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Getting Hypnotized with David Spiegel

2025/1/10
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David Spiegel
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Gary O'Reilly
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Neil deGrasse Tyson
以主持《宇宙:时空之旅》和《星谈》等科学节目而闻名的美国天体物理学家和科学传播者。
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Gary O'Reilly: 我认为催眠术既不是夺取控制,也不是给予控制,而是一种让人们能够驾驭并操控神经元矩阵,从而改变自身精神状态的方法。它是一种改变人们心理状态的方式,和心理疗法一样古老,但其运作机制仍然是一个谜。 Neil deGrasse Tyson: 我对催眠术持怀疑态度,认为它更多的是一种舞台表演,而非真正的科学。我见过魔术师在舞台上表演催眠,其中有很多戏剧性的成分,这让我对催眠术的真实性产生了疑问。 David Spiegel: 催眠是一种高度专注的状态,它伴随着某种程度的解离,让人们能够尝试不同的自我状态。催眠可以帮助人们专注于当前的体验,减少分心,并尝试不同的自我状态。催眠易感性与大脑中特定区域的活动以及基因差异有关。虽然一些药物可能影响多巴胺水平从而影响催眠易感性,但目前没有可靠的药物能够改变催眠易感性。催眠并非操纵潜意识,而是增强人们对平时不常思考的想法和体验的访问。催眠通过抑制大脑中“默认模式网络”的活动来实现,让人们能够摆脱对自我的既有认知,从而尝试不同的自我状态。催眠可以帮助人们回忆起平时无法意识到的记忆,但并不意味着回忆的内容总是正确的。催眠通过缩小注意力范围,让人们更容易接受非同寻常的事情。催眠不会让人永久地失去控制,人们可以自行结束催眠状态。催眠和冥想有所不同,催眠更侧重于解决问题,而冥想更侧重于提升身心健康。虽然未经训练的人进行自我催眠可能存在风险,但其益处大于风险,例如在疼痛控制方面非常有效。催眠可以帮助人们改善身心健康,例如戒烟、控制疼痛、改善睡眠等。催眠带来的益处可以是长期的,但可能需要持续的练习和维护。催眠在普通医疗实践中应用不足的原因是多方面的,包括人们的恐惧、制药公司的影响以及对非药物干预手段的低估。疼痛不仅仅是神经刺激,也发生在大脑中,因此可以通过改变大脑活动来管理疼痛。催眠更常用于治疗慢性疼痛,而不是处理急性疼痛。催眠可以实时改变大脑对疼痛信号的处理方式。催眠影响大脑中的三个主要网络:显著性网络、执行控制网络和默认模式网络。催眠可以帮助人们克服恐惧,例如对核磁共振成像的恐惧。催眠可以帮助人们克服飞行恐惧症等各种恐惧症。催眠可以提升运动表现,帮助运动员放松身心,专注于自身状态。

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What is hypnosis according to Dr. David Spiegel?

Hypnosis is a state of highly focused attention, often compared to looking through a telephoto lens, where you dissociate from your surroundings and turn down the salience network. It involves three key components: intense focus, dissociation, and the ability to try out being different.

How does the salience network function in hypnosis?

The salience network warns you of important stimuli, like a loud noise. During hypnosis, this network is turned down, allowing you to focus intensely on a specific experience and dissociate from external distractions.

What is the default mode network and how does it relate to hypnosis?

The default mode network is active when you reflect on your identity and past experiences. In hypnosis, activity in this network is suppressed, allowing you to suspend usual assumptions about yourself and think differently, which has therapeutic potential.

How does hypnosis affect pain perception?

Hypnosis reduces activity in the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex, part of the pain network, and controls the insula, a mind-body conduit. This allows the brain to regulate pain perception more effectively, often reducing pain in real time.

What are the therapeutic benefits of hypnosis?

Hypnosis can help with stress reduction, pain management, insomnia, smoking cessation, and addiction. It allows individuals to focus on solutions, change their mental state, and suspend negative self-assumptions, often leading to long-term behavioral changes.

How does the hypnotic induction profile test work?

The test involves guiding someone to relax, close their eyes, and focus on a specific instruction, like having one hand float up like a balloon. The response is scored on a zero to 10 scale, measuring their ability to alter their body's sensations and reactions.

Can hypnosis be used to recover memories, and is it reliable?

Hypnosis can help recall memories, but it is not always reliable. Memories recalled under hypnosis can be influenced by suggestion, and there are legal restrictions in places like California, where hypnotically recovered memories are only admissible under strict conditions.

How does hypnosis compare to meditation?

Hypnosis is problem-focused, aiming to change how you react to specific issues like stress or pain. Meditation, on the other hand, is about open presence, letting thoughts flow without trying to control or change them. Hypnosis is likened to an antibiotic, while meditation is more like a vitamin.

What role do genetics play in hypnotizability?

Genetic differences, such as variants in the catechol-O-methyltransferase gene, which metabolizes dopamine, can influence hypnotizability. People with a moderate speed of dopamine metabolism tend to be more hypnotizable than those with faster or slower metabolism.

Can hypnosis enhance athletic performance?

Yes, hypnosis can improve athletic performance by helping athletes focus on their body’s movements and reduce excess tension. For example, the Stanford women’s swimming team and Tiger Woods have used hypnosis to enhance their performance by focusing on their technique and calming their bodies.

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The episode starts by defining hypnosis, separating it from stage acts. It's described as a state of highly focused attention and dissociation, where the salience network is downregulated, allowing for a different experience of self.
  • Hypnosis is a state of highly focused attention and dissociation.
  • The salience network is downregulated during hypnosis.
  • Hypnosis allows for trying out being different.

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Hypnosis—stage act or science? Neil deGrasse Tyson, joined by co-hosts Chuck Nice and Gary O’Reilly, dives into the mysterious world of hypnosis with clinical psychiatrist David Spiegel. What is hypnosis? Is it about losing control—or gaining it?

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