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UnitedHealthcare Assassin: Italians Are Black Again?

2024/12/12
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参与讨论奥泽米克减重药的媒体风波和其社会影响的播客主持人。
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著名财务顾问和媒体人物,创立了广受欢迎的“婴儿步骤”财务计划。
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Trevor Noah:对事件的讨论从对凶手肤色的猜测开始,体现了人们对肤色的刻板印象。媒体对凶手肤色的描述(浅肤色)引发了对种族和媒体偏见的讨论,并提出了调侃性说法。他认为CEO被杀事件的公众反应与对其他政治人物遇袭事件的反应形成对比,公众对CEO被杀事件的反应更多的是娱乐和调侃。他认为CEO需要具备近乎反社会的人格才能胜任其工作,并对公司在事件发生后的反应提出了质疑。他认为美国社会普遍存在暴力,而CEO被杀事件让这种暴力触及到通常不会受到影响的群体。他认为CEO被杀事件的精准性和针对性让公众感觉与其他类型的枪击案不同。他认为公众对凶手的正面评价并非仅仅因为其外貌,也与其行为所代表的意义有关。他认为凶手的行为并非源于政治激进化,而是对现状的不满。他认为凶手的行为引发了对现有法律体系的反思。他认为对企业行为的惩罚与对个人行为的惩罚存在差异,并认为凶手杀害的并非无辜之人。他认为公众对凶手的看法与其行为的道德意义有关,这使得人们能够超越其通常的立场。他认为凶手可能并非事先计划好,而是基于对现状的不满而采取的行动。他认为凶手可能并非源于政治激进化。如果凶手的背痛是真的,并且一些故事是真的,如果他的律师巧妙地辩称自卫,那么很难判他入狱,因为他认为社会上最难处理的事情之一是,我们自己也身处我们试图重塑和拆除的事物之中。他认为公司不关心员工的死活,并认为凶手可能在策划再次作案。 Christiana:在凶手身份未确定之前,她认为讨论此事件是不合适的。她对事件的解读是基于个人情感和推测。她认为美国医疗保健系统的问题影响到所有社会阶层的人。她认为凶手的长相影响了公众对他的看法。她认为公众对凶手的看法与其行为的道德意义有关,这使得人们能够超越其通常的立场。她认为如果凶手是黑人,人们的讨论会完全不同。如果她作为陪审员,她会判凶手有罪,但会判处缓刑,因为她认为监狱并不能解决问题,而且凶手对社会没有直接的危险。她认为凶手应该为自己的行为负责,但也不应该在监狱里度过余生。 Josh:他看到凶手时,首先注意到的是凶手的肤色(白皙),这影响了他对事件的初步判断。媒体对不同身份人物的报道方式存在差异,对富裕阶层人物的报道更倾向于展现其正面形象。他认为麦当劳员工举报凶手是出于自保的目的。麦当劳公司未兑现对举报凶手的奖励,引发了讨论。他认为公众对凶手的看法存在分歧,一部分人将其视为“自由斗士”。他认为对企业行为的惩罚与对个人行为的惩罚存在差异。他认为凶手杀害的并非无辜之人,这使得人们对事件的看法更加复杂。他认为凶手的行为并非源于政治激进化。他认为企业可以将责任分散到许多人身上,从而减轻个人的责任。他认为凶手的行为并非源于政治激进化。他认为凶手可能在策划再次作案。如果他作为陪审员,他会判凶手无罪,因为他认为凶手并非蓄意谋杀,而是出于对医疗体系的不满。

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Why did the hosts express relief at seeing the shooter's white hands in the video?

The hosts expressed relief as it signaled a departure from the typical narrative of violence being associated with people of color, suggesting a different societal and media response.

Why did the description of the shooter as "light-skinned" by CBS News spark a discussion about Italian ethnicity?

The hosts found the term "light-skinned" unusual and speculated humorously that Italians might be considered Black again, referencing a separate incident involving Ariana Grande and a comment about her taking white roles.

Why did the hosts find humor in the possibility of the shooting being staged?

Initially, they joked that it might be an elaborate setup, with the shooter being hired by the studio, playing on common tropes and expectations surrounding such incidents.

Why did the hosts find the suspect's attractive appearance relevant to the public's reaction?

They discussed the phenomenon of "hot privilege," noting that the suspect's attractiveness contributed to a more sympathetic and even admiring response from some, particularly online, compared to cases involving less attractive individuals.

Why was the McDonald's worker who reported the suspect denied the reward money?

The reward was withheld due to bureaucratic complications involving approvals from two different bodies. Only one had approved the initial $10,000 reward before it was increased, leading to the denial.

Why did the hosts criticize the CEOs' reaction to the shooting?

The hosts found the CEOs' focus on their own safety and the removal of their online profiles to be self-serving and indicative of a lack of concern for the broader issues raised by the incident.

Why did the hosts see the suspect's manifesto as a critique of the healthcare system rather than a product of radicalization?

They interpreted the manifesto as a reasoned, albeit extreme, response to systemic failures in the US healthcare system, emphasizing the suspect's acknowledgement of his own limitations and the widespread awareness of the issues.

Why did the hosts find the public's reaction to the shooting, particularly the memes, significant?

The prevalence of dark humor and lack of sympathy for the CEO, in contrast to reactions to other shootings, highlighted public resentment towards the healthcare system and the perceived invulnerability of CEOs.

Why did the hosts speculate that the suspect's chronic pain might have been a contributing factor?

They discussed how chronic pain, exacerbated by the healthcare system's failures, could lead to extreme actions, while also noting that the suspect's targeted approach differed from typical acts of desperation.

Why did the hosts draw parallels between the suspect's actions and those of corporations?

They argued that corporations, like the suspect, cause harm but are often shielded from accountability, highlighting the discrepancy between individual and corporate responsibility.

What were the hosts' individual verdicts if they were on the jury?

Josh would plead not guilty by reason of insanity. Christiana would find him guilty but recommend probation. Trevor would struggle with a verdict, considering the suspect's motivations and the healthcare company's actions, potentially leaning towards self-defense.

Shownotes Transcript

In the wake of the killing of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO, the internet is awash with hot takes on health insurance and hot memes of everyone’s favorite assassin-bae. The facts may still be developing, but that’s not stopping Trevor, Christiana, and Josh from sharing their “sweeping judgements” on the matter. Is Luigi Mangione guilty? Not guilty? Hot guilty?

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