Part Two: Apollo Quiboloy: The Jeffrey Epstein of the Philippines
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- CoolZone Media. - Ah, boy howdy. Boy, goodness gracious, Jiminy Christmas, Behind the Bastards, back yet again with our friend Jason Petty, AKA Prop Jason.

I'm doing the thing that I do sometimes, or at least I did the thing while we were on our break. And I was eating some scrambled eggs with dried chanterelles. Delightful breakfast. It is 2.43 in the afternoon. Where I was like looking at Facebook, which I do about once a week. It's a bad thing to do, but there's like family and friends from years ago that I haven't seen in 15 years that it's the only way I know of making sure they're all still alive.

without actually talking to them. And God knows I'm not going to do that. Absolutely not. Whenever you hop onto the old Facebook, you get a bunch of fascinating ads. And I got one today from the Daily Wire people for Jeremy's razors, which they- For whose? Oh, the man razors. Jeremy's razors. Yeah, yeah, which are not woke. Don't buy from a razor brand that hates you. Yeah. I don't think any razor brand hates me.

Yeah, nobody's critical race theory. These are razors are not for women. They're for conservative men. And that's convinced me, Prop. You know, look, this is silly and shameless. But also, look, I like money as much as the next guy. So what if I try to get into the opposite side of this business, right? But instead of like razors, that's lame. That's not a thing anyone associates with ideology. Not really. No.

I want to take products that are traditionally associated with a political ideology in this country and then find a way to sell it to the opposite side of the population because that's how you make a lot of money. So, for example, I'm going to start manufacturing and selling an AR-15 that we only sell to people who in the last week have cried at a sunrise. Mm-hmm.

I see, I feel like- That's a woke gun, yeah. I feel like you're leaving money on the table by not doing this. Like this should have happened- It's too good a business. It's too good a business. Two seasons ago. We should have been selling woke weapons.

Yeah. For a long time. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Reproduction German military gear that we only sell to people who have volunteered at a soup kitchen that week. Right. You know, you have to have. You have to have. Gotta prove it to us. Listen, you had to have cried white tears like at some point.

You know what I'm saying? Like you said, served at a soup kitchen. Right. You feel like at some point you've you've yelled at a Karen. Like you had to have had put in your work to prove that you're a comrade. Now I'm with it. Yeah. Yeah. Go volunteer at the border and you too can buy a Volkswagen type 166 Schwimmenwagen. I do actually want one of those. It's one of those cars you can drive in the water.

Those cars are pretty dope. They're pretty cool. Look, it's not the car's fault. It's not the car's fault. It's not the car's fault. But shout out to all our Ka'i Begans, since we're going to be talking to our Ka'i Begans.

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History is filled with unexpected stories, and I'd like to tell you about them. I'm Aaron Manke, and for the past six years, I've been sharing history's most curious tales on my podcast, Cabinet of Curiosities, such as the surprising country that invented the croissant and the wrestling champ who won the White House.

And now these amazing stories and many more have been compiled into my new book. Curious to know more? Pre-order Cabinet of Curiosities, available November 12th, wherever books and audiobooks are sold. Learn more over at GrimAndMild.com slash curiosities. We're back talking about, yeah, Apollo Kibble-Loy. Talking about people. Yeah. In the last episode, I explained that Apollo had named himself the appointed son of God.

As he drew in more followers and his church expanded into a multinational cult, the story he told about himself expanded, too. He began claiming to his followers that God had visited his mother in the form of a cloud to declare Apollo his son, which is arguably nicer than the way. I'm sorry. You probably have a better memory of this. That seems nicer than how he told Mary and Joseph. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, that's that's the the.

The angel showing up while you was a virgin. And, like, just really, like, yeah, if you marry, you, like, yo, this is a real heavy lift, dog. Like, can you tell Joseph? You know what I'm saying? Like...

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then you're, then you're making peace with like, I'm about to have a kid and also it's God. Yeah. Sir. Listen, I love you. Do the good part. Yeah. Listen, Joseph, I love you. I love you. I swear to God, this child is God's. Speaking of God.

He's got something to say here, too. Speaking of God. Yeah. Now, so, yeah, I don't know. Cloud, that seems nice, soothing. While Apollo had started his career as just another Pentecostal preacher, when he broke away and declared himself the new son of God, he also declared, and this is classic, classic cult leader form, that all other churches on Earth are invalid.

fundamentally broken institutions. Oh, here it is. Yeah. Now, he's got an interesting reason for this, Brock, which is that every other Christian church on earth is bad because they all embrace the concept of the Trinity.

And this is a little wonky. I'm curious for your take on this because I'm not a – Oh, yeah. Talk to me about this. People, we have had a lot of wars over this. I think so. Yes. Oneness Pentecostal. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. The Trinity denies the oneness of God because it suggests that he is God's son is somehow separate and less divine than God himself. Yes. I think that's the point he's making. Yeah.

Yeah, that's actually like, so if there are all four black people that listen to this show, so T.D. Jakes, right? T.D. Jakes is the one that's been accosted. I wish y'all could see. Oh yeah, it's a video show. Y'all see how they laugh. I just died.

Oh, man. But yeah, T.D. Jakes is like a oneness Pentecostal. And like, that's kind of a thing to be like. And then to argue that, like the term Trinity is not in the Bible. Like that's something that came much later to describe what Trinity.

called the triune God, God being one in essence expressed in three different persons. But the idea that they're actually three separate persons is not biblical. Yeah, one is Pentecostal. So if you believe in the Trinity, you're clearly not reading the Bible. Yeah, yeah. You've gotten taken in by like a cult, right? Yes. As opposed to the cult that Apollo has created. That is actually the cult. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, listen to the man of God that's sleeping with your daughter. Yes. I mean, very much literally listen to the man because we're going to play a segment from a documentary about the church here so you can see him explain this in his own words. Oh my God, I can't wait. Hold on. Let me get my puso in saging. Let me get my spam and rice, you know what I'm saying? And my spoon and eat my rice with the ketchup. I'm just doing a whole lot of Filipino stuff. That sounds fucking fire right now. It's phenomenal. Mm-hmm.

Hawaiian too. We are in, as I said, 78 countries and 78 nationalities. How many members are you now? Conservatively, about 3 million. I'll just clarify, Pastor, this is not a religion. This is not a religion. This is a movement because we have a lot of people in the whole of San Dibutan. But you look deeper, it's a spiritual world. For me, again, as someone with a Filipino stepmom, God.

this accent is very warm. So hearing his thick, hearing both of them speak very thick, like with a thick to God, it's like, it's just warm to me. So I would just, I still smile when I hear the accent, even though I know he's about to talk about something great. Good news. We got some more stuff that's going to make you smile here.

It's not the religion. Like, yeah. Okay. I do love that. You get that a lot. That's like a very American thing too. And like, especially like an American Pentecostal thing where like, yeah, Christianity, our Christianity, it's not a religion, right? It's a relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So when we talk about these kind of pastor bastards, which is actually, I haven't said it that way before, but that's fun. That's a lot of fun. Did you wait? Was that off the hit? Yeah, that just hit. I'd written it, but I hadn't realized how fun it was to say. Oh my God. Pastor bastards. Pastor bastards. You've just expanded the Behind the Bastards universe and you've created a sub-genre.

Pastor bastards. We have pastor bastards. You just create, oh my God, I witnessed history made right now. Yeah, this is, a crack has gone down into the center of the earth from that. Dude. Maybe I'll do another pastor show. Mithra was just created. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Ooh, I could do Mithra. Yeah, I don't wanna do Mithra. No. Yeah, yeah.

Let's take her down a peg. It's been like 10,000 years. It's time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I always try to find an example of like a pastor bastard talking, right? Preaching because I, you know, you just kind of have to see it. And I think this clip from his one of his all time hits. This is his white album. A sermon called Soaring as an Eagle in the Dimension of Faith.

Come on, fam. Yeah, that's a title. That gives you an idea of two key things. How very American the way he preaches is. Yes. And how focused his sermons are on the subject of Apollo Kivalloy being pretty fucking cool. Where is the state of innocence? You don't think evil of me anymore.

You don't think negative of me anymore. You don't judge me according to your own human three-dimensional perspective anymore. You look at me as you look at yourself. You became spiritual, that's why you look at me spiritually. The way you look at me is the way you are. How many of you think I am the most spiritual person on earth? That is now who you are.

Amazing room. That's a good room. Amazing. That's a good room. Amazing. That is the most Pentecostal. How many percent do you trust me? Those who trusted me and believed in me until now, 100% raise your hands. That's how you are in the sight of the Father.

I love that. What percent? I really want to drill down on this. Not just do you trust me, but let's get some numbers out here. We got to quantify. The notes. This guy is playing. I mean, this is felonious monk level notes. He's playing like this dude. First of all,

Huge fan. Like, huge fan. No notes. But, like, there's some stuff missing here. Like, for some reason, Pentecostals believe because purple is the color of royalty. So when you walk into a lot of black churches, it's going to be purple everywhere, right? The fact that you already...

Do you notice the color of the chyron on the bottom? You know what I'm saying? So there's that, right? The white is the holiness. And if you can see in the thing right now, what color that man tie? What color is that man's tie in the club? You understand what's happening right now? He playing notes, y'all. Oh, I'm so excited. How do I not know this man? I'm so mad I don't already know this man. I have an unfortunate note on the purple thing prop, which is that about a year or so ago,

Maybe I was on some gas station drugs. Maybe I wasn't entirely sober. I was buying sheets for myself. And I bought what I thought was going to be a very nice, like dark purple. And to make a long story short, my entire bed was,

has these eucalyptus sheets that I can only describe as the inside of a Pimmscape. I actually just replaced them today because there was a hole in them, but it was like one of those mistakes where it's like, well, I can't return these. This is just a mistake. Just a terrible mistake. - Are these silk ones? - Are they silk? - No, no, no, these ones were eucalyptus, which I don't buy. It ages for shit.

Yeah. Not like silk where it can hold up, you know? If you had silk purple, like your new name. I know, I know, I know. You would have to change, you'd have to have a pimp name. Your name is, you know, small change Robbie, small change Willie from Philly. You know what I'm saying? Jason, I would have already been indicted on racketeering. Absolutely. You'd already have a Rico.

Had you, yes, it'd be, there'd be no way I would question all of my interactions with you after going to the Portland crib. I would be like, you know what? I'm seeing all this much differently now. Should we play the next clip? We should. And I, what's, yeah, Sophie, just take it. Just take it. How many of you trust me only 50%? Raise your hands. Don't be ashamed.

If you trust me 50% only, that is who you are. You cannot trust yourself.

- And darkness, yup, I already knew where he was going. - Oh, that's a good preacher voice right there. - He preaching.

That is partnership between God and the devil. 50% is mine. 50% is yours. Let us profit sharing. No profit sharing in the ownership of the universe and in humanity. That's right. Either the devil owns all of you and then counts the true owner and claims ownership 100%. All of you or none of us. Man, listen.

He's not bad at what he does. He's not bad at what he does. He's doing it. Listen, where light is, darkness cannot abide. Yes, where light is, darkness cannot abide. Either you belong to Jesus or your soul belong to Satan. So if you trust me, man, boy, and he keeps saying it's in the spirit. It's in the spirit. It's in the spirit. Listen, like we, there's a running joke about like, Merce talks about it too. Like with, um,

With underground rappers, how everything is like lyrically. So I'm like, I'm going to lyrically murder your mom. Yeah. So if you just throw lyrically in front of it, it's fine. It's fine. It's like doing it in Roblox. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Lyrically. The fence can't crack that one. Exactly. Exactly. So they're like, what do you mean? Lyrically. You know, yeah, I just murdered your daughter lyrically. Right? So for him to be like, it's in the spirit. It's in the spirit. It's like, whatever you trust in the spirit is who you are on earth as it is in heaven. Boy, he cooking. That man is cooking. And him just being like, yes, amen. Like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a professional. You gotta give him that. You shouldn't give him much, because again, pedophile. But he knows what he's doing when he gets up on a fucking pulpit. Now that he's been arrested, Sophie, do you think we could buy that room? Like his compound and just kind of move the podcast over to the Philippines? Broadcast from Mount Apo, maybe slowly start a cult? Does it come with the outfit?

- The fit's gotta come with it. - I feel like there's a decent, I feel like it's probably pretty affordable to get stuff tailored in the Philippines. - A TBN in the Philippines, bro. - Would you wear the outfit? - I don't think I'd have a choice in that room. That's a room you wear a white suit in. - You have to wear a white suit there. - Like I'm not opposed?

We'll have to reach out to the menswear guy, but I kind of think that that's a pretty good fit. Like he's not a bad fitting suit. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not an expert on these things. Kind of a no brainer. Yeah. Like if you're doing that, you got to do that. Then like, yeah. Bro. Oh, listen, now that I see it,

Yeah, he's firing on all cylinders. He knows what he's up to. He's firing on everything. Thank you for giving me a fun episode. I did think, aside from the horrible, horrible sex trafficking. Yeah, besides that, I'm just saying. It's a little more fun than Thomas Jefferson, at least. Yeah, Thomas Jefferson and the Lost Cause. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, anyway, as we've noted, a key aspect of the theology that he's cobbled together here is the idea that all other forms of authority are invalid, not just other churches, but other political institutions. Now, this is not so unique among cult leaders, but the way he came to explain these beliefs to his people, I do find interesting. In short, followers of KOJC are their own nation.

right? Which by the early 2000s is at least 3 million strong. And they should have no other allegiances and certainly had no responsibility to follow the petty laws of whatever country they happen to be in. Oh, hey, we're part of the kingdom. We're part of the kingdom. That's a nation of followers, of believers. I'm in the kingdom, a holy nation, a joint heirs. I'm a part of the kingdom of God. I am not of this world. I don't have to

Obey the laws of man. Yeah. We make our own license plates and driver's licenses. Let's go. Now, you can get an idea of how this was transmitted to his followers by visiting the Kingdom of Jesus Christ website, which on the day I visited looked like this.

So you can see, yeah, you can see like a lot of purple, as you noted. And there's a couple of different quotes on it. One, I will not succumb to the temptation of being weak. I will stand and defend my obedience to the father's will. And then words of the son, which is Apollo. Yes. Whatever situation and circumstance you find yourself in, remain loyal to him, even unto death. Him alone.

Clearly being Apollo. Yeah. That is, that does look like a guy because he, this got put up on the website as he was being like basically hemmed in by law enforcement before his arrest. That does look like a guy trying to do a Branch Davidian. Yeah, totally. You know? Yeah. Like that's a guy trying to Waco. Y'all got me, right? Like you remember. Yeah.

It's us till the wheels fall off. And that's, you know, I'm torn on this because obviously I can't go to bat for this man. He's a sex criminal. But also, you know, our motto at this podcast, ABW, always be way going. Oh, my God. Listen, not for the bad reasons, Sophie.

There are redeeming qualities. I just look at a really nice break from Robert bringing up Waco all the time, and I feel like that streak is now broken. I was always bringing it up in my heart. Well, I know, but I didn't have to hear that. See, I was living a lie because 50% of my heart was for Waco, and 50% of it was for this show. And that means that none of it was for Waco. And Elrond. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Maybe the same math doesn't work for me.

No, I feel it. Because it's in the spirit. It's in the spirit. It's in the spirit. It's 150, it's still 100 in the spirit. Yeah. L. Ron Hubbard and... Yeah. Taylor... What is it? Taylor... Who the fuck was the Taylor in that Waco show, Sophie? It was the handsome man from...

Friday Night Lights. What's his name? I got you. Hold on. Yeah, he's the finest. He's the finest David Koresh. Him and L. Ron Hubbard play in a rock concert as the FBI burns the building down. It's Taylor Kitsch. Taylor Kitsch. I knew there was a name and not Taylor Hanson. Who the fuck am I thinking? I don't know who Taylor Kitsch is. It's that weird right wing freak. I don't know. It was a Taylor. I'm sorry, Taylor Kitsch.

I'm also sorry, David Koresh. Anyway, when it came to the laws that most vexed the son of God, the very top of the list was restrictions on immigration because his cult had brought him tremendous wealth and he'd spent some of it on a private jet, a mansion in prop. What city in California think he picked for his mansion in Southern California? He picked Beverly Hills.

Calabasas. Same. Calabasas. Okay. Yeah. Same, but old money, new money. Sorry. Yeah. Very much. Yeah. Yeah. The Valley. That's the Valley's Beverly Hills. Yeah. Right. Right. Now, he wanted to be able to bring his pastorals with him for, you know, but the US Immigration Service does not take I want to have a sex slave as a valid reason to hand out a work visa.

So on or about 1998, the KOJC founded the Children's Joy Foundation. And boy, I don't like that name. Oh, my God. That's rough. That one's rough. Yeah. The stated goal of the CJF was providing, quote, children in the Philippines with various residential services, medical, psychosocial, educational support to harness their potential in community and nation building.

Now, I cannot tell you if the CUJF ever had a real purpose that resembled this. But by 2007, Apollo had hit upon the idea of using it as a way to hide the movement of large numbers of followers, particularly young female followers across borders and into the United States.

CJF was registered as a non-profit 501c3 in the state of California with an office in Glendale, and he began bringing in workers from the Philippines. A federal indictment alleges that these workers spent long hours illegally soliciting money for KOJC outside of businesses across the United States.

KOJC administrators also imposed mandatory daily cash solicitation quotas on such KOJC workers. At the direction of KOJC administrators, the KOJC workers represented to the public that donated money would be used by CJF to help impoverished children, when in fact the money directly financed KOJC operations and the lavish lifestyle of KOJC leaders, in particular Apollo. So...

These were large numbers of followers brought to the US from the Philippines who would solicit, stand outside of businesses and shops and ask for money for poor kids in the Philippines. Like photos of suffering children, information about how much your money could help them. And all of that money was being used either to just like pay for these mansions or literally to directly pay for the system by which he imported money.

young women and girls in order to molest them. Like that was paid for by these donations to help poor kids in the Philippines. That's what the CJF was. Yeah. God, that. Yeah. It's hideous.

To get these non-immigrant visas, Apollo's top lieutenants, who managed the scheme, falsified visa applications to claim that the workers were needed to help run concerts. In order to keep their workers legal once they entered the country, they next obtained student visas and forced them to attend minimal course loads at local colleges in order to maintain their status.

According to the indictment, these students would attend college one day per week and then spend the remainder of their week soliciting for church funds. So hey, at least they get a little bit of an education. Yeah, man. Yeah. Be a nurse like Tita Rose, but like. Yeah. It's gonna take you a while to get your nursing degree on one day a week. Yeah. Dang, man.

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You can learn on the job most of that kind of stuff. Like setting an IV, easy. No problem. Surgical aid assistant, fine. Right? No problem at all. All kind of stuff that you learn on the job. Just figure it out, right? The truth is like, yeah, some stuff you just can't learn in the classroom. Like you have to-

You have to do it. Like what medicine does. Yeah. Just try it. You know, that's what I do is I just buy medicine, give it to people, see how it works. Doctors are really, they're detectives. They're detectives. They're not scientists. Exactly. They're detectives. How many Tylenol can you put in a person's cake and what does it do to them? Right. These are all questions that medical science has answered. Thanks to me, you know, for myself. Anyway, here's ads.

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Yeah.

But she's just a worker bee. I actually confront the real shoplifting queen herself. Just wanted to see if you'd be interested in talking to me about charges and stuff. No, I have no comment. A mother of three orchestrating all her crimes from a secluded hilltop mansion. We're walking around the perimeter of the house now.

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That means full. Probably. It's full in Tagalog. Yeah. I'm full. And you know, the man doesn't want you to know this. The woke liberal media won't tell you this, but the more, if you eat enough Tylenol, you become superhuman. It's like eating a bunch of those Zen pouches, right? When you mix enough nicotine and Tylenol, then you gain the ability to see through the matrix, which I have done. And all it took was vomiting up blood a couple of months in a row.

I figured that. What is that new? I mean, it's like the new little chew pouches that you just that come in little white pouches that you put in your in your jaw. Look like look like a little little cheek. Yeah, that's like the Zins, right? Is that what they call Zins? Yeah, yeah. I think that's what that be. Yeah. I was like, man, y'all love them.

And I could see you mixing that with some with some Tylenol and being a superhuman. And now you can like fly fish better than everybody. Right. Yeah. Fly fishing seems like the thing you'd gain the ability to do for that. Sure. He's not fly fishing prop. No, he is. I'm not really interested in it. He is sex trafficking. So being disgusting. Yeah.

So if the whole go to college one day a week and then solicit funds for the KOJC was too complex or expensive, there was another way to allow his followers to stay in the U.S. as long as he needed them, which was to fuck with who they were married to. Right. Apollo would simply order followers to marry. Like so because he's got churches now in Southern California, he would order his U.S. followers to.

sometimes to divorce their existing spouses and then to marry a Filipino follower so they could immigrate to the country under a marriage visa. One of his chief lieutenants, Duenas, was responsible for organizing divorces for the followers selected for this duty who happened to be married already.

Now, yeah, that's fucked up. If your pastor calls you into the office and say, hey, son, I think the Lord has given me time to split a vision. I don't think this is working out. Yeah, I think the Lord wants you to marry her. And I don't think that woman was is the one that God chose. Yeah, that is not your Ruth. You are not his Boaz. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, word. OK.

Yeah. I thought we weren't supposed to, didn't Jesus say we weren't supposed to? Yeah, but not if the pastor needs more money, right? Yes. That's in there. One of the translations. King James just missed it, but one of the earlier translations nailed it. Is God still speaking? The Lord spoke in the past and he's still speaking now. He's speaking to his prophet now. And he's telling you to divorce. One of the Dead Sea Scrolls is just about 501c3s. Yes, I'm telling you, man. Right.

So setting up sham relationships is not light work. As the indictment notes, quote, defendants Duenas and DeLeon, who are two of his, uh,

high up assistants would prepare and fire and file divorce paperwork on behalf of the KOJC workers, sometimes without the knowledge or consent of the KOJC worker. In order to manufacture the appearance of legitimacy for the fraudulent marriages, defendant Duenas would possess ATM cards to show immigration authorities that KOJC workers in the fraudulent marriages had joint banking accounts and defendants would

Two of the other defendants would possess male and female wedding rings for KOJC workers to use during fraudulent marriage ceremonies. They only bought two. They're so, this is such a bargain bin human trafficking operation. Look, we only need two rings. We're going to pass these fuckers around. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Who got the rings today? You don't even have to buy good ones. There's no law about that.

He's like, hey, homie, can you stop by the crib, bring them rings over? We got to go pretend like we got married today. Okay, word. I think customs has a bunch of ring experts. Hey, Phil, I don't think this is a very nice ring. Hey, Phil, have we seen this ring before? Where you guys get the same ring, man?

It's so crazy, like the seventh person came here with this ring. This must be a popular one, shit. Maybe I should get this one. Man, I guess they're cheap in the Philippines. They love that one, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Now, from what I can tell based on the indictment, the followers brought into the United States were again mixed between those who existed purely to bring in money for the church and pastorals meant to service Apollo and some other members of the high brass of the cult on night duty.

It is unclear to me if any of the girls he used in this role had been pastorals back in the Philippines. Extant information does suggest he largely recruited unaware female victims ranging in age from 12 to 25 by telling them they'd get a visa to live and work in the United States if they agreed to work as his personal assistants.

Yeah. Yeah.

The indictment notes that pastorals who performed their duties to include night duty to the satisfaction of the defendant, Kiboloi and other KOJC administrators were rewarded by defendant Kiboloi and other KOJC administrators with privileges, including trips to tourist destinations like Disneyland, flights and private jets, use of cell phones and yearly monetary payments referred to as honorariums by administrators. Honorariums. Disneyland.

Hey, but listen, but you can go to Disneyland. What's crazy is, you know, you hear this stuff and it's like, as individual and unique and inventive a lot of these evil people are, there are also...

It's the same thing. Yeah. Like it's, it's, it's, I'm just like, oh, this is the same old hustle. Like, you know, yeah. It's like, I can promise you a better life in America if you just come and work for me. And then once you get here, it's a disaster. And if you don't work for me, you're going to hell. Like how you can drop that plot into every other country, India, everywhere. And it's like, it just sucks, man. Just,

preying on the poor who are desiring to make a better life. Yeah. And at the end of the day, you're just horny. Yeah. I hate how regular that is. I think it's the point I'm making. This is always the case, right? These are never... L. Ron Hubbard being an exception...

There's never anything like really when you get down to it, it is like the most it's always the most venal, gross version of it. Right. They are all like Jeffrey Epstein, this man who clothed himself in this like I'm this big donor to different sites. I hang out with all of these brilliant men. You know, I'm one of these members of our like into our intelligentsia really thinking about the future. And it's like now.

you're just a, just a sex criminal, just a sex tourist who wanted the tourism to come to him, you know? And that's all this guy is despite dressing up, you know, as a, the fucking son of God, right? Yeah. You know,

And, you know, to kind of make that point, female victims were ordered never to speak of night duty. Any attempt to leave or avoid service was met with violence. Apollo took to beating his pastorals if he caught them communicating with other men, a behavior he sometimes defined as innocent conversation. This, he claimed, was adultery and thus a sin.

In 2002, we know that Kiboloi had sex with one victim, K.F., who was 15 years old. In 2005, he had sex with another victim, K.A., when she was 17, and asked specifically beforehand if she was a virgin. At times, he provided his victims with lingerie to wear or lotion to put on his body. He would explain to his pastorals, all of whom had come to him through his church one way or the other, that it was God's will they perform night duty and that the Father is happy over what the Son is doing.

That's all I'm going to cover in detail of that. Well, there's one last thing because I don't think we need to be exhaustive about this, but I don't want to gloss over it. And there is one more paragraph from that indictment that we do need to cover before we move on. Yeah. Enter about 2009. Defendant Salinas told victim R.E. that if victim R.E. was afraid to go near defendant Cabolo, then victim R.E. had the devil in her.

In or about 2011, defendant Kiboloi had sex with the victim KP when she was approximately 14 years old. In or about 2014, defendant Dandan, who's one of the administrators, directed victim RE to purchase erectile dysfunction medication for defendant Kiboloi. Okay, that's probably enough. Yeah. I just want to make sure people know what he did. Yeah, he's disgusting and that's horrific. Yeah. Yeah. Probably enough of that. So, yeah.

Now, the big difference, we've talked about Epstein a lot. He's alive. Oh, that's too bad. But he is, he's, no, no, no, Sophie, you're going to be happy about where this goes. No, I think this ends well. I think this ends well. This ends pretty well, you know? Yeah. Now, when it comes to the difference between this guy and Epstein, because I don't get a feeling the scale is actually all that different. These guys may have been like very similar numbers. I think Epstein, maybe he did it for, although I don't know, these guys are actually kind of active similar periods of time. Yeah. So the Bolloy,

Probably was working a little longer than Jeffrey was. One of the big differences would be that Epstein seems to have used the girls he trafficked in order to broker favors and money. Maybe Apollo did that, but we don't have evidence that he did, at least in this country, right? Again, he's pretty tied in with like Duterte's sect in the Philippines. So maybe there is a lot more of that. There's allegations of it. More will come out about this guy, right? Like that is kind of the thing. We just don't really know.

Now, what gets him caught is that he's very sloppy on the financial side of things. Remember, the other half of his human trafficking operation is people being brought in as free labor to canvas for the church under the auspices of helping the children. Yeah.

Yeah. This generated a lot of cash and Apollo was smart enough to know that keeping that cash in bank accounts, US officials could see it was a bad idea. Yeah. I was going to say like the forgetting that like you could pull this off in the Philippines. Yeah. Because you ain't got people like chasing down. And you got a lot of friends. Yeah. And you got a lot of friends and people not chasing down specific stuff like that. Like here, we got time. Oh yeah. Rodrigo is- Especially when it comes to the money. Yeah. Duterte does not have pull with the feds in the United States. No, no.

So one of his lieutenants informed him that U.S. Customs allowed people to fly in and into and out of the country with under 10 grand in cash with no additional safeguards. As followers would return home, he would have them roll $9,000 in cash into their socks and place it in their luggage. Larger amounts of money were flown in bulk back home via the private jets that the church had amassed.

Now, this is the kind of thing you can get away with for quite a while because none of the individual pawns are breaking any laws. And there's not really an incentive for the government to like,

That kind of seems like a bunch of Filipino people. Cause another thing, I'm sure a lot of Filipino people who like worked in the United States and return home also. Oh, they fly back all the time. Yeah. With as much as they can. So it's the kind of thing like you're never going to notice this easily. No, I made the joke earlier about like the Bali buy-on box, which Bali buy-on translates to just like the ones who return. So like,

it's very normal that like when your aunts and uncles or whatever come from the Philippines, there's a box of stuff that you can't get here. You know what I'm saying? And then when that family member goes back, they do the same thing. They bring stuff that you can't get

Sure. In the Philippines from America there. So it's a very normal thing to have, even like you said, like anybody who's traveled, you know, internationally that like, yeah, you, it says if you have anything over $10,000, you got to declare it. But if you got anything under that, that's fine. So even having cash in your Bali Buy-In box, it's like, it's not, that's not anything that would raise money.

So yeah, you're right. And also the fact that this is a well-known Pentecostal preacher, like we all know, they all got private jets. Like that's their thing. So like none of this is weird. Right. Especially since like back in the Philippines where the money is actually going to be entering accounts. It's going to be turned from cash into like other forms of money. Like he's friends with, you know, after 2016, the president, Duterte. So he and his church are not going to get targeted for any of this.

Yeah, he's good. And it's like this friendship with Duterte, you know, comes in handy before he's the president when he's just the mayor. One particular example of this came in 2008 when Apollo sought to purchase a two hectare parcel of land owned by a man named Datu Dyerog.

a local indigenous leader whose family land bordered the compound Apollo had purchased at the foot of Mount Apo. The KOJC first offered payments of varying size and then threatened to evict Datu and his family from their own land. After this failed, armed men raided the property three times, burning down several buildings. Eventually, they carried out a drive-by shooting, which killed Datu, wounded his wife, and killed their four- and eight-year-old children.

Now Datu's widow put the blame on Apollo, who himself blamed the New People's Army, the militant wing of the Philippines Communist Party, which has been involved in a guerrilla war against the government for quite some time. Yeah. The communists blamed Apollo. And from what I can see, there's no reason that they would have murdered Datu and his family and every reason to suspect that Apollo did because he was trying to buy this parcel of land. There's not really any evidence this guy was beefing with the fucking People's Front or whatever.

Since this all happened on the outskirts of Davao City while Duterte was mayor, it's not hard to see why people suspect he played a hand in ensuring no proper investigation was ever concluded into the matter. If this is true, Apollo had a chance to pay his friend back with interest a few years later.

In 2016, when Duterte announced his run for president, Apollo was one of the first men to back his candidacy, urging his followers to vote Duterte and putting quite a lot of money behind his campaign. Now, Duterte, being a mobster, did not forget this. When he won the election, Apollo's home was the first one he visited in person.

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In the U.S., during the Duterte years, the legal climate grew markedly less friendly to the KOJC.

In 2015, one of Apollo's followers in Hawaii had fled a church compound and reported to the authorities that they had been trafficked, beaten, and forced to have sex with Kiboloi. Uh-oh. This person claimed to have been forced into a re-education camp, which she described as a concentration camp, where they shaved her head and tortured her when she decided to leave. And I really would like to know more about this concentration camp. He was apparently operating in Hawaii. That is bonkers.

Yeah. I did not know. That would be good to get some additional context on. Yeah. Somebody tell me more about that.

Yeah. As is often the case, it was her word against his and the church's. And the church claimed in return that she was only attacking Apollo because she had gotten kicked out for molesting a minor. Right? So they're like, no, she's the pedophile. Right? Local prosecutors looked into the issue. They attempted to make a case, but they gave it up in 2019. However,

The FBI had gotten tipped on to Apollo at this point, and I'm not precisely sure what it was that got them on, if it was just that case, you know, that local case that got dropped or what. But in 2018, they raided one of the Colt's private jets before it could take off from California to Manila. They caught Apollo and one of his female aides with $300,000 in cash and rifle parts.

So Apollo gets taken into custody. Rifle parts. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Apollo gets, yeah, that's an ITAR violation. Yeah. So Apollo gets taken briefly into custody, but his assistant pled responsibility for the money and gun parts. So she's like, hey, look, it was mine.

Right. And once they've done that, you're kind of fucked unless you have proof that they were lying. Right. So he gets let go and he takes a private flight back home to the Philippines and is like, guess I can't go to the U S no more. Lay low for a little bit guys. I'm not going to get Epstein to the way he got. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I watch the news too. Yeah. No,

No, no, no, no, no. That's all I need to see. So at this point in the U.S., a local and a federal investigation had both failed to bring Apollo down. But he was, again, smart enough to know that, like, I just can't travel freely anymore. So I'm going to stick to my compound near Mount Oppo.

So while he's doing that, continuing to preach, living it up, in 2020 and 2021, the FBI finally filed an indictment against Apollo and several of his chief lieutenants. And that's what I've been quoting from several times in these episodes. Sure.

Now, there are raids on several church properties in the United States. But so long as Apollo remained in the Philippines, he could count on the protection of his allies in the government. He even had the church flex its muscles to get a Filipino prosecutor to charge the Hawaii News Now, who reported on the case with criminal libel in the Philippines. I think they're probably going to be OK on those charges now. But thank God. Yeah, sure. They were sweating them.

They're like, wait. There's a lot of Filipinos in Hawaii too. So I can see how he's got homies over there. This is somewhat of a side note, but part of how I got radicalized for real was in college. So this Filipino girl

I think she teaches at SFC. I can name her because she's such a G. Her name's Irene, right? And she was a few years older than me. I had no idea that the type of guerrilla warfare, freedom fighters, that the way that was, how it was like, they was really bouted in the Philippines. And we was in college.

She was the first person to tell me I'd be good at poetry. And I just had such a crush on her because I'm like, really? You think so? You know what I'm saying? So like I totally started doing poetry. But she I say all that to say at some point she shaved her head and she moved to the Philippines.

to like fight in with the gorillas. You know what I'm saying? That's awesome. Yeah. She's like, and I was like, she's a little five foot nothing. Like, and Irene knows I'm like,

you know, everybody's we're adults now, but just, I just thought she was smoking hot. And like the coolest girl I've ever met that I was just like this little, like, yo, I'll follow you into the jungles. Like where, where are we going? I'm with you. You know what I'm saying? I'm ready. Let's go. Give me, you know what I'm saying? Give me my barong and let's go. Right. Uh,

You call your friends ride or die. I'm sorry. That's not what that word means. Yes, exactly. You know, and I was like, OK. So anyway, I got put on to like all that. Like when you when you were talking about, yo, there was this like guerrilla insurgents, this communist thing. I was like, oh, wait.

Like, my homegirl went, you know what I'm saying? From, went to, get this, went to Ayala High School, Sophie. Like, from Chino. Like, she, you know what I'm saying? She was from Chino. And then we went to school in Fullerton and broke out. And I was like, yo, you have taught, I'm telling you, like, she's part of why I got radicalized. Was like, and this, this with a Filipino stepmom. Like, not even knowing all this was happening. You feel me? Like, she, dog, she lit it up, dude. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway.

That's an aside, but shout out Irene. Shout out Irene and not a shout out to Apollo, who at this point is safely live streaming, you know, his video sermons from Mount Apo, which the church had renamed Glory Mountain on his YouTube program, Powerline.

which isn't that the name of- That is quite sexual. Isn't Powerline the name of the pop star from the Goofy movie? Yes. It is, okay, okay, that's good. I'm choosing to believe that's his second career, that he found Jesus after maybe getting too addicted to cocaine and he moved to the Philippines.

That's where I'm on about Powerline. According to the goof troop. Yeah, according to the goof troop. Yeah, that seems like where Powerline would have gone. Yeah, yeah. Now, the situation didn't start to change until Rodrigo Duterte announced his intention to step down at the end of his term in 2022. I think he had to, but everyone was kind of wondering, is he just gonna like stay, right? This likely, you know, the fact that he ultimately doesn't push the matter probably had something to do with the fact that he was...

There was an ongoing ICC investigation over his war on drugs, which had killed at least 6,000 people, but is believed to have led to tens of thousands of deaths.

So Duterte was ultimately succeeded by what should have been a friendly regime to Kiboloy, the son of the former dictator, Ferdinand Marcos Jr., better known as one of the great world leaders names around right now, Bongbong Marcos. That's a name. That's a good name for your president to have. I'm sorry. Listen, that's hard. Yeah. Listen, listen, President Trump shooting his fist up with the blood coming out his ear, talking about fight, fight. I don't know.

Bong Bong can take him. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying that's, look, that's hard as hell. That's what we need. So a name like Bong Bong, yes. That's a 350 EV sweep, my friend. Yes. Yes. You win. So Bong Bong becomes the president alongside Duterte's daughter as his VP. So again, you could be forgiven for being like, well...

Nothing's going to happen to Apollo with these folks in charge. I'm fine. Fucking Marcos' kid and Duterte's kid. It's fine. Alliance of the failed children. My God. Yeah. So, yeah. Now, that said, if you actually knew anything, and I don't, but this is what people who know things about Filipino politics say, like, if you knew anything about the political alliances in the country, this alliance was always going to collapse, right? And it sure as shit didn't.

did. Here's how the AP describes the start of the breakdown. Marcos reversed Duterte's pro-China stance and pivoted back to the United States, granting Washington greater access to Philippine bases amid China's assertiveness in the South China Sea and near Taiwan. He brought to the fore a 2016 arbitral ruling fortifying Manila's territorial claims in the South China Sea, which Duterte largely set aside in a move seen as directed at China, which is overlapping sovereignty claims in the South China Sea.

Marcos also sought to revive peace negotiations with communist rebels, which his predecessor had scrapped, in which Sarah Duterte has described as an agreement with the devil. So that's not just a conflict with the previous admin. That's a conflict with his own VP. All of this should have been taken by Apollo as a sign that his time enjoying immunity and state protection might be nearing an end.

Apollo had always been a ferocious anti-communist dating back to the first Marcos regime. And the fact that Bongbong is now like, Hey, let's talk to these people. Not a great sign for you. Danger. Will Robinson, probably a good sign for the Philippines, but not for you. Yeah. Yeah. Uh,

As the situation between Duterte and Marcos degenerated, Marcos started talking about rejoining the ICC, a move calculated entirely to fuck with Duterte, who'd withdrawn the Philippines once the ICC started investigating him. The breakdown eventually culminated earlier this year in both men accusing each other of being addicted to drugs. He on drugs. Uh-huh, look. That's all it is. He on drugs. He's high as hell. He just high.

It's nice to know that there's at least one other country that's right on our level. The Philippines, the US, and the United Kingdom. Just messy. All more or less sitting in the muck together. Yeah, just messy as shit. Yeah. Ireland walks by and flips us all collectively a coin. Yeah.

The U.S. prosecutors said, yeah. That's funny. U.S. prosecutors had been among the many, many, many observers who recognized that the political alliance between Duterte and Marcos wouldn't last and that its collapse would put Apollo Kiboloi at significant risk. In December of 2022, the U.S. Treasury Department sanctioned Kiboloi and accused him of serious human rights abuse, including pervasive rape of girls as young as 11.

No action was taken at this pervasive. Not a great word with. Yeah, not to put in front of rape. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No good word to put in front of except for, I guess, none. But you wouldn't say it that way. Anyway, no action was taken at this stage. But earlier this year, as the alliance crumbled entirely, a Philippine court was given the go ahead to order Kamaloy arrested on suspicion of child sex abuse and human trafficking.

Now, I have mentioned a few times in this episode how very American in styling Apollo is, and one of his many inspirations seems to be friend of the pod, David Koresh. As soon as the government came after him, Kiboloi went to ground, locking himself in the underground bunker complex he had built in his mountain. He built underground bunkers! Ah, man! You know, again, I'm just hoping this place is for sale soon. He is, when I tell you, like,

Late 90s, early 2000, like... Speaking of power line. Pentecostal, like...

What's the word I'm looking for? The name and acclaim it, guys. Like, why can't I think of the name of what they was? Prosperity. Oh, yeah. Prosperity gospel, guys. Yeah, just very much prosperity gospel. And you remember, they was into selling the Y2K stuff. Sure. They was selling bunkers. I'm like, you are hitting every note. You know what I'm saying? He was. Oh, you got a bunker in the Philippines? Bro, like, you've been taking notes, my dude. You are hiding in tunnels. Yes. Yeah.

Wow. So as he hid in his tunnels, he told his followers the devil had orchestrated all of his problems. A write-up by NBC News describes what happened next. Wow.

About 2,000 Philippine police officers surrounded the property. They were backed up by hundreds of soldiers as riots erupted among congregants who rallied to defend their leader. According to local media, more than 600 police officers were injured in violent clashes with church members who protested Kiboloy's innocence. One member died of a heart attack during the initial raid. Wow. Police said they would not leave the compound without Kiboloy, who said he would not be caught alive. For days, the standoff raged. Cool guy. Kiboloy.

- You gotta chill, Lolo. - He's about to. For days, the standoff raged as KOJC followers lined the streets to act as human barricades to keep the police out. For their part, Filipino authorities were unable to locate Phil Kiboloy in any of the main buildings of the compound and had to resort to the use of ground-penetrating radar, with which they eventually found his heartbeat.

Ground penetrating radar. That's scary as hell. They used radar to catch his ass? It's all good. They found his heartbeat underground? Listen, listen. It ain't safe in these streets, my dog. That is hilarious. You got all these armed SWATs dudes and one guy, one nerd in the back is like, hey, guys, guys, guys, guys, relax. Go get some coffee. I'll find him right now. We'll find his heart.

There you go right there. How do you know? I can hear his heartbeat. I'm not coming to bat for the sex criminal. I'm not. But I will say, where are we as a society when a cult leader can't even hide in underground tunnels without the authorities using ground penetrating radar? Is that the police state we want to live in? Big brother, man. I don't know. I'm not with that. Yeah, I feel you, man. The police got too much power.

I think the police should have to raid those tunnels, you know, but like fucking tunnel rat stuff like Vietnam era shit. Give them a fucking 38 revolver and a knife and have them crawl the fuck in there. Right. Catch the son of a bitch, you know. Yeah. Earn it. Yeah. Yeah. You don't get no patch for this. You don't get no tres puntos for that. Exactly. Exactly. I think we're on the same page here. So earn it. Yeah.

This is obviously just hearing that you can see like, well, I see why people were worried this was going to end in tremendous bloodshed. This does seem like the kind of situation. Yeah, this is the kind of situation. This could have gone a lot worse than it did. But after about two weeks of this shit, Apollo and several of his top people surrendered to the authorities and they are currently in custody.

At this point, it is too early to say how the situation is going to pan out. Kiboloy seems like he's dead to rights. After his prosecution in his home country, he should be extradited to the United States, which has more than enough dirt to put him away forever if the Philippines does not.

That said, we're talking about a connected man and a country with a lot of corruption. Duterte's daughter, the VP, has been publicly attacking Bongbong's administration, which she's a part of, over Apollo's arrest. It's not impossible that he fucking makes something happen here, right? That he skates in the Philippines at least. Yeah. I don't think that's likely. I think he's probably fucked. But, you know, I've been wrong before. So I'm not going to say definitely, you know, keep an eye on this bad boy.

While he is locked up, the church itself has wasted no time launching a media blitz to try and defend the son of God's contact. They put out a statement on the alleged human trafficking within the kingdom, which makes what I would describe prop as a flawed argument. Quote,

In the kingdom of Jesus Christ doctrine, your freedom of choice is the highest form of human rights exercise. And in the KOJC, we uphold this rule in everything we do as a corporate body or as an individual member. That's the reason why the kingdom are the happiest in what they do and believe to die for as they were not forced to do anything against their will.

One of the cardinal rules in the kingdom of Jesus Christ, which is the most important of all rules, is your freedom of choice or your freedom to choose. In exercising this rule, it means you cannot be forced or allow yourself to be forced to do anything against your own will, no matter what. So that means anything you do or anything that happens to you is your own voluntary will or choice. Right.

We believe in free will so strongly that anything that happens to you is something you chose. So if a bad thing occurs, that's on you. That was your choice? It's amazing. Amazing. It was cool until you said, and that happens to you. Like anything you choose and things you didn't choose. We're going there, huh? Yeah, like, wait, what? Like, yeah, yeah, totally. Like, did you hear what you just said? By being alive, you accept it's your fault if I fuck with you, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's your choice.

You joined the kingdom. Yeah. Now, I don't think that's, I'm not an expert on the law in the Philippines, right? I'm going to tell you that right now, prop. I will say, I don't think that's holding up at a US court. Fam, yeah, yeah. They'd be like, get out of my face with that bullshit. Not even Florida. Yeah, not yet. Like, come on, guys.

I do hope that Apollo takes some comfort from the fact that while his own legal situation might be dire, he at least has friends. And, you know, that's really what it's all about. Right. How many of us have? We're all going to have ups and downs, right? Having friends is really what matters in your time and need. And I want to read to you a very funny quote from an April 3rd, 2022 article by the Inquirer. Okay. Inquirer. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a Philippines paper. Duterte yesterday said that he offered to be the administrator of the KOJC properties to unburden his friend of its day-to-day operations.

The present rumblings, I would say, would maybe distract the pastor with the day-to-day operation. It was I who offered pastor. In the meantime, you're trying to figure out the things that you're going to do or say regarding this present whatever. I will run things for now, Duterte said during an interview with bloggers.

Duterte, however, specifically requested that he be left out of the financial side of the group's operation. Let me focus on the properties to see to it that it's preserved well for the congregation. Hey, man, I'd love to take this off your hands, bro. Like, don't even worry about it. You got so much on your plate, homie. I'll handle that. Y'all can still do the money thing. I'll just handle it.

It's such gangster shit. Here's the last two sentences of that quote. I love it. Duterte also explained that he was chosen by Kiboloi because of their friendship. Why me? Because I'm his friend, he said. Duterte said he used to have his firearms serviced by a guy who was living behind the church of Kiboloi in the city slum area. That's how he says they met. I was having all my guns worked on, met this guy in the slums. Anyway, I should take the buildings. Hearing that-

Hearing that last statement makes me more be like, oh, no, you're not getting away with this. You're going to stay in jail. You are fucked. Yeah, like, there's nothing you can pull. If he was like, hey, bro, don't worry about it. Fucking buzzards are picking at you, bro. Yeah, yeah. They done already divided your estate among the homies. That is not a good sign, my friend. Yeah, nah, bro, you staying in jail, homie. They putting you up under the jail, dog. If he talking about, hey, man...

Hey, look, don't worry about it. I'll take care of your property. I got your back. I'll keep an eye on this stuff. No, you're definitely going to get out. You won't be in prison forever, for sure. Hey, I'll hold this for you. Hey, homie, listen. Somebody, look, when you go to jail, Robert, for all the crimes you have said on this podcast. You call them crimes? Allegedly. Well, I call them crimes, too. I'm just saying, when you do, and if somebody says...

You're doing 15 years. Robert, don't worry about it. I'll take care of your wife. That is, that's, that's very nice. She's not your wife no more. That's right. Whoever it is. That's right. This is a fictitious wife. But you know, but you know, prop, they are my tunnels beneath my house. And I'm going to tell you one thing. I'm not leaving just because some cops have radar. I got gas masks. You know, I got air filters. Uh,

Yeah, I'm staying in the tunnels. Never leave the tunnels. I am absolutely figuring out how to get my entire family to your house when this goes down. Lots of tunnels. Honestly, more tunnels than the city says I'm allowed to dig under my house. Could be a problem when that quake hits. This might not be a great place to have tunnels. Maybe not.

Yeah, actually, come to think about it. Maybe not. That's where faith comes into the picture, my friend. That's where faith comes into the picture. Hopefully you are also chosen by God and saw the cloud by day. We will learn when the quake hits. I didn't get to mention that too. Another note he's hitting is when Moses went to the top of the mountain to get the Ten Commandments.

He went into the cloud and that's where God spoke. So when he came down from the cloud and he saw the rest of the children, Israel partying with the, with the golden calf, you know, this is all right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he came out of the cloud. Yeah. Yeah, totally. So like that. So I forgot that I was going to mention that. Like, yeah, he's hitting all the notes. He's basically saying, take every Sunday school lesson you learned,

about when God spoke and that all those things happened to me. Well, prop got any pluggables to plug? Yeah. So if you're in L.A., the park's finest is a Filipino barbecue spot. I just think just at least just enjoy. Let's for all that this man has done to the Pinoys. Let's figure out how to support them. So go download anything from Beat Rock Music.

Bamboo, Rocky Rivera. And then listen to my podcast, The Politics with Prop. And here's some music. Here's some poetry. And please, yeah. Yeah, man, continue to support us. But

But politics prop, man, we got some dope. We got some heaters coming up too. Yep. Yep. Listen to a hood politics, pick up props, book terraform. And also as we have been recording this, the information has come in about the fucking apocalyptic flooding, uh, as a result of the goddamn hurricane, uh,

Helena or Helene? Honestly, I've just seen it written so far. Helen? Is it just Helen? I don't care. There's an E at the end, so I feel like it's Helena or Helene. She sucks, no matter who she is. I mean, this is not her fault. This is our fault for our hubris. But anyway, it's really fucked, specifically North Carolina, a lot. It's not the only place, but like Asheville is, I mean...

I'm hoping it's not as bad as shit looks right now, but like there's a sign on I-40. I've seen a picture of that just says do not travel in Western North Carolina. So we are raising money for disaster relief, mutual aid disaster relief, working to help people in Asheville right now. Their PayPal is mutualaiddisasterrelief at gmail.com. Their Venmo is mutualaiddisasterrelief.com.

You can also go to actionnetwork.org slash fundraising slash mutual aid disaster relief. We will have these links along with the sources in our show notes. So check them out. Anyway, sorry if you're in North Carolina. Good luck.

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