#2734 Crappy Hour 2/17/2025 Summer House V Southern Charm War Brews and Married 2 Med Update
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Watch what happens live every other Monday show. Hi, Ben. How are you? Great. Thank you, Ronnie. How are you doing? Oh, good. That's Ben over there. I'm Rondal. And today we're going to be talking about some Bravo Goss. What's been on your mind for the past two weeks with all this?

craziness happening in the world. I mean, not the real craziness, obviously. We avoid that. But the Bravo craziness. Yeah, it was the usual Bravo stuff. I mean, there's like... I'm not going to... You know me. I'm going to be very respectful and I'm not going to start a crappy hour on any sort of downer notes. But there's been some downer news in the world of Bravo. But there's also been the usual petty stuff. Honestly, I've just been really like...

I've just been really enjoying, you know, after our, after the crappies were done and everything, just coming back and relaxing, um, and having like finally having an exhale. And, um, you know, I've just been sort of reading the headlines and enjoying our, it's, it's fun to get back to watching Bravo and enjoying it for enjoying it and not being stressed because you have to get ready for the crappies. So that's where I'm at mentally. How about you?

Oh, good. I'm great mentally. I mean, I slept all last week because I was sick. And so I just slept and it was amazing. But one thing that happens when you do that is you read a lot of Reddit. Well, I read a lot of Reddit, you know. So I was reading a ton of Bravo News. Yeah. First up is a sad one is that Teddy has like brain tumors and stuff. Ted has brain tumors, which is so sad. So

you know, sending our best out to her because Jesus. Absolutely. I mean, obviously Teddy has been, you know, like a punching bag for so many of us in the Bravo universe and everything become a villain, et cetera. But I don't think anyone wishes this on anyone. So, you know, I,

We just hope a very speedy and healthy and quick recovery for Teddy. It's so scary. And I'm just wishing her all the best. And otherwise, I've just been reading Craig and Paige news because that's all. I mean, that's mostly what's out there is like, oh, my God, Paige and Craig broke up and then war is breaking out between the two sides.

I guess, and cast kind of. So that's been super fun to read. Traders stuff too. Traders is always on my mind. So I've been talking a lot about the Traders, et cetera, you know, because that hits our Bravo universe. All right. Well, why don't we start out with a little bit of...

Southern Charm versus not Southern Hospitality what's the northern one? The North versus the South they're calling it it's the new Civil War Summer House in the North versus Southern Charm in the South first we've got an innocent breakup and then it turns out it wasn't so innocent because everyone's going for each other

And then you've got Paige saying that she hid this breakup for a month to shield, you know, because Craig needed some time. And then Craig pretended like it was all this ambush and he had no idea and got on Instagram all charming about it. And then Paige got mad and said, he's been texting two bitches. I caught him texting two bitches.

when we were together and that was the end of summer house. And then we had Patricia and Austin kind of coming for, uh, page on watch what happens live, which we got to see behind the bar, which is cool. Yeah. And then, um,

Amanda and Kyle went on some other show and basically dissed Craig and called him a wuss and said he should have stood up for Paige. And then we have Patricia on Southern Charm saying that Paige is mean. So the latest in what's happened is Sierra, you

You know, I think that Sierra wasn't meant to be on Traders. It was supposed to be Lindsay. And I think that Sierra was hired after Lindsay was let go after Dorinda outed her pregnancy and told everybody that she either had a miscarriage or was going to miscarry. I mean, I don't know. That was a whole mess from another couple of crappy hours ago. But the latest is Sierra being on Traders. And I have to say, that show has given her a lot more confidence. And may I say personality? Do I say it? What do you think? Well, you know...

It's kind of funny about the personality part because after last season of Summer House, she had a really strong season last year. And we kept on saying, wow, Sierra's really come out of her shell. Like we're really finally seeing so much personality from Sierra. And then the season sort of ends and

the old image of Sierra kind of like returned to my head of like oh Sierra she has no personality she doesn't say anything so it's like seeing her have personality on the traders is funny because we're like oh wow look at her she has personality all of a sudden but the truth was she actually already came out of her shell we just she has that kind of persona like an Emily Simpson where when you're sort of like out of sight out of mind they kind of like she's not like Emily I'm just saying then when out of sight out of mind you're like at least send me a taco oh

You know, you're like, Emily's only okay. Why is she still on the show? And then you watch her on camera and you're like, oh yeah, Emily does good work on this show. So I think sometimes it's hard to remember that Ciara does actually have a lot of personality. It's just that

You know, it's just not always, you know, the problem is she's not always a funny personality. And I think that may be why we always think of her as kind of like more boring. Let me word it this way. Maybe not personality, but I guess what I find lacking in her, I mean, I've always, I enjoy Sierra. So it's not like I'm dissing her like I don't like her. I'm just saying that.

She, I guess on Summer House, she's got stronger personalities around her that she's kind of just a person in the ensemble on that show. Whereas this, I think maybe more confidence as a solo artist, maybe is a better way to put it because her confidence is much more noticeable, I think on Traitors. And it wasn't at first, it took a few weeks.

But I'm really liking her on there. I think she's been really funny on there. So I think it's been really good for her is my point. So anyway, this latest is Sierra going on Us Weekly and coming for Patricia, which I think is funny. And she says, I definitely think the Southern Charm audience and Summer House audience is completely different. True. I mean, there's some crossover, obviously. There are Bravo people who watch both. But you can tell in comment threads that

They're different. They're very different audiences. I mean, one audience is very anti-Page. I'm like, poor Craig. He gave everything to that woman and all he wanted was a few babies and someone to settle down and keep the house warm. Evil woman, Delilah. And then, you know, you've got the Summer House audience who's like, yes, fuck Craig. We told you he was stupid. What do you think?

Yeah, I mean there definitely are two audiences. Well, first of all, Southern Charm has been around a lot longer, which means it's going to have a larger, usually means a larger audience that's going to reach a wider demographic. And also like,

I do have to imagine they've attracted different people. Summer House was sort of born out of being sloppy and drunk and messy. And for so long, it was this redheaded stepchild on Bravo. And so I think the only people who really watched it in the beginning were people who really were drawn to that, whereas maybe people who watched Southern Charm were people who maybe... I can imagine that appealing to an older demographic that is interested in seeing...

southern culture but more so that like the people on it have always been older right I mean you had Thomas Ravenel who started at the show when he was I think about 75 and you have Patricia and you just have people who are just of a different generation and so you know I think like it would make sense to me that it might appeal to you know an older group not that there's anything wrong with it but I think what we do see is we do see maybe a bit of a um

a culture clash between generations with these two shows and especially there is like a northern southern culture clash I mean I think that the majority of people are just like us we're just like we're just sitting we're just gonna watch them both and you know laugh at both of them but I can definitely see there being a little bit of a uh what what Sierra is saying is that there's a bit of a cultural divide between the two shows

So then she says, we're taking the Summer House audience all day long over the super insanely traditional misogynistic fan base I feel that Southern Charm has. And she says, it's very old school and I'm from the South and I totally get that mentality. But we're in 2025 and I'll be damned if I'm an 80 year old woman sitting on TV and coming after another woman saying that she's being mean to somebody.

Well, okay. I mean, I get that, but an 80 year old's allowed to have an opinion too. You know, I think her opinion is wrong personally. I don't think that page is me to Craig. And when page is me to Craig, I love it. I think that's, that was the best part of their relationship was page being disgusted with Craig. I mean, that was kind of the whole point, but I didn't like that just cause I felt like, I mean, if she's saying woman to woman, like you're coming for another woman that I get. Cause Patricia, I think does coddle all the men on Southern charm. Totally. She always has. Yeah.

Um, like she'll choose Thomas over Catherine any day, you know, she's always been that way. But, um, yeah, I didn't like that 80 year old. It's like, listen, I'll be way worse when I'm 80. No, my God, I'll be twice as bad as I am now. And that's a lot. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, ultimately, regardless of whether the Southern Charm audience is older or younger, people who are diehard Southern Charm people were ultimately fans of Craig first, probably, before they were fans of Paige. Like, Craig came into their lives first, whereas people who were maybe... who were Summer House first, maybe they met Paige first. I don't know. But I do think it's more like...

There were a lot of people who took a very long time to watch Summer House and maybe never even made that crossover. And they probably just stayed with Southern Charm. And if they're not watching Summer House, what they're probably seeing is...

Craig, who is a fuck up, but now gets this like sweet little boy edit on the show where he's like, I've fixed my life and I sew pillows and he's adorable and he has a pool now and he has his house looks cleaner. But it's like it's not even that many seasons ago. It's maybe about two seasons ago.

When he was a total disaster, everything about his life was chaotic and terrible. And he has been a liar all this time. And I think that like maybe if you're not like as beholden to Southern charm, you may be more open to seeing that. But if you're like a super devotee of the show, you kind of just want to go along with what the edit is giving you.

So then she says, Paige is mean to Craig. Naomi is mean to Craig. Let's ask ourselves, if people are mean to him, why are they mean to him? Now, that's a good... That, I think, is the most important question in this whole little segment. And then she says, if that's your perception of mean, what's your definition of mean? Is it's not kissing the ground that he walks on? She has an opinion about other things. She's steadfast in what she wants of herself and her future and what her future family is going to look like. Is that mean? No.

So I agree with her. But, you know, there is kind of a war brewing. So I'm loving it. I don't feel like I have to choose sides. I can just sit here and watch it. I mean, my side is Paige so far because I think Paige, I think Craig's such a faker little fuck. And I think Paige is more upfront with who she is, where Craig hides behind this little dimples. And we saw it this week when they went on their group vacation and the mask.

slipped a bit and Craig was like, what? I have to share a room. What am I poor? I'm not a poor person. I'm not going to share a room. No, but you are a cheap person because you still didn't go get your own room. So yeah, just fucking baby. Just fucking baby Craig. So I'm going to choose whoever dumps Craig. I chose my only side during that whole thing. I think the whole time we were like, dump him! I'm going to usually choose anybody's side who dumps Craig until he truly gets his shit together.

Yeah, I'm with that. And I think that like, you know, you've been saying that there's been so much hate for Paige and I haven't actually seen it, but I haven't actually followed too much of what people are saying. Well, I live on the internet.

and it's just like i don't understand the hate for paige i think that he is like a man baby and she's been very clear of what she wants and he's been trying to kind of like wedge her into this idea of what he wants so that way he can feel like an adult uh instead of actually being an adult um he's just gonna do all the things that signify being an adult like jax did and so many other guys on on this um on this network so uh you know forever team team page on this one um in

In terms of other Summer House news, I want to talk a moment about Bailey. Bailey, who made her debut on the Summer House premiere last week. And a lot of us were like, who is this person? Who is this fellow Muppet baby that came along with Lexi? I know I was confused because we watched the trailer and, you know, we've seen the press and the commercials and there was no there was no.

There was no expectation that there's gonna be another little Muppet, you know on the show But here comes this girl Bailey and we're so confused. So Someone on on the internet because that's the way the internet goes She broke down a whole thing a whole conspiracy theory about Bailey and the rumor is according to this person. This was on Richie Oh recaps is that

Bailey was supposed to be a full-time cast member. And then she went back to the city and started telling people outside the show about what was going on with the show and then started shit talking production and everything. And then production confronted her and said, you have to stop doing this.

And then she just basically dropped out and quit. And that's why we don't see anything of her. And she's basically been scrubbed because people have been saying, well, she may not be like she may not be super magnetic, but like even Alex, for instance, got like his own picture on the Bravo side or the guy from season two. So what do you think, Ronnie? Do you think these these rumors sound like they have a shred of truth to them? Or is it just that she just didn't work out and they fired?

Yeah, and comments that were kind of furthering that, and this obviously all comes from Reddit, as that's all I did all weekend was read that damn site. People were saying that she was just dissing the cast. They're like old weirdos, and she...

saying all this stuff and i that's kind of the accurate read i would want her to have from being in that house like why would they put me in this house with a pregnant lady a married couple that's always grumbling and fighting a couple of drunks i'm not specifying which ones and then you've got her and there were things that were pointed out that i didn't even notice in that um

And in that episode that we recapped the first episode back was when they went out to get the girls luggage. Can I get your luggage? And they only got the model ones, whatever that girl's like. I'm sorry. That girl's annoying. I don't care what anybody says. There's a whole thing of like, she's not a bimbo. She's just from Canada. I'm sorry. That girl's a twit. OK, and I stand by and you will see it. You will see it if you haven't already. It's not like it's that hidden. But that girl's a twit. I don't trust her.

So she has Patti LuPone face. So that's redeeming. I don't think I just I can't I can't give her that because that's a win to me. You know what I mean? I cannot give her that win. Like, I'm not a hater. I don't hate her or anything. I'm just like, why are you here? You're in the wrong. You got off the wrong bus. You know, that's you got off at the wrong stop.

I agree. I don't understand why. I don't understand why either of them were there. They're just like two pint size to be on the show. And she's talking about being a model. She's like five, six. I just, I don't know. I don't, there's a lot that I don't buy. And then she showed up to the summer house premiere, like literally wearing a bandaid girl. It is like March. It's very cold. February.

In New York City. Like, I'm both worried for her. I think that's what it is. It's probably just the anti-van needs to pull up and just give her some blankets and say, put these on and let me teach you about men. Okay. So anyway...

What was I saying before I got all upset that there was a child in my show? Oh, yeah. So I think Bailey had the correct opinion. She walked in and was like, what the fuck? I'm supposed to fuck these people? No, hell no. No, no, no. Because that whole show is like The Bachelor. You're supposed to show up and you're supposed to fuck people. You're supposed to be at least ready to fuck them at the end, along with three other people.

for your mother to watch on TV. But you're also supposed to make out and give your traumas. And I think she was like, I'm not doing that with these people. Are you nuts? I'm not even coming back. And I love that for her, that she's just some TikTok girl who's like, I don't need this show. I get more views on TikTok. Bye.

Yeah. She's like, I don't understand this. What is this? What's this concept of cable networks? Bravo. I don't understand this. Is this a new social media platform? It's not? Well, why am I not on TikTok? She's like, who's on a television? That's like for the news. That's like for my grandma to watch or whatever. So I kind of like that. She's back to doing like elbow dances or whatever she does.

Yeah. I mean, there may be something to it. There's a little bit of a side thing, but one thing we haven't really talked about at all, and there's nothing really to talk about from our perspective, I think, but like NBC, you know, NBC has sold all of their networks except for Bravo. Bravo's the only one they're keeping, and they're spinning off the others, and they're going to go off into another...

I don't know where they're going to go to. They're just starting something. They created some side company called Spinco. That's going to, I don't know, maybe they hope to sell them or whatever. But like the whole NBC world, the whole Comcast, you know, whatever is spin off and everything is being focused on Bravo.

which I think is crazy. And I have, I wonder how that's going to impact any of the shows that we watch. Like, does that mean that it'll be more money for Bravo or is it just going to be like more Bailey's? Like, are they going to try to fold in stuff now that they get rid of like, yeah, entertainment, are they going to try to fold in elements of that to, to, to keep the audience that some of the audience there? I don't know, but I can tell you this. They're not shooting more money at anybody right now in TV, you know, anything they can do with the dollar, they're going to do it.

So that's that. We're kind of just watching this war unfold. But if I was Southern Charm, I would not take on the cast of Summer House. That cast has the girls, all of them. I mean, really, probably even Lexi by the end of the season will be able to fight in a decent way because I'll train her ass, you know. But you've got Lindsay. You've got Sierra. You've got Paige. You've got Amanda. Amanda will wind your damn head off. Yeah. Oh, well, anyway. Southern Charm!

please stop just stop the fighting page and sierra will eviscerate them lindsey will threaten their lives and then amanda will just wind them to death for the final nail in the coffin so did you see north team north it was a did you see there was a picture uh a bts picture of amanda from the summer house uh making guacamole this week yes i cut it can't believe they would cut amanda's signature meal

guacamole ever since her first season on the show she's been making guacamole like that's her thing she comes on the she arrives in the hamptons she takes out that bowl and she makes a classic guacamole and i don't know why we're not getting more scenes of it that's like cutting rose's turn out of gypsy like why would you do that it's just not fair it's the 11 o'clock number i'm not here to watch the dancing cow we did the we did the 11 o'clock dip

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So that is a pretty light drama, but it's been keeping me reading for whatever reason. So then today some news came out that I was so excited to read because I feel like the world can't properly start to heal. Well, first of all, the world hasn't stopped being...

Attacked. It can't heal until it's stopped. Attacked. But it can't begin to, I don't know, we can't begin to mentally heal from everything that's happened from the last season of Jersey without knowing who's going to stay, who's going to go. I mean, that's a big question. So today I saw the headline, Real Housewives of New Jersey, season 15 cast revealed. Find out who's retained by Bravo and who was fired. And I should have known when I clicked and it was OK Magazine.

Listen here, Oklahoma Magazine. I'm not going to be tricked by you anymore. This is the last time. Also known as a magazine built in the spirit of Dolores. Okay. Okay. You know what? Do you have some new headlines? Yeah, okay. Here's some headlines. Hey, Dolores, we need a statement. What magazine is this? Okay. Okay. Okay.

So yes, who was fired, et cetera. So let's go through this. None of this is true. This is a bunch of bullshit. None of it is true. They're saying that, this is how they're wording it. Three Real Housewives of New Jersey stars have been retained by the network and now OK can exclusively confirm who they are. Teresa Giudice, Melissa Gorga,

and Dolores Catania. Dun, dun, dun. And guess who the source is? Kim DiPaola confirmed the news. It's not seriously Kim DiPaola because the thing is like knowing OK Magazine, it really is. Oh my God, it really is Kim Di. It's Kim. It's really Kim. Now, come on now. You know, we love some Kim Di at this show, but that cannot be your only source. OK Magazine.

I can just imagine Kim D calling up, hey, this is Kim D. Yeah, go meet me at the docks. You know, she probably meets all the reporters at the docks. It doesn't matter what dock it is. It's just a dock. She's like, I'll meet you at the docks. And she shows up in a trench coat with like a little hat. She goes, all right, here's what I got to tell you. They gave offers to Melissa, to Teresa, and to Dolores. Okay, go tell that to your editor. I'll be back with more information tomorrow. Yeah. So some of it's still fun to read because it's,

The rest of it says the insider spilled. Ooh, the other women, Margaret Josephs, Danielle Cabral and Rachel Fuda were not given retention notices. And at this time, Bravo's not pursuing them for a spot or any other projects.

Fuda was being considered, but her husband's too much of a pain in the ass and they didn't feel like it was worth it. Listen, a husband who goes and makes his own IMDB page and takes headshots of himself with a little Gucci sticker stuck on his glasses or whatever the hell that was. Never trust that man. He's going to be a pain in the ass, you know? I love that this article has a photo of Rachel and John Fuda. And first of all, they look like AI renderings of themselves. And second of all, um,

It's like, of course, they're standing in front of a sign that's about value meals. And it's just like, burgers, fries, and beverages, $12.59. One good burger, one good fry, one good beverage, $12.59. You're stuck home. You're stuck home. Stuck home. Yeah, that's the sign on the wall. Ronnie, you're always talking about signs. Here it is. Stuck home. You're not coming back. You're stuck home.

Stuck home syndrome. As for Gorga, the source noted the decision may be shocking, but Bravo loves the dynamic her husband brings to the show. He's just so funny and the viewers love him.

And they're saying, while no official decisions have been made, which means you lied in your headline, you fuckers. The insider explained what they believe what will happen. As far as where the women will wind up at this point, it's looking likely Jersey will be led by Melissa and Dolores and Teresa will be given a spinoff.

No, I don't see that happening. Bravo is going to throw Teresa in front of that camera for as long as they possibly can. There's no way that they're giving it to Melissa. Not Melissa. Speaking of Melissa, did I tell you about the Melissa Sprinkle cookies? No.

Well, we received a box from Melissa Gorga of her sprinkle cookies and they arrived when we were in New York. So they sat in the UPS store for a full week. So they probably were kind of like dry and stale already just from the journey. And then that this has been another week in the UPS store.

So it comes in a box with like it's like see-through on the top and it's got like a magnetic open like sort of the front is like magnetic and you sort of open it up. It sort of opens up front like a jewelry box. So it made a mess all over my counter because the sprinkles got crushed in the packaging because they weren't packaged properly. So all this like pink sprinkle dust like tumbled out of the box. So it's everywhere.

And then the cookies are there and I thought, you know, here's the thing. If I'm going to have a cookie, there's got to be some chocolate presents. Like, give me a chocolate chip, whatever. So I was like, I'll have a bite of these. I'll try one of these dry ass cookies. So I took a bite. And sure enough, it was dry and it was crumbly. But it tasted nice. It's like, you know, like they had like almost like an almond extract to it. Lemony. And I was like, yeah, all right. It's fine. It's nice. It's nice that they sent it. And then I've spent the week.

just casually eating out of that cookie box I keep on nibbling on those cookies I regret to say I think the cookies are good I can't stop eating them you got addicted huh

Yeah, somehow I think that genre of cookie, it being dry and crumbly, it doesn't even matter. It's like those cookies are made to be dry and crumbly. And so, you know, I give it a surprising... My review is they're not so bad. But, you know, I also got them for free. And if I had to pay for them, maybe I'd be singing a different tune. I just don't understand the trying to sell a sprinkle cookie. To me, that's like the dumbest thing ever. It's like trying to perfect a...

I don't know. I don't know. Like sawdust. Like who wants that? That's gross. I don't want to buy it. I don't, I don't need it. Just keep that away from me. Perfect something else. Like there's so many other things like perfect a chocolate chip cookie, you know, like, I don't know. There's a lot of cookies to perfect, but the sprinkle, the sprinkle cookie. No.

And it's a strange one. It's a strange one to try to perfect, especially after so many years after it was like a thing on the show. But I do have to say when the whole point was they were store bought and they were thrown in the trash. Like, how is that a consumer thing that you get in people's head? Like, that sounds good. Oh, like the sprinkle cookies they threw in the trash on Jersey. You know what? Let's pay a premium price for that. Send me 18 boxes. Yeah.

Vince in the comments just says gay. And I say, if you're trying to make us feel bad, I say, um, you should be so lucky. And if you're supporting us, I say, thank you.

Jennifer says, whatever, Ronnie, you'd love an M&M cookie. Yes, I certainly would. I love cookies. I'm just saying out of all the cookies you're picking the gross, not gross. It's just useless. I see a sugar cookie and I see a useless, not a sugar cookie. Sugar cookies are amazing. A sprinkle cookie. And I just see useless, useless cookies.

Well, someone says you and Bethany love them. I didn't say I love them. I just said that I like them and they're much better than I thought they would be. And they are like that. Do you want to marry? You want to marry sprinkle cookies? Just say I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. Gay. Gay. I want to have anal sex with her. Sprinkle a cookie.

But I they're the sort of cookie that you don't like gravitate towards them on on their own. But they are the they're the they're a walking through the kitchen cookie, as in you walk the kitchen and you sort of like break up a chunk of that one.

And next thing you know, you've eaten like 12 of them over the course of five days. Yeah, I'm still going to see those Girl Scout cookies. I'm watching you little fuckers. I'm watching you. 10 boxes in my stomach. Look what they've done to my waddle. Look at this. Okay, so someone here, let me see who said this. Growing Off Grid with Derek and Gabby asks, The White Lotus, did you guys watch? Did you watch?

I'm going to, I spent last night watching, the reason why I haven't watched it is because I watched the SNL. I know why you didn't. You were watching the SNL thing, just like everybody else in the fucking world. You know what? Put that on your thing and watch White Lotus. White Lotus needs us. I'm going to watch White Lotus. I just didn't watch it last night because I watched SNL 50 and then I watched Potomac and then I watched Southern Hospitality and I even watched Married to Medicine because I decided, you know what? That was good.

I know I came back at the right time. I just was like, I feel like I should watch this because we did. We did Carlos King's podcast today, everyone. It's going to come out tomorrow. We had so much fun. And I thought, you know, he may want to ask a question about marriage medicine. And I've only seen the first episode and I was going to like binge it over the week. And I said, you know what? Why am I going to do this to myself? I know what the whole season is going to be. Let me just watch the latest episode. And it was a good episode. I was like, yeah, the past couple, they've gotten really messy on that show.

I love that. The next one's the one where Phaedra's like, fuck you. Bye. Bye, bitches. I don't need you. So that one was good. White Lotus was good. I loved White Lotus. I thought it was great. It was a really – I mean, I'm in it just for the cinematography alone. If for nothing else, I mean, it is gorgeous. I'm in it for the monkeys. There's a very strong monkey presence. Great. Which I appreciate. And then you have Parker Posey doing a southern lady, which is great. That's great.

And then there's, I think there's a storyline where the brothers are going to fuck. I'm not sure what's up with that, but why not? Hey, I haven't seen that. That's exciting. Yeah. So, um, yes, I did watch that, but that's not Bravo. So we won't go on. Well,

We could talk about it. By our next crappy hour, I will be current with it. It just was extenuating circumstances because there was a SNL thing. And I also, I didn't watch my Bravo stuff the day earlier because I actually watched a movie, which I never do anymore, but I watched Anora. So I spent a lot of time. It's like an Oscar nominated movie about a sex worker who winds up falling in love with a Russian oligarch's child. And everyone's saying it's like- Oh, I knew her.

I knew her. That was what it was originally called. Not Anora. I knew her. I knew her. Okay, so let's get into some Bravo news. Well, kind of. I did love the SNL 50 special. I thought it was great. And I have many questions about John Mulaney's jaw. Okay, Bravo. He changed his jaw, right? Is that what you're asking? He like added, like he Zac Efron'd it. And it's just, it's weird to me when-

It's a little, I don't know, like maybe it needs to settle in a little bit. I don't know. That doesn't settle. The jaw is the jaw. It's not a settling. It's not a settling implant. By the way, a few people have asked, what's your take on SNL with the Ryan Reynolds bit? I mean, it was a bit. I don't I don't actually have a take on it. I think like it was a funny moment of like of acknowledging that he's in this shit show with his wife and Justin Baldoni. So I thought it was funny.

Okay, well, that's good. I didn't watch it. I chose White Lotus because I have taste. Okay, I'll watch SNL later when I can FF through a lot of it. BumbleBear7 did not seem to enjoy it very much either. So you and BumbleBear7 are both Team White Lotus on this one, I think. Yeah, Team White Lotus for good. So then this news is weird. This is weird news.

Okay, so it's weird because I'm even bringing it up. Because it's Anna Marie Wiley news. Oh, yeah. Who ever thought we'd be bringing that up again? Bringing Anna Marie news up again. But here we are in 2025 and it's getting crazy. So here's how it started for me. I happened to see this posted, guess where? The national news. Just kidding, read it.

Honored, this is from her Instagram, honored to be invited to the White House to celebrate Black History Month, which didn't he cancel that? I thought it was canceled. That's okay. I would have loved if she showed up bragging and it had been canceled. I think that he reinstated it because there were a lot of people coming or something. But I think like a few days before Black History Month, I think he canceled it.

I think technically he canceled it for certain things like the military, but it still remained a thing nationally. Either way, shitty all around, but I'm glad that she's okay to celebrate Black History Month. Well, at first I thought, well, Trump has done the first thing that I'm going to cheer him on for, which is

trick annamarie into going to the white house for a party that went i thought he was gonna like totally ghost her which would have been amazing so here's a post i look forward to personally thanking the president for taking a stand to protect women's sports and then she this is her that's the picture post and well she puts the invite in there and then this is the text post i didn't leave the democratic party the democratic party left me a black woman in america

For my entire life, I was a proud Democrat, but that changed when I was very publicly and intentionally vilified and character assassinated by the radical left programming for saying something I believe trans women do not belong in women's sports. I was craftfully at craft dash fully edited and puzzled together to look like a nasty person I didn't even recognize.

Well, if that's what you said, I mean, you're just saying that that's what you said. So stand by what you said then. Stand by what you said. Like, why do you have to change parties? Because people disagreed with you. It's called like just living in your truth. I mean, I don't agree with you at all. And I can't believe you would actually switch parties and do this whole thing based off of such a niche, niche, niche. Yeah.

issue that's been totally blown up to be something bigger than what it is. But could you imagine? It's like, whatever. Well, she's turned out to be maybe 8.5 was too generous for Anna Marie. The editing on Beverly Hills. So this wasn't meant to be like start a big political thing or whatever. People obviously know where we stand on that, which is for trans rights. And I think this is bullshit.

But this is not really to go into transports. It's just the first moment where I was like, Anna Marie? Why are we talking about Anna Marie? Like, who cares? Can't we just not? Well, that's why she's doing this. So then comes out the news that Anna Marie Wiley is now going to be suing the American Society of Anesthesiologists. I have recently filed a lawsuit against the American Society, blah, blah, blah, because of their public...

Yeah.

them. Let me be clear. My lawsuit is solely about their malicious, false, targeted, and defamatory statements about me. I have always proudly, publicly, and consistently stated that I am a CRNA. I have never stated that I am an anesthesiologist or a medical doctor during my time

on the show. This is not a debate of her professional titles, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Poor Anna Marie. She's such a victim. So I just like to play this clip of Anna Marie from the juicy scoop podcast with Heather McDonald. Bring it up. Here it comes. When you go in, they're saying that you're not qualified to say what you're saying because

And so then you want to go defend yourself. That's what I'm assuming stuff like that happened. And then, then you now have footage of you constantly bringing up the esophagus. There was a lot of disrespect of nurses happening. My profession was constantly being diminished. Like you're not a doctor.

Right. And let's talk about that too. Yeah. Because nurse anesthesiologists are doctors. I have a master's degree because that's what my requirement was of my program when I graduated 11 years ago. But 10% of CRNAs are doctors. They are doctorate trained. And as of next year, every single CRNA that graduates has a doctorate degree. So we are doctors. Well, good luck in court. I hope they don't have TikTok.

Or Juicy Scoop, anywhere on a podcast channel. What the hell? You know what? I had an opinion of you the last time you were on my television screen. And it's amazing that it should have gotten worse, but it didn't. It's still the same. Shut up. Just shut up, lady.

Yeah, this is someone grasping for another minute on their 15 minutes, and it's failing. This is just sad and delusional now. Clear her. It's done, Anna Marie. It's done. Let's clear the esophagus. Let's give it a nice big belly. Let's give it a little cough and get that phlegm out of the esophagus, shall we? Just go away. I mean, all I had to do was Google Anna Marie claims to be adulterated.

A doctor. That's literally all I put in. And it brought up all of this stuff. So lady, please. We have more important things to worry about in the world of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Lisa Vanderpump has her own version of nachos. Yeah. What was this? So I opened up this link, Ronnie, earlier. Ronnie, I opened up this link and I could not figure out the link. I could not understand where the nachos was coming at. The headline said Lisa Vanderpump nachos. But then it was like,

What is it? I don't know. I didn't even read it. I just saved it for tonight because I thought it was so funny. I could not find anything about nachos, but here, I'm going to do a search. Nacho. Okay.

Okay, so Kyle Richards says, okay, so I think it's someone for Paper Magazine writing about the Real Housewives who says, since my social media algorithm serves me an uncomfortably large amount of Bravo-related content, I was fortunate enough to scroll past a few Lisa Vanderpump nachos jokes after the episode this week. It's a dead horse. Fans of the show can't stop being into dust. Thankfully, I'm here to intervene. Lisa Vanderpump would never wear this dress. That's because this dress is actually quite nice. This is a fashion rundown.

of the looks that are on Beverly Hills this week. So this person is actually, you'd think she's talking about nachos, but she's actually talking about Cal Richards, burgundy, shiny, glimmering, burgundy nachos.

Well, what a disappointment. But I have to say, still more engaging than the Anna Marie stuff. Absolutely. Sometimes you take a shot in the dark and you don't get tuna tartare nachos. I could have sworn they were going to be tuna tartare nachos. Okay, well, we can still talk about Lisa Vanderpump nachos. What do you think goes on a Lisa Vanderpump nacho? Tuna tartare. And that weird mayonnaise sauce that they serve over there. The spicy mayo. Yeah.

- Like a lot of it. Well, you know, but that actually sounds appealing and I feel like she would add, there'd be like one other element that wouldn't be, like Chef Joe. - The goat cheese. - Ooh, yes, add the goat cheese and some sticky toffee pudding sauce on top, Joe. Everyone loves that. - In other news from Beverly Hills,

bad news kept coming for teddy there was not only the illness stuff but she also was sued for racial discrimination by one of the yeah this lawsuit dropped i think it dropped the day of her surgery or the day after it was on tmz because i went out to tmz to see how her surgery went and uh it was like teddy melancholy super racial discrimination i was like oh wow i mean obviously not good also just

odd timing on that one but um yeah someone is claiming that uh that teddy worked her to the bone and like would only pay her to like basically 235 dollars and uh i think like no 325 you're getting my disease i think you've been i think you've been reading too many of my notes where i just spell words you know every letter is high on order i'm just high on lisa vanderpump nachos sorry

I wonder if you've got Lisa Vanderpump Natos in your head. It doesn't just go away, does it? I've been thinking about it all day long. I have the Anna Marie Wiley school of facts and figures in my approach to reading this article.

Oh, gosh. Okay, so let's see. What else? Phaedra did not show up to the Married to Medicine reunion, speaking of Married to Medicine, because they really pulled one on Phaedra. Okay, so for those of you who are not watching Married to Medicine, here's what's going on. So they're having their annual couples trip, right? Every year they do this, and they do things like...

What is your favorite position with your husband? And then they play shady games and then they all end up fighting, but they all come together because they love marriage so much. And, you know, that's kind of the gist of the show. Well, this year, Phaedra's on there and they've been trying to get Phaedra pissed off all year and it won't work. Phaedra won't break, right?

So they are, and they're, they say on TV, we're just trying to get this bitch to break. Like they say it over and over. They're clear with their intentions. Phaedra has stayed strong. She's not going to break and look stupid on the show. So now comes, well, I'm not, she has looked kind of stupid, but she hasn't lost her temper or anything. So now they have this couple's trip. Phaedra is single. So Heavenly calls Apollo and says, oh, hi Apollo. You know how she does in her really high voice, like Heavenly, her Heavenly fake being nice voice.

So she's like, hey, Apollo, you know, we really love you. And I thought maybe it would be good if you came on this couple's trip. And then that way you could show us how positive a divorce can be, because you guys are such a positive example of a divorce, which is such a load of horseshit. Right. So he's like, OK, I'd love to be on TV again. And she's like, are you going to bring your wife, Shireen? And he's like, no, no, she's going to stay home, but I'll come.

So they're thinking, okay, well, we're going to get her on this trip. Now, granted, this is the show that also brought Quad's abusive ex-husband back, allegedly, with his new wife to be on the show to get Quad. Dr. Gregory. Right? Dr. Gregory. And Quad has taken it pretty well, I would say, under the circumstances. So now they're trying this with Phaedra. So Phaedra shows up. Phaedra trumps them. She shows up with this hot man. So...

She doesn't care if Apollo's coming because she's got this hot man. So then Apollo ends up showing up with his wife who wasn't supposed to come.

So now Phaedra is still being. He cheated on Phaedra with the wife. Right. Did you mention that part? Yes. No, I didn't. So he's there with Shireen. She's there with this guy. I think his name's Shaq, right? So she's there with him and he's hot as hell and he's young. He's very young and hot. And so they're making fun of that, but they're like, oh, Phaedra. So it looks like it's going to go okay because Phaedra doesn't let it phase her because she pretty much figured this was coming. But then it turns out.

the guy that she's dating is one of Apollo's best friends. So it's like, she turns it around on Apollo and is like, oh great, you're gonna come onto my show while I'm fucking your best friend. It was so good. It was really good. You can say what you want about Phaedra, but she knows how to play this game and she's not gonna play with you idiots. And she dumped, she just was like, and then next week she was like, bye, I don't need friends like that. You're obviously trying to fuck me over on TV. Good luck. It didn't work. Bye, I quit.

Yeah, she's moving on over to Atlanta. Kenya's out of Atlanta, so Pager just slides right on by. Not right on by, right on over to that franchise, which is bigger. But yeah, I loved how messy it was. And I was also so happy that when I tuned in, I had missed all of Dr. Simone's shitty, shitty couples therapy games. Because it's been...

I just can't watch it anymore. I cannot watch couples hold doing newlywed game shit. They were good signs talking about how much sex they've had. How much time do you have sex? How often do you have whoopie? You know, it's like, oh my God. Like it's, but I got, I came in right after that. This time they were great because they had quad there and quad also has a new hot young man. Right. And so she and Gregory, Gregory couldn't take it. Cause Gregory was so, you know,

mortified this guy was there and obviously he's like short and then you're going against this gorgeous Adonis who's rich as hell and so Gregory lost this round for sure and so Gregory's getting all defensive over there and then he and Quad and Quad got wasted so they they broke that whole game up because they had a big all-out

all out war during that one. So it was pretty good. But at the very end, you've got this whole cast who's been trying to get Phaedra. They bring Apollo. They all think it's hilarious that Apollo's coming and that Phaedra's stuck with this guy and that she's got this young guy. Now they've caused all this mess. And then it blows up. And then the clip for next week, the very last line is Simone going,

I just need to figure out how we're going to bring this group of girls together in peace. I was like, oh, my God. Literally 10 years of you doing the exact same thing. Causing mess and then going, why is everybody so messy? Get the lemon squeeze out. Also, what was so funny is. That show is classic, man.

Well, I mean, the show, again, I've said it a million times. Everyone on the show is like hilarious and great, but I just find that the show itself is always the same shit. But they also have a new couple and there's a female doctor and her husband, his name is Steve Sanders, and he was a wide receiver in the NFL.

And I love this guy's like big, tall, muscular guy and very, very nice and friendly. He does not seem like a big, like egotistical guy or whatever. And so they're all talking with him. Was this like the first time like Steve and his wife were on the show? I feel bad saying his wife. Yeah, I think they were just introduced on this trip. Yeah.

Yeah, because he's the plus one, not her. So I just can't remember her name. But so they're like, oh, he plays ball and everything. And he's saying like where he played football. And then, of course, Dr. Gregory, this like he's just like this little munchkin of a guy comes out. And he's like, oh, we can do a push-up contest. I can do push-ups. And he starts doing push-ups.

he's like trying to like flex like literally in front of an nfl player by doing 15 push-ups in front of him and it's just like his small dr gregory's small dick energy after all these years it's crazy and then he has the balls to talk about quad getting drunk like oh she gets too drunk she gets too drunk i'm like sir last time i checked you're the one with the monk shot

I have never had a stronger George Jefferson energy coming off of Dr. Gregory than in this episode. Screaming and yelling and just waving his arms around. I was like, oh, no, poor guy. But it was good. That show's been a classic. So, yeah. So it ended up with Phaedra being like, bye. I'm going to, you know, the higher show in our tier. See ya on Sunday nights. So see ya, ladies. So she's out of there. I don't really blame her.

Yeah, I don't blame her either. I mean, it's so heavenly is so, so, so messy. And she's like, I don't want to know. I mean, this is like, this is really messy. And you know, I'll get mad at everybody else besides heavenly and heavenly is the one that did it. I'll get more mad at Simone and Jackie for laughing about it and then acting like hypocrites. And they're so above it all when they were sitting there laughing and being a part of the whole thing. Then I will at being heavenly because at least heavenly is real about it, you know?

Yeah. And, you know, I can understand why Phaedra's mad. She's like, look, I had a star turn on the traitors. I'm like super in demand. You brought me onto the show to help out with ratings or whatever, whatever it is you needed, needed help with. You brought me in to do that. And the very first thing you try to do is try to take me down and embarrass me. Uh-uh. Like I, you were not going to destroy all this goodwill. I just built up, you know, on Peacock. So I totally get it. Um,

but uh also i have to say that guy king is like has he been has he been well received this season so far because he's hot and i loved the way he talked to dr gregory he basically told you basically i mean so far he looks like the perfect man he's just like whatever you need i'm here for you you know he has that i just love the way he's like let me buy you things let me buy you a what do you buy her like a jaguar or something oh i don't know

about it but he got because he's a car dealer right he's like exotic car but i just love that he pulled up he pulled dr gregory's side and was like listen like i don't care like you have to apologize to quad and he kind of like laid it out so calmly and dr and he's just like he's like i'm not gonna he's like you're gonna apologize it's like oh so she get she gets a hand

say anything to her it's like if you have something to say to quad you say it to me and i was like okay wow wow that's it's a good one it's a good one all right everybody that brings us to the end of the talkie portion if you guys want to talk to us on video that's where we move next for the next 10 minutes we will put the link here uh on youtube in the comments so you'll see it there come talk to us everybody else we'll talk to you in a couple of weeks bye

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