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Okay, so episode 570. We have a very rich man here today, Sam Seder. He's a guy that loves rich people. Anybody that's a billionaire, his favorite people. Absolute big fan. And he's going to tell us why today. We've had him on before. I always respect anybody...

that is willing to come on, that may have opposing ideas, to sit down and have a conversation. Sam, it's great to have you back on here again. It's a pleasure to be here. I just want to say that some of my best friends are rich people. I believe you. I believe that you have a lot of rich friends. Trust me, I believe you. Now, the question is, you want them to get taxed 90%.

But we'll have that conversation as well. Well, a lot of top marginal rate of 90 of 90 percent. Right. But you're rich, too, Sam. Let's not. Oh, no, I am rich as well. You're rich, too. OK, we got a lot of stories to talk about. Sam is obviously a diehard fan of Elon Musk. He wants to give some more praise to him today. We'll talk a little bit about him. We'll talk about terrorists with Liberation Day.

One of the stories CNBC host hits Trump with insult. He'll hate amid tanking stock market. We'll talk about that story. Frustration grows with Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick ahead of Trump's tariff announcement. Loose cannon with half-baked ideas.

Another story about private companies added 155,000 jobs in March, more than expected, ADP says. Hooters, bankruptcy, devastating for a lot of people. $376 million debt and restructuring. Charlie Javis must wear an ankle monitor despite her budding Pilates career. Judge rules. Gen Z is facing a career apocalypse. Stephen A. Smith drops mountain of receipts.

On MSNBC writer who called his MAGA mouthpiece. We'll play that clip. ESPN's Monica McNutt claims Kaitlyn Clark is popular because she's a white girl from middle America. This TikTok deal is getting very interesting. We don't know whether Amazon's going to buy it, whether Andreessen Horowitz is going to buy it, whether they're both going to be involved. There's a lot of interesting people saying they're going to buy it. So eventually one person will. Who that is, we don't know.

There's a couple stories here with Vanguard, Sam Guard gets real, Sam Seder gets real about Anna Kasparian and Cenk Uygur spills the tea on the young Turks. I think that may be an older story, but we'll cover it anyway since it's been a couple years. Elon Musk to the five on Tesla attacks. We know who is behind it, and we are coming for them. Obama was working against Kamala Harris behind the scenes. Didn't think she could win. New book reveals.

Nevada schools ban trans athletes from girls sports and major reversal from state. We'll cover that part, and then we've got a couple other stories here. Democrats' approval rating remains low point. Unhinged Jasmine Crockett roasts herself by admitting she's a DEI hire. Which story is that? Sky News. Trump administration freezes funding to Maine.

for letting trans athletes in girls' sports, massive layoffs hitting health agencies that track disease and regular food. Female fencer takes a knee, forfeits in protest of transgender opponents. Texas high school football star. This is a devastating story. Austin Metcalf stabbed in the heart, left to die in twin's brother arm at track meet. And the dad react. This is going to be a tough one to watch, folks, when we go through it. Yeah.

We're talking about it right before the podcast. Elon Musk's 24 hours, a Wisconsin Supreme Court loss, Tesla sales plunge, and reports he may soon leave role in Trump's White House. Yahoo News will cover that story. And then Nashville police in final report downplay covenant shooters, transgender identity.

hatred of Christianity. That's a Daily Wire story, and we've got a few other things that we'll cover as well. Before we get into the podcast, guys, we want a million people to support the Future Looks Bright gear. We are getting very close to it. We got something unique that came in. Just so you guys know, I only, and I mean I only, wear the Valuetainment wallet. This is all I have. I think Adam's the same as well.

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Trump wasn't having a lot of victories. Trump was at a very low. Republicans were not convinced that he could go. Republicans were thinking it's probably going to be DeSantis or it's going to be somebody else. There was a bit of a split in the Republican Party and the MAGA. Like, I don't know. Even when he opened up his announcement that he's running at Mar-a-Lago, there was not a lot of people there. People were saying, I don't even know if this person was in there, that person wasn't there, this person wasn't there. And then you get these CNN polls. Rob, if you can pull up the CNN video.

showing where the Democratic Party is at today, played this clip, and I want to ask you, Sam, what happened to the Democratic Party? Go for it.

Holy Toledo. Voters' views of the Democrats in Congress among all voters disapprove 68%. And look at the approved number, just 21%, even lower than the Democratic Party at large. This is the lowest on record for Democrats, according to Quinnipiac University polling. You think these numbers are bad? Let's go to this side of the screen. We'll look at how Democratic voters feel. Get this, the plurality of Democratic voters disapprove of Democrats in Congress at 49%, and just 5%.

40% approved. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Oh my goodness gracious, you just can't get worse than these numbers. And this is the number right here really driving all of this. If Democrats have turned, if Democratic voters have turned on Democrats in Congress and the Democratic Party, that's what puts the numbers at historic lows. What is it they want to be seeing, these voters? What is going on? I'll tell you what's going on. They don't like what's coming out of some of those Senate Democrats like Chuck Schumer, because take a look at the direction of the

party, Democratic voters on Democrats in Congress doing too little to oppose Donald Trump. Look at this. Seventy seven percent should stay principled, even if it means nothing gets done in Washington, D.C. Sixty five percent. And this sixty five percent is such a difference from where we were in 2017 at this point, when just thirty three percent of Democrats say they should stay principled.

compared to 59% who said they want to compromise. Democrats do not want compromise at this point. They want a fighter. They want to go into the ring like Muhammad Ali did against Sonny Liston. They want to take down the Republicans. They do not want this compromise anymore. They want to be more like Republicans, get up to that stage and fight. And right now they feel like their leaders in Congress are simply put not doing so. And that is why their approval rating for congressional Democrats is at an all-time low, even among Democrats.

Rob, if you want to pause that. Sam, what happened? What happened to the Democratic Party? Well, I should start by saying I always thought that Trump would be the nominee. And two years ago, I was wondering why Ron DeSantis was lighting his career on fire by trying to run against Donald Trump, to be honest with you. I think, you know, Trump and the Republican Party, I think they're one in the same. And so that doesn't surprise me. Those numbers...

are some of the most encouraging numbers I've seen in the 20-some-odd years I've been doing this, because I want to see it communicated to Democratic leadership that we want you to fight.

And I've been writing Chuck Schumer for, you know, 10 years trying to get him. I mean, Harry Reid was a great, I think, as far as they go, leader of the Senate for Democrats. But it is I think it's time for new leadership in the Democratic Party. We need a and this is not even ideological from my perspective, but.

I think there are Democrats that I agree with and Democrats that I disagree with on an ideological standpoint. But I think a different generation of Democrats understand that the Republican Party is in transit. There is no negotiating with them. I think the biggest thing that Joe Biden, the biggest mistake that Joe Biden made was following the American Rescue Act.

which was a massive boon to the American public. We cut child poverty by 45 percent in a year. I just want to repeat that. We cut child poverty by 45 percent in a year because of that that act when Biden first got in.

And you know what Republicans were talking about after we we passed bills that cut child poverty in a year, that extended unemployment benefits, that provided food stamps, that provided health insurance. Republicans were talking about two books that the Dr. Seuss publisher decided not to publish.

And so in my mind, the Republican Party there is completely bankrupt of ideas. And Joe Biden, instead of pushing through Build Back Better over that summer...

He opened the door for the Republicans to give a proposal that went nowhere for three months. Then he opened the door for Kyrsten Sinema and Rob Portman to come in and give a proposal. And that ultimately, I think, is when Democratic voters started getting impatient with Biden because we were thinking five trillion dollar, four trillion dollar. Joe Manchin was saying six trillion dollar bill back better bill.

And we never got anything like that. It ended up getting split into the IRA, which...

was a good bill, but I think insufficient. And then infrastructure stuff, also important, but insufficient. And so I think what you're seeing is frustration from Democratic voters who are saying, A, you're not fighting. B, you're allowing the Republicans too much opportunity. And C, we need more government intervention. Do you think it's more that they're not fighting, or do you think that their policies are simply bad policies and they're not landing?

No, I think it's that they're not fighting. What are their policies? So tell me what policies are, like right now, the Democratic Party. Who is the face of the Democratic Party, and what are the top three things you guys stand for? Well, I don't think there is a face of the Democratic Party at the moment. I mean, Chuck Schumer is nominally the highest elected Democratic official that's out there.

That's not a good sign for you guys. 100%. I agree. I call for him to resign every day. I don't know that there is a single...

I don't think the Democratic Party has coalesced around an agenda. This is we're having a where there's a fight within the Democratic Party. Do you have someone you like that you would you would want to see or do you want to see the capitalistic competitive philosophy of somebody just comes out and let's see who it is?

Because if there is... Even you right now, Sam. Capitalistic? I don't understand. What I mean by capitalistic, like competitive. Let's just see who comes out of the competition. Competition predates capitalism. Yeah, so that's good. The competition is a good thing. Yeah, I know. I mean, I think... Yeah, obviously, there's going to be a competition. Is there anyone you like? Well, I think there are policies that I like that are expressed by, like, Sanders and AOC on their tour, their anti-oligarchy tour. I mean, obviously. I think there are other...

you know, uh, policies that are floating around that, that I don't know that they're necessarily embodied in politicians yet. People are looking, there's a lot of stuff that Tim walls did in, um,

in Minnesota that I think is great. Putting the tampons in the bathroom, which was my favorite. Putting them in the men's bathroom. That was probably one of the best ones. Because that's the type of policy that I think that we need in the country. Tell me what Walsh did that you liked. Substantially, statistically, that Walsh did. I think things like...

lunches for, for kids, expanding educational opportunities. Uh, wait a minute. There weren't lunches for kids. There wasn't federal money from the party. Free lunches for kids. Yeah. Okay. Well, uh,

No, let's go. I really want to hear it because a lot of this was federal money that just floated. I really want to know what was so substantial during things. Well, other states reject. I mean, expansion of Medicare and Medicaid. I should say Medicaid in Minnesota. He provided for... Expansion to who specifically? Through the ACA, to people making 400% of poverty.

He's got... Wait a minute. Medicaid is designed, if I walk in with a broken leg to a public hospital, right, that Medicaid is there to take care of me if I'm destitute and unable to it. That's a good thing. And that's exactly the things that California did. And that's... It was already there. What was expanded about that in Minnesota? There's...

It's you're expanding the pool of people who can access Medicaid on a state by state basis. There are still, I don't know, half a dozen states, Republican states that don't don't allow that expansion of Medicaid.

Okay, so you're not aware of that? Yeah, I'm absolutely aware of it. But what I want to ask you is when you expand Medicaid, it is a fact that basically you close the public hospitals. And so what you're talking about, the things he did in— That's not true. Oh, yeah? Ask Gavin Newsom. Ask him what happened to King Drew in Los Angeles. This is well documented. I'm stunned you don't know that. No, you can do a choice if you want to close a public—I mean, Andrew Cuomo closed a lot of public hospitals recently.

in New York State. That's not a function of Medicaid payments. You want to go take a look at California and King Drew and what happened? Gavin Newsom himself talked about it. I'm not a fan of Gavin Newsom, but you're asking me about Waltz. No, we didn't ask about Waltz. You were talking about it. You said you like some of the things Waltz was doing. He asked me what I like about Tim Waltz. And I wanted one of the specifics of the things that he did.

Right. Okay. So, but continue with the following, Sam, if you don't mind, because this is what I'm trying to find out. Yeah. So one, the Republican Party, like you said, I knew two years ago that Trump would be at the Santas, all this other stuff. Right. We were on the same page. I thought it was going to be him. But a lot of Republicans were a little bit still staying safe and hesitant of whether they were going to go all in or not the first time you and I spoke. But today-

When I said, who do you like? What policies? You said, I like what AOC is doing. You said Sanders, anti-oligarchy, all that stuff, right? I have a different, I think, way of looking at politics maybe than you do. It's not for me, like, if a candidate emerges...

who embraces a wider set of my preferred policies, that's the one I'll support. I don't really get too involved in the individual, frankly. I mean, you know, Joe Biden was not my favorite candidate by a long shot in 2020. The fact that

there were coalitions built out of Warren and Sanders supporters that ended up bringing us a much better set of labor policies than we've seen in my lifetime from my perspective, with the National Labor Relations Board, with just the appointments of people like Abruzzo as the general counsel there,

the extension of unions ability to unionize and helping working people in that way and then the antitrust regime that

Was largely a function of like the war nights putting in their people to undermine big concentration of money and power. Those are big positives. So, you know, do I like Joe Biden? No. But I also know that if there are the right coalitions formed that that have, you know, influence within the context of an administration, that's good from my perspective.

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It shifts when people all of a sudden look at you and they say, I don't like these ideas anymore. So in the Democratic Party, you have a lot of different people that would have different policies. Hey, I think we should do this, and I think we should do that. Great. Obviously, it didn't land November 5th, 2024, whether it was Kamala Harris, whether it was the policies, whether it's seven states you lose, battleground states you lose, whether it's the majority. It was a bad loss. It was a humiliating loss. One could say...

It was Kamala. One could say it was Obama. One could say it was Biden stepping. One could say it's Schumer. One could say it's Pelosi. Let's set that part aside. To me, the most basic part is ideas. If someone has ideas that's producing results that people like, they want to continue that. Right. And we watched like if I ask a Democrat, even right now, I ask you for 15 minutes, I

I still don't know if Democrats know what they're for. Like, well, I'm not, you know, I'm not speaking for the democratic party. I can tell you what I'm for. Tell me what you're for. Oh, I, I am for, uh, universal healthcare, single payer healthcare. Yep. I am for increased ability to unionize. I am for, uh,

decommodifying parts of the housing sector. I am for decommodifying power. I am for decommodifying access to the internet. I mean, those are my big ones right there. Who in your party is for that? Well, who in the Democratic Party is for that? I don't know that there's...

Anybody who in our party who embraces all of those, I mean, that that is a major political figure. I mean, I think I'm to the left of the Democratic Party, but I think there are elements of what I want that are represented by people in the Democratic Party. I mean, I think having a a.

A very jaundiced eye to the overwhelming concentration of wealth and wealth disparity, I think, is a fundamental problem that we have in this country. I think too much of what happens in this country is a function of the concentration of wealth. I mean, that gets back to why I want to return back to the tax regime we had in the 50s and the 60s.

where the top marginal rate was 90% for every dollar above what in what today's money would be about $4 million. So, and just to explain this, because I've seen so many people on the right, not understand marginal tax rates that it's almost disturbing. The first million dollars that you earn is taxed at 32% or whatever the prevailing rate is. The second

$2 million, you earn 32%. The third, 32%, because I think that's the highest. Maybe it's 37% is the highest.

Once you get over $4 million, every extra dollar after that is taxed at a 90% rate. That's what you want. That is what we had in this country for several decades in the post-World War. But why do you think that's good, though? Because we talked about this. Why do you think that's good? I'll tell you. Because it flattens wealth disparity. Okay. And that is when you have the greatest expansion of the economy. Right. When...

the wealth of the country is shared by as many people as possible. Obviously, it's not everybody gets the same amount, but... Do you think that's a popular idea? Do you think 80% of Americans want that? I think if I was to show Americans... You've been showing for 20 years now. No, no, no. Put up a graph of income disparity. Right.

You put up a graph of income disparity. Americans are shocked when they realize how much money is held by the top 1% in this country. Really, the top 0.1% relative to the rest. I mean, like literally a handful of families have more money and more wealth in this country than families.

50% of the population. There's so many questions to that. For me, the question is the following. Here's where I'm trying to go with it. You show that to 80% of Americans and there's no questions. You're going to be like, what the fuck? You know what else you can show? You can't because you're a guest. I can't? You can't. C-A-N. You can't. You're a guest. So if somebody could go and say, okay, why don't you pull up

who pays the most taxes in America. The top 1% pays 50% of taxes in America. Okay, so you can give that argument. So to me, if we go back and forth, but this is the part I want to do with this specific argument, this specific idea, where I want to go with a guy like you, okay, is I think sometimes like the Democratic Party, you go to a message and you know how Trump tests things out. Yeah, Greenland, we go, it's Greenland, Greenland, Greenland, Greenland, Greenland, Greenland.

Yeah, Greenland, it's going to be one way or another. We're not going to go to war, but one way or another. Yeah, you know, third term, I'm not talking about third term, but a lot of people are talking about third term, third term, third term. Yeah, you know, Canada should just be a 51st state. Governor Trudeau, Governor Trudeau, Governor Trudeau, Governor Trudeau. Trump will throw these things out there, okay? And then the market reacts to it. And the market will say, what the, what is he talking about? And then I believe,

this is because this is how i do it as a business owner you kind of i'll be in front of i'll never forget one time i brought nine of my guys and i dropped an idea on them you should have seen the reaction on everybody you know what the reaction was they looked at me like i was high they looked at me like i am on shrooms they're like what the pat respectfully these are terrible ideas so you know what happens to business owner they're so used to coming up with bad ideas what do they do they move on with

with bad ideas. So to me, Trump gets up there and says, what do you think about this? And then he looks, he says, okay, what's the guy that I respect? Okay, this guy's pretty reasonable. What did he say? What did she say? Okay, let's move on. To the Democratic side, somebody like you. But I would... But let me just finish the point. I'll come to you. Trust me, I want to hear from you. To me, it's, I feel like the Democrats, like you, okay, you have a voice. People watch you. You're an influencer in your community. And you actually have the ability to kind of go and

Help your community out. Help your party out. There are certain policies that you keep pitching that is no longer popular, that's been exposed so many times because what we learned, like the biggest part why some of the conservatives like the Doge concept and some of the Democrats that like the Doge concept is it's government wasted expenditure. Obama talked about it. Clinton's talked about it. People on the left have talked about it for many, many years. And the average person watches this and says,

Okay, so after $4 million, you want to put the tax rate at 90%? Yes, I do. Okay, so all you're saying is that the government knows how to use my money better than free enterprise? I don't believe that. So that's where the argument stops. That's not the premise of why I want to do that taxation. I mean, the government will redistribute the money.

And that's no longer a popular idea in America. I, that's the part where you see the young Turks kind of growing and evolving and seeing some of the ideas that kind of is not popular. I listen. The fact of the matter is government always redistributes money. It always redistributes money. Every government at every moment is redistributing money. The question is which direction is that money flowing? That's it. There is no doubt.

Governments redistribute money at every moment. The question is which direction is... How successful are they at it? What? How successful have they been at it? How good are they at it? How much waste have they done with redistributing money? Oh, there's no... Listen, there's no doubt in my mind. Like, look, we have a massive, massive military budget.

And if you want to look for waste and fraud in government, that is where you go. That's where all the money is. Everybody knows it. There's an enormous amount of waste and fraud. They can't even get through an audit. How many audits has it been? Half a dozen? Social Security. And they can't pass a single audit. Social Security is audited all the time. Do you know how much money? Let's talk about this for a second. I watched the video of you guys on the plane down.

of when Elon Musk was in Wisconsin blowing up his whole brand, essentially. And he was on stage with a guy named Garcia. Do you guys remember this video? Of course. Yeah. Okay. It was like two days ago. Yes. The social security numbers spiking in the last four years. The social security numbers. 2.2 million new non-citizen social security numbers. Yes. And the amount of misinformation from every single person, all of you,

was astonishing to me. What was it? What was the misinformation that was said? I almost feel like we should go through the whole video. This is coming from a socialist. No, no, no. The level of credibility of a socialist is a system that has never worked. But I want to hear it. That is anti-oligarchs. But I want to hear it. I want to hear it. Go for it. First off, you seem to not understand that these were not undocumented immigrants who were getting these social security numbers.

They are non-citizens. Now, when you came to this country, you were an immigrant. Your parents came legally. Every single one of those people who got those Social Security numbers are here legally. They're not citizens, just like you weren't when you first came to this country. You get a green card. Your parents get a green card. They go through a process. All of those people.

And understand, they got their Social Security card. I really want to see your point. Well, the point is you referred to them as undocumented and illegal. You did. I said non-citizen. Excuse me. Don't say everyone here. I said non-citizen. Correct yourself. I can't remember which one of you got it wrong. I think you did. Just be specific. You're thinking, but I don't know. We can play the video and go through it. I'm still trying to get to the point. Well, the point is they're not illegal. They're not undocumented. They're all legal. Right.

The expansion from that program, the EBE program, which is Enumeration Beyond Entry, was started under the Trump administration. The numbers have gone up because, yes, under Biden, as opposed to Trump, there was an expansion of people who we hear, like, you know, probably, I'm not sure. A lot of illegals. No, no, excuse me. Ten plus million. Not a single one of them. Record-breaking number of people came in. Hold on, you're changing the subject now.

I'm talking about that video and every one of those social security numbers that was handed out. How do you feel about the illegal immigrants that came those four years? You don't care about those people. You cared about children. But you don't want to talk about this and I don't blame you because it's embarrassing. Every one of those social security numbers. Do a quick timeout here. Sam, let me just do a quick timeout.

You said you don't want to talk about this. You just spun away from a question I asked you and you brought this up. You haven't even addressed the question I asked you. Wait a minute. The point that I asked, let's go back to what I asked you. I asked you a question.

that the money that's going in, Americans prove that they don't trust the government getting the money than free market, free enterprise. I don't think that's the case. You never addressed that. I don't think that's the case. People love Social Security. People love Medicare. The wasted expenditure, what we learned with Doge. The American people said, Sam, enough of you taking our tax money and see what you're doing with it.

Elon Musk made that Wisconsin election of a referendum on Doge. To the extent that we've seen anybody vote on Doge, nobody heard the word Doge before November of last year. To the extent that we've seen a referendum on Doge, it just happened in Wisconsin. It happened in Florida, where the size of the win by those Republican congressmen was cut by 17, 20 points. I mean, this is a wipeout.

And in every Republican, you're going to see a difference in Republican lawmakers over the next year and a half, because anybody who was in a plus Trump eight district or less is now starting to go like, wait a second. That's why Musk is being shown the door, supposedly. So getting back to my point about those Social Security numbers, they were given all to legal non-citizens and every one of those cards is.

You can't vote because I think you definitely said, and I think maybe you said that this is a democratic strategy to get voters. Hold on for a second.

This Social Security card that they get literally says not legitimate for voting purposes. It is so that these non-citizens who are legal, just like when you came in, pay into the Social Security system and many of them never get that money back. So in addition to the undocumented immigrants who pay in $22 billion a year...

into Social Security and get zero back, these people pay several billion dollars in a year, and only if they become citizens, which most of them won't. Most of them will go back home over a period of time. They're here for temporary protected status. Maybe some of them are refugees, and they get permanent citizenship.

They won't get that money either. So every single thing of that video, this video here was completely wrong that you guys did. It was fascinating to me because I feel like you, at the very least, I, I believe that you care about the information you're putting out and

And this was all wrong. So they're up there. So, Sam, this is all a lie. These guys were up there just completely bullshitting with all the numbers. Or he's saying that people in the government are blowing the whistles. He didn't want to say their names. He was giving them praise. And for some, Sam, for you to say that you care, you care about the kids and the labor and all that stuff. We've had an open border for four years. And all the illegals, way more than 10 million, have come into this country. California, is that where you live?

No. Where do you live? I live in New York. Okay, great. Even better. California. So the amount of money that we spent on illegals with housing and all that shit and Gavin Newsom passing a law that you don't even need an ID to vote. You're saying that we're coming up with where these people aren't coming in for the votes? That's the main goal of this whole thing. What was the open border for? Why was the border open for four years? Answer me that question. First of all, the border was not open. Are you kidding me? Look at the...

What do you mean the border wasn't open? Hold on. Did you smoke before you came in here? That's ridiculous. By the way, Vinny, here's the part, though. You're full of it, bro. Here's the part. Get out of here. Sam, here's the part when I hear this. Okay. Anybody can look at that video. The things you were saying yesterday was a complete sack of lies. Or just misinformation. Be honest with me. Immigration year over year over year. Sam. Illegal immigration year over year. The fact that you're saying the border wasn't wide open. How many deaths?

How many deaths have happened? How many fentanyl deaths have happened per year while your freaking president, Joe Biden, was in office? How many Americans died just from fentanyl and you're saying the border wasn't wide open? We've had the most illegal entry in four years in the history of the country. I'll answer you.

finished and this is why your party sucks. This is why your party is at 29% approval because you got 20. Thank you. Because all you guys do is talk shit and just go anti-Trump. You have no policies. You guys have no vision. You have no leaders. You're talking about

oligarchs and you hate the oligarchs what do you think bernie sanders and aoc are going to get their money from their donors are you like don't lie to yourself for you to look and like brother you're talking about yesterday we lie aoc and bernie sanders don't hold on ready for this you're you're saying that we lied two days ago you just lied and you're gonna look like a fool that the border wasn't wide open look at this chart what does that chart say to you so what what is that what did what did trump when trump was in he was trying to close it but your party was fighting it it's

unbelievable how many illegals have come in the past 100 days. This is the part to just be very... Just show the data. Illegal immigration. This is Wall Street Journal.

is a bigger problem than ever. Oh, no, that's fake news. These five charts explain why. Go a little bit lower. That's under Biden. Trump got shot trying to show these charts. Literally. This is October of 2023. Go to the next one. A guy who was registered in the public. Here's another one for you. Hold on. Can I address what his rant was? Let me just show the data, and then I want you to say what you want to say. Go a little bit lower with the data, Ron. No, because he said it's inaccurate. This is a big problem.

This is another one. OK, well, go back up. Go back up to the end and go to the last one. Go to the last one. Go to the top one. I mean, this is all of these charts. This is you start one by one. Go up. Explain every one of them. OK, yeah, go ahead. Yeah. You can see that this is what constitutes illegal immigration. These are if it was an open border, you would not have these numbers.

You would not have the numbers to know when Title 42 ends, more people are coming to the border and they're being put into a system. Period. That's the best part about it. Because they were told to come. When your president says, come to the country. Is he just going to yell all the time? No, I'm not yelling. You just give me facts. Can I turn down his microphone? You can. Just see which one he is. I think he's seat three or which one is it, Rob? Seat three. Seat three. Go ahead. Lower that right there. And then the mic. Right there.

There you go. Is that good? C2. Oh, C2. There you go. Okay, go for it. All right. Go ahead. Okay, go ahead. All right. So... You're still going to hear the truth, though. Go ahead. No, no, I'm happy to. Can't turn down the truth is what you're saying. No, you can't. Open border would mean that we have no records of people coming across the border. The law in this country has been that if you...

If you put your foot in this country, it's an international law. It's a U.S. law. If you put your foot in this country and you apply for asylum, you are due a process to do that. Ninety eight percent of of those people who are then what you guys would call catch and release come back for their hearings.

We are woefully understaffed in terms of like immigration judges. And that process is definitely broken. I would love to see more money spent in the processing of these people so that we can establish which ones like your family, like my family as well, illegal immigrants. No, no, but, but came in through a refugee status. They weren't citizens on day one. They came in, they went through a process and,

And they it's possible at that time. I mean, I remember, you know, I was old enough to remember the Iran hostage situation. I remember the the fallout afterwards. There may have been some form of temporary protected status, whatever was at the time that allows people to come in. Then they're assessed and processed. It's determined that, yes, their claim for asylum is appropriate or not, et cetera, et cetera.

That's what we're looking at there. As you as you scroll up on those other other charts, you can see when when Title 42 ends, which was only supposed to be an emergency situation for half that has to do with health. And you can't have it both ways. Either COVID ends or it doesn't end the pandemic. And so people come in. There's no doubt. And that number on that chart that Musk had.

Under Biden, more people receive temporary protected status. We had a problem in Haiti as the country has fallen apart. You had people from Ukraine coming in because of, obviously, the invasion. These are all under temporary protected status. They all got Social Security numbers so they could pay taxes into our government and not necessarily get the services back. And vote for Democrats. No, they can't vote. Those Social Security cards literally say on the card, say you can't.

AOC said we don't have an illegal immigration problem. We have a documentation problem. That's what AOC said. So this is not something new. You know how when you talk about who's better at gerrymandering, who's better at gerrymandering, the left or the right? Republicans seem to be better at that. Republicans are much better at that. I agree. Guess what? So it's not like they can fight it and say, no, we're not. That's their reputation. They have it. They're better at gerrymandering. Strategically, they're better at doing that.

But when for you to sit here, I don't have a problem. May I make my point? Let me make my point. When I, when you sit here and you watch yourself, when you're saying these policies and you spew out these policies, what the average person does, they'll watch it. And if they've already outgrown it, because today the problem with, you know, folks, content creators have today's the following. Say we say something on a video and we're wrong.

You know what others will do? They'll react to it and they'll say stuff to it. And if we're right, they'll keep coming to us to want to hear more of it because they'll say, at least you sound reasonable. And they'll say, you know, I have to, I want to hear what John has to say. I want to hear what Joe has to say. I want to hear what Megan has to say. I want to hear what, you know, whoever these people are that are given ideas that they want to say, right? But when you keep saying stuff,

that others are able to tear apart so many times that a liberal, a former liberal watches that maybe was a viewer of you and says, how can Sam not see this and outgrow it? He is still stuck on this policy that's been proven. Americans don't want to pay more taxes to a government that wastes their taxes. How does he not see that? How does he keep pushing this agenda back and forth? Then you lose an audience and the people you keep as the following. Here's who you end up keeping. You

You end up keeping an audience that makes you think you're right, but that's not always the case. You keep an audience that, of course, hates rich people. Rich people are bad people, and they're probably not making a lot of money, and they come to Sam to save them. Hey, let's trash and bash rich people because this is what we got to do. Yes, Sam, let's go after the rich people. Are you talking about me? Because we just had our biggest month.

And when people on my show... You had the biggest fun because of Jubilee. You were on Jubilee and you were on that show. We've been going back up. No, you were on Jubilee and Jubilee gave you a lot of eyeballs. So Jubilee brought a lot of traffic to you. A lot of people agreed.

A lot of, I mean, no, no, no. I mean, a lot of people agreed. Did more agree or disagree? I would say a lot more agreed. Well, you would say that because you're in it. Well, I mean, you want me to do metrics? We had our biggest subscription. I believe you because Jubilee helped you. Okay. But my point is, is that. You should say thank you to Jubilee. That's a, that's a very. Thank you Jubilee. Yeah. I would also add that, like, I think there are definitely people.

who watch my show and then over a period of time are going, I disagree with Sam. And proudly, those people move to the left of where I'm at. You think people move to the left? 100%. Sam, do you realize how to make a statement? And I love that you said it. Oh, it's true. I love that you said it. So you think people who age and live longer, they go further to the left than to the right?

You think as people mature in life... Am I the oldest person on this? No, you're not. I'm pretty close, I bet. No, you're pretty far. It's just the other guy looks very young. How old are you? He's 62. You got me by three years. Yeah, so you're not. You're 59, dude. Good for you. But do you think as people age, they become more conservative or more liberal, more leftist?

I think it changes with generations. No, that's not the case. There is a evident more of one or the other. Do you think, like it's asking a question, do you think as we age, do our bones get stronger or weaker? They get weaker. As we age, do we become more leaning? Okay, this is a chart. Perfect. Thank you for that. Pew Research. As we age, we become more conservative.

But to you, the more you age, the more you become progressive and leftist. See, that's the part where Americans, as they age and go through, you may have a very young audience that finds you. This, I think if you look at this chart, and first of all, you'll also notice that like the dynamic shifts, right? If what you were saying was true, 70 to 79%

would be a greater Republican favor than 60 to 69. I don't know what to tell you. You're so funny. But I will also tell you. I'm starting to realize what your shtick is. What are my shticks? I'm looking at the numbers. You put up a list of graphs. 18 to 24 is 34. Then it goes to 32. Oh, my God. They became more liberal because they went to college and they screwed up their brains. Wait, wait. And then they go to 40 to 47, 50, 50. Oh, they dropped to 51 and they go to 58. Nope. They're becoming more liberals at 70 to 79.

Do you know why 70 to 79 become more liberal? Do you know why 70 to 79 becomes more liberal? Do you know why 70 to 79 becomes more liberal? Yes, because they're getting Social Security. Exactly. So they've got to protect it. So they're like, hey, man, at least, yeah, I agree. But still at 80 plus, they're more conservative. You know why 80 plus, they're more conservative? I will also suggest to you that it has to do with the years that you grow up in. It's the same thing I said to you last time as well. People 50 to 59...

grew up in a Reagan era and a Thatcher era. And as in, in the wake of that, you can see that people are more progressive, increasing. Why did Charlie Kirk blow up so much the last four years?

Specifically 18 months. Why did he blow up on TikTok out of all the places? How do you blow up on TikTok? Do you know he was the most viewed Jubilee out of all of them? Did you see that? I think so. Can you see how many views Charlie Kirk got on Jubilee? That's inconvenient. This is just absolute. Why do you think Charlie Kirk blew up though? I have theories. I want to hear it. How did he start? How did Charlie Kirk start?

I don't care how he started. No, no, no, no. I'm asking how he's finishing. How did he grow up so much in the last 18 months? Going to colleges? No, no. Speaking in front of colleges? What do you mean? Yeah, how did that TPUSA get started? Tell us. Let's see what angle you're going to... My assumption is he was going to college talking to students. I actually want to hear what he says because I'm watching these two times... He got paid by a billionaire to start that organization. Oh, got it. It's just the truth. So there is no conviction. What's wrong with that? There's...

Listen, there's nothing wrong with it. So there's no conviction on what Charlie does? No, no. I'm sure there's conviction on what Charlie does. Why did Charlie do so in the last 18 months? I mean. Why do you think? A 20-year-old guy, why is he blowing up the way that he is? Well, he's not 20. He's 28 years old, 29, 30 years old. No, he's 30 now. He's 30 now, but he started when he was 20. Yeah. The last two years, he was in his 20s. Why has he blown up so much?

I mean, I think there's a lot of money circulating on the right. But he started when he was 18. Sam, Sam, Sam. To go to college is... To blame it on the money. What about his voice, his reason, his rationale? He's compelling. By the way, by the way. So here's a question. Here's a question. So you think if you got the same money Charlie got, you would have the same views?

Yeah, I think, you know, I saw Milo Yiannopoulos on Tim Pool about a month or two ago talking about how the Daily Wire got so big. And he said, this is Milo Yiannopoulos. Well, he said... Charlie's different than Daily Wire. 100%. He said, in the right-wing content era, he said...

We buy. We buy bots. We buy views. I'm telling you what Milo Yiannopoulos said. Go ahead. This is what he said. Go ahead. Pull it up. And he said, we fake it till we make it. And that's why he's nonexistent anymore. He used to be a big voice. Now you don't hear nothing about him. Sam, respectfully, there's something called giving credit where credit is due.

Regardless of where Charlie got his money. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't care. I'll give him credit. Charlie Kirk has made a lot of money. But that's not where the credit is due. What do you want me to say? And I don't even know how much money he's made. The point is he's motivated a lot of people. That's where the credit should be done. He's changed the hearts and minds of people on campuses. He would arguably be the number one reason that Trump flipped Arizona. To not give someone credit...

For the good work they've done and blaming on a billionaire. Musk's money flipped Arizona. You look at TPUSA played heavily in the Cary Lake race. Huge. And the biggest, the widest loss they had was people under the age of 30.

Okay. So you don't want to give Charlie any credit? No, I don't care. But Sam, hold on. Give him all the credit in the world. Sam, before being a nihilist. I'll give him a trophy. Sam, you've had. Let me just ask this question. What does he want? He can take the car. I don't give Charlie money. We're right here. I don't think Charlie needs anything. Charlie won on TikTok. So a billionaire gives Charlie money and he automatically wins. Okay. I got a question for you. Explain how Mark Benioff puts money into Time Magazine and it goes down.

I don't know who Mark Benioff is. I haven't read Time magazine in decades. Well, you should get around more. It's unfortunate. Come out of the echo chamber. Mark Benioff is one of the most successful entrepreneurs of all time who used his money after his business success, and he went and he buys Time magazine because he wants to push liberal views and values, and the thing is...

He would love it. He's a billionaire. It should work. Hit him up for money. We'll be getting out of my bubble, right? Yeah, but you know what it is. It's true. I like to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I truly do. And I try to look at the only one who can succeed in business and in life and in sales, like you're developing other people, is you have to always look at the best of everybody. You don't have a choice.

As a parent, you have to always look at the best of your kids. You don't have a choice for them to do their best, right? And I truly want to look at you and look at it from the part of the best to say capable, great communicator, temperament is solid. You go through it. I want to see all the good with you. But the part where you sit there and you realize some policies don't work,

The young policies don't work. Go to what? Name a policy that I support that doesn't work. What do you think about 90 percent tax rates? I would I would start there. Yeah. Like I say, when we have those in this country, this is everybody can look this up. We had what was known as the Great Compression. It was the greatest expansion of our of our economy and the lowest wealth disparity we had in the history of this country.

I don't know how you would define it, anything other than a success. Let me ask you a question. Let's stay right here on this 90% tax rate. 90%. Top marginal. Okay, I'm with you. So you get to keep 10%. No, no, no. 10% of every dollar after $4 million. Okay. No, well, here we go. I'm going to ask you a question. Like, stay with me for a second. You just said you had a great month, a great quarter, right? Like, you... Jubilee was a big help. Whatever it was, Jubilee. Jubilee says billionaires. Sure. Like, you know what billionaires are to Charles? How much...

additional profit revenue did you make in the last quarter because you've went viral so many times? How much? I mean, I don't know, but I would guess it's somewhere around tens of thousands, tens of thousands, not millions, tens of thousands. Okay. So what are you going to do with that extra 30 grand, a hundred grand? What are you going to do with it? We're going to hire another person. Oh, so you're going to expand. Well, I don't know if we're going to expand, but I, I'm going to, I'm going to probably, I mean, you're going to invest, right?

Well, I may invest in some of it. You're not just going to bury it in the sand. You're going to use it. Correct. Oh, wow. Here's the problem. No, no, no. Understand. This is the company. These are pre-tax dollars. When I say 90 cents on every dollar, I'm talking individual tax. So this is not about corporate tax. It wouldn't impact.

anything you're saying about the business, but go ahead. But we're talking about taxes in general. No, no, no. There's a difference between personal taxes and corporate taxes. Well, if you have an S Corp, it flows through to the individual. So it's the same thing. How are you registered with the, with the, uh, it's an IRS. Oh, it's pretty taxed. It's pretty taxed. It's literally what it does. It's the same as individual, but respect to you.

See, we don't have a problem with you making money and getting rich. We'll be okay with that. Honestly, I'm a little disappointed it was only tens of thousands of dollars. I wish it was millions of dollars. I wish the best for you. But here's the problem. You can't tax your way to making everybody wealthy. No, no, no. I'm not taxing my way to making everybody wealthy. I am taxing my... Understand, the 90% tax rate on every dollar after $4 million...

is to deal with wealth disparity in this country because I believe the more you concentrate wealth, the more you concentrate political power. Why 4 million? And I believe in democracy. Why 4 million? Just because that's what we had for 15, 20 years in this country. I mean, it was 470,000 in 1940. Why not do it at like 3,000? No, no, no.

Just because I'm a student of history and I really appreciate Ronald Reagan. Do you know the Reagan story of why he ended up running for governor and for president? Do you know the whole tax story? Let me give it to you real quick. I know the story of GE sending him around to fight against Medicare. Okay, but that's not the story we're talking about. The tax story that Ronald Reagan basically was like, holy crap, because everything with taxes has to do with incentives and motivation. So the story with Reagan was the following.

The top marginal tax rate back in the 40s and 50s when Ronald Reagan, before he became a governor, he was a famous what? Actor. Actor. There we go. We're on the same page. Was $200,000. And the equivalent of $200,000 today is $2.5 million. So at $200,000, the top marginal tax rate was your favorite number? 90%. 90%. We're going somewhere. So do you know his famous quote? I'll do two movies a year. I get paid $100,000 per movie.

Tell me why I should go make a third movie. Because if you're going to tax me at 90%. And you know what? He shouldn't. If you've seen his movies, we didn't miss much. No, no, no. Don't go there, guy. Don't go there, guy. I don't know what to tell you. Talk numbers. If you don't want to make a movie, don't make it. Stop it. The reason he wouldn't make the movie is because he would only keep 10%. He said famously, I can make freaking Gone with the Wind. I wouldn't keep any of the money. It has to do with, you said schtick.

carrots and sticks. If you don't incentivize people, if you don't incentivize entrepreneurs, why will they work harder? Why will they invest? You just had a great incentive. You killed it. You made tens of thousands of dollars. Do something with that money.

So what happens when Ronald Reagan gets to that threshold of the wealthiest of the wealthy in the country? Because that's what it takes, right? To be making $4 million a year. No, no, no. You're making up $4 million like a boozy. Okay, 2.5. It's $200,000. Yeah, let's use that. 2.5. That's what the correlation is. In today's. Yes, yes. So if you're making $2.5 million a year,

That places you in the top 1% or 2%, I would imagine, maybe even smaller. It's less. 0.5%. Yeah, top 1% is about $600,000, $500,000. So you're in the top 0.5% of the country. Just like you're in the top 1% of a podcaster. You're doing great. Top 0.5%. What happens when Ronald Reagan decides, I'm only going to make two movies a year is...

You get an opportunity to be that actor. And then somebody else gets the opportunity to make that money. So shittier actors get more opportunities. It sounds like DEI. No, it's not. Believe me, I've been out in L.A. The best actors don't necessarily get every role.

And so it gives an opportunity to spread the wealth. Oh, it's about centralized subjective fairness on the altar of greed and jealousy. That's what it is. Because it's not fair that all of these people work their ass off and did and achieve something. We have to stop them and go get someone else who maybe isn't working hard. It's so unfair.

fair. Are you telling me that there aren't enough hardworking actors who get to... No, no, no. Stop changing it. That's your stick. That's what you're sticking with. No, it's not. I'm asking you a question here because it's about greed and jealousy, isn't it? So the greed that you attack is the greed that you have. You're sitting there. These people must have been greedy. They got all this money and everything. And you're

envious and you're greedy for their money so we're going to take it from them. It should be 90%. They'll keep making... Oh, but that's good because now we've stopped them from making good movies. I think it's pretty obvious to everybody how jealous I am of all of you. No, it's not. Not everyone. Your point about incentives. That is why...

Ronald Reagan brought in Arthur Laffer. The Laffer Curve, yes, of course. Explain it. Laffer Curve says that the higher you go up on taxes, the least incentive there is for people to make money. Or to try harder or to earn more and work harder and stay late and be an entrepreneur and try to build something. Exactly. But the lower you have taxes, you can actually lower taxes and you'll get more revenue because these people are going to actually be more incentivized because they get to keep more.

Arthur Laffer was the key advisor to Sam Brownback when he became governor of Kansas in 2012. You can look this up. People just have to Google Sam Brownback, Kansas, 2012. What happened with the great Kansas experiment? He did exactly what Arthur Laffer said. He slashed taxes, slashed taxes for S-Corps, etc.,

Within, I think it was two or three years, the Republican legislature rose taxes because revenues had cratered so badly and they had so destroyed what was once the jewel of Kansas, their education system, their higher education system. They rose taxes.

Okay. Well, there you go. I mean, there it is. Kansas provides compelling evidence of the failure of supply side tax cuts, which is exactly what you're at. Do you know how many, do you have any case examples I can show of, of cutting taxes, help states, helps companies, help people. Show me one.

How do you think this company that we're sitting... Hold on. Show me a state. Sam, hold on. Google the state. You want to throw out some... How do you think this company right here... Wait, wait, wait. Let him say that and respond to it. Okay? So, for example, where are we at right now? What state? Florida. Okay. Can you tell me why, out of all the 50 states in America in 2024 that voted for president, why did 50 for 50 state become more Republican?

Can you tell me why out of 50 states that voted for president 2024, can you tell me why the two states that lost the most people, the only two states in America that lost a trillion dollars of money under management that left their states to another state like Nevada, Texas, and Florida. Can you tell me why those two states, imagine New York and California.

during COVID lost a trillion dollars of wealth that left to other states. And even after all those people that left, the two states that became more Republican than they were before in 2020 were New York and Texas. Can you tell me why people come to Texas? Why do people go to Nevada? Why do people go to Florida? Why do you think it is?

Is it because maybe they don't have state taxes? Why do you think Arthur Lafferty is in Tennessee? Why do you think Musk is in Texas? Why do you think Rogan went to Texas? Why do you think California is losing so many jobs? You think it's because of high taxes? I think there are definitely people who like to evade taxes, sure. It's evade taxes. Whoa. But no, no, but guys, let me, Sam, respectfully, I just figured out who you are. I'm telling you, I just figured out who you are. Deep down inside of you, you have, you are driven by so much power,

a deep-rooted feeling matching the qualities of a communist that wants to tell you what to do, and you think you know what's best for others, and if it isn't your way, everybody else is wrong. And by the way, and extremely...

I'm literally just advocating for higher taxes on super wealthy people. No, you're not. Because what you just said, let me just make the point here. You just said people who left California and New York, your first response was they're evading as if they have to pay you.

That's not how this works. They're evading taxes. These guys are tax evaders. They left. No, it's called if a company offers better benefits. Are you on Rumble? I think we stream on Rumble. Where do you put your video clips the most? YouTube? YouTube. Why YouTube? It's just what the technology was when we started. Why don't you do it on Vimeo? We do run it through Vimeo. Why don't you do all your stuff through Vimeo? Why do you do it on YouTube?

That's where the most people are. And that's where they pay the best. Well, yeah. I mean, that's where we have the most audience. You're evading the revenue going to another company. You're such an evader of sponsorship money going to another company that keeps more money of it. You're such an evader. Why are you evading all this sponsorship money? You're such a sponsorship money evader.

Sam Cedar's a sponsorship money evader, everybody. Come on, man. I'm a sponsorship evader. What is it? What did you call it? No, you called people tax evaders. I think there's a lot of people who leave high-tax states for low-tax states. Is that evading or is that just common sense? You just called them tax evaders. I think there's a lot of people that do that. If they're going for tax reasons, then they're trying to pay less tax. There's also a lot of people that go to lower...

cost restaurants versus higher cost restaurants. What word would you rather me use? There's people that shop at H&M versus shopping at Gucci. Better opportunity tax situations. It's called saving money. If I have to be under someone's watch, like a dictatorship quality like you that thinks you know what's best for others. You think I'm a dictator? Financial dictator. The way you are, the way you feel, your first answer was a tax evader.

That's how you view them. You don't view them as a asset to the state. You see them as criminals. You just called entrepreneurs that leave New York and California as criminals. Is tax evader a criminal? Rob, can you pull up what a tax evader is? Type in tax evader synonym. Tax evader synonym. What are some tax evader synonyms?

Can you go to tax evader synonyms? Tax dodger. Tax fraud. Tax avoidance. You're calling these people criminals. A person who tries to avoid paying taxes, often through illegal means. You're calling somebody who leaves paying taxes criminal. So I left California because... I'm sorry. I should have said tax avoiders. Right. Okay. So tax evaders. Avoiders. It's called...

Are we good with tax avoiders? It's called better opportunities. Am I a better person if I say so? Sam, you're also a tax avoider. Better opportunities. Because if you have an S-Corp, you have what is called write-offs. That's such an evader. Do you write anything off? Do you do write-offs?

I already know the answer. Of course you do. You write off. So you write it off. Why would you do such a thing, Sam? You're a tax evader. It's all the shame on this guy for writing off taxes on my call to feds. You probably have an accountant helping you. He does. Sam, here's something that I've learned. It's okay to say the following. You ready? Man, I might have been wrong on that one.

I just, I just continue. In anything. I should have said tax avoidant. I'm just saying in anything. Because where growth happens is we'd be like. Tax avoidant. Yeah, when you grow. I remember the most amount of money I ever made was in 2016. I was like, oh my God. This is like a therapy session. I'm a millionaire now. It's a tax therapy session. I was like, oh my God, I'm paying all this taxes. I don't like this. And I created an escort. You know what fascinates me about this? Is that like, I'm talking about policies that impact the country. I'm talking about the implications of.

of taxation on the top 0.5%, top 1% of this country. And it is boiled down to you guys saying that I'm a bad person. I don't care. I actually think you're a great person. I don't care. I don't care about like any of you as individuals. Same boat as us. I don't care about me. Exactly. I,

I don't disrespect you, though. I'm talking about policies. And when we get into policy, I notice how this all pivots. And I don't blame you because, frankly, if you tell the American public, and maybe not this audience because this audience is built on your business, you know, around your business doings and whatnot. Yeah. But if you tell the American public that they're getting fleeced and they are losing political power to money, they react like they did in Wisconsin. Yeah.

They basically reject it. And so that's that. What happened? That is what happened. What happened on November 5th? What happened on November 5th? Those people didn't come out. They came out to vote for Donald Trump because Donald Trump is a character that they like. Why didn't they come out in 2020?

Oh, why didn't they come out? Because they because Donald Trump was very close to their experience. And I think I have a feeling in 2024, they'd also vote him out if he tries to run again. Can you imagine like you had four years of a guy? His name is Donald Trump. Then this motivational speaker named Joe Biden shows up and he fills up the arenas and he wins.

Every time he spoke, two, three hundred thousand people would show up to just hear this man give a speech. Like one of those grateful readers. Biden was a complete, like, just placeholder for not Donald Trump. This guy gets up there and he crushes Trump. And you guys are like, oh, he got so destroyed. Crushes Trump. Look at the way Biden beat Trump. People don't want a person like Trump. And in America watched all the policies that you support. Biden comes president. He does what he does.

Four years later, his vice president, his VP, Kamala Harris, runs for office. Google antitrust and see how popular it is. His VP runs for office, okay? Runs for office. Loses every battleground state. 89 count. 50 for 50 states become more Republican. And you're sitting here saying you guys think you've got better policies? No, I think Kamala Harris... This is a policy conversation. Kamala Harris is... I mean, I think, look...

I think it was what Biden did in staying in was atrocious. He should have gotten out way earlier. There's a story coming out now of like Ron Klain coming, seeing him before the debate and realizing the guy was a mess. And I think Harris's campaign was also poorly run. I think that, you know, nobody could tell what her policies were. Mark Cuban's going out there saying, I agree. Yeah.

Mark Cuban's coming out there saying like, oh, don't worry. She's not going to do any more of this antitrust stuff on one hand. I don't want a billionaire coming out and speaking for my candidate. Did you vote for her? Did you sit that one out? No, I voted for her. You voted for Kamala.

Why? Just because they're not Trump? Hold on, hold on, hold on. This is what drives me crazy about your side. You guys voted for the lesser of two evils. What policy were you going for? What do you think that she was going to do different? What can you possibly... I would rather have you sit that one out, Sam. Go ahead. I'll tell you. Go ahead.

She was not going to cut Social Security functioning. She's not going to cut the USDA. She's not going to cut the FDA. She's not going to lose us $500 billion worth of return on investment with the IRS. She's not going to cut the Bureau of Labor Statistics. She's not going to cut $300 billion. Investment. Investment. Return on investment. Every dollar that you give to the IRS, we get six or seven back.

She's not going to cut the museum and library. Did you just say that? Google it. Every dollar spent at the IRS gets six back in returns. Oh, my goodness. We're very anticipating the cuts from Doge. The cuts from Doge are going to cost our government $500 billion. According to who, Rob? Studies suggest. All right, I undersold it a little bit. According to who?

Okay, well, you can spend time attacking the people who do these calculations. Do you need me to tell you more about why? Yeah, I'm just curious. Just rando tariffs applied in a willy-nilly fashion that crashed the economy. So you don't think the tariffs that Trump is—and I get it. The tariffs are exactly what America needs right now because—let's just go to the border. What he did with the border with Mexico—

With the tariffs, what happened to fentanyl? What happened to all the deaths? What happened to all those illegals? What do you mean? He threatened them and they went to war. Fentanyl comes across the border at ports of entry. Fentanyl? Yeah, fentanyl comes across the border, not in illegals crossing the desert. It comes in. Oh, really? Coyotes? Oh, really? It comes in. It comes in at ports of entry. Google that.

Sam, I don't need to Google when it's like you said you voted for you voted for someone. You're coming up with these policies. The worst pick ever. The biggest loss ever. She lost everything because your side you're talking about. I don't even know. Let me ask you a question. You're acting like your whole side was surprised that Biden wasn't there. Every

Everybody knew, including you, he wasn't there at all. But you guys are like, he's just not Trump. The worst president in the history of the world, of this country, four years, because you guys were pretending that he was all there and we knew it. And who was making all the decisions? Who was making all the decisions? Who was signing all the shit? Who was signing off? How many times did you have to see Biden sitting there and they'd ask him a question and he'd go...

Oh, I can't because they told me I couldn't. He wasn't in charge. They who? Yeah, who was they? Come on, Sam. It's like the most devastating loss. The world, the country is over it. You guys aren't pivoting. Okay? And if you think the future is Gavin Newsom, AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Jasmine Crockett, you guys are doomed.

Nothing is going to change. And Elon Musk, you think Elon Musk is a net positive or a net negative for society, for what he's doing? And pointing out what the hell these people have been screwing us for all these years, and he's pointing it out. You guys are mad at the person pointing out who robbed from you than the actual robber. That's the truth, bro. Yeah, he's a billionaire. You think he's doing it because he needs the money? What fraud has he found? What do you mean? How much fraud has he found? What fraud? Yeah. Where's the person who is going to be indicted for fraud? Well, what about the waste?

What waste? Because it's not... Stop it, Sam. What waste? They just cut the... Sam, what's our current... They cut the agency that provides $295 million to museums and libraries. You appreciate libraries, don't you? I know how much reading is important to you and your kids. But, Sam, you're pinpointing the one good thing that they probably did. Okay, no, no, wait. I can keep going. What about the waste of countries all around the world for LGBTQ agendas in Rwanda or something? The money you're talking about is a fraction of...

of a percentage. And if we wanted to get rid of that money, there is a way of doing it. And that is to have Congress vote and reverse what they authorized in the first place. But to have a billionaire come in and decide based upon what his personal preferences are, that he's going to cut government in this way. I'm sorry, that's not democracy. It's not even remotely close to it. He doesn't have the power to do anything. He makes a suggestion. Why do you think he does?

And then the administration will do it. Why do you think Americans voted for these policies? I don't think Americans heard the word doge outside of it being some type of crypto currency. Why do you think Americans voted for Trump? Well, I think because they want change. In what? What were they not happy with? I think inflation was a big part of it for them. What else do you think? I think for a 90% of his voters...

for Mitt Romney. I think there is a, uh, the Republican party wants to, you know, have tax cuts. How do we get inflation? How does inflation? Can we stay in 2024? You said inflation. Give me one second. How does inflation happen? Inflation can happen in a couple of different ways. Inflation can happen because you have too much monetary supply. Yeah. Uh,

inflation can happen in terms of both from a monetary supply level or a fiscal stimulus. Right. And inflation can also happen if you have a once in a lifetime pandemic that completely screws up all of your logistics. And so you've got, uh,

shipping containers that usually cost $4,000 to ship, but now they cost $22,000 to get because they're in far-flung places because the pandemic screwed up. That was in 2021. Well, it reverberates through the thing. We saw inflation dropping through 2024. We saw rate cuts on the table because we saw inflation dropping. Do you think any of it was with... Again, so those are the main two issues. You don't think anything else. So you mainly think it was...

inflation, and your second point was...

I think in large part, we have structural problems in this country, and that's why we keep getting change elections where we keep going back and forth, back and forth. And I would say those structural problems range from, I think a lot of them have to do with wealth inequality. Okay. So you think Democrats are better at helping wealth inequality or Republicans? I think Democrats are marginally better. Tell me, due to what policy? Taxation helps.

That's a big part. Strengthening labor, I think, during Biden. I have a lot of problems with Biden. Or 6% of the workers work from home. Strengthening labor, strength in the marketplace helps with wealth inequality. I think antitrust goes a long way to wealth inequality because it literally is to break up the concentration of wealth. Here's the other question for you. So Trump's closed up the border, right, where we are not getting, like this, numbers have dropped dramatically.

Well, I mean, if you go back and look in the and I don't necessarily agree with Biden doing this, but if you go back and look at the numbers starting in the summer of twenty twenty four, maybe a little bit. Stop it. I'm sorry. Go just put it up there. Oh, my God. But listen, I'm not in favor of him doing this. But he did do it. Wait, put up the graph of an election year, an election year. Let me just slow down. Let me just give you this. I mean, guys, here's what I'd like. I'm not.

in favor of this but he did it. Here's what I'd like to do. I'd like to get through some stories but I just want to close the knot here and move on because we're not going to make any progress here. See if you can get a graph of that. Rob, if you just want to show up graph on immigration from 2021, 22, 22, is that the chart you want to see? What do you want to see? Let's see the one over the past... Show up how many illegal immigrants came here. Dramatically in January and I'm suggesting to you if you look at the past 12 months... No, no, it's... Okay, it's...

Rob, do me a favor. Find the chart on immediately when Trump comes in, what happens to illegal immigration in America while you're doing that? Here's a question for you. Ten million illegal immigrants came through the border in four years. Way more. What's the number of undocumented immigrants you think we have in this country right now? What I'm asking is those four years. How many do we have during those four years?

That came through that we have according to credible sources. What's the number you hear? That are in the country now or actually just crossed? No, that came through illegally during those four years. I would imagine it's probably close to like five, six, maybe to 10 million. Let's say 10 million. Tom Hover said 10 million. Let's say it's 10 million, but give or take 2 million. Let's just say it's 10 million, the number, okay? Those 10 million people that are coming here, are they rich? No. The vast majority of them, I would say, are not. Are poor, right? Okay, that they're coming here.

Who does that benefit? They're going to need jobs, right? And what are they willing to work for? Oh, I think they're going to get exploited, without a doubt, if that's where you're going with this. Oh, so let me get this straight. So who do they benefit? Do they benefit larger corporations that get cheap labor? They benefit, yes. Oh, so let me get this straight. Meat processing plants and whatnot. Oh, that's why I want them to have documents. Sam.

Let them come to the border. So give them documents so that they can get worker protections. So then if that's the case, you know what that validates? Joe Biden and the democratic policies are better for the billionaires than Trump's are because they brought in cheap labor and that cheap labor helps who helps the rich. I am in favor of, of a path to citizenship. Uh,

That is much easier. And by the way, those 10 million people that came here illegally, give or take. And that was in that bill that they suggested in the fall of 2023 that Trump said he didn't want because he wanted to keep it as an issue. Who do those 10 million people take jobs away from?

Who do they take jobs away from? I don't know that they take jobs away from that many. Oh, really? We are at, when I, in 20 years ago, we were told that the lowest unemployment that it was possible to have with a functioning economy was what? You remember? It was something like 6% to 8%.

And now our unemployment is at 4%. And it was lower than that before. You're not answering the question, though. Who do those people take jobs away from? I have answered it. I think largely they don't take jobs away from people. Oh, they don't. Of course they do. Hang on. Perfect. I love what you just said. You think they don't take jobs away from anybody. Perfect. So if we go and we look at...

When China started trading, let me make the point, when China came through and was able to bring labor to us, 1971, it was called the Ping Pong Agreement that they had where we can send labor there, and labor at the time was $0.08 to $0.20 an hour, where for us minimum wage was $1.60. Then in 2001...

when the Clinton policies helped China join the World Trade Organization, and at the time, minimum wage in China was 20 cents to 50 cents, depending on different regions, and for us it was 5.15. We lost 6 million manufacturing jobs, give or take the next seven years. Michigan, you got Indiana, you got all these other places. Where did those jobs go to?

Who did they replace? Who lost those jobs? What happened to Detroit? All that manufacturing went to China. That's right. So what do you think these 10 million people that come here, who are they going to take jobs away from? Americans who are here legally. Those jobs are going to go to somebody that's cheap labor. That was the movement of capital. Capital.

Capital decided that it was cheaper for them to move to China. I'm specifically talking about the last four years. So when you're saying labor is not going to be taken from people in America, that's the credibility you lose. That's where people in 2000 – Rob, can you play the clip with Stephen A. Smith, who has been a staunch supporter of the Democratic Party for decades –

And now Stephen A. Smith is being called as a member of MAGA. You know, Rob, we can't play the whole thing. Can you go to the main part? Do you know the main part or no? Right after he reads this is when he responds. Okay, let's see what he says, Rob. Go for it. This Owens, Sean Hannity, and other prominent voices from the right on this podcast as reasons for his premise.

Here's a portion of what he wrote on MSNBC.com in an article titled, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith is a Megaphone for MAGA Propaganda. Jones says, quote, Stephen A. Smith's embrace of the MAGA movement and its influencers has only continued. In recent days, for example, he has spoken with right-wing commentators Ben Shapiro, Megyn Kelly, and Bill O'Reilly.

You might be thinking that these were adversarial chats between a left-leaning centrist and a conservative. But to adroit listeners, they can come across more as conservatives in friendly discussion than anything else. Smith's overt politicism seems to fly in the face of ESPN's apparent effort in recent years to deter some of its talent from speaking on controversial political matters.

Either way, the network's most recognizable host is now regularly platforming MAGA propaganda at will. End quote. Now, my team reached out to Jones to have a discussion about the article. I wanted to invite him on the show to talk with me one-on-one personally.

I hope we get the opportunity to have that dialogue. He was busy. He didn't avoid the call or anything like that. It was no comment or anything like that. He didn't say anything. He was just very, very busy. We called it the last minute. No shade on him. That's why it didn't happen. But in the meantime, let me express to you what I think about what he wrote. I think that's the exact problem with the left. You see, if I don't agree with you, I must be MAGA. It must be the case. I'm platforming

MAGA propaganda. Is that so? I don't view it that way. First of all, even though I lean left, particularly with how I vote with presidential elections, I want to emphasize that I've always been a centrist my entire life. I've never once described myself as a Democrat or a Republican. I'm a centrist. I'm a moderate. I don't trust either side. I'm not on one side of the other hook, line, or sinker.

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Do you know? You can pause. Yes. So do you know what happens when a guy like Stephen A. Smith, he said he's always voted left when it comes on to presidential candidates that he has. So he's not a guy that voted for Trump. Right. When a guy like him comes out and he says, what the hell is going on with the Democratic Party?

Is that what he's saying there? Oh, he's said it. You must not follow what he says because he has said that nonstop the last two months, three months. No, I don't follow what he's saying. You should. He's actually very good. He's reasonable. It would be good for you to watch. I like his approach. I think he's a good guy. Do you guys identify as MAGA? No.

Do any of you guys identify as a Maga? Here's my question. He seems to think it's an insult. Make America great again? If you want to make America great again, I'm all in. Call me Maga all freaking day. I'm Maga. I'm Maga. I just want to make America great. He seems to take it as an insult. No, I am America first. I'm America first.

I voted for Trump in 2016. I voted for him 2020. In 2022, when people were leaving to the DeSantis camp, I stayed on the Trump camp. I've never been off that camp. He's the right guy for America, and I've been a registered independent now for about 17 years. What do you think about these tariffs? No, no. Stay on this topic here with Stephen. We'll go to tariffs next. What is the topic? Some guy I've never heard of from...

I've never heard of Stephen A. Smith. No, the guy who wrote the... Thank God. If you didn't hear Stephen A. Smith, I would have a meltdown right now. What he's been talking about lately with the Democratic Party having issues... He's a centrist. I don't have to subscribe to what a centrist perspective... I mean, he's a centrist like Gavin Newsom is a centrist.

Gavin Newsom is a centrist? Gavin Newsom is saying the exact same thing as Stephen A. Smith. How? Because he realizes progressive policies have been a disaster. Maybe it's because... He's a centrist. Maybe it's because...

Maybe it's like a... You don't understand. You guys don't seem to understand. I have a set of politics. I don't care what Stephen A. Smith does. I don't care what Gavin Newsom does. I don't care. So you're rigid. You're not changing anything.

It's not a question of I'm rigid and I'm not changing anything. There are specifics. Over time, I have had a different perspective on the deficit over the past 20 years and understood it in a different way. But you've become more liberal over the last 20 years. You've become more of a leftist and progressive. You've got to be more malleable. I would say to a certain extent, I mean, to the extent, like, I don't, you know, like...

You guys have these labels that you like to use, and there's some type of gradation. Like taxable. Yeah. Labels like taxable. I've always been about where I am in terms of taxation, but I am for a little bit more decommodification probably than I was 20 years ago. And all I'm saying here before we go, look, I'm going to go to the audience. Audience, we're coming to you here in a second to go through some of the stories here. Wow, wait, we're going to talk about tariffs? We're going to talk about whatever stories we go through, but the one thing we did learn here with you

is America grew up the last four years. America grew up the last four years. Many Democrats grew up. Every state became more Republican because of the horrible policies on the left, whether it was how they handled COVID,

What they did with our kids, how they handled people that didn't want to take the vaccine, and people were fed up. And they voted for a guy who had already been president for four years. So it's not like they said they want something new. They said, no, we want to go back to the guy previous to that guy. That is the biggest black outcry.

I, to Obama, to Kamala, to Democrats, to everybody on the left, when they went back to the guy that they said they didn't want four years later saying, it's like an ex coming back and saying, babe, I messed up. I should have never gone with the other guy. You were my guy or guy. Babe, I screwed up. I should have never left you for the other girl. I'm such a dummy. Please, Trump, come back. That's what America did. And a guy like you,

I'm not a big fan of Obama's and I'm not a big fan of Harris's either. But the point is you still haven't graduated Sanders. That's like seventh grade. The people that follow Sanders and AOC are in seventh grade, eighth grade. Their heroes are in high school. Your philosophies are popular in high schools, not with adults.

The policies that you support are high school policies. They were not popular when I was in high school. Oh, are you kidding me? Karl Marx was a hero in kids that went to high school because teachers were feeding the Karl Marx stuff. When I went to high school, Ronald Reagan was president. I can assure you that, and the wall still existed, and there was fear of communism and that socialism was barely ever expressed. Wow.

You're a step away from communism. Socialism is a step away from communism. That's kind of where you are. You're right there saying, guys, I don't want to fully publicly say I'm a communist. I'll stay in this room because it's like MAGA. I don't even identify as a socialist either. You're a progressive, though.

I would say I'm a progressive. So what's right of progressive? What's left of progressive? I know you're not big on labels, but just humor me. What's right and left of being a progressive? I'm probably a social Democrat. So I would say there is a certain amount of society where I believe we do not need the private market to deliver it and is less efficient. So when it comes to health insurance... Mm-hmm.

We have already in this country one-third, maybe a little more actually, on some form of government health insurance. The VA is actually government health care. The doctors work for the government.

And that is actually gets very, very high. And all I hear is good things about the VA. The VA gets high marks? The health care does. Vinny, you go to the VA. From who? That's 100% false. I get the worst service from the VA. And I'm a veteran and he's a veteran. He doesn't go to the VA. I go to the VA. I called yesterday just to make an example in our work area. I called. Nobody's picking up the phone for me to get an appointment.

Zero. And when you go there, it's the most depressing thing. But the good news is when you go to get your DMV, the driver's license, that's great service, right? No, that's the best. The VA is not good. The states run the DMVs, but my experience at the DMV is not that bad. Respectfully, there's one thing you said. You said the private market is less efficient. We can look at 250 years of government and everything we've got here. I just can't get past that. What's the administrative cost for Medicare? And if that's your

What's the administrative cost for Medicare? Hang on. If that's one of your foundational beliefs, that the private markets will be less efficient, then it's no wonder where you are. I'm not going to pick on it. If that's your foundational belief... What is the administrative cost for Medicare? Tell us. Two to three cents of every dollar in Medicare is spent on administrative costs. Administrative defined as what? You've got to be careful.

I got to be careful when I hear things like that, because guess what? You go back and you look at, well, I was only counting this. I'm not counting this. It's like the same way. You have a dollar. Same way your side would count. 98. Unemployment. Then come out later and readjust all the stats. 97 to 98 cents actually goes to paying Medicare providers, doctors, nurses.

We're going to move on. We're going to move on because your core tenant that the private markets are less efficient is wrong. And if that's your foundation, we can't discuss anything. Because they're paying for advertising, they're paying for shareholder value, et cetera, et cetera.

So for every dollar you spend and on top of which, anybody who has private health insurance who deals with it themselves knows it's like having a second job just to either get reimbursed or you get you get to figure out every year when you resign up. It's my doctor in or out of the program. It's a mess.

It's a disaster. Medicare is the most inefficient possible. It's so good and so wonderful. People love Medicare. Why was MedSupp and Medicare Advantage invented? It's so good, Medicare. It's everything for you. Because the Republicans wanted to privatize it. Oh, really? I don't get drug benefits. That Medicare Advantage is the worst part of Medicare, and people get sucked into it, and they find out that they've been hoodwinked.

I mean, these are all easily found data points. Sam, did you fly here? Yeah. Did you go through TSA? Did you go through TSA PreCheck? Did you go through Clear? What did you go through? On the way here, my TSA PreCheck was not on the thing, so I just went through it. That's messed up. You paid for it, though, right? Yeah, it was $60 for the TSA PreCheck. No, I'm saying, but you pay, I think, it was like $500 or $100 for five years for a TSA PreCheck? TSA PreCheck, I think, is $65 for five years. That's amazing. It's a great deal. Why don't you do Clear?

I don't want to do a private company. TSA PreCheck is basically like a public-private partnership where you pay a little bit more. TSA PreCheck is the government. You pay a little bit more. I'm not going to give my biometrics to Clear. He looks at private companies and he frowns upon private companies. Is that what's going on? That's all it is. Oh, I didn't fully understand. He said, I'm not going to give my money to a private company. Ah.

And meanwhile, you own and run one. Yeah, so let's go to the next story with terrorists. Can we stay there for a second, please? You don't want to give money to a private company, but you are a private company. Well, I don't want to give my biometric information to a private company. Or your dollars. What about just private companies in general? I'm happily fine with TSA Preach. We already got it. I'm moving. Adam. Okay.

I'm learning. I'm moving on. I already learned. I understand. It's great. So we know what the argument is. Progressive. Trump set to unleash Liberation Day tariffs.

President Trump will unveil Liberation Day tariffs on Wednesday at 4 p.m. That was yesterday. That was yesterday. In a White House's rose garden promising to stop America being ripped off and deliver a new golden age of U.S. industry. Though U.S. White House White House press secretary, Cameron Lambert, said that he was still perfecting it to make sure it's a perfect deal with advisers less than 24 hours before Trump, who on Monday claimed he'd be very kind.

Has kept details vogue with reports suggesting options from reciprocal tariffs to a 20% blanket rate or preferential treatment for some nations. Rob, if you want to play this. Is this yesterday, Rob, or is this? This is yesterday from the Rose Garden. This is the president. Fantastic. Go for it. My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day. Waiting for a long time.

You're all about to be liberated from your money. April 2nd, 2025 will forever be remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day America's destiny was reclaimed, and the day that we began to make America wealthy again. Going to make it wealthy, good and wealthy. I also have another clip. This is the president discussing how the tariffs will help eliminate income tax. Go for it. Oh, God.

From 1789 to 1913, we were a tariff-backed nation, and the United States was proportionately the wealthiest it has ever been. So wealthy, in fact, that in the 1880s, they established a commission to decide what they were going to do with the vast sums of money they were collecting. We were collecting so much money so fast, we didn't know what to do with it. Isn't that a nice problem to have? What do you think, Marco? Good problem? Marco would love that problem.

But we don't have that problem anymore, but we're not going to have it very much longer, I will tell you. But they collected so much money. They actually formed a commission to determine what they were going to do with the money, who they were going to give it to and how much.

Then in 1913, for reasons unknown to mankind, they established the income tax so that citizens, rather than foreign countries, would start paying the money necessary to run our government. Then in 1929, it all came to a very abrupt end with the Great Depression,

And it would have never happened if they had stayed with the tariff policy. It would have been a much different story. They tried to bring back tariffs to save our country, but it was gone. It was gone. It was too late. Nothing could have...

It took years and years to get out of that depression, far longer than even FDR had that office right over there for a long period of time. The ramp system that's rather intricate was built because of him. And every time you walk up, you think of him. And he did a great job in many ways, but it lasted long beyond his terms, as you know.

But it's not too late any longer, and we're going to start being smart, and we're going to start being very wealthy again. We're going to be wealthy as a country because they've taken so much of our wealth away from us. We're not going to let that happen. We truly can be very wealthy. We can be so much wealthier than any country. It's not even believable, but we're getting smart. Okay, Tom, your thoughts on this, and I'm going to come to you. So...

Markets love continuity, even if continuity is rooted in trade inequality and things that have been going on for decades. And to get through...

the shift to get through the food poisoning, it's going to, we can see markets react to sentiment and markets don't know what to make of this. How many tariffs are going to stay for a day versus a week versus a month? You don't know how many tariffs are going to shift. Israel actually backed down and said, okay, we're done yesterday. Correct. Israel went, hang on. We're good.

We're backing off. We're done here. Interesting. Canada moved a couple of them. Not the rest of them. Canada's still figuring it out, but they're blinking. Canada is blinking. So now the question is going to be, how long does all this take? And the markets, you know, the markets don't like it.

The markets don't like the sentiment of uncertainty. And that's why you have Jim Cramer and other people, oh, we're getting killed out here. You're getting killed because you like the status quo that you had a minute ago because you knew how to play that game and you knew how those markets worked. And respectfully, they're there to trade and make money in increasing market. What is easier? It's easier to stay yesterday with what we've got or there's a greater goal. And the greater goal is American jobs. And the jobs report was better than people thought.

Huh. Interesting. That's not a headline. Why is that buried? And you've got the uncertainty of the markets. Now, the uncertainty of markets makes everybody look at their 401k and look at the things and be concerned. And yes, there's concern there. But you've got to look down the street and see where we're going. And it is not easy to get through the food poisoning, but

there is life on the other side. And you can see that's what the president is talking about. And I think we got to trust it and we got to look at what's going on. We can already see little islands of change going on. So let's find out how everybody else moves on these tariffs. Sam.

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You said tariff was the last word. That was the only time you used the word tariffs. Look, I am in favor of tariffs when it is part of a specific agenda to build a certain industry or a certain industry within a certain region. This is absolute insanity. First off...

They're going to use this as potential revenue. Like he says, it's not going to replace the income tax. But what they're going to do is they're going to use it as an excuse to cut taxes on wealthy people. You guys will be very excited about that. But who's going to pay that tax if it's six hundred billion dollars a year, as they're saying, over a 10 year period is going to be six trillion dollars.

That is going to be an average of $5,000 tax on Americans. It is a regressive tax. I like taxation, but I like progressive taxation because $5,000 for somebody making $40,000 is a much bigger problem than $5,000 for me or for you. And so this is a regressive tax on Americans. Now, if it's to work,

To build up industry, and I don't know how we're going to have a banana industry in this country or how we're going to have a lumber industry to rival Canada's because we just don't have the wood or and so on. I mean, people get the idea. You know, there are certain industries you can actually say this is one we're going to build up. Maybe there will be a low cost clothing business that that revives in this country. But I doubt it.

But if tariffs are meant to work to build up industry, that means people aren't paying those taxes. So the tariffs may not raise the money, but what will happen is, and I think you understand this too about pricing, if the price of goods goes up on average, and it looks like in some of these places it's going to go way above 10%. I mean, some of like, you know, Vietnam, like 39%, China, 75%. They're adding all these tariffs on. It's insane. Yeah.

Then U.S. companies, to the extent that there are ones that are making these same goods, they have between zero and...

75% to raise their prices. And they will because, you know, like the price of this, there's a certain elasticity and they can justify raising their prices 5% if their nearest competitor is, you know, 25% raise in price. I mean, they'll do it because, you know, there's some products that people just can't do without. So this is such a disaster. And of course it also, what it also does is it,

Last time we had a major financial crisis in this country in 2008, it took six years for the stock market to get back at parity. You're talking about the 401ks have been a disaster insofar as people just don't put as much money in them as they should because they don't have the money on a regular basis. But

God help those people if there wasn't Social Security, a robust Social Security, because if you've got to retire and you're 65 and you were planning on retiring, you have a small 401k. It is screwed and it may not come back for years. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow. But I feel about reciprocal tariffs. Here's the other absolute insanity.

Those tariffs that he claimed on that chart are not tariffs. Every every economist out there has been saying, where did he get these numbers? And they're starting to figure out that they did some weird things.

There's countries on there that don't even have people in them. It's bizarre. They took like the CIA fact book and just made a list of countries. I mean, it's completely for show. Which countries? There's Google it. There's like one or two places where there's no people. Every single one of those. No, no. They released a big release. He'll find it.

And these are not actual tariffs that are being applied to us. Every single one of these countries. There is India. Are we sure there's people there? The China, the EU, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, India, South Korea, Thailand, Switzerland, Indonesia, Malaysia, Cambodia. Which of those countries are there not people living?

Put in the Trump just, you know, added a tariff on a country with no. All right. But OK, so it may be. It's one. It's just an indication of how slapdash this is. No, dude. These are not tariffs. These are not on one. Those those those reciprocal tariffs. They're not. They're not.

Those aren't tariffs. He is, he is combined. He is basically what they've tried to figure out is like, where'd they get these numbers from? And they have taken the trade deficit and divided it by, um, by what we send there. And that's the way that they've, they've assumed that that's a tariff. It's basically, they're just saying we have these trade deficits. And of course we have trade deficits with, with, with certain places because there's some products that we're just never going to make, um,

And there's some places that don't have the buying power that we have. I mean, so this is, this is just bizarre. And, uh, and even like former Trump trade people were just like, well, maybe it's just an opening salvo for a negotiation. And maybe it is. I,

I mean, you know, like I'm just fortunate that I'm not planning on retiring soon and my 401k isn't decimated. But this is going to cause inflation and these prices are not going to come down. I mean, Trump is trying to tell U.S. automakers, don't raise your prices. And if he wants to impose price controls, he would not be the first Republican president to do this. Nixon was the first president.

president and the only president, as far as I know, to do price controls, at least in the modern era. I'm not necessarily against price controls in certain situations, but this is like such an own goal. It's fascinating. Of course. No, Jimmy Carter's wage and price controls were decades before Nixon. Whoops, whoops. Checking my notes. No. He was after. It wasn't just Nixon. Well, Nixon started it, right? And there was no other president since Nixon. Nixon started it. I was just kind of correcting that. Okay.

I'm for price controls. You are for price controls. Well, I think we should have very socialist agenda. We should have implied we should have applied some in the in the wake of covid. Yes, there was a lot of gouging going on. I think everybody knows that.

I think it's I mean, there's plenty of data that at least 40 percent of the inflation was a function of gouging in some form or another. Well, Sam, number one, respect for you for being here. I don't think like genuinely you're whether you're a progressive or democratic socialist or skew socialist. You're talking to a bunch of capitalists and an angry patriot. That's cool. Like, we're not going to change your mind. You're probably not going to change our mind. But what we're solving for is the truth, the reality is.

It is these reciprocal tariffs. What Pat asked you about. Are you familiar with the golden rule? Do unto others as you want to do unto them. Bingo. Do you abide by the golden rule? I mean, in my personal relationships, yes. There you go. So the golden rule is you want to do something to me. I'm going to do it to you. If you treat me fairly, I'll treat you fairly. If you're good with me, I'll be good with you. But if you want to. Hold on, guy.

If you want to actually take advantage of me, then all of a sudden we might have to have a economic war. And that's what's happening. So if you show up that list, I know you want to focus on the one random country that you can't name. Hold on. Tell us how England is taking advantage of us. Well, England is part of the UK. We understand that. But...

If you want to go to the UK, hold Sam, hold on. You know, when people talk, you listen. And then when you talk, I listen. That's how conversations go. You know that I'm just asking you to clarify. I'm going to get there. So the way that these tariffs work is if they're doing something to us, we'll do something. Then Rob, show the picture. So I would love to hear what you think. So all these countries have people living in them.

All these countries, these, you know, China, the EU, that's part of, you know, all those countries over there. You get the UK over there, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, India. I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of people living in India, South Korea, Thailand. All these countries are charging us.

So the reality is if you go through the numbers, not feeling Sam. There's the whole list. Sam, I need you to pay attention. I got it. Here we go now. There's the whole list. They're charging us way more. 90% of Vietnam. To access their markets than we are charging them. That is not. That's the whole point. Those are not tariffs. Stop it. You're going to have to. Rob, do me a favor. So we're charging on average two and a half percent.

The EU is charging on average 20%. Japan is 24%. China, 34%. Taiwan, 32%. Vietnam, 46%. These are what the numbers are. Now, if you have different numbers, I'd love to see them. But the reality is some of these countries are our friends and some of these countries are our foes. And as Trump says, if you want to listen to what Trump says, in many cases, you know, many of our friends are a lot worse. He cited Australia, won't even let us sell U.S. beef. So...

All these situations are actual numbers.

He talks about the golden rule. There's a similarity there. The golden age of America is what he's talking about because this is a way to bring down our deficits, to reduce taxes. I would love to hear if you had a better idea. To bring down our deficits? These are trade deficits. Okay. So we have a trade deficit with Canada of $200 billion a year. They charge us, in many cases, 200% to 300% for dairy. Mexico is an example. No, they do not.

No, you're absolutely 100% wrong in the dairy. No, no, no. Your dairy thing is absolutely wrong. You think this is my dairy thing? Yes, this is not. This is what Trump said in his speech. Yes, Trump lied. There is not a single pint of milk of dairy that goes. Just like you lied about how many countries don't have people. I'm pretty sure India's got a couple people. The dairy goes to Canada. We don't, if we sell a certain threshold of,

Tariffs are applied. But we don't reach that threshold ever. There are no... Not a dollar. Probably because it's too damn expensive to access the marketplace. No, no, no. Anyway, I'm talking about the...

sweeping tariffs, you're talking about being a milkman. What I want to understand is why don't you think... You guys don't care about any of the facts at all. It's hilarious. Don't BS me. No, it's hilarious. I used to think like you. Google dairy tariffs to Canada. Fuck your dairy. You brought up dairy. But you want to go... I'm giving one example. You want to have... That's the only example you gave. Auto. Auto industries, they're charging us 25%. We're now doing a minimum tax 10% across the board.

So minimum, but in other places, Vietnam, China. Let me ask a simple question. The whole thing Adam just said, it could have been simplified to we have around a trillion dollars of trade deficits. Would you like to fix that?

Part of the reason why we have those trade deficits is because, A, we keep our dollars strong. B, because there are bigger customer bases in this country than in other countries. We, our economy is based upon consumption. Do you think we're helping other countries' economy improve? Don't you think...

We have the leverage to ask more from them. I think, again, I think tariffs work if there is a specific industry. We saw this in the CHIPS Act, right? There were carrots and there were sticks in the CHIPS Act. We want to onshore chip production in this country, both for economic reasons, but also long-term national security reasons. For example, for me... And so what you do is you provide incentives and disincentives. Have you ever negotiated a deal with anybody? Well...

Well, I mean, yeah, I guess so. You do. And are you a decent negotiator? Are you a bad negotiator? Are you a horrible negotiator? Where would you put yourself as a negotiator? It depends on the context. Okay. Do you try to find a way to negotiate where both sides win, like a fair negotiation? Yes. Okay. So this is Newsweek. It's a newspaper, an outlet that's on the left. But, Rob, if you can go all the way to the top, okay, this is a Newsweek newspaper.

So full list of countries of reciprocal tariffs. This is from today, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. Yesterday was updated today. Go a little bit low, Rob, if you could. So let's just start from the top and see what it says. So it talks about the Liberation Day. Great. Got it. Why it matters. Tariffs remain in place until U.S. narrows a 1.2 trade imbalance recorded last year. That means we're making others.

$1.2 trillion more than we're making. That's the imbalance. Okay, so this is Newsweek. The president said...

It means that we are buying more stuff from other places than they're buying from us. Sure. Because we have the biggest consumer engine in the world. Sure. So it would make sense. Okay, so if that's the argument, continue. Now then the next thing would be, hey, charge me the same thing I'm buying from you as you're buying from me. Let's keep that number the same number. Don't overcharge me for it. That is not a tough request that we're making. Go a little bit lower, Rod. Keep going. Okay.

So the president is based on tariffs of 10% of all imports. Okay, great. According to a chart Trump held, 34% on Chinese imports, 20% on goods, European goods, all that. That'll come up when we go a little bit lower. That's the picture he's talking about. Keep going low, Rob. So it's ultimately going to be 54% plus another 10% on China. Until we become reciprocal. Yes, the U.S. had an overall trade deficit of 918 in 2024, with the largest gaps coming from China, 295, EU, 235, Mexico, 172, Vietnam, 123,

That's the numbers that we have there. Then Cambodia topped out of chart at 49% tariffs, followed by Madagascar, 47%. Sri Lanka, 44%. Vietnam, 46%. If these were the two countries you said they don't have people there, I think I got people there. So if we go a little bit lower, keep going, keep going, keep going. Here's a full list from Newsweek. China, tariffs charged to the U.S., 67%. Us to them, 34%.

EU, 39. This is the list that the White House put out. And all economists are looking at this and going, what are they talking about? Newsweek can fact check this. Yeah, they're not going to put out false information. Newsweek can fact check this. If not, that's Newsweek. You don't believe in fake news. The President of the United States just held up the thing. You believe in real news. So Taiwan, 64-32. Japan, 46-24. India, 52-26. Who the hell negotiated? Look at, by the way, each one of them is almost 2X.

26 times 2 is 52. 25 times 2 is 50. 36 times 2 is 72. 31 times 2 is 62, but they did 61. 32 times 2 is 64. Malaysia, 24, 47. Go a little bit lower, Rob. 49, 97. 10, 10, UK were the same. So South Africa, 30, 60. Brazil, 10, 10. Bangladesh, 37, 74. 2X. If these numbers are true, Sam, let's say somebody on the left, okay, fact checks this, and this is someone that's a person you respect.

If these numbers are accurate, what do you say then? I'm going to read from CNBC since you guys won't Google this. Many observers said the U.S. appeared to have divided the trade deficit by imports from a given country to arrive at tariff rates for individual countries. Can you text it to them so we can show it so the audience can see it?

Google CNBC. How did the U.S. arrive at its tariff figures? Go for it. We're not uncomfortable showing clips. Just say it, he'll pull it up. So which part do you want him to read? Well, scroll down right there. Just number two. Many observers said the U.S. appeared to have divided the trade deficit by imports from a given country to arrive at tariff rates for individual countries. Many of

Some methodology doesn't necessarily align with conventional approach to calculate tariffs. I mean, they've just made up what the tariffs were. No. Sam. Okay, maybe their methodology is different. But let's do this. What are the actual tariffs? This is my question, though. What are the tariffs?

I actually want to know this here. Rob, you can ask Grok to fact-check it. You can go under Charlie Kirk and just type in Grok, is this accurate, these numbers? You can go to ChadGBT, that's ran by Sam Altman, who is an enemy of Musk, and see what that one says. You can fact-check both of them. This is all I want to ask you to see what's your credibility with being able to reason. If those are correct, that they are charging us more taxes—

than we are, what do you think is the right thing to happen, if those numbers are correct? I think we should look at what industries we want to build in this country. Car industry, let's say. Let's say we want to build solar panels, which is one that I would choose. Just as an example, we could go down the list, right? And I would also look at, like, okay, what regions do we have in this country that need more jobs, more manufacturing?

And then I would target tariffs, not necessarily on the whole country that's coming in, but I would target on those products coming from a given country. Because that is what is called a plan. Does it matter what the product is? As opposed to this buckshot. Absolutely. Oh, so you're willing to pay more.

You're willing to allow the other person to tax you more for product you're buying than you're doing it to them? Who needs who more? They're not taxing me. Hang on a second. The reciprocal tariff is simple. It's saying, if you charge me an additional $30, let's match it. I'll do $30 as well. The point is that when, let's say China has a 50% tariff on our cars. Yes. Okay? And they do that because they want to build their car industry.

it is not going to create inflation in China because they have such a high tariff on our card. We may have, and certainly by we, we mean corporate America. Politicians. Not corporate America. Oh, it's corporate America. It's politicians. I saw how corporate America was so freaked out by Tiananmen Square. You still haven't answered my question. My question is, if that's accurate...

If those numbers are accurate, that we're being charged more. I'm not going to punish the American people with a regressive tax because you have some literally elementary school notion of fairness. But you are, though, elementary school. Here we go. If those are true, okay, on them charging us more,

Would you sit there and support? They're charging more for our products to get in there. Do you think it's fair for us to pay twice as much as we're charging them? Do you think that's fair? I don't think that fairness has anything to do with it. You're the one that claims you're a fair guy. What's best for the American public is the question I would ask. Who needs who more? Does YouTube need you or do you need YouTube? I probably need YouTube more. Why do you need YouTube more?

Because they have a lot of other people they can go to. Oh, thank you. Who needs who more? America? Do you need the American customers or do we need Bangladesh? Who needs who more? We better hope that a lot of these countries don't. I mean, Canada is starting to develop a different relationship with China. I mean, this is going to ruin America.

It's going to bring jobs to America. This is why Apple said, I'm investing $500 trillion here. This is why the UAE said $1.4 trillion. This is why Saudi said $600 billion. This is why all these companies said hundreds of billions. From your mouth to God's ear, I hope this goes well. But why are they saying that, though? I hope this goes well. But why did Rolls-Royce say we're going to move our different plants that we have from Mexico, Canada, and China to U.S.? Why are they saying that?

Why are they saying that? These are jobs for your American people that are not getting paid. Trump's trying to get those people jobs. Why don't you support it? There may be some benefit in terms of manufacturing, but overall, you're going to have a regressive tax on Americans. It's not targeted. When you target cars, I agree with you. Tariffs have a place, but there's no plan here.

The idea of just blanket fairness doesn't mean anything because you're forcing Americans a regressive task. Dude, the guy's done more in the first 60 days than the last previous four presidents, not including Kim Jong-un, did the first two years. And I hope the courts continue to inhibit what he's doing. Yeah, well, that's the other guy. Sam, just to build on what Pat was saying,

Apple promising to invest $500 billion. SoftBank, Oracle, $500 billion. Nvidia, TSMC. Because of these tariffs? $100 billion, $200 billion. Meta, $500 billion. Eli Lilly, $27 billion. Johnson & Johnson, D-Max, CMA, CGM, Stellantis, GM, Hyundai. The list goes on. All these companies are basically saying, we're going to bring back manufacturing jobs to America. Bringing back...

will stimulate the economy. Isn't that good for America? Part of why I respect Sam Seder is the following. Let me tell you why I respect Sam. Do you know why I respect Sam? It can be helpful. Here's why I respect Sam. We're not going to get huge banana production in the United States, but now your bananas are going to cost an extra 10, 20%. This is hundreds of billions of dollars. But he's not going to give you credit. You're not listening to what I'm saying. You don't understand. He just said earlier, I'm not going to give my money to a private corporation. Oh, okay, gotcha.

He just told you earlier. No, I said I'm not going to give it to clear at the airport. No, no, you said private. I have TSA pre. Why would I give it to the private one? We can go back and play what you exactly said. This is recorded. So for me, to me, I'm already at a point that for, you know, I ask you, if it's the same,

If those numbers are accurate, do you support it? No. Okay, so no matter what Trump does, you're not going to support it. No, I would support targeted tariffs that are meant to build specific industries of our regions. If trillions of dollars are going to be invested into our economy to create jobs, you don't support that. No.

You want that money to go to the 10 million illegal immigrants that came here that was open order under Biden. That's what you're saying. And by the way, the fact that you're open about it and you're honest about it, great. At least you're not playing games. At least you're saying that's who I am. I would much rather give my money to TSA because it's a government entity than Clear. It's private. I would much rather give my jobs to illegal immigrants than give the jobs to Americans. Clear is also like double the price. Yeah.

It is. At least you get what you pay for. You're changing now the argument. I even had a problem, to be honest with you, paying TSA pre because it sort of just creates two tiers. Would you be comfortable if there was no clear and no TSA pre-check and everyone just had to be exactly the same, just everyone TSA? Would you be comfortable with that?

Comfortable in this, I mean, the way that it was before. There's no paying for anything. There's no clear. I do think it's unfair to people who can't afford to pay that they have to wait in line and that rich people get to fly through. I do struggle with that. Did you fly first class on the way here? No.

Have you ever flown first class? Back in my show business days. What an elitist you are. Have you ever flown private? They would pay. Have you ever flown private? No. So everyone should be the same. You probably drank three beer. Everyone should just do TSA. Everyone should fly economy. It's very unfair if some people are doing better than others. I think we can agree that it is a little unfair that money will get you through that line at the airport, which is supposed to be mass communication. Yeah.

Mass transportation. Yeah, I do think it's a little better. Do you only take the regular basic Uber? Do I only take the basic Uber? Lyft? Do you never use the black?

You never used the SUV? I did to come here. That was the one you sent. Oh, so you won't pay out of pocket, but if someone will pay for you. Dude, you're a straight-up communist. I love it. Hold on, there's one thing that you said that I kind of just... I respect the fact that you're here. You're just...

Espousing socialist communist ideas. Massive respect for you coming here. You can embrace it. It's all good. The one thing that kind of just brushed over. Just say that's who I am. No, it's you saying that you hope that these judges keep interfering with Trump's agenda, which is you're basically cheering for unelected bureaucrats to go against the will of the people. Like, you're hearing yourself. That's not democracy. That's a power grab. So you're happy with all the judges and all the law firm and everything going after Trump. Those unelected bureaucrats. Yeah, those unelected guys. You're cool with that?

So if it happens to your guy... I am cool with judges appointed by Bush and Obama and Biden and Trump stopping the unelected bureaucrat...

Elon Musk from shutting down key functions of our government. Yes. Okay. Our government has been broken for... Like, what has anybody done to fix any of the problem? All the money going, all the everything. The fact that you're happy with them trying to...

Sam, this is the will of the people. How many? Seventy some million people. You can laugh all you want, but you're happy with judges interfering with what the president of the United States has been tasked to do. He has a mandate. He's kicking ass. And I feel Sam. I will quote from Elon Musk. This is a referendum on Trump. This is a referendum on Doge. This is a referendum on Musk.

And two nights ago, he got clobbered in Wisconsin. And he was there on the ground in front of a big American flag telling lies about Social Security and the American people in Wisconsin. Not all. Not all. 60 percent. 60 percent of the people in Wisconsin. This purple state.

basically said go home enough so that trump has to leak that he's gonna go he's gonna get rid of a musk and kick him out i don't think he actually will i don't think but he feels he felt the sting enough that he realizes he has to do that because doge and musk and i suggest trump very unpopular i mean obviously we're talking a margin right because the

there's going to be 45% of people who are going to be in favor of whoever the Democrat is and 45% who are going to be in favor of whoever the Republican is. But on the margins, yes, six months ago it was different, but today it's very different, I think. But Sam, and here's the thing. Okay, so Trump is done after this, right? Four years, he's gone. You promise? Well,

He's gonna be gone like everything he likes to troll all you guys and you guys all lose your minds and I and I haven't but what what here's my thing Again, and this is going back to the beginning. What are you guys offering? What is your side saying just okay besides the Trump evil Hitler because that shit didn't work Your side literally called him Hitler and the guy got shot in the freaking head. Okay, that's your party now now He's gonna be gone. Okay

Who are you guys going to put up? Who is it? Because it looks like it's going to be Gavin Newsom. He's podcast all this shifting to the other side. You guys literally have no money. I would bet you any amount of money that it's not Gavin Newsom. It's going to be the frontrunner for this upcoming... I will bet you any amount of money that the nominee in 2028 will not be Gavin Newsom. That nominee or is he going to be running? Guys, he's the frontrunner. Guys, place your bet. Yeah, let's place... $100? That's all? Let's do $500. Oh!

Look at the 500. Shook it for 100. Don't be a pussy. Adam, shut your freaking mouth. I bet you 500 all the freaking time. Bet in the middle at 250 right now. I still want to know who would you think in 2028. In 2028, who is going to, right now, I know it's a while out, who in 2028 is going to be the

frontrunner for the Democratic Party, if it's not going to be Gavin Newsom, who that slithering snake is making the move to do it. Who is it going to be? I'm very curious. I will bet you a thousand it won't be Gavin Newsom, but you're stuck in a hundred. But

I don't know. I think there's a chance that, I think that, like, if I had to guess, and this is not necessarily who I would support, and I'm going to wait. I don't really, to be honest with you, I have spent zero time thinking about 2028. But if I had to guess, I would say somebody. No, that's absolutely true. I would say Pritzker, Whitmer. Oh, God.

Pritzker. Pritzker. He's a billionaire. Are you comfortable with the fact that he's a billionaire? No. Like I say, I'm just guessing based upon what I'm seeing out there. I think Buttigieg also, not a fan. I think he's going to run. I think, like you say, Newsom's going to run. I would imagine there's going to be a couple of people in Congress who are going to run. Oh.

I don't know if we know, if I could, even in a list of people that I would name, I would feel that confident that I would know who would win. It's a cry of shame. Stow and Mullen have been dead for so long. That's funny. If you could root for one person, just like, I would like to see this person.

Who would it be? He said it earlier. AOC or Bernie. Oh, Bernie? Well, no, Bernie's, I mean, too old. So AOC? Is that your favorite candidate? No, I mean, AOC I don't think would win. So who's your person? If you could put your money on one person. That's my point. They don't have anybody. That was my point. They have nobody. I don't speak for the Democratic Party. I'm asking Sam Seder. I'm not asking the Democratic Party. You've got to have someone in mind that you would like to see. I think Murphy's also going to run. I want to see what people, like, who shows up with what?

I'm not even speculating. I'm asking, who would you want to see? You. No, no. You don't have anybody? Yeah, you don't understand. Really? Yeah, I want to see who's going to shoot. You're a big podcaster. You don't have one person you'd like to see?

To be president? Yes. It really depends on... Just give me a name of who you are. I don't have... How do you not have a name? Well, that was my point. They don't have anybody, bro. That's the whole point I was making. I'm not asking... I'm just saying Sam Seder, professional podcaster, progressive, democratic socialist. You don't have one person you'd like to see? Like to see as president? Himself. I'd vote for Sam. That's it. I mean, I'm curious. You know, I'd be curious, like...

I just don't know enough about someone like Andy Bashar. But you know enough of who you like. Just say who you like. I don't. I don't have that kind of relationship with politicians. You don't know their names? I've had on the show... Come on, Sam, bro. Do better. Just say a name and we'll move on. Jasmine Crockett. No, I don't like her policies. Who do you like? I mean...

I, Jim McGovern from Worcester, Mass. There we go. Jim McGovern. Congratulations, Jim McGovern. I would say Jim McGovern. There's our boy. Future President of the United States. Look at Jim. Jimmy McGovern. Get it, Jim. Making America great again. Let's go to the next story. I'd like to do two more. These are great, actually, congressmen. No doubt. He's got a chance.

Texas high school football star. You know, you should also keep an eye on Pat Ryan. I mean, there's some stuff I disagree with him on policy, but he's also pretty good up in the 18th. All right. Now you know names. I love it. Texas high school football star Austin Metcalf stabbed in the heart, left to die in twin brothers' arms at track meet. This is a very, very difficult story. This is the father. And Vinny, maybe you want to preface what happened with the story. Okay. So, so they, uh, uh,

allegedly they went to a, uh, a track meet. Yeah. And I guess the, the guy in the bottom, uh, said something like, or the, uh, the, the guy in the top said, Hey, you're like, you're in the wrong area. He stands up, stabs that kid on the top in the heart. Uh,

And the other guy runs away, and then his brother, his twin brother, comes and holds him as he's taking his last breath, and he dies. And then this is the father, which is the most – this is probably one of the most humble, Christian-based freaking interviews. He's getting a little bit emotional, but listen to what he says about the whole situation. He died in his brother's arms. They were twins, identical twins. And his brother was holding on to him, trying to make it stop bleeding, and he died in his brother's arms.

And I rushed up there and I saw him on the gurney and I could tell. They said he wasn't breathing. I could see all the blood. I saw where the wound was. Austin, his father shares, was born two minutes before his twin brother Hunter, the two inseparable. As you can imagine, Austin is being remembered as an outstanding student at Memorial High, his football team's MVP and a young man of faith. His father grappling with loss and forgiveness.

I'm not trying to judge, but what kind of parents did this child have? What was he taught? He brought a knife to attract me, and he murdered my son by stabbing him in the heart. The guy was in the wrong place, and they asked him to move, and he bowed up. This is murder. I don't know. I know they have someone in custody. And you know what? I already forgive this person. Already? Already.

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Paid for by Better Medicare Alliance. Wow. I think this is one of the most amazing testimonies I've seen in a long, long time. And I think there's something, there's two things here. He's asking without condemnation, just the question I think we all should be asking. What was up with the parents? Is this a single parent household? What sort of guidance was there? What sort of enablement, you know, are we giving to

and to stand up and say, I forgive this, most people won't understand. They say, I can't forgive him. I want him to go to prison. Well, maybe that's what you want, and maybe that's what you're going to get because there's consequences for crime, and if this young man, the one that's photographed there in the mugshot that's being circulated, if that's the guy and this is what he's done and the witnesses confirm it, then he's going to go to trial, and that's all going to shake out, and he's going to go to prison for a long, long time. And I think consequences are different

from forgiveness. And the forgiveness this guy has in his heart, which appears to be led by Christian values, is tremendous. And what it means is, I'm not going to let eternal bitterness here hurt me. Is he going to hate what happened? Absolutely.

And the loss he's got for his son, the grief has just begun. But he's also saying, I'm turning to the Lord to remove my bitterness so that I can go forward and live. And there's going to be consequences here on earth with this kid. There's two tragedies here. The tragedy is we have one young man, apparently, if this is the guy who's going to go to prison for a long, long time. So he's going to be gone to his friends and family, just as this young man that was murdered is gone to his family. And the question is,

What was the core of the belief structure and the life support and the examples and the mentoring and big brothers and people around that leaves this guy? Why do you bring a knife to an event? Because you have intent and you're going to show people and you're going to do things. This is all well documented in the failures of what goes on. And I have a lot of...

Man, I just got so much respect for the father at this time of grief to be speaking this way. But I've also got it. It says you get what you want. You know, you get what you vote for and you get what you want in this country. And if you want things that are going to help, you know, kids develop differently and better.

Let's get behind that. But there is a flaw somewhere in the heart of this kid that, number one, he's carrying a weapon that he intended to use, apparently, and he used it. Sam, what are your thoughts on this? Let's go look at that.

I think it's I mean, anything involving like children is difficult as as a parent. That's always like difficult to see. And I think, you know, very admirable. The father's response to it is sort of reminiscent of like what they call restorative justice, which I think.

has application in some areas and others, you know, a little bit more difficult. But, you know, that's what you're talking about when you talk about like that type of forgiveness and making sure that the victims of the crime or the family of the victims can move on and live their life without being stuck in that moment, you know, to the extent that you can. I can't even imagine losing a child or

a sibling, frankly. But I think it's a little bit exploitive to assume that this is such a, this is necessarily a political issue. I mean, yes, I don't think people should be carrying weapons in public. I don't know where this took place, what the gun laws are or what. But yes, I am against people having weapons in public.

I don't know why this guy brought the knife in his pocket when he left the house. I don't know what goes on at his house. I don't know if the guy was in a, was on the other team or, you know, I don't know any of the details about it. So I wouldn't, you know, make some type of like larger political statement that this has something to do with electoral politics. I mean, we have a society that, that in many ways, you know,

elevates violence and you know and I think you could argue the violence that we pay for you know in other countries and get back pictures on your TikTok every day of what the our weapons have done certainly MLK said you know every bomb that we drop in Vietnam blows up here and

And the idea behind that was that, like, you know, you cannot have a society that condones waging violence and not expect that violence to end up being self-inflicted. So, Adam. Well, it's a sad story. I mean, hurt people hurt people. I think it's entirely appropriate to speculate who raised this young man. You're 17 years old. You're bringing a knife.

To a track meet, someone asked you to, hey, get out of the way in the wrong place and you end up stabbing them in the heart. I mean, what's going on with this person? What type of emotional pain? What type of anger? What type of hurt was this person already dealing with that? This was how he enacted his revenge for being told to move at a track meet, you know?

Texas has the death penalty, if I'm correct. So I don't know what's going to happen with this kid. He's 17 years old. I'm sure he'll be tried as an adult, my opinion. But my message is to one person and one person only. It's to the twin brother who's still alive, Hunter. And I can't even imagine what this guy is going through right now. Because the father took the high road, obviously, probably a man of faith, a Christian, and

I understand his perspective. The twin brother who looks identical, I believe, I can't even imagine the hurt, the pain, the grief. Every time he looks in the mirror, he's going to see the brother that was killed and died in his arms.

Uh, you know, oftentimes people say, Hey, I'm praying for you. I'm praying for you. Genuinely. I think anyone that runs into this guy in his life, give this guy the biggest bear hug you possibly can and help this guy cope. I recently, uh, was in New York cause I had to go to a funeral for one of my closest friends, younger brothers. And, um, they were incredibly tight and to see the hurt in the family and the pain in the family and the hurt.

In my good friend's heart, because he lost his brother, it was so tough to deal with. And all I could do was give him a hug and say I'm there for him. So Hunter, the brother who's still alive, you're living for two now. My message to you would be like, honor your brother, live for him, and make the most out of this life because you got two people to represent for. So God bless.

Yeah, that was a very good take, Adam, on a story like this. You hear this, it breaks my heart. As a parent, you don't have anything to say. And for the father to react that way, I mean, give me a break. Like there's not more class to be shown than to handle that. You know, I don't see the story everywhere. I don't see people talking about it. I don't see it, you know, where it's being publicized or talked about. You did say you said this is, it's, what word did you use? You said a...

I don't think it's a story for us to use as anything. You said something about political. I don't think there's political or anything to it. The question that a lot of people would ask is, what would have happened if this was the flip side? Who would be covering it right now? Where would it be right now? Where would the story be right now? That's the divisiveness of what America's sick of. That's the divisiveness. That father gave a message that's a unifying message. That father gave a message that is a...

example to other fathers that you try to, you're like, oh my God, the standard. But to me, when we think about why America flipped in certain places and why maybe mainstream media has been getting a black eye just as much as a democratic party, just as much as the U S government, just as much as CIA, just as much as FBI, uh,

It's because the American people are just sick of it. They're fed up. They want to go back to living a normal life, and they want these divisive messages to slow down and find ways for us to sit down and have a conversation together. Sham, there's probably less than 10% of policies you and I would agree with. The more and more I listen to you speak and say the things that you say and your approach to it, I sit there and I say, hmm, I can't understand this guy, why he believes what he does. But you know what I will say?

Tremendous respect for you to come here. You came, you gave your arguments, did your thing, you leave. This is the second time we've done this. Not a lot of your peers do this often, and they all get invited.

They all get invited, but they don't come. I don't know that I have any peers. No, what I mean is from people on the left that are... You have no friends and peers? You got 1.76 million subscribers. You put up 26,000 views. You are somebody that in your space you speak and you have an audience that listens to you. They like to see your perspective. But a lot of people on the left when we invite them, for whatever reason, they don't show up.

And I got so much respect. It's a long trip for me. It's just a straight shot down from New York. I got respect for a guy to come in, sit down, have the conversation. And everybody that's watching this, whether you agree with him or not, you have to respect that he came here. Because that, to me, is a very, very high level of respect of anybody that's willing to have the conversation. If you do that, we need more of that. And let the American people decide and say, I don't agree with Pat.

I think Pat is wrong here. I don't agree with Sam. I think I agree with Sam. I think I agree with that. No problem. You get to decide, and we get to have the conversation. Let me at least return the compliment to you because I, according to Tim Poole, was blacklisted by all the right-wing shows two years ago when you had me on, and I think it was my opportunity to say I can be well-behaved, but

uh, sitting here and, we can get into arguments and whatnot. Uh, you were the only show that would do it. Now, Tim has since sort of oddly reversed and I was on his show in November. Uh, but, um,

after I think he sat right here and said that I was a grifter, but, uh, but be that as may. So I appreciate that. And I appreciate the fancy car that took me here. Oh, next time we'll just do a regular Uber X and put you in economy, Sam. Feel free. Sam, two minute ride publicly. Please come back again. Would you? Um,

A year from now, whatever. What do you mean? Even in four years with the bet, it's $100. Exactly. I'll come back for that $100. We should charge interest on that. So tomorrow we have Terrence Howard. That podcast is going to go up. Very interesting conversation. I brought a guy that was a 17-year...

He's currently with NASA. Like, he had to give a disclaimer and say, my opinions today are not the opinions of NASA. Oh, wow. So we brought a physicist that works at NASA to sit down while we had Terrence here. We had a lot of different conversations. Play this intro. This will go out tomorrow morning, 9 a.m. Go ahead, Rob. After I'm done here today, I'm going to put online the equations necessary to have unlimited energy just to say, f*** you, to the world. Interesting. Okay.

Okay. You guys have never met. And you're currently working for NASA. That's correct. I don't have the degrees he has. And guess what he doesn't have? He doesn't have an understanding of how the universe works. You don't think Eric Weinstein has an understanding? He has no understanding. Entire quantum mechanics built on this model. He's wrong. He's bringing another dimension. Okay. Okay.

If another country gets their hands on this... It's an end of America. What have you found? If I have to go to China, they won't hesitate a moment to use Lynchpad, which they're forcing me to do. Do you know that they took away my passport? Why does this matter? Puffy invited me... Are you saying what I think you're saying? He's like, I think he's trying to f*** you. That's what my assistant said. I was like, oh. If it's wrong, you'll never hear from me again. I'll walk away.

But if I'm right, let me tell you, it was so entertaining. By the way, here's the crazy part. Guys, you know who I'm talking about? Here's the crazy part. By the way, it's very interesting because you know he was on Rogan, the first one. It was very interesting. Yeah, of course. And then they do the one with Eric Weinstein, the four-hour, which I thought it was fascinating to watch the exchange. But for whatever reason,

The gentleman, Dr. Yu, from NASA didn't fully disagree with some of the things he was talking about, which was very weird for me and had never met. So he didn't find him.

We didn't tell him that he was going to be here until he came here. The first time he met Dr. Yu was two minutes before we went live. Yeah, I saw him. I saw the meat. That's right. So anyways, by the way, here's the crazy part. Terrence Howard's on my neck. I said, Terrence, all these people that ask me stuff, I'm not doing it no more. I want them to ask you. So if anybody wants to ask any questions of Terrence Howard...

Download the app, Manect. Rob, do you have the QR code? We do. We have the lower third right now. Okay, so it's in the lower third. If you see it, just go. You can send him a Manect, and whatever questions, thoughts, and stuff that you have, he's officially on Manect. You can ask him the question. All right, Sam Cedar's YouTube channel is going to be also below in the description. If you want to give it a sub and follow his content, we're going to put that there as well. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Thanks.