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Yeah, Dana, I travel all over and sometimes, you know, you're on the road. Sometimes I get stuck with a hotel I don't love. And what happens is you think you see a few pictures, we look online, then you get there. And sometimes I was like, I should have tried to do an Airbnb on this one, you know? Yeah, I was on a road trip to Montana and we stopped in Winnemucca, Nevada. And Winnemucca...
There's a toddler in town. Let's just say there wasn't maybe the best choices in Winnemucca. So an Airbnb would have been a much better choice, but I still had a good time in Winnemucca. Don't want to badmouth the town. You know, people can also take their houses and make them Airbnbs. That's the other flip side of that. You know, you go stay at nice ones, but if you have a place...
It could be big or small, you know, you never know. So. Yeah. And while you're away, your home could be an Airbnb. Yeah. Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at Airbnb.com slash host. Jack Black, Dana. Always funny. Always upbeat. Always in a good mood. And, uh,
He lived up to all that today. Yes. And we happened to, in this particular case, interview him on the Monday after he hosted this banging episode on SNL. Yeah. And then his movie, Minecraft, also. Same weekend, yeah. Gigantic smash. So he was in a really good mood. He may be kind of in the legendary category because he's been around long enough, but couldn't be nicer, funny. It was just an easy guy.
Easy conversation to have with the great Jack Black. Yeah. Fun comedian. I see him out and about sometimes. Always seems up for chatting and laughing and just cracking up. And he's just out there doing whatever it takes. And just always goofy on these press things. And everyone likes to be around him. All the way back from School of Rock. Just we went over a lot of his stuff and then just basically cracked up. Yeah. Anyway, enjoy Jack.
The one and only Jack Black. Do you know how difficult it is to get a jean jacket that really works? In this day and age? Yeah. Very difficult. Because it'll be too big, too small. So I was at, I was at Metaphorical Cigar, New York Magazine photo shoot. They go, here, try this jean jacket. So I said, well, this looks like a good jean. So I walked off with it and then they found me and I said, okay, I mean,
Is it okay if I, I mean, I'll pay you, but then they came back 20 minutes later and said, you can keep it $95. Wow. And how much for the glasses, the string that holds your glasses on your head? These are, get me one of those. These are one seven fives. I'm supposed to go to twos.
Oh, yeah. What are you at for up close vision? I am prescription. So I don't even know what they're doing. It's like one eye is probably different than the other. Up top is just like normal. Down here is for reading. In the sunlight, it turns into sunglasses. These things are like supercharged. Where do you go? I need all that. I'm just too lazy. That's where the money's going. Yep. All of my money goes to my optometrist. I go on Larchmont Optometrics.
Nice. I used to live in near Larchmont. Great group of ladies over there. It's all ladies at my... I don't know what happened this last weekend. I'm kind of out of town. I'm not good at research, but I heard there's some... A couple things happened. I did a little indie film.
called Minecraft. How did that do? You know, according to reports, it's gone bonkers and the kids are going in there and just like throwing popcorn and just losing their minds. I know. I've heard about this chaos. It looks kind of like...
like Rocky horror picture show. Like there's a lot of participation. These kids have already, they come in already knowing the dialogue because of the memes. Oh, you have to say it that way. Why? I was thinking, did you see this coming or, or I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little surprised. I mean, I loved it. I saw, I saw a couple of weeks before it came out and I was like,
Look, I like it, but what the hell do I know? I don't know. Hopefully people will like it. I like stuff and then it comes out and the reviews are just garbage and I'm like, what? And actually, the reviews were kind of mixed on this one, but it didn't seem to matter because the kids have spoken. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They come to party. You get them hooked in and now there's a trick and a fun thing to do. Yeah. That's the best. But then there's also a weird backlash where some of the theaters –
This is just news I'm getting from TikTok, so I don't know if this is true. I'm just getting bits and pieces. If it's TikTok, it is true. Come on. There's talk of illegalizing the movie because kids are going to bananas throwing popped corn. And if they don't stop throwing popped corn, the movie will be illegal. Popped corn? There's an S in there? Isn't it popcorn? Popped corn. That's what the theater owner said. Listen, hey, man. I think it's good, though.
Should it be illegal? This is a question everyone's been asking lately about this movie. It's controversial. Is it because the chicken comes in? The chicken comes in. I don't think that's controversial. Nothing we do in the movie is controversial. But the effect it's having on the youth of the nation, you know, it's creating concern. It's like, we don't want that kind of...
that kind of rowdy behavior. We can't condone that kind of bedlam, but I'm saying it's so hard to get butts in seats nowadays. Yeah. Someone else, another popcorn scooper. I'm going to do a prediction that this thing's going to have a lot of multiple viewings. It's not going to be seen anytime soon on TV.
you know, Amazon. Right. You can rent it for $495 or buy it for $300. Oh, wait. Does it go somewhere after this? Because a lot of movies sometimes go to a... Keep it in the theaters, man. That's my... Is it theaters? It's theaters only right now. I actually don't know what the plan is, where it goes after that for the secondary. And it's kind of cool that there's no plan in place. Whatever you call it. 168 million. Yeah.
You know, I'm just curious about this, like Nacho Libre. Yeah. Napoleon Dynamite. Yeah. Jared here. So what, what went right and how could this movie have gone wrong? And what, what were the choices that made besides casting you as the lead? That was good. From what I understand.
I'm going to see it tomorrow. There's people who really want to see it. They don't even know I'm talking to you right now. I would say it's more like co-leads. It's me and Jason Momoa. It's a one-two punch. Okay. We spend the first half of the movie being...
rivals and you know it's a it's a little bit of a competition for alpha dominance and then over the course and you are competing with him that's the that's where we flip the script because this time I'm the one who's seen that dude the badass yeah I'm the one with all the the fighting skills and he's he's a
He's the pretty face who's really actually terrified of this world. Oh, he looks funny in that eye. Did you guys have an enthusiasm off during lunch and stuff? Enthusiasm off. I like him a lot. I saw him at the 50th. He's a jolly fellow. He's a fun dude. There was a little bit of a competition for who brought the most enthusiasm energy. It was never spoken. We never said, hey.
May the best enthusiasm win, but he would come in with a lot of noise and energy with his motorcycle. Noise. Oh, he brings a motorcycle. That's like cheating. Yes, and you would hear like he has a band and they would be jamming in his trailer. Very loud. Right out of the gate. And I was like, okay.
Fine. And then I got my little boombox Bluetooth speaker and I'd come in blazing whatever jam I thought was the right one for the day. So we were, you know, we were battling for the hearts and minds of that crew. Yeah, you know music too. He shouldn't mess with that. I know what you're doing. Well, we joined forces. We did a little jamming together. We're kind of simpatico. That's why I wanted to work with him because I felt like
We're going to be two peas in a pod. He likes the same kind of music I like, and he's got a similar energy, even though he's a foot taller and all muscle, and women come running from the four corners of the earth to get a whiff of this guy. That's a little different than my clientele, but...
We still have you do fine. There was some sexual energy. I mean, we can bounce around between the two. Between you and the chicken jockey. I'm going to call it Jack Black April or maybe contact my congressman or something. There should be some national creed because first of all, I have two questions. One is what happened 20 years ago?
Cause you came out and it exploded. We can, I want to go over the show and what it was. It was exceptional. So first of all, what happened 20 years ago? Cause I did one that kind of sucked.
And I could just say it in 2010, it just tilted wrong, you know, and it was, I was pushing and it just wasn't good. So I haven't been asked back, but what happened to you? How is Jack Black not, how do they go two decades without you on that show? Oh, you're saying on SNL. Yeah. 20 years ago. And then so.
I don't remember you having a bad day on SNL. Exactly. But I do remember seeing lots of great performers have a bad night on SNL because it's just part of the, it's the, it's the nature of the beast, right? It's the, it's a high wire act. It shouldn't work.
It's like they put it and it's terrifying because it's like, wait, we're held together with scotch tape. And that's kind of the fun is you get to see a belly flop, potential belly flop, because it's live. There's no second takes. And you want you almost watching it. You kind of want to see some mistakes because that's.
There's nothing else like it. The funnest part. Oh, you had mistakes. I had mistakes. You had someone yell from the crowd. That's not a mistake. That's fun. That's definitely fun for the audience. I liked your leap off the stage in the monologue because I said, that guy got vertical and I was never afraid for you physically. Because I almost killed myself many times in that place. I have some training. A lot of people don't know this, but I trained judo for a few years in my teens and
So the first thing they teach you in judo is how to dive roll. It's like a little mini tiger roll. And it's been part of my onstage bag of tricks for ever since. The Kung Fu Panda, too. Yep. A little animated. People don't know I was doing the tiger roll in the recording booth. No.
I thought you had the little green dots on you and that was really you, like you're running around. I had fun with that opening monologue. I did a little rock and a little diving and rolling. But if I'm honest with you, I was struggling with the cardio because I made the choice to run up those stairs. Yeah. It wasn't actually my idea. That was more of a John Higgins idea. You know Steve Higgins' son works on the show now.
Yeah, yeah. And he's great. He's hilarious. And he and his partners in Please Don't Destroy, they're like the new guys that make the hilarious music videos and videos every week. They were like shepherding me with my monologue section and they thought it would be a great idea to run up into the audience and like have a marching band up there and then run down the other side of the stairs.
And I got a little winded. So the main thing was just hold my wind together. Because you had a whole show after that. Did you have any rest in that? Because when you knew you were going back down the stage, did you get a little bit of a rest?
Because I was thinking about that and it can happen. But when you said we got a great show, the flag never touched the ground. You weren't like, we got a great show. So I was impressed. And I wanted to ask you about that fitness and some of the leg kicks and the little dancing. I mean,
It was wild. Yeah, I didn't... I could have used a little more training leading up to it. Maybe I should have done the Ozempic or something to drop a few LBs. That would have helped. But, you know, I just remember...
When Chris Farley would do his physical shit, he did stuff way more extreme. He'd be running like a wind sprint down the Letterman thing and lifting up people and throwing people. And he got winded and sweaty, but he never broke a stride. You know what I mean? And I wish I had that kind of, I don't know, maybe. I think it's a home run. I mean, by the way, the monologue was like perfection for me. I love the entro. Who thought of that where you go and I can't do it. I don't feel it.
That just gave me goosebumps when you went around. Don't do that to me. And then you did that rhythm that you do, because I can't, whatever that little thing you do. And a good song. And everyone knew it was on when you did the turn. That was my turn. That was mine. I wanted to do that turn. And the reason I wanted to do it is because that was actually true. I do have a lot of fear. And leading up to it, I was like...
I don't know if I can do it. And part of me was wishing, wouldn't it be nice if I could just quit? I'd like to quit and not do it. And then I was like, I'm going to make that part of the monologue. I'm going to make that insecurity part of it. And then the turn like, no, I will host again.
Because you see some hosts go in there with some wispy monologues. I mean, there's like some minute 30 monologues where they're like, hey, here's a clip from my movie and here's our musical guest. I'm like, that's it? I get it. And then conversely, it was not that long ago that I think Dave Chappelle broke the record for the longest monologue, right? I think so. I think it was 19 minutes or something. Yeah, 19 minutes. 12 cigarettes. That's like a quarter of the show. Yeah.
When he's hosting, you're like, oh no, my sketch is gone. Did Lorne give you a thumbs up during the show or anything? Like during the show and between sketches? A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. I mean, I was pretty...
pace yourself, Jack. Dude, Lorne said the funniest thing. I don't think he was trying to be funny, but after the rehearsal, when I, he saw me do the tiger roll and he saw me doing that rock and number and he saw me sweating and wheezing. And he said,
I just want to tell you a story. This is not a good. No, that actually is good. I like it already. Yeah. In the 70s, this is the beginning. We had Desi Arnaz on the show. That's all right. And he was getting up there. He was in his 70s. And I wanted him on because I just thought, yes, he's older, but he's an icon. And he had been on.
you know, uh, Lucille balls. And, uh, and I was like, yeah, oh my God, that must've been a trip. I'd love to see that. And he said that, uh, Desi, um, was kind of struggling. He wanted to do his Babalu number. That was like his trademark that he'd been doing, you know, live for, for decades. And, uh,
and, and Lauren was a little worried about it. You know, can he still pull it off? And he was doing it, but he could see that he was starting to sweat and really struggle physically while he was babble-ooing and he wouldn't stop. And, and then he looked closer on the screen and he's like, Desi's lips started to turn blue and he started to worry like, Oh, he's about to die. And he like just pulled the plug on it and said, just go to commercial, whatever. And, uh,
And when I was like, wait a second, are you telling me this story because you're worried I'm going to die? When did he tell you the story? He was just warning me not to go too hard. Because if I went full hard as a motherfucker, I could end up... But you're a kid. You're 55, right? Exactly. It's apples and oranges.
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Don't you love the matching numbers? 33, 44, 55, still alive. 56, I'm going to fix. 57, I'm in heaven. 58, don't be late. 59, won't you be mine? 60, oh, 60. I had no rhyme for that one. But 55 is a cool age. I could, yeah. I like that. I mean, doing Minecraft, doing that is, doing a movie grind every day, no one even thinks about it, but it's,
I don't know where you're on location or what you're doing, but just to get up every day, memorize your lines, be on the set, take after take, heat, cold, changing. Working with CGI. It's a beating. Lights. Oh, yeah, working with CGI. Where'd you do it? We did it all in New Zealand, in Auckland. Oh, okay.
And that was a great kind of reunion for me with some of those crew members. Cause I had worked in New Zealand on King Kong 20 years earlier. Yeah. Yeah. That was the last time I hosted SNL as a matter of fact, cause I, and I did a King Kong song in my monologue that time, 20 years ago. King Kong song. Steve Higgins really helped out with that one. Was that Naomi Watts? Yup.
That was Naomi Watts. Oh, yeah. I saw it, of course. Adrian Brody. Oscar, two-time Oscar winner. Two-time Oscar. That guy, you don't see him for a while, and then it's an Oscar. Yes. And he's great in that era. Apparently, you put him in World War II era, he wins Oscars every time. But yeah, I carried around one of those old-timey cameras, and I was the film director. That's heavy.
It was really, yeah, it was heavy. And Peter Jackson, he's a real stickler for authenticity. No, I thought you were going to say that. I'm like, no, no. Give me a cardboard. One time on Tommy Boy, I had a briefcase and everything was too heavy for me. I'm like, guys, I'm just trying to float through this scene. I got a bad neck. And they're like, all right. And then I go...
fuck, what do you got in this briefcase? Baby's first bricks. And then I open it up and it's stuffed with files to make it real. I go, listen, no one's looking inside the, I'm just carrying it. And they go, okay. So the prop guy brings it back. I go, Ooh, it's light. And he goes, yeah, we took the pulp out of the paper. I go, thank you. They were being an asshole to me. I didn't, I didn't even catch it. I'm like, Oh, good job.
Yeah. But it matters lugging that every take and you're on a mountainside or something. I don't know. Yeah. Um, but I had a ball, I had a ball on that one. Um, uh, we, uh, what can't, what's King Kong been up to? You'd still talk to him. Yeah, man. He's, uh, he's directing now.
After the shoot, everyone kind of goes their own way. So you, did you go to the party? I mean, you seem pretty well put together. Did you, how did, when did you crash? The after party? Did you go all night after all? I mean. No, I did. I did go to the party. You have to go to the party. It's, but you're the host. You're kind of the host of the party. I know. Um,
uh went went there and uh gave hugs to all my peeps and and said hi to lauren thanked him for for the the fun opportunity um did you know minecraft was killing at that point gave you a little extra yes it was kind of a a great thing about being on on snl is uh is that we had the the movie was already doing gangbusters so it was kind of like a yeah
That will relax a host that they have this behemoth as they come in, in their back pocket. Like, I sure hope this host goes good, but you know, we're probably going to be over, we're over 300 million right now. Sorry, but I guess, you know. It's a wind, the wind beneath your wings carried me through. But,
But it doesn't really matter. Look, it doesn't really matter because when you're on SNL, it doesn't matter. There's no such thing as like a victory lap. You're still terrified of shit in the bed. So I was like, I was pretty, I was pretty amped and ready to go. But yeah, there's a, there's a fear factor as well. No question about it. When you're standing back there at that door, that back door, when they're counting down the 10 seconds, when they're,
genie just did it's just terrifying jenna jenna this is so weird one line goes off or or or you know liz the director if there's cuts between dress and air and i told this it's just like i really hit me how hard it is to know when to go where you're just seeing it for the first time yeah and then go there um
I was just curious which ones blew up for you in your mind, like, fuck, we hit it. Cause you want the air show to be, we really hit it. So love matches going viral. Oh, and I thought it was inspired writing as well. Yeah. And Dismukes was really funny. He really was mad at me. It felt like I felt like he he's really mad at me. What is it? Great. It's great.
And that one felt great. I got to say, I was impressed with all the writing. I liked all of them. And even a couple of the ones that got cut, I wish they had made it. There was one where they got cut where I was a father who wanted to come visit his son's divorced couple and wanted to come visit his kids. And I had to confess, hey,
I've been coming here every day pretending to be the maid, kind of like Mrs. Doubtfire style. It was a really funny idea. And the confession that I was the Doubtfire Maiden. But I was also from Trinidad, so it was really... Oh, shit. Wait, my...
My sports television just came on. I turned that off. You ever do that? You hold it for an hour and then it kicks back on. It was first take. I like to hear the talking heads talk about the sports. The Lakers. Yeah. I'll do it for you. Luka. Luka.
Luca Brasi's good. Yeah. Hey, while I got you, I'm going to turn the tables. I'm going to ask a couple of questions. Please do. Spade, first of all, I've read all your books, Spade.
And when I say I read them, I mean I listened to them. Yeah. Which is actually the way you're supposed to take in your books, in my opinion, because your delivery is kind of like half of the magic. And I noticed, you know that, because if you want to buy your book, it costs five bucks. But if you want to listen to your book, it costs 20 bucks. I was like, oh, he knows. Yeah.
Is that true? I didn't know that. No, it's not that. That's not the cost spread. I just noticed it cost a little bit more if you want to hear the delivery. Sure. And making me laugh. Gotta wet the beak. Making me laugh very hard. No, I see Jack Black over the years and, uh,
He is as advertised. He's fun. He's in a good mood. He's nice. And always a couple of laughs for sure. The true story. I don't see him enough. So that's not really a question. I just wanted to tell you, I'm a fan of your readings and I look forward to the next. Are you working on another one?
No, no, you're done. You're like, no, I just did a special cause the standup, it really is, um, kind of podcasting sort of jumped instead of audio books. You know what I mean? I sort of told my life story. And then now when we do this, we just tell our same stories every week. And then, um,
To do a standup special, same thing. It's like, just, it's all, it's all blurring in the same thing. People sometimes, I told Dana, I do stand up and then these nitpickers are like on my Instagram on Monday going, actually, I saw a part of one of those stories on Ellen a few years ago. I go, yeah, no shit, Sherlock.
I got to scrape together a goddamn hour. And of course, I'm going to dig in anywhere I can. I don't know. I don't have any adventures anymore. No, I've made peace with the fact that I'm going to be repeating my same life stories over and over again in every interview for the rest of my life. It is what it is. I've made peace with it. I know. I don't have my teens anymore. Oh, I can't tell the same story because then people will go, oh, I've already heard it and turn up.
Nine times out of 10, they've never heard the story or don't remember the story. Who the fuck cares? You just tell your story. Or they like to hear it again. And you never tell it the same way. I do my act. I was doing standup this weekend. Oh, sorry, Jack. Just give me 20 minutes here. I was doing standup and I...
and i tell us and i go i'm doing all this new stuff because i have to put together more material and i'm like give me my old juicy closer that fucking works where you know what i mean you go why do i have to throw this in the garbage and then you never get complaints if you do a bit that kills no one's ever like change it i loved it but i think i've heard it's like good when i see comics do with a bit from 1983
Dana, I have a question for you. I have a question for you, Dana. Now I'm going to turn the tables again. Yeah. It's your turn to be in the hot seats. Like Connie and Moreau on Bronco. You know how, you know how like when, when, when you host SNL, you get a little dinner early in the week, like a Tuesday dinner. Right. And, and,
That Lorne hosts, but really you're hosting because you're the host. You're also kind of the host. You sit next to Lorne and you feel a little pressure to like entertain the table because it's like you're the host. So I don't know. Zingy, zingy, boom, boom. And somehow we got on the topic of your appearance on Bill Maher's Real Time with Bill Maher and how you just didn't let him get a word in edgewise. And it was the funniest thing.
I like that show. I watch that show. I've never seen anyone just take full command like you did. And yeah, we were all singing your praises. Did you go on to Bill Maher real time with that plan? No. No. You just showed up and then he just...
I, you know, I'm doing this stuff without an audience and SNL doing Biden. It was a little, I was part of a team and it's sort of like I came out and there are 80 people standing up with a lot of noise. And so that just triggered me like, okay, I'm just going to ride this wave. And then I realized that, you know, Bill, we kind of got to know him. He's a bit of a curmudgeon. So you kind of want to,
You want to flop up his hair and give him a hug, you know, kind of like, Oh, you know, cause you know, underneath there's a marshmallow there somewhere. But, um, just wrote, wrote the wave, had a lot to get out of my brain, I guess. And, but, uh, yeah, it was, it's fun when you just don't, you just let you let go. You're not really thinking I had, I was doing a truncated version of what I do on stage right now, but anyway, um,
That makes me happy. Thank you. Well, um, do you do any music on your onstage act now? Oh yeah. I've never stopped because in the honky tonk bars, uh,
you know clubs i used to play the audience would start to fade and talk and they were drunk show us your dick and then there'd be the blender yeah so i started bringing an acoustic guitar up and fiddling around with it and playing chords and doing neil young and things like that just because of the noise would get the audience like stop talking so yeah i do like to play guitar at the end and uh
I do different things like something you would do. I do a thing about a heavy metal guy who's angry at the microphone. So he's walking away from it and really hitting these power chords. Then he goes toward it and then he walks back, you know? So I do stuff like that. I love, I love playing the guitar on stage, but I do it. Just so, just so your audience knows, um, uh, Dana, Dana, I've told you Dana, but you were such a big influence on me early on when I was watching SNL and I saw you play that song.
the broccoli song broccoli. Yeah. Where clearly you were making the, the gag was that you were making it up as you went along. But I don't know if I'd ever laughed that hard and just seeing like a song can
like that and be so fucking funny. And also the reactions to your song of them, just like drinking up every Sigourney. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was a big inspiration and a big, big reason why I started doing a comedy music combos. So,
I don't know if you get that in people coming up to you now and saying, you know, I saw you do this and I'm doing this, but that always shocked me. I didn't, I had not watched that sketch until maybe two months ago.
I never watched anything. And I thought, oh, that was pretty good, you know, because I'm self-critical. Me too. You're like, what about it that people like? It's fun to watch. And so many people yell it out because I guess there's no joke. And your style is kind of rhythmic and I don't know what you call it too, but abstract and musical, really. Yeah.
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You know, it's funny. I'm glad you asked that because it's kind of my main thing that I do with my time. The content I like to put into my headphones when I go on my walks to get my steps so I can live longer. I like to listen because I realize I'm not listening to music at all. I'm listening to podcasts. I'm listening to books. I want to listen to music again. So I came up with this plan, chrono marathons.
So you take bands that you already love, that you've loved all your life, but you haven't really listened to in a long time. And you go from the very beginning, their first album chronologically over the course of their whole catalog. And it's a great way to just plug back into music. And it's the anti like,
one song at a time, Spotify or whatever, that Pandora's where it, AI picks shit for you. It's like, oh yeah, it's reading my mind. Nah, you take command and you listen. Fuck you AI, take this. It's going to sound really dumb, but you know, I did the classics. Okay. I did the boring ones. No, why aren't there? I still,
I started with, I think I started, did I start with Pink Floyd? I think it was Pink Floyd. Right out of the gate. Animals, me. Has there ever been a better album than Dark Side of the Moon? Steely D.
Uh, yeah. Weirdly the very next one they did right after that, because I wish you were here. I think it's a better, it's a better wreck. It's a fucking great record, but that's their window because before dark side of the moon, there's great moments and like interesting. And like, you can see, Oh, I can see they're starting to get there. They're starting to figure it out. But dark side of the moon, uh,
It's just a bomb that goes off where it's like, this is the beginning of their real incredible window. Because then the next album, I Wish You Were Here, and then The Wall, that to me is their window. Oh, shit. The ones after that, people are like, no, no, you got to put animals in there. I say, nah, I think the window's closing. That's what I said. It's good. No, there's good stuff. But that way. And it's cool to see all the bands you picked
All of them. They have a window where it's like, yeah, they're great. And then the ending stuff, there's some good stuff later, but that, you know, and it's fascinating to find that, that juice. Cause you go, oh yeah, I love Billy Joel. When do you love Billy Joel? Cause there's a window. You don't love all of it. There's some hot cheese. I want to ask you a Pink Floyd question just for a second. Are you part of the cadre of people that,
who if they have to nominate the best solo in rock history, they often...
There's a lot of great guitar players, Beck and everybody, but David Gilmour and Comfortably Numb, that guitar solo, tone, choice of note, whatever you want to call it. Every time I hear it, I go, really? That's not human. It's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It is. Yeah. He is definitely in my top three. I love David Gilmour. Oh, good call. Comfortably Numb is on which album?
Comfortably numb is on the wall, of course. Okay, don't act like I'm saying dumb shit. I felt like it was a test if I failed it all of a sudden. It was a test. I'm like, oh, wait, I didn't want to trip him up. But what about animals, Jack? I almost said the White Album.
It has a soft spot. Don't get me going on the White Album. I love it. Dana, hold on with your Beatles. I know. I was going to say, no surprise. The best chrono marathon you can do is the Beatles. But don't do that first because then you don't really want to do any more chrono marathons after the Beatles because everything sounds like garbage. Jeez, you're like my new best friend. It's too good. I know. And too varied. I mean, I was talking to...
The guy who just produced, what was it? Jimmy Fallon and the gentleman who just produced Elton John's album. I'm so sorry for that. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no. His name is Watt. Yes. Andrew Watt. Andrew Watt. Super nice guy. Hung out with him at the parties. Brilliant. Really smart. And him and Jimmy Fallon. Oh, yeah. We love the Beatles. We love them a lot, you know? And I said to both of them, I just said, have you...
What do you think of that? They go, Abbey Road. Have you listened to Revolver? And neither of them really were familiar with Revolver. Yeah. I mean, Eleanor Rigby, She's Leaving Home, And Your Bird Can Sing. Yeah. Lennon's first song was, was it?
Girl or no one at one of those Lenny songs, you know, anyway, so I feel the same way. I also I also Zeppelin will come on sometimes on Sirius and I go that shouldn't be allowed. It shouldn't happen. Zeppelin is a weird one where their window actually was almost the whole thing.
They didn't have any. That's true. The last album, Coda, it was hit or miss. There's still some crushing jams on that one. But for the most part, it's an insane, like you do wonder, wait, did they worship Satan? Because how did they get so many great records and so many great riffs?
How long was that run, Jack? It's a nine album run. It's a nine album run. And right out of the gate, you got Good Times, Bad Times, one of my favorite songs of all time. Is that Purple Operator? No, it's just John Bonham and whoever mic'd his drums or how they got the value and the connection between the snare and the kick drum. We talked with Bill Burr about this because he's a drummer and a drummer fanatic, you know, but
that tone bill burr also great on on uh bill maher bill burr came out and really went straight at him oh that wasn't that wasn't on his show that was on his podcast oh yeah you're coming in with your smart ideas you think you know all this fucking stuff you know you're just an armchair athlete you don't know fucking dick all right bill i mean i was i love to watch him get roasted it's great yeah
But I really want to go see him on Broadway. He's on Broadway right now with Bob Odenkirk, who we all know and have in common as a friend. Definitely. I would love to see Bob Odenkirk on Broadway. I think they just did their Broadway show, Glen Gary, Glen Ross, and just walked over to 30 Rock because they were all, well, three of them were there because Kieran was there, Bill and Bob.
But I want to go see that. I'm going to find a, I'm going to find an excuse to fly out there. Jack killed it. Oh my God. It's so good. It was so funny. You know, Bob gave me my big break because he, he put tenacious D on HBO with yep. Little short films that would, would play before Mr. Show. And that put us on the map. And so I always, I always, uh,
Thank my lucky stars that we crossed paths. What was your movie that kind of boosted you up? Was it High Fidelity? It was High Fidelity that got me really going, yeah. In the game? And that was because John Cusack liked Tenacious D. I always think it was him that pushed it through because he was the star producer and writer of that jam.
And I don't know. He wrote it. Yeah. Well, he co-wrote it for Steve pink and DVD Vincent is, but yeah. So that was before school of rock. And that was, that was a big one. Cause at the premiere for high fidelity, uh,
Um, at the after party, George Clooney came up and I was with my mom and he said, that was fucking incredible. Something like that. I can't remember what he said. And my mom just about shatter pants. It was like, I knew it was like, oh, this is different.
This is a different. Dude, he was at a premier of mine and he talked to my mom too. I swear to God. And my mom was fucking flipping out. He knows what to say. Push me into a wood chipper. Yeah. I mean, he's got the power. No,
Oh, yeah. It was nailing it. It was right in the pocket, too. Trop Thunder, of course. The Holiday is one that a lot of people love. The Holiday. The Holiday. How did you weasel into that one? It was really out of my comfort zone. Isn't it like Jude Law? One of my wife's favorite movies. It's in her rotation every year. Kate Winslet.
Dude, I fucked up and said Cate Blanchett when I meant Winslet. That's their fault, though. Their names are too similar. Yeah, that's not playing fair. But that was really the best part is like, yeah, how am I in a scene with Cate Winslet and we're like semi-romantic? How did I get this part?
But I was like, I'm going to roll with it. She seems cool. She's cool as hell. She's not snooty. But she's definitely, there's something in my mind that looks wrong with that picture. It's like, no.
All these scenes should be how she's out of my league. Okay, whatever. I'm just going to pretend like this is normal. And that was the acting, was just acting like this isn't ridiculous. Yeah, and Cameron Diaz is a blast. I was never in that situation in a movie. You haven't felt that?
They always put like a goofy comedian like us with some hottie and everyone's supposed to buy it. It's the best. Yeah. Yeah. It's so great. They go, wait, what part of mine? I'm like, the part that the girl that falls in love with me. And they're like, oh, I got to reread it then. I didn't think that would be me. Yeah.
And you got your old Tropic Thunder, hilarious. I'm just running through these, Jack. You've heard of these. Tropic Thunder, all I really think about- Tropic Thunder is infamous at this point. Infamous. There's never been a movie made like it before. Up there with these best comedies. It's danced outside the lines, shall we say. Oh, you were blonde hair in that? That's right. I had some blonde hair.
But Robert Downey Jr. got an Oscar nomination. You don't hear about that very often in the comedies. Was it for that? For supporting role in, yes, in Tropic Thunder. Oh, I didn't know that. Ben Stiller.
He really wanted to shoot that like a beautiful, not like a comedy. He wanted it to look like a gorgeous Oscar nominate. And he got like the best outdoor cinematographer in the world. His name escapes me now, but he's genius. Of course it does. Sorry about that. I can't remember any names. What about Casualties of War? It's probably that guy. Yeah. They have those old movies like that.
Uh-oh. Yeah. That wasn't a set-up, Dana. I'm not going to make you do it. No, I was thinking that's not a set-up. I was just saying. Do you? Do you do Sean Penn or Michael J. Fox? Sean Penn. She's a VC. Clarky. Do you remember that movie? Of course. I saw it on the theaters. John Reilly was Clark. John C. Reilly. That was a weird pick for Michael J. Fox to be in that movie. Yeah.
Well, he was going for that switcheroo. Well, you know, he'd been known for comedies and he wanted to say, hey, wait a second. Let's just test the waters. Let me dip my toe in these other water. You can't blame him. Sometimes it works.
Look at Steve Carell. Look at Steve Carell. If you want to talk about going from comedy to drama, that blows my mind when some, and you don't know until you try. So why the hell not? It's fun to try. The worst that can happen is that you can be horrible and never work again.
Do you get wounded easily? Do you read comments or reviews that you don't? And do you read them at all? And do you get wounded or you have a good attitude like that's just that guy's opinion? Fuck them or whatever. Yeah, I read the negative ones. I skip over the good ones. I'll get the gist of it. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, good. That's and I look for those bad ones. I'll read every word.
And I will like mutter to myself, fuck you, you fucking asshole. Who is that? Yeah, I do too. Owen Gleiberman or whoever it is. Nah, that guy's from Entertainment Weekly. He hated me too. Owen Gleiberman, that guy's a famous troll. I'm going to commit this name to memory. And if I ever see this reviewer on the street, I'll have some choice words. I've never followed up on any of them, but.
Sure. Gordon Bleedman is like, his review was, it was a little harsh. He said, Tommy boy, this worthless piece of shit. I'm like, Hey, come on. It's a magazine. He didn't say that. No, he hated everything I did. He would be like, here's your review.
For Saturday Night Live, I have it right here. Jack Black is nothing short of a miracle. He just sang season 50 of SNL. Over here, I have Minecraft. Jack Black is exceptional. It's a performance that shouldn't be this good, but it is. He owns every second of the movie. This is a Jack Black summer. Oh, man.
Thank you for cherry picking the good ones Because I know it's a splat on Rotten Tomatoes You had to go find those fresh ones You found some fresh ones for me Thank you I haven't combined to get 100 yet Here's a 10 times Jack Black wasn't funny It's got 48 million views
Is that really on YouTube? I'm sure that's real. That's so great. All I see in the corner of my eye was Dana Carvey ever funny and I click off as fast as I can. Is there any evidence ever? No! Ten movies David Spade ruined.
with his presence. That was made up. It sounded a little too real, though, because they do that. That's a genre. Was this guy... 48 million was a lie. 48 million was stout. But are you writing... How are you emotionally? I don't know if you have a therapist or anything, but like this big whoosh, and I know you've got this big life. Big whoosh. You're a mature adult person, and you see where...
There's highs and lows of a career and this and that, but where are you able to kind of like sit for more? I've done good. Do you have a moment of that with yourself? Or are you a little numb right now, actually? I try to look for the one bad thing that's happening and focus on that. That keeps me grounded. Yeah.
that you had to do this today. And why would you book this so soon? Couldn't you get a week off? I'll tell you why. I was looking forward to this. I love you guys and I've been hoping that we could get it together. I, I, I,
I feel good. Feels good. Yeah. It hit. I'm always skeptical though. I'm like, can we just wait for a second before we go talk, calling it a hit? What if it tanks next weekend? Let's see if this baby's got legs. Talk to me in a couple of weeks. Okay, guys. I'm always fixed. Stop throwing. What's the number where you will just go? It's a hit like a billion or 500 million global box office. What's the number where you would go? Okay.
Because it's probably 350 by the end of this weekend, I predict it'll be 500. Here's the thing. I do have a little thing about numbers and math. I do like to think about that. So I go, okay, if it costs 150 to make,
And then you figure they probably spent almost that much on promoting it. So there's 300 right there. And then you go, okay, so if you go to a theater and it makes the monies, if it makes 300 million, then is it broken even? No, because you only get half of that. The theaters keep half the money. So then you've got to make double that. You've got to make 600 million really to break even. And then you go, okay, so that's break even. So it's not really a hit until it's made more than 600 million.
So you got to make like 700 to think that it's really a hit 700. And that's a big monster number. Do you have gross points on the film? No, I don't. This might not be true, but my manager said, no, they don't do that anymore. Maybe that's not true. Maybe, maybe she's just telling me that. So the, uh,
I don't feel jealous of Jason Momoa. I don't know what Jason Momoa's deal is. Maybe he got the gross points. Okay. This is on entertainmentweekly.com. Jack Black forgoes salary for gross points on a, what's it called? A Minecraft movie. Oh man. I wish. Good Lord. Could you imagine if I had pulled that gamble? I never bet on myself like that. I'm always like, no, no, just make sure we get the money up front.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's always like, you know, the taxes and the commissions and then the box office. It's like you're just running in water. So you can't ever, can a brother get a dime? I mean, it's a first world complaint. It's hard to get rich. But everyone hears, it made a billion. Can I get a nickel, brother? No, we have not even profit yet. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm a. It's a risky game. When you want to grow your list size. Pop up like it's hot. Pop up like it's hot. Pop.
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All right, we'll let Jack go, but let me ask a couple wrap-up questions. Just 30 quick questions. Great. I'll try to rapid-fire. I'm not good at these. I'm a slow guy. No, these aren't rapid-fire. I've got a this one or this one series of questions. It'll be quick. All right. No, this is...
Just want to say good job on Jumanji. I thought that was good. Oh, thank you. I like Jumanji. Yeah. Jumanji was great. And I go, I watched it and I go, I get why this is a hit. Yeah. It wasn't even exactly for me. It's kind of for slightly younger, but I'm like, I get it. It's funny. Yeah. It's cool. Weird. I like it. Glad they kept doing them. I'd say when you're not doing drama, you do drama.
Well, you're not doing drama then. I think it's an underrated commodity, and it happened on SNL. I haven't seen Minecraft yet. But that you...
Uh, you are fun and make people happy. So when I see you out there dancing and singers, I'm just happy and you're fun. And I do think where the world is today or whatever you want to call that. It's just fun is underrated, you know, fun. And when you're having fun and you were having fun, the whole show, I believe,
with the Indiana Jones guy and the Iowa Whip. The first play guy was that. That was great, too. You know, that was fantastic. And a dry one that I like, Bass Lake, where everyone keeps playing bass. Another one that was great. One Uppers was really funny for everybody. Oh, yeah. Those camera angles. I was still a little sweaty from my monologue when we did that, though. I noticed on the close-up.
But yeah, it was really fun. And of course, making love really started out and then really killed it with Brandy. What's wrong with the eagle noise? That was a one-upping because we were one-upping each other with how socially conscious we all were. And it would make the eagle noise worse.
That one was really funny to me. It had like hints of Debbie Downer. You know what I mean? Where it's like the sound and then looking right down the barrel of the camera. It just works. It just works. And it was well written. Well, to connect it to people flexing to everyone else or what they're doing is so great. And then have the violence of what the fuck?
you know take that I mean it was just I was inspired I thought the writing was really first rate I thought it was inspired writing um the goth kid vacation really made me laugh and you came in oh yeah that was a great pre-tape we filmed that the day before but um but that other that other song the making love that was uh uh oh shit I'm getting a phone call Sarah squirm sorry
Is it Sarah? We have editing capabilities. Go ahead. I didn't, I should have done the thing where I,
Where you turn off your phone. Yeah. You call Entertainment Weekly back. Yeah. Anyways, that making love one. Yeah, we did. We did it in the rehearsal before the dress rehearsal. And it was just it was a hot mess. I was like, there's zero chance this is going to make it to air.
And something happened where they just cut out a few lyrics, a couple stanzas, made it a little easier. And all of a sudden, it was one of my favorites of the whole night. And that song really was like a catchy tune.
And when Brandi Carlisle comes in at the end and sings her ass off, it's like, holy shit. So it's kind of a funny thing that can happen where from the first rehearsal to the dress rehearsal, something can click and it gets to be a hundred times better. I know. And then it clicks and then it's on live TV and you're done with it. When it works, it's brand new. But it really came together. You two floating in air and then Bowen and then...
her voice sounded so great i just was it a lavalier mic or they put a little bit of echo on and she was just well she has one of the voices of our time she actually does have just an incredible voice but i uh yeah they did a good job of micing her but i think it is just her her uh her resonating chamber i think the joker the joker is one of the best
you know, kind of pop rock song of the last decade. And I played it for people. We, you know, sometimes with people you're around, maybe YouTube's on, you go, Hey, have you heard this song? Heard that song? I've won stereo wars by going, have you heard this? And then,
They just go, they can't believe it. How brilliant the lyrics are and her vocal is crazy. I think another one that deserves a shout out, because in the first read-through that we did on that first day or the second day, there was this one for the...
The Flamin' Hot Cheetos and then the Flamin' Hot Preparation H. I laughed so hard in the read-through that I got a little bit injured. Have you ever had that where you laugh too hard and you pull a muscle in your ribs? And it made me have to hold a different body position for the next two skits, sketches.
And, and I was really glad that that made it to air. But when I saw the final version of it, I was like, oh, holy shit. You can see like the side of my butt cheek. This is really kind of way more intense than I had even imagined while we were reading it at the table. But they added so many graphics. Well, you've shown throughout your career that you're, you're game for anything like, you know, I mean, but I did see the side of your ass and I thought, where is this going? How graphic is this going to go?
Yeah. Show more ass. Yeah. They didn't show whole, but they'd get all the side shake you could ever want. We did the pre-tapes like the day before. Did we do those on Friday? No, I think we did them on Thursday, but it was a lot. I mean, no. They fucking beat you up. It was on Friday, and it was... I remember it because I had to wake up at the fucking crack and do...
like, almost a full day of pre-tapes because we did two. We did Preparation H and Goth Kid in Jamaica, which was also really funny. Two pre-tapes. Did you do that in read-through or do you... Oh, you said read-through. But for pre-tapes, they don't just assign them. You actually read them and say, oh, they're working. Yeah, but, you know, yeah, I...
I was down. I like the idea of pre-tapes because even though it's a long day, it lightens the load on the actual show. And they both crunch. They both are great. Did you, I mean, your energy, did you ever like before the air show, were you in your dressing room kind of going, okay, are you like Fraser on the stool coming out in the 15th round or are you feeling really good? Because it's like,
the audience and the live element will bring a lot of energy, but it seemed like your energy was just perfectly up there all the way through the show. Good. Must've felt good. Cause you don't know. It's like riding a horse and you go, do I have this? And you got it. You know, what's weird is right before the show,
A couple hours before, actually, Donna, the lady, the real nice lady who dresses you and does all the quick changes is running all around. She said, is there anything you'd like to eat, honey?
And I've got this feeling like that's what it sounds like right before you die when they say, this is your last meal before the electric chair, anything you want. And I was like, I really have a taste for like an Italian chopped salad, no onions. You got it, babe.
We're going to get it for you. I know. I love when they're calm backstage. But when I was there with Maya and everybody, everybody felt like right after dress, everyone wanted to literally just crawl into a bed. Like there's a moment I said, this is normal. Right now, you're going to want to go to sleep. You're exhausted. I did take a nap.
Yeah, you did. Yeah. You did have a dress. I didn't take a nap, but I laid down because there's like an hour and a half to it. Yeah. Yeah. And I just like Donna got me a nice pillow and I just put my head down for a little while. Fucking baby. The knocking is the tough part.
you know, if you, they, someone didn't get the memo and you're just about to nod off. Oh yeah. No, excuse me. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know you were resting. Oh, it's just, we're doing a change on the, I'll call, I'll come back later. All right. Let's let him go, Danny. He's been a good sport. Oh man. Great to see you guys. Jack, you're a stud dude. Thanks for talking. You're the best. I love, I love the chrono, the chrono idea. I'm going to do that. Um,
Um, yeah, I'm going to do it. I've been doing it with the Beatles. Maybe I'll do Todd. Have you done it? Have you done it with the Beatles? The chrono marathon? Well, I'm, I just do so much of them, but I haven't done literally from love me do, uh,
All the way to the end side too. No, that would be another way to hear it. I bet you skip those early albums a lot because you're like, nah, they were still just kids. They didn't really get their sea legs till Rubber Soul. You gotta go all the way. Well, let me just say two things before we hang up because this is...
Yeah. The early Beatles, somebody, oh, they weren't so good. No, they, they did the best two minute pop song. She loves you. I want to hold your hand. They reinvented the genre. It's not like they got better. It's just the group that became that group. Of course they would do the best two minute pop songs in history. And the other one was that,
I am Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields were recorded before Sergeant Pepper after Revolver. They were going to be on Jim Pepper, but they made him into double A side. So they were just a single Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane. And then they ended up all the leftovers ended up along with I am a walrus.
on magical mystery tour so magical mystery tour in some ways is the greatest album ever made because it has strawberry fields i'm a walrus and penny lane just those three and others did you see that eight hour movie that peter jackson yeah oh yeah that's the fuck that's your boy i had to break it up into three pieces though i watched like the the first three hours and second and but um that it
Boy, I just see them to see them writing that album. Let it be right. It was that's one of those times where you're like, if I could just be a fly on the wall for this one time in history, that would be heaven. He fucking got it. He got the he got the fly on the wall and one of the top 10 things you'd ever want to watch.
Four weeks later, they go to Abbey Road with George Martin and they're starting to do Abbey Road. And, you know, because you see the unseatings there, he's going, you know, I don't know what to do. Is something in the way? You know, just say like a cauliflower, you know, something to get the lyric, you know. What's funny to me is that the whole film, all of that shooting was an afterthought. It was the camera crew and director who was filming some shitty movie that that, uh,
Ringo Starr was shooting that no one ever heard of or saw, but they were like, hey, since we're here, is it okay if we just film the making of your next album with the Beatles? Oh, ask the boys. Is it cool if this guy comes in and films it? We probably should, actually. Is it not a bad idea? And then they fucking got this gold.
Yeah. Sat there. I love the guy who keeps on going up. Guys, you've got to do the final farewell concert in Dubai or wherever the fuck is. Or worst idea, wherever it was. It's like they're going to end up on the roof of the building you're in, you jackass. Yeah. Because he kept on pushing it. No, you got to go to. I can't remember where it was.
It's been a blast hanging out with you and we'll see you around campus. Yes. This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please follow, subscribe, leave a like, a review, all this stuff, smash that button, whatever it is, wherever you get your podcasts. Fly on the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss-Berman of Odyssey, and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.