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Elon and Trump need space

2025/6/11
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Donald Trump
批评CHIPS Act,倡导使用关税而非补贴来促进美国国内芯片制造。
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Elaine Kamarck
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Elon Musk
以长期主义为指导,推动太空探索、电动汽车和可再生能源革命的企业家和创新者。
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Josh Keating: 我认为埃隆·马斯克和特朗普的决裂源于特朗普违背了任命 Jared Isaacman 为 NASA 局长的承诺。尽管两人关系紧张,但美国政府在可预见的未来仍将与埃隆·马斯克保持业务往来,因为美国的国防机构和太空计划已经非常依赖 SpaceX。SpaceX 的创新,如可重复使用的猎鹰 9 号火箭,大大降低了太空发射的成本,并成为美国军事情报部门的主要工具。军方也在使用 SpaceX 的星链网络,包括专门为军方设计的星盾。NASA 也非常依赖 SpaceX 的龙飞船进行载人航天飞行。如果美国想重返月球和火星,就很难看到没有 SpaceX 我们该怎么做。虽然存在替代方案,如波音公司的新运载火箭和贝索斯的蓝色起源,但它们尚未准备好与 SpaceX 竞争。美国对 SpaceX 的依赖也存在漏洞,因为埃隆·马斯克的一些行为,如与外国领导人对话和发表党派言论,引发了担忧。SpaceX 还在竞标 Golden Dome 的合同,这是一个旨在保护国家免受威胁的导弹防御系统。总的来说,埃隆·马斯克在太空领域拥有真正的力量和影响力,但美国对 SpaceX 的依赖也带来了一些风险。

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Vox’s Joshua Keating explains why the US government can’t have a big, beautiful breakup with Elon Musk. And now that he’s left DOGE, Elaine Kamarck from Brookings explains what happens to it.

This episode was produced by Avishay Artsy with help from Denise Guerra, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Patrick Boyd, and hosted by Sean Rameswaram.

Further reading: Why Trump probably can’t cut Musk loose )Listen to Today, Explained ad-free by becoming a Vox Member: vox.com/members.) Transcript at vox.com/today-explained-podcast.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk speaking alongside President Trump in the Oval Office. Photo by Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images.

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