#755 - Dr Phil - What Happened To The Education System?
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IT seems like you're throwing yourself into the fix of IT here. You're pushing back against a lot of ideas that are very popular in your industry of mainstream media .

that feels a bit of warzone sometimes IT does a IT seems like the more common sensical I get, the more iran tal people's cages. But that's okay. I'm used to IT a .

source study recently of illinois public schools in twenty twenty two that found zero students passed the state math proficiency test that fifty three public schools, almost all of whom majority black and at one school is a prep school designed to prepare students for their medical careers. The per students spending forty seven thousand and dollars for reading at only thirty schools, and only one out of ten kids or less can do math at a grade level in one hundred and thirty schools, which is more than a quarter of all of the schools in the state. What do you thinks happening with academia?

Well, that's a complex question that a requires a complex answer. But I can tell you the result of IT is as a country, we are certainly not leading academically the way we have in the past, whether it's math, science, reading, uh, whatever word is simply not, uh, leading the charge.

And I can add to what you said by saying that nationally, uh, over thirty percent of fifth graders can't read at the most basic level, uh, thirty percent of eighth graders can't read at the most basic level. But what's happening is they're continuing to get passed on to the next grade and the next grade and the next grade. And that's happening, I guess, because they get paid for passing.

The kids is moving on to the next grade, but I mean, if you're not reading on grade on grade level at the third or fourth grade, your chance of dropping out before you graduate goes up like four times Normal um and if if and there are some groups that goes up six times dorma, so if we can at least get these kids reading, we're in a lot of trouble educationally in this country. And IT doesn't seem like anybody's got a good plan to do anything about IT because it's being acknowledged um kind of superficial tly but nobody does anything about IT. Well.

kids are going to school unless there's some secret attendance rate changes that i've not seen kids are attending. You know from whatever is nine m until three thirty pm, they are in classrooms with the teacher and the teachers saying things to them. I don't understand what is happening if basic reading and math competence isn't being met.

Well, a lot of these school systems have adopted programs of of teaching subject matters that just simply didn't work. And there was no empirical data to suggest that I would work. But yet they spent millions and millions of dollars on these teaching programs that just simply don't work.

But they've embraced them. They've spent money on them. They have put time into them, but they're not yielding the results.

What these what are these programs?

What are they? Well, their programs that they buy commercially, somebody comes up and I said, okay, we're to were going to take this approach to teaching reading you know, whether it's fanatics here or it's another word structure here or it's it's a math approach here and you have to look at this stuff uh, to see, okay, we have a competency level when we start.

Then you get to the other end and you say our at this check competency and see how much they've gained in terms of competency on an objective task, not one administered by the vendor, but on an objective test, how much competency have they gained, how much have they masters the subject matter? And if it's if it's not a substantial increase, then they need to do something different. And when you talk about lenoir and they're using the state test and it's not showing, uh, competency with these kids, you can continue to do the same thing.

And there are a lot of these programs out there that this simply aren't showing competency from state to state. And they need to change. They need to do something different.

Now one of the things that i'm concerned about is when covered hit, there were some really bad decisions made that created bad results, mainly emotionally, developmental, socially, educationally um that those gaps have not been closed. Some progress has been made but not near enough to close that gap. So if they weren't doing great to begin with and then they shut the schools down for two years and create a gap, and that gap has not been closed.

Now you've got kids that are gonna really be frustrated in being behind a curriculum, and so they wind up being demotivated. And I think IT was a bad decision to shut IT down the way they shut IT down. I said so at the time, I say so now and I think we're going to pay the Price for that. This generation is gonna behind um for their entire life if something doesn't happen to close the gap yeah .

you say the trends that we're seeing and the result of society's natural evolution, but they've been unquestioningly designed to undermine our society in general and the family unit in particular. If that's right, who is designing them?

Well, IT depends on which area you're talking about. Let's talking about, for example, both an unintended consequences unintended consequences um I think for example, if we recognize that right now, we're seeing a generation that is dealing with the internet, the technology of the smart phone, the technology of um ipads and access to information that a generation ago simply wasn't there.

Now some of this is by design, some of that is unintended consequences. Um for example, I started the doctor fill show in two thousand and two. I started being an on television several years before that.

But when I started the doctor feel show, the first text message had never been sent there. There were any text messages is he wasn't a thing. They didn't do that.

Think how much things have changed since the end, because about o eight, o nine, it's like big airplanes flew over the united states and is dropped smart phones on this society. And I think that was the biggest change, 也 in the human race since the industrial revolution。 Think about what happened with the industrial revolution.

Up until that point, we were very much an agricultural society, right? We farmed. We, we grew the food kids that we ate, and that was the cycle.

And so like ninety five percent of society, uh, was agricultural. Okay, then you move forward twenty five years and maybe it's drop now. But then when the industrial revolution hit everything that mechanized people moved into the city and a lot of changes took place.

Nothing has changed the human race like that until the advent of the internet in the smart phone. And when that smart phone hit and we're walking around with computers in our hands, what happened? Everybody went to walk around like this, to walk around like this, and Young people stop living their lives and started watching other people live their lives.

And something happened when that occurred. They started comparing their lives to the lives they were watching, lived down on the internet, on social media platforms. And so they started comparing themselves.

What they didn't realize is the lives they were watching were fiction. They were fantasies, these influences that we have. And I can't tell you how many i've had on that, say, yeah, i'll post things up, say, okay, i'm gona wear this.

I'm gona wear that. I'm going to the N. B.

A. All star game tonight. I'm doing this. I'm doing that. They put all those closed on and they take all those videos.

They post them all up, then they take those clothes off. They take him back to the store and get a refund because they couldn't afford to buy him to begin with. They aren't go to the envy star game to be, to start with, this is all a fiction.

So this kids sit and watching you like, you know, who am? I'm nothing. I'm not going to any all star game. I don't have those kind of clothes.

And so their self a steam takes a beating and they're comparing IT to somebody is doing the same dam thing they're doing, which is sitting home in a big bag e and chaos. They're doing the same thing as other person is, but they don't know that because they're sixteen. So their self a steam takes a beating.

Their self worth takes a beating. And they don't have friends because they're watching lives lived inside, living their own in the average teenager has like one or less really good friend because their lives are being live virtually okay. So you that maybe an unintended consequence.

You said, okay, so who is IT that's got these conspiracies that are after us? Well, let's look at the social media companies. For example, people know that their kids spend too much time on social media.

What they don't know is that those are driven by algorithms, and those algorithms are feeding these children content that is designed to upset them. They're not giving them content they want to see. They're not giving them content that uplifts them.

They're giving them content that upsets them mentally and emotionally. why? Because that gets them clicking more. And the more they click, the longer they're on, the longer that they're on, the more ads they can run by them, the more ads they run by them, the more shared ref they have.

So they have been studies done where they'll put a thirteen year old girl up because IT meets the requirements and they'll just put her name up and within minutes, she's getting toxic content about losing weight or doing this or doing that, they'll put the same profile up. And in the description, they'll say weight loss and the amount of toxic content that algorithm feeder goes up six times, eight times, ten times as much. SHE starts getting feedback about four hundred calories.

Diet SHE starts getting anorexic aside. SHE starts getting all kinds of things fed at her, and SHE starts click, click, click, because it's making her anxious and upset. Now that is by design, and there's no consideration for the welfare of the child who they know.

IT creates anxiety, IT creates depression and IT gets the kid hooked in. And now they're addicted to the content. They're addict to to the phone.

IT pulls them away from their family. And the longer they're on there, the more except they are to predators, the more suspect table they are to these other influences. And that's eroding the overall fiber of the family. So all of these things combine, uh, you've got people that they start dating later, they start driving later.

They all the things that we did at a Younger age when I was fifteen, a years old, three hundred and fifty five days and twenty three hours, I was down to dmv, wait to get my graver's license. Now they're not any big hurry because they're not really engaged in the world. That's not a good thing.

Yeah IT seems like most of the information that people get on the internet at the moment is built not to teach them about the world or tell them anything that's true, but to just be the most viral memetics absorb able messaging. That they can. And what you see with this is messages that are the most viral, the ones that go to further, not the ones that are the most accurate.

A good example of this would be a amErica is a bad country, is is uniquely cursed or toxic or or maline in some way. And you put a really interesting study up about patriotism on the decline, and that's just falling through the floor. So a tiny, a tiny amount compared is like half less than half of what he was only a short while ago.

Yeah, that's shocking. Uh um that's that's shocking. And and that's troubling to me because I love this country. I mean, I really do is IT perfect. Of course not.

I mean, we've we've got things we need to work on, but I love this country and I love IT enough to acknowledge that there were problems with IT um but there are things that we need. We need to acknowledge them in order to work on them um but there are things that you put on your to do list. It's not things that you reject the entire american experiment because it's not perfect.

Is this things you put on you're to do this things that you want to do a Better job of um but ah i've said that I think a lot of these elite universities right now are not teaching critical thinking. Um you've got a lot of this ideology that is IT sounds to me a lot like socialism, seems to me a lot like marxism teaching that that we're going to be successful when we have equality of outcome. That's insane.

Like you're you never gonna a quality of outcome because you have different qualities of input. You have some people that work hard. You have some people that don't.

You have some people that are smart, talented. You have some people that aren't. You have different levels of input. You're gonna have different quality of outcome. And when you've got universities are teaching, which is seems to me to be a standing ly hypocritical, you've got elite ite universities that are charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for an a lead education, and in their teaching that there should be a quality of outcome, all of that three, why am I paying you hundreds of thousands of dollars for lead education?

If we're all supposed to come out the same, then what the hell I need to be paying you all this for? I just go hanging out on the quarter and we're all going to get the same thing. What do I need to be paid in you this for?

Well, the university definitely seem to be good at teaching students to be victims. Or that getting their feelings hurt by words and being injured by something that someone said to you should be a big deal. Yeah, and they're .

medal zing those feelings. Now we used to get our feelings hurts. So okay, sticks and stones right now, balls words, and they ever hurt me, but now they've medicalise that.

So when they say, okay, this professor asked me to write a paper that contrary to my value system and i'm offended. So i've now entered the offended ness sweepstakes and i'm telling you that that's mental and emotionally hurt me. So it's like the intentional infliction of emotional distress. You go file that complaint with the dean's office. They've now got to deal with that.

And so we've had more professors fired in discipline in the last several years then we've had since the mirtha era because the students have learned how to word all of this in such a way that IT has to be dealt with because of a student um commit suicide or hurt themselves in some way and the university didn't deal with IT. Now they have a liability problem. So professors are getting called up in that now some of them were jerks um some professors do jerky things and probably need to be but not as many as we're seeing now.

Yeah it's very interesting what happens when the bar still gets flip upside down. So typically in society, what you want is someone's reputation and their status to be associated with their competence. And this is because people who are competent available because they can do things, not the whole gaming of all of the different things that people can do that is constrained by your ability to do something.

In reality, you can't fake being more competent than you are because people will just able to show me, show me this degree of competence. But if status is afforded to the people who are biggest victims, you can fake that there is a bottom less pit of how low you can go with claiming victim. Or this is the degree of psychological distress are gone to.

This is the amount of trauma that i've suffered. This is the amount of whatever IT is. Two things happened there. First of IT creates a very dangerous, slippery slobs status game, because people can continue to just won up each other and make claims that unt ever checked in the real world. And the second thing is people who actually do go through difficult times, that part of a larger group of people, most of whom are made up of those that haven't actually been through something that justifies you, are lumping in together. People have been through really difficult times with people .

who just .

want to feel special.

And and IT is a right so mean, you you described, I mean, people are truly in a victim hood mindset and it's kind of like, well, I can not do you because I have this that is I, I, I have this claim that I could make. I came from this this background or I have this ethnicity or I have this in my in in my family background or whatever.

And if you start considering this and you start changing your yardstick, um you're in a lot of trouble because I can tell you if if we start lowering standards and there are some schools that grade someone on math, for example, um based on their willingness to learn IT, they're interest in learning IT what what does that even mean? Well, i've had an interesting conversation about that recently. Um there was a professor that I won't name.

I'll let him do that if he wants to um but he was talking about teaching black students and he is black, standard english and he caught all kinds of health because they said he was being oppressive and he said, no, no, I am not wanting to replace the way they communicate. I'm wanting to add to IT you. They can talk in away that they are in their neighborhoods in the way they've been brought up.

I just want to add a layer on that because if they go out into the world and they try to compete for jobs, they're going to need to speak the language of where they go. And he got hell for that. And then they were talking about relative math scoring.

And they're so you you have to grade them on their interest in learning IT. If if they don't care about IT, then you can't grade them on the same standard as someone that's interested in IT. Um well, that is absurd to me.

And look, I don't want to gain on an airliner and be flown by a pilot where they lowered the standard because they didn't have the background to mass to the skill set. I don't want to have brain surgery by someone who they lowered the standard for anatomy and physiology courses because they didn't get the proper background to prepare them for IT. And they just fired IT in Y U.

Professor, after twenty or thirty years, because the students were winding that the course was too hard. I don't want to be Operated on by this. This was a premiere course.

I don't want to be Operated on by someone who complained that the course was too hard. So they fired the professor in brandies. Some hack that didn't require them to know everything they need to know about brain structure.

So now, uh, they're resident and they're gona do brain surgery on me. No, thank you. I don't want to do. I don't want somebody fighting a fire at my house that they lowered the standard on firefighting techniques because they didn't have all the opportunities as a child. I'm sorry, that's just not how you get by in this world.

The problem is that academia and the qualifications and the standards that people are brought to in academia are malleable. They can continue to be moved to the a, to b, the sea. All of this stuff can be positioned around to retrofit the desire, the motivation, the skill sets, the ability of the school.

The problem is, when you get into the real world, that bridge either stays up or IT doesn't, and that plane either stays in the sky or IT doesn't, and that brain surgeries, either a success or IT isn't. So yeah, you can continue to manipulate the standards to which students are being held up until the point at which they get into the real world. And as you say, you end up with some pretty some pretty squarely .

outcomes in the problem with that is these kids are being taught that IT is relative. It's not relative. You get out into the competitive world is like I grew up in athletics.

IT didn't matter who your parents were. I didn't matter what neighborhood you came from. They were instead.

And who could jup hist, who could run faster and who could knock somebody on their ass? That's what they were interested in, care about anything else. IT didn't matter.

That's and that's, that's what I loved about athletics. IT didn't matter how much money you had or who your parents were. IT just mattered who could get the job done on a given day.

And that was a real equalizer for me, because we were really poor. And when I stepped onto that field, IT didn't matter anymore. Everybody was the same.

You all started out the same, and that was a great equalizer. And and I think that's great. And these kids who don't have they don't show up having had the same experiences to get them ready for admission to that school.

If you're going to fix that problem, you need to go back at the beginning and fix that from P K. forward. Uh, they might be in neighborhood where the tax base is really low.

So they don't get good schools, they don't get good resources, they don't get good teachers. That's where you need to fix that. You don't lower the standards when they get there.

You go help those kids from the beginning. So when they show up, they are competitive. You know, all these schools have dropped the S.

A, T. Now because they say it's racially biased. The research says that's not true. The research says that S A T is an opportunity for those gifted kids in the intercity independent of their grades to show that they, in fact, are gifted.

And it's the one thing that can lift the amount of that and put them into that school because IT shows their native intelligence. But the schools won't reimplement IT because they will be judged if they do and they're more interested in virtue signal than they are actually helping those under privilege kids. That's the one thing that can prove them right back into that school.

Even if they don't have the grades, they have the native intelligence, the motivation and the learning ability. But they won't use the S A, T, because they are virtue segment. And it's on the no good list.

Well, IT tells you everything you need to know that the sa have been stopped, but legacy admissions haven't.

right? And research is very clear, the S A T helps those under private kids because that identifies those that have the brain power to jump up to that level.

What's the problem with inclusive language?

But it's got to the point of being ridiculous. There's there are some of these you you can't they're trying .

to .

so hard to not defend the victim class. So we can say women anymore. We've got to say bodies with vagina. You can say hip, he parade anymore. Because I could find people with a hippy injury.

Your kidding. That's not not a thing. That's not a thing.

That is a thing.

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missions office at some universities now you have to call the office of enrollment management. why? Because if you say admissions s office, that suggests somebody's going to be rejected.

So IT now has to be called a office of enrollment management. You can now say you you can now say rapist or murder. Suspect or convicted murder, you have to say justice involved person. So you weren't right. You were involved with a justice involved person.

Injustice involved person perhaps is wild.

You can't say, you can't say minority anymore. You have to say historically excluded.

I imagine the research for this book must have just been thrilling .

going through all, oh my god, bodies with vagina birthing people um here's a good one for you. Okay, here's a good one for you. Nimbly.

like the edge of a biscuit.

No, nimbly is a gender neutral term for your nieces and nephews. IT sounds like sibling, but it's nibble um and lunch and learn. You use to Brown bag, can't Brown bag anymore. It's lunch and learn.

I don't even know what that is but no no matter what IT is that? How just how widespread is this? Because we, i've seen these articles, i've seen these pieces about the insane you were the the demonstrating people, are that the humans with smaller feet, or whatever IT, is that you need to kind of repair pose? But just how widespread is this? Are these isolated incidents? What how big .

of a problem is IT? Well um it's pretty widespread in universities and fortune five hundred corporations. Yes, that's the problem. Uh Chris, you get into um you I spent twenty one years on the air cbs and i'm still involved with cbs.

I um a prime time show on thursday night night nine o'clock um so helped me tod we've got another one in preproduction nail um for their param out plus we've got other dramas and and all that we work on with them and um they are a lot of my library episodes still so i'm still in business with them. But you they have language police. I mean it's words you can't say, words you need to say. They sign their letters with plans. It's you, the things that you you you can no longer say amErica is the land of opportunity.

You can no longer say the most qualified person should get the job because those trigger people that might not be the most qualified so you can upset them uh and this is pretty rampant in major corporations and universities just like triggers warnings and you ask me earlier, you said, well, you know who is IT that's pushing this? Well i'm telling you who's pushing IT it's it's virtue signal corporations and universities um and they're the ones that are shaping of the minds of our Young people and hiring them with expectations. I know a university professor that got a ninety day suspension, I believe without pay um because he was talking to a student that came up with or was discussing a project and the the project design and he said, now that kind of way, I don't think we should do that the fact to use the word lime got suspended for ninety days.

IT makes me so uncomfortable because again, i've read these news articles online, but IT almost feels like fiction. IT feels like some crazy outlier event. That's not a big deal and I don't know anybody that's been a part of this.

And yet you've been exposed to them. You've had conversations with them. You've seen at first hand in your own industry. And I guess, you know, my two words have been promoting nightclubs and doing a podcast.

They may be the two final frontiers of free speech, because no one on the front door of a nightclub or on the podcast really cares all that much about trigger warnings. So to me, IT hasn't ended. Myspace IT almost seems like a fantasy. And yet you're saying that is happening .

in the real world. Well, I think it's something like eighty percent of the universities have engaged in trigger warnings. But you're not involved in IT because you're on trade erie.

You work for you and you don't hold yourself to that ridiculous yardstick, that ridiculous standard. Um and when you're on trade neuro, you're focused on results, not virtue siggins. And that's a great that's a great place to be. Chris. I know i've been entrepreneur all my life, so but if you're in a if you're in a CoOperation and you got a bunch, your board members and all that are really interested in signalling that they're really died in IT start spreading. And the universities are teaching this to our kids.

So a question that i've always heard, how much of what we're seeing in internally is coordination is part of some grand plan to try and take down america, or to undo the will of the people, or to confuse them, or to make them feel like victims or arms or whatever you might be. How much IT is that? And how much IT is just cautious from people who don't want to lose that are just Normal job anxiety? Or, well, this is the new matter.

This is the new mean that everybody needs to follow. This is toxic, compassionate, performative apathy. And this is what I need to do in order to be able to keep my job.

I don't want to lose my job, so i'll just comply. How much IT is coordination, do you think? And how much of IT is job aniele?

Well, I think these these fringe activists are very coordinated. I think they use bot armies. I think they scare people and threaten people. And I think a lot of people are like hate.

It's lot easier to just don't say anything, lot of easier to just keep my mouth shut, keep my head down and go on. But tell you what, I think that um that pindlin is starting to swing back the other way. And if you wonder if people are really buying and all of this, you can look and see how they vote when they can vote silently, like with their wallet.

Uh, you saw what happened at target when they had the tuck friendly um clothing for children, I mean up right there for children to walk by. You saw what happened with bad light, uh, when they pushed the transgender. And I think most people um are like, hey live in that live if this person is transgender and that's what they want to do, who am I to say what they shouted shouldn't do? But when you start pushing the agenda and say it's not enough that you're okay with what I do, I need you to stand up and announce that you endorse the us.

Is not enough that you just live and let live. You've gotta stand up and tell everybody that you endorse what i'm doing. Then there they're pushing to the point that people are going to say enough is enough and too much as too much.

You don't yet to tell me what i'm supposed to do. I don't I don't need you to endorse what i'm doing and don't demand that I endorse what you're doing. And I think that a lot of these activists do not speak for who they say they represent, because i've had a lot of people in these groups to say they are talking for me.

This sounds parallel ly close to what Jordan Petersen was warning everybody about six, seven, eight years ago, even. Well.

IT IT is in that he was saying that the canadian government is requiring that you use this language and even say, and I will not be compelled by the government to say what you're gona tell me, I should say. And that's not happening here. And it's even worse, I think, because we do have freedom of speech with the first amendment, we're muzzling each other that I mean this I feel like i'm in George whales hundred and eighty four.

Sometimes when i'm seeing us requiring each other to use certain language and certain words, we're doing IT to each other. Is not the government common and step in on our rights. It's we're muscling each other. We're requiring each other to do certain things rather than allowing people to do what they want to do.

What about the dangers of of a rewriting as well?

Well, you know they i've heard that referred to as woke washing and i've seen some of the books like coke berry fn who have which have been rewritten um and um uh IT changes the meaning of the book so much that they change the book so much that the meaning of the book is changed. And the whole my reading of the book was that IT was a commentary on racism at the time.

I mean, even when I was written, IT was IT would certainly be a criticism of of racism by today's standards. IT was a criticism of IT at the time and but they're gonna take that out. How how is a reader? A child is reading that book.

A teen is reading that book. Going to learn the lesson in the book if you take IT out. I I I don't understand that. I I I don't get that um IT doesn't make sense to me and I see them uh tearing down status and changing the names on some of the schools because these people owned slaves.

Once you have to now say in slaved person um two hundred and fifty years ago, well you know what that's something that I referred to in the book is presented. Sm not my term. I learned IT from someone else um and that very simply is taking today's standards Morris and folkways and applying IT to something that happened two hundred and fifty years ago as though two hundred fifty years ago they were supposed to say two centuries in the future this is going to be different.

So I need to force, tell the future and hold myself to that standard. Was that a bomb able behavior? Yes, of course IT was a bomb able behavior was in some was in our proud this moment in american history.

Of course IT was IT was terrible. The way these people were treated and and abused and sold IT was horrible. Do we want to hide that from our are are children growing up now and learning the history of america? You can hide that.

How are they going to learn?

That is the lesson, right? That is the lesson. I mean, they're tearing down status of of people that crafted the declaration of independence. They they tearing down laken route.

It's more than I can take sometimes, but presented ism is like, let's say, there's a street in your neighborhood and the speed limit is is twenty. So you drive through there twenty four days and days and days for months and months and months and then they come along and say, what we're going to change IT to ten. What you think lot of kids have moved in? neither.

We're going change IT to ten. So they come and give you a retrospective ticket for driving turnover. You wait to MIT IT. The speed limit was ten at the time, was twenty at the time.

Well, it's ten now, so we're giving you retroactive tickets because you were drive in twenty, but IT was twenty when I was doing in twenty, I know, but it's ten now. You shoud known we were gonna IT the tin so we're ticketing you for driving twenty when I was twenty. That's what they're doing now is like we're gona criticize you and tear on your statue because you were doing what was acceptable at the time because IT is not acceptable. Nail the yeah .

judging judging the people of yesterday by the standards of today, especially when the standard are moving unbelievably quickly, is never going to be a good idea. No one is able to live up to. In fact, very few people are able to live up to the standard of today from today.

This even I I have seen a lot of conversations online that people from the trands community, the L G B T. Community, talking about some of the different ways that they can be confusing to understand, pronounce or IT can be. I understand that it's chAllenging to. I get IT wrong as well. Is that, look, if you person who is supposed to be the arbiters of truth right now gets IT wrong, there's no surprise that people would have gotten this wrong previously.

The thing is interesting of the trend that I think seems new, genuinely, novels new, is how cemented people are in their beliefs, how much less open they seem to be about changing their mind, that if they have a belief that is intrinsic to their sense of self, they hold onto IT tightly. They do not want to change IT. If they do that, submitting failure and less like destruction and they can't deal with IT, how much truth do you think there is in saying that people are less open minded now than they were before?

Oh, I think they're very entry. I think it's confirmation bias. They look for what they look for what reinforces their existing belief, and they are really closed off to new information. Um and and you you said IT very well when you said it's it's changing so fast he is hard to keep up with the nail um if i'm doing a show that a has to do with the L G B T Q uh community, um I have researchers that check the glossary for what is preferred or acceptable.

Now even if I did IT a month ago because IT may have changed and look, I I want to be respect, respectful I mean, if if this is, if this is the language system they have, I I want to be respectful in describing IT. But I even said in the book I was, I said, I want to trying to describe this the way I think they look at this nail. And i'm not setting up a paper tiger.

I'm i'm going trying give you as real an explanation of how I think they describe sex versus gender now versus what they did before. And if i'm wrong, go to this website and check IT to get IT because i'm not i'm not trying to say this wrong, but in this day in time, what they try to do is catch. We used to say kiss somebody around hand IT.

Now we say catch somebody with the wrong word near mouth. It's not, it's not what they really feel is just catch a misspeaking and jump on that man wagon and they really get they really alienates a lot of real allies. If they kitch somebody saying in something in the wrong way IT might be somebody that's actually a huge supporter that just out of migrant said something the wrong way or misspoke.

Um I and I think IT is hard to keep up sometimes um with what's acceptable terminology. I mean, I try to do IT is out of respect and maybe I get IT wrong sometimes. Maybe I don't I don't know, I try.

But I suppose again, the problem here is that if there is state associated to being a victim, there is an incentive for somebody to find vict hood, even whether isn't tenny. And I guess the other side is, is that people know that most people are trying their best most of the time. I think I I fundamentally believe that most people are good.

The issue is I don't think the people that are enforcing these rules are particularly good, so they use their own theory of mind, which is, deep down, I don't think i'm a good person. Deep down, I know that the things that I say publicly in the things that I believe privately are the same thing. They understand that they playing this game.

They understand that it's nosis, stic and manipulative and aggressive and maline and all arrest of IT. And they then bought that same theory of mind onto everybody else. That means when someone messes up out of good faith, they don't see IT in good faith. Oh, here's the the smoking gun that tells us that doctor fill is the racist transformed c biat, homophobic zinias, whatever that we always knew that he was. And this is proof IT is like, is IT or is IT just that language is in precise?

No, I think some of us even worse. I think some of that is larsen ss, because if they can catch someone like me using a wrong word or saying something that they can say, okay, this runs a file of the the current ideology, then that's like goal because if they can jump on microwave, uh, if they catch joe blow, say in IT wrong, and as not much good they catch me say in IT wrong, you go get a lot of headlines.

How nervous does this make you feel? You know you've spoken about this. I yes, you right at the top.

You're in the midst of IT, right? You are patients zero for mainstream media. There is a lot of IT around you, lots of place, lots of notorious associated with IT. What's that like what's personally, what's that like for you on a daily basis to be .

walking on a egg shells? Well, I don't walk on egg shells. I've said before, there's good news and bad news when you deal with me.

the. Good news is if if i'm involved in something is likely to get a lot of attention. The bad news is i'm involved so is like to be get a lot of petition.

So that's why I mean, really if they can get if they can get me in the headline um then they get a lot of miles out of IT. So IT can be doctor feels gardener has iraq. I mean my gardener can have a req thirty miles from my house and IT won't be bob Jenkins has a req, it'll be doctor feels garden has a req.

I could a bit in europe at the time, but the headline will be, and I swear I could, I could stop on sunset to get a kitten out of traffic. And there was the headline will be, doctor fill arrogated blocked traffic on the set because they just get my rely just out of IT. So i've learned a long time ago that you you can make everybody happy so you might as well do what you truly believe. And as long as I know in my heart who I am and what my intentions are, somebody prostituting that, this doesn't bother me.

I don't think I think is anything particularly knew about that. I think yeah, yes, maybe this has been ramped up a little bit, but the news has always been in the click bait business. They they just got Better at IT.

It's a it's a case of headlines, whatever the most aggressive, fear stoking olympics, hydra king vintage that they can come up with. That's what gonna go for. That's the way the way that is always.

And I know what to know how but you saying, but IT is the true the a lie travels around the world while the truth is still lacing up his shoes at something like that. And there's actually been a study about that. I think MIT did IT uh and IT IT actually measured this and a light travel six times faster than the truth.

And the reason for that is a lie is simple and quick and black and White. And the truth is never that clean. It's never that quick, is more complicated.

So a lie is good click bait. It's a clean headline. And so IT travels real quick .

if you heard of brand. Deline's law is also called the bulls shit a symmetry principle, IT says. IT says that IT takes far less energy to produce bullshit than to refute IT. Therefore, the world is filled with unrefuted bullshit.

Yeah, I believe IT.

what about talk to me about family? I know this is something that's very important to you, is there are actually an attack on family at the moment?

Yeah, I I think thereas and i'm so sensitive to IT because I think family is the backbone of america. I think the family unit is is the backbone of america. And if families are strong and by strong, I mean, there are good family relationships.

Kids have a good relationship with their parents. They stay in contact. They they have a meanwhile together, they have meals together, they communicate together.

Um I give you A A tragic example of this which will speak volumes. Um there's something going around right now called sex stories, and most people won't know what that mean. You probably do.

No, even me determined online guy doesn't know what this is.

Well, this in A I has told jam when i've started dealing with A I, as things evolve, what's happening is these, these people are generating images. Some of them they may have stolen from somewhere, and some of them they generate completely made up. And they get online and start talking to a Young man. And they sent him this image of a girl. They talk to him like, there are fourteen, fifty year old girl.

Oh, it's like, it's like A I cat fishing.

Yes, exactly. They send him a picture. They started talking to him and say, you know, I like you so much, I want to send you picture so they send him a nude photo is like, I shown you mine, you show me yours.

I have shown you my body. You show me years and he's like, well, i'm not gonna blow this so he does. He SHE send her one back.

The second they get IT, they write back and say, I am not a fourteen year old girl and I now have a naked picture of you and i'm gonna IT to your parents, all the people in your contact list, your pastor, i've got your school year book. I'm going to send this to everybody in humility. Eight, two of you don't send me ten thousand dollars right now.

And I did three or four stories about that last week and one of them, uh, killed himself in an hour and forty minutes. He panic and thought, oh my god, i'm i'm going to humility my parents myself. He killed himself almost immediately.

Another one killed himself in a matter of few days. Um they IT was just horrible. I mean, just absolutely horrible.

why? Because there was a time when families were so tight that if substance happened to one of them, had happened all of them, and you would go to your family with anything, and you was all together. And now there's the relationships are so distant, they don't veal IT anymore.

And these kids felt alone, they felt they couldn't do IT. And then we had a few examples there who did go to their parents and say, hey, I screwed up big time. Here's what happened. And so the pair said, will that don't don't even talk to anymore, just cut them off and and of course, the answer to that, if you get caught in that trap is IT was an A I generated picture or are you going to do to say that's not me? I wish that was me.

Please send IT to everybody out care and hanging up and I mean you you're out of IT but um kids don't think that way and they panic and that's because they don't have that relationship with their parents, with their family. Always tell parents talk to your kids about things that don't matter. So that line is open when IT comes time to talk about things that do, you've got ta do that. You've gotta have a way to talk about anything.

Does this suggest that family is under attack though? Is this not just a natural consequence downstream of there's more things to distract people they can watch in netflix or play video games or or go on social media? How much of this is an an actual. Purpose attack.

There are six billion views of the hashtag toxic parent, toxic family, toxic mother on social media platforms right now. Six billion views of the impedance ling, no contact, toxic parent, toxic family. Yeah, it's under attack. People are out there selling that sort of mentality. And these are people that don't know come here from go sick m about family dynamics or how to heal a family or anything about keeping a relationship open or what the consequences are if you cut off your family and if you do, and it's two years later and you're now alone and lost and depressed, let me ask you where those people will be there you'll be able to find him in two weeks with a flashlight because they're gone and I don't know squat about nothing there is on their spin out. Lab lab, lab lab lah.

give me some White pills then what are the what are the point? Principles that people can use to rely on to be more resilient is a lot of bad outcomes at the moment that we've gone through one of the ways that people can fight by.

Well, because because you ask questions about problems, that's why we bought through bad outcomes. Ask me something happy like the one you just ask everyone. Be who you are on purpose um that I talk in the book about ten principles of the healthy society and number one is be who you are on purpose, but you don't want to be reactive to society.

You don't just get up and whatever comes your way on the internet or at work or your friends don't be a sheep, be who you are on purpose and that means you've got a star in your own life. And I don't care you people say, well, easy if you need to decide doctor failure, you ve had your own TV show for twenty five years. So yes, easy, start your own life.

I don't care of you a plumber or a teacher or an architect or an account or whatever star in your own life. You've got people in your life. You've got children.

You've got friends, you've got parents, you've got a church, you've got a team. You pay your way, star in your own life and that that means you've got to decide what's important to you. And i'm not telling you about being selfish.

It's not selfish to take care of yourself because you can't give away what you don't have. If you don't take care of yourself, if you don't love yourself, if you don't nurture yourself, you can love and nurture other people. So if you let yourself get emotionally bankrupt, then you have nothing to give to other people.

So be who you are on purpose. Don't let the internet program you don't let some ideology programme you choose who you want to be. And what you think is important that is that to me is is so critical. And I think you you pair that up with thought that make all, choose all behaviors based on results and all thoughts based on rationality.

And rationality means is this thought based on fact? Is IT does IT give me what I want? Does IT protect and prolong my life? Mean, there are just simple test that you can ask yourself, is, is this really something that that makes sense? Easy questions you can ask yourself when you're thinking something is, is this factual? Have I verified this? Or this is someone telling myself, does IT give me what I want is to protect and prolonged my life. These are things that you that you can ask yourself so choose your behaviors based on people always teasing me about saying how's that working for you ah that's a pretty dam good question to be asking if you're doing something and how's IT working for you if that I work and change what you're doing. I love, I love the .

idea of focusing on solving problems rather than winning arguments. I see so much, so much of the disco online is all about winning arguments rather than solving problems. He is a really interesting example, something I noticed on twitter, which is very rarely do you ever see someone can see the point and say I am actually that's that's really interesting.

The you i'd never seen that. I didn't I didn't see that before. And there's two two reasons.

First one being that admitting defeat online is tanami t destruction. It's embarrassing, its lame. You're supposed to have this perfectly bust world of fortress of whatever your philosophical world view is.

And the second one is that most of the rhetoric is so adversarial and mean and cutting and sonic that who entering into that type of an exchange wants to they're wrong. So you just taken the piece out of me for a full thread of tweet. I'm not going to say, oh yeah, a good one.

Doctor fail. Thanks for really resetting my world view. So I know you just called me a name before i'm going to call you .

a name and i'm not going to believe what you say yeah and and I i'll chAllenge you look at my threads and responses because i'll have people call me everything but decent ah and they get some good ones on there and those are usually the ones I respond to if if I respond and I don't sit in type of myself, I have somebody I tell I say I write this the because I time like uh so I am my guy and also take this down um and I tell them first off hey thank you for caring enough to share your thoughts because IT took time for you to respond and um I disagree with a lot of what you said.

But I hear you and I I hope you'll consider this and fact checked and if if there are some things I said that are not factual, then come back to me with IT and let's let's talk about that um because I know that they said I thought you were really in the facts and now I see saying this me like i've we'll never follow you again and I say thanks for saying you didn't have to respond at all you could just cut me off but please in fact check me and send me what IT is that i'm wrong about and if I am, i'll corrected and tell you and let's keep this die le open annam he has a responded yet because when I when when i'm doing something on a show um i'll figure out what i'm gonna and do and I have what we call a brain room and these are college professors i've hired from around the country and they're all over the political spectrum and i'll haven't research something and they'll send all of that to me and then i'll work out the points i'm gonna make and and i'll send that back to them and say, is this supported and they'll say, well, yes. No or maybe and i'll get down to what there's absolute empirical support for. And then when I do the actual show, I send the transcript to them to check and make sure I didn't conflate two things that weren't meant to be or whatever.

And if i've said something that is not what was intended or is not supported, IT comes out. So they check IT before I do IT, and then I check, they checked the point scientists make, and then they check to the transcript afterwards, and then IT goes to air. So I triple check things with a research room before I ever say IT.

And that book has been scrubbing p side and bottom. Let me tell you, because I want, let me take, I want to be the place that deals with facts. And if it's an opinion, I say so, I say, aren't this isn't one that lends itself to fact. This is this opinion, so I want to give, be mine, take IT for what you will. I identify IT if it's that way, otherwise I give him the empirical data.

What do you mean when you say do not stay silent just so others can .

remain comfortable? What you said earlier about I wonder how many people are just kind of biting their tongue because they don't want to take the heat and I say, I don't think we can do that. I think we is time we got to speak up.

Doctor phil, ladies and gentlemen, I really appreciate you coming on. I very much respect the fact going through all of these hurdles in an effort to try and be baLanced. I think it's. In some ways, sad that you need to do that just to protect yourself from being caught out in the wrong, the wrong a statement.

And also, given the fact that you reach millions and millions and millions of people is also important, because if we are strugling with information and equality of information, then the people who reach the most people should be trying to communicate IT in the most accurate way possible. So yet it's A A very impressive way to live out your phone. sophy.

We know. I think if people are going to honoring me with their time, I owe IT to and do my homework. And so I, you know, i'm A, i'm to do the best I can and then I will always get IT right.

And when I do, i'll correct, hopefully catch IT before he goes out. And if not all I so so I really enjoy this conversation. Use 什么 uh， chAllenging questions, Chris. So I I really appreciate that.

I appreciate eating. Thank you. Thank you.

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