Predicting 2025: It’s Written in the Stars with Aliza Kelly
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Wait, did I just turn that off? How do I get that back on? I'm a hot mess. A little change, but we are still going to have audio on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts. And our video now is going to be solely on YouTube. And we are having celebrity astrologer Aliza Kelly on the podcast today. I'm very excited for this.

I'm so excited. I don't know if any of you guys saw last year when I did an interview with Cosmopolitan. She interviewed me, but she kind of read my birth chart and I didn't even really know what that meant, honestly, in the beginning. And she read my birth chart and I swear to God, it was like a psychic reading. She has predicted so many things for me over the past year. I am so excited. I've been saying I want to get my birth chart read for so long and

I'm so happy we're doing this. I was kind of skeptical at first because I was like, what does this even mean? And basically, I mean, you guys will see she's going to like walk through everything, but it's like it's written in the stars. So I'm like, I guess this is just it has to be true. It has to make sense. And so last year, for example, she predicted she was like, you're going to have a really, really big year of

contracts and she even told me specific dates. She was like, in February, you're going to like know what I'm talking about. And then in June, you're going to like pen to paper, like sign this really big contract and it's going to like change your life. And I was like, what? And whenever we did this, I was like, I have no idea what she's talking about. And then that accurately happened. And then the craziest thing, which is this honestly, like

I don't know, rung a bell for me and I was like, we need to have her back on Hot Mess and do this again. Or, well, she's never been on Hot Mess, but we need to have her on Hot Mess. Is she was like, in the fall, something's going to happen with your boyfriend's career and like, he's really going to need you there for him. And obviously Braxton got injured in the fall. And that was just like a really, really big moment for us. When she said that to me, I was like, literally what could happen? Like, I don't know what she's talking about. And I put two and two together when Braxton got hurt. And I was like, oh my God,

She's a psychic. I need to have her back on. So crazy. I'm like honestly kind of nervous because I do want to know but like

The thing, like, she kind of predicted Braxton getting injured. So it's not, like, kind of scary. Well, yeah, but it's written in the stories, so I feel safer. I just want to know. I don't want to know bad things, though. I'm like, I just want the good things. I used to go to psychic readings in high school a lot. And I would use them as, like, therapy instead of going to a therapist. I was literally like, wait, what's going to happen? Yeah, you would go, like, twice a week. She was like, you should probably, like, break up with him. I was like, oh, okay. But I would always go to this psychic. But this is, like, this is written in the stars. And she's going to explain for anyone who's not really into astrology because...

I am into astrology, but I'm not like...

a crazy astrology girl. Yeah, I'm like into it, but I don't really know. You know less than I do. I don't really know anything. So I'm excited for her to explain all of this to us. And it's the new year. So I'm like, I feel like we're going to like start off on a good foot. She's going to tell us what's going on. I'm ready for the new year. I feel like this is going to be a good year. I think this is going to be a great year. I'm very excited. I have very high hopes for 2025. Do you have any New Year's resolutions? I want to start like,

Honestly, no. Like being healthier? I don't know. Really? I mean, last year I did the 30 hard, which was all of January. I did like this. It's like twice a day working out, um,

there was no alcohol yet a gallon of water a day and like it's usually the 75 hard but I cut it into 30 days because I was like I just don't think I could do 75 days straight of this and honestly I'm not gonna do that again this year because it just it was almost like overkill like I have half a glass of water a day like I don't drink water and then I'm like drinking a gallon and it's like I don't work out every day now I'm working out twice a day like my body was so tired and fatigued and like

But isn't that like there's like a hump you get over once you keep doing it? It is. And I think that's why you're supposed to do 75 days and not 30 because I was still definitely not at the point where I like crossed the hump. But I just I don't want to do that again. It was a little unrealistic for me. So I'm going to do a more realistic like I think we're going to do like a 30 day glow up this year where I'm going to post like.

like my workouts because I never really post my workouts online and then like healthy recipes because I've been really into cooking and I think like having people follow along in that type of way and I think it's just a little bit more realistic yeah because I think sometimes we set goals for ourselves in the new year and then I'm like these are just unrealistic and these are never going to happen so I think this is the year of setting realistic goals for me I tried to do dry January last year and then I remember it was like bid day or something and you can't do that in college I was like

no, but bid day, I like don't remember anything because I had like three drinks and I hadn't drank in so long. That was the problem is I did dry January and which is fine. It's not like,

I don't need to drink. I don't need to have a drink. But it honestly was like my body just when I went out in February with my friends, we literally just had dinner and I had like a spicy margarita and I almost hit the floor. Like my body was just not used to that at all. So I don't know. It was just like a little bit of overkill. I'm like, if I want a glass of wine with dinner, I can have a glass of wine with dinner this January. I don't need to like be going out and taking shots every night. But like

you know a little casual drink here and there i think is fine yeah totally i think it's good yeah i don't really have any like specific new year's resolutions i just kind of want to be better at like taking care of myself and being healthier overall but i'm excited to hear like what is actually going to happen for us this year so let's bring elisa on i'm very excited for this

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Aliza, welcome to Hot Mess. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I cannot believe it's been a year since we last met. It's been a year. It was last January. Yes, it's been a whole year, a wild year. It has been. A long year, a short year, all of the types of years. Yeah. Also, everything that you said to me last year, like, came true, like, to a T. So, like, how did you even get into this astrology?

So, I mean, the long and the short of it was that I feel like I had always been very curious about just sort of like mystical, magical things.

And then in my early 20s, so kind of at the same point that you guys are at right now, I started to find myself like very unfulfilled and feeling very sort of fragmented. I couldn't quite figure out who I was, what I wanted to be doing, what I actually wanted to care about, which is really interesting because timing wise in your early 20s you go through this really big sort of existential crisis, which I'm sure you guys feel. You're just coming out of it, Alex, but it was, you're kind of in it now, Ashton. And at

that moment where you are right now, I found my astrological birth chart. And it just really really spoke to me and it really clarified a lot of things that I was having confusion around. Namely like how I could be both so like vibrant and also so sensitive, you know? And

that just, you know, opened the door. And I started looking into it for myself. I started looking into it for other people. My best friend from college and I actually started an astrology dating app because at that time, it was like 2013, everyone had a good idea, was like, let's make it an app, right? And at the time, only Tinder existed. Bumble didn't exist yet. Hinge didn't exist. So we were like, an astrology dating app would be amazing. That's a great idea.

- Thank you, yeah, it's 10 years later and it all tracks. - Which I do wanna get into and ask you about like compatibility with men and like what are your thoughts on all of that? - Yes, compatibility is very interesting to me. Has always been, you know, 'cause like what does it mean to actually, who do you work with, right? Like what are the good matches for us? But anyway, long story short,

2016, that was all in LA. I moved back home to New York where I'm from. We had to close the app and I was having another existential crisis and I was like, what am I supposed to do now? And astrology was a constant. And I just like, no matter what was going on, I loved this work and I loved this practice.

And from 2016 on, it just became more and more of the centerpiece of my life to the point where it was like, actually, this is my life. This is not just like a curiosity anymore. This is like everything is revolving around this. - So understanding astrology is something like anyone can do, right?

- Yes, I think so. I mean, I think that part of, you know, back in 2013 when I started to really work with this material, it felt so archaic, it felt so outdated. It was like a lot of like Santa Fe, turquoise, woo,

vibes, which is very cute, but it's not my aesthetic, you know? And I wanted to figure out how do we make this something that is applicable, that is really easy to understand. And that's always been sort of like the driving force behind my work is that I want everyone to be able to work with it.

because I really think that it's an incredible tool and it's an incredible tool for compassion and self-actualization and also just like figuring out who you are and being confident in who you are. Like I think if I were to now synthesize and get to the root of what I do, it's really about like empowering people to just be themselves

and be proud of who they are. So what we're doing today is you're going to be reading our birth chart, which was what we did last year. So can you explain to everyone what exactly that is and what it means and how that all comes to be? Yes, yes. So your birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at your exact moment of birth. And

based on our symbolic interpretation of all of these planets and points, each one of them gives you a little insight into an aspect and a facet of your personality. And this is what I think is really compelling about it is that we can externalize one way and then have a completely different internal dialogue. And I feel like as women, we know that inherently. And then astrology sort of gives us a window into what that actually means and how we work with that.

Interesting. I feel like Ashton knows a little less about astrology than I do. But I've been like, do you know your big three? I, well, actually I only know it because my Snapchat told me, I don't know if you've seen the Snapchat. It gives you like your whole birth reading. That's the only reason I have it. But I think it's, I'm an Aries sun, a Gemini moon and a Taurus rising. Yes. But I don't really know much about any of them, but I've been dying to know, like you saying how this like explains like so much of your personality. I'm like, I need this. Yeah. I'm ready. So much sense. So I'm a,

Sagittarius Sun. Sagittarius Sun, Virgo Moon, Scorpio Rising. Yes. Okay. Yes.

Should we go over like high level? Like what are big three? Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Yeah. Okay, so your big three is probably like the easiest touch point into astrology for a lot of people. And it's your sun, moon and your rising. Let's start with the rising sign because I feel like this one has the most misconception around it. Your rising sign before 1930 was actually like more important than your sun sign, which I think is really interesting. Because...

but your rising sign requires your exact specific time of birth in order to calculate. And because a lot of people in 1930 didn't have the exact time of birth, and even still now don't have the exact time of birth, the sun sign became more sort of like pop-culturally acceptable because that's based on your day of birth, and most people know the day that they were born.

But your rising sign is really interesting because it shows your perception of reality. It shows the recurring themes that come up in your life over and over and over again. So your rising sign is sort of like your window into what life through your eyes looks like. And this is often sort of misconstrued as the mask you wear in public.

But the reason that I don't think that that's a really good way of describing it is because that makes it seem like it's a choice. You know, it makes it seem like, oh, I'm like masking as this. But it's not. It's your perception of reality. And therefore, of course, it's going to inform how people perceive you, right? Because if you're seeing the world, like in the case of a Scorpio rising as a place where like you don't know fully who to trust, then maybe people are going to see you as a little off-putting when they first meet you. But it's not that you actually are. It's just that you're trying to figure out like,

can I trust you? Can I believe you? Are you my people? Which is so crazy because everyone always thinks that I'm a bitch when they first meet me or not unless you talk to me but sometimes I'm just kind of like trying to read the room but I'm such a person I'm like I need to like figure out your personality before I like

unleash all of mine and like I need to know if I can trust you. I need to know like who you are and what are your plans? --Yes, which is really very different than like the Sag Sun persona and we'll talk about that in a second. And then for you Ashton, you're a Taurus rising, which I think is really cool. You know a little glimpse into the compatibility piece of it is that you guys have opposite rising signs. So you're a Taurus rising, you're a Scorpio rising, and in astrology opposites are really cute. They're really a really good thing.

- You're really cute. - Really cute because you compliment each other. It's like you are each other's missing links. So "A Taurus Rising" is very much about sort of like what's real, what's grounded, what's anchored, what can I trust, what can I believe in, and fundamentally it really does have like a

a true instinct for self-preservation and self-care and knows that above all, that has to be first. And if you feel destabilized in that, bad things happen. It's really, really critical.

- Okay, I'm very curious to hear all about Ashton. I need to understand her. She's like someone to me who's like hard to figure out. - Well, I find myself hard to figure out. - Yeah, I'm really excited to tell you about your chart. I was looking at it and I was like, oh, does Ashton know she's psychic? - Really? - Do you? - No. - Okay, you do.

Yes, you do. I feel like I have really good intuition. Yeah, we'll talk about it. Wait, I'm jealous. Wait, what do you think about crystals? Side note. Well, you know, I feel like for some people, crystals are really powerful, but they aren't for everyone. Like for me, crystals, I'm more of a cerebral person than I am a tactile person. So crystals are like beautiful and I love them and people like have such gorgeous crystal collections, but it's not...

I don't work with it as much as other things. - 'Cause our friend Sally has this crystal that it is magical, I think. - Yes, I mean there are certainly things that are magical, but sometimes it's not even the crystal. Sometimes you could have a magical-- - Maybe it's just Sally. - Yeah, exactly. You can make anything magical when you impose something into it. - So what do you say when people say that astrology isn't real?

- Well, I mean, I don't know what is real and what isn't real. When people say that astrology isn't real, like one, it's very boring as a statement to me. Like I could care less about it. And then two,

I have been doing this work long enough that I know that it's real because the conversations that I have are real and the way that people have aha moments about themselves and their life and their timing is real. So whether or not it's the planets or it's the storytelling or it's the interpretation is irrelevant to me. The work matters, the work is real and the work is life changing and therefore it is real. So the ethic, like the proof is in the pudding of it. It works, it hits, it makes a difference in the world. So that's what I care about.

Which is why I'm really excited for people to listen to this episode. So like off the bat,

- Our signs, if we were to judge our compatibility, would you just go like, oh, I'm a Sagittarius and she's an Aries, or is it really matter the big three and more of the breakdown? - Well, yeah, I mean, so when it comes to the sun signs, you guys are both fire signs. So just straight up, the compatibility would be amazing, right? Two fire signs, two very passionate, excited, fiery people. However-- - I always feel like Ashton's not really an Aries. - I know, so Ashton's like,

I want to figure out when to talk about your son being in the 12th house because I feel like this is a very important reveal for you. And I think that you might become an astrologer after this. Wait, what? See, I've always been saying this. I was like, I know nothing about astrology, but I really, really, really like feel like

it's so important and I need to know more about it. Yeah, you need it. Even when you were talking about how you got into astrology, I was like, I feel like this could help me figure out a lot. Well, I feel like for Ashton, it was always confusing because Aries, I feel like we always see as like a fire sign and like strong and really out there. And Ashton was always like, I'm just not an Aries. So she was like, this is just like, doesn't make sense. I know. So, okay. So let's, let's just get into that and then we'll circle back to the rest of the moon signs and everything else. Because Ashton, it's like, I feel like I'm giving you the information and I,

"There's something very important I need to tell you." It's like I'm here on a mission to report something to you. - I'm so excited. - Okay, so Ashton, you were born with the sun in your 12th house. And if you look at your chart, you're gonna find a little shape that's a circle with, it's red, it's a circle with a dot in it, and if it was a clock, it would be at like the nine, above the nine o'clock position.

So that's your sun sign. And your sun sign shows your sort of dynamism. It shows where your strengths are. It shows what energy means to you, how you sort of move through spaces. And the 12th house in astrology is considered the most psychic, the most sensitive, the most intuitive, the most quiet, the most reserved, the most needing of privacy, the most sort of like sensitive. Like,

- So yes, you are in Aries, but the way that that manifests for you is in this really psychic and emotionally charged area of your chart. So like you take in everything, you know? You read the room, I know that you read the room too, Alex, 'cause you're a Scorpio rising, you're intense, and you can sort of pick up on vibes, but Ashton is like sometimes in another timeline.

Ashton is time-trapped. She walks in a room and she's like, oh, the energy here has been lingering for decades. Ashton really gets vibes on very, very deep levels. She gets the vibes. Yes, but it's also, it can feel a little lonely and it can feel a little isolating to be that much in time

many different places at the same time. To have certain ambitions and certain desires and want information, like your moon in Gemini desperately is seeking information and wants to be sort of informed, but when you get that information it's like wow, this is a really heavy load. What do I do with all of this?

Where does this go? And even though you're an Aries, you're certainly not like the one who's like belting. You're not like the one who's trying to make everything about you because you are incredibly sensitive. So you're more sort of likely to let someone else like take the stage and you'll be in sort of the wings. And then you're also feeling everything. Like you feel everything. I'm like, yeah, that's, that's.

That sounds about right. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting that what I shared related for you because I also am a Leo, so I'm a fire sign as well. So it's all fire here, which I love. But I have my son also in an area of the chart that's really sort of, it's the eighth house and it's very sort of like

and spiritual and all of those things too. So similarly, I didn't fully relate to my Leoness until I understood, oh, the application of this is supposed to be one where I'm talking about spooky things. I'm talking about intuition. So I think, Ashton, in your life, it's very likely that the work that's going to really speak to you is work around healing and wellness and all of that.

what it means to tap into your psychic powers and your intuition and like hold that fully and completely. See, this is crazy. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Like this is just to a T. Ashton. Yeah. And everything she's ever talked about. Yeah. And I also, I feel like I always struggle to really like explain myself or define myself to people. So I'm like already, I'm like, okay, this is like, we're just going to have them listen to this. I'm like,

Like, yeah, yeah. I need to explain myself. Listen to this episode. You'll understand that shit. Right. Just forward it along. That's like the big reveal. And I'm glad to share it with you because I feel like it's those kind of connection points that really help us figure out who we are and have the confidence to be who we are without trying to be someone else. You know, like you're not going to ever be the person who's like out there with no sort of

as to how your actions impact others. You're always gonna be thinking about that. And that can feel very daunting because that's like a lot of responsibility. And you feel that responsibility, but low key you would be amazing at business.

Like yes, you would be an incredible, incredible business person. Like behind the scenes, figuring out how to like make things happen and connect the dots and like. - Interesting. - Yeah, that's also a superpower of yours. - Wow. - That's something I never thought would be a superpower of mine. - Yeah. - We're bringing you on the team. - Yeah. I'll work behind the scenes for you. - Well because you get things. - Yeah. - This is what we always say, she just gets it. - I do.

Yeah, you do. You just get it. So do I get it? Yeah, you get it. You get it in a different way. Everybody gets it differently. What do I get? So, Alex, some of the things that you get are you get what people... You get, like, the connection to people. You get knowing how to share your story and make that story very accessible to others. So in a way, it's like you almost have...

Well, you're opposite rising signs, right? So it's almost like you have this, it leads you to the same goal, which is why it's really, I think, gonna be lovely that you guys are doing this podcast together. But it also, you have different ways of getting there and arriving at that place. Like you are not afraid to just like speak and let that communication like sort of sink in

see who it connects with, you know? Like you'll speak first and then be like, okay, who does this relate to? Like I know there has to be someone out there who gets it, but then you are sort of already thinking, well, who's going to get it? You know, like who could this possibly relate to? This is unrelated. Yeah, exactly. And then ultimately, like you're going to find

the people who are going to be most inspired by your stories and who you are and what your offerings are but you have sort of different paths of arriving there okay that's good to know yes very interesting yeah because I feel like I'm definitely a little bit more outspoken or don't care or I'm like yeah I'll just say this yeah and Ashton's a little bit more reserved and I'm like Ashton like we're podcasting you have to tell them what's going on like tell them everything in your life I'm like wait yeah yeah yeah

You want to have that counterbalance, you know? Yeah. It's important to sort of arrive at that destination from multiple angles. No, it's good. And I feel like I'm at a place now too where, which I'm curious to hear about like the last year you were saying I was coming out of some like turmoil or change or whatnot. Yeah.

because I feel like I was like over doing it a little bit and then I kind of had to reel it in. Yeah so last year so when we talk about a year at a time usually we're talking about Jupiter which is the planet of abundance and it's like luck and fortune and it shows where our luck and fortune is going to be and it also shows where we're going to overindulge or do too much right because Jupiter is the biggest planet in the solar system and it's like more is more with Jupiter.

So with you, the last year and what we were talking about, I think a year ago, was the fact that there were all of these like big contracts and big decisions and big important sort of like, especially financial changes. I'm not sure if we talked about that like specifically, but it was the subtext was that it was big financial considerations. And next year or in 2025, we are going to be really, we're going to continue that story. But come August, September, we're going to be

there's going to be a really big change around how you manifest that energy. And that change is really going to look more like

expansion, becoming an expert at something very specifically and like really fine tuning what your skill set is. You're going to get really, really good at one or a few very similar adjacent things and become sort of like a professional at

At those. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. So it's sort of like taking its build. I mean, everything in astrology is building just like life. Right. So we build on those contracts. We build on those financial considerations. We build on everything. And then come 2025, it's really going to be about, OK, how do I become the best at this thing? Better than everyone else, you know? Yeah.

Okay, interesting. I mean, there is stuff I like can't say. So I'm but I'm like, yes, this is making sense. Yeah. So that's sort of how we scale from last year. I think that maybe even in the overwhelm, it was in sort of taking on too much. It's trying to spread yourself too thin with regard to

you know, what you can do, you know, and what you know how to do and what you're comfortable with. And obviously, like you're a yes person. That's part of being a fire sign. And it's part of being a sad where you're like, I can do it, whatever. Like, I'll figure it out. Yeah. But it can also be you can burn out from trying to learn so many new skills so fast. Yeah. You know, I think that's definitely part of my personality. I like to

say yes to things and then I'm like, I'll go back and figure out like, okay, what are the logistics or like, how am I actually doing all of this? I'm like, but like, yes, like the opportunities here, like let's take it. All the work or a lot of the work I did behind the scenes last year, which I couldn't really like

talk about was all kind of planning for like what this next year for me would look like and like what decisions I would make and like what are we putting into action literally I feel like the whole entire year was just me going back and forth with like okay this or this or this or this and so I'm I mean I can't say much but yeah I'm excited for this next year with all that so how does the birth chart change from like because obviously there's the birth chart of like your birth chart when you're born but then it also changes like year to year like just where the

planets are? Yes. So there's a few different things to consider. So you have a birth chart that gets sort of activated and that goes through a metamorphosis based on where the planets are in the sky. So your chart is going to go through these big changes based on like we're talking about Jupiter activating it, right? Like what's activating your chart? What's it setting off?

What's it signaling? And then you also have a chart that, you know, that's more esoteric astrology that we don't need to get into. But it's like there's a theory that your chart also grows with you and it progresses. But

Really, that doesn't start to matter until you get older because it doesn't change that much until you're in your late 20s. I mean, how should we like what's the best way to go about this? Should we go like one at a time and like walk through everything? Sure, let's do it. So some of the things that are really stand out in your chart, Alex, are obviously we talked about your Scorpio rising and that being something that, you know, your perception of reality is very much informed by who can you trust.

Who can you rely on? Who can you believe? And then the way that that actualizes is through your Sagittarius sun. And your Sagittarius sun is like what we were talking about. It's very like, yes, let's do it. Let's like put it out and then we'll figure it out later. You know, we'll get it.

everything will work out. And there's like this, this just like brazenly optimistic spirit that you have of like, of course, things are going to be fine. Why wouldn't they be fine? Which is really lovely. And it's also very important for other people to match that energy and match that vibe. And if they don't, then that almost becomes a threat to you. Like if people start to put up obstacles, or they start to doubt your ability, or if they sort of like

get too technical about what is or isn't possible which Ashton like you have that a little bit like because remember you're a business person at your core you're a psychic business person that's crazy she's a psychic business woman so like you can sort of be like uh I'm not sure about that and then you're like how dare

- Yeah. - Like how dare you? - They're like why? - Even remotely think that that's not gonna happen. - Yeah, no. - Of course it's gonna happen. - This is literally our everyday conversation. She's like Alex, that just won't work. And I'm like wait what? - Alex just gets so mad. She's like why would you say that? - Right. So this is also I guess a little bit of the compatibility piece of it too, right?

it's important for you both to know that. Like, it's important for Alex to have this sort of like unapologetic optimism. And it's also important for Ashton, it's how she expresses care, to be like, I don't know, are you sure about that?

that. And for you, that might seem like it's like, what the fuck? She's like, you're such a Debbie Downer. And I'm like, well, no, like sometimes it's just real. Yeah. And it's like important for you to sort of that cautiousness that you have feels like it's coming from a place of protection. For you, Ashton, being disappointed is like death. Like,

Alex doesn't really care. Like Alex doesn't even, when something doesn't work out, she's like, okay. Like it doesn't even really phase her. And for you, that's like really heavy. So she's actually trying to protect you from disappointment. But Ashton, you should know that Alex doesn't care. Yeah, I don't care. It's okay. I'll be disappointed. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like that's, so it's a very different sort of approach to thinking about like what priorities are and what matters.

So yeah, for you, it's like, let's do it. Why not? Okay, so then your moon, as we talked about last time as well, is in your, yes, perfect, gorgeous. A plus, A plus student. Your moon is in your 10th house, which is about career and legacy, and it's how you make your mark on the world and how people see you and receive you. So the moon in your 10th is why you,

That moon placement, which is your emotional world, it's in Virgo, which is very much about expression and storytelling. Like people know you for your storytelling. People care about the way that you tell stories and the way that you sort of like walk them through your life and your emotions and your anxiety and your fears and like all of the other stuff that manifests. And the realer you are about it, the more people are going to get it. Okay.

Yeah. That sounds on brand. Yeah, definitely on brand. And also like important to remember that your moon is in a sign that has a perfectionistic quality as well. So there's a little bit of a conflict there sometimes with like wanting to be real and then also wanting to be perfect, you know, and just keeping that like.

keeping that in check I think is important. Because people also relate to that pursuit of perfection, but it also could be sort of your Achilles heel along the way. You know what I mean? - Achilles heel meaning bad? - Like your biggest weakness. - Oh, okay. - Alex. - And what do we mean by that? - But like optimistic, you're like, is that bad? I love Achilles. - You're like, wait. - Sounds good.

So yeah, so those are some of the main sort of standout things of your chart. As we talked about last time also, you have some really cool signatures about like wanting to break the mold and do things differently and people kind of like projecting on you, but that not necessarily being a bad thing. That idea of you being someone who is constantly trying to like create controversy is going to also work in your favor. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we love like some good drama, you know? Yes. But not bad drama. But I always say like, I'm like, I'm like, things are just too like complacent right now. We need some good drama. Yeah. You want to like stir the pot just a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I always want to stir the pot. But that's something that like I have to hold myself back at times because I'm like, this is probably bad. Why? Well,

It's just not always great. Sometimes things are really good for Alex and she's like, I feel like something bad needs to happen to be excited. You know? When things are too good, it's boring. But I don't know. And I also feel like I'm someone who, especially on social media, it's so easy to get on there and be like,

fiery or like stir the pot, you know, like there's a lot of information I know at times where I'm like, I could say this and like just drop a bomb right now. But I try to hold myself back from doing that because I think that's not always the best, but I always find myself wanting to do it. I'm like, this would be so good.

You can do it. Really? Yeah. I mean, I feel like that's probably because you have, like, that optimistic side of you to where you're like, it's, like, bad, but it's still good. Like me, I'd be like, no. It's bad, but it's good for the plot. No. It's not for you. Ashton doesn't like seeing people, like, talk about her or... Just, like, anything. Yeah. It stresses her out. Yeah. But she's getting better at it. We're working on it.

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Yeah, I think that Alex, that's a secret weapon of yours for sure. Like if you feel like things are getting a little too boring, like stir the pot that you can use that always. Okay. So you have my permission. I have a few things in my draft, so. Perfect. Yeah. I mean, whenever you're like, this is like things are getting a little, there's a lull here. Yeah. Throw up one of those drafts. And it's not bad.

- No, not everyone can handle it. - Yeah. - You know, if you have the capacity to be able to sort of navigate it, it's an amazing thing.

I also envy it. I also envy the ability to just be like, I'm throwing it out there. Like, and you have that for a reason, you know, like that's is one of your skills. It's one of your strengths. So since not everybody can do it and like tolerate it because you can, it's meant for you. Okay. See, it's meant for me. Okay. Here we go. Everything works out. Everything always works out in your favor. Everything always works out. Everything is going great.

--Okay, good to know. --The last thing I'll say before we look at Ashton's chart some more is that last year you had your Jupiter return, which was like part of the reason it was such an abundant year. And it is about sort of maintaining and continuing to scale and build on that. Like that's that's your work, you know? It's like how do you not lose that momentum, but how do you expand it and become as we talked about like

Like, an expert. Is this able to show, like, what is happening this next year? This is your birth chart, but I know what's happening next year. I know where the planets are, so I can see where they're activating your chart. Okay. Okay, we'll get to that. Let's do Ashton's. Okay, cool. I'm like, I want to hear all about Ashton. Yes. Okay, so...

I want to, I'm excited to tell you all about Ashton too. So Ashton. This is what I've needed my whole life. We talked about the fact that you have this Aries sun in the 12th house. And we're going to talk a little bit more about that in a moment. But I also want to talk to you about your moon in Gemini. Because this moon in Gemini is really important for your compatibility with Alex. It's information. You know, both of you are really obsessed with

with knowledge and learning things and collecting the information, getting the tea, whatever it is. And the way that you share that with each other is really important. And that's gonna be sort of like your,

and also it's going to be your glue. So never keep secrets from each other. - Good to know. - Yeah. - I don't keep secrets, she keeps secrets from me. - I don't keep secrets, I just sometimes like, I don't overshare what goes on. - She like purposefully holds information back. - No. - So Ashton doesn't wanna hurt anyone's feelings.

and Ashton is afraid of reactions. Ashton doesn't want anyone to be mad at her. She doesn't want people to, she wants to, I mean this in the best way, control the outcome as much as you can because you don't want things to get out of hand.

So part of the holding things back is also being like, I don't want this person to be upset. I don't want this person to be mad at me. I don't want this to cause a fight. Like, I want this to be as, like, nice and peaceful as possible. But then people get mad at you because they're like, what the fuck? Like, you didn't tell me the truth. Yeah, which just makes a lot of sense. Because me and Ashlyn say now, like, we're best friends. But there was a point, like, two years ago where, like, we didn't talk for, like,

Yeah. We never talked because she like was doing something that was like upsetting me or like with someone that was upsetting me. And I was very vocal about that. So she just like stopped telling me things. Yeah. So that's also because it was like my boyfriend like didn't really they didn't get along. Yeah. Which I want to ask about. Yeah.

And so, like, he would say, like, things that, like, weren't nice about, like, her. And it would upset me. But I just wouldn't tell her. And, like, I would just distance myself from her. Because I was, like, with him all the time. And I was just, like, I would always tell him not. I'd be, like, don't say that stuff about my sister. But I would eventually just, like, I would stop telling her. Because then she would just hate him more. And then it was more. Right. Exactly. And then it kind of just, like, distanced us. And I didn't, like...

enter it with caution at all. I was just like, fuck him, leave him, like, da-da-da. And, like, that, I realized, was not a good communication style to, like, getting through to her. Yeah, no. Probably because she didn't want to hear those reactions. So she stopped telling me things. So we, like, really didn't talk at all. Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, I mean, it definitely checks out with the way that you guys relate. And it makes sense that the thing that made the relationship really dicey for you was the lack of communication. Because that is your glue. And if something starts to disrupt that, if that gets compromised, that's when you guys get into a situation where you're not talking or you're feeling distant. It's the communication thread that you both need. But yes, Ashton, like,

part of the reason that I want you to be a psychic witch business person and like honestly just like be a witch like fully

Yes, please. I think that's my dream job. Yes, yes. We'll talk after. Okay. But part of the reason that I think this is really important for you is because that placement that we're talking about, the sun in your 12th house, can be really, really secretive and really shady. And not because you're trying to like be problematic, but because it's like,

secrets and your hidden emotional experience, if it doesn't have a good outlet, it's gonna find itself attracted to toxic things.

And that's because you are someone who's so sensitive that like a situationship starts to feel more like appealing to you because it's something that lives in the shadows. And you are a shadowy person. So then you're going to find yourself in these situationships that you know aren't good for you. Alex really fucking knows are not good for you. You know, they're like very strongly not good for you. But you're like, well, this matches my emotional intensity and therefore it makes sense to me.

So Ashton was like in a situationship where she was not sharing her. She wasn't letting her guard down basically. And like that was like a problem in it because they were like, you're so hard to like get to because she doesn't want to get like hurt. Yeah, I get it. It's a learning process.

And the more that you are somewhat at the more that you embrace your intuition and your gut feelings and your psychic powers is not things that you need to deny, but things that you can really like bring in to the equation. Like, you know, if someone is keep it is lying to you, you know, but sometimes you don't even want to confront that in yourself. Yeah. And then it gets worse and worse and worse.

you know, and that's why it's like embracing your magic is going to really help you feel like a badass, you know, like you're going to be like, you can't fuck with me. Yeah. I did not know you were magical. I've always said, I'm like, I feel like I'm really good at reading people or I have really good intuition. But then I was like, oh, maybe that's just like me being egotistical and like everyone thinks that about themselves. But I'm like, you're kind of

reaffirming my thoughts. That's awesome. Yes. No, you know, you know, and your magic too. I mean, I think everyone is magic. You know, it's just magic in different ways. Like Alex is like an incredible manifester. Alex like opens her eyes and is like, this is what I want. And then gets an email about it.

Alex is incredible at just sort of like... And that's part of that incredible optimism she has. And for you, Ashton, you are also a very magical person, but you are someone who can read between the lines. You work on a different dimension, and you probably can see ghosts. I just keep...

Wait, tell us everything. We're going to have to talk like every day. Forever. Can you see ghosts? I don't think so. I don't know. I don't think so. No. Yes, you can. When I asked her on Halloween, I was like, can you see ghosts? And she was like, that's not real. And I was like, you see them. I don't know. I don't know about that one. We'll see. Really? That's so cool. I mean, and maybe it's the verbiage here. Maybe it's more of like feeling protected or feeling like there's...

like angels or guides in a space or who are going to be able to like connect with you who could lean into, you can lean into their power and their support. But honestly, like that's part of it too for you is knowing that you have these connections to the intangible realms. So is this like angel numbers? Is this at all correlated to this or not really? Yes, angel numbers can be sort of like the entry point into it. I see them all the time.

the freaking time. Yeah. Like all the time. Yeah. So that's sort of like the that's sort of a cue that you are sort of on that path. Interesting. Wow. So does it mean anything that I was born at 333 a.m.? Another angel number, right? Like it says it's listen, like magic runs through families, you know, and there's

- When you are a magical person, you're not just in, you know, you have magical relatives. And that's why you have like these amazing families that do incredible things, right? - Literally Wizards of Waverly Place. - Literally, literally, casually. And you were born at 7-Eleven, which is a corporate magic angel number.

I love that too. A few other things in your chart. Ashton, for you this year, so one of the things that I know that everyone is very curious about is when their Saturn return is happening. And what does that mean? So your Saturn return is when Saturn, which is the planet that's associated with like

wisdom and discipline and responsibilities comes back to where it occupied at the moment you were born. And it's this big maturation moment where you sort of become who you are.

So neither of you have to worry about it for a long time because you're both such babies. But it's going to happen for you, Alex, in 2029 and for you, Ashton, in 2031, which feels like a very long time away. It does. But, Ashton, you are going through something right now called your Saturn Square, which is when...

you are starting this process of figuring out who you are and what matters and what you care about and where you wanna be dedicating your time and energy. So Alex, you went through that in 2022. So what was going on in your life in 2022?

Didn't you? 2022 was the start of my senior year of college. And well, I guess end of my junior year. Oh, wait, this is crazy. Because the so I was the end of my junior year of college.

I was supposed to go abroad and I got this like I had always wanted to go abroad my whole life. And I got this like gut feeling where I it was like two weeks before I was supposed to live in Barcelona. I was like set to go. This is like one of the things I've always wanted to do in college. And like two weeks before, I literally was like crying myself to sleep every night. And I was like, I can't go abroad. I can't go abroad. And my reasoning, but I didn't want to tell anyone my reasoning was that I found out that you couldn't get abroad.

packages. It'll make sense in a second. I found out you couldn't get packages there. And I had just started to like, I really wanted to like do social media. And I was trying to find like management companies to like work with me and do brand deals. And I was like, I really, really want to do this. Like, I really want to give it a shot. And yeah,

I had like a smaller following at the time, but I was like, I really like want to try this thing out. And when I found out that basically I would have to put that on pause for like six months when I feel like I was just starting to get like a little bit of like, oh, maybe I could like try and do this. And I found out that I couldn't do it if I went. So I was like,

I don't know. I just, I didn't go. I canceled my trip abroad. And then I interviewed with a bunch of different management companies and they all like declined me. They were like, you're not big enough. You don't have enough followers. And I was like, I will do anything. I was like, please. Like, I just really want to like try and work with brands. Like I really, really want to do this. And it sounds so stupid, but I did end up finding this one girl, Lexi, and she was like in Australia and she signed me that

years like when I didn't go abroad and then I started to do like smaller brand deals and that's how I started to make connections with like it was like white fox like I got like my first contract in like fashion nova and I was like beyond excited and it like made my entire world to me and it was through that next year that I really started to like take it seriously and I would just kind of ramp it up and ramp it up and then end of 2022 is when I like went from like a hundred thousand followers to like

four or five million. So it was crazy. But I really think that it wouldn't wouldn't have all happened if I had went abroad. That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I mean, that's amazing. And that's also like what a testament to believing in yourself, to your intuition, to just sort of like knowing the direction that you wanted to go and not, um,

like not trying to block yourself along the way. Because often what I think happens is that people get afraid of the thing that they want and they get afraid of like failure, they get afraid of disappointment or they get afraid of like what if it doesn't work out and then I haven't done this. But you like truly, truly committed and believed in yourself and you saw immediately the return of that.

And Ashton, no pressure. But that's kind of what, that's the story. That's this moment for you too. So it is about making important decisions about what you want for your future.

But, like, what if I don't know what I want? She does know what she wants. I don't. Yeah, you do. Do I? Yeah. I don't think so. I always, like, wish for clarity in my life because I feel like there's so many things, like, just throughout my life that I've, like, tried or started out or, like, never really been, like, good at something or, like, felt, like, passionate, like, really, really strongly about something that, like, I've done before.

With my life. So I kind of just feel like I'm all over the place. So that's like always what I wished for is just like clarity and what I'm doing. And I'm still kind of like feel that way right now. Like I don't really, really know like what I want.

Yeah, I mean, I hear that. And I think that and I relate to it, obviously, because that was sort of the point that I was at when I found astrology. So obviously, just become an astrologer. But I think that it's it is about sort of taking it slow. I really think that the more that you hold your intuition and the more that you trust sort of like your past,

your sensitivities and lean into them as an asset rather than as a weakness, you're going to have more and more clarity. I think that trying to be, you know, you guys are really different. So you like you can't you're not going to have the same storyline and you're not going to have the same pathway. But I really I think that there's something around like wellness and there's something around sort of like

truth telling and a gentleness that could be really meaningful for you. You know, you're not going to have you're not like Alex in that you can like just put controversies up and then it's like and you can roll with that. Like you have to your approach is going to be sort of more tender. It's going to be more delicate and it's going to have a little bit more sort of like you're going to be thinking about the implications of things more, you know? Yeah.

And it's a good counterbalance. You guys can support each other really nicely in that. - So what's the best way for us to communicate? - Just, for you guys, just tell each other as much as you can. Just talk to each other and don't lose that line of communication. Ashton, when you're doing shady things, just tell Alex, "Alex,

Don't judge her. Okay. Yeah. Don't be mean. Just be sensitive and gentle. You know, like be sort of supportive and recognize that it's coming from a different place than it would be for you. You know? And yes, like there's a confidence building that is like part of this process. Like you deserve to be with people who treat you well, Ashton, obviously. And Alex, you know that. And it's annoying to you when you see Ashton put herself in a situation where you're like, you deserve better. Like why? But you guys are going to work together on it.

You know, it's something where you guys are going to, you know, be in process through that. So what about compatibility with like men or dating? Is that because I'm a Sagittarius, like there's one or two signs that like I'm more compatible with or...

- No, because you're not just a Sag. You also are the, you're a Scorpio rising, you're a Virgo moon, you have all of the different planets. So I like to talk about compatibility through the lens of how are we compatible with people, not whether we are compatible. What are the strengths in relationships? And we talked about last time your boyfriend and the compatibility there, he's a Libra, right? - Yeah, he's a Libra. - Yeah.

I mean, Libra is really beautiful for you because the way that and when is his birthday? October 6th. Cool. Yeah. So Libra activates an area of your chart called your 11th house, which is very inspiring for you. So the relationship and the way and the way that he shows up in your life is really something that like makes you feel sort of like you do really good work with him.

You know, like you are some, he like prompts you and inspires you to be even a better version of yourself. Yeah. Also like a more humanitarian version of yourself. Also thinking of like how you could actually make really a big difference and do positive things in the world. And that,

is a really nice compliment to who you are and what your natural motivation is. - Okay, cool. And what is it like my problem with like commitment? I have like very big commitment issues I feel.

I mean, that's like the Sagittarius tale as old as time story. Sag is the archer and it likes to sort of like throw its arrow and just run. You know, it's like it's on, it's literally represented by a horse, you know, like a centaur. So you got to go, you know, like got a blast. Like you can't stay there and just like get bored. I love change. I think that's my problem is I'm uncomfortable being comfortable. Like I always need to feel a sense of like,

I'm stressed out or like I'm panicked or I don't know what's going on or like I can't see a clear end. Like, do you know what I mean? I always need to be a little bit lost in the sauce. I think that's great.

I think you need that. And I think that that's where your ambition comes from. And I think that it's good to have that sense, especially like at where you are in your life right now. Like there's gonna be different seasons in your life, right? Like you don't want to impose that. If you want kids, you don't wanna impose that on your kids. But for you right now at this age, like that's a good place to be. - Yeah, but when it comes to a relationship, I feel like it's like,

I had always preferred to be in a relationship where I could see the ending like I knew that like we wouldn't last because of xyz right and like the fact like I'm with Braxton and I'm like he's perfect he's great like I see no end like sometimes that's something for me where I'm like oh my god oh my god like I'm committing to this for life oh my god and then I freak out and like what how do I stop that or is that just part of me I do think it's part of you but I also think that

how does Braxton respond when you react like when you feel that he's very like open to my issues he's like okay like no stress like he doesn't ever try to like push anything or push me in any type of way even when we like I couldn't commit to like saying that we were dating for so long because I was like the labels gonna stress me out because then once we say we're dating then like then we have to know like when we're breaking up like I just like I would freak out like that so he was like okay so then let's

let's not have a label on it. Like he's very like chill with my craziness. Yeah, we love a Libra. That's so Libra. But what about Libra being, because I always got warned with Libra men that they were like really flirty and like bad.

That's what I always heard. Well, one, not all, not everyone is the same. We have a whole chart. But two, like that also is like not the worst thing for you. Yeah. Like you also like need a little bit of excitement if somebody was just like constantly doting on you without ever having their own personality. Yeah. OK. It's good for your boyfriend to be charming enough where you're like, oh, yeah. Yeah. He's hot. Yeah. Great. And then what for Ashton? What's best for Ashton?

- So Ashton, the number one thing that we need to focus on is are they available? That's the question. That's gonna be your biggest measure. I don't honestly care what sign they are. I just want them to be available. - Okay.

- Like available physically or emotionally? - All of it. Physically, emotionally, I don't want you in long distance relationships. I know it's your favorite. But I don't want it. - All of Ashton's relationships. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. I want you to be, then that's the physical, emotional, someone who's actually present, someone who's there with you.

Because they do become ghosts, right? If they're not physically there. Yeah, that's the thing I've noticed. When I'm, like, not with someone and I'm, like, supposed to be, I'm kind of like, eh. They're not out of sight, out of mind. Yeah. It's like, eh. Yeah, so it's... And it goes both ways. Like, you do need to open up, as we were talking about. But, like, your opening up is going to be... You have to be with someone who is, like...

disgusting. Like you have to be with someone who's like like who's sensitive and who can hold space for you being complex. No more disgust though, Ashton. You know what I mean. Yes, I get the ick so bad all the time. Oh my god. Woo!

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- This is your rubric, it's not like what sign are you? It's like those things. Like are you a reasonable, not disgusting person who's actually physically there? And can physically be with you, and emotionally be there with you. - Okay, good to know. - I feel like part of the allure of someone who's not fully available is that it keeps this sort of intrigue for you around what's gonna happen and how is this going to unfold and what's the storyline.

But it really damages your confidence, you know? And I don't want you to just like feel like your confidence is being shot time and time again. So the person who is actually probably a little bit boring, a little sweet, a little bit sort of like even a little quiet might actually be the right person for you. You know, you don't need to find this like over the top charismatic person.

exhausting energy. You know, you want someone who's going to actually be present if you want to find someone long-term. Yeah. That's your long-term person, but you're also, like, too young to get married. Yeah. Yeah. We don't need long-term. No. But still, I don't want you to have your confidence, like, busted up by these losers. Yeah. So she dated a Sagittarius, and then I also dated a Sagittarius as well, and it was, like, the worst match ever. Like, we would...

Her Sagittarius and me would... Hated each other. We hated. No, we didn't hate each other. We just...

butt heads a lot. Yeah. Yeah. This is the one we were telling you about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you don't need to necessarily date a Sag. You know, like Sages are really vivacious and intense and you have one. You have your sister who's a wonderful Sag. But again, I'm less concerned about what the sign is and more concerned about like the other qualities. Like if they're available, if they're kind, if they're sensitive, if they don't have like five girlfriends, you know.

It's good to know. Is there anything else you see for me like this year? Yeah. So this year for you is going to be a lot about your community and your network and figuring out who your people are.

And that's going to be sort of like the most important focus for you in 2025 is like what, who is on, like who do I actually get along with? Who do I actually have a good time with? And then how can I bring those people into this next journey of wherever I'm going? You know, how can I sort of like,

build a community that is going to support me and keep growing with me. And also finding your community online too, like finding the people who are there for you and the people who really relate to the work that you're doing and what you care about and all of the things that make you who you are. Interesting. And then also, I mean, 2025 this year is like a very wild year for all of us in the collective. There's a lot of really big changes happening. Is TikTok getting banned?

- I don't know, that I can't tell you. But I can tell you that there's gonna be a lot of social media change. - Oh Jesus. - So it might, it might. Because one of the things that's changing in astrology is the planet that moved into a sign in 2011, which is sort of when I see social media sort of becoming what it is now, is changing signs for the first time in 14 years. So it feels like there is a changing of the guard happening.

But I'm telling you that because if you know that, like, you can be on top of it. You know, you can be ready for the change when it comes. Ready to pivot. Ready to, like, you know, go in a different direction as needed. So, yeah, I don't know. But there is going to be a lot of change. Okay. And what else this year is happening in the planets? There's going to be a big movement towards...

new starts, new beginnings, new chapters. And I love that for all of us because like who doesn't want a new chapter one and two, it's like if there's things that we haven't been, that we've been waiting to pursue, but have been afraid to actually like get started with, then this new year 2025 provides us with the opportunity to be like, you know what, I'm going to assign this task

to 2025 and like make it my business to do it and make it my business to actually like get serious about whatever it is. So it's really this like invitation to like if there's something that you've been waiting for, like now is the chance to do it. Okay. So for me, also something I struggle with is I don't know like where I want to live or where I want to be. And I feel like I can't commit to one place. Is that just like...

I'm using this as a therapy session. It's interesting because next year for you is so much about travel and expansion. And I feel like you're not supposed to know where you want to live right now because you're still not really supposed to be stuck anywhere. Okay. Okay. Good to know. Yeah. There'll be a time and place for that, but it's not now.

- Okay. - And again, you have such a good intuition around things, like in the same way that you're like, Barcelona is not for me right now because I'm not gonna be able to do what I need to do if I go there.

there's probably a reason that you're like, I don't know where I want to live, you know? And that reason is probably that you're not really supposed to like be too anchored yet. You're supposed to still be nimble because you're figuring out where the best place for you to land is. Okay. And you said August, September is a time of like honing in on something and perfecting something. Okay. And is there any other like major points of this year that you see anything happening for me? Well, let's see.

I think that it could be in March when we have Neptune moving into Aries, which is for you activating this creativity zone of your chart. That would be a very great time to release something. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. I am. Okay. Cool. What about for Ashton?

I hate that I can't say anything. I'm like, okay. You better tell me after. Okay. Not fair. Ashton, for you, I think that this year is really, really, really about like doing the emotional work. I could see that. Are you? Yeah. Speak, Ashton. What?

I don't know. I feel. I feel. I get it. I understand. I think that this year for you is like really like this quest that you're on of figuring out what you want. Like that's what you should be doing. Okay. And it's the right. That's a good question to have. You know, what do I want? And also something to keep in mind is that you can change your mind whenever you want to. You're not stuck. You know, we're never trapped into a narrative. Like we have choice. We have free will. We have flexibility. But.

For you to start to discern what you like and what you don't like, that's great work. Well, Ashton's graduating this year, so that's a really big year for her and change and figuring out what you want to do. What are you thinking that you want to do? I want to move to New York.

once I graduate but I don't really move to New York to an old apartment that's what I want with like crown molding that's haunted that's literally what I was telling you I love haunted stuff I was saying to someone I don't know if it was Sally or someone but I was like I really want like an old apartment with like the old molding and just like all the vibes in it that's exactly what you should have okay cool and then I need to find one can you please find a ghost for me I want to see a ghost so bad yeah should I like get into like ghost hunting literally okay yes

actually but more than ghost hunting it's like mediumship it's like channeling really yeah Tyler Henry that's like crazy like you think I have that in me yeah how do you channel that yeah how do you go it's different for everyone but it's really about first step is learning how to trust your intuition and trust yourself

And not be afraid of that, right? Like, not be afraid to bring that into a conversation or be like, you can be the witchiest girl in the room. Like, that's okay. You should be, you know? If you are, then be the witchiest girl in the room. You don't have to be basic. You know what I mean? Like, you can really be the weirdo. It's great. I embrace it. I love it. I think it's fantastic. I love that. Oh, I feel like you needed to hear that. Yeah.

This is amazing. Permission. Ashton wants to get into modeling, too. But she won't say it. But I'll say it for her. Yes. I mean, I would say that, like, obviously, just be gentle with yourself because you're really sensitive, you know? So just make sure that you're doing this work as you're presenting yourself and going out there into the world. Because obviously, it's like that's a notoriously, like, ruthless industry. And I think that's also why I, like, don't even...

tell people that I want to go into it because I'm already like nervous of like what people will say or think or think about me when I like talk about that yeah because like I don't even know Ashton's confidence is something that she has to work on for sure it makes me sad and that's why I feel like I get overbearing with hers because I feel like she sometimes like lacks self-confidence and she's so perfect and she just doesn't like admit it or see it

--Yeah, I mean a son in the 12th house has can be that. You know, it can really but an example there's like very lots of examples of people who have son in the 12th house like

Mariah Carey has an Aries son in the 12th house and she obviously has not let that hold her back from being Mariah Carey. So I feel like there's ways that you can figure out how to do it and how to integrate all of it. But yeah, I think that honestly, Ashton, after this conversation, knowing that you are officially certified psychic magic witch, I really feel in my heart that you are gonna have more confidence after this. - I do too.

I do too. I really do because you're going to feel more seen. Yeah. Or at least like validated in my own like thoughts and opinions. Yes. And then another piece of it is that you need to feel safe. Stability and safety and security are really, really important for you. And being sort of like outside of your comfort zone can feel really lonely and feel really sort of like

uncomfortable scary yeah and that's not necessarily something you have to run away from though like we do want to challenge ourselves we do want to become stronger people who are more capable of withstanding different types of circumstances and conditions so it's not like this doesn't feel good I should never do it yeah but it is something it's like a you have to work up to it you know so is there anything that you're working on anything you want to talk about or I have a podcast

I have, it's called Horoscope Weekly. It comes out every Monday. I'm going to be a new subscriber. Yes. My book came out not that long ago. Is this the book you brought? It's the book I brought. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. It's 365 days of reflections on astrology and tarot and manifestations and magic. So you can flip to a random page every day and see what the message is. You can go through it for an entire year. I love that. I love that.

So fun. Well, thanks for coming on Hot Mess. Thank you. Thank you so much. We're going to have to do another catch up. Looking forward to the year. Yes, it's going to be a great one. It's going to be a wild one. Yay. Well, thank you, Lisa. Thank you. Wait, did I just turn that off? How do I get that back on? I'm a hot mess.

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