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Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe so that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode.
So here we are in Augusta. So they drive up, they drive to Sutton's house and she's like, I just love Augusta, Georgia. It's where I grew up. And of course, it's also where I learned the art of ballet. Let's get some pictures of that. Okay, great. Thank you. And I have all my childhood friends and they're still my friends for life. They're still my friends for life. So we see a lot of pictures of her hurt too and re-beholding her. And I can tell you right now,
that is some evil me my hair and i think they all had it back then because my meemaw had it too and that woman was a terrorist she was terrifying it was a very sweet lady but especially in the younger years she could be terrifying oh my god ronnie i have a question do we think that sutton loves augusta because i'm not sure she's said it this episode has she said i love augusta this episode has she she has actually she has augusta i love augusta i just love augusta i am so happy in augusta
Yeah, and I like when she said that all her childhood friends are still like, she's like, they're and they're still here in my life. Now, do I talk to them? No. Do I acknowledge them? No. Do I allow them to look at me in the eye? No, but they still are in my life. I see them on the fringes. Do I ever invite them to the Elton John party?
Oscars party? No, I don't. But you know what? Maybe one day I'll see him at Giorgio's somewhere. Is that where we're eating Italian food? I don't know. It's not Chuck E. Cheese. Sorry, it's not glamorous as Chuck E. Cheese, but we do what we can in Augusta, which I love. I am nervous when anyone meets my mother for the first time. It doesn't matter who they are, especially now Garcelle and Kyle have flown all the way out here to Georgia. Please be nice, Mom.
i would be nervous too like i was waiting honestly i'm not gonna lie i was waiting for some cringy microaggression to come out of reba's mouth when she met garcelle and i'm i'm still waiting for it because i feel like it's gonna happen and i came out of her eyes that's for sure she was like lasering microaggression all over the place and garcelle i mean if you could pantomime microaggressions this woman's the marcella marceau of augustine microaggressions the marcel marceau of microaggressions
And Garcelle picks up on it because Garcelle hates her. And I love it because Garcelle's like, oh, I'm not going to let this lady get away with this. Yeah, you have to put up with your mother. I don't. Get over here, you old bitch. I'll take you down. Garcelle's like, I've been practicing my whole life for this moment. Hold on. Okay.
No, Reba. Next time I meet your mother, could it be at the top of a flight of stairs? Thank you. That's my only request. Have you ever seen that feel-good movie, Dolores Claiborne? So... They show up at this house. It's enormous, and it's very southern. It's got the columns and the manicured lawns and the, you know, probably mosquitoes the size of little dogs ready to suck the fucking life out of you. The doorbell literally goes, I say, I say, I say...
So they go in and so it's like, oh, come on, guys. It's not that big. It's just 4,500 square feet. Come on, give me a break. Oh, sure. Not that big. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
So Garcelle says, well, I don't expect anything less from Sutton. The house is opulent and beautiful and there's just a Southern feel about it. You know, old school people on their porches, having lemonade, waving to your neighbors, not saying what they really feel. It has just that feeling, you know, and you don't get that in Beverly Hills.
everybody's behind a gate in Beverly Hills. And so they check out the house and there's these huge, I mean, just gorgeously done rooms. Now, I will say the furnishings and all that other stuff are not great, this house. I mean, I think it needs a little work on the interior. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it just was...
It's just so not my style. It's just not. It was definitely very Southern, kind of old. It wasn't old timey, but it felt old fashioned. And it just, it felt like a kind of like a hotel more than it did a house that people lived in.
Yeah, I need some more fanciness in the furnishings. I'll say that. But I loved all the paneling and all. I mean, it's a pretty house. Okay, so they look at their rooms and stuff. And then Kyle is looking at pictures and saying who people are, you know. And then we see John Clark and his wife, Ashley. He's the brother. And then we see Sutton and all her children when they were young. And she's like, do you want to see some good ones? Here's some good pictures of Reba. And they're like, why do you have...
prison bars in front of her face. Oh, I added those in Photoshop later. That just makes me feel better. Like one day Mama's going to meet her karma. You know?
And we see pictures of Sutton in her debutante gown, etc. And so then Garcelle, then Reba shows up with her friend Jim from Savannah. I love that they put friendly quotation marks. Like the editors were like, insinuate that Reba's a dirty rotten whore. Here comes that slut Reba with her latest John named Jim. Slut.
Garcelle's like, oh, hello. Ha ha ha.
And so it's like, oh, hi, mom. Hi. Hi. And Garcelle's like, oh, nice to meet you. And Reba's like, nah, thank you. Good to see you, too. And then she sees, you know, she's just saying hello to people. And Garcelle's just so sweet. She just keeps saying, so good to see you. Wonderful. How do you do? Nice to see you. Wonderful to be here. Aren't you gorgeous? And the mom's just like, uh-huh. And then she sees Kyle and she's like, oh, well, aren't you pretty? And Garcelle goes, why didn't she say that to me? Yeah. Yeah.
Everybody's like, this is Jim, my friend from Savannah. He's got a dick the size of three clown feet. Oh, mother on television. His name is Jim, but we call him Jimmy Dean because he's got a sausage down the front of his pants. Ain't that right, Jimmy? Mother, that's a television. Oh, didn't realize that's what that was. I thought it was a new Taycan Toyota.
So Kyle's like, nice to meet you. So they're like having some chit chat and everything. And Garcelle comes in, she steps away and comes back with a gift box. And she's like, well, hope this goes over well. Reba, I bought you a little present just to say, you know, hi, whatever. And she goes, oh, goody.
What is it? She goes, well, you've got to open it, Reba. She goes, oh, well, I'd like to know what it is first. I don't just open things that random people tell me to open. You got to tell me what it is or am I going to have to electrocute it out of you, Jim?
Kyle's like, I got you a gift too. Oh my God, I can't wait to see what your gift is, Kyle. I'm going to open it right away. Don't even tell me what it is. So Garcelle's like, well, why would I tell you what the gift is? She goes, why are you laughing? What is it? Is it a trick? Is it a snake in a box? Is it a lizard? I swear to God, I saw one of those on the patio the other day and I said, Sutton, I told you to moisturize.
I'm calling the police. So then Reba opens it up and there's like a scarf. And she's like, oh...
A scarf. This is real nice. Real nice northern top gift you'd give me right now. What am I going to do with this? Wipe up a stain? And Sutton's just embarrassed. She's like, I took the time. I went to Saks. I picked out a gift. I had it wrapped. I brought it on the commercial flight. Maybe I should have pulled a Kyle and brought nothing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
So she's like, well, maybe I could use this as a sarong. I don't know. So, well, you could do that. Whatever you want is yours now, bitch. Yeah.
Um, I've not been recording this whole time. I hope you're recording. Did you? I am recording. Okay. I did. Jesus Lord. So if I sound shitty today or shittier than usual, that's why it's just been dealing with this episode. Y'all excuse you. You always sound good on my, with, with my recordings as well. Your audio comes through. I capture your good audio. It's not like I, it's not like I have an old cassette player in your house that I've got a live feed from. Very fun. Yeah.
So they go look at the backyard and it's enormous and gorgeous. And then there's like a little servant's quarters in the back. Well, it's an enormous servant's quarters. It's bigger than my house, but it's huge. And that's where Miss Reba lives. And she's like, well, you know, after setting left hand, she needed some place to come back for her, you know, Christian and the children, especially Christian.
So we decided I should live on the property as well. When she asked me, she said, Mama, I would just like to know where you are at all times so it's just easier to burn your house down if it's on the same property.
And I said, and then she said something about a store. I don't know. She put some dresses in a shop that's about the size of my kitchen in the servants quarters. And I'm supposed to be impressed. I don't even know. Anyway, where's this scarf from her shitty little boutique? Sorry. Did I say the S word? I'm sorry. Is this a gender free scarf?
You know, her mom's over five. And that's probably also one of the reasons she doesn't like Sutton's story is because Sutton has a lot of non-gender. What do you call that?
Non-binary. Yes, non-binary. Thank you. Non-gendered clothing. But you know what I mean. Non-binary clothing and stuff like that's kind of her niche, I think, right? And so the mom's probably like, disgusting. So Garcelle tries again. And she's like, oh, well, Reba, I love your grandchildren. Very smart, very sweet kids. And she goes, they are smart. James is kind of weird. And they start cracking up. And Garcelle just goes, well, I got a weird one, too. And she goes, yeah, I know. I've seen him.
Wow. Wow. Well, then if you've seen him, then you know that Garcelle is a great friend to your daughter. So you should really be nicer to Garcelle. Fucking evil old lady. God, the only thing this house is missing is a pool to drown your ass in.
It's the first haunted house where the ghosts are scared of the humans. So Sutton is like, well, now, mom, now, why would you call James Ward? He's like the cool one. He's like cool in school. Sutton is so upset. Like she finally raised a cool child. Yeah.
And the grandma's undermining him. The first one that hasn't been bullied. And of course, he's going to be bullied anyway by Reba. And Kyle's like, well, I mean, I feel like I'm supposed to say I have a weird one, too, because like everyone else does. I mean, I'm not going to. But I mean, I guess I'm supposed to. Here's me, Kyle. Everybody's completely normal and popular.
just say kim's your daughter you'll be fine um the other thing is i love that kyle's even competitive about having weird kids like what they hope they both have weird kids where's my weird kid i don't have a weird kid should i say should i say i have a weird kid um so sutton's like i mean she called james weird and by the way james is the cool kid in school by the way well then i said i have one too and she goes oh i know well how'd she know well reba reba's been stalking you on the gram carousel
which is surprising. I think she stalked me because I was actually in the Halloween part of the franchise kind of.
Well, the only reason she signed up for that was because she thought it was something called Instagram and it would be a bunch of other grannies. But fortunately, all she does is post on people's feeds. Your grandchildren are weird. So now over in Beverly Hills, Kathy is having a cat food dinner. Oh, my God. You should have seen the face you're frozen in. You're like, that's not right.
All right, let's go over to Kathy's Capri dinner. We see a table set with lots of glassware and flatware. Lemons everywhere. Yeah, this is very... I just went to Italy for the first time. I went to Italy, so I have lemons everywhere. Ha. Ha. Ha.
Yeah. So Kathy's Carol, who's Kathy's brand manager, also known as Lady Butler, is setting up dinner and they're like figuring out where the caviar needs to go, et cetera. So Kathy comes down the stairs and she goes, tonight is inspired by my trip to Capri. I love pasta. I love lemons. I love being on
an island where you can be at a tall point and look at poor people down below. And there are just a lot of factors when it comes to throwing a dinner party. You know, have to set up everything, have to do everything just right, spot on. It's a lot of work. I don't have to do any of it. I just walk around. But, you know, it's fun to see other people doing it. You've got Carol over there like, got it. I need the wicker photos. Hurry, Mohammed. God damn.
And she's wearing her uniform, which is just a flowery dress with a sweater put over it. And I like to think it's like a waiter's uniform for Carol where she just dresses like this for work. And, you know, that sweater's all nasty and musty and smells like cigarettes. She don't give a shit. She has to wear it every time this old bag has a Capri dinner. Yeah. So Dorit shows up and Bose shows up.
And they all sort of gather and say, oh, hello to my most favorite people in the whole entire world. And Boze is like, well, I have to put this down because I have to give you a full body hug, which is a type of hug that I invented. Now get ready for the Boze hug. You know what I'm saying? You're not touching my kneecaps, goddammit. Put your kneecaps against mine. It's a full body hug.
Kinkle to kinkle. Harder. I want one of those. Harder, please. Harder. And Dorit's like, chilling. And so they hug. And then Erica comes. And she's like, hello, everybody. Oh, God, I don't know why, girls, but I just feel good today. I feel good today. Yeah. Yeah, she's really excited. She's like, hello.
So, um, Kathy's like, well, um, I talked to Kyle, but you know, she's busy and I guess they left today. Sutton and Garcelle. Oh yeah, they went to Augusta. Oh, really? Augusta? I didn't even know they went to Maine. You have the connection to the South, so I just want to know, why weren't you invited?
Well, I know. I'm from the South. I'm like 90 miles north. You want to talk about a horrible southern mother, I'd like to put those two in a fucking pit and watch them just go at it. But I guess my chance will have to be another day, bitch. But don't you want to be mad at Kyle? Don't you want to be mad at Kyle that she didn't say why shouldn't Erica come to this trip? You should be mad.
Yeah, well, what are you going to do? Fuck them. So then we cut to the ladies in. Oh, and Kathy is also like, well, why am I not invited either? So everyone's going to pretend they're upset that they don't get to meet Sutton's mother. You don't even want to hang out with Sutton. You want to see the woman that made her? Jesus Christ. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.
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We go back to Augusta and we go to the restaurant Luigi's. Luigi's is an establishment in Augusta. And I've been coming here since I was a little girl. It's family owned. I think it's three generations. Let's take a look at Penelope. Penelope, get your close up. Penelope's like, hi, I'm Penelope from Luigi's. But I hear there's like a more popular restaurant called Mario's just down the street. Well, that's fine. But some of us like Luigi's.
So it's listen, if anyone can relate to a haunted castle, it's me. You've seen that old bag of bones trying to suck you into a vacuum cleaner and spit you back out. Oh, yeah. Dry bones. So Sutton is like, this is kind of what Augusta is. We all know each other. We all support each other. We all love each other. And then in the case of me, we ignore all the other people who know me. So any who, I just want to show Kyle and Garcelle what Augusta really is. An Italian restaurant in the middle of Georgia.
So they order and then Sutton's like, well, I'll try the spanakopita. Y'all like that? They're like, what's that? Neither one of them have ever heard of spanakopita. I can't believe it. You know what, LA people, we need to do better because we're just embarrassing at this point. Like, come on. Like, have they never been to a cocktail party? Spanakopita, like, I mean, it's like one of the most standard things
apps that's out there next to like pigs in a blanket even in fancy parties come on now let's get it yeah come on now so and so anyway they are going to learn about schmatticopoda and
And Garcelle's like, well, I don't know what it is, but we will try it. And also, when Eric and I were getting to our IVs, I mentioned that we were coming to Augusta for all the flashback. And two days earlier, spa day, Eric and Garcelle are talking. They have IVs on in their arms. Garcelle's like, well, you know, we're going to Augusta. And Kyle's going, by the way. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Well, why wouldn't you bring this to the sisterhood? This is a sisterhood situation. Why is she just taking some people and leaving other people out? And I love that they're all going to pretend to be mad at this. It's very funny to me.
And Sutton's like, well, you know, Erica and I are push and pull sometimes. And this is very emotional for me. And hence, I don't need to slut here for my mom to judge. I'm enough. Okay. I've given her enough fodder for one day. Yeah. So back in Bel Air, the other women have are gathering around having dinner, sitting around for dinner. And they are choosing their wines. Carol's like, dinner's ready if Muhammad didn't fuck it up. Muhammad's got my fucking eye on you.
So, Cathy is like, well, I'm not a wine snob, but Italian wines, you know, even, I am part Italian. I found that out. And Bozo's like, are you? What part of Italy are you from? No,
northern part of Italy. Yeah. The part that's so north, it's actually Germany. Yeah. Oh, really? Did you use 23andMe or Ancestry.com? Well, no. I was in Venice and then there was a lady and she knew everything and also said that I'm part Chinese from 3000 BC. It's just a lady. A lady in Venice told me. Just walking down the street. And
And they're like, I'm sorry. Come again? What? Bo's just laughs and she's like, girl, no. Just no. Hold on one second. I'm getting a phone call from Garcelle. Hi, Garcelle. You're on speaker. No. All right. Bye. Well, happy year of the bunny rabbit.
Actually, I think it's you're the snake. I know. But Kathy wouldn't. See? I see what you did there. Levels. Layered. I like bunny rabbits. So she's like, oh, thank you for having us over. This is much better than Augusta. And then we cut to the other group of women who are also cheersing. And they're thanking Seton for bringing them to this hellhole that serves things that nobody can pronounce. And.
And so Garcelle's like, so how are you feeling? You haven't cried yet. Are you waiting for the spanakopita? And she's like, well, you know, the Reba at all. You know, that's what's going on with me. She's my mother and I love her, but she's tough. She's a tough cookie, you know, and you know what you do with tough cookies. You put them in milk until they soften up. I tried that with her. She almost rammed, never softened.
It's a sad day. You know, she drives around with one of those bumper stickers that says stop elder abuse right now. I said, I was just trying to soften my cookie, mother. Just talk about something else. Kyle's like, I eat healthy now, so I don't really understand. So then we go to two hours. Garcelle's like, yeah, she has a tough cookie. And we go to two hours earlier, Reba opened up Garcelle's gift and Garcelle saying, you know, I've heard so much about you. Yeah, I've heard much about you, too.
She's like, good, I hope. I'm going to see. Oh, okay. Well, I've only met a glimpse of Reba, but seeing her, wow. One, I think she was tough on you, you know, because that's who she is. Let's face it. Not that she was targeting you or anything like she was targeting me.
But I just think that that's her way. And sometimes I can see you being like that in a way. Oh, my God. I can't believe she got away with this because Sutton just yes. Sutton's eyes turn into those lasers like she's like, should I scream at Garcelle? I need an ally. I need an ally. I need someone to hide behind when I call my mom a bitch. So, yes, save it. I mean, having just met Ariba, I feel like there are a lot of similarities like they're both are. How should I say this?
tough. And we see a montage, well, we just see Sonny go, "Name 'em, name 'em, name 'em, name 'em." You know, no one wants to inch in and make amends or say, "I'm sorry," but I hope they can figure it out when they're gone. And you know, you would do anything to have one more conversation, to see them one more time, to hug them one more time. You don't want to have regrets. Although with Reba, maybe we can let that slide.
It's like I told Kyle when she got bangs.
You don't want regrets, Kyle. No. She didn't listen to me. Now look at her. She's still trying to outrun them. And Kyle's like, yeah, well, I remember when you opened your store, you had a conversation with your mom. Do you remember that? Roll the clip because I don't really remember. I don't remember anything. Roll the clip. So they do. And it's when she's like, Mama, I've spent a lot of money. I've spent a lot of time. All my heart is in this store. And it's important for me that you take it seriously. And Reba's like, okay, shall we move on?
all your heart and all your soul into this. Well, I knew you had a small heart and a small soul. Look at this shoe box. So then a sudden is like, it just has to just, it's just that in that moment, like, you know, I was so excited to have her in the store and I worked really hard to open up that store and to have my mother come in and not be supportive or overwhelmed with joy for me. I deserve better than that. I deserve better than that for my mother.
Okay, you know, do you deserve it? Yes, you can. But you can't change a clock. You know what I get? You can't change a clock. So let me literally can change a clock. You can't change a clock. That was a bad one. You can't make a baby not poop.
Every time you're trying to change it. Okay. That's just how babies are. Like, what are you going to do? She's a very old baby. And also Sutton kind of answers her question later in the episode when she says really the only reason that she cares so much about Christian is because of the lifestyle and the money. And now she sees you spending all this money that you've got basically from being married to Christian. And I'm not saying you don't deserve that money, but in your mom's mind,
she's thinking, oh, here she's taking all this money that she could be using to make sure that I'm going to be okay. And she's spending it all on this exorbitant rent in West Hollywood on this stupid store. Yeah, yeah.
I see that. So then Garcelle is like, well, what do you, in her way, what do you want her to do? She goes, well, I want her to respect me. Maybe that's what I'm looking for, respect. When Christian and I got divorced, her first question was, well, who's going to pay for this? You know, who's going to pay for everything? Who's going to pay for the car? Who's going to pay for everything? And I said, mom, that's my question to ask, not yours. So Garcelle says, well, that's mom making sure you're going to be okay. It's not necessarily negative. Although we can all agree that Reba's pretty much a bitch, right? Right, everyone? Yeah.
And Sutton's like, well, it was about her. It wasn't about me. Who's going to pay for me? It was about who's going to pay for her bills. And she says, yeah, she was so nervous I wasn't going to have enough money to help support her lifestyle. That was very clear. I said, Mama, you need $5 a week to get your damn hair done. Okay? You're wearing the same muumuu from 1937. Okay? It's not like it takes that much. I can handle it. Porter can handle it. For Christ's sake, could you just support my store?
mama we all know you get your hair done at super cuts okay it's one and away from what we all call you so then garcelle is like well do you feel like she's seen you like the difference between you being christian's wife the homemaker the mother to now being a businesswoman on your own like do you just want her to acknowledge like and say i see what you're doing and i'm proud of you because guess what guess what she's gonna say no no
well, I think watching my mother for years give Christian so much praise. Meanwhile, I'm raising these three beautiful children. There's no sudden good for you. So then we see the picture of the kids and she's like, you know, I just want acknowledgement from my mom, which I, you know, you know, I feel for her on that one. And Garcelle's like, well, I would love to have a conversation with Reba. And the crowd's like, um, what,
would you say to reba this and they haven't even shown kyle on the scene have you noticed when they cut to kyle oh kyle's there i love it because kyle is completely a curious about anyone else so the fact that they're talking about like sutton's issues with her mom kyle's just like doing selfies on the side
But they're also not really talking to Kyle. They're just talking to each other. It's like someone made that ring, Kyle. And Garcelle says, well, pretty much that I've gotten to know you very well and that you shared things with me and maybe see how we can bridge the gap a little bit here.
And Kyle's like, um, I appreciate her optimism, but getting in the middle of a relationship that is so complex. Not that I've asked everybody to get in the middle of me and my sister's relationships for decades now. But still, like, that's presumptuous. She does that thing with her head, like, yeah, she's like, um, yeah, she does do that.
She loves doing that. Can you give me a heads up before this happens? Because I want to get it on the gram. And Sun's like, yeah, before she takes the scarf and rings your neck. So now we go back to Kathy's house. And they're now receiving some lemon pasta. And Kathy is requesting fresh sage. And Bo's like, I have a question for you, Kathy. Did you know that I invented sage? It's true. Also, I have been trying to get to know all the ladies. And, you know, I'm trying to get to know your sister really well. And...
I assume she's probably open and friendly and welcoming to some people, but I haven't found that. I found her to be cold. And I was like, I love that pose. Thank you for having me over. Here's a question I've had for you. Your sister's a real bitch. What's the deal with your sister?
Oh my gosh. She's like, I think that Kyle has been cold to me because I immediately connected with Dorit. And I mean, they have been having issues, so it kind of makes sense, but it's also very elementary school. It's really, really petty and not in the fun way. Well, I don't even know what's going on in Coyle's life. Does she open up a lot about what's going on to you, Kitty? Does she? Well, I don't know. I don't really listen too much when she's on the phone. I see Kyle's calling and I just start looking for that baby spoon that I lost about 13 years ago. I swear Carol stole it.
But anyway, you know, I just try and be careful not to bother her because she's Kyle. And when she's going through something in life and she's being traumatized, you know, not only did Mauricio leave her or she left Mauricio, I'm not really sure, but Jamie Lee Curtis isn't returning her calls, ladies. Not returning her calls. So...
so you tread lightly now and and kathy's like oh i'm comfortable and you know in love and she's she knows she has a capricorn so if you needed something she would be here and it is kind of funny that i'm having a capri party and i am serving corn and i didn't invite kyle well oh well you know kyle is kyle is kyle and let me tell you we have a half different parents and
Carl doesn't have any Chinese heritage I learned in Venice, so don't expect any sage wisdom from her. Okay. There's nothing going to be coming. Speaking of, where is the sage Muhammad? God damn it. I'm really fucking this up.
so dorit is like well kathy and rick hilton look at these beautiful monogrammed napkins so beautiful how long before kyle gets some of her own by the way my life is pretty shitty right now and when pk and i separated he was my friend well yeah of course because you get him the pringles yes exactly who couldn't help but love pj so at which point
This scene was so good. This was such a good episode. Really. It was really good. I was laughing so much. And Dorit just stares at her. And Eric is like, his name is PK. She goes, well, PK, PJ, old pasty white guy. No one wants to see him in a swimsuit. You know what I meant.
So the producer's like, Kathy, you are one of the very few long married couples. What do you attribute to your longevity? And he goes, well, she goes, well, we started out very young. We grew up together. We enjoy the same things. And, you know, we just both like being rich together and we don't have to be out at dinner with couples every single moment. We enjoy just being together and we're not, you know,
Vapid idiots like Kyle and whoever she's with. Yeah. So Dorit's like, well, when Peaky and I decided to see Parata, we decided to take some time apart. We were going to work on resentments and issues that we have that have built up.
But I was very protective of my husband. And it's because I didn't want anything and anyone to think badly of PK. And so we see flashbacks of Garcelle being like, well, I heard about PK's DUI. She goes, allegedly DUI, allegedly. He never blew. He didn't blow. And then when he went to the prison, he blew and he was under the legal limit. Mm hmm.
Well, why wouldn't you? You've chosen to have two children with him, so we understand that. Yeah, and I think that PJ's a very good father, am I correct? Wrong! Oh.
And both just, well... You know, there are times that I think P.K. is the greatest father in the world. But is he the most hands-on father? It depends. If you're a marshmallow, yes. If you're a child, no. The only time I got him to even hold the children was when I said that their names were baked in potato. Very, very sad. He disappears. He's gone for weeks and weeks without even cooling the kids. This guy's such a piece of shit.
Like seriously. And even to ask like, oh, he's a good father, right? No, he's not a good father. He's not even there. He doesn't even try to be there. And he doesn't even have any reason. He's just being a fucking asshole. You know? Yeah. He's one. He'll leave another. And now he'll go find some young to get with and have another family with them and then leave their asses to discuss a piece of shit. And guess what? He's never going to have money either. He's going to keep pissing that away, too. This guy sucks.
I protected him at all costs and no matter what. And I don't think he realizes that it's like, gee, do you even see what I'm doing for you? And so Kathy goes, well, how old is he? 56. Oh, wow. When I first met PJ, I thought he was 56 and I've known him a long time. Wow. He is not aged well. And Boze just goes, that was some shade. And Boze just starts laughing in the corner.
It was funny. And she's like, well, you know, I mean, the more I get to know him and then he lost weight. I mean, oh, I feel terrible. But oh, and that should have been the first sign, by the way. The first time when PK started to lose weight, that means they're back out there.
He's back out there. Yeah, we know it. When your husband all of a sudden just starts going to the gym, no reason, just starts going to the gym and getting himself in shape, you better start putting the Apple iFriends on his ass. Find my friends or whatever the hell. Put an AirTag. Find my Fritos. So Boze is like... I keep losing AirTags, babe. Could you keep putting them in chips, PK? Yeah.
Do you remember when you followed one all the way down the sewer line? But I didn't think he'd be doing what he's doing now. Well, what is he doing? I am the girl that wants to know. Well, he just wrote this really angry, horrible note. He says, you know, it's just about finances and I'm going to stop paying for this and you're going to be liable for that. Things like that.
So he wrote her the seven page email saying that in a month or two, she's responsible for the mortgage and all the expenses associated with the house, which is crazy. And they don't even own that house is owned by like finance. It's owned by like a partnership LLC, you know, with a bunch of different partners, like all of their homes have been. But he's expecting her to pay the entire mortgage on this. I mean, this guy's just such a piece of shit.
So Erica's like, get a fucking lawyer. And she's like, well, there was also threats of custody. Are you sure it didn't say custody? Because he doesn't want custody. Stop it.
It's true. He does not want custody of those children. He doesn't see him now. He's probably saying custody just to scare you into giving him whatever he wants because he doesn't want those kids. And she's saying that he'll be proceeding with the divorce if she doesn't bend to his will. And she's like, he's not a man I recognize at all. I mean, I used to look at a blob of burrata cheese and say, picaine.
Now I look at that cheese and I say, who are you, cheese? Who are you? Well, this is what happens when people get a divorce. The email and the comment about being a good father, the gloves are off. Everybody is in their absolute worst and that's what's coming out. I've not seen one woman have a peaceful divorce unless the guy died.
Which I was like, are we setting up a movie where we kill PK? Is that what's happening here? Oh, God. He's not with prison. This is like death because... Yeah. And how long does he have? I mean, if he was lying in bed in the hospital, you'd think he was already dead. I mean, the guy has never had sunlight in his life. He can't have that long. No offense. That's a dark thing to say, but I'm calling it now. So Erica's like, all right, can I ask you a question? You can hate me for it if you want. What do I care? Yeah.
What are you holding on to? And she's like, and Bo says, do you think he still wants to be married to you? No. Then what are you waiting for, Tariq? Well, I'm the token idiot's wife, aren't I? Token idiot's wife.
No, you don't have to add wife to that. I mean, it works in many different applications. Okay. Beau's like, no, you're not. You're not a token idiot wife. You're just a plain old straight up idiot. So, you know, what are you doing? You're just a lady with misaligned LVs on all of their bags. For some reason.
What are you going to do? What are you doing is taking off the rose-colored glasses off your face. When are you going to do that? And she's like, rose-colored glasses equals idiot. Kathy goes, well, what about contact lenses? Could you wear those instead? So she's like, well, here's what I just found out, girls.
There's law in California. Now, we've been married nine and a half years. And there's a law in there that goes, oh, yeah, I know it. It's community property. So once you're married for 10 years, you get half of everything. That's why it's trying to leave you before 10. God damn it.
And when is 10 years? And they're like six months. And Bo's like, oh, hell no. Oh my God. No. Now this is disgusting of PK. We all know it. But why are we still pretending that PK has money? PK does not have money. Okay. PK has never had money. I don't know how PK has been doing it. But how much do you think Boy George makes? How much do you think 10% of Boy George, Boy George's salary is?
Listen, I just went to Costco, got a super-sized bag of Fritos. It's a combo of Fritos, Cheetos, and Lays. I'm not giving up half of that to Dorit, all right? I'm out of this divorce. I'm doing this right now, out of this marriage, before the 10-year mark. Those chips are all mine, okay, babe?
So Erica explains this to us. She's like, in California, when you hit the 10-year mark, you're considered a long-term marriage, which means half and half. And also spousal supports forever after 10 years. So one of you is going to be paying for the length of the person's life. So if you're going to jump ship, do it before 10 years. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if PK tried to come after her for spousal support and tried to get money, show money from her.
Yeah. It seems like she's the more successful one. So Erica's like, Tweet, I'll worry about you. I'm
I'm like, how does this woman even understand how to get through life? She can't even turn on a Keurig in the morning. But I really do, okay? I cannot sit here and bullshit with you when I know what's going for you. I wouldn't be a good friend. You've begged for honesty, and I'm going to give you the honesty. You have to protect yourself. You have to go and hold on. The second price of poker has completely changed. This is not
my partner this is not my friend this is not my this is my adversary now and let me tell you that is a fucked place and i i have hair on my arms that's standing on end right now and i want to pat my puss but my hair is too prickly for me to even touch it right now because they're standing on end and they're telling her don't wait don't wait you got to do this you got to do this and um she's like but don't you think i have to be sure that i don't want to go back listen here dodo lingo
He doesn't want you back. Who doesn't want me back? P.K. But what does that mean? He doesn't want me to go back to the house? Is he doing a surprise tonight? No, he doesn't want you back in the marriage. He doesn't want me, doesn't want to see my back in the marriage? Well, we can have sex in a different position. Oh, Jesus. But I know that he wants me back. Look, it's right here in the letter. I want my baby back. Yeah, but after that it says ribs.
No, Dorit. No, Dorit. Let it go. You gotta get out. And I love that they ended it with the line, get out when Garcelle is stuck at Reba's house. I was like, this episode is perfection. What a great episode. I think it's such a good idea to kind of take the season instead of reboot the whole thing. They're just making people hang out with each other. Like how never would be with Garcelle and, uh,
I don't think that's ever happened before this season. And to just make them go alone, it's really leading to a much better season, I think. Good job, guys. Good job. Good job. You're doing great work. Thanks, everyone, for being here. It's a fun time. We'll be back in a little bit with some real uplifting Rony reunion recapping. So look forward to that. That's a fun one, guys. Everybody get on the train.
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