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OKC’s Revenge, NBA Cup Nitpicks, and NFL Season Fun Grades with David Jacoby, Kirk Goldsberry, Kyle Brandt, and Craig Horlbeck

2024/12/11
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Bill Simmons: 本期节目讨论了NBA杯赛首轮比赛,特别是俄克拉荷马城雷霆队对阵达拉斯独行侠队的比赛。雷霆队以其强大的防守能力和谢伊·吉尔杰斯-亚历山大的出色表现,取得了胜利。讨论了雷霆队是否是西部联盟的夺冠热门,以及其他球队(如休斯顿火箭队、孟菲斯灰熊队和达拉斯独行侠队)的竞争力。还探讨了NBA新的劳资协议对交易规则的限制,以及对交易市场的影响。 David Jacoby: 俄克拉荷马城雷霆队的防守能力极强,其他球队难以与其抗衡。卢卡·东契奇的比赛风格过于依赖个人能力,缺乏积极的无球跑动。 Kirk Goldsberry: 俄克拉荷马城雷霆队是西部联盟的夺冠热门。休斯顿火箭队是西部联盟中唯一一支能够与俄克拉荷马城雷霆队在速度和运动能力上匹敌的球队。除了休斯顿火箭队外,西部联盟其他球队难以与俄克拉荷马城雷霆队抗衡。休斯顿火箭队在NBA杯中的表现将决定其是否是昙花一现。谢伊·吉尔杰斯-亚历山大是西部联盟最优秀的球员之一,他的双向能力是俄克拉荷马城雷霆队取胜的关键。谢伊·吉尔杰斯-亚历山大是俄克拉荷马城雷霆队成功的关键,他的关键时刻得分能力是其他球队所不具备的。很难找到能够有效防守谢伊·吉尔杰斯-亚历山大的球员。新的劳资协议限制了交易市场,使得球队间的交易变得更加困难。

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Why is OKC the team to beat in the West?

Their defense is on a different level, creating frustration and turnovers. They're athletic, fast, and have a true go-to weapon in SGA, a leading MVP candidate.

Why is Bill Simmons flummoxed by the new NBA CBA trade rules?

The rules are too complex and restrictive, making it difficult to even construct hypothetical trades, limiting player movement, and impacting trade deadline activity.

Is the NBA Cup working?

While it provides meaningful games in December and potential catapult moments for up-and-coming teams, some contenders prefer rest to extra games, raising questions about its overall effectiveness. It's suggested the Cup could be improved by using divisions for groupings and adding incentives like Elam endings or rule experimentation.

Are the Milwaukee Bucks legitimate contenders?

They've improved significantly after a rough start, with Giannis putting up MVP-caliber numbers and the supporting cast providing efficient three-point shooting. However, defensive concerns and questions about the Giannis-Lillard fit remain.

Why is Orlando a dangerous team despite injuries and poor three-point shooting?

Even without key players, their defense is formidable, making them a tough playoff matchup. They've shown resilience and unexpected contributions from players like Suggs, while the development of players like Anthony Black adds to their long-term potential.

What's going on with Joel Embiid?

Chronic swelling, lack of communication about availability, and tardiness raise concerns about his professionalism and long-term health, casting a shadow over the Sixers' prospects.

Who are some of the most impressive rookies?

Ausar Thompson (Detroit) is praised for his two-way play and potential, while Victor Wembanyama (San Antonio) shows defensive prowess and an edge. Bilal Coulibaly (Washington) also receives positive mention.

Which team is the most disappointing this season?

While the Pacers and Timberwolves have underperformed, the Phoenix Suns are a major disappointment given their all-in trade for an aging, injury-prone Kevin Durant and a poorly constructed roster.

Why is Josh Allen playing so well?

He's in a great place mentally and emotionally, with a strong supporting cast, a good run game, and a solid offensive line. His confidence and happiness are translating to on-field success.

Are the Kansas City Chiefs in trouble despite their record?

Their offense has been inconsistent, relying on one good drive per game, and their overreliance on Travis Kelce is a concern. Despite their success in close games, they might be vulnerable in the playoffs.

Why aren't the Pittsburgh Steelers getting more credit?

Despite their strong record and improved offense under Kenny Pickett, they often get overlooked. Their defense, coaching, and reliable kicker make them a legitimate contender.

Are the Philadelphia Eagles as good as their record suggests?

Despite winning nine straight, there are concerns about Jalen Hurts' consistency and the team's overreliance on the run game. Some players and fans seem disgruntled, raising questions about team chemistry and playoff potential.

Why are the Minnesota Vikings a risky bet despite their success with Sam Darnold?

Many doubt Darnold's long-term viability as a franchise quarterback, attributing their success to their talented supporting cast and coaching system. There's a belief that Darnold's performance is unsustainable and that the Vikings are likely to regress.

How has Russell Wilson performed in Pittsburgh?

He's been surprisingly good, consistently making big plays and showing renewed confidence. However, questions remain about his long-term viability and whether he can lead the Steelers to playoff success.

Which New York team is more disappointing, the Giants or the Jets?

While the Giants have consistently underperformed and fans are resigned to their struggles, the Jets are a bigger disappointment due to preseason hype and the failed Aaron Rodgers experiment. Their season is considered a complete disaster.

How would you grade the NFL season so far?

Despite some disappointments like the Jets and Bears, the season has been exciting and full of compelling storylines, with several strong teams, impressive quarterback play, and memorable games. Grades range from A- to B+.

Shownotes Transcript

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by David Jacoby and Kirk Goldsberry to discuss the first night of the NBA Cup quarterfinals, starting with the Thunder’s dominant win over the Mavs as they debate whether the Thunder are now the outright team to beat in the West (02:25). With trade season looming, Bill shares why he’s not a fan of the league's new CBA rules that restrict trades, before debating with Jacoby and Kirk whether the NBA Cup is actually working (17:18). They then go through the Bucks overcoming the stingy Magic and why, despite the loss, the Magic’s future is very bright (33:10). Lastly, they discuss what is going on with Joel Embiid, share their favorite rookies and most disappointing teams of the season so far (52:34). Bill is then joined by Kyle Brandt and Craig Horlbeck to discuss Patrick Mahomes vs. Josh Allen, what to make of the Eagles, the Steelers' playoff potential with Russell Wilson, and more from around the NFL (01:11:19).

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Host: Bill Simmons

Guests: David Jacoby, Kirk Goldsberry, Kyle Brandt, and Craig Horlbeck

Producer: Kyle Crichton, Steve Ceruti, and Jessie Lopez

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