#2863 Crappy Hour 5/26/2025: Bravo Headline News with Guest Danny Pellegrino
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Well, hello and welcome to Crapy Hour. I'm Ronnie, and today, the very special, gorgeous, about-to-be-daddy for the first time guest, Daddy Pellegrino. Oh, hi, Ronnie. Hello, Danny, from the Everything Iconic podcast. So good to see you. We have so much to chat about.

I know. It's so good to see you. And I had Amy Phillips on here earlier, and we were talking about how we only see each other if we do this. I know. I feel that way with a lot of our, I mean, a lot of you guys. It's like we, of course, I love everyone, but it's like hard to see everyone. And you and I were just talking before we started recording. We live so close to each other. We live right by each other. We have to get together, but it is hard. And I feel like once you get in sort of the habit of

of hanging out on a podcast recording. It's like every time you do hang out, you're like, "Wait, should we be recording this?" Or like, "Should we just..." Ben and I do. We all whip out our phone in a 7-Eleven. We don't care. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll whip it out everywhere. But also, it's weird because I'm used to seeing you like this, and in real life, we'd probably just be like, "Hey, what do you like to eat?" "Oh, no, I don't care. What do you like to eat?" Well, and all of the Bravo nonsense gives us something to chat about too.

You know, we have plenty to talk about with the world of Bravo. Yeah, I don't have real life stuff. So what's your, tell me about the baby. Are you so excited? Daddy's coming soon. Daddy's soon? Is Matt excited? Do you have a little baby sound machine for the baby to play with? Like what's happening?

Okay, well, the sound machine, it's funny you bring that up because I feel like everything now has a sound machine attached to it. So we have a separate sound machine, but then it feels like everything makes the sound. And then also, I was kind of thinking, well, can't you just... You can pull it up on Spotify or whatever if you need specific sounds too. That's true, yeah. So we're overloaded with sound machines. So we have travel ones, we have a main one, but

but yeah, we're both, Matt and I are both really excited. And, and I've been trying to just, I've been working a lot to try to get ahead of, you know, with podcasts and other work stuff, trying to get ahead so that I can take some time and relax a little bit, but I still have a couple of weeks. Um, I mean, obviously we can't control when the baby comes exactly, but we're due in like a couple of weeks, um, two and a half weeks or something. So,

So it'll be very soon. And I'm just on edge. My emotions are also all over the place. So it's very heightened to everything. So I'm either like, when I'm excitable, I'm super excitable. When I'm sad, I'm super sad. So it's just like this rollercoaster of emotions, which my therapist does say is normal when you're about to have a baby.

Oh, that therapy is going to go right out the window. Don't you worry. You're going to have that baby and you're going to just be tortured by this little fucking thing that's so cute that you're going to be in prison and you're going to love it. Will you come babysit? Will you come? Yes. Okay. Oh my God. We live right by each other. So bring that baby over. I will teach your baby important things. Did you guys know Danny lives...

okay we live by this little mall and danny knows that there's an air one there because you know he's a healthy skinny he did not know there's a van lewins ice cream back there that is a shame okay you need somebody to teach your baby the important in this neighborhood how do you not know that i know well but that whole area stresses me out i can't go there much because there it's like this little sort of outdoor shopping area and for people who don't know an air one is like this really insanely overpriced

grocery market. And I hate it because there's like a hot bar where you can get food and there's always like a bunch of people taking like influencers taking video there and stuff. And so like you can't even get the food you want because it's just a lot of influencers taking videos. So I can't even go up that way. It's fucking Erwan. I hate those people too. So that's why you go to the ice cream place because guess who's not taping in there?

- Influencers, they're not gonna tape themselves eating ice cream, those skinny bastards. - You know, there's a plant shop there, which this is so weird, there's a plant shop, you know the one in the corner there? - Oh yeah. - There's a bar upstairs at the plant shop. - Yeah, those people are full of shit. Have you been up there? - Yeah, I've only been to the happy hour there, I've never been there for buying plants.

They're very snobby there. I'm not paying you $100 for a ficus or whatever. And they won't even call it a ficus. It's like a philodendron, god, you know, whatever. I'm too trashy for that place. I stick to Van Leeuwen. Van Leeuwen does like five-star dining for me. What's the best ice cream do I get there? What do I... Like the chocolate brownies, really good. It's very gooey. Okay. And then they have a lot of, you know, like foofy flavors that you try to look like you have some

breeding. I was telling you just earlier today, I was at the Cold Stone because we have a lot of those salt and straws out here too, which I don't like a salt and straw because it's so fancy. I want a good old fat... I miss a Dairy Queen. No, I hear you. Salt and straws vary like bacon and Gouda. I don't want that. Fuck off. Give me fucking cookies and cream. I don't want that in my ice cream.

Yeah. Give me a brownie or a mint chip. Okay. So tell me about your books. Let's get all it. What do you have going on? Cause you've got books, you've got movies. I saw your holiday film. That was great. I love you bringing in like the HGTV with the Christmas movie. And then what are your books? Yeah. So I just have my books. I have two books. How do I remember this? And a holiday book called Jolliest Bunch. And then I'm working on my third one, which, um,

We'll be a really long way away, but I'm working on it. I don't have a lot of baby stuff, I would imagine. Yeah, maybe some parenting baby stuff, but I'm working on it. And yeah, my other books, they've been actually... It's been weird because for some reason, Amazon did a big sale on the books. And so they were really inexpensive. And I think they still are, like $4 or under $4 or something like that. And so there's been this whole...

slew of people. The first one, how do I remember this, came out like three years ago or something. And it's been so fascinating because all sorts of new people have picked it up. And it's been really exciting to hear from people. And The Jolly Sponge, too, which is a Christmas book. It's like a Christmas essay collection. But there's... You could read it any time of the year. But people have been sort of picking them up and it's been fun. Oh, good. Yeah, you get a whole new audience when you lower the price. Is that what you're saying? Sales. That's where it's at. And I know it's like you're not supposed to say. I mean...

I know Amazon's kind of a monster, but yeah, for some reason. They're our network, so we work for the monster. And also, they're sort of like losing money on the book because it's like, you know, they pay like retail for it, but then they market for under retail. So,

So like, just because it's really cheap. Oh, Amazon ain't losing shit. Don't you worry about that. I don't worry about Amazon. Amazon, they're the last people I worry about at the end of the day. But I was saying, that's why I think it's okay to buy the books off Amazon. Yeah, it is. Because it's like, I still get, you know, I get the money for it, but then they lose the money on it. So it's like, you know, you're sticking it to the man a little bit and supporting me. Yeah, I like that. Rebellion purchase. But yes, let's talk about Bravo. Yeah, but also go to the bookstores. Yeah.

Yeah, don't be a horrible person who goes to bookstores just to look at books and then take pictures of the books so you remember to buy it for cheap on your Kindle later. People like that are horrible and you're all going to hell. And I'll see you there. We see you there. I'll be there with you. I'll be at the hell Van Leeuwen's in the back. Books are too heavy.

Okay, that's my complaint to Batbooks. So let's go to... Let's go to the state of Bravo before we get into some headlines, 'cause I haven't talked to you for a while. And the state of Bravo has changed quite a bit, the state of the union. So what are your thoughts? What are your favorites on right now? What could you do with that? Okay, so I'm loving The Valley. But one of the things that's interesting to me about The Valley is it is a cast full of villains.

And I'm finding-- And I want to talk to you about this, 'cause I don't know if you're hearing from people the same way. Like, I came into this season being like, "This is gonna be the best season of TV." I think it's been so good, so chaotic. Every episode to me, aside from maybe last week, was like a little slower than most. But otherwise, I feel like it's just been fantastic reality TV. But I'm hearing from so many people who listen to my show or watch these shows who find the cast just too unlikable. And...

I like that they're all sort of unlikable, but I'm curious, where do you stand on that?

Well, I love feeling anger and rage. That's like my love language. And so when I can go raging and just start screaming at people and calling them stupid, I love that. I feel so good. And so it's good for me in that way. I mean, you've got Janet, who's a monster. All the men on the show. You can yell at all the men. Even Jason acts so innocent. Fuck that guy, too. You know, they're all terrible. Right. And then you've got Janet, who's one of the most terrible. Okay.

Okay. And these are like rayon villains. You know what I mean? Yeah. Did you see all that stuff about like the, the alcohol thing that they edited out of the show with Janet? Yeah. Like the Al-Anon thing. Yeah. And then they asked, but the weird thing about it was, so they edited out of the main episode, but then they also had asked her about it on watch what happens live and then edited that out of watch what happens live. And it's like, well, what is happening there? Like, I,

I don't understand it. Bravo, honestly, Bravo needs to stop with that. You know, if you talk to somebody from Bravo, which you know, you do a lot of interviews, right? So we don't. We'll do maybe one a year or two a year. But every time you do one, they're like, okay, now here's the stuff we want edited out. And they give you this page of shit to go edit out of the interview. And it's like, that's all the good stuff.

I know. Why would I want to interview people from Bravo if you're going to cut everything good? And why would anybody want to listen to this? Like, you want the messy stuff because they share the messy stuff. The people share the messy stuff. They don't share, like, the, I love blueberries. Like, they don't want to share that. So why are you bothering to? So they've got some kind of weird disconnect over there. They've got all the PR people kind of running free interviews.

and they're not controlling things the way Bravo wants. And I don't know what Bravo thinks it is, but it's not some classy organization that needs to be protected. You're putting out trash. You're putting out glamorous trash that we love. Stop editing it and stop doing all that shit. Why was it, was the Al-Anon thing like gonna ruin somebody's life?

I also don't know if it's-- and this is-- people are probably going to get mad at me, but I don't know if the blame should be-- if people are mad about-- when people are mad about that, I understand that, but it shouldn't all be the blame on Janet either, because it's like there's a whole slew of people with Bravo that it goes through. So, like, anyone that can obviously have a problem with it along the way before it gets to that point.

But I sort of stopped doing a lot of the Bravo interviews too because it just got to the point where it's like, okay, you're right. You're cutting out all of the juicy stuff or they're asking you to cut stuff out. So I either tell them like, I'm not going to edit them at all or I don't want to do it.

Like, it's not fun. It's not fun, and I don't work for you. You know what I mean? I can't take notes from people that I don't even see their face. Right, you're not paying me. And people are like, we don't take notes. You're not paying me. And then it ultimately always just makes us look bad. Like, that's where I sort of drew the line because I felt like there would be times where people would say, well, why didn't you ask about that?

Or this thing or that thing. And it's like, well, I did ask about it, but then they threatened to whatever if I didn't edit it out or whatever. So it's like, that's the...

That's the thing. And so it just makes me look like a bad interviewer. Like, I don't even think the president can go on an interview and then request edits. That's just weird. I've just never heard of that. So, I mean, I have from Bravo, but I haven't heard of it from anybody else. So that kind of stuff. I just think that they've got somebody up there clutching their pearls all the time, not wanting to get sued because they've got a lot of stuff going on with the lawsuits and people accusing them of stuff. But, you know.

Don't do that on my time. And you're right, because a lot of what people say is that Bravo gives the most notes out of any network. So whenever they get an episode of something, they send copious amounts of notes. So for those episodes to get through to air, and then for them to be like, oh no, they said Al-Anon, we have to take it out. It's just ridiculous, and it's making all the production people jump through hoops. And the Al-Anon thing wasn't great. She shouldn't have been outing that. Janet sucks. Like, I'm not...

defending the element thing but yeah i agree with you if you're going to edit it out do it before you can't make hey you do it look at hey you hey he was like no i'm not taking that out we are busy we are in a different time than you okay and over the years i've interviewed a lot of other talent from like other networks or other celebrities and stuff and it's like they they're never asking to edit things out it's like always just the bravo people yeah like

And, you know, Bravo's like pretty good to us for the most part as far as like screen. Like they're great. So, you know, as far as like bitching about Bravo, it's just that thing. Like the editing thing needs to be, they need to have more balls as far as just being like, we're a controversial, we thrive on controversy. Housewives is our bread and butter. It's all about fighting. Release the fights. Either like lean in or lean all the way off. It's like, I don't know. They're always just like,

I don't know. It's frustrating. They keep sort of trying to figure out where the line is. And it's like, well, we're how many years into this whole empire? The line has been crossed already. Yeah, it's too late. Safe word was said five years ago, and you guys are still going. So the valley, yeah, I think it's dark. It pisses me off. But I think it's also still fun and funny for the most part.

And it's-- Don't you think it's the most fun show to recap? Going back to your point where it's, like, fun to rage about something, I have the most fun recapping The Valley or, like, Salt Lake City Housewives or--

I don't know. I like when it's messy and whatever. That's when it's fun to talk about. Yeah, and there's big characters on them. So I love doing stupid sketch characters of the people. So the Valley has good impressions and Salt Lake City. Some of them, let me see what I struggle with. Are you into the Below Decks and stuff too? Do you like all of those? I used to get into the Below Deck and I know people love it, but it got overwhelming to me when they started just releasing a thousand spinoffs.

Yeah, it's one of those I really like to recap. But when we're taking off a season, because it never ends, it's like day after day, you know, week after week. So sometimes we'll take a season off and I can't watch it because I'm like, why am I watching these people clean? But talking about it is really fun. Yeah. But I'm like, why am I watching Maids Fight? You know what I mean? You guys do so many shows. You cover so many shows. Yeah.

- It's incredible. - Yeah, what do you do these days? Do you stick to all the housewives? - Like, solidly? - You know, right now I'm just doing Valley and finishing up Summer House. And then I'm gonna actually be recapping In Just Like That coming up. - Oh, you are? - Which is fun. So I've already recorded a couple of those with my friend Hannah's joining me. - Oh, Hannah Brown. - So we're gonna be covering that. Sort of, it'll be like a half paternity leave 'cause I'm able to record 'em a little early.

Okay. Love it. And so that's all I'm going to be doing. And how are you liking, oh, I'm sorry, what were you going to say? No, but I, and then Housewives, like I haven't been covering Atlanta. I did Beverly Hills, but I just kind of pick, I like to pick two shows. I can't do more than two shows.

It's a lot. And we used to do it where we would do three or four shows in one episode, and then there would be three-hour episode, or two and a half hours, three, four hours, you know? And then now people still to this day are like, I'm trying to listen to Real Housewives of Orange County season whatever, and I can't find it. And I'm like, I know we covered the Brooks Cancer season, so...

Now we have to go through and figure out what episode and what timestamp everything is. So, yeah, it's-- keep it simple. - We do our best. - I think you do it right. Yeah, we do our best. You're keeping it simple. You're doing it right. Okay, so what's the other one that you cover? Summer House. Okay, so where do you stand on Lexi? Lexi-- Jexi? I'm so tired of Lexi and Jesse. It's like, I feel like nobody else had anything going on. I'm gonna be Danny Downer for a minute, so I apologize, but...

I feel like nobody else had anything going on. And so, like, production and the cast and everything really, like, leaned into this Lexi-Jessie thing. And I find it... I don't know. I don't... I find it just like a 20-something, three-week relationship that...

they are trying to make into a bigger thing than it is. Like, production, the cast, everyone. And I think it's largely because there's just no other storylines going on. I mean, Kyle and Amanda didn't really have anything going on. West just sort of was silent the whole season.

Paige had the thing with Craig, but that was largely off-screen and he came in for a couple episodes. So Gabby was missing for a few episodes. Emeril was edited out of episodes. So it was like, I just think nobody else had anything. And so they really leaned in hard and tried to make this thing... They presented the Lexi and Jesse thing even in the editing and the...

um everything as a much bigger thing and it's exhausting and it just is like it was a two three week relationship like i don't give a and like i've been there i guess where it's nothing and i'm still like but you can't get me to believe that a model who dated a beckham cares about jesse i just don't believe it i've never believed it

You heard him sing. Like, I just don't believe that. I saw somebody online the other day say that Jesse looks like he has too many teeth for his mouth.

And he's got a beautiful smile, but I can't stop thinking about that. Every time I think of Jesse, I'm now just like looking at his teeth, like I'm focusing on it. Yeah. Jesse's a teeth man. So what else is on there? Summer House, we said, the Valley, we said, and then that's it. Have you heard anything about the new Vanderpump Rules? No, I saw some photos from filming, but I haven't heard like anything good or bad about

You know, it seems to me like Bravo overall is maybe trying to keep a little bit more lock and key over like stuff that's filming, which I like. And I don't know if that's what's happening with Vanderpump Rules, but I noticed it with like The Real Housewives of Orange County. There hasn't been much leaked about what's going on. And Salt Lake City, there hasn't been much leaked about what's going on. And Miami, which is upcoming. Did you see the Miami episode?

Of course, yes. Oh, that's one of my favorite ones. That's the most underrated Housewives, I think. That one gets like five people watching it. Like if you look at the rating, I follow Ratings Bravo on X. I love her. Or them. I don't know if it's her. I assume it's her because she has the Meredith blowing in the wind picture. That one back there behind me. I'm sure there's plenty of men on Twitter with that as their profile picture.

picture. I'm sure. So I don't know if it's a her or not, but in my mind, it's Meredith with her wind blowing. I'm talking about ratings. Here's what happened on Atlanta. They're down in the socials. Anyway.

That one I follow, and I feel so bad for Miami, because Miami's like one person. You know, it'll be like we tracked one person watching it this week, and it's so good. And I don't understand too, because to me, Miami is also very aspirational in the way that like, I think it looks really rich on camera, it's very colorful, and...

So I don't understand exactly where the disconnect is because I think it's like high drama, a mix of like really messy people, but I think you also still have like likable people on there. It's like a half and half cast where it's like,

you know very more regular people and then also crazies which i love yeah who's regular on that show i think they're all crazy dr nicole's i mean she's no longer on how long did she last she lasted two minutes she was like bye i can't i think at some point she was like enough enough of you crazies but yeah she's fairly normal for someone who's out yacht shopping and like a rich normal yeah

Yeah. And her dad's story was good. And Gertie's, I think, like a rich normal. Gertie's fair. Yeah, Gertie's normal, too. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, they did bring in some more normals. Kiki's a quirky normal. She's like, I don't know, what would that, like, you know that meme or whatever, it's like chaotic good, chaotic evil or whatever. I feel like Kiki's chaotic good. Yeah, she's good. She's a good one. But the standbys are all still insane. Yeah, like Alexia's chaotic evil. Or, you know, like, we could fit them all in that thing. It's time for a commercial.

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And they're actually aspirational in the way that they keep living glamorous lives. And I have no idea how. Like Alexia, how? I mean, I know she got money when the ex died or maybe. I mean, I don't even know what's going on. But remember when Todd was like, OK, here's why we rent.

I have a statement. You know, and he makes like a full statement that he's written down on paper. And I don't know how they... They all seem like fraudsters and I don't know how they have money. And maybe they are. And they still are rich. I can't wait to see what's going on with Todd and Alexia because they were like getting a divorce and then getting... Now they're back together, I think. So... And I don't really know. I think the other thing I like about Miami is maybe because I just... They don't get as much press. Like if...

In Beverly Hills, I feel like if Kyle makes one move with Morgan, it's all over page six and everything. But Miami doesn't quite get that. And so I go into the seasons not really knowing as much. And so even with the Lexi and Todd stuff, I'm like, oh, I'm excited to see what happens there. Because all I know is that they were going to get divorced and then now are getting divorced.

um not getting divorced so i guess is and i have no information this is just from watching the show but my guess is she had problems with her kids because todd was always going against the bratty kid peter and so i think she left todd to show her son that she was going to stand up for her son but then stayed with todd so she could have her cake and eat it too that's what i'm guessing trying to please peter i can't little

Don't raise your child like she raised Peter. I'm telling you that right now. Don't do it. I'll be there. I'll be there in my little ante van making sure that baby's not being raised by Peter. I'll be like, you will not videotape homeless people while you beat them, little baby. Let's go to Van Leeuwen's. Where do you stand on Adriana?

I love Adriana. She's insane. Me too. She's got severe issues, but I love that she's on the show. And I think it's very smart that they won't make her full-time because she always comes to work to try and get that full-time. All those Miami gals I do think work harder than the other franchises. I feel that way about Salt Lake City too. I think Salt Lake City, they work harder than...

than beverly hills a lot of them work harder than like beverly hills doesn't do those girls don't work at all and somehow they still come off even the most boring seasons i find entertaining and i don't really know why but um yeah they do put in the work i met adriana at bravo con she was sitting on this couch i was with miss patricia that was the day i saw you so i walked from you and went to some green room or whatever and saw

And Miss Patricia was like, who's that? And she's just like lounging on this couch. You know, she's got like her leg up and she's lounged like it's a chaise lounge and all the fans are swarming her. And Patricia's like, get me out of here. These people are crazy. They'll crawl all over you, you know. And Adriana's like, no, like she's she's loving it. People are crawling over the couch to ask Adriana questions. And she's like, you, you watch my show? And I said, yeah. And she's like, what do you think? You like it?

She's just doing her hair, basking in the compliments. And I thought, you are as crazy in real life. And I love that about you. I did their panel, the Miami panel last year, or whatever the last BravoCon was. And yeah, I felt like beforehand, they were all coming up to me and being like, well, you need to bring up this thing, or you need to bring up that thing. And

They were all just exactly what I wanted them to be. But also with Miss Patricia, I don't know if you were with her, but I had like sat and had a conversation with her and I love Miss Patricia.

We had this whole conversation and I left thinking like, "Oh, we're like buddies now." And then on Instagram, she posted a photo with somebody else and tagged me on it. And I was like, "Oh, that's not me." I wrote her. I was like, "That's not me." And she's like, "What are you talking about?" And I was like, "You tagged me and we were there together, but that's not me." And she's like, "Yes, it is." So I was like, "I guess we're not that close."

Sounds about right. She told me, you should do Botox. And I said, I do do Botox. And she said, you need better Botox. That's not working. Whatever they're telling you they're doing to you, they're not doing it.

Well, speaking of speaking care, I've told this on my show before, but I apologize for repeating myself. But I used to do a thing on my Instagram called Face Mask Friday, where I would put on, like, I would try different face masks, like shitty ones, drugstore ones, whatever. And she sent me in the mail a bottle of La Mer, like a very expensive bottle of La Mer with like her personalized stationery. Another reason why I thought we were like close friends. But

But with her stationery, it said, like, don't use those cheap masks or something. Or don't use that cheap skincare product. And then it signed Patricia. I'll never forget that. It was the best thing ever. That's pretty good. All right, let's get into some Bravo headlines, shall we? Yeah.

We were just talking about how we don't hear a lot of things from between the shows. But this is actually an old story, but we didn't get to talk about it last time. Katie Janela, have you heard any of the stuff going on with Katie G on Real Housewives of Orange County? Well, all I've heard is that she wasn't on the main cast trip at the end of the season. Yeah, I saw some Instagram she did where she was... You know where they say like...

"Katy, the government, is what the government calls me." "Kate is what my mother calls me." You know those posts? - Yeah, like those memes or whatever. - Yeah, those memes. And then the last one was, "Liar, what my fellow workmates call me." She's like trying to be all badass. I was like, "Ooh, what happened with Katy?"

So this rumor from TV Deeds. Her job may be in jeopardy after a major altercation with Emily Simpson and Gretchen Rossi. Katie wanted to go on the recent cast trip to Amsterdam, but she was not allowed to. Let's just say her future is not looking bright on OCE. Without saying too much, a major announcement will be coming soon.

Here's what bothers me. I don't care that much about Katie. I mean, I liked her okay, but whatever. Here's what bothers me. Emily Simpson and Gretchen Rossi teaming up. Vile. No. New hip. New hip. And Gretchen. New hip! Yeah.

And Gretchen. Do you do that all the time too? Yeah. And I'm not someone who even needed Gretchen back. Like I, I don't, I was fine with it. I was fine without Gretchen. I don't understand. Like really, I feel like people wanted her back and I'm like, what? I never got that. No, I didn't. I don't think anybody asked for Gretchen back, but Gretchen's back. I mean, it'll be interesting to see how she's, I was going to use the word evolved. I'm going to rescind. Yeah.

Because I don't think that'll happen. But changed. Because I think she's become like a big far, like she's become very extreme in her politics, let's just say, from what I've seen on the Instagram. So it'll be interesting to see how that works out. All I've seen on the Instagram is like the no-nos photos where it's just like they're so heavily filtered.

There's no recognizable features because there's such like a Vaseline over the lens. Yeah. And she's got this beautiful daughter. I mean, of course she had a beautiful daughter. Gretchen's beautiful, you know, so she had, and Slade's hot. Like, you know, I'm not talking about the insides. Oh, you think Slade's hot? Well, I mean, he's a good looking man. I'm not talking about his insides, but...

you know, yeah, he's good. He's well-featured or whatever. So they had a little, you know, put some good genetics in there and had this little adorable kid. But she's very like child beauty pageant JonBenet, like hair curled and full out in her car seat, you know? And Gretchen's hair is done the same way. So I guess I'm kind of interested on seeing that part. You know, I don't like in general also on the house with them sort of pushing Katie off the trip. I don't like any time when...

a cast member doesn't go on the cast trip. Like, I'd rather them go on the cast trip and just argue with everybody than just not go on the cast trip. Like, I don't like when people try to decide, like, oh, they're not coming on my... It's my trip. It's like, no, this is a cast show. We all know that...

it's not really the person doing the trip. Like it's all pretend. It's the production company is planning the trip. So I don't like when it's like somebody comes in and says, well, they're not coming or something. And I don't know how it'll play out, but I don't like that. I want everyone on the cast trip, whether you all hate each other or not. I need you on the cast trip. That's the point. Especially if you hate each other, get on the cast trip. How are we supposed to yell at you if you're at home?

And back to Gretchen, I also am curious how Tamara will play it because Tamara's even savvier than ever, I think, because she's got her podcast now where she analyzes housewives like we do.

So I think she's savvier than ever. And I think I'm curious which route she'll take because I feel like in ordinary circumstances, she would have butted up against Gretchen coming back. But I almost feel like she's going to think, well, that's what they expect of me. So I'm going to buddy up with Gretchen. Does that make sense? And I'm curious which road she'll take.

Yeah, she's in a rough position this season because they're ready to come for her after last season. Because remember last season in the reunion, how Tamara was quiet the whole time? She's like, yeah, you know, I thought about it and I'm sorry. Every time they would confine her, she's like, yeah, I thought about it. I'm so sorry about it. And she wouldn't fight. And so she knew because they were all and they all had reason, but they always have reason. They still don't come for her. But last year they did. And so they're going to get her.

They're going to try and get her this year. Well, we do know that she quit. I love how we started this whole podcast or whatever off by saying that we don't know anything about Orange County. And now we're talking about it. I'm like, oh, I know everything. But that's all we heard. You know, you're right. We did hear that she quit. Well, because she, you know, she said it. She went on her Instagram. She was like, sometimes you come to the point where you could.

take it anymore i'm too good of a person there's real life stuff happening guys i quit but it's like it's like that kyle richards quitting though where it's like she did the same thing last season and then come to the episode and it was like half an episode she wasn't in it's like okay yeah well yeah tamra's especially kyle oh my god kyle kyle's the worst with that every season like it

Every season, two months before, starts with Kyle Richards. Stories popping up all over the place. Is Kyle Richards returning? Kyle Richards can't return. She can't take the behavior from her fellow castmates. And this year, they had us believing it was going to be a whole Kyle takedown. Where was the takedown? I saw no takedown. I think the show would benefit from Kyle taking a season or two off. Like, it just... I feel like she runs that...

show too much and it sucks a lot of the air out of all the dynamics with everyone else. And so I just wish she would step aside for a minute.

I do, too. But, you know, no one's surprised that I think that. God, she makes me nuts. She frustrates me. And I didn't like the villainizing Garcelle over the just be a lesbian if you want to. I mean, you're the one putting it in the tabloids every day. She's just trying to be supportive. And it's like, that's the show. I don't... And then, I mean, this was so long ago, but yeah, even at the reunion with Garcelle, it was like, they were kind of mad that she didn't have any craziness going on. And it's like, well...

I don't know. It's like, sorry that her husband didn't bamboozle the elderly or like, I don't know. Yeah. Sorry her husband didn't bamboozle the elderly. Yeah. Oh God, Erica, we could talk about that all day.

Okay, wait, can we talk about the Erika and Jesse Solomon stuff? Yes, let's do it right now. I haven't got a chance to talk about this. Yes, let's do it. I haven't either. So, Erika Jayne and Jesse Solomon hooked up after Watch What Happens live taping in New York, according to a source. What do you think? One of the Umansky daughters was the source.

I think it's crazy. I think it's crazy. And I wonder, I think a lot of these people, I wonder if they actually hook up for the right reasons or if it's just angling for storylines. I don't know. That's the cynical part of me. I'm like,

But does she want Jesse as a storyline? I just don't see that. I guess she would like the other ladies being like, "Oh, yeah, Erica hooked up with some young, you know, allegedly hot person." Well, and it's like headlines. It's like not even for her show. It's more like just 'cause it's headlines to keep-- to help keep her spot on the show or his spot on the show.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't see that one happening. I can't visualize it. And if I can't visualize you fucking, I don't think you're a real couple. Okay, but who do you think they could hook up? Who could you visualize either one of them with outside of their own franchises? Jessie, I could see hooking up with most people. And it's, I mean, Erica's gorgeous, so it's not anything. Ew, Erica. It's nothing like that. I just, Erica gives off this non-sexual vibe to me. Okay.

Because she tries very hard, you know, to give off her persona. It's my persona. I'm acting. I'm Erika Jayne. You know, her Erika Jayne thing. I'm a sex kitten. But I don't believe it. I think she's a non-sexual person.

What do you think? I mean, that's probably not something we should speculate on, but who cares? Let's do it anyway. Well, and I was actually just talking to a friend about how that... Did you see that Bravo... I'm sort of taking us on a roundabout way, but have you seen that Bravo article or the People magazine article that was like the hottest Bravo bachelors or whatever? And it was like Shep, Carl...

Jesse, I don't know, Schwartz. That was offensive to... It was so offensive. That was offensive. I felt like that entire group was asexual, which not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just like to present them as like these, I don't know, I felt like that whole group thing... That's interesting because I didn't catch that through line, but you're right. You've got Carl.

Who's like named himself soft. So let's start there. And also like he was open about it. Remember he hadn't had sex for a while and then as he was flirting with Ciara, he's like, yeah, I couldn't make it work or whatever. When I did hook up with that girl, he said this season. And then Lindsay said he couldn't make it work then either. Schwartz been very open about that. Obviously, yeah. Katie said, let's talk about how your dick doesn't work. Yeah. Shep, I don't know. I just...

Shep doesn't seem, Shep seems drunk sexual where he can like, and you know, Shep only lasts 30 seconds anyway. So it's not like the other guys are probably trying to like actually have sex. Whereas Shep, I think is like a frat boy. He's like, and it's over. It's back.

I thought it was rude to Tyson Beckford to pair him with all of those people. To Tyson. I just felt like that's inappropriate. He's an international fashion model. Yeah, I thought so too. But I didn't really get the sexless through line until you said it. But now that you said it, that's true. Maybe asexuals are taking over. I just thought, are these the only men on Bravo? Who turned it... There must have been people that turned it down or something. I want to know the mechanics of how that article came to be because...

That can't be like the best Bravo bachelors. Okay, then let's make our own. So who are the best Bravo bachelors? And I'll be reading comments during this to see what you guys say. The captain obviously turned it down. Sandy? Yeah, Captain...

Who's the Australian guy? Captain Sandy, the hottest umbrella. Captain Jason from Down Under. He came out with a line of kimonos, and by that I mean one kimono for $300. Captain Jason. There's no doubt in my mind that they went to him and he turned it down. Okay. Yeah, I agree. He would have taken it. I would imagine...

All the ads this season are like Jason coming out of the water in a wet white uniform shirt. Yeah, he would have taken it. Who else? Who do you say next? Did I lose you? Oh my God, we're frozen. Hello, are you? Okay, you're back. You're back. Okay, thank God. I almost lost my fucking mind. Okay, so who was the one you said after? I said Andy probably turned it down. Andy Cohen. They probably went to him and he was like, no, I'm not doing that. Right? Andy was probably like, not with Carl. Not with Carl. Absolutely not.

I'm not going with Carl and Chef. Okay, who do you think else? Jesse and West. I feel like West would have been the better choice between Jesse and West. West, you know, West gives that kind of barstool sports, gross, slick, I haven't taken a bath and I smell like bar rot vibe. But I agree. I still think that there's something sexy about West.

Who would you choose? Who else would we, are we missing? I would go with Wes. People are saying Craig. I think that's fair. You know, I don't find Craig, I mean, I think Craig's adorable, but I don't, I wouldn't call unfair on that. I think Craig would be the hottest from that show. And especially if we're going with, if Shep's the other option, obviously Craig is a way better option than Shep.

Right. If you're going to pick somebody from that show, it would be Craig, right? Or to be honest with you, I think, well, Rodrigo's in a relationship, right? Isn't there somebody in there that's, isn't there another guy on Southern Charm? The silent gay was cute with his like weird wig or whatever. He was cute. I forgot his name.

I don't think he'll be back. It was kind of boring. I can see why they wouldn't pick him. Southern Hospitality. Oh, Russell from Real Housewives of Miami, the husband of Gertie. But he's not a bachelor. They got to be bachelors. Oh, they have to be a bachelor. But what about the Southern Hospitality guys? Isn't there someone there? I don't know. There just had to have been better people than that grouping.

Yeah, there had to be better people. They didn't do a good job at that. And there's something in here about those things. It's like, oh, here's the pics from the sexiest bachelors of... Let me find it in here. Bravo's most eligible bachelors spill their grooming secrets. Are you seriously going to have me take grooming advice from Shep? Never. No, that's insulting, actually. No.

Please. Insulting. How dare you? Or Schwartz. How dare you? Or Schwartz. Like, who's taking grooming advice from Schwartz? Schwartz, no. That man's never won a shoe in his life on camera. The man slept on a suitcase. Yeah, the man slept on a suitcase. On his wedding day, he was bathing in a lake. Like, what do we... I want grooming advice from that man or Carl. Like, I'm sorry. This is disgusting. Carl in his white pants, no. And now he's like into flow. He's like, I'm into flowy pants now. Yeah. I'm into soft pants. So...

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because our world has gone fucking crazy. And that is this piece of news. Real Housewives of New York singer, Real Housewives of New York alum Ramona Singer considering Florida political run. Ramona Singer has been making headlines for her time recently spent down in Florida besides partying at Mar-a-Lago, the former Real Housewives of New York star is possibly looking to throw her at in the political ring.

The thought is terrifying. Yeah. Unfortunately, I do think this could be true. And I don't I'm not happy to say that, but I do believe that it could be possible. You know what? Tax poor people. Why don't people tax poor people? They take up all the sidewalks anyway. Like if our taxes are going to pay for sidewalks, why can't it be paid for by the people that are sleeping on them? You know what? Tax tense.

And you know what? I've never looked better. I look younger than ever. She's always telling us how she's never looked better. It's like, let other people say that to you. That would be her debate argument. They'd be like, ma'am, I think you were out of line. Oh, yeah. But you know what? I look young. You look old.

Oh my God. What a nightmare that would be. I don't know. I feel like she will, it would run for like some, not even like, I don't know, like a, a low position. I don't, right. It would, it wouldn't be like a big position. It would be, I think you're allowed to do insider trading and all of those positions. So I think that even a starter, I think even starter level, if you're elected, you can do insider trading. That's what I think I'm going to run. Yeah.

I want to run for Congress. Unfortunately, I do think we're moments away from her being elected into some cabinet in our current administration, like Siggy Flicker or something. Siggy can do it. I'm too scared to go. I'm too vulnerable right now to be checking my news app, so I can't even pay attention. It's smart. It's insane right now. I read headlines and I'm like, this...

This is not true, right? Because a lot of times I'll read them on Reddit. I get my housewives news on Reddit. So it'll be like, Reddit, Reddit, Reddit. It'll be housewives, housewives, housewives, hard news. And I have to look at the subreddit to see if it's a joke. I know. It's too much. It's too much. I deleted, or I got off Twitter and I was like, it was getting too bleak for me.

I was just seeing too many bad stories and I was just using my news app. I was like, I'm not going to go on any of social medias. I'm just going to go on my news app. And just, I followed at the time only like video game news, movie news. And then like, once you click on one story, the, the,

the like world events stories just sort of trickle in and then eventually like my news app was just current event news and yeah there's no escaping it there's no escape just pretend it just pretend that none of this is real that's what i do i know that's true i just pretend you know it's like did you see that um that hbo show well it was a british show but it was on hbo and it's about a family over like 10

decades or something or five decades or whatever what was it called and you see you see all these world events happen and i just think of it like that like when i was born there was major shit going on in the world and everything was great for a second and then there was major shit going we've lived through a lot yeah the world trade stuff you know 9 11 the pandemic wars famines

the price of eggs. I mean, we've gone through a lot. We'll be okay. That just sounded like Ramona's campaign speech. And through it all, I've hated poor people. That's it. And now I look young. I've aged all those years and I look younger than ever. All right. Speaking of old Roni, uh,

This is not the newest story either, but we haven't had a chance to comment on this, which was hysterical. Sonia Morgan blacklisted from NYC Italian hotspot after refusing to pay $1,000 bill she thought was comped. God bless her. You know, God bless her. I do worry about my Sonia. I worry about her, to be honest with you. Every time a headline comes out about Sonia, just I worry. I worry.

I worry too, but Sonia has made it longer than I thought. I thought there was a time there where I was like, Sonia is just going to go out into the middle of the ocean on some stolen yacht and sink. Like, I just thought there's no way this woman is going to make it. And she's still kicking, demanding free shit wherever she goes. I mean, I have to say I'm kind of proud. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, they should have given it to her. Yeah.

Just give Sonya the free meal at this point. You know, Sonya, she has given us a lot and she seems to be down on her luck and could maybe use the free meal. So I worry, but also maybe just-- Sonya hasn't been up on her luck since we met Sonya on the first episode of this show. But you know what? They all got good press out of this. Sonya was in page six and the restaurant was in page six. They all got-- Everyone came out a winner.

Yeah. I mean, she's got a lot of nerve, though. So she went to this restaurant with, I think, like five guys. I'm not sure. Yeah, like five dudes. I think, I don't even know dudes. People. And she went in and tried to get them all free meals. Like, what?

I don't think you do that, even if you are a star, ma'am. And she was going, I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. And I think she thought she was at Stanley Tucci's restaurant because I think Stanley Tucci would have done it because the restaurant's called Tucci. And, you know, it feels like Stanley would have some pity, but it wasn't. It was Max. Max is a real bitch. So he kicked her out. And then she got put in some ambulance. And the rumors are that they gave her the opportunity

They were like, we can arrest you or we can put you on an ambulance, which I think is celebrity treatment, don't you? Yeah. The thing that I was worried about was after that, when she came out and said like her explanation of that just seemed really dark sided because it was just like, yeah, like she didn't seem to have any concern over what happened. I don't, that's what worries about me. It's like, I don't feel like she sees herself as being out of control ever, but

Yeah. I don't know. Well, I don't think you do. Do you? I don't think when you're out of control that you see it. I don't think you're ever like, oh my God, I'm so out of control. I think other people lock you in somewhere and then it takes you a couple of weeks. But it's happened too many times. Remember that was, there was like a story where she was in Philly and like was,

There's so many stories that come out where she can't-- - The gay bar? - Yeah, like she can't stand or she can't-- It's like, I don't like that. I like quirky Sonya and whatever being a little messy, but I don't like when I see the stories and she's in an ambulance or can't stand upright or-- - Yeah, yeah. - I'm like, "Oh, that's a little too far for me." - It's too dark. - Yeah. - It's too dark, yeah. - I would have loved her on that Love Hotel show because I think she would have been more fun.

on it, but obviously she needs to get it together. She's too much of a mess, I think, because they tried the crappy late thing with her, and it was just too much. I think she was just too much. She was doing the fall-down drunk thing on that, too, and fucking dudes from the little...

I don't know, Piggly Wiggly Bar. What was that bar called that they went to? And it was just, it crosses the line, I think, to where it makes people uncomfortable. It's like she'll poop herself. Remember that was one of her big stories was like, oh, I love taking the Chitney. I take the Chitney all the time to the Hamptons because I could just wear the pins and I never have to use the bathroom. It's like,

That's your story that you're pooping yourself on purpose? I will say, though, that entire cast, the amount of shit they shit themselves with throughout their run was shocking. Like, for a group of adult women to, like, I mean, there were times, you can probably go through the footage. I don't know if anyone has ever done this, but you can probably go through those first 13 seasons of the show and count how many times they pissed or shit themselves. And they're adult women, and it happened a lot.

There were times where people would comment, I think on the girls trip they did, the New York girls trip, where people were like, did you guys catch that pile of poop that Ramona, like Ramona's walking and then there's like a pile of poop by Ramona. And so I saw it in the comments and I went back and I looked at the footage and it was not poop, it was like a...

because you know they were in bathing suits, so it was water on the wood, and so it looked kind of, it was shaped maybe like a clump, and I think, but I thought that's where New York has taken us, that you're on, you're in the mood where you're always like looking for poop. Like where did Ramona poop today? Where did she shit? It happened so much. Like it wasn't just one trip. It was like every time they went on a trip, somebody would be like, Dorindo would be like, oh, Ramona shit in my bathroom or something. It's like, what? How does this happen?

Yeah, that showed that too dark. It missed the toilet. It was on the, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so that's enough of that. But we love our Sonia, you know. Sonia, get it together. We're wishing her the best. Just enough. Just get it together enough, you know, to stay with us because we love you. Okay, here's a really good one that I don't know that I can believe and I wasn't going to bring it up except that I see it getting repeated everywhere. And this is repeated in hardcore intellectual media now everywhere.

Boss Magazine. So I believe that. Which is Dolores Catania joining the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Have you heard this? What do you think? Do you think this is a bunch of bunk? You know, I have heard it. My opinion is that she'll appear on it or something. Like, I don't...

She probably maybe knows one of the people or something, and so maybe she'll, like, guess. But I don't think it'll be more than, like, a guess. That's my gut instinct, but I don't know anything. -It just feels right. -I think you're right. I think you're right. I think what they're gonna do is, like, have the first season be Dolores, like, handing the baton in some way. Like, being girls, I love Rhode Island. Like, do you have Pebbles Isles here? What a gorgeous city.

And I've always loved this girl, she loves her girlfriend just like I love my girlfriends. And she'll go to a party and that'll be it. Yeah, yeah. She'll know one of them or something. Because Andy has said that there's like an Italian angle for Rhode Island and it feels very New Jersey.

And so, yeah, I think there'll be some sort of baton. Baton? Baton. Baton. It's the Rhode Island version of a baton. It's like a rattan baton. Yeah. Yeah. So it should pop up, I would imagine. But, you know, I'm more interested in seeing what happens with Jersey because I think they will ultimately figure that cast out and bring back half of them.

I think they're insane for what they're doing. Jersey is the second highest rated Housewives. It was almost tied exactly with Beverly Hills this year. So for them to just say, we're not bringing it back because it's too toxic. Jersey's always been toxic. What are you talking about? I actually enjoyed the season. I thought it was really good. And I personally don't need Teresa or Melissa filming together for it to be a good season. I don't care. I liked what they did with that weird...

that weird ending where they got together instead of a reunion, like, to me, that worked. It was like, I kind of just think, "Yeah, give them another-- give them a season, and if a reunion doesn't work, I'm okay with that. Like, if you give me something else instead of it, great."

That was a beautiful episode, that last episode. And then everybody getting mad and storming out anyway. And then Dolores drinking everybody else's drinks off the table was really funny. And it did really well. Ratings-wise, it did really well. And so I don't understand why. And if it's just the Teresa and Melissa thing, then it's like, just get rid of one of them and...

and figure it out from there. Yeah. Who would you pick between Teresa? Well, maybe I shouldn't say that to you because I feel like you'd get in real trouble with these people because I don't know these people. Well, I mean, to me, even aside from my opinions on it production-wise, I think what makes the most sense is having Teresa do a spinoff with Louis. I also don't think production wants to...

I think they see so much story with Teresa and Louis ahead of them. And obviously there's been stuff that's come out since then. Like, you know, it's her, it's, I think like it's kind of her show and it's like,

But so I would, if I was them, I would do like a Teresa spinoff and then, you know, they could keep Melissa on the other show. Like that to me, production wise. Oh, I don't know the Teresa spinoff. Mostly because I don't want to recap it and it sounds hard. All the Teresa spinoffs have been like bloody hell. Although the wedding was pretty funny. That was pretty funny. Oh yeah, yeah. But like a full...

A full reboot. I mean, a full spinoff of Teresa. I don't want that. But I do agree that I think Bravo sees the story. They know that Louis is going to jail at some point. And the way it's looking now, he's probably taking Teresa with him again. It looks like it could happen any moment from everything I'm reading. So I want to see it. And Teresa gets the headlines in a way that the other women don't. Like, Teresa, no matter what happens...

she's going to get headlines because she's been with the show since the beginning. So I think that's how Bravo looks at it. It's like, well, how do we do it without Teresa? Because that's like built-in story. It makes all of their jobs easier because they have built-in storylines. Melissa doesn't have built-in storylines. I think Melissa, people like her and she's very likable and stuff. And I enjoy Melissa sometimes too. But I don't know if that's a good TV show. But...

But Teresa's like a, even if you hate her, I think it's a lot of stuff. Melissa can go. Melissa needs to go. I think her story's played out. It's like the fight with the sister and the brother. That's over. They're not speaking. Okay, it's done. I think they just keep her for Joe, really. I mean, I think that's what everyone thinks, right? They keep her for Joe. Teresa's, you know, a monster. I'm not saying like, oh, Teresa's amazing. She should win because she's the best person. It's not that. I just think that the entertainment value is Teresa, so...

You know, don't reboot the whole thing. Please don't put us through this again. I can't take anymore. It's hard. And no one wants the full reboot. I don't think it works. I think like they need to do it if they want to get rid of even I would even even take them like getting rid of both Teresa and Melissa and keeping a few like Dolores and a couple others. I don't know who else I would keep Dolores.

I'd keep Margaret. I love Margaret. I like Jen Fessler, too. I don't know if that's a popular opinion. I like Jen Fessler. I like her. Yeah. I slept with Tony Soprano. I like her, too. Yeah.

Like her tail. And I like Margaret, you know, I like those people. So I think that would work too. As long as they need to keep some anchors or even like just keep, if Dolores even is the only one, like just keep Dolores. Like, but I can't do a full cast reboot. Like I can't do it. No, I can't either. I say bring Rosie and Cannoli back. Bring the Kathy, Kathy, the Cannoli lady back.

Keep Teresa. Keep Margaret. Keep Danielle Cabral. I like her. Don't keep Rachel Foda and don't keep Melissa. That's what I say. I sort of, I didn't like Rachel. I liked Rachel, but not the husband.

Rachel just went too into it the second season. She thought she was too big the second season. And I'm like, honey, the show's not built around... I'm sorry to say, honey, that's condescending. But I just mean, like, the show's not built around you, lady. You know? She's very like, well, I won't film with her. I'm like, who cares? Who are you? Who wants to watch you? Get the hell out of here. I know. I wish there was some world where they could just be like, look...

you're either you're all losing the show or you all have to film together. And then we could just keep the same cast. I think they did, and they're still being hard-headed about it. Yeah, so that's the problem. All right, so we're going to move over to the question and answer portion of this with the listeners. So I'm going to post the link here in the comments over on YouTube if you guys want to come ask Danny some questions. We've got about 10 minutes because we started a little late because it was my fault. Sorry, Danny. But come over, and the audio portion is ending now.

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