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A Cosmic Conversation with Kip Thorne

2024/11/26
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以主持《宇宙:时空之旅》和《星谈》等科学节目而闻名的美国天体物理学家和科学传播者。
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Neil deGrasse Tyson与Kip Thorne讨论了后者在引力波探测、电影《星际穿越》科学顾问工作以及相关物理学理论方面的贡献。对话涵盖了引力波探测技术LIGO的研发历程,其中包括对早期研究的回顾、技术挑战的克服以及最终成功的意义;讨论了虫洞和时间旅行的可能性,以及霍金的宇宙审查猜想;探讨了《星际穿越》中涉及的科学概念,例如黑洞、时间膨胀、潮汐力等,并对电影中一些科学设定的合理性进行了分析和解释;还涉及到量子力学与广义相对论的统一问题,以及科学研究中的合作与挑战。 Kip Thorne详细阐述了LIGO项目从最初设想、技术攻关到最终探测到引力波的全过程,强调了团队合作和长期坚持的重要性。他还解释了《星际穿越》中一些关键科学概念的物理学基础,例如虫洞、时间膨胀、潮汐波等,并回应了Neil deGrasse Tyson对电影中某些设定的质疑。此外,Thorne还分享了他对虫洞时间旅行可能性、霍金宇宙审查猜想以及量子力学与广义相对论统一问题的看法,并表达了他对科学与艺术结合的兴趣。

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Why did Kip Thorne become involved in the movie 'Interstellar'?

Thorne's involvement began with a brainstorming session with Linda Ope, an ex-girlfriend and big producer of sci-fi films. They wrote a treatment for a movie called 'The Warped Side of the Universe,' which the Nolan brothers later adapted into 'Interstellar.' Thorne's role expanded from science advisor to executive producer as he collaborated closely with Christopher Nolan to ensure the film's science was accurate and compelling.

What was the main scientific guideline for 'Interstellar'?

The guideline was that nothing in the movie would violate well-established physical laws, and all wild elements would spring from science in some manner, adhering to the principles of good science fiction.

How did Kip Thorne respond to Neil deGrasse Tyson's issue with the tidal wave scene in 'Interstellar'?

Thorne explained that the wave was a solitary wave, discovered in the 1700s, which can travel long distances without changing shape. He acknowledged some exaggeration in the CGI wave for dramatic effect but provided a backstory that the planet had a subsurface island, making the wave's behavior plausible within the film's context.

What is the significance of the time dilation on Miller's planet in 'Interstellar'?

The extreme time dilation required the planet to orbit very close to the black hole, close enough to be in the unstable zone. Thorne's calculations showed that a black hole spinning extremely close to its maximum possible spin could produce the necessary time difference, allowing for the planet's existence within the film's narrative.

How did Kip Thorne justify the blight on Earth in 'Interstellar'?

Thorne consulted with Caltech biologists who identified two types of blights: generalized and specific. They couldn't rule out a lethal generalized blight that could attack multiple crops, leading to the scenario depicted in the film where humanity must find a new planet to survive.

What was the bet between Kip Thorne, Stephen Hawking, and John Preskill about?

The bet was about whether information is lost in black holes. Hawking initially believed information was lost, but later conceded to Preskill, who argued that information is preserved. Thorne, while not conceding, acknowledged an alternative formulation of quantum mechanics where information could be lost.

What is the current status of the marriage between general relativity and quantum physics?

The two theories are logically incompatible at extremely strong gravitational fields, such as near black holes or during the birth of the universe. String theory is one approach trying to reconcile them, but it has yet to achieve a definitive solution. Thorne believes string theory is likely to succeed but acknowledges it may take another generation of physicists to fully integrate the two.

What is Kip Thorne's current project after retiring from active scientific research?

Thorne is focusing on creative work at the interface between science and the arts, including a book of poetry and paintings about the warped side of the universe. He is also working on a history of the LIGO project, highlighting the technical, political, and sociological challenges that led to the discovery of gravitational waves.

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This chapter explores Kip Thorne's background, his involvement in the movie Interstellar, and the importance of science in science fiction films. It highlights Thorne's collaboration with the Nolan brothers and the unique approach to ensuring scientific accuracy in the film.
  • Kip Thorne's collaboration on the book "Gravitation", a graduate-level textbook on Einstein's theory of relativity.
  • Thorne's role as executive producer and science advisor on the film Interstellar.
  • The importance of scientific accuracy in science fiction films.

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Could you travel back in time through a wormhole? Neil deGrasse Tyson sits down with theoretical physicist and Nobel Laureate Kip Thorne to reflect on discovering gravitational waves with LIGO, the science in the movie Interstellar, black holes, and many more mysteries still yet to be answered.

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