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Rahm Emanuel Responds to Trump Policy Disasters

2025/6/12
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Ben Meiselas: 我认为整个亚洲对美国感到愤怒,甚至在嘲笑美国。他们对特朗普领导下的美国现状感到非常不满。例如,日本首相表示,不会为了特朗普的快速贸易协议而牺牲日本的利益。特朗普声称与中国达成了新的协议,但实际上只是在5月12日达成的共识框架,美国降低了对华关税。中国还设定了六个月的稀土出口许可证期限。现在,特朗普对美国人征收55%的关税,而中国只对其人民征收10%的关税,并且对进入美国的稀土矿物有六个月的时间限制。因此,美国的形象在许多国家,尤其是在亚洲,正在下降。在日本,对美国没有信心的比例很高,而在韩国,这个比例更高。特朗普没有对华战略,与中国的贸易协议突显了美国的关键劣势。 Rahm Emanuel: 近期中国在亚洲地区的军事行动和经济策略,以及美国在该区域的反应,都显示出美国影响力的减弱。中国在悉尼附近进行了实弹演习,对民用航空造成了影响,这是在传递信息。中国的飞机在日本附近以极近的距离接近日本的C-130飞机,并且在尖阁诸岛和南海采取了前所未有的行动。国防部长在新加坡的香格里拉防务安全会议上发表讲话时,几乎没有提到韩国。美国正在审查与英国和澳大利亚之间的潜艇生产协议(AUKUS)。这些事件表明,中国变得更加咄咄逼人,而美国则显得更加退缩和不确定,这破坏了澳大利亚、韩国、日本和菲律宾等传统盟友的信心,以及美国在该地区投射威慑力量的方式。日本是美国债券的最大外国买家和最大的投资者,他们表示不会达成快速协议,这表明所有外国政府都知道总统迫切需要快速达成协议。每个人都知道,在关税问题上,只要有耐心,总统是冲动的,只关心新闻稿,不在乎美国是赢是输,只在乎自己看起来像赢家,所以他们掌握了他的弱点,并利用他对快速成功的渴望来为自己谋利,损害美国的利益。美国和中国之间没有真正的贸易协议,中国一直在进行经济胁迫,并且正在对美国进行关键矿产的经济胁迫。中国积极参与知识产权盗窃和经济间谍活动,并采取重商主义政策。中国国内需求很少,大规模制造,低价出口,摧毁其他国家的钢铁、汽车或科技产业,而总统对此毫无作为。特朗普因为冲动和渴望得到习近平的青睐,想表现得像个强者,结果北京方面一直在嘲笑他。美国在知识产权盗窃、重商主义和经济间谍活动方面没有任何影响,盟友们都在看着中国如何击败美国。申请从中国获取磁铁的人都表示,他们被问及非常详细的问题,包括最终用户是谁,如何使用它们,想要什么,这又是另一种形式的经济间谍活动。特朗普政府是最差的谈判者,因为他们只想发布新闻稿,而不是制定经济计划。特朗普想表现得像个强者,但实际上却非常软弱,损害了这个国家。

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This chapter analyzes the declining U.S. image in Asia, particularly in Japan and South Korea, under Trump's administration. It highlights critical reactions from Asian leaders and media to Trump's trade policies and actions.
  • Declining U.S. confidence in Japan (61%) and South Korea (67%)
  • Trump's trade deals perceived as unfavorable to Japan
  • China setting deadlines on rare earth mineral exports to the U.S.
  • Trump's commerce secretary bragging about KFC lunch with Chinese officials

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Asia as a whole is furious at the United States and kind of mocking the U.S. as well. And I think they're just really pissed at what the United States has become under Donald Trump. Let's just take a look, for example, in Japan, where Prime Minister Ashiba is saying that, look, I

I know that Donald Trump's saying all these things out here, but we're not going to forego Japan's interest just to do some quick trade deal that Donald Trump can make social media posts about. He goes, look, if there's progress before I meet, that's good. But what's important is to achieve an agreement that's beneficial to both Japan and the U.S. We're not going to compromise Japan's interest just because the U.S. wants to make a quick deal.

So you have that going on there. Then you have in China, Donald Trump,

is claiming that he's now done another deal, but it's not a deal. It's actually a framework regarding a consensus that was reached on May 12th, which was really just the United States caving and moving the tariffs from 145% against China to 35%, but it's really 55%. And then China set a deadline on the United States, just the, just,

Think about this as part of this consensus. China sets the deadline, a six month limit on its ease of rare earth export licenses for rare earth minerals. So Trump's idea of a good deal is that we were getting rare earth minerals from China and we were having a trade relationship with them.

before Donald Trump declared a trade war against the world. And now Donald Trump's taxing Americans 55% in the forms of tariffs against China. China's tariffing its own people only 10%. And now we have a six-month time limitation on rare earth minerals coming into the U.S. that was coming in

before. So it's not a shocker that the U.S. image is declining in many nations, especially in Asia. If you look at the latest Pew Research poll, for example, in Japan, low to zero confidence of the United States, 61% of the population with Donald Trump leading the U.S. have a low to no confidence of the U.S. In South Korea, it's even higher, 67% have low to zero confidence. You have a

op-eds like this in Politico, and I saw one in the Wall Street Journal as well. In Wall Street Journal, it was Trump has no China strategy. In Politico, it was Trump's latest trade deal with China underscores key U.S. disadvantage. Then meanwhile, you have Trump's Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick going on and bragging about having KFC with

The Chinese here play this clip. But I want you to know for lunch, for lunch, we had British pizza and they ordered Kentucky fried chicken. So, so Mr. Secretary, you, after spending, let's bring in Rahm Emanuel, former ambassador to Japan, former chief of staff to former president Obama.

As the former ambassador to Japan, you must have a lot of thoughts about this. I want to pick your brain on that. Then I want to go talk about the larger trade war situation that's taken place in your views. You and I spoke about two months ago on this topic, so it's good time for an update. Yeah. So let's do economics, Asia, and let's do national security, Asia, because I think there's something important because I can just tell you from my time in Japan,

Those two weave in and out of each other through the process. Three things that have caught my attention, four things caught my attention on the national security front. A couple of months ago, China did an exercise, live ammunition exercise off of Sydney for the first time ever and that close to Sydney to the point that it impacted civil aviation. And that was a message sent. Second, just the other day,

near Japan. They came within, I think, 300 feet in aviation with their jet versus a C-130 that Japan was flying in a way that Japan had not seen. And they've done certain things around the Senkaku Islands, both countries claim, but also had something that had not been seen before. Also in the South China Sea, vis-a-vis the Philippines and the Spratly Islands, China had a much more aggressive posture there.

And Secretary of Defense Hegseth was in Singapore at the Shangri-La Defense and Security Conference. And he gives an entire speech in which he doesn't really mention Korea. Kind of reminds you of Dean Acheson's absence of mentioning Korea. And there is some open discussion there.

in that area about America pulling some troops out of Korea. And then lastly, the United States is reviewing the agreement we had between Great Britain, Australia, and the United States on submarine production. It was called AUKUS. And you look at all of these events, call it in a 60-day period, you have a much more aggressive China,

and a much more retreating, unsure America, which is destabilizing the confidence of an Australia, a South Korea, a Japan, or Philippines, or traditional allies, and not just allies, how America projects deterrence in the region. Split screen, that's on the left side. On the right side of the screen, economics. One word caught me in what the Japanese, who are the largest buyers of American bonds by a foreign government,

the largest investor in the United States, four consecutive years of which nearly half of their investments are in manufacturing and in industrial. They said, we're not going to do a quick deal. And the key word, not deal, the key word there is quick. Every foreign government now, Japan and China also, know that the president is desperate for quick deal, just a press release. Don't care what the substance is. It's an announcement.

just as the president just showed with China. And everybody understands now on the quote unquote tariffs, all you have to do is be patient because the president is impulsive and all he cares about is a press release. Doesn't really care what's in the press release. Doesn't care whether America wins or loses just as long as he looks like a winner. And so they have his number and they know how to use his desire for a quick hit

to their advantage and our disadvantage. And that's going to be a problem on a whole host of fronts, and there already is. And I think you saw this, as you said, in the tariff discussion with China, we don't really have a trade deal. This idea that it's a deal. We have a problem economically with China. They always practice economic coercion, and they're doing it on critical minerals now against the United States, just like they did in 2010 against Japan.

Two, they're aggressively involved in intellectual property theft and stealing of ideas, as you saw with Google on around AI about a year ago. They involve themselves with economic espionage and their aggressive mercantilists using their

Very little domestic demand, massive manufacturing, underwriting, cheap exports so they could destroy another country's steel or another country's autos or another country's tech, you know, toy business, garment industry, etc. And all that is in place. President's done nothing.

And he because of his impulsiveness and he said it in his own little tweet, this will be decided between Xi and I. We're going to agree to it. He wanted to look like a strong man in his desire to curry favor with Xi. And they're laughing all the way in Beijing. We didn't get we didn't get anything on economic coercion. We're going to be continue to be a victim of it because China said, oh, we're not giving you critical minerals. We're going to do it every six months. Magnets.

Two, we've had no impact on their intellectual property theft, no impact on their mercantilism, no impact on their economic espionage. And all our allies are watching how China, in my view, cleaned our clock. And there was a story today, and I'll just stop here, where everybody who's applying to get these now magnets out of China are saying they're asking incredibly detailed questions

reports as you submit your application about who the end user is, how you're using them, what do you want. And that's another form of economic espionage. And it's all left in place. These guys are the worst negotiators because all they wanted to produce was a press release, not an economic plan. To your point also, because he wants to project

Being a strong man while actually also being very weak and damaging to this country here on the domestic front. And we've seen over the past week.

Many thought was unthinkable. I want to get your thoughts on it with Trump federalizing the National Guard, calling the Marines as well. By the way, not paying the National Guard, not activating their health care, because once again, he did it in such a mess. We learned that from military.com. They're sleeping on the floor. They're guarding a federal building. The chief of L.A. or the

Yeah, the LAPD chief and the L.A. Sheriff's Department are saying we don't even know why they're here or really what they're even doing. We have to shift our resources basically to to watch them now. So you have that taking place, by the way, more troops now in Los Angeles than in Iraq and Syria and probably a lot of other countries abroad.

And then you have this dictator parade that Donald Trump is holding for himself this weekend on the 250th anniversary of the army, making it about himself. I know you must have strong thoughts about all of that. So let me start on the back end. I think it's very telling and really wrong on so many levels. Here you have the 250 year anniversary of the United States Army. General Washington.

General Grant, General Eisenhower, just to name three who became presidents, Omar Bradley, Patton, and I'm leaving many, many others out that, but you get the point. And rather making it about those individuals and everybody who makes up that 250 year family of service to the country, to the constitution and to the ideals of the United States.

Donald Trump's decided to make it about the most important person in his view, Donald Trump. He has he's literally sabotaged this part of this anniversary where America could remember what are what the army has served, not only about serving your country, but serving its ideals. And I think it's telling on also the anniversary, although it's a different branch of the armed forces with the Marines.

that he is also breaking precedent by using the armed forces on American soil. And so I think it's that last point is incredibly telling that Donald Trump's ego is

rather than being selfless as the president of the United States and the commander in chief, holding up the army and what it has done through generation to generation to generation, chapter after chapter of American history in service of something bigger. He's made it about himself. And to me, that tells you the story of Donald Trump, but it doesn't tell you the story of America. And that story still has to be told and reminded.

Second, I think what's going on, I have like a hundred things about L.A. You know, you're not, I'll just start in the back end. You're not going to solve the issue or the challenge of immigration on the streets of Los Angeles, Chicago, Spokane, Washington, or Seattle or New York. We're going to solve it in the halls of Congress. And the one thing the president has refused to do is engage Congress on how to resolve this. Now, 1988, Ronald Reagan signs immigration act.

By the time Bill Clinton comes along, also a little Bush 41, but every president since Bill Clinton has tried to figure out, because immigration has changed, how to handle both being true to the fact that America is a nation of laws and America is a nation of immigrants. Those are the guiding principles. Bill Clinton deported criminal immigrants or immigrants with criminal records.

We as somebody as a point person, we had Operation Gatekeeper in San Diego, Operation Safeguard in Nogales, Arizona, of how to strengthen the border. George Bush had his own manifestations. President Obama created DACA for DREAMers, but he also was protesting when he was seen as the deporter in chief at public events. He was protested. So he was tough also about illegal immigrants, etc.,

And everybody's trying to figure out how to manage through the fact that we don't have an immigration process around illegal and around legal. And the irony of this to me is as a student of the politics around immigration reform, as somebody through my mayoral tenure, chief of staff, Congress, and down to President Clinton's senior advisor, today, Democrats are much closer to Republicans than

on how to confront illegal immigration and the border than they have been in the last 15 years since Ted Kennedy and John McCain had a bipartisan bill in the Senate. And truth be told, you can see it because Steve Bannon attacked Elon Musk about this, etc. There are strong elements. And even the president says this. We need to update our legal immigration. So they, the Republicans, if you may say, have moved closer

to where I think there's a consensus on how to modernize our legal immigration. And leadership would be the president calling everybody down and say, okay, here's the principles. Let's go deal with this and answer this. What does the president do? They were in search of a confrontation. They wanted this confrontation in L.A. And that's not an immigration policy for the United States.

both one that honors the fact that we're a nation of laws and we're a nation of immigrants, is going to be found in the halls of Congress. Presidents have contorted themselves trying to figure this out and never really getting legislation. Governors are doing it. You can see with Governor Abbott. You can see with Governor Newsom. You can see it with my governor here, Pritzker. Cities have contorted themselves with welcoming sanctuary facilities type that. Everybody's trying to work around a broken system. Fix it.

Today I saw a story. President said that he wants to deal, take kind of the foot off the gas because businesses are complaining that they can't find immigrants to do the work that they need them for. They have a labor problem. Well, that was known before we did this in Los Angeles. And, you know, and I'll just say in Los Angeles, you ever protesting in America history is patriotic. Provocation violence is not. You should be arrested and the law will follow. Find you.

and prosecute for that. But a government also has a responsibility, and that is to protect speech and not to provoke. The idea that we're calling out Marines and the National Guard in ways that are not only unprecedented, the court will decide, at least as the National Guard, whether it's still legal, is insane when it's not about ruling. Engage Congress, and it's about governing.

Something he's never done. This can't be done by executive order. We've talked about the foreign. We've talked about the domestic in the present. Now let's talk about where we go. What's what's your plan? How do you see we address this? How do you see is this a vision for the future?

When you say this, you mean immigration or in large where America is and et cetera? In large part where we are today, you know, both foreign policy, domestic and where we go more broadly. Well, let me just start on a kind of a look in the takeaway from this moment, but step back and take a wider lens view. Our politics becomes unstable.

And exactly around the same moment, the American dream becomes unaffordable. They're interlocked. And when exactly when the public both not only loses confidence that they can have access to the American dream, but that the system is rigged. All they want is a shot at the American dream. They want their children to have a shot at the American dream. Owning a home, saving for your retirement, your kids' education, and the ability to afford your health care.

The system and the public's right about this is rigged. My kids are going to be fine, but that's not how you score this. That's not how we keep score. Whether your kids or my kids are going to be fine. That's whether the American dream is open to the American people, not open to a segment of the American people. And it's crazy. The ability to get a home first time homebuyers. You have people that were at the president's inaugural. I would put myself. I wasn't at the inaugural.

I have Amy and I have more than one home, but we have people in America that can't get access and afford a single home. That's crazy. The system's not written like that. I grew up in a home. My dad was a doctor. My mother was a nurse. When you said a second medical opinion, it was another health care professional. Was it some insurance bureaucrat that tell you you can't have that procedure? You can't have that medication?

that you have to go to bankruptcy for that. And people are using their 401k to backstop their paycheck rather than save for their retirement. And this is crazy. So to me, the American dream is unaffordable. It's inaccessible to the American people. And that's unacceptable to me. And you're going to work like a dog to solve that. And that means if you work for a living, you're going to finally have a government that works for you. That's our pledge. Second, I'm passionate about this.

But that education, and I've kind of laid out, you know, you can't, if you, I don't mean to get theoretical or historical, every great period of American growth is anchored by education. Every period. Making high school universal. You can see the growth in American economy. The GI Bill, growth in the American economy. I mean, land-grant colleges under Lincoln, growth. Every great period of economic expansion in American history is anchored

by making education more universal, more acceptable. We have a crisis in this country. We have a 30-year low in reading scores, 30-year low in math scores. COVID was devastating, horrible what was happening and permitted to happen by adults. I've laid out what I think, what I call ART, attendance for ART.

We have what used to be single digits, 3, 4, 5% absentees over a year. Kids are now running 18, 19, and 20%. We should have a national standard. If your absence is greater than 5%, you can't go to the next grade. We need to reestablish the standard. Be in school. Not at home. That's A. R. Reading. Mississippi.

There's a thing called the Mississippi Miracle. They just went back to the basics. More time on reading, back to the basics of how to do it. None of this new kind of stuff that got everybody sidetracked. And Mississippi's showing incredible gains in reading starting in 2010 and among the most difficult communities. Poor kids.

Black males, they're showing incredible growth, surpassing national numbers. And then T for truth, which is B, go back to testing and letting parents and schools know how those kids are doing and reading math, et cetera, against national standards. Not educating to the test, but having data so you know where you are and what you have to do to improve. Art, attendance, reading, truth.

And that to me would recalibrate now education back to the fundamentals. And then third, I would say overseas, the United States needs to modernize its relationship with its allies and friends. You're not going to confront Russia, China, Iran,

without allies, and more importantly, just allies, allies picking their weight with a clear path to the strategy and the relationship between both security, defense spending, and diplomacy. And America, I still believe, is an essential country that others want to follow, be partnered with, et cetera. And then when I think both about my experience in both the Middle East and

but also in Asia, you're not going to deter China from California. You're going to deter it because not only are resources in Japan, which is the largest military footprint the United States has overseas, or Korea or Australia, you're going to deter it because of our forces anchored with other countries' forces that want to be a part of it. And that has a deterrent level, as does the diplomatic efforts we do in the economic coordination.

And to me, that's kind of how I view it. And if we strengthen ourselves at home, we will be incredibly strong abroad. It's one of the things, you know, I say from my time in Japan, I learned a lot about Japan, learned a lot about the Indo-Pacific. But being away from America, I learned a lot about what's special about our country and how many other countries and publics see America as their benchmark and want to be associated with it. And that is an incredible thing.

resource to draw. I think that's what makes this time also very challenging when you see America, which used to be the benchmark being viewed differently. But Ram, I want you to come back. I want to talk about, uh, sure. There's going to be a lot of developments coming up every single day. We love having you on. Thank you so much. Once again. Oh, thank you. Everybody hit subscribe. Let's get to 5 million subscribers this week.

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