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Timothy Martin: 尹锡悦总统的职业生涯始于检察官,他从未担任过民选公职,如今却身陷韩国民主历史上最激烈的政治调查之中。他宣布戒严,声称韩国受到朝鲜共产主义势力的威胁,并将反对党议员和国会称为“贼窝”,这一举动引发了民众的强烈抗议和政治混乱。反对派议员试图进入国会大厦阻止戒严令,民众也走上街头抗议,与警方和军方发生冲突。最终,在反对党的努力下,尹锡悦总统同意解除戒严令。然而,这仅仅是事件的开始。在戒严令解除后不久,反对党立即启动了弹劾尹锡悦总统的程序。第一次弹劾投票未能成功,但第二次弹劾投票成功,尹锡悦总统被弹劾,总统权力被暂停。权力移交给总理韩德洙,但韩德洙也很快被弹劾。随后,权力移交给副总理兼经济财政部长官崔相穆,他同时担任三个职位。调查人员试图逮捕尹锡悦总统,但未成功,尹锡悦总统及其团队拒绝接受调查,认为对其的指控缺乏法律依据。整个事件造成了韩国的宪政危机、政治危机和领导力危机,也给韩国带来了来自朝鲜的压力以及领导力真空可能带来的风险。韩国现代民主历史较短,此前曾经历过数十年的军事统治,历任总统都面临法律问题。尹锡悦总统宣布戒严令令韩国民众震惊,因为这触及了韩国历史上的痛点。与美国的情况不同,韩国的情况更为直接,事件围绕着戒严令这一公开行为展开,并通过了韩国的民主和宪法程序。

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Why did South Korean President Yoon Suk-yeol declare martial law in December 2023?

President Yoon declared martial law on December 3, 2023, claiming the country was under threat from North Korean communist forces. He accused opposition legislators and the National Assembly of being anti-state forces and a 'den of thieves.' The decree would have placed media, political activity, and even medical services under government control, resembling military rule.

How did South Korean lawmakers and citizens respond to President Yoon's martial law declaration?

Opposition lawmakers rushed to the legislative building to hold a vote to lift martial law, while citizens, many of whom lived through South Korea's military rule in the 1980s, protested in the streets. Protesters acted as human shields against armored vehicles, and lawmakers scaled fences and quarreled with soldiers to enter the National Assembly building. Within two hours, lawmakers passed a vote asking Yoon to lift martial law.

What led to President Yoon's impeachment after the martial law incident?

Yoon's impeachment was driven by public backlash and legal scrutiny of his inner circle, including his defense minister, who was detained. The opposition party initiated the impeachment process, citing the ill-fated martial law order. Despite initial failed attempts, a second impeachment vote succeeded on December 14, 2023, with over 200 lawmakers voting in favor, suspending Yoon's presidential powers.

What is the current status of South Korea's leadership after President Yoon's impeachment?

After Yoon's impeachment, Prime Minister Han Deok-soo became acting president. However, Han was also impeached by December 27, 2023, leading to Deputy Prime Minister Chae Sung-mok assuming multiple roles, including acting president and minister of economy and finance. South Korea is currently in a leadership crisis, with uncertainty about who is running the country.

How does South Korea's history of military rule influence its current political climate?

South Korea's history of military rule, which ended in the late 1980s, remains a lived experience for many citizens. The declaration of martial law by President Yoon triggered traumatic memories of curfews, government crackdowns, and lack of civil liberties. This historical context made Yoon's actions particularly shocking and unacceptable to South Koreans, who take pride in their transition to democracy.

How does South Korea's political instability affect its relationship with North Korea?

South Korea's leadership vacuum creates high stakes, as North Korea could exploit the instability. The two major South Korean parties differ significantly on North Korea policy: conservatives favor confrontation, while the opposition prioritizes diplomacy. The uncertainty over who is calling the shots militarily adds to the concern, as North Korea may attempt provocative actions during this period of flux.

What is the significance of South Korea's young democracy in this crisis?

South Korea's modern democracy, established in the late 1980s, is relatively young. The current crisis tests its resilience, as citizens and institutions navigate the impeachment of a president and the suspension of his powers. Despite the turmoil, the legal and constitutional processes have been followed, indicating that South Korean democracy, while strained, is functioning.

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In April of 2023, President Biden hosted South Korean President Yoon Suk-yol for a state dinner. Normal stuff. But something very abnormal happened. President Yoon provided the entertainment. Woo!

Yoon's kept it abnormal this past month. He declared martial law on December 3rd. He took it back within hours. Didn't matter. They impeached him. And just this week, South Korean police tried to arrest him, but they failed. We're going to check in on South Korean democracy on Today Explained and remind you why it's an especially important one. Wow. Wow.

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President Yoon Suk-yeol had never held elected office before he became the president of South Korea. He was a career prosecutor who is now at the center of one of the most heated political investigations in the history of South Korean democracy. Timothy Martin's been covering the story from Seoul for The Wall Street Journal. We started with the martial law of it all. South Koreans were already asleep when President Yoon appeared on national television around 1030 local time.

and said, "I'm declaring martial law." He sensed the country was under threat by what he called North Korean communist forces. He called the opposition legislators and the National Assembly a den of thieves. He considered them to be anti-state forces. The media, political activity, even medical services would have fallen under the government's control.

So this is not a modern democracy, but something of a military dictatorship, military rule. And that set off a really chaotic six hours or so. There was almost immediately a rush by opposition lawmakers to try and get to the legislative building.

You can hear probably behind me the chanting. And people are chanting, you know, bring down the dictatorship, stop the martial law, and arrest President Yun. The one way to circumvent the martial law decree was to have lawmakers pass a vote asking the president to lift martial law. So...

It was a race against time. On one hand, you had President Yun and the police and the military seeking to stop lawmakers from entering the building. On the other, you had lawmakers scaling fences, quarreling with soldiers to get inside the National Assembly building to hold the vote. There were protesters.

many of whom were alive during South Korea's military rule that had ended in the late 1980s. They were back on the streets protesting against the police presence there. They acted as human shields against armored vehicles. They tried to block police. We saw

Soldiers landing on the legislative compound in helicopters, smashing through windows. We saw physical confrontations.

The citizens who showed up to protest this, it wasn't just, hey, they're news hounds and they showed up. They were summoned by the head of the opposition party, Lee Jae-myung, who took to YouTube Live and said, we got a problem on our hands. Show up on the streets and help us, you know, fend off the police. And that's what they did. Have you no shame?

This, to both people inside South Korea and certainly outside of it, this looked like a movie. And lawmakers within about two hours of President Yoon's national address were able to hold a vote asking the president to lift martial law. And then we had several hours after where we were in doubt. Would President Yoon follow the direction from legislators or

perhaps turned to some other method to keep it in place. So these are the wee hours of the morning by dawn.

President Yoon had said that he would agree to lift martial law after holding a cabinet meeting. Yeah, a lot of people who may have heard about this during their workday and then gotten home, turned on the news, pulled up some articles, and found out it had ended may have thought, oh, well, it was a little, you know...

You know, temporary lapse in judgment. That's the end of it. But what's happened since is it's gone on and on and on. So let's talk about everything that's transpired since December 3rd, starting with, I imagine, his impeachment, right? President Yoon is impeached almost immediately. Just hours after the martial law decree was lifted.

movement to impeach President Yun began. The opposition party said they would call a vote by the weekend. And what we saw was growing public backlash against Yun.

legal scrutiny of his inner circle that helped carry out the ill-fated martial law order. That included his defense minister, who was detained. And in the buildup to the first impeachment vote against Yoon, Yoon gave a couple of public addresses. He apologized. He said that he would work with the party to run the country.

And that led to the first vote. And I guess I should say that South Korea is run by a unicameral 300-seat legislature. So to impeach Yoon...

they needed a two-thirds vote. So they needed 200 votes out of the 300 legislators. The opposition controls 192. So they needed at least eight of Yoon's party to cross the line and vote for impeachment. Ultimately, there were not 200 votes cast. So there was not an... Impeaching Yoon was taken off the table. But...

South Korea really plunged into a leadership crisis. The vast majority of South Koreans wanted to see Yoon out. So this was, you know, a very popular idea. And in the buildup to the second impeachment vote, we saw the detained defense minister who had resigned and had said he was the one to give Yoon the martial law idea.

He tried to commit suicide. He was unsuccessful. He remains behind bars. We saw North Korea take potshots against South Korea, and they called the South a fascist dictatorship. North Korea called South Korea a fascist dictatorship. Seems hypocritical of them. Nice. Nice one. We saw hundreds of thousands of people outside of National Assembly on a frigid December afternoon,

and the vote was held on December 14th. This time, it worked. The opposition was able to get more than 200 votes.

members of Yoon's ruling party crossed the line. This was an anonymous vote. We don't know who exactly defied Yoon. So Yoon was up. And that meant his presidential powers were suspended and the acting president became Prime Minister Han Deok-soo. And

Yoon did not fight this or contest this. He said he would transition powers to the prime minister. And he signaled that, yes, I have to step away, but he left open the possibility that he might one day return to continue this journey that he had been on with the people. And South Korean presidents, by law, serve one

So Yoon is about halfway through his five-year term that should end in 2027. But now he's impeached. So how long does his number two, his prime minister, last in his place? The number two lasts about two weeks. Nice. By December 27th.

The number two was also impeached. The number three in line is a deputy prime minister, and he's also the minister of economy and finance. And his name is Chae Sung-mok. And yeah, he's got four jobs now. He's the acting president, acting prime minister, and he's got his old job of deputy prime minister and minister of economy and finance. And...

What? When does he sleep? Yeah, exactly. I wonder if he gets a pay raise during this period. So you can imagine you go down the line, how far would it go for the opposition would stop? But it looks like the number three is acquiescing. Okay. So there's some semblance of stability for the moment. Meanwhile, what's going on with President Yoon?

"President Yoon is believed to be holed up inside the presidential residence, which is in central Seoul. He is fighting for his political life and probably his freedom." Investigators say they will seek an extension to the arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk-yeol. Authorities tried and failed to arrest the impeached leader on Friday.

Yoon and his defense team, they've refused to show up for questioning three times. Special investigators received a detainment warrant. President Yoon and his Secret Service bodyguards and some protesters, they were able to fend off an arrest attempt on January 3rd, last Friday. They consider the

legal case, the criminal case against him to be unwarranted, to lack legal merit. This goes back to Yoon's point that he believes the martial law decree was simply an act of governance, not a criminal act.

So we have a very defiant stance from Yoon at this moment. Does all of this amount to a constitutional crisis in South Korea? It feels like it. Is that how South Koreans feel? Yes, I think it is a legal crisis, a constitutional crisis.

It's certainly a political crisis and a leadership crisis. We're not really sure who's running the country. Sort of depends on the topic that comes up. And to see South Korea in flux like this at any point would be an unfortunate sight. But this is a very critical moment for Seoul. This happens with North Korea becoming more belligerent and bellicose right on the border.

We see this turnover in the U.S. administrations, where South Korea has a deep relationship with the U.S. and a pretty dramatic shift from Biden to Trump. And in recent days, we had this tragic plane crash where 179 people died. So this is a moment when you would want firm, trustworthy leadership. And we have the exact opposite at this moment.

We're going to talk more about South Korean democracy with Tim when we're back on Today Explained.

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You can go to Shopify.com slash explain to start selling with Shopify today. Shopify.com slash explain. Today Explained is back with Timothy Martin, Korea Bureau Chief at the Wall Street Journal in Seoul. Tim, can you remind our listeners how long democracy has been around in South Korea? Because it hasn't been that long.

No, it hasn't. The modern democracy that we see today is really quite young. Democracy came to South Korea after LeBron James was born. It happened in the late 1980s. If we look at Korea over the centuries, during the Joseon Dynasty, they were run by a royal family for hundreds of years.

And that takes us to the Japanese occupation in 1910. And that colonial rule lasted through the end of World War II. Then geopolitics intervened and we saw the two Koreas emerge. There was the Korean War from 1950 to 1953.

And what happened after that was U.S.-backed military rule for decades. South Korea was run by brutal military rulers who would frequently call martial law order. And the last of those leaders, just to give you a sense of how not long ago this was,

The last of these military dictators is a guy named Chun Doo-hwan, and he had seized power through a martial law order. This was 1980, and President Yoon would have been a young college student at that time.

And this is not just a sort of dusty chapter of history. This is a lived experience by many people showing up at the office, certainly by many parents, grandparents. They vividly remember the time of curfews, government crackdowns, of a lack of civil liberties. So to see this reemerge in really any country, but particularly here, was quite traumatizing to South Koreans. And what about...

South Koreans' views of their political leaders? Have they seen one get impeached before, or is that notion sort of beyond the pale? Seeing a South Korean president with legal problems is unfortunately the norm, not the exception. If we look at South Korean leaders elected this century, one committed suicide after his family came under investigation.

for corruption charges. The former human rights lawyer took office in 2003, but state prosecutors questioned him last month about allegations that he took more than $6 million in bribes while he was president. The subsequent president went to prison. Former South Korean President Lee Myung-bak has been sentenced to 17 years in prison for corruption, bribery and embezzlement. The president after that

Went to prison? More prison time for the disgraced former president Park Geun-hye. The Seoul Central District Court sentenced the former leader Park to eight years in prison for taking off book funds from the country's intelligence agency and interfering in the 2016 general elections during her administration. And that takes us through 2017 and the left-leaning Moon Jae-in, who

orchestrated diplomacy with North Korea. His family is the target of legal scrutiny. I don't think anyone is expecting at this point that President Moon himself faces prison. Yoon, it certainly looks that way. So this century, if former President Moon Jae-in avoids prison, his post-presidency would be the exception, not the norm.

Does that mean this latest bout of tumult and upheaval is less shocking for South Koreans? Were they sort of, you know, politically prepared for this moment? And thusly, you know, will they get through it? Nonetheless, this was still shocking to South Koreans that, you know, opening up prosecutions...

criticizing your opposition, railroading proposals. That's all normal stuff. Literally summoning an old school move like martial law. This was not on the bingo cards for many South Koreans. So Yoon's decision to press that button was shocking, almost inconceivable to South Korean citizens, given how painful

that part of the country's history is. And given how proud South Koreans, conservative or liberal, are about the transition to democracy and where it stands today. So you're saying that in declaring martial law, Yoon crossed a red line. And, you know, four years ago in the United States, a lot of people thought that

you know, a certain political leader crossed a red line. There were hearings, there were impeachment trials, there were criminal trials. And now here we are four years later, and he's about to, you know, re-enter office with the popular vote. Do you think this is a test of South Korean democracy and South Korean democracy will once again prevail?

I think it certainly is a test of South Korean democracy. I will say, unlike some of the legal case and certainly the political stress of January 6th and Trump's re-election, the South Korean case is a bit more straightforward. This is centered around one action, martial law, that played out very publicly, and

and has actually run through the contours of South Korea's democracy and constitution. Yoon declared martial law. It was voted that he lift.

He did it. He didn't then send tanks to mow down the National Assembly lawmakers or people on the streets. The investigators who sought to arrest President Yun, they didn't show up with tanks themselves and haul Yun away. They're, in effect, trying to make a legal argument to execute the arrest warrant. So, yes, I think...

It is a political crisis, a leadership crisis, and a constitutional crisis in South Korea. I don't know if it's quite yet a democracy crisis for those reasons. You know, we were comparing and contrasting democracies a second ago, and I want to point out a key difference between our democracies, and that is our neighbor to the north here in the United States is going through the democratic motions right now, and

the neighbor to the North in South Korea is an actual dictatorship. So I just wondered, does that put undue pressure on South Korea to soldier through this moment, no pun intended, and get back to business so North Korea can stop taking cheap shots at its democracy? Is there extra pressure to prove that South Korean democracy exists?

can sustain itself? The stakes are very high and beyond cheap shots, you're worried about actual shots coming from North Korea. And I think the leadership vacuum is that creates the high stakes for South Korea sort of in this flux. And I will say, you know, when it is difficult to take one country's political dynamics and transpose it onto another,

But the two major parties here traditionally have differed most greatly on their view of North Korea. The conservatives, Yoon's conservatives, have wanted a very confrontational stance with the North. And Yoon himself has said, peace is achieved through power. And meanwhile, the opposition wants to prioritize diplomacy, engagement with Pyongyang. So beyond...

you know, the leadership vacuum creating a potential opening for North Korea to do something. There's also sort of the prospect of South Korea's leader shifting dramatically how Seoul looks at the Kim Jong-un regime. So the stakes are really high here. Going back to even the original martial law decree, the threat of North Korea and how North Korea might view the situation.

was certainly front of mind for the U.S., for many other countries. In this confusion, might North Korea try to do something that otherwise it would not? Because while the president is commander-in-chief, who's actually calling the shots for the country's military? This was a question that diplomats, journalists, even people within the South Korean government were asking right in the aftermath of this martial law decree and certainly in between impeachment hearings.

impeachment number two and everything in between. Who's actually calling the shots? And we actually did not get an answer for several days. President Yoon is still technically commander in chief until he's ousted from office, but he's not running the country on a day-to-day basis. So we're in this sort of weird spot of South Korean leadership that does give concern to people in the military.

Timothy Martin, Wall Street Journal. Find his work at WSJ.com. Victoria Chamberlain made our show today for Vox.com. Matthew Collette edited. Laura Bullard fact-checked. Andrea Kirsten's daughter and Rob Byers mixed. I'm Sean Ramos for him, and this is Today Explained.