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MAGA Mike Has Worst Day of His Life After Terrible News

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Ben Meiselas: MAGA Mike Johnson 以为能为特朗普送上灾难性预算案,却遭 Elon Musk 背叛。Elon Musk 不喜欢 Mike Johnson,不再接电话,并威胁对支持该法案的共和党议员发起挑战。该预算案会剥夺数百万美国人的医疗保健,给富人减税,夺走低收入人群的食物,甚至剥夺妇女的生育权。Elon Musk 实际上希望预算案更加残酷,但 Mike Johnson 没有满足他,因此 Elon Musk 强烈反对该法案,并在评论区批评。连 Steve Bannon 也反对该预算案,认为要减少债务必须向富人征税。 Mike Johnson: 我昨天给 Elon 打了电话,但他没接,希望今天能和他谈谈。我认为 Elon 理解这件事的严重性,并且之前也承认过我们不能在这件事上胡闹。这项法案对美国经济至关重要,将为美国经济注入活力。如果失败,年底将迎来美国历史上最大的增税。我认为 Elon Musk 完全错了,我在公开和私下都这么说过。我不担心这件事对中期选举的影响,因为当这个伟大的法案完成并签署成为法律后,每个美国人都会过得更好。这项法案是为中产阶级和工人阶级美国人设计的,他们会感受到它的影响,并且会在中期选举前感受到。特朗普对 Elon 的转变并不高兴,但我期待再次和我的朋友谈谈这件事,我对此并不生气。 Steve Bannon: 如果你想阻止债务炸弹,就必须提高税收。富人不能延长减税政策,这些钱必须给中产阶级和工人阶级,必须使其永久化。最高税率应该回到 39.5% 甚至 40%。 Rand Paul: 我一直反对赤字支出。 Ralph Norman: 你基本上是在让这个国家背负不可持续的债务。 John Kennedy: 我认为他相信我的判断,我们正迅速成为债务奴隶,国会需要重新获得否决的神奇力量,我同意这一点。 James Comer: Elon Musk 的言论没有帮助,但我认为这不会产生很大的影响。我们专注于推进特朗普总统的议程,我相信有足够的参议员会通过这项法案。 议员 Garcia: 如果没有社会保障,2200 万人将被推入贫困。我们需要追究共和党人攻击医疗保险、医疗补助和社会保障的责任。 Jessica Tarloff: Steve Bannon 也和 Elon Musk 一样反对该预算案,他认为必须提高税收。这项法案将使赤字增加至少 2.4 万亿美元,削减 1600 万医疗补助,并威胁到医疗保险。共和党人更希望我们谈论 Elon Musk,而不是预算案本身。最终的 CBO 评分显示,赤字将增加 2.4 万亿美元,减税 3.7 万亿美元,总共有 1600 万人将失去医疗保险。 Dan Bongino: 我们当然要关注 COVID 的起源,政府故意对美国人民撒谎。 议员 Crane: 我们希望 Elon Musk 早点告诉我们他不喜欢这项法案。 Ro Khanna: 向富人征税,向我的选民征税更多,他们不会有感觉的。如果他们觉得不舒服,就去其他国家。我们应该关注的是免费医疗、免费教育和可负担的住房。

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This chapter analyzes Elon Musk's public opposition to the budget bill championed by MAGA Mike Johnson. It explores the breakdown in their relationship and the political ramifications of Musk's change of heart. The reactions from various figures in the Republican party are also examined.
  • Elon Musk publicly opposed the budget bill, calling it an "abomination."
  • MAGA Mike Johnson expressed surprise and disappointment at Musk's stance.
  • The incident caused a rift between Musk and Johnson, with Musk refusing to answer Johnson's calls.
  • Johnson maintained that the bill was beneficial for the US economy and that he expected Musk to eventually come around.

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By Elon Musk, who you thought was your friend. My friend Elon Musk. We partied together at the UFC fights. Uh-uh, Elon Musk doesn't like you. Elon Musk isn't returning your phone calls anymore. Elon Musk says that he's going to run primary challenges against any MAGA Republican Congress member who votes for the disastrous budget bill.

Elon Musk says that the budget bill, Maga Mike, is a total abomination and that it needs to be killed immediately. Elon Musk keeps posting, kill the bill. But I thought, Maga Mike Johnson, you said that Elon Musk had the genius algorithms and

And the AI in it figured out ways to make this bill so big and beautiful. What happened? He hates the bill, Maga Mike Johnson. Yep. So Maga Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, he thought he was close to the end zone. He thought he was going to deliver the touchdown for Donald Trump, a disastrous budget bill, which I refer to as the murder bill, which would literally kill people.

Tens of millions of Americans take 11 million Americans or so off of health care, give the billionaires trillions of dollars in tax cuts, steal food from the mouths of low income people, get rid of supplemental nutrition assistance programs, buy buy food stamps,

Make more people unhoused by removing rental assistance in Section 8 housing, taking away women's reproductive rights. You know, all the things that the MAGA Republicans love in their death cult and all of the suffering. But you see, for Elon Musk, the problem is...

Because of the increase in the deficit, Elon Musk, I think, actually wants more cruelty in this budget bill. And you ain't giving it to Elon Musk, Mega Mike Johnson. So Elon Musk came out strong against the budget bill. He's saying kill the bill. Elon Musk has been posting all of the comment sections.

from Fox with people saying that they feel betrayed by MAGA Mike Johnson and Donald Trump about how abysmal this budget bill is. And Mike Johnson says that Elon Musk is ghosting him. Elon Musk won't return his call. Watch MAGA Mike Johnson's disastrous press conference. Let's play this clip. You talked

You talked to Elon on Monday. He made this 180. What do you think changed? Why do you think he's coming out against us now? And have you spoken to the president and Elon since the infamous tweet?

Well, I'll tell you, I called Elon last night and he didn't answer, but I hope to talk to him today. I mean, it's not – it's very friendly, and we've laughed about our differences on policy before. I'm not upset about this, and I just – I think he understands, and he's acknowledged to me before, that this is so serious that we can't fool around with it.

I mean, the debt cliff is approaching very quickly, right? All the things that are in this bill are so important for the U.S. economy. It's going to be jet fuel for the U.S. economy. All boats are going to rise. And the sooner we do that, the better. And the risk of not getting it done is enormous, not just for the Republican Party, but for the country. We've got to do this. We're going to have the largest tax increase in U.S. history at the end of the year if we fail.

and all the other calamities that we've talked about. So we've got to get it done. And I think Elon understands the weight of that. And I hope he comes around. I'd love to talk to him this week and hope he calls him back today. And then MAGA Mike Johnson says that he thinks that Elon Musk is just flat wrong. Here, play this clip. And then yesterday, you know, 24 hours later, he does a 180 and he comes out and opposed the bill. And it surprised me, frankly. And I don't take it personal. We don't take it personal. You know, policy differences are not personal.

I think he's flat wrong. I think he's way off on this, and I've told him as much, and I've said it publicly and privately. I'm very consistent in that. But am I concerned about the effectiveness on the midterms? I'm not. Let me tell you why, because when the big, beautiful bill is done and signed into law –

Every single American is going to do better. This bill is geared for middle and working class Americans, and they are going to feel the effects of it, and they're going to feel it before the midterm election. So I have no concern whatsoever. I'm absolutely convinced that we're going to win the midterms and grow the House majority because we're delivering for the American people and fulfilling our campaign promises, and we'll see how that happens.

MAG and Mike Johnson also says that he speaks to Elon, he speaks to Donald Trump multiple times a day. He used to speak to Elon Musk multiple times a day and he goes, Donald Trump is not delighted. Donald Trump's been like hiding since last Friday where he went to the US steel factory in Pittsburgh and lied to the steel workers

that Nippon Steel was not acquiring them when they clearly were. But here's the MAGA Mike Johnson thing. I talked to Donald Trump multiple times a day. Here, play this clip. I've talked to President Trump all the time, multiple times a day. Obviously, we've talked about this. As you know, he's not delighted that Elon did a 180 on that. But look,

Look, I don't know what happened in 24 hours. Everybody can draw their own conclusions about that. OK, but I look forward to talking to my friend about it again. And I'm not upset about it. All right. Yeah. Olivia. And you, Brutus, and you, Brutus, too. Even Steve Bannon has come out against this budget bill. And Steve Bannon says, look, if you want to reduce the debt significantly, you got to tax the rich.

You got to tax the wealthy. And I can't believe, am I really saying this? That I agree with Steve Bannon here that you do need to tax the rich. Even a broken clock is right twice. Here, play this clip. Want to stop the dead bomb, Elon and the guys on Capitol Hill? You're going to have to raise taxes. The wealthy can't get an extension of the tax cut. That's got to go to the middle class and the working class. That has to be extended. It has to be made permanent.

At 40%, the top bracket of 40%, you pick them. That's got to go to 39, go back to 30, snap back to 39.5%, it'll go to 40%. The math simply doesn't work. Here's MAGA Republican Senator Rand Paul. Here's what he's got to say. Play this clip. President Trump chided Kentucky Republican Rand Paul today for opposing the bill.

Senator, he says that you don't understand the bill and that you love to vote no. Well, I would say that's not actually true. I would say that I've been pretty consistent in my time in the Senate at being opposed to deficit spending.

Here's what MAGA Republican Congress member Ralph Norman has to say, play this clip. Putting GOP supporters on the defensive. He says you're basically saddling this country with unsustainable debt.

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believes in my judgment correctly that we're quickly becoming debt slaves, that Congress needs to re-arn the magical healing power of no, and I agree with it. Having said that, I'm not ready to throw in the towel on this bill.

And guess what, everybody? MAGA Republican James Comer. I'm James Comer. James Comer's very upset about this. It wasn't helpful at Elon Musk. I'm James Comer. Here, play this clip. I want to support President Trump and his agenda. The big, beautiful bill is that. So it's disappointing that Elon Musk said that.

what he said. It wasn't helpful, but at the end of the day, I don't think it's going to sway very much influence. We're focused on pricing President Trump's agenda, and I'm confident there are enough senators that will pass that bill out of the Senate, and hopefully we can agree to the changes that they make in the Senate and get President Trump his first major legislative victory of his second term.

Take a look at this great line of questioning by Democratic Congress member Garcia of MAGA Republican Congress member Turner. Play this clip. Mr. Turner, you're one of our witnesses today, an expert on economics and a bunch of other things. Mr. Turner, you were invited to testify as an expert on government spending. This is your post. Is this correct?

Did you post this, sir? - Yes, sir. - Okay, you called Social Security a Ponzi scheme. - 100%. - Which we know Elon Musk has also done. I'm glad you admitted it. Social Security is a government-sponsored Ponzi scheme

As you said, now, I what about the second part, though, sir? I should be able to keep 100 percent of my read that you could read the money. It's right. I watch government waste. Thank you for giving nine billion dollars. Thank you, sir. My nine billion dollars. The climate group. Madam Chairwoman. Thank you. Thank you, sir. A Ponzi scheme. And so I think it's interesting, of course, as one of our Republican witnesses.

is calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme, and that's a person that we should be taking advice from here today. Without Social Security, 22 million people would be pushed into poverty. That includes over 16 million seniors and nearly 1 million children. And in fact, Elon Musk has also said and agreed with you, sir, that this is a Ponzi scheme. I think it's

Ironic that you are one of our witnesses talking about efficiency when you want to attack the single best program that we have to support people, not just out of poverty, but across this country to uplift them to ensure they can afford a decent life. We on this committee need to work every single day, not just to protect social security, but to hold Republicans accountable for attacking

Medicare, Medicaid for attacking Social Security and the programs that we all depend on. With that, I yield back. Thank you. And Jessica Tarloff's getting in on the action. She goes...

pro-democracy hero over at Fox. She goes, Steve Bannon, a huge supporter of Donald Trump, feels the same way as Musk. Play this clip. That's what matters. And Steve Bannon, a huge supporter of President Trump, feels the same as Elon Musk does about it. He says, you're going to have to raise taxes. And the Republicans have a new talking point. Mike Johnson was doing this on the Sunday shows. Lutnick's tried it. Besson's tried it. Where they say, oh, the CBO, it's a Democratic organization. It's run by a Bush report.

who's only ever donated once to a candidate, and it was a Republican in 2014. But the CBO was fine in 2018 and 2019 when their projections were 99.5% accurate grading Trump's bill. But because it's... But Jessica, let's just be honest. I worked on Capitol Hill starting in 1996. You can do the math. Okay. Ever since then,

Anybody who is president and doesn't have a... They hate the CBO. And Biden... They hated the CBO then. But the point is that it's accurate. And they're saying that it's a lie. I actually don't think that it's correct to say that it's accurate. I think that it is...

complicated and complex and difficult. And you can argue it in all these different ways. You can get different people to use different numbers. But the Biden people hated CBO. And now the Trump people hate you. I think it always. So now with MAGA Mike Johnson and Donald Trump's feelings all hurt, you know, they got to come up with their distraction, right? They got to come up with their distraction. So here you have Dan Bongino going on Fox

And rather than them devoting the time to talking about Elon Musk trying to tank this disastrous budget bill, what do they spend their time on? Dan Bongino says, damn right, we're focusing on the COVID origins. Damn right, that's what we're focused on. Here, play this clip. Let me ask you about, and again, a lightning round. Let's go quickly. COVID origins. Are we going to find out information that the government lied to us?

You're damn right you are. We're all over that. The minute I got in there in that job, I said, get everybody in there. They purposely lied to the American people. They purposely lied to us. Oh, you're going to find out. Yeah, listen, that's the one I'm the most optimistic about. I was pretty clear on my social media account that I ordered that case immediately to be looked into again. We have a great investigator on it, and I think we should see action on that one shortly.

Then you had MAGA Republican Congress member, Crane, and he was all upset. He's like, "Why didn't Elon Musk come out earlier? We would have wished that he would have told us he didn't like this bill any earlier." Here, play this clip. - Why wasn't he talking about this before the bill, right? And that's what frustrates me. Hey, if you're gonna be in this fight,

Be in this fight when we need you, because we needed him. And finally, here we have Jessica Tarloff saying, we've got the Congressional Budget Office scoring. Came out. We know what's going to be added to the deficit here. We're talking about at least $2.4 trillion added to the deficit. We're talking about $16 million Medicaid cuts. We're talking about Obamacare credit tax cuts. We're talking about Medicare on the chopping blocks, Medicaid and Medicare. Watch this clip. Ha ha ha.

Not a ton, but I know that I have to to some degree. I mean, I'm a pretty happy Democrat. You are, but that's because you're around us. Oh, it's my conservative lift that I get every day. Yes, it is. We keep you real. We keep you real. You don't drift off into some far left loony bin. I mean, sometimes, but I is in love with Elon Musk. Politics is a game.

And J.D. Vance didn't like Donald Trump a whole lot, right? He said America's Hitler. Now he's the vice president. Marco Rubio has all the other jobs in the government, and he hated Donald Trump. Ted Cruz has forgiven him for saying that his wife is super ugly and saying that his dad was a murderer, right? Didn't he say that about Ted Cruz? Anyway. He was only half right. So for this particular...

In this particular moment, we have something in common with Elon Musk. We should definitely leverage it. That's what's important. But I do think that Republicans, including my dear colleagues here at the table, would prefer that we were talking about Elon Musk versus the Republicans

brass tacks of the bill itself. So the final CDO scoring came out today. 2.4 trillion. Yeah, oh boy. 2.4 trillion to the deficit, 3.7 trillion in tax cuts, 16 million all in total between Medicaid cuts and Obamacare credit tax cuts.

going off their health insurance. That's what matters. So, uh-oh, MAGA Mike Johnson. I'm sorry, MAGA Mike. I'm sorry, MAGA Mike. But what a disastrous bill this is, in all honesty, right? This bill actually is an abomination, not for the reasons that Elon Musk doesn't like it, although I think that we should rein in the deficit. But to me, it's easy. You know how you rein in the deficit? You tax the billionaires more. You do. First off, they should be paying...

at the very least, the same percentage of their income as everybody else. They shouldn't be paying less, but I think they should be taxed at a higher rate. I think after X millions of dollars, then hundreds of millions of dollars, then billions of dollars, yeah, I think you get taxed more.

I think you look, Ro Khanna, Democratic Congress member from Silicon Valley. He represents Silicon Valley. Way more billionaires in his district than everywhere. He says, tax the rich, tax my constituents more. They won't feel it. Tax them more. And if they and if they are fear, if they do feel it, if they're too greedy, whatever, then to go to another country. You want to live in the United States. You get all of these incredible benefits there.

You think you want tax cuts so you can buy five extra private jets instead of one extra private jets? Now, F that. Tax the rich. Give people free healthcare. Give people free education. That's a right, in my view. Healthcare, education. Treat people with dignity and equality. People shouldn't be living paycheck to paycheck. It's ridiculous. People should have affordable housing.

That's what we should be focused on. Not disastrous budget bills that rip apart government services and take money and take lunch out of the mouths of children. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 5 million subscribers.