some time.

We said about a Peter, hey, wondering if he was as biller as we were. Did he honestly not remember why they just own the audit? Or was he getting so twisted up because he was holding something? The only concrete development he seemed to offer to explain why the council flipped was because the police had undergone their own change of heart on the elderly resignation case.

A quick timeline here. The forty eight filed grievances against us on a dark in twenty twelve justice. The schools about to hear those grievances. The four dispute resignations appeared about a year later in the autumn of twenty thirteen. Council auditors finished their investigation, issued the order report, and the council asked the cops to take on the case because IT looked to the auditors as if the tes had been victims of a fraud, which is a criminal matter.

The view was, at that point, that reason dar the school, a misbehavior in some way.

This is retired detective and present private I Andrew bannister, the city council asked his department, the west midlands police, to look into the elderly, and they did. They reviewed the councils aid investigation and they ve got a warrant to go in deadly ly primary school on the last day of march twenty fourteen. Detective minister says they entered the school with the following .

hypothesis that we wanted, had orchestrated the the resignations in the subsequent taking other staff and the material was there to CoOperate, that the letters, the original letters of resignation letters over school and been ended over analyze. And this was all because resign a doll was corrupt.

But when the police left that visit atterly, they believe the opposite they were viewing was wanted dar as a potential victim in the fraudful, rather than a suspect.

The whole thing start one way and any different yeah.

that's what we're trying to figure out, right? right? So we asked Andrew banister, what evidence did you find that caused you to change your view of arizona dar, which in turn made the birmingham council change its view of zona dar? Detective minister wasn't at that school visit himself, but he knows the elderly case well because he did a review of the investigation and the evidence. And he told us when police officers got to utterly that last day of march they were surprised to find that was won a dar and her leadership team were eager to CoOperate with them the cops had been expecting that, given out of his refusal to work with the council's auditors and banisters says mr. Donner colleagues had proof that the test did send resignation letters to the school.

My understand is that were able to say, say, store away, that the letters had been delivered by hand by a third party. Was on C, C, T, V.

The school had C, C, T, V. Footage of letters being delivered by a school volunteer, a woman named for zona bb. For zona B, B, is the sister of two of the muslim.

T. S. SHE was also on the governing body and elderly.

The camera footage showed that for zana, bb had walked into the school reception area on the day of the supposed resignations at one of four P. M. With a stack of employees in your hand.

The emblems were placed in a try at the front cancer. The admin staff saw them being there. The C, C, T, V.

CoOperated that. And those envelope, pes were collected by riza what's going immediately into a staff meeting, and that the envelopes were opened. They were opened in the presence of the senior leadership team of the school. So IT tends to put a completely different slammed on the matter.

Got IT. Yes, there we go. That answers a question that does put a completely difference land on the matter is how I would have reacted to Andrew minister, if this fact that there were letters with new information which the police had uncovered that day but IT wasn't the T A didn't dispute that they asked for zona baby to drop off some letters.

They just said they were held with related forms that mister da had requested, what they all in d from work, not resignations. This was all covered in the council's all day. So this pointed C, C, T, V.

Evidence from not being new was pretty much meaningless because IT only CoOperate to something both sides agreed on. The envelopes had arrived at the school. IT didn't prove that their resignations inside those envelope.

Pes, in fact, the whole mention of C, C, T, V footage for permissable council auditors IT only made them more suspicious of mr, because soon after envelopes arrived, when he called the H R department of bursary council to tell them that some T S had just resigned, SHE mentioned unprompted that the school had C C T V footage of a relative of the employees drop in off the enflowered the audit note to audit of this detail, since why would you proactively reference C, C T, V evidence before any conflict at horizon? IT was as if mr. Dog was anticipating that the T, S would chAllenge the resignations. So yes, as we told under banisters.

for A, B, B being caught on C, C, T, V delivering letters, that was a new information that the police came across when they visited the school. That was in the on our report, they had an information. So what .

knew at the school we a hours .

passing the sweet banister, what did the police uncovered? That was new. What facts changed the understanding of this situation and of was on a dar, he talked about the alleged resignation letter of the White non muslim teaching assistant, Hillary OS, which turned up on a separate day from the others and in separate circumstances that would not sound out of place in a game of clue.

SHE was the last person in the the cloakroom prior to the letter being discovered in in the pigeon hole.

But that thing gets anywhere either. We could not understand what made the police switch to seeing this one ads of victim instead .

of a potential corporate porto .

is want to die personally.

Yeah, I have spoken, found is to be open, forthcoming and credible.

So what telling .

you basically that SHE was trying to push the school in one way, staff retirement, and that that is subsequently come to this recognition letters. This was all motivated to get her out of the school.

We were interested. Know what is? He told you something else that wasn't in the order.

Now I think what he was able to do is probably put the greatest explanation and and put you put IT into contextualize IT.

detective minister kept saying, the difference was this, that even if the auditors had the same information, they hadn't talked anyone at the school. Where is the police had? But what did they learn in doing that? That was different. What evidence came from that or what testimony came from doing that? That changed the position completely?

What if my stands to that is is not evidence its interpretation.

Okay, so so that we're understanding that correctly. It's not something .

we're missing .

here if .

what entrer minister was saying was right, and all that had changed between the council auditors conclusion that was vana dar was possibly the perpetrator of a fraud, and the cops conclusion that he was the victim of a fraud was a matter of interpretation and not any additional facts. Then they made us wonder if the only new piece of evidence, and i'm using the term loosely, the only new evidence that the cops had, which the auditors did not, was the trojan horse sleep. The rogan horse sleep had turned up in this window after the council issued its out a report, but before the police headed into atterly and IT certainly brought new context to the situation at the school IT certainly offered an intriguing new interpretation of what might have been happening there except detective ministers had already made a point of telling us right when we set down with them that this case was not about the trojan horse sleep. In the first few minutes of our interview, he emphasize that at no stage where the westminster police investigating that document .

absolutely not IT wasn't an investigation into the torsion holes letter.

which makes sense because we know the police determined early on that the letter was bogus and the plot described wasn't real. But here's where things get weird homes. And I had found police records, which showed the trojan horse letter was a part of their investigation into atterly.

We got this one report that was written by detective vanished, and he says in IT that one reason the police decided was won a dark and now be treated as a potential victim in the case was because detectives have considered, quote, the information outline in a section of the trojan horse sleep. We showed that report to banister. So the trojan horse letter was take into account was used as evidence basically your saying that the trojan horse letter was used as evidence in design and refocusing the investigation and treating dars of victim.

but that's what this seems to be saying to me yeah you have whether each .

be a hard time explaining .

this one with the fact the letters, the fake, the trojans letters ever wrote, the the trojan les letter, the facts within the trojan nose letter there, assume that you would look at and go with that exactly mirrors. What what what what is taking place was I cognizant that these circumstances feet with the letter yeah .

but .

enough that .

not but even more specifically, you you treated what the letters saying about utterly as IT is relatively legitimate because you're pointing to IT as a reason. Why was not a dark now be treated as a victim? So you're easily buying what this letter that you think could be fake um is saying about elderly.

Yeah.

within days are visiting, analyze and talk to respond AR the policy theory of the resignation case inverted so completely that they secured a new round of warrants this time they were after forty years.

No, you arrested this morning on suspicion of conspiracy to commit fraud by boss representation. Okay.

that right now understand .

OK wonderful.

They conducted dawned raids at their homes and convicted the women's computers and electronics. They arrested them all for conspiracy to commit fraud and took them down the station for interviews. This is a recording of the police interrogating heroes, the White so called english woman, as he referred to in the torture.

A horsedung got .

this recording only after we spoke to detective minister. And if there is any doubt that the torture horses guided the police. This puts the my tip. When brian now first listen to me, we're kind of repeated. The cop pulls out a copy of the torchon horses' and starts questioning, really want about IT.

This is a letter you may or may not be aware .

of the trade of.

You said I was going to ask if you are aware, but clear you are. But I imagine you write lots about that in press and what have you? I'm not going to go through all of this because there is quite land if you had a chance to read all.

okay. There's there anything in at the jumps? So at you.

well, I need to think about the english woman. It's just really been putting about me.

We think that about you.

good.

So but that you're referring to is read this over the time english, the corporate, the part of .

the world of first, a bit about the english woman's role in the plot has SHE dropped off her own fake resignation data and how if the whole scheme goes south and the days get found out, the english women will take the heat for the estimates.

When you read that.

what did you think I was horrified? That's not me.

okay.

And suggest that he is he rios has .

to friend of questions from the club about whether she's an islamist plotter without .

any sort of campaign to remove mrs. Dark from the school.

Never, never can.

Can anyone ever spoken to you about changing the the staff in the school?

Something to do with us where T. S. We've got no power whatsoever.

And anyone ever floated the idea, not necessarily asked for help. They said, this is what i'm going to do.

never. This point is so ridiculous.

IT goes on to say that mr. Siza, pizza baby.

the sister of two.

the teaching assistance.

whose captured on C, C, T, V, delivering on the lopes to add and was a governor at the school. She's also mentioned in the trojan horse seller as an Operative in the plot against mr. dar. The cop keeps reading the letter. Sister arizona has also been key.

keeping us informed as to what the governing body on the head are discussing. And as a result, we have been able to execute this perfectly. We will soon be moved into another school as a governor, and over time, we will instigate same process there. What process was going on at the school?

Have there would do? No, no, no clue .

where you aware of any. Underlying currents within the school.

No, not completely out of the blue of mine.

Can you think of any reason why someone would put in a resignation later on eur behalf?

Have no clue. If I knew that, I would tell you I have no idea somebody would do something that evil.

And has anyone said this is joke?

No, a joke. It's not a very funny joke to resign me from the only jump of god. To be through financial trip is not a no.

I feel, say that sorry.

but is this is just too much and to think that I would do IT myself just to and see the ad he sleep to grass.

Did anyone want you all of this school?

The only person I can imagine is the person who heard two grievances against her. But I don't I have no proof that IT was he who did IT.

But you believe .

that it's I don't know. I honestly can't say that. I don't know that that's the only only thing I can imagine is the fact i've got two unresolved prevent ces against mrs.

And then suddenly I resigned. Why would I do that? Why would I go to the bother of writing to the grievances and then resign?

And that's why we're here today. We're trying to find out what's happened.

I do not get rested. It's pretty killers. Sorry, no OK just too much.

Imagine it's a lot pressure, yes.

And on in the paper saying these awful people is islamic plot, this jihad is nonsense. I was just A T, A doing my job.

The rests came to nothing. According to detective vane's, the police found no trace of the resignation letters or the trolley for that on any of the T, A, or resign BBS electronics. They found no conclusive evidence at all, nothing that prove the T, A, is guilt.

Long after arrests, the cops eventually dropped the case. But in the meantime, the police, having changed they are take on the adele's dispute and arresting the ties that was the bone city council to question its order report. A Peter hey confirmed, was he in his colleagues at the council started doubting fair assessment that mr.

dr. Was maybe a Foster on top of all of them. Alley primary school was now formally threatening to sue the council over the way he had handled the resignation case.

We lentil de this by holding a light behind a poorly reduction council document in responsible thread. Peter hey and his council colleagues started a meeting with mr. Dar and other elderly leaders.

And after months of back and fourth, that ultimately promised to renounce their order reports and addling promise to drop its legal threat against them, Peter hay composed his were so sorry retraction letter in the council as part of his whole agreement restored legal supporter addling defending with one of our school in the employment case brought by the forty years. I don't know if any cup or council official paused to consider was happening that they will let a fake letter influence state decisions, but evidently mr. dr.

Was quite convincing. Once he had the torture horse at at her disposal in early two and fourteen, he wrote to her union, the N A H T, the national social of head teachers, complaining that they had a been supportive of her in the resignation dispute and placing them quote on notice of Operation children horse SHE wrote. IT is clear to me that i've been the target of a prolonged, organized and systematic attack designed to discredit, IT me and make my position as head of badly untenable a union break quickly set a meeting with her and offer her to help out.

And then there was unemployment tribe know where the T. S. Had bought there and fair dismissal case against udi school. Once the georgian horse that emerge, mr.

Dar, draft a witness statement for the tribunal that focused entirely on the letter, which he went through the torture, a horse plot, step by step to explain how sh'd been one of his targets. The tears in turn tried to enter the council's ord report as evidence to support their claim that mr. Dar was the one plotting to ask them, but the council's lawyers fought the T.

A. S. Petition and they were successful. The judges in the tribe unit case, when they knew an order report existed, never got to see.

George 和 the judge defined, saw that the council submitted the letter as a primary piece evidence in their defensive adaly, and that defense was that rizvon nada had been the victim of an islamic plot Carried out by the four teaching assistance. As described in the letter, the council argued in one of the judge that the trojan horse that a was true, literally true. IT worked in a final extravagant act, one with big consequences for everybody involved.

Lawyers defending visiter on the school use the trojan a horse data to way the George in their favor. The judge rohand peroni and his follow panel members ruled that the three most m ty s were involved in deception to remove missing from the school that did each intended to make a belief that are quit by arranging to have resignation. Let us submitted with their four signature on them, and then pretending to know nothing about him.

In other words, judge pony adopted the trojan horse vision of events add well, mostly when he came to the court on court english face hilario's, the judging panel ruled that he had been wrongly dismissed from a job SHE hadn't been part of deception and ord the school to pay her damages. Here's how that racial speed decision came to be. The council resonator did not present any direct evidence that the test had concocted the resignations, but the council's lawyers use the trojan horse, ta to undermine the muslim T.

S. Credibility to turn the case from a straight ford unfair dismissal claim into a fight about religion, specifically sillier ism, the ultra conservative interpretation of islam. Just to explain how silliman ism became relevant to this case, remember the torture horse that are prompted to be planned for a salary plot.

He was explicit about that distinction from reading the case files along with comprehensive notice, taking about one of the T. S. Lawyers that's not transcript, and talking to people who are there. We know that is what the case turned on.

Whether the days were surfing, council law is pressed, the teaching assistance on this and hearing, were they safes in real ins, offered the tribunal a statement from her rebrand tw pokin ton voguing for her regular attendance at church, but IT go so easy for the muslim ties in one the most private exchanges. The hearing one of the ts rainham was asked to explain the difference between the sale and a sina muslim, and he said he didn't know danel zis a solicit who represented Hillary al was there when IT happened. He told us that in response.

when we see council's lawyers question doesn't help here, the other two muslim .

teen gives similarly verie answer, understand, psychic said his sense was that the woman kind of panic probably figured if they acknowledged any link to sell of islam, they were going to lose. Not only with of is in a third rail. In this case, it's going to become a third rail generally, because some terrorists have come from a satisfactory ground.

Also, that question was the difference between salvi and a SONY. It's a tRicky one to answer because salih's, or soon they're just more original alist in the interpretation. For what is worth, psychic said he found everything elda said throughout the case about what happened about not resigning. Consistent, incredible. But that one side, if you think how damaging .

was that answer I developed.

could you feel that .

in that room you feel? Yeah, you can tell from the judges reaction is just a home day.

As just pianee rose decision, we find the first three claimants wholly incredible on this issue. So that's how we happened because of a self opium stumble and a few other reasons, including the fact that the T A sister for zona bb did not testify. The judges on the panel found that the mum T.

S had schemed against the head teacher and rail wounds on the the hand. They found that her resignation letter had also been forced, just not by her. As for who was responsible for that forgery, the judge never explained.

This feels increasingly likely, that is the trojan horse letter, in which case fit is you.

This whole situation was so exasperating, IT was hard to finish our sentences. The birmingham council, these are the same people who talk about the trojan horse.

Sleep this way is probably a hok is probably a fake. I'm not claimed in the latter is true. There's never been an .

the way IT was presented. Some of the inaccuracies in IT and just the sheer convenience of that leads me to believe that IT .

was a fake yet their own lawyers argued in front of a judge successfully that the letter was proof of a real plot. They embrace a fake letter while rejecting their own fact based audit report. Hamza, I started with what we thought was such a basic question.

What evidence did they have that we didn't? And now we felt as if we had wandered fully through the looking glass into a land where mr. Dar had somehow got the trojan horse letter to be treated as real and not the double speaker is fake, but could still be pointing at actual issues. Real, really real. There's no other evidence here.

or we can say that as a fact. As a few other .

evidence here.

nothing new came to lie.

After the break, we eat our words.

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One day, brian, now around the phone, we're going to the order report together for the emptying time. Any know is something that would never .

clock before in the audit. When you read the auditor summary, SHE mentions nothing about the school claiming that there were witnesses who saw misses are open the envelope, pes and resignation letters come out. That is not me on the report his.

her brain was talking about. Remember the sequence of events detective Andrew bunster laid out for us. The sister of the ties for zona bb was recorded on cc T.

V. Walking into adele with the stack of bomb globes. SHE handed them to receptionist, who plays them was one of dogs, male tray. And then deductive mansor .

told us those envelops were collected by arizona, what's going immediately into a staff meeting, and that the old envelops were opened. They were opened in the presence of the the senior leadership team of the school.

Detective vanished, had said the mr. Star opened those employees in front of the school's leadership team, specifically two deputy head teachers and more quarters. And I need a ashraf mark quarters and a illaha f told police they had been in the office with mrs. Door when he opened the envelope. Pes left for zona baby and had personally seen this pull resignation, that is, from inside them.

This detail is also important element of at least defense at the employment tribe, you know, because of course, two eyewitnesses without them, the school could only prove that envelopes have been delivered, which again, the most t ys didn't dispute, is only by having eyewitnesses that the school could back up. Missed stars account that when he opened to sealed on phloxes, SHE had found resignations. Marketing in his presence at the overlook opening was foundational to the case unquestioned by either side. The judge took IT as a given, and so hard we until this very moment when brian realized IT was not mentioned in the order report.

which means that either the auditor like left IT out aggregation sly, or wasn't in the document he was reviewing where the school was laying out defense.

I had laid out extension of what happened the day the letter came in in illegal filing with employment tribunal, the schools formal defense I submitted in this early on, long before the troon horses', before the police investigated. So brian dug up that record and the deputy is witnessing the envelope opening. IT wasn't in there either.

There is no mention in the schools defense that there were witnesses inside the room when resignation letters came out of the apology.

Well, that or something, the school had made sure to mention the point of C, C, T, V. Footage, but no witnesses to the developed open.

why? Why would enough part of their official offense that they are submitting to the tribute? Why would they leave that out? I kept slipping through a binders of paperwork through the earliest records we have from back when the resignation letters were first refuted in late twenty twelve and early twenty thirteen.

And I saw one nothing about the deputy head teachers having watch this star open the envelopes, then hums. And I looked back one more time at records from the police investigation into utterly, which have happened much later. We reread that report that was written by detective ander banisters, in which he talks about what the cops learned on the visit to atterly.

And there IT was the senior leadership team had witnessed envelops been opened. He listed that as like a new fact, yes.

but that was been confusing us because we like, why is that new information? Why that new information? But maybe IT was .

new information.

Maybe he was the black to one of the first times the school was saying this. We call detective banister the visit to the school was that the first time that the police learned that the deputies had been in the room when mr. Star opened the envelope. Pes.

I can't state cathedral. Ally, I believe that's the case because .

that would explain why you guys would change your view.

Was trying to say .

before we had not on the message we also called heroes is solicitor in the tribunal case, Daniel acas. When did this become their defense? The fact that there were in ctv.

Daniel aq told us, and this is corbo ated by record from the employment tribunal, that the first time atterly mentioned that the deputies had been in the room with mrs. Dar as he opened the envelopes and pulled out resignations was in november twenty thirteen, which means the deputies respond to dar. The school. No one, to our knowledge, told outside authorities about this for nearly a year, not when burring m. City council cut off legal support to atterly, not when the council mounts in an audit investigation and ask repeatedly for uterine to provide evidence and testimony, not when the school had to file a formal of the fence when the tears were taking elderly to the tribunal through all that, they never mentioned these crucial I witnesses, did you that strike you guys? And if so, what I did IT.

yeah.

so why would hold that for so long? 哦, yes. Yeah.

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November to twenty thirteen, that immediately struck brian name as an interesting time for these two eyewitnesses to have emerged, because as the same month that the trojan horse ta emerged about twenty thirteen is when the trojan horse ta arrived a bm city council. And that wasn't the only evidence to suddenly appear postering idlest case.

A few months later, Adelaide's lawyers were alleged to the parties in employment tribunal saying there was another document they wanted to introduce in the hearing. At this point, lawyers for the school had already submitted loads of evidence and records, but they were determined to get in this late submission. IT was, they said, an investigative report that the deputies mug waters and a new ashraf i'd put together in the days right after the supposed resignations and in in the deputies note that the two of them saw mr.

r. Opening the envelopes. This investigative report by the game consists primarily of mark quarters and any nature fact check in each other by asking each other what each other saw. It's the only record we've seen the proposed to be contemporaneous evidence from the seven two thousand twelve of milk quarters and any nature of witnessing the envelope opening. Yes, as at least lawyers explained the tribunal, for some known reason, the school had forgone to enter this document alongside the rings of submissions that already filed. The judge lowed him, and by the time he's here in the case, these witnesses seem like an early established fact, one that the judge relied on in making this decision.

Can we apologize for something? After we piece together this timely, we met up again with former council officer Peter hey, author of the hay letter in which he wrote about how royally the council had botched their order report. We told her, hey, we were sorry.

We hadn't realized before we press them on this question for a couple hours that there was essential information missing from the audit report. The deputy had teachers mark walters and aneela asha had been in the office with mr. Dar as he opened the muslim ta envelopes.

This is the one we were mistaken about, that everyone was present. Yeah, do you remember? Is that ring a bell? And Peter, hey, remember IT immediately that IT was one of the main things atterly brought up as they were threatened to take the council to court.

The school was saying, the report is so mess up because you could not talk to us. And so we were able to tell you that there were two witnesses in the room. Yeah, they were making a big point of that room.

I specifically remember the gentlemen who went to australia worked.

Thank you.

That stands out in my head being clear about not having been interviewed, having things to say. That part of their reason for one thing to meet us was to say, come on to me, you hadn't heard the whole story.

The two witnesses to the envelope opening, mark walters and animal assha, we'd heard about them in our reporting. They both work with mr. Dar at a previous primary school. And when SHE got the head teacher job at elderly, they follow her. there.

People who knew these deputy head teachers had a lot to say about mark walters especially. They told us that here, mr. Dar were very close, like attached the hip close.

That was incredibly talented teachers, but that mr. Door was a leader among quarters, much more of a follower. We put a number of vania dots from different people about how devoted in acolyte k was to miss his door.

People also told us that mark quarters had done something surprising, which obviously stuck with me. Hey, after he submitted a witness statement to the tribunal saying he'd seen mister dar open the envelopes, he had broadly left his job at addling in the middle of school year and moved far away to perth, australia. He didn't end up testifying at the hearing. As bryan put, IT rather extended when he .

first had this epiphany about the deputies IT .

grees a question day in the room.

figuring this out, the late timing of these witnesses coming forward, IT helped explain so much throughout our investigation. There had been these flooding moments when we would get a peak into what officials were really saying about rWanda. Darn atterly behind the scenes. Take this with detective and banister, who, in the middle of our interview, without us even asking.

said with suggestions, and you may well be party to this. That was warned a dories.

the author of the trojan.

Where did you pick that up? IT was IT was one one of the hypotheses that was banded around at at the time.

the council.

who I think everybody include in the media, I think I said this is is something i'd probably consider .

IT was a relief to hear, vanish, say something so logical. But when we ask detective banisters, okay, so what did you all do to look into the hypothesis? Or told us not much of anything.

He said, as far as he remembered, the cops did not search as vana dara computers or any computers at atterly at all. Instead, we know they went, arrested the teaching assistance, searched their electronics for the trigger horse letter and use the letter to interrogate the ties. For years, we've been staring at these contractions of logic by officials and couldn't understand them.

Now they make more sense. Officials clearly were suspicious of mrs. dar.

Some of them entertained the thought that he could have written the trojan horse sleep. But here's our best analysis of why everybody dropped IT. When the eyewitnesses spoke up vouching for mrs. Dar, saying SHE did receive resignation letters, suddenly the authorities got rattled. They thought they had made something huge testimony that transform the whole understanding of the resignation dispute.

And that perceived blender, along with mounting national concern about possible extremism in their city schools, seem to inspire in burma officials overall loss of confidence about the assessments of the trigger horse letter. Maybe that letter they thought was bogus, wasn't so bogus after all. Maybe I had some other truths in IT that they'd overlooked.

So this seemingly tiny question we're mark in aneela really in the room, its fundamental because their statements propped up the resignation letters, which propped up the trojan horse letter, which propped up the national panic. These two deputies, their account underpin the church en horse affair. Maybe this was the thing you had to go after to dismantle the social fact of Operation children horse.

When we approached the nila assha about this, he came to her front door, looked at as cool, said, no comment, and shut the door then to get up. Burma city council, the center? Or is a threatning letter claiming that hums that i've returned to her house a number of times to harassing and your family members, which is absolutely untrue?

When we showed an elderly primary school in hopes of talking with was on a dar about all this, the front office staff insisted he was off sight. We said we were happy to wait, which we did until school got out. At which point mr.

dr. Had a staff member came out to the school yard to tell us, actually, SHE wasn't the building, but he would not be seeing us. And then there was the gentlemen who went to australia.

Now former deputy had a atterly primary school, mark walters, I tried to reach on at the new school he worked at in a suburb of perth. But he was ignoring my calls, ignoring my emails. And maybe we would left at that if we hadn't met a south african dentist who had a good relationship with mark walters before the treason horse affair came between them.

And he urged us don't give up on mark, that mark might, with some effort, give us some answers. And the dentist had his own reasons for wanting to see mark. And so in the final installation of the trojan horse affair, we all three, a doctor, a dentist, onie, set off for one of the most remote cities in the world to chase a remote confession.

You came all the way from the U. K. To meet this man commit.

That's next in an appointment in perth.

The torsion horse is produce by brian read and me, along with the roby, collects the shows edited by searching additional editing by hour glass and by contributing editor I my iza sidi king back check in a research by miracle I, and been fAiling over school by Thomas with additional music by my maggi and Stephen Jackson. Some design mixing in music supervision by Stephen Jackson and fill them a hoskin at on visual company are dmanisi supervising producers and day tube u executives assistant is a boto delay on some donate is an assistant managing editor of the new york times .

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