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Unmasking ICE

2025/7/1
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Philip Bump: 作为《华盛顿邮报》的专栏作家,我关注到ICE探员蒙面执法的现象日益普遍,这引发了对执法问责制的担忧。由于探员身份不明,公众难以监督其行为,这削弱了公众与执法部门之间的信任。此外,ICE声称蒙面是为了保护探员免受威胁,但这种说法并不能完全解释蒙面执法的合理性。我认为,蒙面执法可能会导致探员滥用权力,因为他们知道自己可以匿名行事,而无需承担个人责任。这种做法也可能鼓励更多人冒充ICE探员进行犯罪活动,进一步加剧社会的不安全感。我呼吁政府提高执法透明度,确保ICE探员在执法过程中公开身份,以便公众进行监督,并追究不当行为的责任。 Todd Lyons: 作为ICE局长,我坚决捍卫探员蒙面执法的必要性。我们的探员在执行任务时面临着越来越严重的威胁,他们的个人信息被公开,家人也受到骚扰和恐吓。为了保护探员及其家人的安全,我们不得不采取蒙面措施。我理解公众对执法透明度的担忧,但探员的安全必须放在首位。我相信,只要探员在执法过程中遵守法律和规章,蒙面执法并不会影响其公正性。此外,我们也在积极与社区沟通,解释蒙面执法的必要性,并听取公众的意见和建议。 Pam Bondi: 作为前司法部长,我理解公众对执法透明度的期望,但我也认识到执法人员在某些情况下需要采取保护措施。对于ICE探员蒙面执法的问题,我认为应该具体情况具体分析。如果探员面临真实的威胁,蒙面执法可以被视为一种合理的自卫手段。但是,蒙面执法必须受到严格的监督和限制,以防止滥用权力。政府应该制定明确的规章,规范蒙面执法的范围和程序,确保探员在执法过程中尊重公民的权利和自由。

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ICE agents are showing up to immigration raids masked. The Trump administration says it's for the protection of the agents, but how does it impact accountability?

This episode was produced by Hady Mawajdeh and Miles Bryan with help from Peter Balonon-Rosen, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Laura Bullard and Gabrielle Berbey, engineered by Andrea Kristinsdottir and Patrick Boyd, and hosted by Noel King.

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Residents surround federal and Border Patrol agents after an immigrant raid in Bell, CA. Photo by Genaro Molina/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images.

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