Saquon’s Big Night, a Vegas Savior Idea, Wobbly Washington, Surging Seattle, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal
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All right. It is Sunday. It is 835 p.m. Pacific time. Just watched the Eagles absolutely kill the Rams. Sal, I did something unusual today. I wasn't going to bet on this game. And then I watched how bad the Patriots were against the Dolphins. And I said to myself, Jesus, they should have beaten the Rams last week. That might mean the Rams are bad. And I bet on the Eagles. Yeah.

Yeah, that rarely works. So congratulations, right? When we start playing mind games and double guessing and triple guessing things. But God, they really did look good. I hate that this is, I hate the Giants that much more. Not that Saquon would have been good with them. He would have been ineffective and whatever. They don't have an offensive line or a quarterback that could help. But to let him go to the Eagles and now, I don't know, man. They're going to be top two in the NFC, almost no doubt now.

Well, it seems like things have tilted too far with the running back position where the contracts went down. Everyone talked about how replaceable they were. And then it hit the point last summer or last spring when Derrick Henry and Saquon were both available. They were on bad teams. Their stock was down because of the quarterbacks, the coaching. They're just wasted on the teams that are on bad offensive lines.

And then you grab those guys and put them on a different team and they look superhuman. And I wonder if going forward now, we'll just know

like in fantasy and futures and all this stuff. It's like, oh yeah, Derek Henry was on a bad team last year. He should be on a really, he should be in a really good situation this year. I don't know why this was so hard to figure out. So Josh Jacobs also, right. To a lesser extent, not in the top two with those guys, but yeah, I know, I know, I know. And you need a good running back to, to go far in January. I was wrong about all of it, but

You know, Bill, I don't know what to tell you. Melissa Stark's talking about being the recipient of the tush portion. I just, I can't comment. I like this job, Mike. Come on. Thank God we're on a seven-second delay. Thank God. Best running back rankings. Are Saquon and Henry one and two? Yeah.

I think if you're doing tandems or running back core, Detroit is probably also in the conversation, right? So Taequann and Henry, it's the Gibbs Montgomery combo. And then I don't even think we can make them out Rushmore. I think those have been the...

kind of the best running back slash whatever. And then every, then it's like a drop off to whoever you'd want to have next. Miami might have a chance to get there. Cause it feels like those guys are getting going now, but I think that's, it's the top three at least. I want to put Ezekiel Elliott in there, but I just, I just can't, I can't do it. Um, let's see who else, who else would have been, well, McCaffrey, you want to put McCaffrey, but he's just now, now he's stuck on the bad team. I don't know how that happened.

Well, and he doesn't look good is the other issue, right? Yeah. Do you think he looks good? No, no, no. I would never say that about another man. But no, I don't know. I don't know. That team is just falling apart. And they were so, so deep. And you would think they were bulletproof for this kind of meltdown. But not the case. No way in hell they're making the playoffs now. Well, Henry and Barkley are 1-2 in rushing.

Josh Jacobs is third and, and Chuba Hubbard is fourth. Right. So good luck on your fantasy teams, everybody. Yeah. I think Philly, Philly plays Baltimore next week. So in terms of this offensive player of the year award, like I think it's going to be one next week, even though, even though, you know, I think Barkley is a sizable favorite at this point. And he's,

sneaking into the MVP conversation, he won't win. Right. Because running backs aren't allowed to win and we'll talk ourselves out of that in two weeks. So we can start with Eagles, Lions, how this is a pretty amazing NFC. Or we could just do the gambling angle of how Washington...

absolutely murdered a slew of three team teases, money line parlays, just, Oh, I'll throw Washington in. Literally nobody on Dallas is playing backup QB. They're missing five of their best seven guys. They need the win. I'll just put them in there. And we haven't had one of those in a while, Sal, where it was just a mass murder of

John Wayne Gacy style going into the basement, just getting decapitated, just brutal. And then what made it even worse was you're like, oh, I can't believe I lost that game. And then somehow Washington comes back with this insane McLaurin play that happens once a year and they make it. And that fucking kicker is lining up.

And I'm like, I should be more nervous right now. And then I'm like, I am nervous. And then of course, terrible snap. You knew once you saw the snap, he was going to hook it. Not only did he hook it, he missed it by, I would say 10 yards. Awful. And they end up losing the tees anyway. Probably the other than the Hail Mary, maybe the second biggest gambling moment of the year.

Yeah, I would think so. I would say so. Yeah. But you know, this one was a sloppy, sloppy slop fest from the start. Right. Like, and you know, also, I don't know what's going on with the kickers. Were we just too spoiled in the first few weeks when everybody was making like 59 and 61 yarders? And now like, it doesn't even seem like it's raining, but everybody's kicks are getting blocked or sailing far right on extra points. But yeah, it's like-

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And people are like, well, you know, they put more loft on it. If it's closer, these coaches have to get closer. I'm like, I don't think so. I don't know. I just don't know if anyone's blocking in practice, but...

Yeah. And I was I really wanted to be mad at my team. Like, what is that McLaurin bullshit? Like, are you kidding me? We can't lay a finger on him. And then when they missed the extra point, I'm like, can't you just let me be mad at my team? Right. Can you call a timeout before the P.A.T. so I could be mad for three minutes? Exactly. But the commies did a communist thing by not letting America cash on their three team teaser. You're right.

I think Washington, so we, I remember betting on Washington for the division at the height of the, wow, it looks like Washington's going to actually be really good time in this season. And if you, if you go with the, if the Hail Mary doesn't happen, there are 500 teams and they are way worse. So 12 games now they're way worse than the second six than they were in the first six.

Questions about whether they're even a playoff team at this point. I don't think they get to 10. Yeah, I don't know. Listen, it was a suspicious line. There's no question. The line was too high. It was priced for maniacs like us to make us think twice before we did a three-teamer with them.

But there was just no way I was going to be nervous with Dallas. I texted you after the game. The weird thing about this game was Dallas played well. Right. Like you moved the ball. You ran the ball. Cooper Rush was pretty good. Like he was throwing completions. I was nervous in the second quarter. I didn't like how it was going. The defense was really active. Washington couldn't run the ball at all. And you played well enough that I actually had to

You know, I had to redo the play. I had them as a cross off. I don't know if I'll cross them off at this point. Garbage. Are you talking? What are you talking about? Yeah, I can see you smile. That's a nice little smirk. No, it's not Michael Corleone in Godfather 3. It's Silvio as Michael Corleone. Just when I was out, they pulled me back in. No, they're across the hell off there. I don't. This is. They got up for this game. Not that. You're not. I can see.

You're nuts. You're absolutely nuts. Four and seven. You're playing the Giants next week on Christmas. You're going to be five and seven. You beat Cincy at home, and then you're at Carolina. You can be seven and seven in three weeks. I was hoping, as a friend, you'd have more decency. I looked at it a month ago. I know what's up against it. We have too many home games, first of all. We're going to get crushed. But I think we got up for this. And by the way, there's no way...

you know, I, I didn't predict this ahead of time. I was with the rest of the world, but we got up, wanted to show off for Dan Quinn. And, uh, just the same, we still needed two returns for touchdowns where our guy went untouched to, uh,

to pull it off. So, I don't know. I'm not buying this at all. You needed more than that. The guy missed two PATs. Yeah, right. He missed two field goals. They got a punt blocked. We missed two goals. And they gave up two kickoff touchdowns in the last five minutes of the game, which has to be a record. And one of the kickoffs was like mishandled at the one and they still didn't get a finger on Turpin, who's very fast, but...

Look, this is maybe it's this. Maybe we have to look at these division games like we did in college when we're like, no, no, division game. Take the underdog. I think every division game, except for yours, ended up one score today. That's not to say all the underdogs covered, but it was at least one. Right. Competitive game. So I think that was four or five out of six. So.

So Tennessee seven and five, I mean, Washington seven and five, they have Tennessee next week by week at new Orleans, home Philly, home Atlanta at Dallas. There's a nine and eight in there. And you guys, you, you would have at Philly in week 17, which seems like a, like a terrible game, but they might have everything locked up and they might have the two seed locked up by then. And that game might not even matter for them, but you play Washington week 18. Yeah.

And there's a scenario where you're a game back from Washington week 18. All the NFC West teams have just all beaten each other. They're all 9-8. There's some 9-8 clusterfuck that you could sneak in. I know you're thinking this deep down. I know you are. There's a scenario where I reach through the Zoom and strangle you right now. Because how do you... Packers in, right? Packers 8, right? The Vikings have 9. They're in.

And then you don't think like, I'll give it to you. I'll give you, I'll give you six playoff teams right now. Lions, Philly, Seattle, and Atlanta. Let's say those are four division winners. Minnesota's in and Green Bay's in. So there's six. Okay. Washington seven and five, Arizona six and five. You're two behind them. The Rams are five and six. You're a game back from them. Niners are five and six and Tampa's five and six.

98 could get this seventh seed. You can't rule it out. You can't. When could Dak come back?

I'm ruling it out. He can come back as far as I'm concerned when he could come back or when he can't come back. He could be back. He could be back by the end of the year. I don't think so. Why are we talking about this? I love this. I really hate this. I hate that you wrote me in here. I love it because I like torturing you. You're going to be five and seven after Thanksgiving. We bet Tampa Bay. You play the Giants. Atlanta's going to win some dumb shit-ass games, so they're going to get to nine wins, right? And I don't know.

Seattle and Arizona, someone stupid will get that seven seed. Don't worry. But I will say, if your point is the NFC is not scary at all, except for the two teams and we can lock the Lions and Eagles in for the championship game, I'm all ears. I would take odds on that right now. I don't like any other team. Atlanta is going to win their division because they still have

Vegas and the Giants and Carolina left. I thought we bet the... Did you not bet Tampa? We said we were going to bet Tampa. You didn't bet... I don't know if we ever did. Tampa's five and six. We did say that. But you play Tampa. You play Tampa in week 16. I'll say this about Washington. Obviously, you have to watch them today. You should be less confident in them. But they are a completely different team that we fell in love with. That punted...

twice in three weeks or something. Like their offense is very, are you going to get two touchdowns out of that offense? You can't guarantee. If you look at their slate, it doesn't matter who they play. You can't guarantee that. First half, Cliff Kingsbury, second half, he does this, right? That's his history. They can't run the ball. All right, be honest. You have to swear in your kid's life.

All your Cowboys text threads you were on today, not one of them was like, hey, what's the path for us to make the playoffs? This wasn't discussed on the text thread. It was, but in a joking way, I think. Like, I even tweeted Super Bowl, and all that. That doesn't count. Cerruti says Dak is officially out for the season. Yeah, I think he's... Yeah, the IR puts him out. What if you sign Daniel Jones tomorrow? Well, I thought it'd be funny just to match him up against Cutlets, but...

I don't know. No, we're not getting to nine wins. We're not doing it. We will not do it. Can't be ruled out, Sal. You're crazy. I wanted to make fun of your team. This should not be. Well, we're going to do that later. Don't worry. I have plenty of spots for that. Do you think the missed PAT by Washington canceled out the Hail Mary? Now we're back to even. It's like a zero sum game.

I guess so, but they've been kind of crappy for a couple weeks now, right? So, I don't know. Momentum-wise, it might kill them further, but they have not been good at all. I'm going to read you three David Chang texts on Succession. Let's hear it. Washington fan David Chang. I quit this team.

Then McLaurin touchdown. I'm back, baby. I'm back. P A T. Fuck this game. Three in a row. Just like the span of a minute. That was a rollercoaster ride of a, of a awful loss. Yeah. Especially cause everyone there is probably like, Oh my God. Hail Mary. A couple of weeks ago. Now this crazy McLaurin play, we're going to win an OT. Here we go.

But Daniels isn't what he was, right? Like, even when he takes off, he looks slower. I don't even know if it's ribs with the original injury, or maybe it's just a long season. It's finally gotten to him. I think they can miss the playoffs because if you look at the five-loss teams, they have five losses. So does Arizona. So is Seattle. You know? And there's one spot... Well...

Ram, Seattle, whatever. There's an NFC title team, but the NFC West title team. But then there's another spot for the wild card. So Washington had this. They were seven and two. Now it's like, holy shit. Atlanta has five losses. Tampa six losses. So I like the way Tampa look today. And Tampa's finally gotten their team back. Evans played today. Cornerbacks are back.

So they can't be ruled out either. I don't like that you didn't bet them with me at five to one. We set it on like when you say you're going to bet something with a friend, that's like worse than then you don't do it. It's like sleeping with his wife. Like, I can't believe you didn't take it. I was going to bet it with you. And then I remembered that we weren't allowed to bet on the NFC South in a positive way. It was only shorting. No, I know. But plus 450, I love Tampa's schedule the rest of the way.

You know what I'm noticing? As always, I'm reading your facial cues. First 10 minutes of the pod. How many bets did you have Washington in? Like all of them? Oh, not all of them. Like 70, but not all of them. How many tied to Friday and Saturday games? Notre Dame, some UFC that I didn't even get to see that was in China. Yeah. I mean, I had it all. I had it all.

And it's always worse when it's your team. It's like, oh, I can't even get weirdly excited for my team because the other team is screaming. You'd make fun of me for that. I know. Welcome to Who's Delivering, presented by Uber Eats, where we break down the NFL players who have delivered so far this season from household names to out-of-nowhere surprises. I think Saquon's the number one guy on this list because it's not just

that he improved their running back situation and just makes that more dangerous when you see all their playmakers now, though Spicer now. But the finishing ability of him, this team that

You always felt like they would start out great and then they would kind of limp to the finish of these games. You never felt 100% on them. And now it just feels like they can extend leads. They're a game behind Detroit. The Lions are like, we've won nine straight. How do we not have a bigger lead than this? So I would say Barkley number one for me. What do you have? I would say, well, this is down the list a little bit. Although in terms of like next year for fantasy, Cortland Sutton. Out of nowhere. Right.

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maybe a top five hookup and like which which first round wide receiver that everybody swung and missed on would you take over courtland sutton at this point not too many all those 30 to 40 dollar dj moore jaylen wattle types the other thing is he's made tough catches like he'll make touchdown catches in the corner with two guys on him getting the feed in yeah he's good they the other

The other one I'd want to mention for this is Jackson Smith Najigba, the Seattle guys, 336 yards in the last three weeks. But it feels like every time they need a first down, anytime it's third and eight, third and 11, third and seven, he's open somewhere, he's making a play, and he's the best receiver on that team now. That was Who's Delivering, presented by Uber Eats, where you can get the best deals on game day food all season long. Uber Eats, the official on-demand delivery partner of the NFL team.

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So speaking of JSN Seahawks 16 Cardinals six, this game killed me. Yeah. I think you had a lot more riding on this one. I could tell by our texts. I like the Cardinals a lot. Um, the game came down to two terrible Kyler Murray plays.

That's really, I mean, Gino threw a pick in the end zone, but you factor that in when you're taking the Seahawks, you know, he's going to have one terrible pass. Right. Kyler had been playing pretty well and pretty responsibly. The game flips in third quarter on this fourth and one where he rolls out.

And then he has the guy. He just has him for a little five-yard flick pass and sails it right over his head. And it's a pick six. And they were on the Seattle side. And it was at least a 10-point swing. That was one. And then the other one, he just missed McBride when they were driving in the fourth quarter where if they had scored, they would have been able to get the ball potentially back with four minutes left. But here's where I landed, Sal. I don't know if I have...

who's your career leader and god damn it why the hell did i bet on that guy guys because i think kyler's number one for me he sucked me in nine different times where he's done this to me and i always forget it's like it's like uh one of your friends who just has terrible taste in women and dates the same type of woman over and over again and you're like why'd you what is it not

Girl like Jenny from before? No, no, she's different. And it's like, ah, you're right. Same thing. Yeah. I just, I can't quit Kyler Murray just getting kicked in the teeth by him. Mine's Phillip Rivers. Well, I mean, Phil Rivers or Matt Ryan. I'm not even sure they're different people actually. Yeah.

I think they might be the same. But it was those two. Currently, there's just so many. I couldn't even name one. But you're right. He was three for 12. If he had a little better of a game, they would have won. Yeah, three for 12 in third downs. And still favored to win that division at plus 155. Still favored. Yeah.

16 pressures on him during the game by Seattle. Five sacks. Their defense, Raheem was calling on this on the Ringer Sunday pregame show today. He was saying how he thought Seattle's defense was coming on. They did get some guys back in the middle. The thing that shocked me, one of the reasons I really liked Arizona was that I thought they'd be able to run up the middle and really run on them. And especially with Connor, physical type of team that Seattle's had a lot of trouble with this season. And Connor had eight yards.

Right. They locked them down. The Arizona score and only six points is kind of crazy. That team has talent. But this was a must win. There's a must win for Seattle, right? This would have been five in a row at home and only the Cowboys do that. Like, so I, I'm not even sure. And it looks like Fandles not sure either that Seattle is back to, you know, their Marshawn Lynch days. Really? They're not even favored to win after taking this game.

The only team I'm willing to cross off mentally, I wouldn't cross them off with Penn, but maybe with Pencil, is I think the Niners are just a wrap. Oh, yeah. I don't see it. And we do this every year with at least one NFL team where we're past performance judging them and we don't want to see what we're watching now. They've lost too many guys. They're not the same team. And it wasn't even that they didn't have Purdy today. Their defense got annihilated.

The Packers ran it. Jacobs was the best guy in the field. They couldn't get their defense off the field. So even if Purdy had played or not, I don't think it would have changed the result. Too many injuries. When McCaffrey was hurt, right? They had good fill-ins. That was fine. They kept their heads above water. And then like, all right, Ayuk is out. All right, it's all right. They still have, you know, oh, well, Debo Samuel hasn't done anything. Then you convince yourself Juwan Jennings is great. Now it's like...

wow, they have really nothing offensively if Kittle's going to play every other game. But the one thing I thought today, I was like, didn't you feel like I'm not betting the Packers? Because we haven't praised Kyle Shanahan in years. And this could be the game where he puts it together. A nice game plan for Brandon Allen. Nope, nope, nope. Not even close. It's over. So I had the Packers for million dollar picks. Then Purdy got hurt and the line went up. And I was like, this has all the makings of

a stay away in real life. The line's up too high, Shannon. So I wasn't going to bet it. And then the Washington game happened. I'm like, all right, Broncos with the Packers. Let's go. Just throwing teams together to try to win money back. But I still like this Packers team. And I know even today, like love wasn't great today. He was fine, but he missed. He had Watson had, what do we make of Watson?

Is he just like, I was texting our fantasy guys, Danny, Danny and Craig about it. I was just like, like, is this guy, has he killed more fantasy teams and seasons than any rate? He's not like, he's like a marquee receiver, but this past today is wide open. He's running like a gazelle. He's beating two guys. It's right in his hands. And he just like muffs it like the dude from the replacements. But anyway, that, that was love's big, uh, big touchdown that he didn't get. Um, but I thought they looked pretty good.

Yeah, they did. And, you know, they stomped out whatever offense the 49ers had, so it didn't matter. And they had good field position most of the way. But yeah, like they're definitely a playoff team. They're definitely not as good as I think we get accustomed and we'll talk about the Vikings, but

You think teams like Green Bay and Minnesota should crush other teams like the Lions do every week, and they don't until this week when Green Bay stepped up. But you know what? You did a smart thing because you just can't rely on bad quarterbacks. So,

It's a miracle that Levis won. It's a miracle that Cooper Rush won. And then you're like, all right, that's out of the way. This is filling out nicely. I'm going to go against Brandon Allen. And who else did you go against? Minshew? That's a nice little couple of them. Demper was one of my favorites all week. We had them in million-dollar picks teased with Washington and Casey. Two teams that almost lost. I should have just done the Broncos money line. I love the Broncos against the Raiders. So the Packers are...

Somehow eight and three. Yeah. Doesn't feel like an eight and three season, but that it says that's their record. So they're going to be no worse than a six seed. And I think you want to be the six seed this year because that means you're either playing the NFC South Atlanta or Tampa, or you're playing, you know, Seattle, Arizona, those two.

The seven plays the two, the six plays the three. Three seeds going to be there. I got West or NFC South. Yeah, that's fine. So they're right where they need to be. But then if you're the six seed, you also, Oh, do they recede after the, in the round two? They do. Yeah. This is to play Detroit around too. Yeah. Yeah. But no, you want to be the five seed. Well, I would thinking about it. If there's Minnesota favorite at Atlanta, if, uh,

If that's a first round match. I mean, I wish I can get into Minnesota. I can't bet them any weeks. And they're a weird team. Like Donald goes for 330, but Jefferson only has 27. I don't know. He had seven at the end of the regulation. Yeah, that's right. Our seeds right now would be two, seven Philly, Washington, three, six Seattle, Green Bay, four or five Atlanta, Minnesota. Right.

And I think you're right. I think Minnesota is like a two and a half point favorite. If we don't know what's going to happen the next five, six weeks, Seattle, Green Bay. So you go through Green Bay's schedule the rest of the way. First of all, this Miami game they have Thursday night. Now, actually a week ago, I wouldn't have said this was that fun of a game. Now I'm kind of excited for it. The way Tua looked today, right? All of a sudden that's a good game. And then they're at Detroit the next week. Then they're at Seattle.

So this could go from eight and three to eight and six in, you know, in, in two and a half weeks. And then they play at Minnesota and week 17 too. So,

I think you're right about the seven seed having nine wins, which in that case, Green Bay doesn't have to worry about falling to seven. They'll get to 10. Plus your team could potentially make it. Shut up. With Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones leads the Cowboys. Daniel Jones is Jerry Jones' illegitimate son, and we learn about it on Thanksgiving. I can't believe it. How did they do that? Speaking of the Seahawks,

Really good interception title battle going on right now. We have a three-way tie at 11 with Gino and Mahomes and Love. And then your guy, Sam Darnold, your preseason pick when we did our futures draft.

You had Sam Darnold. What was it like? 10 to one? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. It was somewhere around that. He's only one back. He's got 10. Somehow golf isn't in the top four. He had five picks in a game. It doesn't. Yeah. Didn't, uh, I thought Caleb Williams would be up there too. It's a good, you know, just shaking off the rookie rust, but, um, he had four weeks where he didn't have a touchdown or an interception. Yeah. He's, did he have one today? What did he have? He had a touchdown today.

Uh, he had, he had one. Yeah. You know why I know that? Cause I bench DJ more, uh, the, uh, the Seahawks they're at the jets amid could Aaron Rogers be cut rumors. Would Aaron, if Aaron Rogers got cut before December, before the Netflix thing came out, what would the odds have been on that in August? Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers will be cut, will be healthy, but cut before December. 100 to one? 50 to one? What would you have said? No. 200 to one? There's a basket case. Five to one. Of course that's a pop. Five to one. Yeah, why not? Yeah. Or cut. I'd feel he walked away from the game. That's what I would think would happen, but.

I said enough about him, but I don't think they're planning it around any Netflix release at this point. Yeah, he's going to have the phantom injury, just like we all said, and that'll be that. It's probably going to be this week against Seattle. It's a home Jets game. So that's Seattle's first game. Geno Smith, back at the old team. Then they're at Arizona, rematch. Home Green Bay, home Minnesota, at Chicago, at the Rams. So we had...

I went back and looked at all the future bets I made, and I think I had the most bets on Seattle, which I might have made a mistake and accidentally bet on there over twice. Oh, really? But I had them...

most on their over to make the playoffs and to win the division. I had the trifecta and I thought it was dead two weeks ago. I think that's the only, that's the only division that's going to come down to week 18. I mean, I don't see how it doesn't at this point. I mean, these five and five teams, six and five, they're going to split everything the rest of the way. And it's going to be for positioning final week. First week of January. So our Sunday night NBC week 18 game,

What do they have? Seattle at the Rams or Arizona against San Francisco. So it could be Seattle at the Rams. That feels very similar. You got to go with the quarterbacks. Yeah. I mean, if Purdy is still upright, then maybe it has a chance, but I think you're right. I think Seattle. If the Rams are a game back. Yeah. It all depends, right? They have to be playing for something. So the Niners game, the Niners lose by 28. McCaffrey's 11 for 31. 37 yards receiving.

and has had one of the most disappointing fantasy seasons in a while considering he came back. But there was some... Green Bay, Dobbs got a concussion.

Probably no Alexander and they're playing Thursday on Thanksgiving. So we'll see what happens with that. Yeah, but the Dolphins have a huge handicap in that they're going to be playing in something less than 72 degrees. Oh, it's going to be freezing. Yeah, I can't wait to talk about that. It's going to be a fun one. And then San Francisco's at Buffalo, which could be their five and six. That could be it. That's it. That's it anyway. Look at the rest of it, even beyond that week. It's really bad. You mentioned Vikings-Bears.

So they play, the Vikings played Detroit in week 18 and they're only a game back. It's not, it's not inconceivable that that game would decide the one seed, but I watched these Vikings games and it is, I felt this way for a month. I'm sure you have to, or you're like, what, how are they doing this today? Yeah.

It looked like they blew the game because they didn't get the onside kick. But then Darnold was awesome in OT, and that was why they won. All of a sudden, Darnold really hit it up, and he's done this a couple times. I can't tell. Do you think he's sucking us in like Flacco did last year, or this is more real? He might a little bit, but just like you said, you were surprised that the Packers had, what, eight wins? I can't believe this team has nine wins. They struggle with all the teams that the Lions, and their game behind the Lions, like you said, they struggle with all the teams that the Lions just...

obliterated, right? The Titans, the Jaguars, it all came down to like, you know, this was a fourth quarter game. And, uh,

And even this one, like the Bears, I had the Bears plus three and a half. I know you don't like that, but I did have it at three and a half. And it came down to the kick. I mean, you have to take away three points on the Bears spread every week because of special teams. It's so bad. I've never seen a punt returner wave everybody off and then get hit by the punt himself and turn it over. They are. They really, the montage of them at the end of the season would be pretty great. Yeah.

Yeah. So on our Sunday pregame show, your wise wager, you're 10 and two now. You had the Bears three and a half. It was three and a half at 757. We start the show at eight Pacific time. And at 810, the line went to three. I don't know if you moved the line or what happened. I think I did move it. Take credit for it.

I'm going to say, I announced three and a half and then you text like, this spread is three everywhere. The spread Nazi, Bill Simmons weighs in. So I was like, what are we going to do? We have graphics everywhere. This is TV. Spread Nazi. I don't know. You know, you make music documentaries. You don't understand sports where you have to put the graphics on as they're going, but that's how it is. Hey, if you said it was three and a half at 757. Thank you. That's when you guys were starting the show. I'm just saying it was a pretty lucky frame.

That's all. That's what I call it. Pretty lucky break. So Minnesota, they played three games in a row at Jacksonville, at Tennessee, at Chicago. And they won those games by five, by 10, and by three in overtime. In week nine, they beat the Colts 21-13. In week five, they beat the Jets 23-17. And in week four, they won at Green Bay 31-29. They have not had a blowout win since week three when they beat Houston. Their next three games are at home.

Arizona, Atlanta, Chicago on a Monday night. All super winnable. At Seattle, home Green Bay, at Detroit to finish it.

I don't know what the final record is going to be. It could be like 14 and three. Yeah, I know. Then they have all these one score wins and you, I guess you can compare it to two years ago with cousins when they had all the one score wins, but they, they won the division and they were a high seat right that year. This, this time they're gonna have to do it on the road. So are they going to, when are they going to surprise us when they blow it or when they just, uh, March all the way to the Superbowl? I think this is a better team than that cousins. Really? Hmm. Yeah. Cause, uh,

The Aaron Jones piece, they have two good receivers. Hawkinson finally came back. I feel like they can move the ball when they actually need to. And Darnold, I want to not believe it, but he's, you know, we've seen guys, the Geno Baker, like there's a track record for this now.

Worst case scenario, probably Case Keenum. Yeah. Who was also on Minnesota. I just can't explain how Jefferson has 20. He didn't get hurt, did he? Maybe I missed that he sat out. Well, there was one play in the second half. He had like a 60-yard touchdown. He tiptoed down the line and scored and got called back. Called back. All right. So I think that was his big one. Okay. Chiefs-Panthers is another one we have to talk about. All right.

Chiefs 37, Panthers 27. This was the other sweated out part of the tease that was actually 27. Yeah. Hitting. Yeah. Actually hitting as the Washington game was. Right. So I have two things on this one. One is that Casey is just Milton Burling at every week now. Yeah. They're barely pulling it out of the zipper in these games. And then it's like, all right, you guys tied and got the two point.

Okay, now Mahomes is like flying around. They're throwing to Kelsey. But it just feels like they're trying to get to January when you watch them. With that said, Hopkins got going a little today. Worthy. Apparently they have Hollywood Brown coming back. Kelsey, this gray always seems to make one big catch. They can run the ball. Their offense looks like it's in way better shape than it was a year ago.

Um, D are you any concerned with them yet? Cause I don't have any. Well, it's interesting cause I'm both unimpressed with Casey and

But I'm also like you. I won't say Milton Berle. I mean, we have plenty of dick jokes in this podcast, but I'll use a more PG-13. I think it's more... I think they were like playing... It's like when you play horse with your seven-year-old son and you spot him, H-O-R-S. Yeah. But then you don't want him to win, so you try to... All right, I'm going to start doing lefty hook shots and everything because you can't ultimately let him win. I think that's what they did. But also, what the...

What's going on? Like they had, like Mahomes had like 180 yards passing at half. They had 10 points in the first quarter. It looked like they could score 50. Can they just get back to that after a loss? Do they have to make you sweat it out like this? Mahomes, we have one of the futures bets that we did when we did our future draft was Mahomes to get to 4,000 yards.

Oh, he's not. It's going to be, no, it's going to be tight. I think he can do it. He's got an average, like he's close to, he's over 2,400 right now. So he's got average. Right.

I don't know, like 260 a game the rest of the way. But I can't believe I'm sweating that out. Mahomes is going to play every game, 17 games, and that throw for 4,000 yards? They're going to go 15-2, and he's going to be stuck at like 3,700 yards. But until Noah Gray starts dating Olivia Rodrigo, I don't think the world is going to be right. That'd be great. Or Sabrina Carpenter. That's one thing. The other thing is I thought Bryce Young was good in this game.

Yeah. Especially in the second half. I thought there were plays where they, apparently he was 11 for 13 on blitzes. That was the stat I saw on the internets, but there were plays where it just, you kept waiting for him to make a terrible Bryce Young pass or a tip player, but he had a lot of poise. He delivered on some third and longs. Yeah. Some gutting third down conversions. Yep. Moved around, bought himself time.

I don't remember a situation like this. We've seen a guy lose his mojo on a team where it seemed like it was over and then he went to another team, but not in the same season with the same team is pretty unusual.

It is bizarre. I think we both thought Andy Dalton, this was his team for the rest of the year. Right. And then, um, I, I don't know. It's not the same as what's going on with Richardson. Although I don't even know what's going on with Richardson because they brought him back. Right. He was bad. He was bad today. Not good. Tough matchup. Yeah. Um, so no, I'm impressed with him. I mean, as long as he doesn't embarrass himself and he's not even close to doing that, he's

He's putting up points and staying close with Kansas City. Put them in the seventh seed. They're getting it before the Cowboys. Carolina. There we go. The weird thing about this. So Dalton has the job and they're playing okay with him. And it looks like he's, and they're talking about, can you trade for Bryce Young? Are they going to wave him after that? Like what's. Trade him to the Giants before you go to overseas. Yeah. Dalton gets in a car accident. Right. And he's with his wife and all three of his kids. Yeah.

And they're driving home from the school pickup and they get in an accident. And it's like, they're banged up, but nothing like too bad. Like they weren't like airlifted to the hospital or anything, but it was like bad enough that he didn't play that week. Right. So young, they have to, they were like, what else are you? I guess we got to start Bryce young, this guy whose confidence we just murdered. So the only reason he gets his job back is this bizarre, uh,

you know, fender bender with Andy Dalton leaving his kid's school. And now he's going to have the job the rest of the way. I see what you're saying. You think Bryce Young should be brought in for questioning? Interesting. I hadn't even considered that. Wow. That's good. You said it. I didn't. No, it was just, I can't remember a weirder just saga than this. It is strange. If you don't has it,

gets in a fender bender, like he's like us driving our, you know, like you picking up Harrison. Yeah. And now he doesn't have his job anymore. Like not since Tyrod Taylor getting stabbed by the team doctor has there been a weirder way for a guy to lose the job. That franchise, we should pay more attention between that owner and everything else that goes on with that franchise. They're right up there. They're not like Clippers. They're not Donald Sterling Clippers yet, but they get there. We'll take one more break for the podcast.

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Couple more games I wanted to hit.

Titans, Texans, Titans beat the Texans. Texans have, I think, locked down the shakies game now. I don't think there's any stopping them. It's a wrap now. They're seven and five. Everybody in the AFC wants to play them in round one.

They're really singularly unimpressive. Will Levis, who even when he's playing well, still has to throw a pick six to the other team. Like he can't help himself and fumble and does that. But somehow Tennessee wins anyway. You guys talked about this game a lot in the Sunday pregame. It had a whiff to it. Yeah. Well, first of all, there's always one AFC South game that where you're like, no, the first place team has to beat the fourth place team. And it doesn't.

hold true. Secondly, the Titans, like, even though they had no business winning this, their defense is really good. Like by every metric, they're either first, second or third and passing red zone. Take a look at rushing. They held the Texans to 260 yards and 40 yards rushing. Um,

I don't know what's what with CJ Stroud. I hope that he hasn't been figured out because everyone's like, oh, there's enough tape on him. I'm like, no, I don't want to hear that. But three touchdowns, five interceptions in the last five games. It'll be enough to win the AFC South. But my God, you're right. This is definitely the team you want to play. Does it ever look like he has a ton of time?

Yeah. When you watch, it always seems like he's backpedaling or he's under duress and just... Titans bring it, though. Yeah. He wasn't under duress against my Cowboys. They missed the 28-yard field goal to tie the game. Right. And then they did have the ball back near the end and he pulled a Norlovsky and they ended up getting a safety. That was nuts. They hung around. They gave up an 80-yard touchdown on the fucking tight end. When has that ever happened? It was a weird one, but a classic AFC South game. Then...

Broncos Raiders, the Vegas that now has seven straight losses and Bobby Bacala, Antonio Pierce was playing with his trains on the sidelines again as his team was trying to cover and somehow did it. Broncos plus or minus five and a half Raiders guy gets tackled on the one yard line with like 12 seconds left. They somehow don't score first and goal 20 seconds left. What's the, what's the odds of the Raiders covering? Do you think they just need, they need to score first and goal 20 seconds left.

No timeout. So they're going to pass. They're going to pass and maybe run. You can QB sneak. You're probably getting it. But the funnier thing was that they're just running like a non two minute drill down 10 where everyone else usually kicks the field goal when it gets like the 30. So you have more time. They're taking their time going down, trying to make plays. It honestly looked like he was just trying to cover.

He had given up on winning the game. The coach was, but Desmond Ritter's like, you know what? I'm not doing this. I'm not for the moral victories. I'll throw the fade out of the end zone and then I'm going to get sacked and that'll be that. I'm not even going to rush to the odds, rush to the line. So there are three quarterbacks, Minshew, O'Connell, and the Riddler, Desmond Ritter, the big three, 11 touchdowns, 11 picks.

Could we have a quarterback for have more picks than touchdowns this season? Oh, that'll be fun. That's like what we grew up with. Yeah. We're like Richard Todd would have 16 touchdowns and 27 interceptions. Yeah, that's right. Can I read you an unbelievable stat? Yeah. The Raiders have lost eight straight to rookie quarterbacks.

So they are now... That's an actual stat? That's a stat, yeah. That's from ESPN. So they're like the enhancement talent. They're like the SD Jones now. Like if you want to get... If you want to make Bo Nix look good, if you want to make Bo Nickel look good, like in the UFC, you'll put them up against like what would be the Raiders of the UFC. I think they're more Frankie Williams. Frankie Williams? Got his ass kicked on Piper's pit. Piper really destroyed that guy. Top three moment of me growing up.

Sadly. So Vegas has lost seven straight, pretty much guaranteed a top three. This was in the ESPN, the summary of the game. It said what we learned about the QB today. This is an actual paragraph. While Gardner Minshew threw a game turning third and third quarter interception parentheses, his 10th.

and Aiden O'Connell, broken right thumb, is now eligible to come off IR. A short week means Minshew probably still starts at Kansas City, unless his left shoulder injury is worse than expected. Desmond Ritter, anyone? Question mark?

He was strip-sacked upon entering the game, denying the Raiders their best attempt to tie the game. This is a fucking shit show. It's one thing to have bad quarterbacks. Why can't these guys sign Daniel Jones? I guess they don't want to. They want to be bad, right? That write-up is like...

Game changer for Little League, like tries to be nice when they're like, yeah, they made seven errors, but you know, a mighty comeback and they only ended up losing. Bobby had a couple of strong swings. He picked his nose. He ate some boogers, but then botched it in the bottom of the seventh. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, of course they want to lose, but they have so much to do this. I don't know what the, I don't think they'll ever be good. Why do I always bet them? Like, why am I still on this team all the time? You had them.

To make the playoffs or just over? To make the playoffs. I'm an idiot. That was my big swing and miss. I have like 10 swings and misses. Yeah. Kyle, turn the TikTok camera. Uh-oh. So Vegas is going to have a top three pick. I would assume their coach, Bobby Bacala, is not going to, he's going to go back to being Uncle Junior's driver after this season. They're going to need a coach. They need a quarterback.

This has Scherder Sanders and Deion Sanders written all over it. Do it. Like all over it. And by the way, I'm here for it. Yeah.

The Vegas Raiders with Dion and his son, like I'm in. That would be great. The merch would be the number one merch. The Sanders, like hard knocks, 10-year contract. Like let's go. What are we waiting for? I'm with you. Mark Davis is nothing like, you know, people are saying Shador and Dion go to Dallas. Not going to happen because Jerry, Mark Davis is nothing like Jerry. First of all, his hair is beautiful. It really is impeccable. Secondly, he doesn't care who gets the spotlight.

He just wants to be Raiders. That is the perfect, perfect move for them. Shador and Deion. Do it. People like Shador too. Yeah. Yeah, they talk about tough. He's athletic. He's a leader. Brings a bunch of stuff to the table. Broncos, 7-5. Sean Payton, fist pumps at the end of the game. They have Cleveland next week. Bi-week, Indy, at the Chargers, at Cincy. And then week 18, home KC.

In a game where I assume KC will have the one seed locked up and whoever their backup, who's their backup quarterback this year? The Chiefs? Whoever it is, he's playing in week 18. Yeah. So Denver looks like a 10-win team. It's amazing. We talked about this in the Over Under pod before the year and it was, you know, they had a lot of the

A lot of the makings of a possible sneaky seven seed, but the defense looked so bad on paper, it didn't make sense. Carson Wentz, by the way, for the Chiefs. Oh, the Red Rocket. Yeah, so he'll get one more shot at gold. But I don't know. What do you think their odds are to make the playoffs? I was looking at this before we hopped on. Denver.

Probably like minus 130. Oh, wow. You're good. It's minus 154. I thought it would be much higher. Like, aren't they going to be to me? Like, they're good. They're decent. They can move the ball. They play defense. Well, as far as like they're well coached, they're not going to embarrass you on national television. Right. They have a Monday night game coming up. It's like the networks are happy to have them. Yeah, this is a good team. They're not going to get to 10.

I have to reorder my... I'm not sure. Who's going to beat them out at this point? Not the Colts. And I feel like I've watched a lot of Broncos because we get these late games on the West Coast and there's only like three or four games. So I feel like I've seen a lot of their games. And first of all, Knicks has gotten...

he's just night and day from that jets game when he threw for 60 yards. It's like a different human being, but it's kind of a bad-ass. Like he talks shit. They had that. They ran a replay today and he's just screaming at the defense. Now granted, he's like a 30 year old rookie. He's like Scott Bacula necessary roughness. But, um, but he's at the way he carries himself. He doesn't carry himself like a rookie. He's gotten better.

week to week. I think he has real chemistry with Cortland Sutton, which you mentioned earlier. And I don't know, I could see them in the playoffs and I, I wouldn't, if they're in the playoffs, I wouldn't be like, Oh, I can't wait to bet against Denver. Like, I think they're pretty frisky. Well, this is a question. If you put the chargers in, right.

You're going to put... Who else are you going to put in? You're going to put the Steelers in. It's Chargers, Ravens, or Steelers, and then Broncos. So it's the Bengals. They have to beat out the Bengals, but the Bengals are like plus 350. They play the Bengals, so that's going to be an interesting...

Who else? The Dolphins. I'd say the Colts. Yeah. I think they go away this week, but we'll see. You know I agree because it's cold weather, but if they can somehow pull off this Green Bay game, it gets pretty fun for them because they'd have the Jets at home, which is suddenly a way easier game than it looked like. When we had this written down before the season where we were talking about the over-under, this looked like a death stretch.

Where it went at Green Bay, home Jets, at Houston, home San Francisco, at Cleveland, at the Jets. It's like, oh my God, it's brutal. Now it's like both those Jets games, San Francisco, at Cleveland, none of those games are hard except this Green Bay game. So all they have to do is get to 10 and 7.

I get, I mean, much like the Vikings, like I still don't know how they're not doing this with their best player. Like Jefferson can't, hasn't been lighting it up and neither has Tyree kill. I mean, you got this John who Smith who's, they should just trade paychecks at this point. Like, uh, or maybe Tyree Hill needs to get arrested every week because he doesn't show up for these games. And I don't know. I just, uh, I think there'll be stuck at eight or nine wins, but.

I like this Denver team. We'll see. If they lose this Green Bay game, it's going to be a lot. They'll basically have to sweep the rest of the way, I think. Right. Because they would be five and seven at that point. The good news for them is in the pregame show for NBC today, Jason Garrett was raving about Tua, who was really good today, and compared him to Magic Johnson. Right. The way he was spreading the ball around.

And at that point, I don't know if NBC has this person on staff, but there probably should be like one of those giant things that cops use to tase suspects. That's where somebody should just run on the set and just tase Garrett. Yeah. Well, but in his defense. And he would still be smiling if he was electrocuted by a taser. He's like, ah, that was great. Yeah. In his defense, he's an idiot.

I think that's all you can really say. I forgot. There's that. I mean, there are like four taser moments for Jason Garrett. And like when they're going over the highlights and Baker Mayfield's making fun of making fun of Tommy DeVito and doing the hat thing. And Jason Garrett's like, how about.

out a little helping a Gabagool and he's laughing, laughing like a school girl. And I'm like, not that I'm offended because he made an Italian reference. I'm offended that he's the worst head coach of our generation. And he's talking at me through my television set. That's why I can't stand it. I think he's offended that he said Gabagool correctly and I didn't when I was half Italian. Yeah, I know. I like you and you are half Italian. So that's a difference. Well, Miami looked good today, but they were playing the Patriots.

I thought the Patriots were a live dog today, that the game would be close and that they'd be able to move the ball up and down the field. And, uh, nephew Kyle watched the game with me and can attest. I was about as locked in as I've been in a while on a Pat's game. Well, they did move the ball down the field, maybe not up and down the field, the other direction. They had nine first half penalties. Right. But the really special thing is six of the nine were pre snap, which is basically like we don't practice.

You have pre-snap. It's like, that's, that's what, like if you're a high school team in the ninth grade left tackle, it keeps forgetting that it's on two instead of on three. It's six pre-snap penalties. They got set. May got sacked four times, but was running for his life. Half the game in two turnovers. One was May's fault. One wasn't, it got tipped. Mayo loses a challenge. Did you see this? Yes. I know what you're going to say.

They throw to Waddle for 19 for a first down. And there's also a pass interference on the play. So it's a first down either way for the Dolphins. But it looks like the ball hits the ground.

Mayo says, fuck it. And challenges the catch to, I guess, save 14 yards. Right. And then they, they said, no, it was a catch. So we lost our challenge on a play that would have been a first down anyway for dolphins. Like you see stuff every week with this team that you just never see before. We had the same left tackle had three pre-snap penalties in the first half.

This coach is really something else. I was like, ah, you're exaggerating. But you saw his comment in the post-game presser. He said, oh, there's not much I could do once they cross the white line. It's like, oh my God, you're not supposed to say that. You definitely didn't say that in the interview. Yeah.

Like, of course, it's both. Just like you said, they should be coached better and then they wouldn't be having these pre-snap penalties. Like, well, there's not much. That's like you and I saying, well, why would we do a podcast? Let the players do the talking and then we'll see what the records are at the end of the year. What the hell is he doing? This team, it's so frustrating because I really think Drake's good.

And they'll start every drive with run into the middle for one or there'll be a false start. Now it's first and 15 or it's a run play where the guy gets tackled four yards behind the

Like I've never seen a team have more second and 14, second and nine, second and 15, second and 12. And just over and over again, they're behind the eight ball. And then when they actually make a play, if they're driving, Drake throws a really nice play. Ramadri breaks the tackle. They get 20. Nope. That's coming back. Holding penalty. Just this team that he's saddled on.

with the worst coaches and the worst offensive line and wide receivers that can barely catch the ball. And like part of me is wondering, like, are we even, I've now reverted back to, should we just sit him for the rest of the season so he doesn't get hurt? Because it's this bad. But then you watch him and he'll have these series like he did with the Rams last week where it's like, he might win this game by himself. So I don't know what to think.

Well, you should think that you're going to bet them over four and a half wins because you know they're going to surprise you a couple more times. They'll really end. And you'll lose like nine draft picks. This game today on both sides.

you know, it just shouldn't be like last week. They're just blitzing Stafford over and over again. It's like rule number one, don't put Stafford. They're just like doing it the whole game. Um, today they just seem completely blindsided by the disc jockey. This jockey was like, he was really spinning the tunes today.

He was like, all right, yeah. Miami sound machine. You got it going. Yeah. I don't know. Like, look, there, there are some coaches who like just pull some bullshit and then they get away with it. Like Sirianni. Yeah. I don't know. Like Barkley's so good.

They're going to win regardless of his nonsense. Like that crazy, not to take it back to that game, but when he was like... End of the first half? Yeah. No, when that whole thing with third and 13 or fourth and three. Right. And then they bring the defense. Send them back to third and 13. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. But it worked. No, no. You already said no. You can't come to Thanksgiving. Our table's full. You already RSVP'd. Right. Just what are you doing? But yeah, but he's going to survive that. This guy, Jared Mayo, can't.

The talent's just not there. See, I don't think, I just don't think Kraft's going to pay for another coach. I think we're stuck with this guy next year. The thing that, the thing I hate the most is he was such a tough player. You know, he was a middle linebacker. He was just a badass. And then as a coach, he just,

I tweeted today, I was joking that his book would be called scared football. He's just scared the whole game. It's like, oh, it's fourth and one. We better punt. You know, and even if they're going to like go for it on a play, it's the most predictable play ever when they run some sort of trick play. It's the worst trick play you've ever seen. It just, it looks like they don't practice.

Yeah. I think it's going to be, I said this a few weeks ago and I'm going to predict it again. I think it's going to be a really hard week for him in Boston because they, they were so poorly prepared and coached in the game today. I don't, I don't know how that's not the preeminent talking point of the week.

These guys, just because they're good at something doesn't mean, right? Like look at Jason Garrett, horrible, horrible coach. And then he goes on and is even a worse pregame commentator. So how do you even, how could you even tell what's going to be? Well, the problem is if they're not going to fire him this year and then he's, it's not going to really get better next year. Maybe they can change offensive coordinator. Like let's say they get day ball. Let's say they signed T Higgins. They just do those two things. Day balls, the OC, right?

T Higgins is the wide receiver one. They get a left tackle in the draft. Like they're just noticeably better in a couple of ways. It's still not going to stop how unprepared the team looks.

That's what they, and he can, he, you can't blame the players on that when you could just have guys jumping off sides left and right. They had one play, I think it was Hooper or Henry, one of the tight ends. They had two penalties in the same play. So the Dolphins were like, oh, we get to choose. But one of them was, the tight end was, he was just a foot, like his whole foot was over the line of scrimmage. He,

He was basically like where the dolphins were. That's fine. How are you lined up this way? You guys are professional football players. Miami didn't have a penalty for two hours. I think you're wrong. Well, I don't know if you're wrong because there's no way to, there's no precedent to tell if craft will fire a coach because you had an unfireable coach for so long. Right. But I don't think he's going to be like Jerry Jones, where he's just going to take shots every week and everyone's going to be like, what is wrong with this guy? And he's just going to sit there and take it. He's used to winning. So he'll make a change.

Vrabel was a really good coach who had real ties to the Pats and everybody always thought he would follow Belichick and he's sitting there right now. And I think the fear is you don't get Vrabel. You do another year with Mayo. It's just as bad next year. And now Vrabel will get one of his other jobs. He said, there's like going to be eight jobs open. He'll get one of them. And then you've missed out on this Vrabel chance. Um, the only other thing I had before we get to guess the lines is Bucks Giants, uh,

When you mentioned Tampa trying to steal the NFC South, here's the thing against it. Atlanta beat Tampa twice already and they have a one game lead. So they're basically two ahead of Tampa. Think about it. So, but look at that. Can't they go five and one? Look at the schedule. Tampa's at Carolina home Vegas at the chargers at Dallas home Carolina home, new Orleans. Yeah, that could be, they could get to 10 wins.

Four and two. I know everybody slips up, but with this offense getting healthy, I think that's four and two or five and one. Do I have to worry about my NFC South bet? The division has 18 wins with six weeks left.

But did you figure out how many automatic wins there are? Like how many division games? Well, there's a couple where they play each other, but I, but we have that. We had two. Cause then the, we, one of the ones we did was the NFC East against the NFC South. The NFC East has a three game lead over them, but the giants probably aren't winning again.

Right. And they play a couple of NFC South teams. Three weeks ago, it was looking great. It didn't look like the Saints or the Panthers would win another game. And the two receivers went down for Tampa. Now you're going to have to do a little work, I think. Let's take a break for the pod.

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I got sad today because once it's Thanksgiving, it's like almost the end of the regular season and the playoffs. And we're, what are we 60% done with the season now?

So this is 13 at 12 out of 18. 12 out of 20. I guess 12 out of 21. Yeah, we're like 58% done with the season. Well, yeah, I know. It gets both ways, right? I like sort of what, well, first of all, Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday. But then, because it's just football, football, football, and food. But I also can, you and I will be able to memorize most of the team's remainder of their schedule, right?

But that's also very sad because that only means there's a few left. I think saying Thanksgiving's your favorite holiday is not a controversial opinion. Is Thanksgiving your favorite day, I think, is a better conversation. So your single favorite day. Yeah, I can't think of what will... Yeah, nothing compares. I think it's my favorite day too. Yeah. You don't have to worry about your team losing though, right?

You just got bats and food. That's fun. Well, you have Cowboys Giants is our second game. It's only the fourth time since the merger that these two teams have played on Thanksgiving where they both have losing records. I believe it. So choke on your turkey during that stat. Oh, I'm setting my alarm for a nap for that game. That's for sure. What's our guest aligns record? Seven and four?

I think you're better than that. Yeah, 7-4-1. You beat me last. Go over how I can make the playoffs at 4-7-1. I want to hear it. Sign Daniel Jones to help you with your picks. Thanksgiving. Daniel Jones is my son. Go ahead. Lions-Bears in Detroit.

And I think here's my thinking on this. I think they had to jack this up so that you couldn't tease the lions with anyone else. So even though this is probably should be lion seven and a half, I think it's, it's Thanksgiving and everybody loves Turkey and throwing somebody, you know, tease and Thanksgiving. I think it has to be lions by nine. Okay, good. I get this. I said 10. They're not screwing around with the lions. It's 10 and a half. That's too high. Well,

Hear me out. Not that I have to convince you the Lions are going to win this game, but I feel like this is the season where they get the monkey off their back in many ways. Like Dan Campbell beat the crap out of the Cowboys for all that nonsense that went down last year in the regular season, right? Yeah. The 49ers are gone, so they don't even have to worry about them and what happened in the NFC Championship. They do have that whole, oh my God, we were embarrassed on Thanksgiving last year by the Packers. I think they're going to be up for this. I don't think that happens again. Yeah.

I saw a great Dan Campbell post-game speech. As I've been pushing, I don't know why this isn't just a Twitter feed of all the post-game speeches and all the locker rooms. That's all it is. It's just game ball speeches. He gave game balls to like four people and then was talking about how they were road warriors. Did you see this? Yep. He was like, when I got here...

We had 0, 11, and 1 in all of our road games. And since then, we're 16 and 5. And all you guys in this locker room had something to do with that. He's great.

He gives a great post game. Probably the number one post game speaker right now. Wouldn't you rather see the, the feed of the losing coaches give their speeches? Like Mayo? Yeah. How great would that be? Mayo like, Hey, you know, six pre-snap penalties in the first half. We got to work on that guys. Oh, that's on you. That's on you guys. No, nothing's on me. Yeah. So,

So guys, when we're snapping the ball, it's like either it's on one or it's on two or it's on three. And you just kind of remember when you get, when you, when you line up, right. It's going to be two this time. Then you move when it's two. It's just all numbers. We'll take, take off till Wednesday. We'll figure it out. Unbelievable. We're going to have him for another year. Cowboys giants in Dallas. I can't believe I'm doing this, but I think it's Cowboys by seven. Oh, wow. Yeah.

I said three and a half. It's four and a half. Yeah. Vegas, the Vandal Vegas doesn't like Dallas this year. They just put that in the Vegas zone, huh? Well, I don't know if you read anything about the Giants game today, but apparently the Giants were like disconsolate after the game. Like they were all saying after they waved Daniel Jones, like,

The guys are best quarterback. Why are we waving them? And then they're, they're not even playing the second best quarterback. They're playing the third best quarterback. This is why you're not supposed to tank in the NFL because this is violent sport. Right. That guys have to commit to at a certain physicality level. And when you have your franchise base, like, yeah, we're done. You know, how do you expect the team to respond to that? The coach is on his way out. The GM's on his way out. The quarterback's not going to be there. Like, I don't understand. Like, why would the giants beat Dallas and Dallas?

I think we should just go with division game. Underdog is always a spot to win here. I really have no idea. I don't know. Tommy DeVito. I just, yeah, but it was like neighbors going off on Dable. It was like, ask Dable why I didn't get a reception or a target until the third quarter or whatever it was. But yeah, they're a mess. But Daniel Jones is probably like, I see this guy get sacked. I'm glad it's not me. Just get me on a playoff team as a backup.

There's one silver lining to this game, which is one of the worst quarterback matchups we've ever had on Thanksgiving. Yeah. Although Cooper Rush wasn't bad today. Tom Brady announced in this game. Oh, wow. That's right. Could this be the Tom Brady heel turn game? Could this be his Walter White breaking bad, getting pushed over the edge, shaving his head performance?

Where the quarterback play is so bad and he's so mad that he's working on Thanksgiving, he finally becomes Tom Brady, TV analyst, and he's just ripping guys. Yeah. And actually telling us what they're doing wrong. Could it happen? Starts beating the shit out of an intern with a turkey leg that's propped up on the set. I'll show you jiu-jitsu! Do it, Tom. Why does he have to lose? Yeah. He owns a team. It's all right. Shave your head.

Packers-Dolphins is our third game. It's a great game. It's in Green Bay. And it's going to be freezing cold. And you're going to see over the next four days a lot of stats about how bad the Dolphins are when it's super cold, how bad Tua is when it's super cold. And I can't wait to bet on the Packers in this game, Sal. Just spoiler alert. I'm going to say Packers by four.

Yeah, that's what I said. It is three and a half. Ah. We split that. Man. All right. So what's the tease? You know, you're doing a Moneyline parlay. Is it just Lions, Packers, and you'll pay a little juice? Should we do this for Fando? I'll tweet this out. Go ahead, Fando. So we could do... You can make it simple. I mean, forget that. Packers, Moneyline with... Oh.

It's minus 120. With Detroit Moneyline? That's minus 120. Oh. That seems so easy. That's all we have to do. Packers. You'll win that first one by 9.50 a.m. And then you take a nap. And then you take some gummies and you take a nap, Bill. And you miss that giant cowboy game. And you come back and watch Lambo. It's not going to win. Oh.

I'm all in on that tease. I feel like we have to grab that right now. I know I always say that, but that minus 120 is not going to be there much longer. Yeah. Let's not screw it over on there's anything. That's it. And then Thanksgiving. So you get Packers Dolphins. And then when it hits midnight on the East Coast, you get to watch my Yacht Rock documentary. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That'd be fun. It's great. You'll love it. There's no way you won't love it. Oh, come on. Kidding me? Sunday Marquee.

Well, hold on. Are you going to do Friday? Oh, you didn't know there was a Friday game. Raiders Chiefs. Raiders Chiefs. And we can't start over because we're live. I put that in the fairly watchables. No, I'm not going to change my guess. All right. I forgot about the Black Friday game. And it's funny because they sent me a t-shirt of the studio crew with my face in the middle of it. I should have worn it. Really? And that's what you... It looks like I'm in the crew. It looks like I'm ready to have an argument with Sherman. I love it.

All right. So Kansas City home for the Raiders. It's probably going to be Ritter, right? Because, well, you read that blurb to us. It seemed like it was going to be Ritter. It might be Minshew. It's inspiring. I have the Chiefs by 11 and a half. Oh, you get it. I had 11. It's 13 and a half. Oh, boy.

Now, listen, if you want to wait just a few hours more and do Lions, Packers, Chiefs, that gets you in the plus 103. Yeah, but that's another Milton Berle situation for the Chiefs. It's Black Friday. Oh, they can't. They're not, they lost to them on Christmas. They can't. But even if you do a 10 point. Oh, so you can do a 13 point tease. Just do the money line. Just Lions money line, Packers money line, Chiefs money line. What is that going to say? Plus 103. That's pretty good.

Oh, there's so much college. Aren't the Chiefs going to fuck us one of these next four weeks like they did that time with the Raiders a year ago? Yeah, but it's the Raiders. Where Mahomes has a game, he fumbles, he throws a pick six, he gets hurt, he comes back in. Like, they haven't had that game yet. They hate this team though, right? With the cigars and everything else. Yeah, they do. The Raiders talk shit. Yeah.

Sunday's marquee game is the Ravens and the Eagles in Baltimore. It's a wonderful sporting event. The Ravens, for all we know, could be seven and five heading into this game. Right. And sweating out a playoff spot. I personally think they're going to win tomorrow. I don't know. Where do you stand on that, Chargers? I do too. Yeah, I have them. I money line them. So that's probably going to be bad for them. Well, big brother wins, right? Big brother always wins. Ravens. I have a minus three against the Eagles.

It is... You got it exactly. I said two and a half. Now we're tied. Okay. It's a good game. That's it. Barkley Henry. Offensive player of the year. This is it. Trades of the year. Watchables. Three of them. Bengals, Steelers in Cincinnati. Bengals now in we have to win every game territory. Steelers...

Um, so I was at the, at the, we did a premiere for the Yacht Rock doc on Thursday night. So I had the Steelers game on my phone. Beautiful. And I couldn't, I couldn't even, I couldn't watch it during thing. And I also really wanted to watch thing, but I glanced at it a couple of times and it was 18, six. So pretty. And I didn't look for 10, 12 minutes, look back down. It was 1918 Steelers. It's like, Oh, wow.

Look back again, it was 24-19 final. And I was like, I can't wait to find out what happened in this game. That game was just fully bonkers. But it's a fun Jameis game. I feel like Jameis might be the quarterback who doesn't have a chance.

that I root for the most. It's just so, I mean, it was like 0 for 9 and third down and 4 for 4 with fourth downs. It's just, it was perfect for him. And it looked great. And NFL Films did the thing of him running in slow motion. I'm like, oh, this is why I love football. I don't even care. I can't believe of all the shitty Thursday night games we have to watch.

That game, you know how much I love. I know everyone loves Snow, but I really like love Snow. I'm a 10 out of 10 for loving Snow. And I love seeing it on the TV and the flakes sticking to Tomlin's beard. Of all the games, why did it have to be the game when I was at a documentary premiere? I'm a 10 out of 10 for loving Snow. Sounds like something you'd hear on Yacht Rock. So that's perfect.

I think that was the song. I think Stephen Bishop wrote that one. Yeah, was that Bishop? Yeah. Was that Steely Dan? I don't know. I'm a 10 out of 10 for love and snow. Stupid. I have Bengals by one and a half against Steelers. I get this. I said two. It is two and a half. So when was the last time a four and seven team was favored by two and a half against an eight and three team that did not have any injuries?

Probably a long time ago. Yeah, pretty rare. Are they going to out-slug the Bengals, though? That's it. Because you know Burroughs dialed in, right? So even the Steelers' defense, as much trouble as they give them, should score like 26, 27 points. I think it's enough. And everything's a must-win now for Cincy. That's why they're fine. I think the Steelers are good. And I think they played a Thursday night game, right? Four days after this emotional win over Baltimore, it snowed like a motherfucker.

It was a stupid game that had a lot of dumb momentum twists. And I think you throw it out. He also got outcoached a little bit. And he's allowed to, right? You can get an outcoach once a year. And now it's that game. It's always a tough division battle. Falcons-Chargers. It's in Atlanta. Probably not betting on this game. I do. Probably the Chargers and the Tees.

But I'm going to say Falcons by one and a half. Oh, that's why you did it. Well, you're right and you're wrong. I said Chargers by one and a half, and it is Chargers by one and a half. But the one and a half always flip. They always flip by Thursday. It's Chargers by one and a half. Chargers a favorite, but if we talk Thursday, it'll be Falcons. And then it might flip again. I mean, that's what happened with Arizona and Seattle. It's happened with so many of these. Jets, Texans, same thing. So.

So you think there's a one and a half conspiracy? There is. It's the tic-tac terrorists out there moving these lines. It's like how it's the black eye conspiracy with celebrities. And celebrities only have black eyes on their left eye. Some sort of Illuminati thing. Exactly. So Leno fell down the hill and it's like, left eye was black. Shit's going on. Yeah. I don't know how they come up with this stuff.

That's true. It's all true. I'm going to have a black eye on my left eye in two days. It's like, we'll show you. There was a Reddit person who broke down that Leno thing really well.

But he ended up, he almost definitely is telling the truth, right? Yeah. It seems like he's telling the truth. He was playing. That sucks. He's playing at some weird club in Germanstown, Pennsylvania. There was the hotel. Everyone's like, why is he staying at that hotel? He's a billionaire. But it's like, it was the nearest hotel to where that gig was. He's also cheap. He's also very cheap. And he's also super cheap. He spends all his money on cars. He was trying to walk to some restaurant that he tried to cut, walk down a hill to cut the distance so he didn't have to go around. And

And he's 74. And it's the kind of thing like our dads would have done. Right. You'd have been like, what? I'd be like, Sal, what happened to your dad? It's like, ah, he fell. Right. Like, it's just, it's just kind of what happens when you're mid-70s. So I think it adds up. But I still like the conspiracy stuff. I enjoyed all of it. Either way, the irony is great that he didn't have a car. Guy's got like 75 funny cars and hangers all over California. Well, the more confusing thing to me is he made...

I mean, he was making $30 million a year in the Tonight Show for 20 years. Yeah. And when he was doing stand-up gigs and making crazy money on those, why does he have to go to the middle of somewhere in Pennsylvania to do stand-up? Yeah. And he's indignant when they ask him about it. Like, well, why don't you just cancel the show? The show must go on. It's like, all right, you're 103. You could sit one out.

I'm at the Red Roof Inn on Big Bear Mountain on November 29th. It's like, it's the place 74. Why didn't you retire? Go sit on a beach. Vikings are home for the Cardinals. That's a good one. I'll never trust Kyler Murray again until about three weeks from now. I have Vikings minus three against Cardinals. I had you out here. I had three and a half and that's what it is. That's too high. That'll be three. Well,

You're going to throw that? You're going to throw Kyler in a teaser? No, I'm not going near this game. Fairly watchables. Colts at the Pats. I just think the Richardson May makes this a fairly watchable and not a poop factor. Sure. Colts are going to be favored. And I think it's Colts by one and a half. I had two. I think it's two and a half now. Yeah. That's fair. It's going to be a loss. I don't think the Pats are getting a five wins. I think I'm going to win that bet. Well, when did you make that bet?

Before the year. That was like my lock of the year was I had the Pats under four and a half wins. You could do it again. But I didn't know Drake May was going to be, I wouldn't have made that bet if I knew Drake was going to be good. Well, you could. Year one. You could sell it if you want, because it's still four and a half. The under is minus 144. Is that what it is on Fandle? It's still four and a half. What's Carolina? Just out of curiosity. That's four and a half too. Yeah. Some of these, there's like Cleveland, I think is also four and a half. Your team's six and a half.

I know you have them winning 10. Sure. I said nine. Denver is nine and a half now. Jesus. What's Miami? Wow. Miami is only seven and a half. They're five and six. The over is minus 200 though, right? Yeah. It's a big, big juice. What's Miami? Miami to make the playoffs is plus 240. Yeah, I don't like it. You might as well just bet them against Green Bay and then just keep rolling it in some of these important games.

Washington to make the playoffs is, oh, that's Tampa. Tampa's plus 114. Washington's minus 188. Seahawks are at the Jets. Seahawks are going to be favored in this game. I don't know if there's a lot of weeks left to win real money against the Jets before the line shift. It feels like the last week. The Seahawks defense has looked legitimately good the last two weeks.

Seahawks by one and a half is going to be my pick. You got it. That was smart. I said two. And this is another one that's going to flip unless there's a quarterback change. Although I don't even know what would have to move. Does the line move if Rodgers is out? Jets favor by three? With Tyrod Taylor, I don't think the line moves. Rodgers has been awful. Yeah.

So Tyrod Taylor, does the Jets-Seahawks line move with Tyrod Taylor? Like San Francisco moved three and a half points today when Purdy went out. I think it stays the same. I don't think it moves. What would be crazy is if it moved the other way and the Jets were favored with Tyrod. What's he going to do? Not throw downfield? It's fine. And so that's exactly what... Can he bring his friends in, Tyrod Taylor? Okay, we have a whole new receiving core. These are my buddies. I grew up with them.

Rogers dresses up like the Chargers team doctor and tries to stab Tyrod with a needle. Yeah, well, he's a medical expert. Washington is home for the Titans. So this was, I guess, the Lions before the day, and I had Washington by seven. I'm going to knock that down to six. Washington by six. Yeah, you get this. I said seven and a half only because, I don't know why, but it's five and a half. Hmm.

Well, it looked like Edgar got knocked out at the end of the game. Right. So he won't play. And he's had a few concussions before. So just Brian Robinson, who was hurt during the game today, and they have that McNichols guy, but I think they're going to have trouble running the ball. And then Daniel still doesn't look healthy. We're going to find out after the year that he has like three cracked ribs, right? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I'm just looking at it as a must win in Tennessee. It's also a must loss for them after winning this today. I mean, how are they going to pull this off?

Rams at the Saints. And after what we saw from the Rams today, I think they're going to be favored, but I don't think it's going to be by much. I'm going to say Rams by one and a half at the Saints. Rams by, I said two, and it's two and a half. A lot of momentum for the Clogger. I don't know if you've been following this. Yeah. Why not? People like the Clogger.

The team's responding. He's clogging up that team with wins. Oh my God. What is his bye week like, the clogger? When he doesn't have to watch what he eats? A lot of salad. A lot of salad and hot water. Poop Fecta, speaking of the clogger, we got two. We got Texas at Jacksonville. And I can't believe Doug Peterson's still the coach.

It seemed impossible after the 52-6 game. What was that, a week ago? He survived the bye. I didn't even realize that. Yeah. They must have been busy. The ownership must have been vacationing or something. I have Texans by three and a half at Jacksonville. I had four and a half. It's five and a half. We're both low there. I like Jacksonville. You do? Yeah. Oh, because of your guy? No, I don't think Houston's very good.

And I had that, I have future bets on them. I was all in on them. I've been waiting for it to turn around, but I don't think they can block. No. From what I'm watching week to week, doesn't seem like they can block. And their defense seems like when you really need to drive the ball down the field on them, you can't.

It's probably a stay away. I don't, what I don't want for the last, you know, seven weeks of the season, whatever is for the South divisions to rip my guts out. Right. So if we're on the wrong side of too many of these, it's a great way to think about it. Yeah. Great way to think about it. And here's another one. Bucks at Panthers. So I have bucks by four and a half in Carolina and I like Carolina. Oh, I had six at six and a half. Oh, I'm going to win this week.

No. Come on. 10 to 5 or something. I guess you are going to win. Wait, who did you say? You like Carolina? No. I'm going to give you Carolina's last couple weeks. Week 9, they beat the Saints by 1. Week 10, they beat the Giants by 3. Week 12, tied with KC with a minute left. And they had a bye week in there too. They haven't really had a bad game since week 7. They got killed by Washington. But even the Denver game, the 14-28 loss...

It wasn't like they didn't get demolished. So at least they're getting better, unlike my team. Yeah, it's respectable. I mean, I have the Bucs. You should also have the Bucs that win a division. We had an agreement. So I have to lean heavy into this. But instead of doing that, I could just bet against Atlanta this week, right? Right. Because Tampa, for them, they win a division. Sunday night, Bills 49ers. A game that I'm sure they were thinking was going to be one of the best games of the year three months ago.

Oh, Al, I just, I'm thinking about how great this game seemed to knock August. No, I just want to do a shot of whiskey or something, Al. I don't have a goddamn good thing to say about Brandon Allen. Can we just fast forward to next week? I just, I'll get excited about George Kittle if you want me to, Al, but I just, I think this goes over seven. I think this is bills by seven and a half.

I said seven and it's six and a half. Ah, just like a point off with all of these. Well, is this the Kyle Shanahan? We're going to F everybody up. Everybody trying to get their money back from the Thursday night and Thanksgiving weekend. Is this the one? So Purdy's probably playing. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's about all we got. If you're, if you're making the case for the Niners, it's backs to the wall. If they lose this game, their season's over. They have a losing record in their division. Mm hmm.

You can't lose this game and have a realistic chance. I guess maybe you could sneak into the playoffs as we made the case with your team. But I think Purdy, is he definitely playing? Like they thought he was going to play this week too. So to say that they think he's going to be ready. I don't know. I guess this is their season though. It's got to do it. Monday night. Broncos home for the Browns. This is really the Sal bowl. Your guy Bo Nix against your guy Jameis. So much fun.

It's really everything you want. Do you want to guess? Because there's odds up for Offensive Rookie of the Year. I think Bo Nix has to be favored. Then you should bet him. He's plus 125. Daniel is minus 150. Wow. I think that's a pretty good bet. The number one pick is 50 to 1, Caleb Williams. Jesus. I don't think he was bad today. No, he wasn't. He wasn't. He missed some plays. Yeah.

So I got Broncos minus three and a half against Cleveland. You're going to get that. I said three, it's four and a half, but too little, too late for you, Simmons. All right. Seven, five and one. You beat me on your favorite week of the year. I love it. I love it. Cowboys are alive. That's got to stop. I mean, I don't know why that still gets me annoyed, but listen, are the Cowboys alive or are they not? They're alive. Now we crossed them off. We have say, but they're alive.

What do you got for parent corner? Uh, what do I have? A couple of things. Well, first of all, we, um, you know, again, favorite weekend of the year, favorite day. Got your, your, uh, there's always home already, right? Yeah. So now, uh,

You got, you get to see her for what, a week or more? Yeah. It's like eight days. She's been home since August 8th. Yeah. Right. Same here. My guy comes home, um, Wednesday morning and he's leaving Friday. He's like, I'm going back because Oregon's playing Washington and I'm going to that game. And like, my wife was like, oh, this is terrible. It's like, how many times did she cry?

Well, it hasn't happened yet, but I think it's about that. I think it's going to be bad. But I was like, this is cats in the cradle, right? I would do the same thing and my parents would get mad. And what are you going to do? But she didn't cry when Archie said he was only coming home for two days? That didn't elicit tears? I think she had regrouped and composed herself because I found out hours later.

But I think the tears will flow naturally when it actually happens. It's like going off. But yeah, so that's that. The other thing is I picked my son Jack up from wrestling practice. And he's like extra dirty. And I was like, what the hell? Why do you smell? What's going on here? What did you do? He's like, we had to clean garbage. So what do you mean you had to clean garbage? He's like, well...

Coach got mad because somebody went in the wrestling room and tried to lose extra weight and like was jumping rope and they were unsupervised and the principal found out and nobody would fess up. This is like the fourth nobody will fess up thing that they had to like do, you know. Yeah. They had to do community service as a result. And so we all had to clean garbage like over an hour, like an hour and a half after we ran. And I was like,

all right, but can't the coach, I, you know, I've had bosses that do this, like did, you know, bosses and teachers and coaches that punish the whole group. But if you looked at it logically, like my kid is not going after hours to jump rope. He's just not right. So like,

can we, we could excuse him. What are we doing here? Like if, if you were at work and like a beet salad was missing from the community refrigerator and you're like, nope, we're unplugging the refrigerator for everyone. You could assume it's not me that took the beet salad. Right. I haven't seen a vegetable in like seven years. So I don't know what kind of, I don't know where you stand on that kind of messaging, but.

Seems like it's excessive. Do you think Gerard Mayo should try some of this motivational tactics with the Patriots? Maybe. We have six pre-staff penalties in the first half. You guys are all going to have to clean up the garbage outside of Gillette Stadium. Yeah. I'm unplugging all the electricity in the locker room. You're done. So...

Everyone enjoys your parent corners every week. Rarely did I get multiple people in my life asking the same question about last week's parent corner from you. With the match? Yeah. If your kid throws up during the match, why isn't that an automatic forfeit? It's supposed to be. Because our coach, which coincides with my

My story this week is a lunatic. So he somehow talked the ref out of the forfeit? He had to be like, our kid's nervous. He's not sick. And then my kid's like, yeah, I'm nervous. And they're like, all right, we'll clean up the dominoes and then we'll let you finish. But yeah, that was it. But yeah, normally it is. It's amazing that just isn't a rule in Southern California sports. Like, bomb it.

wrestling automatic match over. Right. Exactly. And then my wife wanted to ask that it's, it must've smelled like puke smells. It wasn't like, but it's like still going to smell. Right. It was a little bit, it wasn't like stand by me, like with the, the pie contest. I wouldn't say that, but yeah, that was a lot. It was a little bit and they cleaned it up and that, yeah. I mean, the kid was like, yeah, that's a good way to like get a kid to forfeit. Like, I don't want to be vomited on.

But yeah, that was it. But then I was thinking maybe that should be Jack's thing. He throws up during every match. The other kid is so bummed out. He just wants to get pinned. You know, I once farted so bad that I was wrestling a really good kid, but I shouldn't have been pinned in the first period, but I was. And then like afterwards, he's like,

I'm sorry, man. I had to get rid of you. That was just, that was so bad. I thought it would work. I thought it would work in my advantage, but to my advantage, but no, he had a, he had to step up as a arsenal. That was my parent corner. Um, so I picked up my daughter on Friday from the airport.

And I did the thing where you pull in illegally at the arrivals. Park the car. There are no cops. I think they know because it's Thanksgiving. And I got there. I was like four minutes before her. And I was watching...

these other cars and there was a lot of kids coming back from college already on that Friday. And it's like the most emotional hugs. You're getting choked up in the car watching all these people who haven't seen their kids and just these huge long hugs. And I'm like, is this the most emotional place in America every year? The kids coming home for Thanksgiving on the airplane and seeing their families? Then I was thinking, if I'm like United,

This would be a great commercial over like fly in the friendly sky, whatever United that it's good. Yeah. It should just be like these whole movie iPhone shots of all these people. Like, like people were like hugging each other and crying. Like they were so excited. They see each other. So I'm getting emotional watching. And then my daughter comes in with the bag and she's like, Hey dad,

Just kind of gives me, because I'd seen her a few weeks ago. So I was like ready to really have an emotional moment. It didn't happen. I thought you were going to say this should be a Twitter feed with only embraces at the airport. I need game ball, locker room speeches, and emotional airport hugs. I would like somebody to come off and like someone coming off a Spirit Airlines flight. Like, why do you have a black guy? What happened? Yeah.

You and Jay Leno. What is this? What's going on? Are they lube-ing out after you? Yeah, so anyway, and I was in a good mood the whole day and then picked her up. We're talking in the car. We drive back and we end up going for dinner that night, the four of us. It was like old times. Nice. And then within...

Not even 24 hours, my wife and my daughter yelling at each other. Oh, nice. By Sunday, my wife's like, she's just the kitchen. Like I just, here's what I didn't miss is the way you treat the kitchen. And it's just like, we're just back. Right. Oh, the emotion's out the window. Now everybody's yelling at each other again. We're really back though. Yeah. There might be too much lead up time to Thanksgiving, right? I wonder what the perfect amount is. Two days. Yeah.

Probably like a Tuesday. It's nice to have her home. The dog, Murph just absolutely lost his mind. He hadn't seen her in three and a half months. What do you think dogs think when people disappear? They're not smart. I don't know if you've noticed, but not smart animals. It's almost like they have dog Alzheimer's where they have no long-term memory. It's like, hey, it's that person.

Right. Yeah. I don't know what they think. I don't, I don't, um, you know what? I'm, I'm so locked into sports gambling and losing. I don't have time to think about what dogs are thinking about. What'd your dog think of Washington somehow? Somehow losing kids vomiting on mats and stuff like that. I'm an analyzed psychoanalyzing dog. It's great though. It's, it's great to have everybody in one spot. I like that idea for United or whoever though. That's a,

That's really, I can't believe that I haven't done that. I was trying to think what's more emotional other than like, uh, yeah, like happy, emotional, not like sad, emotional, like a funeral. Like, I guess like a wedding would be happy, emotional. Yeah. Airport. My kid is coming home from college. There's not,

graduations maybe there's not like a lot of just but wedding happy wedding it's the whole event but you're right but the airport it's that exact embrace moment of embracing right because we think about i i don't know living out here we think about the airport as oh andy dick's going to be say something terrible to tmz uh stepping off a jet blue flight or something but you're right

It's been in a positive way. Even the people whose parents didn't greet them, like hugging the Uber driver. Yeah. Exactly. There's always a hug. Uber driver's like, ha!

All right. That was parent corner. What do you have to, what do you have to plug? What do I have? Simmons through the ringer with the great Tate Frazier against all odds. Couple of times a week on the ringer podcast network. We're going to review Monday night football, go over the big college games and playoff implications. Cousin Sal's winning weekend with Michael Irvin and ringer pregame show. Now listen, this has become very competitive and you know, I don't like that.

But I gave out a bunch of winners. And it's not a four-hour show. We only get to talk like seven times each. Wisest wager was the Bears locked in at three and a half. My dog was the Titans plus 310. Tommy DeVito to not throw a touch, an interception. Jacobs over 74 and a half rushing yards. And the ice cream sundae, a segment you created, Lions by 11 to 20 points plus 290. What a week for me. That one hit. The Titans didn't hit though.

The Titans plus 310? What's the matter with you? Yeah, they won. Yeah, so you hit all of those? We just did 40 minutes on it. You need a hug from your daughter. What's the matter with you? Yes, I hit all of them. You've been talking for an hour and a half. Yeah, for some reason I thought they covered it. That's it. Watch the Ringer pregame show. How many sides of the Ice Cream Sundae pick did we get? I was the only one. I don't want to crap on these guys, but I was the only one. What are you going to do? I have to plug Yacht Rock on HBO and Max on Friday.

It's really good. Give us a little tease. What's good? What are people going to sing? I'm really glad that Michael McDonald finally gets his just do. But I think it's put it this way. He has multiple moments where he just cooks in it, but it's really, I think it's not what you think it is to stock. That's what I will say. I don't want to spoil it, but it's way more about the music than, than the,

comedy of it and stuff like that. I think people are going to be surprised. Okay. And it has nothing to do with Vince McMahon. All right. Next time. That's it. Cuz good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Cousin Sal. Thanks to nephew Kyle, Steve Cerruti, Gahal,

Everybody behind the scenes who helped with such a spectacular production. Wasn't that many people, but it was still fun. You can watch this podcast on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel. Don't forget new rewatchables coming Monday night. Running scared. Don't forget about the yacht rock documentary coming Friday day after Thanksgiving on max and on HBO. And I will see you in this podcast on Tuesday. I want to see that.

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