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All Hell Breaks Loose as Trump and Elon Go to War

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Elon Musk: 我认为特朗普政府的预算案存在问题,因为它增加了数万亿美元的赤字,并且没有充分削减开支。我曾经公开表示,如果国家预算不平衡,国会议员就不应该有资格再次当选。特朗普现在的做法与他过去的主张背道而驰,这让我感到失望。 Donald Trump: 我认为Elon Musk是因为我没有满足他的个人要求而感到不满,他可能患有“特朗普精神错乱综合症”。我曾经与他关系很好,他甚至戴过一顶写着“特朗普永远是对的”的帽子。现在他却公开反对我,这让我感到非常失望。 Ben Meiselas: 我认为特朗普和马斯克之间的冲突源于他们对预算案的不同看法以及马斯克对特朗普政治立场转变的不满。这场冲突也可能对共和党内部产生影响,因为一些共和党人担心马斯克会资助对他们的初选挑战。 Ron Filipkowski: 我认为我们需要了解更多关于马斯克声称没有他特朗普就不会赢得选举的细节。他对特朗普的指责需要更多证据支持。 Mike Johnson: 我曾经认为马斯克的算法可以帮助我们解决预算问题,他是个天才。但现在他和特朗普发生了冲突,这让我感到困惑。

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The public spat between Elon Musk and Donald Trump escalates, with Musk asserting that he was instrumental in Trump's 2020 election win and Trump accusing Musk of having "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Musk's criticisms focus on a disastrous budget bill.
  • Musk claims Trump would have lost the 2020 election without his support.
  • Trump accuses Musk of "Trump Derangement Syndrome."
  • Musk criticizes Trump's budget bill, highlighting its negative impacts and increased deficit.

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The war is on between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, and it is getting very bloody today on Thursday. Elon Musk posted the following after Donald Trump's disastrous presser in the Oval Office with Fli.de Mars, where Donald Trump attacked

Elon Musk and said Musk suffers from Trump derangement syndrome. Elon Musk posted without me, Trump would have lost the election. Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51 to 49 in the Senate.

Such ingratitude, Elon Musk post. Then Elon Musk stopped following Donald Trump's top advisor, Stephen Miller. It should be noted that Stephen Miller's wife left the White House to work for Elon Musk currently.

No news on the status of Stephen Miller's wife, although rumors were swirling as Stephen Miller's wife left the White House to work for Elon Musk, whatever that means. Elon Musk continues to make posts like this.

The Trump administration, he's reposting some of his tech bros. The Trump administration should recognize Elon's point about the budget and build a bridge with him and the majority of Americans who want to see us cut spending. Exactly, says Elon Musk. Our editor in chief, Ron Filipkowski, responded to Elon Musk's post about

That without Musk, Trump would not have won the election and that Trump is showing such ingratitude. Our editor in chief, Ron Filipkowski, writes, we need the details. Elon Musk continued to make post after post. He was reposting.

Donald Trump's messages from 2012, like Donald Trump saying, no members of Congress should be eligible for reelection if our country's budget is not balanced. Deficits not allowed. Elon Musk responded to that 100%. Where is that, Donald Trump? In other words, is what Elon Musk is saying because this budget bill that Donald Trump and MAGA Mike Johnson are pushing is an absolute disaster. Now,

I think it's an absolute disaster because it will take off 10 to 20 million people from Medicaid. It will attack Medicare, will take people off their Affordable Care Act plans. It takes away Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits, food stamps for people. It cuts people's

rental assistance. It will lead to many more people, millions of people potentially becoming unhoused. It attacks women's reproductive rights. It's a massive transfer of wealth to billionaires in the forms of trillions of dollars of tax cuts. And it adds to the deficit trillions and trillions of dollars. Elon Musk hates the budget bill because it adds to the deficit trillions of dollars, or at least that's the reason that he's giving why he hates

the disastrous budget bill. Elon Musk reposts this from Donald Trump, July 31st, 2012. Again, no member of Congress should be eligible for reelection. Then Elon Musk posts this video of Donald Trump and says, this is false what you're saying. This was from the press conference earlier this

uh in the day with friedrich mars the german chancellor in the oval office i did a whole other video on that earlier it was really deranged where donald trump was like i got off the phone with putin and i told putin that the war in ukraine is like two kids playing hockey against each other who get into a hockey fight

that's go back and watch the other video i did on this um but in this clip i'll play it for you trump goes i'm very disappointed with elon i've helped him a lot he knew the inner workings of the bill better than anybody sitting here he had no problem with it all of a sudden he had a problem and he only developed the problem when he found out we're going to cut ev the ev mandate the electric vehicle mandate elon musk then writes false this bill was never shown to me even once

and was passed in the dead of night so fast that almost no one in Congress could even read what was in the bill. Here's what Trump said at that disastrous Oval Office presser. Play the clip. But if they picked him, I would have won Pennsylvania. I won it by a lot.

But I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill better than almost anybody sitting here, better than you people. He knew everything about it. He had no problem with it. All of a sudden he had a problem. And he only developed the problem when he found out that we're going to have to cut the EV mandate because that's billions and billions of dollars. And it really is unfair. We want to have cars of all types, electric. We want to have electric, but we want to have a gasoline car.

combustion. We want to have different. We want to have hybrids. We want to have all. We want to be able to sell everything. And when that was cut and Congress wanted to cut it, it became a little bit different. And I can understand that. But he knew every aspect of this bill. He knew it better than almost anybody. And he never had a problem until right after he left. And if you saw the statements he made about me, which I'm sure you can get very easily, it's very fresh on tape.

he said the most beautiful things about me. And he hasn't said bad about me personally, but I'm sure that'll be next. But I'm, I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot. Yeah.

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Elon Musk continued. He posts, whatever. Keep the EV solar incentive cuts in the bill, even though no oil and gas subsidies are touched. Very unfair. But ditch the mountain of disgusting pork in the mill. In the entire history of civilization, there has never been legislation that is both big and beautiful. Everyone knows this.

Either you get a big and ugly bill or a slim and beautiful bill. Slim and beautiful is the way. Then Elon Musk says, where is this guy today? And it's all of Donald Trump's posts from 2012, 2011, 2013, with Donald Trump saying we could use the balanced budget amendment. Politicians don't have the will to cut spending.

I cannot believe the Republicans are extending the debt ceiling. I am a Republican and I am embarrassed. That was 2013. We need a balanced budget amendment because Congress has no fiscal discipline. July 25th, 2011. The Republicans should not give Barack Obama the authority to raise the debt another $1.2 trillion. January 13th, 2012. It should be noted that this disastrous budget bill that Trump's trying to push raises the debt ceiling by $4 trillion.

a trillion dollars. I could go on and read those posts, but you get the point. It's Donald Trump saying the exact opposite things about what he's doing right now. This is Donald Trump in the Oval Office attacking Elon Musk. He says, "I think what's really going on here is that Elon Musk misses the place, that Musk wants to be here in the Oval Office, and that Musk has Trump derangement syndrome." Here, play this clip. - Embrace it, and some of them actually become hostile.

I don't know what it is. It's sort of Trump derangement syndrome, I guess they call it. But we have it with others too. They leave and they wake up in the morning

and the glamour's gone, the whole world is different, and they become hostile. I don't know what it is. Someday you'll write a book about it and you'll let us know. Donald Trump says that Elon Musk wore a hat that said Trump is always right. And so since Elon Musk wore the hat, once you wear the hat, there's no going back. That's what Donald Trump was saying with the German Chancellor, Friedrich Maas, next to him. I'm just thinking if you're like in Germany and you're watching this,

And you have Donald Trump saying, "He wore the hat." Once you wear the hat, there's no going back. You wear a hat that says, "MAGA, you're in the cult." Here, play this clip. - Look, Elon and I had a great relationship.

I don't know if we will anymore. I was surprised because you were here. Everybody in this room practically was here as we had a wonderful send off. He said wonderful things about me. You couldn't have nicer said the best thing. He's worn the hat. Trump was right about everything. And I am right about the great, big, beautiful bill. We call it a great, big, beautiful bill because that's what it is.

And again, biggest tax cuts in history, biggest economic development moves anywhere. We've never done anything like it. Business is spurred. And I don't know if you've seen the numbers, but the numbers... And not just people in Germany, people all around the world, of course, watching this going, what the hell is happening in America? I don't know. I'm opposing this. I'm resisting this. We're not all like this. I promise you.

Okay. Donald Trump then says, I don't know what happened to Elon. He was a very happy man. He stood with me in the Oval Office. He had that black eye. Remember everybody when he had a black eye? I was going to give him makeup. I told him, Elon, you should use some makeup. But he didn't want to wear the makeup. Here, play this clip. He wanted that person, a certain person. And we said no. And I can understand why he's upset. Remember, he was here for a long time. You saw a...

man who was very happy when he stood behind the oval desk. And even with the black eye, I said, do you want a little makeup? We'll get you a little makeup. But he said, no, I don't think so, which is interesting and very nice. He wants to be who he is. So you could make that statement too, I guess. Look, Elon. Oh my gosh, this whole feud between Elon Musk and Donald Trump is one of the most humiliating things. Then Elon Musk

reposts an account called Autism Capital that says Elon continues to mount the high school pressure campaign. Meanwhile, Tesla stock was tanking as a result of this fight. The Wall Street Journal headline from yesterday evening, Trump is losing patience with Musk's outburst over Megaville. So I suppose it was just a matter of time.

We now see that reeling House Republicans are now terrified that Musk is going to target them next. So now you have House Republicans worried that Elon Musk is going to fund primary challenges to them.

And then I go back to Botox Maga Mike Johnson. Remember what Botox Maga Mike had to say? Botox Maga Mike Johnson back in March said that Elon's algorithms figured this all out. It was going to make the budget amazing. Elon's a genius. And Elon is basically the brains behind everything that's going on in the Republican House and Senate.

Well, now Elon is at war with y'all. So what the hell is happening? Play this clip. We wanted to pass a resolution that would effectively free spending so that the administration can continue its incredible work through Doge and through the other efforts of the administration to go in and root out the fraud, waste and abuse that we've been trying to target in Congress for decades. But we haven't been able to get to it.

because we didn't have the algorithms that Elon has. We didn't have the access to all the data and the funding. And so now the game has changed. So we needed to hold the line in what we're doing right now so that when we get to the next fiscal year, FY26, which we will begin work on immediately now that this is done, we'll be able to incorporate all those savings and all the new transformational kinds of policies the administration is working with us to bring about. So this bill effectively does freeze funding, except that what you said,

It adds a little to defense. That's what Pete Hegseth said he needed, the Department of Defense, some flexibility and $6 billion additional dollars for the immediate needs. And it reduces non-defense discretionary spending by about $13 billion. So overall, a $7 billion savings to the American people. And Mark, we are just getting started. That's why I call him Botox Mega Mike. That was Botox Mega Mike.

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