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Yes, I have actually stayed at Airbnbs from time to time. And truth be told, I do really like them. I'm being totally honest right now that I've had great experiences with them. Yeah. I mean, you can have your look at you go get your own place, get your own pool, your own living room. You're not going to walk in an elevator. You're not going to see people when you're walking around in your undergarments. Yeah.
Yes. And if you don't understand what we're talking about, you should go online. What we're saying is you have a house with a kitchen and a bathroom and it's just for you, tailored for you. You liked your Airbnb over a hotel. Yes. And I do think I've had relatives stay nearby and sometimes it's very nice for them to do an Airbnb and have a little house and they're not underfoot. The last thing you want is your house guest to say, excuse me, um,
Where would I find a towel? That's a toughie when it's... Because they're naked? Well, it's like the 1800th time you say, on the towel rack. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, I was going to look there. People don't even think hotels sometimes just go, hey, I'll go there, I'll get an Airbnb. So you won't regret it. So this week is Joe Coy, who is a good buddy we see out, killing it out there in the stand-up world, selling out arenas and
Yeah. Just really shaking it up. And sometimes what we do on the show is we take someone a little out of the SNL box and just, you know, we want to expand a little bit as we move along. And Joe is a great guy who is, everyone's touched in some way by SNL or the people on it. So-
He was a perfect candidate for that. Yeah. He's become a superstar stand-up. And he talks about his journey to get the stand-up world to pay attention to him. A whole story around Netflix. That's you, Ted Sarandos. And his success. So it's a really interesting story. He's a very likable guy. Lots of energy. Yes.
Yeah, has a big following and very light in his feet. Very fun to talk to. Great stand-up. We think you will like this episode, so stick around. Joe, do you remember when we first met? Yep, and I cried. That was very... I never forgot that. So Joe was opening for John Levitz. Hello.
Hello. John Lovett. In San Francisco. Yep. Yeah. And Joe was his opener and unknown then, basically. And then when I met you, you got very emotional. I thought it was really sweet. I tried to understand it and take it in, but it was like, and then now I've watched you marching towards superstardom. So it's kind of cool. Could you cry? Why are you crying? I am right now. Why do you think I have these glasses on? I
I can't even look at him. No, you know, it's... You know, I was just talking about this the other day to my video guy, Josh, and I was just like, you know, you meet people...
Like, like, you know, it's hard when fans walk up and just say hi to you. It takes a lot. It takes a lot for someone to just go, oh my God, I love your work. And sometimes we don't understand that, you know, cause we're on the other side. Right. Yeah. But, but, um, but to experience that with you now, I understand where my fans are coming from because, um,
what you meant to me is the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing. Like I, when I, when I was in love with Saturday night live and watching standup just every single day and, and watching you make me laugh and going to school and imitating you, um,
you know, the next day imitating whatever bit that I saw you do. - Church later, George Bush. - Church later, church later, you know, everything, Hans and Franz, everything that you did. But it was my escape from reality. And it was also like, I was going through such a depression
with my family at that time, you know, my mom and dad divorced, my brother dealing with, you know, schizophrenia and going back and forth in the hospital. Like it was my, it was my escape to just enjoy laughter. And I needed people like you and, and, and, you know, Dennis Spade and everybody. I, and I'm not just saying that to say that. Cause you're here, David. It's like for real, like, and it meant a lot. And when I saw you,
uh, once again, like the childhood came back and the emotion came back that I didn't know I had inside me. So it came out, it was just like, Oh, here's my hero. Uh, you know, and I also, and you're, you're now on the other side of the fence, but when I would meet people like Martin short, who I saw on SCTV when I was in college and I'm thinking he's awesome. He
it kind of looked like I could be his cousin and I want to do what he's doing. So when you see someone who is doing what you want to do before you do it, you always kind of are tricked out whenever you meet them, you know, there's like a hierarchy and now you have people coming up to you that are getting emotional and you don't understand, bro, you know, and it's very sweet and you have to just take it in because you're
As performers, we're always thinking, oh, that wasn't so good, or I got to get better. We always have that self-deprecating side. But anyway, it was nice. But tell me about your divorce and the schizophrenia in your family as a company. It's such a great transition. I want to say I get starstruck too. And Dana, we all do. And I think that's good that we're not so jaded because...
Whether it's in the comedy world, of course, the Steve Martins, the people you grew up with, Eddie Murphy, anyone from SNL I would see.
and even like bands that mean a lot. And the hardest part is when you do get the balls to say something, oh, thanks. And you're like, no, you don't get it. When people say to me, I try to give them a second or something because I try to want them to understand that I get it. But you don't know how to handle it on this end. When McCartney or I remember Jack Nicholson
And people go, have you met him? And I go, well, I've met him, but it's not met him. It's like shook his hand in a group, like, Hey, this, this. And then one time got to sit next to him. And then if you talk, you really ultimately selfishly, you want them to know you now from something and then like it. And then, and if they light up a little bit, then that's the most fun. If they go, Oh, I saw you. And you go, Oh, and then it's, it feels like a little more even than, um,
than just like oh thanks it's like oh i think the key and i i've coached people about it because they'll ask me what do i do when i meet a celebrity and i said be very specific don't say i liked your work
you know, say, Joe, in your second special, when you did your mom in this part, me and my friends share those rhythms. We do impressions of you, and we're bonding over your comedy. That's kind of the ultimate compliment, right? When people are moved by your specials and your comedy and just share it and want to talk about it. I love that. Yeah. I love that when I get it from someone that's, like, in the entertainment world as I am, and they say stuff like that. But I...
I can care less if you know who I am or not. Like when I met David, I, I, that was the first thing I said to David. Like, I love you. Like, cause I mean it. It's like, I, I care less if you know my work, I don't care. It's like,
You're the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing. I watched all your stuff when you used to do any of the improv. I watched all your stuff. The one in Phoenix, like that one moved me when you did the one in Phoenix. It was just like, I don't care. I don't need validation from anybody. I'm going to tell you that what you meant to me is special because there's things that motivate people and there's things that inspire people. And without those things,
Things in this world that no one's going to be motivated to do anything. Well, I was I had the same thing, Joe, when I was guest hosting for Kimmel and David was guest the second night and I didn't plan this. But Quentin Tarantino, I'd ask for him. Well, who do you want? I go, well, Quentin Tarantino. So then when he came out and I'm the host and they're all applauding for him, I just instinctively said, I love you.
because I know you from your work and you're speaking to me. And I didn't know if I was too gushy or embarrassing, but to your point, I didn't care. This is just a visceral emotional thing. So yeah. Well, I'll do one more and I'll stop. But no, I want to hear. I was in New York and we were just shopping and then Chris Rock acknowledged me, walked, had full on conversation. And I know this is your guys' guy.
But he was my hero too. Like, you know what I mean? Bring the pain was such a big special in my life. And, uh, and when he acknowledged me, I didn't go to him. He came to me and was like acknowledging my work and what I do. And,
I was just like, wow. I was floored. I was like, you're the king. Like, what's going on right now? So that was a special moment. That does mean a lot, though. It makes it all in your head. You're like, fuck. So people do see this shit I do. Yeah. Because you sometimes just do it and you get nervous and you move to the next thing. Yeah. And it's lonely. Stand-up is lonely. Like, they don't understand what...
but how many hotel rooms we've seen and how we, we got to have that. We, we, we need that instant gratification. Like, like the applause break and the laughter that, that means, Oh, okay. You like that? You like that? And then, and then for some reason in the industry, we don't get like the same type of love or acknowledgement right away. It's, it's weird. So when you get like, you get somebody like,
like you or Chris saying, hey, I like your work. It means a lot to us. Yeah, because emotionally with the people around you, handlers, agents, managers, whatever, you could do the craziest special and get booked on two arenas tour, just stuff happening to you in the last few years. And then it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, now we got to work on the next thing. You go, wait a minute. Yeah, I'm playing the Chase Center, motherfucker. Yeah.
can we toast so too can we just take a knee for a bit because the first time i got a million dollar check or something in the 90s it's like all right so that's that i go wait a minute can we just like say a prayer you know dana used to tell me when um
I would talk about like gigs or if money was coming in and he was saying, you know, when we go to the improper, you do these shows and sometimes they'll kick you 200 bucks or, you know, you, you grew up getting cash. Like I drive to a gig, I get 20 bucks in Arizona. Then I got older. I got like 75 for a gig. And then you get cash and,
And sometimes you would do a whole week at a club and you get like three grand cash, but that meant so much. But now Dana was explaining, he goes, it's not as much fun with everything. It's a number on a monthly statement. And there's some numbers that just moved around. You're like, does that mean anything? Like, I just want to have it in my hand. I don't really get it anymore. You don't, you don't get the feel of it. No, I did comedians in cars. Oh yeah, you're right. Cold hard cash. Give me, I just want to hold. Jerry Seinfeld understands this. When you do the car show with him, he hands me an envelope.
I won't say the amount with all cash. And I felt like that was the highest paid thing I'd had in 30 years. I put it in a box. I used it for months. Tips and things. Feels real. Yeah. Here it is. And he goes, close the envelope. They're looking. It was the film crew. Don't, don't let them see it. Come on. But anyway, Joe Coy is our guest today. And, uh,
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But yeah, it was, it was my life. It was everything. And from, you know, especially when they, they, they switched the hands over when it slowly went over to the young guys, when it went to, to David and that whole, that whole, so you were there, you were sort of in the Dana, Dennis Miller. Love it. That's where we started watching. I go way back to Piscopo. Oh shit. Okay. I was such a huge fan of SNL and SCTV. Yeah. Uh,
Yeah. And there was another show called Fridays. I don't know if you guys remember that. Yeah, totally. And then of course, you know, kids in the hall that came, you know, that was later. Oh, you saw it all. Yeah. But it was just, I was so like in love with the freedom that you guys have with your sketches. Like I loved sitcoms, but I love what, what you guys were doing with sketches. Like I was just enjoying, I
uh, the, the, the, how do I say it? But you would get, you would get away with a lot. Like now that's fine. What we thought was risque back then is like G rated now. It's nothing. But back then it was like, I can't believe they're doing this. Like, right. Could you picture yourself? Would you ever think that's something you'd want to do? Or we, I, when I watched SNL sort of what you were saying about an escape earlier, I'm from a divorced family. I think we're all pretty beat up. Um,
with childhoods and comedy in general. But I had, I don't know if I realized it then, but maybe looking forward to happy days or sitcoms at night or this or, or watching us now was an escape because it was fun. People having fun and there was no problems. Yeah. It was all happy. Yes. Church lady. Just like,
Or when you did Wayne's World, it was just like, what is this? You know what I mean? It was just like, I knew what public access was. And then you guys did a sketch on public access television. It was just like,
This is crazy. Like, I was so in love with that idea. Like, it even made people think like, oh, well, then maybe I could do like a public access show. You know what I mean? Well, the emotional underpinning of that thing, because people have asked me and I've thought about it, is that the two kind of two guys in a town live with their parents, have an AMC Pacer.
And they're like the happiest people in the town because they're ritualizing everything. So it's a, such a feel good thing. I want to be Garth. I want to be the loyal best friend of the guy who's like Bugs Bunny. He's smarter than everyone in the town, you know? So, and you reflect people watching it because I'm like in a basement watching.
a show going, oh my God, that's like me and my stupid friend. And so people watching go, that's cool. That's us. That's so true. And that literally those two characters were at high, you know, they were in high school with me. I knew those two guys. And it's just, I also loved how, how the intro came on, where it was that public acts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I think it was Phil Hartman. Yeah. You're watching public access. Yeah. It was so good. And then like Spade, like everything that you did, man, with, with Farley and of course Sandler, it was just like this chemistry that you guys had was like, it was like friends. It was just like, I was, it was like, you're in on something, you know what I mean? And it was like this school. It was like, you, you felt like you were a fly on the wall.
is that the name of this that is yep we we give away prizes for people to say fly if you work it in yeah good job crazy um yeah what do you get you a rolex and a gucci bag yes i did research you last night i appreciate that because you earned it um but no i really felt like oh i'm watching something cool here the way you guys would laugh you
you know, break character every now and then, even though John didn't like it when people break character, John Lovitz would always say that. Yeah. Sometimes they break character and I don't get it. I don't like it. I don't.
I don't get it. It's not funny. It's not good. John Lovett's come from 1930. I know I'm trying to figure out what is he laughing at? He's always genuinely perplexed. What's so funny? You know why they didn't put the sketch on, don't you? Why? Because it's funny.
They don't like it because it's too funny. It's a bit of Mae West almost and sort of a 1940s type announcer voice. It's so funny. Where did he come from? Yeah, he's the greatest. I always thought that was an act.
you know, doing standup at the lab back where I was like, oh, he's doing like this character and he does on SNL. And then he, and then he called me. I didn't even know he got my number. He got and he called me and he goes, I'm going on tour and I want you to open for me. And I'm like, oh shit. He really talks like this. Oh, wow. Did you do it? Yeah. Yeah.
You're too funny. That's a problem. You're too funny. I remember him talking about you. You know, he's opening for me, don't you? Joe Coy. No, no, no. And I'm not even disagreeing. He goes, no, no, he's really funny. He's really going to be big, you know? Aw.
That was sweet. That's awesome. I thought you were so strong that night and John was still new to stand up. It was almost like he had to pull up the socks a little bit. It's hard to follow a polished good act. Yeah, because you were already into your, you were a kick-ass stand-up. This is like the early knots or something. I don't remember. Knots. 2005. Can I give you my favorite John Lovett story? We would love nothing more. He's a friend of the podcast.
Okay, you're going to love this one. I'm opening for him in Hawaii. He loves Hawaii. That's the worst place. I'm opening up for him in Hawaii and he goes, let's go to the beach. I need to tan. Because he's got psoriasis, right? I know. He does. I need to tan. Let's go to the beach. Tan.
And we're laying down and this guy walks up to us. I don't know who he is. He's like an assistant or something. He goes, hey, John, KC from KC and the Sunshine Band is a huge fan of yours.
But he's so scared to come up to you and talk to you. And he's performing on the island as well. Is there any way you can say hi to him? And John's like, of course. I love Casey in the sunshine. Of course, who doesn't? So we walk up. We walk up. We walk up. This is the best story, man. And here's Casey. And he's like, hey, John, I really love you, man. I was just so nervous to say hi. And he goes, oh, I'm a huge fan of you. This is Joe Coy. Yeah.
You ready? This is the first thing he says to Casey. This is Joe Coy. He does a really good impersonation of me. Take it away, Joe. And I go, what do you want me to say? He goes, exactly. It's epic. That was it? That was it. We have to reboot. I mean, love it. Let's if Ted Sarandos is listening, maybe Joe, you could produce it, David.
John Lovett should just be in a cartoon as John Lovett on Netflix, walking around doing exactly what you just said. I don't know. I go, what do you want me to say? He goes, that's exactly what I want you to say. And I'm like, now I'm in a sketch with him. Yeah. I told you. Last time I saw him, he goes, David, I'm sorry about your attitude. I heard about it.
It's so funny, but he says he always buys a new car and he pulls up and he steps out of it and he goes, how can I get you in this car? He's trying to sell it to me. You know, you little pixie. How are you? That's what he calls me. You little pixie. How you doing? Yeah. Jealous. God, he is. He is funny as shit.
And he's got his little dog, Jerry Bruckheimer, his trusty dog. His dog is not cute. I hate to tell. I hate to break it down. I tell him every time. Personality is adorable, but the underbite undercuts it. I like every dog. Yeah. I love all dogs. So, Joel. Yeah, ask Joel a real question. I want to ask. So,
So your mom is your biggest fan and really wanted you to go into show business or just got a sense? No. Not at all. Fuck Wikipedia. No, no, no. So she wanted like, you know, Filipinos are, you know, have a lot of talent in the family. I don't know how this happens, but there's always a lot of talent. There's always a singer. There's always something, a dancer. Yeah.
And the parents love to showcase that talent. And it's just like, whenever there's a party, it's like all the parents got their kids and they make them all perform. And, and then, and they, and they, and they brag about it. It's like, it goes on for years. Like I, I was really good at impersonating Michael Jackson, but like where Michael Jackson wasn't even doing Michael Jackson anymore, but I was, she would make me impersonate Michael Jackson all throughout high school.
And that she would brag about it. But the minute you get your diploma, it's like, okay, enough of the talent. Now you need to think about life. I was about to say, where's the impression? So a talent show for all your childhood, all the way through high school. And now that's over. And that stopped after high school. Now you have to go to college, think about your career. There's no such thing as becoming an entertainer that there's no money to be made there, Joseph. Yeah.
And, and, and that's a reality. I swear. It's pretty true though. She's not wrong. The odds are stacked against us, but what was your response to that? I'll show you or what, what? Yeah, I just, I, I was in love with standup. I couldn't get enough of it. I love the, I,
I knew I was going to be a comedian. When did you get up on stage? What age were you? 18. Right out of high school in Vegas. Oh, no, Joe. No. No, Joe. I said, what are you doing? My mom would kick the bed and go, did you give your applications out today? Did you walk out with the applications? I go, she goes, are you doing standup? You have to focus on something. I go,
She goes, you go to Baskin Robbins. I go, I went and no one's hiring. Meanwhile, everyone's hiring. I go, she goes, go again. I don't think, I don't believe you went. Go show me your filled application. I go, gosh, gosh.
You were like Napoleon Dynamite? So I had to work in the day. What are you doing? Whatever I want. Get out of here. This is my room. Napoleon Dynamite. So 94, and you dreamed about it like as a little kid then basically, like 9, 10, 11. You started to think about it. I was in love with it at like 9, 10. And I saw Eddie Murphy at the Seattle Coliseum. Oh, you were a Seattle guy? At the Seattle Coliseum. I bought the tickets with my mom's credit card.
And I went to that show and I saw Rob Lott. Live Eddie Murphy. And what did that do to your brain when you saw Eddie up there? Okay, so I knew stand-up usually the biggest would be a theater. Yeah. Like, you know, you see Carlin in a theater. Big theater. You see Rob in a theater. And then here I am in an arena where the Supersonics play. And I remember sitting in the seat with my friend and looking up at the 300 section going,
wait a minute what like there's people up there too yeah yeah one guy with a mic one man it was crazy and uh i don't know if you saw went to raw but there's a the beginning of raw he stands behind this red screen right i saw it in new york yeah oh you went to raw you saw yeah yeah yeah you remember the beginning of that it was all the highlights of what he's done and then it turns red and he's standing behind it and it's like
To explain that to kids now, it's unreal. But in 1987, that was, it was incredible. Like my mind blew up. Like I couldn't believe I just saw a reel like that with his body of work in front of me. And then now he's right there. And then he comes up. His confidence is not explainable. Yeah. At 19 or 20, he's a fully born superstar on Saturday Night Live.
I was a much longer journey. So in your case, you got on stage. Could you tell us about your first night? Your first night going up.
My first night growing up was- Do you remember your first set? Oh, yeah. I know exactly where the venue is. It's on Tropicana and Eastern in Vegas. It was a talent show. I was 18. I had to grow. I remember it took me about two weeks to grow just a little bit of hair on my upper lip. And then I colored it in with my mom's little eyeliner thing and made it really dark. Yeah.
I swear. Was it a 21 and up place or could you get in at 18? Yeah, it was a bar. Oh, so you had to pass for 21? Yeah. And you got a fake mustache. I looked like one of the Marx Brothers, man. It was just like this obviously painted mustache. And yeah, I went up, I bombed...
It was so funny because when I wrote the routine, I thought for sure in my head what I was visualizing, me on stage and like the bar manager calling someone from Hollywood like, I think we found the guy. This kid's incredible. He's crushing right. Holding the phone up. Listen. I'm telling you. We don't have enough alcohol to serve the people. They blocked the bar. Listen.
He's getting an encore for his three minute set. Yes, he's doing six minutes instead of three. This is unbelievable. God, three minutes was an eternity. It was literally everything that I wrote disappeared in my head. Right when I got on stage, I forgot everything I wrote.
And then I didn't want to get off stage. I just kept bombing for three minutes. The guy kept like, get off. I wouldn't get off. Awful. And then I did this stupid joke about a condom not fitting. You know, that's all I knew. Because the size of the organ is too big or too small. Yeah, it's too small. But, you know, it's the obvious, right? Got it. And then now my tongue is sticking to the roof of my mouth.
And my mouth is dry. And I say to the crowd, I go, your mouth, you ever get so dry, your tongue sticks to the roof of your mouth? And the lady at the bar goes, put them on it.
And crushes. So the crowd is crushing. Absolutely destroys the joke I bombed on. And then I walk off stage, sit down next to the guy that did Lionel Richie. He did a Lionel Richie song and he sounded just like Lionel Richie. And I'm sitting right next to him. He won that night, by the way. And then literally he looked at me and he goes, he goes, yeah, he goes, Hey, don't be too down on yourself. He goes,
I just want you to know you had really good stage presence. That's what he said to me. And if he didn't say that to me, I probably would have quit comedy because it was so traumatic, honestly. Wow. Oh, wow. I had a similar situation. That's so true. How was yours, Dave? Well, just quickly, this is supposed to be about you, but whatever. David likes to talk about himself. I do. I'm going to go back 40 minutes before the story starts. I've only heard this 11 times, so I'm good. No, what it was was I did my, it was at Chuckles in Tempe, which Dana might have played.
They always have funny names. Chuckles. Yeah. I like when they call a girl's a day comedians, chuckle fuckers, because it's the funniest term. And I never had any, but there were zero chuckle fuckers there that night. Anyway. So I go on to do my three and I go to my three minutes. They have to three minutes. That's right. You can end it right there. There was no chuckle fuckers. I should have opened up and go, where am I? Chuckle fuckers. Chuckle fuckers.
So I go and do three and I'm bombing. And then in between, like I did one about mustard and I go, I don't even know why I eat mustard anymore. And then I go, blah, blah, blah. And so I get off completely bomb. And of course, some extra from the movie is like a skinny tie manager. It's like whoever you run into, stage manager, but he just manages the bar. And I happen to walk over and stand next to him and he goes,
That was tough. And I go, yeah, that's first time though. And he goes, yeah. And then he goes, he's like looking away and he goes, actually, the stuff you say between the jokes is funnier. And then he walks away. And I go, wait a second. And that was my, now that's my whole style for the rest of my life. Things between the jokes. That's a comedy album. Because I would comment on what I just said to myself. And then you get it. And then
I thought, oh, it just made me think like, so there's something like you said. So there's something there. Yeah. You should have, you should actually go back and give that guy some money. He kept me going. Like you said, yours kept you going. Lionel Richie knockoff. Yeah. He kept you going, but that was nice. Anyone take a second. But David, I hate to interrupt you, but that note right there on you is like, that's, that's golden.
I mean, stage presence, that's kind of like, okay, you look good on stage. Generic. He saw you generic. It's not generic, Dana. It was actually very good. I agree. He wasn't throwing that around everyone. It's just stage presence. He didn't say it to Lionel Richie for sure. No, but that note on you, that's a great note because that is you. That's your whole act. It's like, I think...
Every time you just say on your, whatever's on your mind, David is so funny, man. It's like spot on. It's always been you. But it made me think like, what, what is he talking about? And then the longer, you know, like you get it now and we all understand that that's even in movies. I was sort of what I was in cone heads, my first or second movie. And they had me just,
with michael mckean and i would just kind of repeat what he said or say something back under my breath and he would keep talking and i go that is kind of it because sometimes the joke you're going for that you think is the big one and then you and then you say something after like a tagline is funny you know yeah that kind of stuff yeah so whatever that guy that just made me think of it because your guy said something to you and we were talking to uh nick kroll where he had his audition for snl and then a random stage manager said something but it threw him
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Live from the LA Forum. Yeah. Which is what? We can't even talk about that. 15,000 seats or something? 12,000? I did. You're not going to believe this. I sold it out four times. I don't believe this. Yeah, it's crazy, right? That's so crazy. Did they pay you a lot of money? Well, you know, I do all my promotion myself. So my promotion team, we go in and take...
We go into these. Oh, really? Yeah, that's where the money's at. You got to do it yourself. Especially when it's at that level, you don't want to go in as a paid act. You lose money that way. Really? I don't even understand that. When you're taking on all the risk, yeah, you make more when you do it that way. I played the forum, Dana, and what happened is...
It wasn't selling, and so he curtained it off, so it only held about 200. But if you have all the curtains up and everything, it's still, you can say it's the forum. I played the bar. I played the bar at the forum. They put a little stage in the corner. It was about 45 people, but I four-walled the whole thing because this is the only way to make money. Live from the forum club. But, Joe, you're... Okay, so where did you get this business acumen? Because they said...
My research on you is that you couldn't get a Netflix special. Yeah. So you said, I'm going to produce one in Seattle. I'm going to take pretty much all my savings, put into it, produce it. I guess that quality that you would know they would accept. And then you sold it.
To Netflix. Very rare. And I hate to interrupt you, Dick. No, that's all I wanted to say. Do it. But not only did they say no to me, they said no to me the whole year. This is the year that they were going to make original specials, right? They weren't going to license anymore. They were going to
make a, and they made this huge announcement that they were going to do a special every week. And, and they were going after everybody, you know, and, and, uh, but they didn't even approach me. And I was like, I didn't get it. Cause I was, I was killing on the road. Yeah. And I just like, this hour is hot. Like, and I, and I kept inviting them to come watch the new hour. They never came. And, and then finally, like, they just said, we're going to go ahead and pass. And I was like, what? And then they go,
our calendars pool and we already got everybody, but we'll look at you next year for the year after that. And I'm like, I need to get on now. I'm 45. Like I don't have three more years. No, I need to do this now. So I, I was like, screw it. I'll shoot it myself. And,
And we were going to do a small scale, but I'm like, if we do a small scale, then it's going to look like I shot it myself. I mean, if I want them to buy it from me, it's got to look like they paid for it. So we went big and I did it in Seattle at the Moore Theater. And I put on every single hat, man, Dana. I did all my research. I scouted my directors. I did everything. And here's the best compliment I can give anybody. And it's to you, Dana. Really? I'll take it.
I studied everyone's specials. Yours too, David. I studied everyone's special. The one you did at Phoenix was so amazing. Oh, that old one? Yeah, the HBO one, yeah. I love that one. And then...
And then, so I would study cause I was trying to figure out what, what my stage should look like. I wasn't looking at it for the content. I was looking at it like the set design, the light design, how they light up the audience, you know, where they put the cameras and the one special,
that made my mouth drop was your special Dana, because which one, the one it's the one in Santa Rosa, Santa Barbara, Santa Rosa, Santa Rosa, incredible theater. One, you crushed it, but your sound was the best sound. Wow. Every single special that I've seen. And I've watched, I think I watched a hundred specials and I,
And that's the one I told my director, I told my sound guy, and I told everybody, I go, can you please watch Dana's? Because I don't know what he did, but it doesn't sound like anyone else is special. I go, it sounds like I'm in the audience with him laughing. That is so interesting you bring that up because now I'm remembering that I was disappointed in the sound when I heard the first cut. What?
And I did because I get possessed sometimes about things. So I actually did get in the room with them.
And I said, I wanted I wanted I love Lucy sound. Can I get I love Lucy sound? Because you can hear the individual laughs. And so they worked with me and I never had got direct feedback from anyone till now about the sound on that thing, because I don't watch it again. I'm too self-conscious. But I remember it was a thing really frustrated because in the old days they'd have the one mic down there and
And then it would create this, you know, like Cosby early comedy albums, just so crackling. And then they have all these mics. And so they had to turn some of the mics up, but they did work on it. And so the fact that you've mentioned it now made my day this many years later, because I really, really worked on that. Did you get it? That's amazing. Did you get the sound? Did you copy it or what did you do to get it?
What you just said is what I, is what I heard. And, and, and I didn't hear in any other special. Cause whenever I watch any other special, I would just hear audience laugh. Just a roar. Yours was so like, I was like, dude, I can hear everyone. Like I'm hearing everyone. It's so full in there. I go, what did he do? And my sound, we, we ended up Mikey the entire audience all the way up to the roof. But I'm,
I bought so many microphones and when you watch live from Seattle and it's so funny because people go, oh, did he add laughter? And I'm like, no, asshole, I added microphones. Yeah. Yeah. You don't just hear the front row. The balcony and you don't hear that laugh. You're just getting the floor or you're getting boom mics on the front of the stage and only getting the first five rows. Yeah. Yeah.
I got every single seat in that special, and that's why it sounds like that. And it's from your special. God, did you always have this drive? Because you're shrewd, you're clever, you're driven. I mean, at age 45, that's when you kind of broke. I mean, you broke as a nationwide figure, world figure, really, because you were doing really, really well. But then that first special...
Um, live in Seattle, just, you went up like a rocket and you went to Hawaii and you were selling 20,000 or over. You just blew up. I broke. Yeah. That was crazy. After that special, it was, it was over. And really, so that was it. So there was, there was a change. Sorry, Joe. So that comes out, you sell it to Netflix. Yeah.
And then it comes out and how long does it take? It starts sinking in where you're like, the gigs are filling up and you go, well, we might have to move to a bigger venue instead of a club or, or you start selling out a club three nights, four nights. And you go, shit, I bet we could do 2000 seats. But can I, I hate to say this data and David, don't get mad at me when I say this. No, we'd love to hear success stories. I might get mad. Go ahead. But before, but before live from Seattle and this is, this was my frustration with Netflix.
I was breaking records at the improvs. I was...
I was selling like 30 shows out in a row, like 20 shows out in a row. 400 seaters, big improv. Yeah. And I would literally have to stay in a city for three weeks. To satisfy your fan base. Joe, I'm not mad. I'm so embarrassed. I knew you were big. I just knew that. I would be like at the Irvine Improv, which is a huge one. And they go, Gabriel Iglesias is here for the last week. And I'm like, the last week? And there's acts like this, like Joe, and...
And they were smoking out on the road and you go, holy shit, you know, so that's more discombobulating of why Netflix or any streamer doesn't just say, we got to get this guy, bottle it and throw it on our place and take credit for him. Yeah, that drove me crazy. I got a, I have a plaque on the wall at the Irvine Improv. It's like a hundred sold out shows. I'm like. That's unreal. That place is hard to fit. That's big.
Did you just get a small apartment down there or did you literally the Joe Coy improv? You have to live any club you play. You have to rent an apartment. Cause how did you sell out Seattle? Was that a, how big was that theater? Was that easy to sell out for you? I just did the more, I think. Yeah, I did the more. And for the, for the taping, I just sold two shows out on the same day just for the taping. Yeah. And, uh,
And it did make sense to me that they weren't giving me the special. And then after the special aired, that's when we noticed that instead of selling out shows out in two months in advance, it was selling out the whole calendar year. It was gone.
Like my whole calendar year was completely sold out. And then we were like, okay, wait a minute. We're like, wait a minute. So the whole calendar year, so let's add a show. And then we would add a theater and then that would sell out. And then, and then we go, all right, let's try Hawaii. Let's just do two shows in Hawaii. And that's sold out in like a minute, like literally like one minute.
And then we added a third minute. And then now the news is getting involved. Joe Coy is coming to Hawaii. Wow. And the computers are coming down and all this stuff. And then adding another. And it ended up being like 12 shows in a row. It was like 24,000 tickets.
And I broke Mariah Carey's record. It was like the craziest thing. They moved to the big island because it was the biggest island that could hold everybody. Yeah. I was in a volcano. I'm playing a dingy off of Kauai. Okay. Yeah. So then you just, you just started. That's what we knew. But that's a big moment in your life that you can't ever get again. You go, holy shit.
I'm selling out. I was doing improvs where I would do, and honestly, I'm not really as known as a standup because I do, uh,
I'm an international star in other areas. And I just got to get that in there. No, but I do other stupid shit. So, but when I go to stand up, I'd always do it as something between a movie or a TV show. And so I would go to the Irvine Improv. Hold on, hold on, hold on. What is it that, what is the other thing? I don't know what else I do. I thought you were just stand up. No, I do other shit. Movies. He was in, what was the one with Sandler? Do Over, Do Over on Netflix with Adam. I do the,
I did bench warmers. So when you're doing stuff- He's an international icon. And you go to a club and then you remember Joe and Dana knows. This year is the first year I'm doing a theater tour because-
When your eye's on the ball and you're not a stand-up 1,000% of the time, I'm just like, hey, I have these two weeks off. Is it too late to call Irvine Improv I love? Or can I go do wherever club, wherever club? And they go, okay. And we figure it out. And we fill them up, but it's not any records. But it's just we fill them up and I go, great. And then after all this time, I go...
Is there any like a theater I can do? So I just do one show instead of more. And then they go, yeah. And then I realized like Nikki Glaser and Theo Vaughn and, you know, Segura, all these people are filling up theaters and Nate Bergazzi. And I go, and you, and I go, and you're doing even bigger ones, but I go, I got to get in that mix. Like, why am I, am I still doing clubs? And they go, oh, well, if you want, we can do a whole theater. I go, yes. What I spent five years too long just,
They go, but you got to focus and you got to do like 40. You got to start with 40 in a row so they can set it up and you book the gig and you put a hold on the theater, all that shit. So I'm just like Florida, you were way ahead of the game on that. You're like getting, go bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. Joe Coy started Leap to Theaters at 45. Printing money, this guy. So what age did you leap to theaters, David? I never- Just now. Just in the last year. So many, it seems like we had John Mulaney on our show and he was-
very humble and in awe of the fact that he's doing, you know, Madison Square Garden four nights in a row. And you're how many are there of you that can do do that? One, two, three arenas like you did the Chase Center twice. What I mean, there's Mulaney, there's Bill Burr, there's you. There's a very select group of arena comics right now. Right. I mean, yeah, I think it's crazy, too, that like
where the arenas are as well, right? It's like, you know,
you know, where like I'm doing two now I'm doing two San Francisco, two San Diego arenas, two, uh, Seattle. Yeah. Well, I did Seattle. I did the, I did the climate pledge where, you know, I saw Eddie Murphy at, and then now I'm doing Tacoma dome, which is 40 minutes down the street. And that's, that's 18,000 people. And, um, and it's just in the same calendar year. And it's just like,
And it's also the placement, like where, like I'm in Chicago doing the United Center. I'm doing FTX Arena in Miami. It's like, I like you do another one for the people that don't want to drive eight minutes. Yeah.
Yeah. David, we'll just pitch this to Joe. It would be fun to hang out with, you know, we could be your openers or whatever. And next time you're playing like some giant arena. I'm just kidding. No, you know, arenas are, but Joe aren't they tough? I would love for you to come out, please. You wouldn't have to pay me. I would just wave and go, I'm almost 80. Good night. But what? I wouldn't even put you on the flyer. If you walked out, that would be incredible.
You too, David. I won't put you on the fly or tell anybody. If you walked out, it would be insane. I would love to just get applause and leave. Yeah. That's all I want. You know what? You love Irvine so much, David. I'm doing two Honda centers like coming up right away, right? Fucking Honda centers. That's Anaheim, yeah. Anaheim. I'm doing two Honda centers where the Ducks play. Maybe I'll bop down.
I was watching, before I knew we had you on the podcast, I was watching your Hawaii one, coming in hot. Yes. And I don't know. Dana's reading it. No, no. I wanted to say, I got them written here, 2017, 2019, 2020. I mean, the amount of specials in a compressed period of time. But you're at a top, you're a high level, Joe. Absolutely.
As a pure standup. Do you not want to flip your jokes around though? Like when I started Joe, we would see like Denny Johnson. There's comics. I thought was great. Dana knows all these guys. You could travel. And this is not a knock to them because it's just the way it is. You could do 10 years with your same hour. Yeah. You know what I mean? And just travel different cities and,
And that's someone who's just getting lazy, honestly, and just saying, this works. I have a job. This is my job to do this hour. And they just do it. And they come back to that city two years later, but different people come. But nowadays when you do a special and then where, where are you on? I think I know where you fall in this of,
flipping an hour to a completely new hour? Do you repeat stuff they love or how do you do it? No, I don't. Once it's on Netflix, it's done. I'll never do it again. You throw in the fucking garbage. That's tough to do, isn't it? And then you get a whole new hour. You got to go to clubs to work the hour. No, I work them in between the sets.
So, oh, OK. And I'm already like I shot that special in March. I was already working on that before I shot it. OK. So I had the hour in the bag and I was already working on a new hour before I shot that hour. And now I have a new hour. Well, let me ask you a question, which I'm fascinated by, like the idea of confidence. Yeah.
And you're like, okay, you're floating around. You could look back and go, maybe I was 88% confident. But now when you go out there, after these specials are out, you're kind of, I don't know what other word to use, like a superstar level or something, because you've got, your name is 100 feet high behind you, which I think is really cool. Like Eddie Murphy, yeah. And you're coming out, and they love you so much. But I was watching your technique and your commitment, your theatricality, and you're sitting on the stool. You're doing a Vietnamese character. Yeah.
You're so in the pocket. Do you feel like you're the most confident on stage you've ever been? Or can you get more confident than where you're at? Because I want to cry right now. Good. Dana's studying your special.
I just enjoy it. I called my son, who's a huge fan of yours. And I just saw it. And I don't watch a lot of stand-up, but I go, this guy is at the top, top, tippy top of what a stand-up can be. I'm being sincere. I'm just being honest. I love you, man. That was awesome, man. You don't know what that means to me right now. But it's kind of true, right? Yeah. You're up there.
thank you man you're never at a point with these crowds because they're all there to see you like first of all it is like an eddie murphy thing so you must freak out that you you know what it's like to sit in that crowd get excited someone's coming out you want to see and everyone's there and you come out lights go down they get all excited that is fun and is there was there any transition because when we went out with this uh sandler tour we played some bigger uh venues and
It is a little different as far as some of my jokes are very throwaway. And the bigger it gets, I started playing bigger and I had to be careful of like, I don't want to change things too much because it's just, they sort of, they wouldn't listen as much if I went too long telling a story or too long. No, it's hard to be in a big place. They're so excited. They're like a music crowd, you know? Yeah.
some fucking action yeah that would be difficult uh joe you have a lot of dynamics joe when you get them rolling then i see you sit down and you get very voices and he moves but then you're gonna go explosive and uh you know it's just uh fun to watch i i'm just uh happy for it's fun to be confident on stage because then it's just you that second voice gets out of your head and you're just in the flow yeah and i and i i tell like other comics that that i take on the road
That's the one note I say. It's so crazy you're saying all this stuff to me. One, the second voice, I always tell them, trust it. Like, trust your gut. You know, just like what David said about the stuff you say in between. It's like, that's what you bring to the stage. And like, I don't care if I already have a set ready and we're about to shoot it. If
If it comes to me at that moment, I'm saying it. I don't care. And if it fails, it fails. And I'm going to stay confident. I'm going to stay in the pocket. And I want to commit completely. And when I become my mom on stage or if I become my son on stage, I become them on stage. And yeah, I always trust my gut. That's why I'm not scared to like,
drop the hour. I don't care. Like I don't, I, well, it's worked enough and you got to feel for it. You're like in a rhythm of like, cause you're, if something's not right or it's not working, it's not going to make the hour. Cause you and your head are going to go, that's not strong enough. I got to get rid of it. Yeah. Yep. And I, and I never don't, I never want to be,
in that, in, in that zone that I've seen certain comics. Cause like you said, when I used to go and watch comics all the time at the, at the clubs and, and I would see a comic that would come back a year later and they're doing the same act. And that would always frustrate me. Cause I'm like, I'm like, I would never do that. I'm like, I would never ever do that. It's just, I don't, that was just a thing back then. Cause there was no specials really. And then, I mean, the first specials I remember were raw. I remember, uh,
I think a young comedian specials with Rodney or something or Jim Carrey. And I was like, Holy fuck, Sam Kenison blew my mind, all that shit. And then, and Jim Carrey, obviously. And then you started to see like when I got my HBO special, maybe there was, I don't even think I knew back then it was a really big deal, but I knew it was a big deal, but there was probably like four or five a year, you know? So those resonated like the early, like when we were on SNL, especially Dana, a little, little farther back that,
That's one of the only game in town where you get to go, oh, here's comedy. And when you get an HBO special, it's only the networks and HBO. And that's really almost it. Maybe MTV. Now there's 3000. So it's very hard to make an impact. So if you can cut through as a standup where you are and still get to everybody and have these things mean a lot,
and just keep on a rotation like new material, it's unreal. - I kind of am in awe of people who can write really great jokes. Like Dennis Miller, when he does a special, he's gotta have 200 really great one-liners. And if you have a theatrical bent to you and you can extend a rhythm with your son or your mom, that's more like jazzy. And all of a sudden you got 10 minutes because you're following yourself down this thought
about a character they follow with you but that being said it's really hard to get a great hour that works every year that's just a lot of work it is commitment you know yeah it is i think the first two were easy with me with netflix because i waited so long for a special that i already had the two hours ready right back to back wow and now this one after this one dropped
Uh, yeah. Now I'm like, okay, I got it. I got to dig deep in the bag right now for this one. Do you stress out or do you go, I want to wait and then maybe wait two years for the next one? Or, or I don't know. This is your fourth. Yeah. In, in, in five years. How close were the first two? First one comes out. It's a hit 17. So it changes things. So how fast do you go? I'm putting it. It was like, I think it's a year and a half. And they call you and say, now we want to do one. Right.
Yeah, they called me a year after, but I was ready right away because, you know, I was like, here it is right away. Yeah, I was like, I'm just going to do stuff that didn't make the first one. That's the stuff Jay Leno always said. You know, these guys come on The Tonight Show and they got what? They got seven minutes and they do it. And then they ask them to come back and they don't even have another seven. You know, you got to go back to back. That's what you do. You never record your act because then people know you're acting.
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Well, an hour is hard to come up with. I mean, when I did the first, Joe, I got to do one with Carson and I was going over my set and I had like an audition set I would do at the improv, you know, to get stuff. And then I think Brad Gray and Mark Ervitz, my managers, I go, I don't want to do this joke because I want to save that for my second one. And they go, you fucking don't save shit. You bomb. You're not coming back. Give everything you got.
And then if you don't have anything, you bust your ass to get more. But don't save anything. So I did every best joke I had the first time. Gentlemen joins us. He's out of Las Vegas and has done quite a splash on the comedy scene. Please welcome Joe Coy, everybody.
I just wanted you to have that experience in case you never had it. Yeah, that was incredible. Oh, wait, I have a question about Easter Sunday, Joe. Just for the people at home, I've done movies and some are very, very hard to get off the ground. Is it one of those that was easy or is it, people don't know how hard it is just to get a movie going. Was it harder or easier? Okay, here it comes. Okay. Coming in hot comes out, right? Yep. My second special comes out. Yep. We get a call from Amblin.
Wow. I go into Amblin thinking that it's a general, right? It's a general meeting. Spielberg's company. Yeah. So I go into Amblin. It's me and my manager. We think it's just a general meeting. Right when we walk in, someone goes, Stephen can't stop talking about your special.
wow. Oh, okay. Thank you. And I hug. And then next person, yo, Steven loves you. Next person. Steven can't stop talking about Steven. This Steven, that Steven, that then I get to the meeting with Holly and Jeff. Uh,
the two execs over there and they were like, Steven loves your stuff. And then I do this joke all the time, but I'm like, are you mean you mean Steven from accounting? Right. Because there's no way it's Mr. Spielberg. You're talking about Steven from accounting, which is still good. And they're like, no, it's Mr. Spielberg. He loves you and he wants to do a movie with you. Do you have an idea? And I pitched Easter Sunday.
which was something that was already with another producer, a great producer named Dan Lin. It was in the works, but we just didn't have anything attached to it. So I pitched that in the room and they bought it in the room. Wow. And literally like...
Oh, then the pandemic hit. So everything shut down. So I thought, oh, there goes my dream that I've been waiting for. And they called me like, hey, don't worry. It's going to open back up. And we're still making this movie. And the minute Vancouver opened up, we were already filming. We were we were we hit the ground. It was all because of Steven. Wow. Yeah, he does cut through butter a little bit more than most people.
It's harder to get. And he only made two movies. It was Jurassic World and Easter Sunday, and he released them at the same time in the summer. He released against himself? It was just such a compliment. Nothing better than going to see Jurassic World with my son, and my trailer is running before. Oh, wow, wow. It was all because of Steven. He's incredible. What a thrill.
yeah any more questions david no that's it joe is great joe thank you buddy joe yeah well yeah joe will be playing the state of arizona december 2nd uh there's a stage uh 40 miles south of press ladies and gentlemen he's playing the grand canyon he plays canada one night only he's in sasquatchewan on a
vertical chopper's gonna hang him up anyway Joe congratulations on all your success and you're inspiring your focus and love of stand-up and the level you've gotten at is very very cool well we're not gonna end it on that note no we're not what about Chelsea Handler what about Chelsea we're gonna end it on this note we're gonna end it on this note thank you Dana and thank you David
for what you guys do on stage because if it wasn't for you two there would not be any of these comics that you see now not just me all of them you guys did it before anybody else before tick tock before instagram you guys were the dogs that that paved the way for us and and you were the best of the best man like you inspired me you made a little kid that was going through a lot when he was a child
I remember I heard when you were seven years old, seven years old, he was only selling out 400 Cedars. That's how, that's so sad. That's so sad to hear. That was a sad time. I don't even like talking about those times. Only little tiny theaters. Joe, we appreciate it, buddy. And I'll see you out there and I might see you at the Honda center.
I love, yes, I love you. And Dana, please. We're going to show up at one of your gigs and just say hello backstage right before you are about to go on and go on a long story about you on our podcast. No, we'll see you around campus, but nice to see you again. And I teared up a little bit. You teared up a little bit. David, did you break water? I stayed normal. You stayed normal.
I'm known for being tough. You teared up. I teared up a little bit. Yeah. I realized I'm still playing club. His nickname is Teardrop. He doesn't tell you that very often. Okay, Teardrop. Nice to see you. Bye, Joey. Love you guys. Peace out. That was so cool. This has been a podcast presentation of Cadence 13. Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes. Available now for free wherever you get your podcasts. No joke, folks.
Fly on the Wall has been a presentation of Cadence 13, executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Chris Corcoran of Cadence 13, and Charlie Finan of Brillstein Entertainment. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman with production and engineering support from Serena Regan and Chris Basil of Cadence 13.