#741 - Dr Joe Dispenza - How To Unlock Your Mind & Master Your Life
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Hello, friends, welcome back to the show. My yesterday is doctor joe dispenser. He's a researcher and an author specializing in neuroscience, unknown for his work on europe, plasticity and epigenetics.

If your thoughts can make you sick, the obvious question is whether your thoughts can make you well, just how instrumental are the things we think to the way on mind and body Operate, and how much of this is crossing over from experimental subculture into legitimate expect to learn how to make genuine change in your life, why we get addicted to negative thoughts, the wild new studies showing the effect of joes work, how to get more comfortable facing the unknown, the many ways are memories lie to us, how to stop being a victim of life, the most powerful techniques you can use to self regulate and much more. So many wild insights coming out of joes work and very interesting to hear him start to validate these with genuine, legitimate a science and research. I think that the next few years, you can expect to see an awful lot more of this stuff.

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But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome doctor joe dispenser.

How do you describe what you do?

Um I think we are teach people the neuroscience in the biology of change. And the principal is just really simple. If you change, your life changes and nothing changes in our life until we change.

So one of the things that people come up against is why is IT so hard to change? So we've kindly come down through a lot of research, uh, a simple formula to help people to make transformations first in themselves and then and then the relies. And so we give people knowledge and information, and we use science as that language that to meet information.

And we combine uh, quantum physics with neuroscience and no antonio gy and psycho and analogy and epigenetics and electromagnetics m and help people understand information that philosophical that's theoretical. And when you learn information, you make new connections in your brain. That's what learning is.

But if you don't review IT and if you don't repeat IT, you don't think about IT. Those circuits tune within hours or days. So we run these courses, these events that are typically seven days words, fully immerse ing yourself in, in this process of transformation, give people the information, its philosophical, theoretical, have them understand that they have to be present with IT.

Now turn to someone and teach you back to them what you've learned, nerve cells that fire together, wired together. So then in time, you begin to installed the neurological hardware in your brain in preparation for the experience. And more you understand what you're doing, the more you understand why you're doing.

IT the how gets easier because you can assign meaning to the task and get a greater outcome. If you can explain that is not wired in your brain, right? So it's so much easy to forget the information then remembered and just takes repetition and attention um to get the circuitry in place.

And once you understand what and why, we set up the conditions in the environment to give people the proper instruction. And when you apply IT, when you personalize IT, when you demonstrate IT, when you initiate that knowledge and you get your behaviors to match your intentions and negative actions equal your thoughts, you remind somebody working together. You have an experienced, no experience really, in which is circuitry in the brain.

And when those neurons organized and tin networks even further, the brain makes a chemical that's called a feeling or emotion. So now, when you feel abundant, when you feel successful, you feel unlimited, you feel whole. And the experience is teaching the body chemically to understand what the mind is intellection understood.

So now the information is not in the brain anymore. The information is now in the body, and the person is embodying the truth of that philosopher, right? And somehow there is biological changes that take place as a result of IT.

The question is, okay, if you've done IT once, you should be able to repeat the experience. And so if people go through a seven day emerge and they keep repeating the experience, they begin to neurochemicals condition their mind and body to begin to work together. And when you've done something so many times that your body now know how to do a bit in your conscious mind, now what's a ain you you've become the knowledge it's a subconscious program.

It's it's who you are. So we teach people to go from that kind of philosophical theoretical um knowledge to the application uh to initiate IT to to ultimate wise about why they doing IT. And so we study the neuroscience and biology and we work with the university of california, santiago and we publish papers and we do extensive of research. I really to dismiss fy the process. Why is IT so hard .

to make genuine change happen in our lives? People want to change yeah to do different things. Why is so hard?

Um um I think the biggest uh, difficulty and changes is making a different choice. I think about the new year's resolutions, everybody is very clear about what their intention is, what they want, what whatever that is.

But if you keep making the same choices, you're onna keep doing the same things, you're going to keep creating the same experiences, if you're going to keep feeling the same emotions in your biology, your neurosis, citi in your chemistry, your harmons and even your gene expressions gona stay the same because you're the same, but keep thinking the same way and keep acting the same way, keep feeling the same way into IT, over and over again. Those circuits in the brain ultimately become hardwired, and the emotions that are response to someone or something, even your own thoughts, get conditioned subconsciously, uh, as a programming of the body. So ninety five percent of who we are by the middle of our life is an unconscious set of thoughts, behaviors and emotions that are automatically programmed into our biology.

So, so the first step to change is not thinking positive. Ly, you, you have to become conscious of those unconscious thoughts when you decide to make a different choice. And IT doesn't feel familiar.

The thought that says, start tomorrow. It's too hard. Just do IT anyway had make that choice, do the same thing.

You're not good enough. You'll never change. You're too much like your parents a failed last time. You have to be able become so conscious of those unconscious thoughts that you would never go unconscious to that thought ever again and that's change.

You'd have to catch yourself how you speak and how you act if you if you want to be happy in your blaming and your complaining in your feeling software yourself and and and you're judging everyone um those behaviors are not going to make you happy. They are actually going to make you unhappy. So you got to become so conscious of those unconscious habitations that you wouldn't unconscious and behave that way.

And then of course, you gotto look at those emotions that are pretty much chemical residue from the past um and decide, does this lack, does this suffering? Does this pain belonged my future? And uh, that process of becoming so conscious that we don't go unconscious is the process of change.

And how many times we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering that the moment of change, so the hard part about changes, when you decide to make a different choice, get ready. It's going to feel uncomfortable if there is gonna uncertainty, you know, could be predict the next moment it's gonna feel unfamiliar or so if the body has been condition to be the mind, then the service is the master. So the body starts sending information back to the brain to think a certain thoughts, so that you make the same choice, that you do the same thing, you create comfortable.

This is famine.

I'll get back to the same feeling of suffering. All that feels so much Better than the uncertainty of the unknown uh, so so going from the old self to the new self and crossing that river literally is a theological to biological, is a chemical, is a harmon's, a gene death of the itself. That's the phoenix lighting itself on fire.

And and most people would rather clean a to that familiar place and then take a chance and possibility that that void, that vacuum actually is the perfect place to create. And we discovered this, that that the brain change is the most. When you get to that point where you think you can go any further and you want to quit if you go past that point, that is the unknown.

Now, the unknown has always been in wired, in our biology, that the uncertainty of the unknown is always a scary place. Is that a tiger in the bushes or that just a shadow? You know, so so the unknown becomes a very scary place when we're living in survival.

So a most people never take that chance in possibility. But if a person is actually taught how to execute in the known, and there's nothing scary there, and they can apply the same principal and say, what thoughts do I want? A fire and wired my brain.

And a belief is just the thought you keep thinking over and over again. So what is the voice in my head that I want to program my brain into thinking, believing? What behaviors am I gonna monstre ted in my life?

If i'm gonna not behave this way, around this person, around the circumstance, and I want to behave a different way, let me rehearse in my mind, close my eyes and get really clear on how i'm gonna respond to behave in this circumstance, in the active mental rehearsal. Literally, gross circuits in the brain. Now your brain is looking like you've already done IT.

Your, your, your brain is no longer a record. The past is, it's been conditioned and mapped into the futures. Now you have the circuitry in place. So if you keep practicing that the hardware becomes more automatic and becomes more of a software programme and you start behaving that way. And then the biggest chAllenge then is, okay, i'm not going to feel suffering and i'm not going to feel pain, and i'm not going to feel judgment, but I want to feel grateful for my life.

Can I teach my body emotionally what my future will feel like before that happens? So once you start conditioning your body to an elevated emotion, we tend to see that a heart center emotions tend to be the ones that produce the most dramatic changes in our biology and the body. So objective IT really doesn't know the difference between the real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that you are creating by thought alone.

Um nobody starts getting lifted in a lot of ways so keep thinking differently, keep acting differently, keep feeling differently and that your personality then your personal reality begins to change and and and behead people who cross that river. Uh there's new opportunities, there's new experiences, um there's new events that take place in their life. So that's what we teach.

So is the issue that people, when they won't change, they don't change deeply enough. They're just looking at, well, if I do this particular new physical habit that will be able to change things. But the underlying currents that are driving that behavior are always going to come in and then take over despite the fact that you don't know eat sugar anymore or you want to be more polite with your partner or you want to be more it's to surface level with a lot of the change that tries to be attempted.

Yeah I think I think that people um unfortunately, I have to get not to our lowest levels. Sometimes you know um where you're no longer inside the jar. When you're inside the jar, you can read the label.

You you got ta hit so uncomfortable that you could actually see yourself, right? And so that tragedy, that that that crisis, that disease, the diagnosis, the loss is going to be so severe that you finally look at yourself and say, maybe it's me, oh my god, could be possible vely be me. But you're looking at yourself kind of through the eyes of someone else because you don't feel like you in that moment.

You're so uncomfortable that you can see yourself that that concept is called meta cognition, right? so. So a lot of times people wait for that crisis or the diagnosis or the betrayal to go, oh my god, I I gotten really change because i'm really unhappy or I can't believe that person or my past of my circumstances.

I and thing's working here. I got really start making those changes. So so when they see themselves separate from their program, they're becoming conscious of their own conscious self.

Um that is the first step to change. Now I say you can learn and change in a state of pain and suffering which most people like to do. Or you can learn to change the state of joint inspiration.

right? So could you be defined by the vision, a vision of the future? And could you get up from your your morning practice, actually believing in your future more than your believing in your past?

So from that elevated state where you combine a clear intention with an elevated emotion from an elevated state instead of a self limiting state, you can be conscious of that old self as well. And so I think I think got what a great time in history to be alive, because this is a time in history where it's not enough to know. This is really a time in history to know how.

And i've been at this long enough, Chris, to know that twenty years ago, people didn't hear IT like they hear IT. Now the information is readily available and people are realized and kind of if I have this dream, if I have this school, how bad do I want IT and if they really want IT um and we've all done this, you sit down and say what would be like to be super healthy, super healthy, super and love, super mystical. And we know transiently whatever IT is like you asked that question in your brain.

It's really creative, starts combining circuits in new ways. And you start getting this vision of the future, this possibility that you actually put yourself in this future reality IT becomes so real that you start to feel the emotion as if you are actually there. And so that moment when you come out of your resting state, that strongly emotion you feel when you hold that vision, the more you will remember that vision that's that's creating a memory.

So the person comes out with a resting state, they make a decision with such firm intention that the amenities of that decision Carries a level of energy that causes their body to respond to their mind. That's their choice that they're making in that moment becomes a moment and time that they would never forget. They'll say to you, I remember the moment I made up my mind, the change I was in this place, I was with these people.

I was this this particular a time that that the event is a long term memory and theyve come out of the resting state. And we could say that they're giving their body a taste to the future emotionally, and somehow they begin to in body, whatever that future is. And now they begin to move in a different direction.

And so they're start trusting in the future more because they feel like they are connected to IT. So then the person who's really interested in making a change would have to come to that same state again in order to produce the same effect. If they say I don't feel like IT or I want to be nice or whatever, it's there's nothing really at stake.

You know intention is really meaning you've got to have you got to have a meaning behind what you're doing. So people who who now say I want a Better life, I can have a Better life unless I change. Yeah and when I change, my life will change. Now you're not so interested in what's happening out there. You're more interested what's going on side .

of you to go from any state that we're in no to a new state. That transformation process requires stepping from known to unknown.

no. How can people get more comfortable .

with stepping into the unknown? And why is this such a scary place?

Lets see if I can explain this two levels. The brain is a record of the past. The brain is reflection of everything in your environment that's known to you.

It's an artifact. It's a repository of everything you've learned. An experience in your life is a memory bank. And so people wake up in the morning in every person, every object, every thing, every place, every experience that y've had in their life is map neurologically in their brain.

So they wake up in the morning in, the first thing they do is they think about those problems. And those problems are memories that are really tattoo de in the recesses of the grain matter. And the moment they start remembering the problem, they start remembering the past, they, they're thinking in the past, every one of those experiences or problems has an emotion associated im.

So the moment they think of the past and they start feeling unhappy or anxious, other bodies in the past faults to the language of the brain, feelings of the language, the body thoughtthe feeling in imaging emotion, a stimulus response in your condition, the body emotionally into the familiar past and the body. So objective, as I said, doesn't know the difference in the real life experience, in the one that you're imagining. The bodies actually believing is living in the environment where that problems actually existing in the present moment.

So that becomes the familiar past, and we call that the noon. Then people get up, and then they rushed through a series of automatic routine behaviors, run automatic pilot because they do the same thing today as they did yesterday. And a habit is a redundant inset of automatic unconscious thoughts, behaviors and emotions that acquired through repetition.

So now the person is in a situation of program and their bodies dragging them into the same predictable future based on what they didn't pass. In other words, we can take yesterday and set IT on there tomorrow. There is going to be a lot of predict tables.

So if you can predict something, then that's the known too. So the familiar past is unknown, the predictable future. There's only one place left where the unknown exist.

And that's the sweet spot of the generous present moment. And so we teach people had to master the moment how to master their attention. Where you place your attention is where you place your energy and and paying attention is being present.

And you know, when someone's paying attention to you because they're present with you, and you know when the present with you because you're paying attention to IT was exactly thing. So you're sitting with your eyes closed. You started thinking, how long going to go? I got a lot of things to do gotta ta think about that place i've got to go to and meet that person.

I've got another meeting over there. And now your brain is actually defaulting and going to that predict the future. We discovered that you're not a bad meditator actually at all.

This is actually how you do meditate. You become conscious that you've gone unconscious in a predictable future and return your attention back to the present moment. That's a Victory.

okay. So then your body says it's been um about an hour. You usually get pretty judge mental around this time.

You get in traffic, you get really angry, and you're sitting in a meditation, and all the sudden you start feeling aroused and and patient and frustrated. And people, most people think all well. That means I can't meditate.

Well, actually, your body's used to being stimulated from something outside of itself. You settled the body back down into the present moment, and you tell is no longer the mind. You're the mind.

Do this enough times and train the body to be in the present moment, to be in the unknown, a common moment where the body is no longer the mind, the servants no longer the master, you're the mind. And when that occurs, there is a tremendous liberation of energy that takes place in the body. The bodies going from particle to wave, it's going from matter, energy, the body's being freed from the chains of the past, of the predictable future.

And we discovered energy actually kind of moves right into a person's heart, and they start feeling really grateful to be in the present moment instead of being in the unknown and and trying to predict the next moment. So it's a practice. And if you practice IT on a regular basis, we discovered you can get really good at being in the unknown and going against thousands of years of programing that says the unknown is a dangerous and a scary place.

There is Better chances of survival if you run from the unknown than you embrace itself. You put the person that keep relaxing into the unknown, and sooner later, they realized nothing bad is happening in the unknown and they just start relaxing, expanding. And there's a just a host of biological changes that begin to take place. So I think I think you can make that a skill or a habit.

How do people become addicted to their own thoughts? IT seems like there is this degree familiarity with what we used to here. But there would be a question, if these thoughts are negative, if that negative emotions, if they tormenting me, if they're making me feel bad, why would I continue to just be my own tortured? Yeah, twenty four hours a day.

Well, an addiction is something that you think you can stop. An addiction is when you know something is not good for you, and you tend to choose and do IT anyway, right?

So turns out that living in stress is living in survival and when you perceive a threat or a danger, or you perceive something that's potentially gonna worse in your life for um you can control or predict something in your life, you switch on that primitive nervous system called the fighter fight nervous system. And it's creating a lot of chemicals to get you awake. It's getting you ready.

It's it's wanting you to perform. And but if he gets, there's too much the rush of that. A genuine is uh is is like A A search of energy.

It's an rouser. And people get addicted to that rush of energy. So they use the problems, they use the conditions, the stories of the past in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion.

So, so they need a bad job. They need a bad relationship. They need the chAllenging conditions in their life. Could IT makes them feel something right? So okay, so when you're living in stress, stress is when you're brain and body, you're knocked out of homeostasis stresses. When your brain body, you're knocked at a baLance.

So the moment you react to someone or something in your life, and you switch on that system of our sal and it's an emergency system, your body moves completely at a baLanced, it's mobilizing all of its energy for some threat, real or imagined. Okay, the problem with human beings is for zebra or for gaza. Wef if IT out runs the lion, IT goes back.

Degrading the event is over in the stress is short term, but if is a constant exposure to stress ers in your life. What becomes once was more adaptive. Adaptive becomes very more adaptive.

Because when you turn on that trust response and you can turn that off, now you're headed for disease because your bodies constantly eaa meal stacie imbaLance. So, okay, so the event is over and someone betrayed you or you lost your job or you got fired in the case of thinking about IT. So every time you think about that problem, you're turning on the stressed response just, I thought alone.

So if the harmonies of stress are addictive and you can turn on the stress response, just, I thought alone, you can become addicted to your own thought. And if you, and if you have to keep talking about those problems to get the rush of general, your thoughts can knock you out of baLance as well. And is a scientific fact that the long term effects of the harmonies of stress push the genetic buttons that create disease, which means your thoughts could literally make you sick. So then, if your thoughts can make you sick, that the fundamental question is, can your thoughts make you well? And that's what were, you know interested in .

covering talk to me about stepping into that loop, that addictive loop of the negative thoughts um yes .

so every time I have thought you make a chemical and if you have happy thought or think of something happy, you turn on a set of neurological networks in your brain that fire on a sequence of pattern, a combination that signals another part of the brain. The brain makes another chemical that's A A chemical messenger that makes you feel a certain way as you to create a certain harmon.

Okay, the moment you start to feel happy, the moment you start to feel joyful, your brain is checking in with your eyes. And Chris, your feeling pretty joyful. And so then the chemistry influenced you to think more wonderful thoughts.

And so the cycle of thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking creates what we call the state of being okay, but you could have thoughts that make you feel guilty, and you can turn on a different set of circuits in your brain that signal a different batch of neuropathy, that signal a different harmon al center, to make you feel differently. The moment you feel miserable, the moment you feel victimized, the moment you feel suffering, the and you feel pain. And you can think greater than how you feel the brains checking with the body saying you're really miserable.

And that generates more corresponding thoughts equal to that feeling. So it's thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking. This loop of thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking creates a state of being.

And again, the thought in the feeling, the image and the emotion, the stimulus response is making the body become conditioned subconsciously into the past. And so now the person has to feel that same motion to reaffirm their identity. So that becomes the state of being. And now they behave as if they're in their past and they think as if they're in their past.

What way store memories lie to us?

Well, well, everybody has a story, right? And and the way we make memories is from options. So if you haven't event in your life that's highly traumatic, just says an example.

The moment you perceive that event in your life through your senses, the the chemical information that's coming back as information to your body is selling you to be altered. So once you begin to change your internal state, the greater to change in your internal state from its Normal continuity. The more the brain freezes a frame and takes a snapshot, and that's called the long term memory.

So then the person thinks neurologically within the circuit of that experience, and they feel within the boundaries of the emotions of that experience. Every time they review the event in their mind, they're producing the same chemistry and the brain body as if the event was occurring. So again, the bodies reliving the trauma fifty, two hundred times in the day, and now the the trauma is no longer, and the brain, the trauma is emotionally condition in the body, right?

So if you say to the person, why are you so bitter? Why are you so sad? Why are you so unhappy? They'll say, I am this way because of this event that happened to me ten years ago, which was a really saying, is after that event, I changed and I have not been able to change since this event.

While the research on memory says that if you ask that person that story of the actual account, fifty percent of that story is no longer the truth. In other words, they're embellishing the story so they can excuse themselves. Are making IT worse or making the conditions worse.

You're telling the story. They're embrey shing at the some degree to excuse themselves from changing, right? If fifty percent of that story isn't even the truth or reliving a miserable life, they never even had all to reaffirm the addiction to that emotional states.

So here, here, here's a crazy part, because we work with, we work with veterans and navy seals and and can you then forget about the memory and just overcome the emotion? Because the memory without the emotional charges called wisdom, and now you no longer belong to the past, you're ready to create a new future. And so the stories we tell about our past are only stories we tell when we feel those emotions.

We wouldn't ever tell that story when we feel a different emotion. why? Because because persons telling the feeling that emotion and that emotion is the record of the memory chemically.

So they're telling the story because they can't think greater than that feeling. Feelings have become the means of thinking. But what if you told a different story? And that's exactly what we teach people to do.

Stop romance your past. Start romantic your future. Stop telling the story of your past.

Start telling the story of your future. Stop believing in your past. Start believing in the future.

In in that process is an unlearning in a relearning process is literally breaking the habit of being yourself and reinventing a new self. It's it's pruning synaptic connections. It's brought new connections.

It's unfirm. It's unwire. It's required. It's rewiring. It's d programing. It's reprogramme. It's losing your mind in creating a new one. It's unmemorable zing emotions that are stored in the body, then reconditioning the body to a new mind and to a new emotion.

And so what happens in this immersive experience when we do our week along events is we take the person right to that point of our emotion where they say, um, I GTA go. This is too uncomfortable. And we we don't want them to White nuckles there.

We give them something to do. And if they practice that formula and they keep lowing the volume to that emotion, sooner later the body becomes liberated. They're stepping out into the unknown. And we've seen people who have had the most brutal, the most horrific, the most difficult path.

Um now look back at the past and say, I would I would never want to change one thing in my past because I got me to this moment and that's the moment the personal longer exist. They look at their betrayers, they look at their abusers and they see the, they see the purpose for good in the meaning behind all of that. That had happened because I would have never brought them to this moment. I I think that's the moment the past no longer exists.

What is one of your favourite stories of somebody who's been locked into one of these loops for a little while?

Um gosh there's there's so many of them. Um we just had A A woman on the stage um dallas and I watched this woman come to the event months before this event in dallas was an advanced follow up but he had done the week long seven day retreat and he was indulged in SHE was sitting um outside SHE was in denver.

SHE was sitting in the in the front away from the the the audience under a screen, you know onto the the screens and SHE he was in A A lounge and he had a wheelchair and he had a scar uh and SHE had oxygen and he had crushes uh and he was kind of camped out in that area there and he had about five different uh serious health conditions and and at the end of uh, of course he couldn't uh get up, uh, get out of get off the couch if he went to the bathroom. Uh uh he was done for the day in terms of her man of her energy SHE had he was living on six foods SHE was on all kinds of medications and couldn't think greater than how he felt, right? So if you see a person like that, you think there's really not a whole lot of hope, uh, for this person.

And yet um SHE began to learn the information and began to practice the information for the entire week um and at the end of the seven day event we were doing a walking meditation as a group outside and uh I saw her out of a wheelchair smiling and walking and they sent me her testimonial uh and I read the whole thing and then when he was in dallas, um SHE came to the events follow up and they brought back stage to tell me the story. He told me the story and IT wasn't till SHE got on the stage that I realized that that was the woman that was in denver because he did not look like the same person SHE SHE looked like a completely a completely different person SHE has none of those health conditions any longer. Um she's doing all the things he was doing before SHE had them and and SHE SHE broke out you know he had her moment uh and when SHE changed .

um her biological to a lot of people that sounds fantastical IT IT sounds almost unbelievable IT is unbelievable .

IT really is unbelievable. I mean, I have difficulty believing some of the things in terms of testing testimony and transformations we've witness. I mean, I I, I have watched certain testimonials of people giving their accounts of all kinds of crazy changes in their health conditions, like a, like a muscular destripes.

Like, I mean, i've never seen a case of that reversed. I, I, I know that it's a degenerate condition. And yet this guy left the event walking in, and he was in a wheelchair when he came.

And I watched that testimonial. I must have washed at one hundred times. I washed one hundred times because I couldn't believe IT.

I couldn't believe that this guy was standing and and I could not I could not stop looking at the joy on his face and the excitement and the enthusiasm he had for life. IT was so real and so authentic. I couldn't I couldn't believe IT.

And so it's it's, it's difficult to believe this. I have difficulty believing IT in in a lot, a lot of times, but there's nothing like a good story because that person who's standing on the stage is telling their story is a four minute mile. They're breaking through some level of consciousness or unconsciousness.

And they're the example of truth, the examples es is the truth of the collective and the collective who's listening to the story of transformation. And there are seeing that the person doesn't look vacant and doesn't look Peter jens and doesn't look Young and of looks like a Normal person. Uh in that person is seeing they they came blind, they're hearing because they were best on that stage for cancer.

They don't have IT. Invariably someone in the audience are going to look at them and say other no different than me. If they can do that, I can do IT.

And that that that now is information for the collective to believe in a greater level of possibility. And and I think that but that's exactly how IT becomes infectious ous as health and wellness IT becomes as as infectious ous as disease. We see this set of events all the time.

So yes, IT is unbelievable. And I have to catch myself. You tell me pick one. I think of what half of these ones I would tell you, most people wouldn't believe because they're unbelievable. But we have a lot of those.

We have a huge research team has been collecting, I think I had five hundred billion pieces of data in one for another. Given the fact that these outcomes that you're talking about are so unbelievable, are you having to work additionally hard, be additionally rigorous ous when IT comes to the science in order to dispell any accusations of the super science stuff?

Gosh, with great conversation. Thanks for asking the question. Um the whole reason that I started measuring and we've been measuring for a long time now um was because when I saw someone with M S.

In a wheelchair come to the event in a wheeled chair and walk out without one. I said, we got to start measuring. I mean, what is happening in that person's brain? What is happening in their body, what's happening in their biology, what's happening on a cellar level, what's as their information in their blood?

What's happened to their immune system and we we started you know gathering you know um a lot of data. I mean we have where you over five hundred billion data points that's usually just wanted to studies. And and so when we started partnering with the university califonia a santiago, I simply said to those scientists, okay, same thoughts, same choices, same behaviors, same experiences, same emotions.

That's the known same biology sounds right. New thoughts, new choices, new behaviors, new experiences, new emotions, new biology. Possibly that's a good hypothesis. You won't .

measure IT.

So we've measured so many things in the human body that says that you can change your brain to work way Better in four days, you can make your heart way Better, you can express new genes. You could release thousands of metabolizes of thousands and thousands of metabolising seven days that promote growth and repair in your body.

Um we find information in meditators blood that has a resistance to viruses, all kinds of viruses, even one with Spikes. Um that the information advanced meditators blood somehow diminishes my country of. Function in cancer cells that's the that's the energy in the cell not a little bit but seventy percent which is dramatic.

Cancer cells love to multiply, move and they have a new energy um they don't only live as long uh there's information in the blood of advanced uh that somehow doone regulates the genes for alzheimer. Uh we're finding uh robust amounts of and augener opiates that reduce pain. Across the board we measured sixty three different health are conditions to sixty three different diseases, all different diseases.

One on intervention and um the majority of those people have a significant reduction in pain and a very elevated level of endogenous esop ates in in their bloodstream in natural pain relieves natural chemicals that make you feel good. Uh and and so we just we've explore the microbiome. We've see that you can change your microbes ome in seven days to look like a way healthier person without taking a probiotic, without changing your diet, without eliminating anything somehow.

Um the microban b changes dramatically for the Better. And the reason is because they are not the same person longer or a different person. So we've spent the last four years working with the university of california centigrade in doing extensive research on the brain, extensive research uh on heart, a heart measurements, a lot of blood values you're in um everything we measured, we measure saliva, we measure breast milk, we've measured tears. I mean we've measured uh just about everything and .

the these published these results to publish yes.

we have some papers that are published now um we have some papers that are in the review right now. We have about five more papers ah that were getting busy writing, but we have we probably have the largest database in the world on meditation right now.

What are the most .

common criticisms you well. I would say that you know when you see the empirical science um a lot of people um that see the data uh whether we show to reputable universities in in professors or the us or to whoever, I think one of the things that people have the most that there's the most shock and surprises that you never see these type of changes in seven days like drug study.

You don't never see these kind of we're talking about thousands of genes have regulated to suggest the person's living in a completely in different environment, completely different life in in the ballroom, you know. So so when you see the effects change like that in seven days, anybody who's a scientist that has that trained mind, they're gona fall out of their chair because the the the metagenomics so round that is not just one or two people. It's think it's the whole entire group.

So think about IT, fifteen hundred, two thousand, twenty five hundred different people, all different genotypes. Everybody has their own gene sequence. okay? At the end of seven days, seventy seven percent of those people are signaling same genes in making the same proteins. It's kind of a child that means at the flock, the heard, the school, you know, there are everybody's evolving as an emergent consciousness. That's actually everybody's biology is evolving together like, and that's and that's exciting because people change people, not that we discovered.

So when we show the date of the people um and you they see IT um the conversation that we used to have where we'd have to be on the defense has changed dramatically because these are double blind and triple blind placebo studies. These are very, very regress. So so the scientist that sees IT questions the time and then you know drug studies about twenty five percent effective know usually takes um three to six months before you see the f acy turnout.

Our data like somewhere um um between seventy five one hundred percent. So IT shows that that the nervous system is the greatest pharmacist in the world that actually works Better than any drug. So so when when people really begin to see the science in in, and you know, the IT chAllenges their belief, a chAllenge is, I keep tell the scientist, I can't believe this is the truth, like i'm more surprised than anybody.

But I also say to them, where are those chemicals come from? Where are they coming from? The person is not taking obese.

They're not taking anti arsenal there. They're not taking anything to change their biology like this is coming from within them. Um so it's been changing the conversation uh in medicine quite a bit and we're just working on finding the language. But but but people who see the data um are very surprised and they want to know what we're doing on which is which is a different conversation that we've had uh in the past.

Are you doing longitudinal studies? Are you seeing how long the immersive stuff, what what sort of effects does this lock in over time? But people reverting as soon as that out of this very energetic group of people?

What time time? That's a great question. So um that's one of the things about this work and I really, really love in terms of our community. Um it's not like people go of, well, i've got to go meditate today is the morning is not not how our community is like the majority of the people that come to a week long event keep doing the work of the majority of them do because the magic in their life is starting to happen.

And why would you want to a stop um from from having those events, ed, you know, actually take place? So we see that people who heal and the sense kind of crazy and we this was had a lot of people instantaneously have a reversal in health condition from one meditation, from one inward experience. There's an rose that takes place in their nervous system.

They move into these heightened states of gamma brainwave patterns, uh, uh, the person is having an inward experience sets greater than the betrayal of the trauma from the past. And somehow there's a present up great in their biology. Like there is the example.

T now what's gone? Um there is a my scania gravis. Now what's gone? There's a parkinsons IT was there now it's gone and there's a cancer and now it's on there's a definition. Now the person hearing now the blindness the person seeing is like that is like the person comes back and there's an upgrade.

What do you think happening inside of the body? What's going on? okay.

So anyway, we have we finished that that thought and no answer because because it's important asked that question. Those people who have those biological upgrades that are instantaneous um when we measure them three three months down the ros, six months down the road, nine ones down the road, there's there's a sustained change.

They ve got the if they continue to do the right.

no, even if they don't do the practice, they've they got a very good upgrade. Now was certain percent of people that, that haven't upgrade like that, and they go back to the stressful life of the parkinson's returns, the cancer returns because they're back to the same personality again, they're making the same chemistry. Now many of those people continue in that direction.

Other people catch themselves. And they said, if I change this parkinson's once, because my father's in the hospital and i'm emotional reacted, I can change you again and they actually change you again right? So um so um another people who go through that process of breaking the habit of being themselves and becoming reinventing the another person. And it's a it's a constant process of change.

You can't got a super responder with the .

first one connection one moment uh of connection uh like like a brainstorm uh and those people who cross the river of change, they tend to do the work consistently because they want to keep changing. They're not doing their meditations to heal. They're doing the medications to change.

And when they understand when they change, they heal. So it's the process of change that are interested in. So so we have a good percent of people who do the work and after they finish the immersive of experience that sustain those changes. And we have a lot of people that sustain changes, whether they do IT or or they don't do IT. So what's happening in their bias is a great question.

Um see if I can answer this um in a matter away um your sense is plug you into three dimensional reality, right so if I took away your site, if I took away you're hearing and take away your smell, your taste and feeling with your body, you would have no experience of three dimensional reality, but you would still be conscious, you would be conscious of nothing material or physical. You would just be conscious that you're conscious and you would be conscious of nothing in a sense so when a person is immersed in three dimensional reality, um there a new cortex for thinking. Brain is super busy scanning the environment and associating known and and it's got a process, a lot of information that's coming through.

The sense is what is seeing, what is hearing, what is smelling, what is tasting, what feeling and that a lot a lot of information is coming in. The brain's job is to create meaning between your inner world, in your outer world. And if you are a measure, person's brainwaves are pretty much in beta brain wave patterns.

And that means you're conscious, you're awake, and you're aware that you're in a body in space and time. You are aware of your environment in your worth time and that's how we you navigate three dimensional ally. There's no transmitters in the brain that support that.

Okay, if I said you, um you got to do a speech and it's got to be done uh by without any notes. You got about forty five minutes prepare your brain would kind of perk up a little bit and you would I would be a kind of a good stress. You'd have to perform.

You're confident. You'd have to get ready to have to change your state. You d have to think you'd have to and I want to want to talk about I I got to change my state.

You would move in the midrates beta like bob gets a little brighter and you're a little bit more ready in a sense. But when you react in your emotional and your stress in your out of baLance, you go into this very high beta brain with pattern. And that three times as high as low level beta, that's when the brain is in first gear on the freeway.

IT is IT. Is you consuming all of its energy and it's sweeping the environment. And IT shifting is attention from one person to another person, to another problem, to another thing, to another place.

It's trying to forecasts, is trying to predict. And the brain starts firing, very, very disintegrated. Dly starts. It's firing incoherently at of order.

And people have they need a drug or they need a drinker or they need something to take away that kind of state. And and their thoughts are literally driving the brain into higher and higher states of a beta. Their addiction to those thoughts are driving the brain and baLance.

okay? So when you're in that day, you're very narrow focus. Your you're obsessing and on think. That's what what the brain does IT over thinks over and over analyzes.

So if you can change your brain waves from beta to alpha, now your inner world starts becoming more really thing around the world. And in a sensor, you're become more creative. Your brain stops talking to you in your head, you stop analyzing, you start seeing images.

You start seeing pictures. And off a is an imaginary, very creative state. You're still aware of your alter environment, but not so much. okay. So here's the answer to your question. If you can get so relaxed that your body moves on to a light state and it's in a light, rest in your conscious and awake. Now you're in theta and that's a very hip note state.

And when you're in a hypnotic state, you're in a state of trance and you're very suggestible to information in suggested use, your ability to accept information, to believe information, to surrender to IT. And that's what can program a person to do that just about anything, right? So hemato uses when when he is making suggestions, a person who's in theta, the drop between their conscious and the subconscious mind's wide open to information.

Okay, so that makes sense. If you're getting information through your senses in your in fanta, you're in a hippos state. But what if the person's eyes are closed? What if others music feeling the space, they're not eating, they're not taste, they're not smelling, they're not experiencing, they're not feeling, and they're in that room of theta.

And I asked them, instead of the put, they're all of their attention and everything physical and everything material to open their awareness, instead of narrow their focus, broader focus, and put through attention not not on the material, but on the in material, not on the particle, but the wave, not on matter, but on energy. And and and the Adams is ninety nine point nine nine, nine nine percent information and energy. Okay, so having the person focus on nothing, this is the funny part about IT and broaden their focus, if that you can dial down there are thinking in a cortex the data.

They have no experience of their body, no experience with the environment and no experience of time. And the invade or they are still suggested to information, but they're not aware of. They are out our environment, but they're still suggested there's only one other place that information comes from, and that's frequency.

All frequency, radio waves, wifi waves, uh, x rays are all Carry information. So when the person opens their awareness to the wave function, to energy, into information, they pay more attention to that, the less attention to themselves, more connect, more to that, and less to the three dimensional reality. If there's, if there's coherence in the brain, all of a sudden the person has a moment of connection, and the brain goes into a gamma brainwave state.

In gamma now is an arousal. It's super consciousness, but it's not coming from fear. It's not coming from aggression or anger, not coming from paying the arousal ecstasy. A person is making connection.

And and when we measure the amount of gamma that's taking place in the person's brain, three percent a two percent to three percent of population in anything that we're measuring really good, is three standard deviations outside of Normal. Uh, these people are two hundred, three hundred, four hundred, five hundred standard deviations outside of Normal. And she's really great.

Is this on a far?

This is quantitative tive. Eg, and we see the same pattern, the limbic brain, the sea of the automobile nervous system, is functioning a very, very coherent, highly organized, very, very fast frequency of gamma. And I remember, stress is automatic diregus tion, right? This regulation in the automatic nervous and moving at baLance, these high states of gamma is automatic regulation.

Now, the automated ic nurse m controls incorporates every system in the body. And if it's if it's processing and energy in a frequency that fast, every single cell in the body is getting the information and the bodies literally raised in energy and raised in frequency. And that's when you see the incentence eus upgrade that goes on biologically in a person's body. We actually now can predict that when we see a person moving into a certain level of data, we can say, old boy, this is gonna be really good, like really good. And that person um is having a very, very powerful internal experience.

What is the felt sense that somebody will tend to go through during that process, the embodied subjective experience of going through this.

So we have a we have A A scientist that uh studies the language of transformation from the university of central oklahoma， a super a great guy and he's been studying the language of transformation and all the testimonials of all the many of the people who have had these moments. And um the subjective experience is too fault.

Um it's very um thomaz when I mean somatic I mean like they say like every single selling, my body um was vibrating at a faster frequency. I felt the incredible. My felt like I was gonna blow open.

I felt like I was filled with light. We'll give you like something very thematic, like h my god was I felt this in my body and then it's also very emotional. That's the healthy part, but it's not like emotional, like i've never felt love.

I thought I understood love. I thought I ve felt love. I ve never felt love like this.

I felt so connected. I felt so whole, I felt so pure. Um I I felt I was the most familiar, unfamiliar feeling i've ever had. Oh my god, I forgot I forgot that I was that IT was within me, whatever.

Um and then and then the other element is after that they they have a language where they only can use metaphor to describe the unknown experience. They'll say, um ah my heart turned on like an engine. Top of my head blew off.

There was lightning ing coming out of my fingertips they are trying to explain, but they'll say, well, wasn't lightnings really I just felt like this, but I was more like this. So um so the the language uh specialist that has been studying this had his own moment uh at vent with mark island um last september where he connected um I SAT down with him and talk to woman. He could not find the language.

the language guy, the language guy .

could not find the language to explain what the heck happened to anybody. He was totally switched on. So so there's there's a narrow sal that takes place.

There's high game of brain with patterns. It's autonomic regulation. It's very domain is very emotional in and um there people describe IT kind of like a connection.

I wants to talk about fear. Why do you think it's such a pervasive emotion given that we're living in a time which has never been safer than ever before?

Yeah well, I think fear has been very adaptive for us as human beings and me I think know if you if you have a lot of common sense and you're navigating in your life, there are certain things that you you avoid um that I think is healthy and I think there's uh things where are you can predict something or you can control something um and you can get ready um that's the early stage is a fear is you kind of ref up and you get ready.

You're ready to disciple.

you're ready to act you you're ready for something right. And and I think that's healthy um um when it's within a limit and then when he gets to that point where you absolutely have the perception that is going to get worse instead of get Better.

Um that's when the brain goes into these these high states of arouse sel and the rose was really pay a lot of attention to your body, pay a lot of attention to everything in your environment, do not take your attention degree, vigiLance. Yes, that's IT is violence. And and try to predict the worst thing right now that could possibly happen, predict the worst.

Because if you can get ready for the worst and you're ready for anything less than happens, you're going to survive. So the brains actually predicts the worst case scenario. When IT picks that worst case scenario, other body goes into as a heightened state of fear. I in and now in fear though um the condition response that takes place from feeling that emotion is storing that emotion in the body, right?

So now what do you mean when you say storing the emotion in the body?

Um okay. So um fear creates an arousal that switches on the fighter flight nervous system, right? So keep having the thought, keep having the response and you're taking thought and in the form of chemistry, form of emotion, and you're literally activating that third center.

And now that third center is storing an enormous amount of energy and IT and when there's enormous amount of energy and that that place solar plexus um that that center is driving more information to the brain for you to be more ready for the next possible thing that can go wrong. And so you could have ten really great things that go on in your day. And one thing that goes wrong and you're going to focus on that one wrong thing because you ve got to be prepared for if that happens again. So so I think fear was adaptive um at one point in this become very maladaptive because again, my people are always a uh try to forecast the worst case scenario.

How can people feel less if we've got this intrinsic .

drug .

dealer this endogenous drug deal inside of us that continues to just take the button is keeping on pressing IT, pressing IT, pressing IT, pressing IT is becoming aware is IT stepping into noticing when that arise? Is IT trying to find a degree of safety .

um wealth? I think I think what we discovered is that um um most people don't think that they have control over that. I mean, it's it's so primitive it's so in our biology it's hard to think that you have control over or a fair response now um there's nothing wrong with having the future responses.

Nothing wrong wrong with getting aroused. The question is how long like how long is this gonna on for so you've a reaction five days ago from something that happened and you're still you're still aroused by that event. You got to agree that you're addicted.

You're addicted to that. That emotion keep IT going and it'll become more automatic. You you're constantly uh, be thinking certain ways in doing certain things to reaffirm that addiction to fear.

Um so so for the short term, you know have the fear response if you can short in the refractory period of that emotional response, more than likely if you're going to be in a program for the remainder or of your day. So what we teach people is how uh to master the fear. So so take anxiety as an example, right? Many people come to the work and they have high amount of anxiety. CEO engineers, doctors, nurses. As Dennis people can cross a bridge.

There's a business book called only the paranoid .

survive I think a go um and they've tried everything um to try to change their anxiety but what they haven't done is they haven't caught themselves feeling the feeling of fear and practicing with the rise clothes first not not in their life when they're feeling fear, but let's practice when you're sitting in the meditation and your body starts getting the anxious, starts getting the word, starts getting a little aroused, what are you going to do in that moment? Can you become aware that the body's feeling, that emotion? And could you like like timing and animal settling the body back down from that arrow state back into the present moment? okay.

IT goes, great. I'm going to do this for two seconds. And like a spoil child, IT goes, IT starts getting aroused again. And most people think I am never gonna able to overcome this, but the act of sitting with that and keep lowering the volume and and not not letting the body be the mind, but you, you actually executing, being mind, do that enough times in your condition, the body to a new mind. And and what that, what happens is the brain top firing those same circuits.

Okay, then the person says, but what if this happens? And what if that happens? And then what if this happens? And they catch themselves going to the worst case scenario, or going to the memory, the past.

They keep bringing their attention back to the present moment. What we discovered is if you keep doing that, you get Better at IT. And and when the body, as I said, finally surrender into the present moment up, uh, IT cannot be inferred any longer.

So the person then that returns back into their life and lowered the volume to the fear because they've been practicing IT will respond less emotionally in their life because theyve overcoming, right, if they haven't overcoming. Then the response is going to be the same. So first thing, eyes closed, you got to practice with your eyes closed, but get so good at doing IT with your eyes close that you can do with your eyes open.

And when is the hardest IT matters the most and so justified, valid or not, those chemicals are not good for you. They're not clearly whether you're right when you're justified, the only person that's hurting is you, right? So then the person who says, okay, well, this is this loving to me, okay so fears real.

Okay, so what? What emotion could you change from fear? Okay, so we teach people, okay, can you practice breathing and slowing your brain waves down?

Working with the animal, working with the body, slow your breath down. Slow your brain waves down. Yeah, but I don't want to.

Okay, do IT anyway, back to slowing your breath and breathing will, but slower, your brain way start to change. Put your attention on your heart. Way of great data to show where you place your attention is where you place your energy.

You see the very low frequency, the heart starting to build in the person. So now the heart is getting energy. And then paris sympathic system starts coming up.

The body starts moving into that state. Okay, that's really great to keep doing that over and over again. Keep relaxing into your heart, energy moving into the heart, the heart and forms the brain.

The traumas over betrayals over the the event is over, which are afraid of is over. And IT resets the baseline in the I make love for trauma. And the side effect of that is the person.

Now, when energy moves into the heart like that, they start getting very creative. The heart is very creative. Center OK.

What do I want to do now? What do want to create now? So so yeah, it's something that you can only talk around. But when you're in the work and you're practicing IT is first so important to face off with with your eyes closing its David against a life in the beginning, because the program is so ingrained in our biology. And yet people who keep practicing lowing the vine, allowing the vine we see the brain, can so CEO, as I said, all kinds of different athletes um you see the dramatic change in the brain. There's the anxiety and now it's gone and there's just a significant change in a person's subjective view of .

the world as well is this your format, your process to move through most painful emotions?

um. It's one of the ways uh, that we do IT. I think just IT isn't enough to inhibit the fights in the feeling. I think it's practice practicing feeling something else. And and then we use we use technology to actually tell you when you're doing IT, when you're not, it's so important. So so take A A navy seal for example, who has um done all the talk therapy, tried all of pharmaceuticals, tried all the anti depression, tried all the pain relievers, tried the I osa, tried the plant medicine and and if so can function in our life, right and so why can't they function in our life because uh they they haven't gotten beyond the emotion that keeping them connected uh um to the past if you can.

if if what you settled on is true and you continue to replay the story. And if your body and your physiological system and your indicate system and everything else is just cade down the same, it's like you're reliving IT is actually like you're reliving the same experience over and over and over over again. So IT does make sense, would be like trying to fix a soldiers ptsd while he's still in the field exactly because that is where the brain is .

taking me back to yeah so so. We have seen people come right up to the edge of their emotional belief.

You know, we're that with a pain where the most emotion is at its height and and the hardest part of and every wars, the last battle, and they they go one more time now they are just going to go again and when they when they go again um many times they they they had when they have their breakthrough and the breakthrough isn't, as I said, just like um a little breakthrough. It's an immediate relief um for the person and and so that's the moment. Then they look back at their past. They see IT through a whole different lanes.

I want to show you a clip of theo van with sean strickland. So sean strickland is the current U. F. C. Middleweight champion and in a podcast with the two of them, he talks about some trauma that he's been through in his best. Everyone heard that.

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people understand, like trauma, you know.

yeah, what do you see when you look at that?

Oh, like I see a real vulnerable moment, moment for somebody really vulnerable moment. And yeah, I think childhood trauma is yeah, I think probably the biggest a trauma for many people to overcome because the children, the brain waves are very slow I mean um in alpha in in theta and uh information goes in very quickly right into the so conscious and and I think that um we figure out adaptive ways to not have to feel those emotions or not have to look at that past, but it's we're always aware of is always there, right? But but we don't really have a moment where we fully with ourselves to experience IT. And I think he had a moment um where by association um he let himself be vulnerable which I think is great.

That video is every single time I watch IT is very difficult watch for me and it's too fold. It's first off someone that become a professional hard person, right? He just punches people in the face.

He likes violence, him opening up in, him struggling and then theo saying, it's OK man, we don't need to talk. We can just sit here for a while if you want. I can't it's .

it's so beautiful. Yeah there's and I and I think um uncertainty and I think that moment of vulnerability needs space. I think IT needs space um and IT needs time uh for the person to sit in that allow themselves to fully feel IT right? And that's how that's how IT you you sit in IT long enough IT goes away. IT finally goes away.

What's your advice for somebody playing the theo role, someone having a conversation with somebody else who is on the verge of opening up, they're on the cup of a feeling something uncomfortable, are trying to open up about IT. How can someone hold space more effectively?

Oh, I think I think all people really want to do is feel safe and feel loved, you know so again, I think he played that really, really well. And that is just, uh, let that person know that there that you're there for them in and give them at, uh, the room to go as far as they want to go. And and some people feel really safe about when that happens. And I think they they they release IT.

He mentioned before about this discomfort with feeling feelings. We live in the world, which is very good at distracting us from feeling feelings. There are a whole host of drugs, philosopher's technologies, ways of thinking that can distract us away from feeling feelings. And if to somebody that's listening to this thinking to themselves, I don't think i'm feeling my feelings that fully, how can someone get back in the rythm of feelings.

that feeling again? Yeah you got ta sit with yourself, you to take your device and set IT in the other room. You have shutt IT often feel without that thing and you got to think for yourself.

And I think i'm that kind of art of contemplation um has been last because I think that process of self reflection kind of is a building process neurologically in our brains. And so to no, we joke all the time with people who go through a week long event. I say to them once the last time you SAT with you this long to you finally like you, you have to sit with yourself long enough and those feelings are going to come up.

They will come up because um um you have nothing to do. You have nothing to do your inner world and how you're thinking and how you're feeling is going to become very obvious to you. Um and so I think um people ask all the time who why is my health condition like this?

What what are the thoughts? What are the feelings that I need? The change is really simple. Sit with yourself and you youll know exactly what IT is that, that you need to change. So um I think it's I think you've to create the time to invest in yourself.

Um one of the things that i've discovered with many people that tell us stories of trance information is that they kind of have this I believe, like, I believe this stuff works. Um I just never believe that could work for me. I mean, that's a really, really fundamentally key moment in a person's evolution, because that means they actually have to change the relief. And that sometimes that means I gotta come out of the resting state and they ve got to choose themselves every day.

I see that with a lot of things, that that's something that's nice, but for other people, that's something which I believe could be true. The data seems to be to be true, but that's not for me. No.

the weight .

losses isn't for me. The transformation isn't for me. The relationship is healthy isn't for me.

the. Group of friends that genuine you want the best for me, reason for me this. It's like solipsism in a way .

it's persistent disbelief.

yes, but only around you.

of course, about what they all reasons you. So so that person then whose whose arguing for some limitation just doesn't believe that they can change their life. They don't believe that their thoughts have something to do with their destiny.

They don't believe, they don't believe in possibility because they don't believe in themselves. You cannot believe in possibility without believing in yourself. And you if you believe yourself, that means you got to believe in possibility.

And that means then, uh that means you ve got to do something, you had to get off the couch, you know, you ve got to get up and you ve got to get engaged, uh, in your world and you ve got to be a creator in your life in in and instead of a victim, your life now that that's an easy thing to say um but that means that means you have to carve out some time for you, I mean, and we invest in yourself, invest in yourself and invest in your future. Do IT and get uncomfortable and know that that's Normal, that's natural, that's the unknown. Okay, if you if I keep making the same choices, i'm going to keep having the same health condition.

If I keep doing the same things, i'm gonna still have the same level of abundance. okay? So I got to start making changes. It's not that hard to do IT if you really want to do IT. I mean, if you you really want to do IT, then you'll invest in yourself.

Now for me, I think everybody, to some degree, Chris believes that they have a hand in creating their life, unless theyve had, are really, really a horrible childhood and past. But on some level of people believe, right? So people say, well, OK.

So I I believe that I can get the car, I can get the vacation, I can get the new home, I can get the relationship, I can get the second home. I don't know whatever is that people want, but the weather gona do IT is okay. I'm going to work really hard.

I'm gonna study a lot. Nothing wrong with this, by the way. Um i'm going to be trained. I'm onna learn. I'm going to make a bunch of wrong choices when to learn from my mistakes, and then i'm going to get really good at gathering a lot of things in doing these things. Okay, i've created a certain degree in my life, but people who really, really start shortening the distance between the thought of what they want and experience of having IT something changes.

They may say, oh, I have the belief that I create my, my life in some way, but is IT possible that it's more than the synchrony you, more than the parking space, more than thinking of a friend than they call you, like everybody kind of accept that is kind of, oh, that's possible. Well, want to take you to the next level. I mean, what what the what if you can actually do more of that? Like, is that a belief that you can begin to embrace? So that means if you believe that on some level, that you can create something greater of of greater magical ude greater, that means then you'd have to get involved in the experience a bit more.

That means i'd have to believe, how how could I possibly do that? Like what would you take for me to do that? And so people evolve their belief around creation when they started seeing bigger synchronicities happen in their life of the opportunity.

The, the, the job, the, the, the phone call, the synchronicity, the coincidence that's bigger than the parking space because they're investing in themselves. Now here's the cool part. The moment they have that synchronicity and IT has something to do with what they're doing inside of them, they're na pay attention to what they didn't inside of them are going do IT again.

They're na believe now, oh, I actually am the creator of my life. I'm no longer the victim of my life. He practicing that over time, keep getting Better at IT.

You don't have to go anywhere and do anything to get things. Somehow they seem to come to you. Somehow the opportunities coming to you and you're not having to do IT. No, that's another way to create and and that we're all created.

So taking time to be a creator, taking time to invest in yourself, taking time to get involved in the experiment, this is an experiment to see, to measure the effects of you with costs, right? So do IT really good one way. And then find out a way, if there's a way to flow, if there's a way to change, that IT all a sudden allows your environment to a change around you. When you change, that's when the experiment is exciting.

I wants to talk about gratitude. What do most people get wrong when IT comes to a gratitude practice get wrong.

Um well, if you think about IT, when you receive something favorable or just receive something favorable, if something wonderful is happening to you or something wonderful just happened to you, the feeling that creative from that experience is called gratitude. So the emotional signature of gratitude means something wonderful happening to you, or something wonderful has just happened to you. Gratitude is the ultimate state of receiving that.

That is the ultimate state so um yeah you can you can practice with a gratitude journal and write down the things in your life that are grateful for and I think that has A A really great reminder to to manage attention and to manage energy um but by the same means can you be grateful for things that you haven't had yet but you believe enough that you can have no, we only accept, believe in surrender to thoughts that are equal to our emotional state. We ll never accept, believe in surrender to thoughts that are not equal to our emotional state. So if you're feeling really unhappy and you're feeling really negatively and you're thinking positive ly, the thought of thinking passively never makes the past the brain stem to get to the body because the body is feeling miserable.

Positive thought never changes the biology. okay? So people, except believe, surrender information. You as emotional day, you watch something on program and you get fear. The information that comes in after that fear you're going to accept, you get a diagnosis.

The doctor says you got this amount of time to live, and you're in that state, that information gona go right into your subconscious mind because you that information is equal to the emotional state that are in makes sense so you can think positive and healthy and wealthy, free, unlimited. And your bodies going, no, you're not. Do that.

You're measure. So the thought never makes us to the body. okay? So that means that we would have to change the emotional state of the body.

And we're doing research on this, really, really fascinating research on this now. So the person then wants to accept, believe in, surrender to thoughts of the future. And they want to reprogram their subconscious mind to a new future if they're feeling gratitude.

In gratitude is is the ultimate state of receiving, they will actually accept, believe in, surrender to the thoughts that they're thinking equal to that emotional state. And that's exactly what programs the automatic nervous system to begin to make a pharmacy of chemicals that causes the body to move into restoration, growth and repair and and a lot of immunity unction. So we took a group of people um in the study and we measured the quarter zl levels.

We measured uh uh a communal bilin called I G A immunity a IT see your bodies natural defense, its the bodies full shot. In fact, IT works Better than any flu shot um and so as quarter zl levels go up, I J levels go down because if you're an emergency, your immunity stems compromise. If all your energy is going to the outer world here, and you have no energy in your inner world, you you're gonna be unhealthy in the internal protection system kind of closes down.

Okay, so four days of changing their emotions from resentment, judgment and frustration and impatients ts, uh, to gratitude and appreciate four days and we measured their hearts because when you're frustrated in your impatient um in your judge mental your hearts piece very differently when you're grateful when you're grateful um your heart starts to beat a more ethnic way in. There's a couple pathways where oxyde signals nitric oxide, and nitric oxide signals another chemical that causes the arteries in your heart literally to swell, to open up. And so when you actually feel gratitude, there's a physical ological component that takes place where your heart feels full.

And when energy or blood makes us, the heart, and entry makes its the heart is a different consciousness, right? Is a different level of awareness. And when you're feeling reasonable or you're feeling impatient, so feel the emotion of gratitude and open your heart, keep activating that center.

We discovered that one person, a person, feels that emotion, they do IT for four days. The R. G. A levels went up fifty percent, uh, just in four, four days. So there's no robust, amusing response that takes place by just a changing 啊 from from those limited emotions to more elevated emotions。

So we saw that when the person's feeling gratitude and their heart goes from kind of a very in cold here in state, more regulated, an organized state, the once energy makes IT to the heart um as I said earlier um somehow IT begins to move to the brain and if you would imagine like grabbing a big sheet and going like this, it's almost like the heart is causing this beautiful pattern of energy moving into the brain. IT causes the brain to move in these beautiful alpha brain which states that is that state of imagination so I think when we're grateful um those social networks turn on where we want to connect. I think we we have a more appreciation for the moment.

And and and I think we're more proud to give which actually releases more oxyde in which releases more natural oxide and causes us to feel even feel even Better. So we teach people then to feel grateful for things that they haven't had yet as well. The things that they have in their life and IT tends to produce profound changes .

in their biology. Tactically, what accuse that you're giving to, there will be people that are listening. Now that think I have a gratitude practice, i've seen the results from existing research, positive psychology. Gratitude seems to be one of the most robust ways to improve your baseline level of happiness completely. Free.

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What are the most powerful elements of a gratitude practice? What are the trigger? What are the tactics? What are the way markers that you're saying? This is something that you should be really focused on when .

IT comes to a gratitude practice. Yeah I think I think um the first step uh is changing your physiology. I think uh um I think there's levels of gratitude that you could feel, but you have to start feeling other things first in order to feel IT.

So it's not great. I don't think it's enough. And i'm just saying this for myself. Um it's not enough for me to feel gratitude for five minutes and then spend the rest of my day feeling miserable. That's not I am doing IT. I'm doing IT to sustain that state up for an extended period of time that I want to to get really good at doing IT with my eyes open.

So I believe that if I walking around in state of gratitude with my eyes open and I can sustain that state for an extended period of time, there should be, there should be opportunities coming to me as a result of my change and energy, right? So I make the effort in the experiment cake, because this is an experiment. I make the effort in the experiment that if I can stay in this great state of gratitude, that I should see something unusual come to me as a result of IT.

That's why I do IT. So that means that you have to, he mizer. And we're conditioned to believe that something out there has to change in order to take away the lack of separation, of not having IT inside of me.

Gratitude kind of fills that lack. And so if you're not waiting for your life to change, to feel that emotion, actually saying, if I generate gratitude, I actually heal. If I generate gratitude, I should create this in my life. So I just like to use IT in a way that tends to be more creative and not just be grateful for the things that I have. I think that has a lot of great biological effects, but as the creator in your life, to shorten the distance between the thought of what you want, the experience of having IT without having to do a whole lot um I think gratitude is that perfect state of receivership.

Talk to me about the role of hard work and how you see IT because there is A A temptation I can imagine for people to believe that thinking that is all that needs to happen now. And this, I remember rona burn who wrote the secret, there was a tsunami in thailand or indonesia, boxing day, twenty two thousand five, I think, two thousand six, something like that. And there was a famous news article that came out shortly after that.

I think the secret had come out. And then, as always, although that got a bucket in circulation, let's get render burn to comment on this geological issue. Uh, and he said the reason that the tuna I had hit the people of indonesia or thailand was because that they were attracting that energy a and that went down quite poorly. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by sunni and I was being blamed on them for sending out energy that then got this tuna I to come the converse being that lots of people who believe in agency, unlike the idea that we've got control over their own lives, take a very materialist, very utilitarian, very sort of rationality, traditionally perspective on, I just need to do the thing. So how do you marry this need for hard work with the insights that you have around envisioning in your future?

I don't I just wanted define hard work, uh, first because um I think um I don't see hard work is the way people see hard work. I mean, I am a very immersive person. So if i'm gonna good at something, i'm going to put my my mind, my body, my heart and soul behind whatever is i'm gonna and and I do that because i'd like IT.

I'd like to learn, i'd like to experience, I like to grow um and I think um you can get really good at doing IT one way in the hard work. We know all the stuff we talked about IT really good at doing IT and become successful and then just about everything you want. But you may not truly have happiness.

You just may have a lot of things and you got really good at doing IT, right? okay. So for me, I said there's gotta be another way it's gotta another way to do IT.

That's different than the way that i've done. I've gotten really good at doing that is there are another way to create where I don't actually have to go and do something if I could change my energy. And i've been at this long enough to tell you that nobody changes, change their energy.

If I changed my energy with my life change, that's that's kind of the experiment that i'm interested in. Okay, so what piece of knowledge with a piece of information only find the information that can help me build the model of understanding that this is actually possible? And not watching netflix.

I'm not watching ted last, so i'm not watching suits. I'm not watching the news and not watching the game. I'm reading this information because I want to understand the what in the why.

Okay, now I got that. okay. Quantic physics says, einstein says the field is the sole governing agency of the particle. The the field controls the particle 嗯， particle doesn't control the particle energy control matter. Okay, are I let me build this model little bit further?

Okay, if if if the field is so governing agency of the particle and is not matter, that's admitting the field, that's actually a feel that actually slowing down frequency and creating matter OK. I'm telling you all this because i'm using using quantum physics as a way to help us understand that mind and matter are inextricably combined. It's impossible to separate too.

Okay, well, IT works on the very tiny level of subatomic particles, but can not work on on a greater level. Can you make real life events happen in your life and collapse the wave function OK? Well, if I matter, trying to change matter, if i'm joe, to spend a aware that i'm local, in space, in time, immersion to the illusion of this virtually experiences this hologram.

And I got to play by, play by the rules of tony physics, which you got to predict and plan, do a lot of things. Okay, okay, what if I could get to the field? What if I could become pure consciousness and be aware of nothing physical material, become nobody, become no one in nothing and nowhere and no time, become pure consciousness and move to rm, be ond space in time.

Okay, let me just see. Okay, if I could get there is pure consciousness, and i'm not aware of my body, not aware of my environment and not aware of time, and i'm in the fiel. Okay, what are the principles of the field? Everything's connected, everything's frequency, everything's energy um there's less separation, there's more holness.

okay. So if I get to the field and I can create from the field instead of the matter as an experiment, could I then begin to produce changes in the field that ultimately would change the the hologram with three dimensional reality? Okay, so I may not be very good at at the beginning.

So going to take some unlearning and changing my beliefs about a lot of things and studying to make sure that when I do IT, I know what i'm doing and why am doing IT. Okay, so nothing happens. Do I go back to just going back the other way? Or as I just not that good, so maybe i'm just not that good yet, like maybe I ve got to get Better at IT, so i'm going to practice again.

I'm going to keep building my model through experience. And then of a sudden, you started noticing changes. Now the hard work was worth the effort when I started seeing the effects that I created in my life. So I think that, that there's a delicate baLance between intention and that's getting clear on what you want and surrender, uh, which means trusting in the outcome. And if you also attend, you're working really hard and you're try and really hard.

And if you never surrender your lazy and author logic and you're not doing anything right, so is kind of a razors edge when you talk about hard work, because for me, um IT really is about building the model of understanding and then being able to immerse myself in the experience to prove to myself that IT actually a could be the truth. So the hard work is just good, clean effort in getting so lost in the act of what you're doing that the act actually becomes the experience. I know that for me, when I get to that point where i've stretched myself past, the point where I Normally stop, especially in the meditation, if I go one more time, it's always worth the effort.

Something changes I when I go past that point. So and I think that that works in all kinds of ways. So um I think hard work for me is just emerging myself in IT until I start seeing effects.

IT is a line from mackie valley says god doesn't want to do everything. Some of IT is up to you I think that's a nice blending of those too.

Yeah I have another friend to um we were at a party in my birthday party actually last year and we are walking back toward his car who was parked nearby and he who is going to give me a left home and I was waiting from to beat the cast that could get in and he didn't and the door was open so did you not locky car? He says, I don't lock my car. That's interesting.

Why did you do that? He says, i'm not sure when the universe just has my back and locking your car. I think that's just that's a sufficient low left that you might as well do IT anyway.

But that line really stuck with me. The universe has my back. And the times when I feel like that's the case, the times I don't feel like i'm swiming dow stream, not upstream, lives Better, undeniably lives Better.

Well, you may have to put ten in in your one out in the beginning. And then if you stick with that, you put one in, get ten out. And that's when to get fun.

So will be a lot of people listening, who, again, the people who print the altar of raw cognition, right? Very, very util italian materialistic. That left brain is always on how can they learn to expand the view, what contribute to happiness and well being in fulfillment and and achievement in life? What would you say to the person who's still sure?

Well, I think IT was last year. We were at an event, a week log event, and we, we do a lot of walking meditations, because you gotta be, you will stand as IT, walk as IT, sit as IT, lay down as IT. And so we do a lot of walking meditations to, to, to embodied.

And I was, was, can con mexico. There was twenty two hundred people at that event. We were on the beach at a sunrise.

The sun was coming up. One of the last meditations, you know, and I just, I looked at all these people, and they were looking, facing the sun. They had their hands over their heart and their eyes were closed.

So many of them, I had tears of joy a rolling down their face. They were so incredibly joyful, so incredibly grateful um so worthy in that moment. And I realized, Michael, nobody's making them happy.

In that moment but then and and I think when we hit these points where we finally break free from the chains of our own limitations, I think when we overcome the emotional addictions that keep us tormented and reliving the past, uh I think um that the the the overcoming of those emotional addictions, the side effect is joy is it's it's uh it's a freedom of expression without feeling limited uh in any way and I just I can tell you that um again, this is only my experience but when I look at the audience of people, you know at the end of seven days in um I always tell them, uh, nobody's making you happy but you and all you've done is decided who not to be and who to be and you SAT with yourself long enough to change that so when people do that and they get to that point where um they're worthy to receive, they learn they showed up enough times when they could have laden Better skipped a meditation but they didn't that they they kept showing up. I think the universe only gives us what we think are worthy of receiving, right? And so a person whose feeling that level of um happiness that level of joy, because they've made themselves happy, then they are okay with you and they're okay with everybody. And and I think that's the important point is that that when you overcome ourselves, the side effect of of that is true. Join.

how can people Better lean to love themselves? S .

wow. I mean, that's a that's an interesting conversation. Um I think love has to be redefined h to some degree because I think a lot of people have a different definition about love um but I once again, I really have seen this numerous times. Uh they have to practice feeling love. I mean you can not love unless you practice feeling IT in.

I think um if you practice feeling love, you get Better add feeling love and if you get Better at feeling love you become less selfish and more self less in other words you're not when you're executing from your heart when you're feeling um I think you you consider the whole uh and and um so so for me um I think when people um push themselves past that point where they Normally stop um and they truly truly believe in themselves. I think they're in love with themselves and when they're in love with themselves are pretty much in love with everybody and when they are when they're angry themselves, they're angry with others and when they're resent ful uh with themselves, there is a judge judge mental of themselves or judge mental of others. I think that's the law. So we've seen in numerous times, we've seen you know especially when you see a collective group of people um in a state of joy is not common, that you see that in the world these days.

I heard a story from you about a basketball player, maybe basketball all player in a wheelchair, who said that he never loved himself at one of your events. And IT just really struck me that line. I never really loved .

myself ah yeah .

yeah I thought really .

and he had A M S, and pretty sure is a professional football player. I think you and he came. The event was kind of funny. and. He his brother bottom there, and he thought he was coming to a yog didn't know what he was getting into any of the guy came in a wheel and he was walking at the end of the event and never occurred to him to love themselves. And we had someone else with A S that came in a wheelchair and they brought him back stage.

He was walking on the beach and he said, oh my god, the more I practice feeling love, the more I feel I come healing. He didn't say I am. How come i'm not healed all the way? He said, oh my god, every time I feel deeper and deeper levels of love, somehow my body is changing in healing.

So now, now he's feeling love a with an intention to here, right? And I think that, I think that's I I think that you get to a certain point where um you know what we've seen this um we've seen oxy tos levels in our community, you know love chemical, you know two hundred times Normal. And when you're feeling that amount of love, it's really hard to hold a grudge. Um you would never want to stop feeling that way and so you you're okay with everybody in that any .

any other thought that you have is ripping you out of that state.

You start to go all my god, I like feeling this a lot. So then now I just becomes in, you know, contagious, you want to feel more of IT, and I think there's always more love.

Is there own is there something similar to do with fear of other people, judgment of others, criticism dealing with criticism of other people, that if you have this sense of innate comfort enjoy with where you're at, that any opportunity or risk or threat for that to change? Just looks like a really shit deal. Why would I take that deal? yeah.

How do I take that deal? yeah. no. And I think I think that's a natural state being when we're not in survival, you know, when we move out of survival, I think we tend to be as a species, very good, very kind, very caring, very loving, a very supportive, very informative, uh, in in that people hear each other.

People shine for one another days. I think that I think that who we are were wired to be that as well as a species. And I think that's that's that model of them.

When when you're like when we seen the coherence healings, you get a group of people that behave all kinds of ways in their life, and you get them and come together and you instruct them and they all behave the same way. When they all behave the same way, it's no different than that flock of birds or school of fish. There's an emerging consciousness that's taking place.

In other words, in the whole, the whole is greater than the some of the parts and the intention to heal another person. As an example, as the collective puts their attention on these individuals, what they're saying is worse, we're intentionally making the effort to heal this person because when we do heal this person, we strength in the whole right. And so something happens with us where we're wired.

I don't know why that someone cheese you to clean your neighbors back. You are than your your own. But something in us, in aid, in us, where we get to give life to another person's life for to love another person into life.

Wow um I was just in A A zoom call yesterday with an autistic uh guy twenty seven years old that was catatonic. You could move on harper depression in and um got just a different 是 是 uh school is having in can cool last year after our event a different character。 But that's not that's not important.

What's important is the people that administered the healing on him and the mother who was sitting, they are telling the story about how their lives have changed because he just broke out like, he's a different guy. He super poetic. He can talk now.

He couldn't talk before he's practicing. I mean, this is a new life for him, right? And she's crying. And, uh, you wanted talk about self love, the the group of people that had ministered the healing, a role on the call and morale.

I'm on the call too in morall crying because we're feeling the mother's gratitude and I think that's one of the greatest uh, ways we can feel gratitude as when we receive IT. So some kind of empathy is born that says that got we made a difference in someone's life. We took care of somebody on the try, like we're strengthened because of this.

And this this kind of empathy that takes place kind of draws us closer together. You know, we bond Better. So the experience then, for that person who administer the healing is creating a level of love that they had in hand before.

And IT wasn't from getting the sports s car, and IT wasn't from going on the vacation. IT was by giving to somebody else. And then then opening your heart becomes less of a technique, is not a technique any longer.

It's just a way, right? It's a thing. And so the people that do these coherence healings remotely in great studies and autism, great studies, P T S D, great affect some all kinds of health conditions remotely.

I've have SAT with them, and they say, I would never miss. I would never miss because I could have the worst day in the world. And I I can't want to no longer about me, is about somebody else. And I can do this and I can make a change in a person's like they're moving closer to love right there. The experience then from that experience that they'd never had before or the repeated experience brings them so much joy, so much love um that they they need less uh from their outer world uh and and I and I think that you know we're wired to be that way.

Self regulation, the term that gets thrown around an awful lot. What's that mean to you tactically? How do you employ that?

It's it's so easy in a matter of seconds to react to someone or something, to respond to some street thought and in a matter of seconds default back to those subconscious and unconscious programs because that emotion is driving you to behave as if you're in the path they thought. Tomato, right? So it's seamless.

The defauts system causes us to to lose our connection to the vision of the future, our belief in the future. That happens so fast, we forget of that future, right? So, so, so regulation is the ability to regulate your or control your internal state of how you're thinking and feeling in a condition in your environment that Normally would create another feeling or another emotion, right?

So here's one of the things we did in in our studies. We don't do IT anymore. We did for a long time we saw that our community, we could teach them how to make their heart beat more coherently. And when the heart does that IT sends out a magnetic field up to three metres while its big field. Um and people can get really good at that and you can do in a ball room with a thousand other people or two thousand and other people, close your eyes, forget about your out, our environment, breathe, feel, practice, feeling elevated emotions, get good at IT and you you can manage that, okay.

But what about when you open your eyes? Now, what happens when you walk out into your life, you know? And so we decided that we would take a our entire community and we would put them in circumstances and conditions, whether IT was repelling off the side of a building um or standing on the top of a fifty foot pole, you know, reaching for you, jumping for tramping, whatever.

IT was bit of this .

regulation something to disrupt that level of order. And this was not about an unread tle in rush. This was actually about the opposite, that if you put the person in the circumstances that would Normally cause in automatic response, automatic vigiLance, automatic anxiety, and give them something to do and teach them how to regulate their internal state and get back into article here.

And they are wearing monitors or hate what we're doing, this practice that in and accomplish, right? If you could self regulate in that moment and return back and to your life, and you you just did that, there is going to feel like you should be able to do in your life as well. Normally that if you if you put the stakes really high and the thresh is really high, then you face the problems in your life like that's not so bad relative to what I just what I just did.

So self regulation is to be able to change your emotional state, get back into that heart relaxed. The formula that we discovered is that the more relaxed you are in your heart, the more awake you are in your brain. For some reason, if you keep relaxing in your heart, the brain is becoming more awake and aware.

So instead of stressed out, unconscious and living in a program, practicing relaxing your heart and wake in your brain can actually become a habit. So being able to regulate your emotional state in the same environment in of the words, think, act and feel differently in the same conditions in your life. And that's that's regulation.

What are the cues that are getting people to follow? What are the most powerful ways that people can self regulate?

My goodness, we discovered that when when energy makes IT to the harden moves to the brain, ah, we started seeing this resonance that starts to take place in the brain. Other words, if people get really good at this, their brain is actually has a fate delt wave that's acting as a Carrier to a fat wave in the fatal wave is in a resonance or harmonic to an alpha, an alpha to b, to bated a high bit and high day to right a right.

So we practice doing that with our eyes closed, and we do IT over and over again, relaxed and awake, relaxed and awake. And then, of course, we practice the walking meditation. So if you can do IT seated in your chair that stand up as all, go to the beach as practice standing up.

why? Because you got a practice standing up, practice with your eyes close to do the same thing you are doing laying down. And do IT standing up.

Okay, now I can do with standing up. I can change my state. Now let's open your eyes. Now.

when you say, do IT standing up, what is IT practice?

Relaxing in your heart is it's A A formula that we use as a meditation that we use, and we take people through IT. So practice that most standing up instead of laying down. Now open your eyes and self regulate practice doing that with your eyes open until IT becomes a habit, right? It's a walk in that state with your eyes open.

Keep practicing that over and over again. Sooner later, it's gona become easier, easier for you to do IT. So so when a person has practiced enough times, they can create a distinction.

They can know the difference between when they're there and when they are not. Like, you'll know, IT. Immediately they lose IT. Like they fall from great, say, but I lost IT. So then they have just one of two choices, staying the program the rest of the day, complain, blame me, excuses and fuel, cry for yourself or pause for a moment.

Excuse yourself, get back into that state, relaxed on your heart and awake in your rain again, in in being able to do IT when you're out of baLance is the reason why we do IT. We're doing IT to get back to baLance. So IT takes practice um but cash we have so many people that do IT really well to walk as IT practice with your eyes open, just like you do with your eyes close.

Talk me about the power of mental rehearsal. This is something that you spend not a lot of time working on.

Uh yeah so i'm always fascinated with no genesis or growth in the brain. I have always been fascinated by IT. And so um if you look at a musician, you look at athlete, uh you look at our performer or act or an actress um you look at a dancer ah anybody whose running a ill, there's a period of time where they have to consciously practice what they're doing.

They have to consciously put a lot of their attention, a lot of their awareness and a lot of their energy and what they're doing and takes a lot of energy for them to start this whole process. If they if they keep practicing IT after a period of time that the redundancy of the experience that starts to install enough circuitry for them to do IT more automatically, h IT just gets more natural and easy. And and that's kind of the physical rehearsal of whatever they're doing.

That's really important. But what separates that person to the mind of the champion is the person who will sit down and rehearse the act of what they're about to do theyll take the time and the mentally rehearse action. And what the research shows is that when you mentally rehearse doing something, the brain does not know the difference between the outside world event and what you're imagining in your mind to the brain is exactly the same.

So as you begin to reverse what you're doing and you put yourself in the scene and you practice that, if the brain doesn't know the difference between the real life experience that's out there and what you're rehearsal in your mind experiences creates circuitry in the brain, so you start laying down hardware in the brain to look like you've done IT, to look like you've already experienced that. Now the brains, as I said, no longer record of past. It's now becoming a map to the future.

Okay, keep practicing IT doing IT past that point. Keep rehearsin IT. Then all sun nerve cells that fire together, wired together IT gets more automatic. IT gets more like a software programme. IT becomes easier to do.

So studies have been done on this where they took people that that never played the piano foreign vide room to categories and they did functional scans and and on both of the groups and in one group they had them come and learn one handed scales and cords for five days um and they had to practice two hours a day and so they played the scales and chords and at the end of five days, as you would imagine, they had a whole set of circuits in the motor core text to the brain. Well, you learn new information, learns learnings making new senator connections, get some instructions, git your body involved and get your body involved are going to have an experience, experience in which is the brain. Pay attention to what you're doing gotto.

Pay attention and repeat IT over and over again. Repetition, firing and wiring. You assemble new neuroprotective. Okay, post scans show that take a group, people have been close eyes and mentally, hers plane scales and course for two hours a day, for five days.

At the end of those five days, the people that mentally rehearse playing the scales and courts the brain looked like theyve been playing the piano for five days, but they never lift the finger, take those people in set, in front of piano, and they never played the piano before, and they'll actually played those scales and cords. So I prime the brain so they can actually step into that footprint. So if you're going to really want to begin to make measurable changes in your life because you want to heal from your condition or disease um then you can't be presented around directs.

And so you're going to have to figure out a way how you're going to have to act. What would love do, what would greatness look like? How I going to overcome this? And i'm going to behave in this circumstance because the one hour of my good meditation, where I felt great in my heart and connected and coherence in my brain, and then the rest of the day i'm frustrated in patient okay to figure this out, I am feel and Better.

I'm sleep and Better. I have more energy um I have less pain, but my my values are still the same okay, one hour against fifteen hours I got to get I rehearsal so I could actually get in the game so that i'm not going to fall. And we turned back to default to the old personality because i'm not any heal.

Throughout this conversation i've had this idea in my mind of sort of the shallower ness of a lot of practice that doesn't necessarily and CoOperate this. And i've spent a lot of time with some very, very small people that are very, very effective getting behavior to change. But I often wonder about how much deeper than the behavior IT goes into belief about what they are worthy of.

Many people are really greater doing things, even if they don't think that they're worth of doing them, mean that kind of like the intrinsic side of impostor syndrome when you succeed. I didn't believe that I could do the thing. I went out and did the thing, and yet I still don't feel like I was worthy of the success that doing the .

thing gave me right.

And IT IT kind of shows to me this, I think seller is the closest what I can think of.

Let's see how I can say this. I thought people came to our work to heal, to create abundance, to give a new jobs, to have a new relationship, to have a mysore experience. I really thought that those were the reasons that they thought they came.

But really what you're really coming for us homeless um because when you're whole, it's really hard to want um and you could only want when you're in lack um or you're in separation. And and and we we actually create from luck. We actually create from separation.

If you see something that you don't have, that someone else has, and you're aware now that IT exists, you say, I want that you you the lack of not having IT actually inspired to create and get this right. So we create from lack and separation. And so if people are spending their whole time in their life, working really hard to get the things that they want to behaving differently at that thing, and then when the novelty wears off from that thing, here comes that feeling, again, of lack and separation.

And we reach a point in our life for many people, or nothing make nothing's making that feeling go away. And that's a really important moment in life where you start realizing all, my god, I got to wake up because is there's never gonna be something that does IT out there. Well.

that's one of the reasons I think you get sort of gold medalist syndrome or whatever the equivalent is that you can always justify yourself that that IT wasn't the two million dollar house. It's the four million dot. That's the one.

This was just the reason that I still feel empty after having achieved that. The IT wasn't the corner office. It's the corner office with the panel windows at the top. IT wasn't the wife and there is no there is always a manion a yeah I think .

people confuse pleasure and happiness, uh, on one level. And god, i've SAT with billionaires and more than one, and they have leaned over and said to me, we are miserable. We are an agony.

We can even, we can even enjoy sunset like, because money has nothing or success has nothing to do with genuine, authentic joy. And in mastering yourself, overcoming yourself in so many ways, create so much holness in order in the nervous system, so much holness you don't want anything anymore. And and that's a great moment when you feel so whole that you no longer want.

That's the moment you're free. I think that's the men you really feel free. So so IT is deeper than that yeah I think there's intrinsic innate quality for us to remember, uh, something deeper and more profound in us. And I think when people have that full on sensory internal experience, that moment of connection, that that overcoming that a ousel you know that whatever that is that connection or union um I think they when they they feel these elevated states, they stop looking outside of IT outside of themselves for they start looking within and and I think that's A A really great moment and I don't know how deep that rabid hole goes, but I know that that um there's always more laughter to fear when we when we do that.

What's an awful lot of attention paid to self mastery. But it's self mastery within a very particular domain, self mastery to make sure you don't hit the snooze, self mastery to not eat the sugar tat, self mastery to go to the gym, to lift the way to, to complete, to do this, to do the things right. This is a world that I can have a very, very heavily, and it's opening up .

the door way .

to the potential that IT might be something more than that might be more than just doing the thing.

I'm glad you're saying that because I believe that also, I really think is way more than that. There's way more than that because there's there's so much that we have an experiences yet that has nothing to do with the material world. Have a full on mystic experiencing to the point where you can go back to being the same person any longer because your changed as a result of IT that your perception of reality changes from that inward experience. I think I think there's a lot of unknown experiences that that await us that have nothing to do with the world. We know.

Do you think that everybody has the same propensity, openness um to to these sorts of experiences? There are some people that i'm around and that i'm friends with and I think in order to get you to the stage where you would be keen to open the door to the mystic experience, uh, we're going to have to drag you kicking.

screaming through a mile of glass ah yeah you know it's a it's A I think when people are ready, they are ready. You know when people meet information on their own level, you know in and I think that's great. I think everybody's on the journey back to source, you know and uh, you have to forget that your source to have the experience of something other than that I think is IT. Now it's a process of of of awakening. And so um god, I think there's I think there's so much more to experience in life besides that um having those moments of those transient dental moments where you where you realized that there is something greater, it's hard to go back to playing the game the same way.

One of the common pit for ls that must get in the way of people is chronic stress. It's what we've spoken about early on. What are some of the ways that stress might show up in our lives that people don't realize the sneaky serb tish ous ways that IT comes and starts to legal, that equality of life?

Well, just think about the emotions that are associated with stress. It's anger, it's hatred, it's violence, its hostility, its judgment, its competition, it's control, it's envy, it's jealousy, it's insecurity, it's fear, it's anxiety, it's vigilio um it's hopelessness is parallel ness. It's skill to shame.

And psychology calls all of those emotional states Normal human states of consciousness. Those are altered states of consciousness. So so if you're feeling any one of those emotional states, more than likely you're having a stress response. The problem is we get so conditioned into IT the we don't know how to feel, uh, feel any other way.

So I think we describe change in this work as being greater than your body, being greater than the body that's been conditioned emotionally into the past and being greater than the body when it's programmed into a predictable future. Executing a world that's greater than the program, executing a mind that's greater than the body and moving IT into the present moment takes a lot of energy and takes a lot of awareness. And he got ta sit with IT long enough to get good at IT.

So in onder, for you to change, you have to be able to move from that place of knowns familiar past, predictable future into the present moment unna. Okay, to change, to be greater than your environment, every person, every object, every thing, every place has a neurological network in your brain because you've experienced IT. okay?

So if you're not being defined by a vision, the future, and you open your eyes and you plug yourself back in the three dimensions, reality, you see your coat, or you see your x, you see your boss, you see your friend, you see your cell phone, you see the news. And now the environment is actually controlling the way you're feeling and the way you're thinking. So now is no longer your personality creating your personal reality.

Your personal reality is creating your personality. Your environment is controlling the way you're thinking and feeling, so change to be greater than your environment did not respond the same way, not to think the same way, and not to act the same way in the same conditions, okay, and and not being a predictable future in the familiar past you've ta be in the present moment means overcome time, okay? That's harm model for change.

When you're on the stress, the arousal stress harmons causes you to have really feel like your body. The arousal causes you to put all of your attention on your body because you're the priority when you're in survival. When you're in survival in the brain is in the rough state, your attention is you're not going in in word now you can eat and you can get vulnerable.

You can drop your guard. You know, like the video there, drop your guard. You gotto drop your guard to do the be vulnerable, but you won't trap your guard of the threat of the dangers out there.

You don't go in is not time to create. It's not a time to go. It's not time to learn sound to run, fight and high, right? So the arousal causes put all of our attention on the environment.

And when you're under stress and you're trying to predict a are based on the past, your you're obsessing about time, right? So if the change is to be greater than your body, to be greater than your environment, regreted time and the trust hormones caused us to put off our attention on our bodies, our environment in time. That means when we're under stress or in survival, it's really hard to change.

Is that really not a time to change? Is is time to run, fight high, okay, overcome the addiction to those emotions, lower the point and give people the, the, the application and have them work with IT. They're going to break.

They're going to break addiction. What happens when you break an addiction? You go through withdrawal.

Come on, just a little suffering. Come on, come on, just a little judgment. Just moni. That's so the body's craving, the body's the line is craving those chemicals. And so overcoming an addiction to something outside of this is one thing, but overcoming the addiction to the chemicals of the emotions that that are within us is lots of huge thing, right?

And so it's funny because if you're addicted to something like, I don't know, sugar or caffeine and then these you know have your belief on them, but if you're addicted to alcohol, whatever nickel, and you say i'm gona quit, i'm going to quit and you say that with intention, with your conscious mind. And then, you know, I throw my feet up on the table, I grab a sugar donor and to cup of coffee, and I got, you know, powdered all around my mouth. And you're you're still know you're still trying to over comment body is going to say start tomorrow.

This is not a good day for you to come on one bide we all is doing you know all of that doesn't voices in our head that lead to the same choices, right? So but if you truly broke the addiction to the emotion and to the to the the substance, and you walked in, you could have the sugar and not have the sugar, the coffee, you not have the coffee. You're not a dex to IT and not tell any longer .

the differences that when it's something that's outside of you. One of the most effective voice to change behavior is to change your environment. Say, hey, you can't eat the donor that isn't in your house. You can't from the coffee that isn't in your hand. Yes, problem being you have at a moments notice the opportunity to access all of the sugar informs of stress or resentment or anxiety or this taste or judges whatever is that's always that you have a permanently open covered of an unlimited number twenty four hours a day when you wake, when you go to sleep um which is what particularly city is about .

IT right sure cheer and and stress miss manages our attention now right so if you addicted to an emotion and you addicted to fear, um there's going to be some person or some circumstance that you're going to put your attention on that actually is associated with that that fear. And so the stronger the emotion you have to some personal problem, the more you pay attention to them.

Where you place your attention is where you place your energy than you're giving your power away to that person. So lower the volume to that emotion, overcome the addiction. You'll take your attention of that personal problem and that energy that's coming back to you. And I actually build your own other's energy to heal others, energy to create. There is energy to design in the future yourself.

So lowering the volume to the emotion overcoming addiction is is is an art um because you go through that period of cravings where your body, which has been conditioned to be the mind, is telling you they come on just one memory, come on just do at once. And and and if people are White knockhill and and they don't want to do, and IT becomes like withdrawls give him something to do. Let me replace this emotion.

Let me replace the thought. I mean, we do something differently. I think IT helps IT. I think he move a little quicker that way.

I saw a study a little while ago about the boston marathon bombing, and they compared people who had actually been there during the bombing and that level of trauma response after the event to people who hadn't been. But i'd watched more than ninety minutes of news coverage about IT. The people who watched more than twenty minutes of news coverage about IT had a was more severe trauma response than people who are actually literally there while the bomb went off.

Yeah.

what is your perspective on a always on world with technology? With twenty four, our news, with social media, with screens. What you're talking about here is connecting to ourselves. We are in the world which is always trying to get us to connect to something else. Just how important is IT to disconnect?

Like he is super important, I think. Uh, uh, who controls the information? Controls the behavior of the masses, right? I think that's just the way IT is because information that causes us to be aware of something. So if you accept that information is the truth, you get to collect the group of people all behaving in the same way.

So wow what what an amazing time in history right now because if you look around, so many different paradigms are collapsing around us and and wow it's is a crazy time uh uh to to be alive. So um I I don't know what information honestly to trust anymore. There's just so much information out there and and I think that well I think that I think there are motives for self interest in the world um that aren't arena genuinely good for human beings.

So um I think it's important for people to common, to connect, to bond, to interact in thirty um reality. That's why we do our vents in person because something emergent happens in a collective group of individuals that comes together. We've measure the energy in the room is something something emerges that wasn't there before.

When you show up in your community, community is the answer. Um so so technology uh I think I think IT robs are IT robs our great pleasure center. So IT high jackets them to higher and higher levels.

And and I think technology causes us to get to a point where we can't find pleasure and anything except that little device that people are putting their attention on. And uh, we do this, our events, we watch people, you know they're just they don't even know that they are addicted to that device until they have to sit all day and not not think about IT. And then when they finally realized how addicted they were to IT, when they've overcome in, they have a different recent for themselves.

So um I I respect technology a lot because all of my companies use IT in all kinds of wonderful ways. Um but if you can set that thing down and break away from IT owns you on some level and it's regulating uh your thoughts and feelings a very high level. And so the problem that i've had technology with Younger people is that when you when you blow up a nation or you punch somebody, or you break through a certain level, or you overcome something, there is an enormous release of dopamine in the brain.

The pleasure centers are just dumping doping, but that quantity of doping is not Normal for the brain. So the receptor sites closed down because, like living with a spouse that always yells at you, you just close down and get sensitized to IT. Well, that means in the next time you play, you got to use you to create more dopa mean to switch the system, you switch that on.

And so over time. Um you can hide, jack, those pleasure centers to a really high level. So the problem might have with that is that learning should be a reward in and of itself a and and if you just did almost crazy things on a device in your brain is stimulated to that point, um you can't turn IT on when that comes time to learning. And you can learn without stimulation. I remember the first .

time that I started getting into meditation and reading. I have tried to do a lot of pivots all at the same time, and I would sit down on my cushion at my old house in newcastle, and i'd had my hands in my lap, and my body would move a little bit like that. And I realized that I was just so used to raw stimulation.

And I would start to read a book that is black and White text on a piece of paper that doesn't move. There's no beings or bonds or vibrations or notifications coming down from the top. And my body felt a agitated, I felt agitated looking at this page because I was such a stimulus and trying to IT.

Took probably a over a year, took over a year for me to actually be able to sit down and feel that is a pleasurable experience or not, one that was agitating because I was. And then you get this sort of second order effective. Oh my god, how stupid is IT that I can sit in front of this page? I'm so stupid. Like what a piece of shit that I have. I've managed to condition myself.

I can't learn anymore. I can't learn anymore. And then that's your for making actually not conscious that you're saying that but your affirmation is I can't learn in more, i'm not good enough, whatever that's your affirmation. You're actually .

believing that I am and then you believe above you have what a piece of shit I am that I think the thought I can't believe and oh my god, I smart. I am sort of person that thinks i'm a sort of person that thinks that I have this thought, this infinite, regressive turtles all the way up.

feeling bad about feeling bad.

Yeah, yeah. Black about the degree master at that.

Well, well, I think there is this. I think I think there's a limit to multitasking and I think changing your attention so quickly on a device becomes libitum ated.

So you people attention spans have shortened uh a just an enormous degree um but what what I think is so important uh is, uh we do this work or we synchronised the heart to the brain and and that when the heart and the brain is synonyms, ed, they're actually exchanging information, same frequency, the same entry freeze ency Carries information harton brain or synchronized. Now the heart starts to inform the brain, the brain may think, but the heart knows. And so getting those two systems um in baLance a lot of times allows us gain information from within us. And I think um you know um I don't know about you, but there's a lot of information that I just am not sure of anymore massively.

I mean, the interesting thing has been as we've got more information IT hasn't made people Better informed IT to make them more uncertain yeah because the multiplicity of inputs has resulted in so many different points of view that no one can agree on what is what anymore. Here.

go back to the boston marathon. There's a lot of information that you're watching. This actually worse than new being there? Is IT as IT really? Is that even real? You know who knows? I mean, it's it's a huge uh, interest of mind because I I I just I think you can program people to do anything. Now i'm absolutely certain .

of IT relationships seem to be in interesting sandbox for patterns to appear in. There's something about being with somebody else that draws you out of yourself. You can't. You are pushed in ways that you on your own wouldn't what are some of the patterns that people should be conscious of when they are in relationships with others?

I think one of the biggest ones is, uh uh you should make me happy. It's not a conscious belief. It's a subconscious belief um and um only when you're happy, i'm happy that's another uh chAllenging uh uh program to be in um and and I I really think that you know for I think we late with everything we late with people know we relate intimately um but we have uh emotions that we share that uh with different people and when we share emotions we share information, we share energy right so so in a relationship um is as long as a two people are evolving in the same have the same interest and evolving in the same direction. Um I think there's there's a lot of growth that can take place.

And and I think after the honeymoon stage wears off in a relationship and and now you're back to yourself for your routine self. Um I think people who do we learn a lot about themselves, a lot about other people that they didn't know before. And so I think it's really important for people to show up in a relationship and bring their best.

That just should be that just should be the deal that they may. I'm just going to bring my best and when I can't, uh uh um if I don't, I excuse myself and i'll get there again or um if I ask you, you will you tell me the truth, don't tell me on this, I ask you um but if I ask you, tell me the truth. So I think there's ways to grow off of each other um in all kinds of relationships.

But IT doesn't have have to be an intimate relation. IT could be all kinds of relationships with. Some people just have friends they love to suffer or siblings they love to feel guilt with or parents they love to feel guilt with, where enemies they love to hate.

And but that if that enemy dies, although, pick another one, so they can still feel hate, right? So we have relation ships, I think, that are based on emotions. And emotions are the end product of experience.

So, uh all all men are this way or all women this way, we are because we've both have the same experience, we share the same emotion um we can relate to one another um and that's what happens along the times when people change. There are no longer suffer any longer, there no longer unhappy any longer, there are no longer feeling victimized any longer. And they break their emotional agreements with people.

And and that's because they're not the same person any longer. And and those relationships change as a result of you. You got to be wild, got wild.

Do that as possible as strange thing as if you're not already willing to show up for yourself, are capable of showing up for yourself and making changes for yourself. What makes you think that you know how to step in when it's you for somebody else or when you're trying to work out whether somebody else has your best interest at heart when you don't have your best interest .

at yeah I think I think um all is a lot to be said about that. But but um um if if two people will support each other on those blind spots, I think I think there can be a lot of growth that goes along with them.

We want somebody who makes you more of what you want to become.

I think people are in relationships that they they go into a relationship to be happy, right? I mean, is people say I want love, or why do you want love? I want love because I want to be happy.

I want to be happy with somebody. okay? Well, there's nothing wrong with that. That means you have to become happy in order to be in that relationship. Because if you're unhappy and you know in that relationship, more than likely you're not gna be happy soon or later.

What role does spirituality have in science?

Um I think science now has in in my world has become the contemporary language of mister ism. I think it's signs that dimensions es the mystical then if you can use different uh branches of signs that demonstrate possibility, right I think the moment you use religion or tradition or culture or even spirituality, you say word, you're onna divide audience because everybody has their own experience of that word, the own definition of that word.

And a lot of times people turn off little. So so, so we work really hard and remaining everything in the in the model of of a scientific understanding uh so that I think science creates community. Um so I think it's the language of of of mister ism. And so um the research that we're doing specifically interested in in dismissed fine where IT takes to to to to change in, uh we have a lot of information that kind of filling in the gaps that was once considered spiritual or um metaphysical um and and i've been at this a long time and and i've been accused of being a little scientist.

You know you can call me that I can say that any longer the science to say that is absolutely the truth, right? So um I think uh the discoveries that you make when you have a hypothesis and the the outcomes are actually really support of that hypothesis um IT changes your belief and and we have we have scientists that I really, really respect that are running experiments five, six, seven times in a row because they are actually thinking they're onna get a different result. They're changing their belief right in that moment I say to them, why did you get in the science? And they're like for discovery. I well well here discovering something new, and it's unbelievable.

So they rerunning thinking.

this can't be right. This can be right. This, there's no way this could like you like. This is a.

like this cannot be, is a scientist. That was particularly hard, one in terms .

of our head of research, head of research hammer that runs our research. But he's the head. He was not he was open to the idea, but he was going, you know, he wasn't very he didn't really believe in and and now he says, in my freezer, I hold the cure for all diseases.

And his lectures are about the evolution of the species. Is is A A scientist with over two hundred published papers. He cannot believe the outcomes in in the cool part about IT is not like a small percent of this part of the parade low is actually enhanced. And you know fifteen percent of the people who did the study and and this one standard deviation about them, that's that's not what we're seeing.

You know like you know when we saw of data with with a uh the cancer studies that we were doing, and we were seeing one one particular uh, person, we were studying his blood that I was taking all this meta country of functional way in cancer cells, we said, okay, let's do now let's do a community. Let's do A A group of ants meditators and see if the information in their blood as well. Eighty four percent of the people eighty four percent of the people that um we studied, uh the the plasma a had a dramatic effect on pack.

We had cancer cells, breast cancer cells, all different types of cancer cells is eighty four percent that's up high percent is so again, you wants to talk about dismissed fine uh through science uh that means on some level the information in their blood is coming from somewhere and it's not coming from uh, anything outside of them is coming from within them. So that is that is quite mystical. And the conversations that i'm having with the scientist now in the studies that we're doing, I really are bridging the gap between some of the things that were considered, you know, mystical in somewhere or maculate.

But in order to have a macular events, you have to chAllenge convention. And if you chAllenge convention, you you're considered a fool. You know, it's full hot.

It's insane. Pull IT off though. Now you're genius. Now you're saint. Now you're missing.

So so we're seeing, uh, people in this work have really amazing testimonials. They stand on the stage, they tell their story. They are the example of truth.

People are watching the audience, people the whole entire audiences that is leaning in. They're leaning in because there we're looking at truth and is coming from a story and it's not elegant and it's not nice. And they've got sick and they lost a lot of things.

They went bank pt and but they but there's a there's A A lot of really powerful information that's being told in that story. The stories of people are gardening are actually causing them to become a work that happened to them. Take that. And combining with all the scientific ata that we have in evidence becomes the loud as voice, the evidence and testimony, the evidence and science says that IT actually is possible.

And I and I don't want people, I don't want him to forget IT that's why we're doing this the all the scientific research I don't want them to forget um that when they do change the internal state, that IT has profound effects on their health and on their biology. So so the science is removing the doubt for a lot of people, and and I think that's really important. People that tend to be cognitive, that tend to be rational, that tend to be left brain, has to be reasonable.

We take them on a journey, you know. And by the way, we have great scans to show that people who come primarily men, by the way, that come on, they're just like, I don't buy this. I don't even like the guy know like that um and we but their wife stacking, the partner stacking, they come and their heart sall open and they're saving and their happy and they are free.

And and and my wife just could cannot believe and and the guys like many of them were like and ever meditated before I would say you're perfect. You're perfect. You're going to do exactly what I tell you to do exactly what we have to do.

And they have these because they have no existing patterns of meditation .

or expectation or anything. I medals for twenty years. Well, okay, well, so we see these people that just come with no expectation.

What about mentality?

Our data shows, Chris, that if you don't expect anything to occur, the unexpected happens hundred percent of the time. And when that unexpected happens, we look at the brains of those people. They look like their own Sullivan.

They look like they're on a uh, allusions, generic. And yet they're not taking anything. The brain just looks like they're a whole mystical world. It's cool.

What's your thoughts on psychiatric and the role? Have you guys considered trying to somehow weave what you do in with the and engineering a state of mda therapy? Very good for lowering that sort of safety threshold. Ld, making people feel a little bit more comfortable going into difficult places. Same goes for catching and .

psychotherapy. Yeah okay. So here are my thoughts on IT.

Um I think if you use plant medicine and you use IT, uh with the intention of giving you another perspective about yourself or your life for your past, and you go into IT with that intention, you go into IT to to understand our to learn and and make a reference and there's rituals and the ceremony and you can get really into the experience I and have an intention. I think it's great. I think it's great.

You just used a few times, and I had great moments. But but i've also seen people, you know, when I did my first one, I SAT next to some woman, and I said, how many of you done? This was my first one. He said, I done sixty three and he said, I have cancer and I said, oh, well, um you might want to try something else you know, like, I mean, h IT didn't work as sixty three. You know, a ceremony is .

time sixty four right? Number of sixty four is the one yeah of course.

And then we've seen a lot of of the veterans that we work within the navy seals and prisoners now we do a lot of work and prisoners now um we see the same exact thing that that that the the're stock and and the traumatized. Um so um anybody change the person uh in in one state or another and get them uh beyond the trauma in some way um and and well there's amazing changes that that can actually take place in a person. So must be interesting .

for you with somebody who's more familiar than probably almost anybody on the planet of highest states of consciousness, experiences of observing them, other people of thinking about them yourself, of all of the rest of IT, to then take probably the most reliable form of kind of catapulting you. You ve got to the person .

then who does the the the the drug or the cademy or whatever, the point of making us that they return back into their life and there's they're still living the same life. The insight never changed behavior, right? So when we start looking at the derivatives of melatonin that are secreted from the pinion land, um we're mesh.

We're going to start measuring those actual indulgence substances that the opinion grand makes that is die method trip to mean and all of its derivatives, uh, that are is manufactured in the body. So if we're seeing people's brains look like they're having a full on mystic experience, then there should be information course. So where this an event in san ago in in march, we're going to start measuring those exogenous substances in.

The question is that you really need them know that you really need that exotic substance. And I think it's great. I think it's getting another perception of the world, another perspective of life. I think it's I think it's great, but that the person really hasn't changed doesn't really, really doesn't help them.

Is that instrumental? So but when people do have their own internal experience without any exhAusting of substance and all of the derivatives are released and they fit in the same recept sites and people understand how to activate those late systems, um I think it's way more profound for the person because it's not chemically induced. It's it's the person doesn't feel IT doesn't feel chemical, I ve just say feels electric and feels very electric, very as a very electric.

The idea of spiritual bypass, of going to have this peak experience in the amazon rainforest store, in the office somewhere in the nice cushy room and then coming back and not doing the integration are not making any changes. And then just saying, okay, i'm just gna go back and have to peak experience again over, over and over. I have a good friend who wait before I was trendy, had taken pretty much everything from a psychiatric standpoint.

And I keep asking him is one of my most insight ful friends keep asking, what are you? You been using these things? You use them so long.

Have you not got any temptation to go back? He says. I'm still learning so much from what I did back then. And there's a lot of respect i've awful a lot of respect for someone that sure i've done the work and i'm still doing the integration well.

That s that sounds like his personality type anyway is very inquisitive. So I mean I know people do a lot of um um D M T and a lot of a lot of those uh substances or uh some the other ones and and IT takes them years to be able to explain what has happened to them in. And they said they lived, felt like eternity and they were gone for for five minutes. And so so those derivatives that are actually indigenously made in the brain, you know, from that little tiny class that's in the back of your brain um that causes an inner vision, a profound inner vision uh causes you see the part of reality that that you're unaware of you know that part of you that that that that you don't know about um and so that that but by releasing those particular derivative in in from malta .

in and we set we have data .

that is melotte in so key um because trip the fan is an menu acid and trip the fan a makes uh makes serotonin serotonin makes melatonin k serotonin militant a are function of this wavelength th, a frequency called visible light. So when there's light outside your eye is picking up information from your environment and the brains switching on on the opinion lands making saton's and that's the daytime and a transmitter.

The inhibition of light or the absence of light is the loss of the wavelengths of light. And serotonin converts and to meet on and and that kind of slower brainwaves down and put you into a state of catatonia a so you can rest, repair, sleep and dream. And so the body moves into this kind of dom, call the cydia rythm between wakeful ness and sleep based on the wavelength th of how much light is in the day and and when the light is gone.

So um that's Normal, but it's a function of light. So when people are in a transient dental state and now they're connecting to frequency, connecting the energy that's transcendent of space and time faster than the speed of light quantum, and their brain is actually connecting through the pinion of land of a little radio receiver in the brain, melatonin camp miton on in any longer because it's only related to the frequency in the wavelengths of light. Now you're picking up a faster frequency.

Melatonin upgrades. And melatonin already causes you to dream. But now you're going to a really dream, like Lucy dream. Melotte a is already a powerful any oxide.

You're to make two of the most powerful, any accidents known, demand anti cancer, anti aging, anti heart disease, anti stroke, anti neurotic, genetic anti and flaming anti robo. Take the molecule tweak again, again, malta, and already relax, relaxes. You know, you going to make bento disappoint now you're going to really relax. You're shut down the survival centres in the brain for fear, for pain, for aggression.

Um a military already causes you are sleep and how you going to make chemicals and causes you to hydrate like body's gona move into spaces, no sex drive, no appetite, no pre occupation with the environment the body is moving into a state of status that you'll forget that you even have a body that's a great way to experience another dimension. Take the module tweet again as the same chemical found in electric OS. What is an electrical aldo IT creates amlie ation of a nervous system.

So we see these high amplitudes of gama on that, I mean very high, like very outside of Normal. So the person then uh is is connecting to energy and frequency that they can't. Percy, with their front senses, they die down their thinking brain, they're suggestible to information.

They're connecting to frequency. Frequency Carry information. The piegan is a transport CER. IT takes the information like A, T, V. And tanna, and turns IT into a picture in the brain.

And so now melatonin produces all these derivatives that fit in the same recept sides, like satan in military. But it's it's going to create a whole different experience for the person. So instead of them just getting dimethyl p to mean are getting the whole package of these rivers m, we're just starting to measure them.

And so we see that trip to fan ma taboo, lisa is elevated. And our meat on the meditators that we measure, which means that means the people events using trip to fan very are using as much as I possibly can a to make these, uh, some of these drivers. So will we have devices now that will be measuring some of these derivatives? Just see if it's the truth .

talking about dreaming and going to sleep. I've heard you discuss the importance of just before bed and just after waking as an opportunity to investigate what's going on a new unconscious mind. why? Why are those windows so important?

It's it's really related to their toner millions ona. Because when you are sleeping and you wake up, your brain waves go from delta to theta to alpha to beta, and you wake up in the morning and in your conscious and your awake and your back and three dimensional reality when you go to bed at night and there's last light, your brain starts making military and you go from baie to alph dated to delta and so um when you move from bated to alpha, you you stop your animal combine.

And when you suppression and algerine stop thinking and we stop thinking, your brain moves into alpha. So when you go to bed at night, what you do, you kind of get in bed, you get comfortable and you think of nothing. You stop thinking and you go to sleep and you can slide down the scale. And if you can stop thinking, you can go to sleep because .

your brain waves .

stay and obsess, and you overthink and you get all you in a loop, right? So there's two times the door to the subconscious mind opens up when you wake up in the morning and when you go to bed at night. So those are really key times um if you want to reprogram um your subconscious mind.

So i'm an early riser. I like the morning. I'm like early, early morning. IT doesn't bother me to get up in fanta. IT doesn't bother me because I know that i'm going to sit my body up and i'm not going to let IT sleep a linger between those worlds of wakeful ness and sleep. And we write a program rehearsal to script.

right? And what does that look like? What's the opportunity? How can people take advantage of that opportunity that Perry sleep .

and Perry waking window, that non sleep the breast state is? We just have great data on this is it's it's the most important time for you to regenerate, to repair, to program the automated ic nervous system, to reprogram a behavior, a habit, unwanted you know, emotional response. The door is wide open.

When you're in beta, you're separate from the Operating system. You can't get in there. So you've got to be able to get get in.

That says what we do in in the work. We get people from bated alpha OK going away from bated to alf OK state off a state of a state alpha. Now practice relaxing in your heart, really relaxing more, and really relax into your body. And light, sleep, but stay, wake. And so in that realm, you you can, you can connect the energy information and you can rewrite a program.

And so if you're a night person, like, I have plenty of people in my life that are night people, their musicians or artists, you know, writers, and where they just, they just like eleven o'clock to two in the morning and song, right, just that that's jam, right? And then they're other people who are just like Operate and they their morning person or they like doing that in the morning so there they they do IT in the morning, but IT doesn't matter, just whatever you choose uh to get in that to get in that state and is not something that you really have to try to do, this is something that bring naturally does you can take advantage of IT say, okay, um how what's my best what's the greatest idea of myself? Tomorrow i'm going to show up, what am I learned from today, and I want to stop doing, only remind myself of what i'm not going to do tomorrow.

Remind myself of what i'm not going to think. Let me remind myself of how not gonna me review these we remembers. So I don't forget.

how do you avoid that becoming too unlikely of an exercise because I can see how that could kick you back up into those more. Yeah.

it's a practice. It's a practice. I mean, it's it's, it's the observation ation of self really you asked the question and you observe what the accuse.

You just gone through some questions that what would be some great questions for people to ask ourselves before bed and morning?

I do today. How do I do today? Like if you have an intention for the day, I mean, you can do this unless in the game you got to get other bleachers, you got to get on the playing field, is no, are this is where people leave the dinner table because is really actually have to do something.

So, so what is the, how did I do today? What was, you know, when that I fall from Grace? What are my triumph? What did I, what I always like, Victorious with what I love about myself?

Let me get my thin box. Let me get this all worked out. Okay, now i'm not asking you do any meditation.

I'm just asking to getting your thinker x while you're in the state and getting your think box is like asking yourself the question, okay, got, I reacted to this person. I felt this way. Okay, I just, I don't want to react that way.

You can remind myself of how i'm not gonna act me around myself for what I did. Let me just review how I was thinking. Let me become conscious that, okay and I think box, I got that down. okay.

Um what am I going to do tomorrow differently? What am I going to work on? I'm going to am I going to be tomorrow? How i'm going to think to what do I want to believe? Review this thought and fire and wired in my brain and get IT to the point where actually put an intention of feeling behind this belief.

Okay, how am I going to behave tomorrow with my co workers? Know whatever. How am I onna feel more of me. Just review that now getting your think box and go over all of that. And then when you get in your playbox, you're out of your thinking box. There's no thinking in your play box, there's get all that thinking worked out in your thinkable x when you get time to play um that's when you surrender, that's when you open up, that's when you get creative. That's when you let her go and you go to sleep.

What about first thing in the morning?

First thing in the morning. What's the greatest idea of myself that I can be today? What's my jam today? I, what am I gonna do today? Then remind myself of the things I want to change about myself.

I can. It's too hard. I'm never gonna. Uh, um i'm not going to complain today.

I know, I know i'm going to blame anybody. I'm not onna judge anybody. This is what I going to remind myself so I don't go unconscious.

If I start feeling this emotion, you go with default to this emotion. I'm not onna. Think possible.

Keep my energy up. My energy up all day to day. I'm not going to do that that. okay.

So what do I want to feel? Let me start practice. Me teach my body what I feel is like, let me bring up the feeling. So many times I can bring that up on my own. I wanted remember this feeling, so I don't forget IT.

Okay, how do I want to behave me? How I going to be? How am I going to think? What do I want to program and and start off?

If your personality creates your personal reality and makes sense, then if you're going to create new personal reality, get to change your personality. That's the first step, right? And I think most people try to create A A new personal reality as the same personality.

IT doesn't work. We got to become somebody else. So that's what the word meditation means. That means to become familiar with, to become so conscious of your unconscious self that you don't go unconscious to IT. You're so familiar, you're so conscious of your unconscious thoughts, behaviors and emotions that you wouldn't default and become familiar with a new self. You know, how are you going to think how you're going to act and how you're .

going to feel that that's the process if you to design a daily routine or elements of a daily routine that are accessible and based on what your research and your experience is come up with are the most powerful so that people could tactically get moving on this stuff. What would what would be in the top three?

okay. Um uh certainly uh the basics, what I just talked about, that whole thing, personality and personal reality, change your personality, how you think, how you act and how you feel. If I do change the way I think, change where I act, change where you my life should change.

That's the first experiment. okay? Second experiment, if you're living and stress, and you're living in survival, and you're living your brain and body out of baLance, then your brains out of baLance, it's incoherent.

You're incoherent. So practice this kind of focus that we call abroad. focus. Focus on nothing. We have these meditations twenty minutes.

Your brain starts the different compartments of the brain that were modulated or compartmentalise ed, or divided because of the harmonies of stress. They start synchronising. They start firing together, thinking and linking in the brain and cell. The act of doing this causes the whole entire brain are to beat at the same rythm to all networks are whole.

Where can people get that meditation on the website.

on my website and and then we teach a lot of heart coherence to and kitch heart back into baLance as well. Another fifteen, twenty and medication. And then and then there's one where you get them both working together, synonyms ed your heart to your brain. I think um what happens for a lot of people is um uh they start realizing that they actually can create that state where they feel good without anyone or anything. So um you want to be able to to be in that field or be in that energy, uh, when you when you move around in your life, easy ones, really easy ones to I mean, once that anybody can do.

what are you working your .

next we have a documentary um that's going to be coming out really soon. Ah IT really is about a lot of the science that we've done. Um it's coming along really well. Um the people have viewed IT um you know as a pilot, uh really enjoyed IT, so that'll be something that will be letting out. Um we have tons of more research um that we're constantly doing.

We have as I said earlier, we have at least four or five papers that we're working on working with prisons now um in mexico, we've trained to close to two thousand people in a few prisons in mexico, maybe more than that now a men and women's prisons. We just did our first two um courses at santino. We have another uh prison were working within.

Are you going in personally to do that?

Now I have trainers that go .

would would you be interested in going in and working inside of the prisons would be an experiences for me.

Of course. I'm i'm onna go to to the the big in in mexico city. I mean, these are very tough conditions in the warden is so impressed with these people all the changes that they've made.

I mean, these are people that are at each other throats and they are they are constantly and survival there. They had some brutal past. They were a raised by monsters and they became one so um with no hope.

And and now that we did our first training three years ago in the changes were so dramatic in this woman's prison, I mean, they were grooming one another, they were laughing, totally connected, that all the other prisoners in the prison thought, what happened to those people. And so they, they push the, the, the, the administration we wanted to the whole prison. And so then we did all the men, then we did all the guards, and then we did all the administrators. And then this one worden, uh, at this one prison, this this amazing woman had has did the has done the whole, the whole entire prison. So um yeah we're working with prisoners were working with indigenous tribes now, which has been kind of fun to and yemen and of course the veterans and navy seals tell a doctor joe .

spends a ladies and gentleman, why should people go? They want to keep up today with all .

of the things you're doing. Yeah just the websites doctor just spends a outcoached.

Joe, I really appreciate you.

Thank you for the thank you, Chris.