Austin Hatch: From Tragedy to Triumph with Grit, Faith, and an Unstoppable Purpose
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged. And today we have a story full of emotion, full of grit, and full of resilience. We're talking to a guy who survived two plane crashes, lost his immediate family, and still earned a scholarship to play Division I basketball at the University of Michigan. His journey from tragedy to triumph is one that you're going to want to hear.

you know, when I think of Austin Hatch, I think of toughness, I think of faith, I think of resiliency. But more importantly, I think of an overall just good human being. Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming the guy, Mr. Austin Hatch. Austin, how you doing today, brother? Thank you very much. I really appreciate the introduction. Thanks for your kind words. Really appreciate it. Nah, absolutely, Austin, man. You know,

I usually start with one question for all my guests on Mick Unplugged, but, you know, I know your story. I've been a follower of yours for over 10 years now. When I ask you, Austin, what's your because? What's that thing that's deeper than your why? What's your purpose today? What would Austin Hatch say his because is? Well, I think it's been my why for going on seven years now, right? Honor her, honor

Do my best to lead our family. We have a two and a half year old son named Hudson. Hudson. Yes, sir. And we have a five month old daughter named Marley. And they're my they're my why now. They're my purpose. They're my because. Right. You know, yeah. I think the big thing about that is remembering what that is for you. We all have a different purpose, a different why, different because. Right. But I think always remembering it is important because when things get really tough,

if it's just for us we'll probably throw in the towel give up but if we remember that greater purpose that why that you know like i think we'll always be willing to do what it takes to overcome so totally agree man and and specifically i wanted to ask you that question man again just knowing your story knowing the triumph the tragedy and everything in between

To survive, and I don't think people understand the magnitude of this, to survive two plane crashes. And in those two plane crashes, the first one you lost your mother, your siblings, the second one you lost your dad and stepmom, right? Like, the magnitude of that, how did Austin Hatch keep going, bro? When most people, that's not really going to be the thing. Like, how did Austin Hatch keep going?

Well, I think after the first one, when I tragically lost my mom, Julie, my sister, Lindsay, little brother, Ian, obviously devastating loss, incomprehensible loss. But my dad led me through that. Right. And I don't know how he did it, to be honest with you, but he kept going. He kept living. And obviously it was a there was some grief and adjustment. And but, you know, we

That wasn't the end of the road for us. It was obviously a terrible loss, a terrible tragedy, terrible circumstance, but we still had life to live and we felt that we could honor our family in heaven by how we loved each other and kept living our life. Life was good and he was remarried a couple years later and had a great blended family and didn't replace what we lost, obviously, but it was great to have a mom and siblings at home again and

And then tragically, the second plane crash happened nine days after I accepted a scholarship to play for Michigan. And I was in a coma for two and a half months. And by the grace of God, I came out of that coma. And I had so many people who were there to support me, right? And who they did out of the goodness of their heart. And I had Coach Beeline, too. He made it clear to me that he was going to honor his commitment to me.

And so I felt that owed it to him, too, right, to make the best recovery that I could and try to get as much of my body back as I could, which obviously I was not really able to get much of anything back. But Coach Daytrude's commitment and I think from a leadership standpoint, that that principle of following through on our commitments all the time, no matter the task, no matter the circumstance, I feel like if we're known as that kind of a person,

who wouldn't want to give everything they have for that kind of a leader? So, but yeah, back to your question though. There wasn't really an option. Well, I mean, there definitely was, but it's like, I had, you know, okay, I wanted, I mean, I'm coming out of a coma right now. I can't walk. Coach Beeline's going to honor his commitment to me and have me a part of the team at Michigan. Okay. Well, I got some work to do. So, you know, it's like, what do they say? Every day you either get better or get worse. Right. So I just try to take every single day,

use that as an opportunity to get a little bit, little bit better, you know, walk one a little bit further, do a little bit more wall pushups, do a little, like give my balance a little, a little bit better. Just one day at a time, just try to get a little bit better. So, yeah, no, I love that. You know, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. And I would say, you know, especially in today's era in today's society, if you're not getting better, you're falling way behind. Right. Awesome. Another question for you, man. So,

You were given a second chance twice, right? Like, how do you stay grounded in gratitude with that? Well, I think gratitude, I'm not going to say that could solve every issue on the planet, but if everybody...

in the world had had a lot more gratitude. And here's the thing. It's not hard to have gratitude, right? It's just a choice to look for the good, look for the, look for the positive, look for the opportunity to focus on the blessings. Right. And it's like, man, if you, because here's what I found, um, it's, it's,

Obviously, we all have reasons to be negative, right? You do. I do. People watching, listening. Everybody has reasons to be negative, right? And we're all human. And of course, there are times when I'm negative. Of course, there are times when you're negative, I'm sure, when things go far away, whatever. But coming back to gratitude, though, it's impossible to be truly grateful and very negative at the same time.

It's impossible, right? Those two emotions can't coexist. You can't be, oh man, what a beautiful family I have. What a great life. What an amazing situation. We're so blessed. How lucky are we? You're still probably dealing with something that's not going great, but you can't really dwell on that when you're focusing more on the good. So I just choose not to ignore the negatives, not to ignore the challenges, but why not spend more time and energy

looking at what's going right, you know, and looking at the positives. Like for me, obviously it's so terrible what I've lost on my whole immediate family and everything. And it's so sad. And I can't, I hope to see him again someday. I think I will. And, but it's like, man, my family here, like, like it doesn't get any better than this.

My wife, Abby, our two kids. Hopefully my wife wants four or five. So I think we're going to compromise and have four or five kids. So it's like, man, how good life is so good here. Obviously that doesn't mean I don't remember my family and don't acknowledge the loss. But it's hard to be overcome by it. Yeah. So I have two friends who lost their,

two different friends, not the same family, who each lost their parents at a young age, both somewhat tragically. And one of them also lost a sibling as well. And they each told me or tell me, Mick, you know, it became really hard for us to want to get close to people because we felt like if we got close to someone, we might lose them. And the hurt of losing someone

family is really tough, like, especially at a younger age when that's traditionally not supposed to happen. Is that something that you went through? Like, getting close to people, like, wanting to be around people? Like, what was that like for you? Or what is that like for you? Yeah, well, for me, kind of the opposite.

It's true for me. I just love people. I love relationships. I'm just so grateful again. And obviously I'm so sad and, you know, what I lost and everything. But, you know, my family still impact impact me to this day. And but, yeah, I'm just like so I love I love. Yeah, not not to just completely shut down your point, but just for me, I never dealt with that.

I just, you know, my, my, my fan, I had so many people like, especially after, well, after both plane crashes, but especially the second one, when I was almost killed, I had so many people out of who, out of the goodness of their heart made sacrifices to be there for me. Right. Like maybe, maybe, maybe it gave them some gratification to like, Oh yeah, you know, I want to be here for this guy. Austin went through a terrible tragedy. I want to make sure I'm there for him. Make sure he knows I'm there for him. Maybe that, maybe that made them feel good, but,

It was more for me. Right. And I'm just like, man, like people that are willing to invest their time and give of their, you know, their talents and energy. And it's like, yeah, I mean, I just, I love, I love people and I am so appreciative of everybody, uh,

in any area of life who's had a role in my recovery, in my life today. Like I had so many, like it took a village, you know, the old saying, it takes a village, right? Like for me, especially after the second plane crash, after both plane crashes, but the first one I had my dad there, right?

The second one I didn't and I had extended family, friends. Unfortunately, my store was pretty public for better or worse. So I'm not gonna say I had millions of people praying for me, but I think I had a lot of people praying for me. Yeah. So it's like, and I'm just saying again, I'm so grateful and I love building friendships. McCrispy strips are now at McDonald's. I hope you're ready for the most dippable chicken in McDonald's history.

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Austin had a basketball scholarship to Michigan, right? That means... And Austin is from Indiana.

Like some folks would say that's the hoops capital of the world. I'm a Carolina guy. So, you know, I'm a little biased to that. But man, so let's talk about Austin the Hooper for a minute because I don't want people to forget that story either, man. So growing up in Indiana, one of the top high school players in the country, definitely in Indiana, man. So like, let's go through high school. I think what your junior year, you average what 23, 24, 25.

So, well, so I got the second plane crash happened after my sophomore year of high school. Yeah. So, um, freshman year was okay. Didn't, you know, maybe, you know, maybe 18, 18 points.

Just okay. 18 as a freshman in Indiana. I think sophomore year was a little better. Yeah. 24 and 10 or something. There you go. 24, sophomore year. Okay. I remember the stats. There you go. Had a good game. Coach Beeline came to see me play against a rival school from across town who we'd never beaten. And, you know, it was a packed gym, standing room only. And, yeah.

Bishop Lewis was the name of the school. Catholic school from across town. He had a pretty good game. I think I had 30 and 16, I think. A casual 30 and 16. I like it. He wanted to see two years of good grades to prove that I could handle the coursework at Michigan. He got my transfer here about three

after the semester and then saw that, he's like, cool, let's bring him to Michigan. And yeah, man, it was a dream come true. Dream come true. Were there any other schools you thought about going other than University of North Carolina? I knew that was number one on your list. Yeah. But outside of UNC. Yeah. Yeah. Well, University of Virginia, Coach Tony Bennett, great guy, took a couple visits there. Yeah. Great guy. Yeah.

maybe went to Notre Dame a couple times okay I wasn't interested in I wasn't good enough to go to Duke oh you were good enough you just made a smart choice and not decided to go there yeah like I said yeah I got went to camp a few few years and I got to know coach Collins played a little open gym with him a little bit and he actually wrote me a letter um

after the the second plane accident um and um it was really touching that he did and he was like he was like yeah yeah I was excited to recruit you but then yeah then you jumped at that Michigan offer but so um yeah I don't I don't think I was I wasn't good enough to play for Duke but I think I think um I think I think I could have been okay in Michigan I could have been okay

Yeah, no, for sure, man. So what did it mean to you for Coach Beeline to honor the scholarship that he had given you after the crash, after the second crash? One of the things that I talk about, so I speak for a living now, right, which maybe we'll talk about more in a minute. I talk about integrity and the way I define integrity, of course, is doing the right thing when no one's looking. Very important, obviously. Yeah.

But I think it's also following through on our commitments, even when circumstances change, or I should say, especially when circumstances change. Right. So as, as I mentioned earlier, so June 15th, 2011, I think I'm, you know, coach thinks I'm going to be able to help the team on the court at Michigan, my scoring and rebounding, playing defense, things like that. Y'all can make a scholarship dream come true. We committed to each other that day. A scholarship at Michigan over four years is about a million bucks, right?

More or less. And that second plant crash happened nine days later. I might not survive. I come out of a coma. Can't walk. Might never walk ever again. I'm in a wheelchair, right? Comes to see me. And he basically said, I can't wait to have you on my team someday. Wow. Whenever you ever come play for me at Michigan, man, I can't wait to coach you. So his father and his commitment didn't depend on the circumstance, you know? And I'm like, that's like, so Coach Beeline changed my life forever, right? Yeah.

He doesn't follow through on the scholarship. I don't go to Michigan. I don't, you know, he doesn't follow through on the scholarship offer. I don't go to Michigan. Don't meet my wife. We don't have our kids. I don't, I don't get the education there. I don't, you know, so like he changed my life and for all, for anyone listening, maybe, maybe your commitment following through on it is not going to change somebody's life, but maybe it does. Maybe it will.

Right. You don't know. I mean, it could and it may seem small to you, but it's probably big to them. The impact. Yeah. So what I what my thing is, I think I think. So here's the thing, though. A lot of people make commitments every day. Right. Everybody does. But not everybody follows through on every commitment, especially when the circumstances change. You know, so so I think following through on our commitments when there's a change in circumstance is doing a common thing in an uncommon way.

and doing the common things in an uncommon way, I think it's going to lead people better than we found them. That's really the goal. That's my goal, at least. My goal is I just try to lead people just a little bit better than I found them, wherever I go. So quick story. So my dad, my hero, I miss him every day, obviously. My whole family, of course, but learned so much from my dad. Still learning from him to this day. He would drive carpool two days a week on Wednesday and Friday from 2005 to the spring of 2011.

before I could drive myself to school. We'd stop at this McDonald's. I'm going to pick up my buddy and his little sister at their house. And instead of just getting the food and driving away, my dad would take an extra two or three seconds to interact with the guy at the pickup window. Josiah was his name, who would give us our food. And I would just take two or three seconds and say, "Appreciation, been praying for you and your family. Make it a great day. Look forward to seeing you next time." Very small. A family friend of mine told me last summer that that cashier from McDonald's on Dupont Road in Fort Wayne

Josiah, he was, Josiah was at my parents' funeral after my dad and second mom died in the second plane crash. He was at their funeral, right? And maybe he probably, maybe he would have gone to anybody, any person that came to McDonald's regularly. Maybe he would have gone to all their funerals. Probably would have. But I think it, I think he, cause he felt he should honor my dad's life and his legacy because my dad left him a little bit better than he found him by doing a common thing in an uncommon way. So, yeah.

I think we can all do that. We can all do that. I love it. I love it, man. So let's go from Michigan to speaking. But in between speaking, you had a corporate job at Domino's, right? And you created something that I've been following and implementing for a while now, your grit framework. Let's talk to the viewers and listeners about Austin Hatch's grit framework, man.

Yeah. So, um, I think a lot of our goal, a lot of achieving our goals in life, obviously we need to rely on other people for support and help and other things have to happen to, you know, the market's gotta be in, you know, all there's always other business stuff, but I think, I think it all comes down to grit. I think it all comes down to grit and, um,

Angela Duckworth, really smart lady at the Wharton Business School, University of Pennsylvania. My friend, Wharton's not Michigan, but it's a pretty good school, obviously. Not North Carolina either. Yeah, it's not UNC, but you know. Yeah, whatever. She says that Grit's passion and perseverance for the long-term vision, for your long-term goals. That's true. I think Grit does apply to the long-term. For me, I think about my journey going from a coma to playing for Michigan. That's a long-term goal.

Right. That's like going from you're trying to get to the going from the first floor to the top of the Empire State Building. And you got to take the stairs. It takes grit to get there. That's long term. That's, you know, whatever. It's a couple hundred flights of stairs or whatever. It takes grit to get there. But for me, grit was every day because how could I expect to achieve the long term goal if I wasn't winning one day at a time? So I think it's a little more specific than just hard work for the long term goal. So it's four letters, four key components to it.

But first and foremost, I think it's driven by a greater purpose. I think we need to be driven by something bigger than ourselves. Faith, family, friends, teammates, colleagues, your organization, you're part of whatever your purpose is. I just think we got to be driven by something bigger than ourselves.

That'll drive us just to be willing, just to be willing because it was just for us. It'd be nice if I overcame this challenge or bounce back from this adversity, but it's only really for me. So it's going to require too much time and effort and sacrifice. I'm not sure it's worth it. Right. But if it's for a greater purpose, whatever that is for you,

I think we're always going to be willing. We're always going to be willing to do what it takes. So purpose drives grit, the G, the growth mindset. Adversity is opportunity. There's no opportunity in the adversity itself, right? Nobody grows from losing a game in sports. Nobody grows from losing a deal in business or having a tough week or quarter or year. Nobody grows from that. But we grow by how we choose to respond.

It's a choice to look for the opportunity. It's a choice to have the growth mindset. And the route is that a lot of people choose to have the victim mindset. You can choose that. More people choose that, though. You know, I didn't deserve this. How much easier would life or business be if conditions were good or whatever? If my family was good, why are they making my life so difficult? Okay. Well, you could have that mindset, but why not choose a growth mindset? Choose to look for the opportunity. So the R is the decision to be resilient.

And I don't think you're resilient if you overcome your challenges. I think overcoming challenges and adversity is a result of being resilient. I think you're resilient if you take action, absolutely massive action in the face of challenge and adversity. My dad, he always said, go big or go home, man. Go big or go home. And that's what resilience is to me.

like i said you're not resilient if you overcome your challenges and achieve your goals i think you're resilient if you go big in the face of adversity if you take massive action so the eye the eyes integrity of course you know integrity is as i said earlier going about our business the right way um doing the right thing and no one's looking obviously very important yeah but in addition to that i think it's following through on our commitments especially when circumstances change right and

people giving people our word and staying true to that. Like I said, with coach beeline, our, we committed to each other, June 15th. He just gave me his word. There's not nothing signed, no documents or anything. He just said, awesome. I want to have you on my team. So I want to have you on my team at Michigan. And then I said, coach, I'd love to come play for you. Like literally the conversation was two minutes.

Wow. Like there was nothing formal, nothing, nothing signed, nothing that made him feel like he was not legally obligated to do anything. But he I couldn't I came out of the coma after the second plane crash, couldn't walk, probably never going to be able to play again. At least not the way that I that he would need me to play to help the team. But he said, yeah, I gave him my word. So it was a no brainer.

This is what we do. We just follow through on our commitments at Michigan. So I think, again, if we can all do that, we can all do that. So last letter of grits, T. T's the team first mentality. The team first mentality. So as I said, I was blessed to be a part of the team at Michigan four years. And I actually put myself in the record books there, believe it or not. I'm the all-time lowest scoring full scholarship athlete in program history at Michigan. I scored one point in four years.

1.4 years, right? I'm definitely the all-time lowest scoring full scholarship athlete, but I was on the team, so I had a role, right? Be a great teammate, check balls in practice, help with drills, rebound and shoot on before games, unload luggers on road trips, work hard every day to be the best that I could be. And here's what I learned. So my wife was a three-time All-American volleyball player at Michigan. She was the best on her team three of the four years. Her freshman year, there was an All-American team

setter a senior all-american who was she was the best that year but but sophomore junior senior year my wife abby was the best on her team i was not obviously even though i wasn't the best on the team i could be my best for the team right i think we can all do that again we may not be the ceo or team captain or president or head headmaster principal whatever we may not be the best on the team we may not be the most important person on the team

but we can all make the effort every day to be our best for the team. So just, it's a very subtle difference, best on the team versus best for the team. So again, I think if we can all just make the effort every day to be the best that we can be for the team, I think the team's going to win. I love that brother. I just wrote that quote down, man. Like that, that parallels so much, not just in corporate world, like you said, but in leadership too, like understanding that as a leader, right? Like,

It's not about you. It's about doing what's best for others. And that's something that I speak about. And I know you do a lot with leadership and what you do as well. I want to go back to something you said early on about mindset, man. And, you know, I'm a big believer in mindset, but also a bigger believer in action and impact behind the mindset. But when you think of mindset,

What are some of the daily habits or mental disciplines that the viewers and listeners need to start putting into practice? McCrispy strips are now at McDonald's. I hope you're ready for the most dippable chicken in McDonald's history.

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Start with some research, talk to the community, and most importantly, don't be afraid to ask your doctor questions. You might find results that speak for themselves. That's how I landed on Kesimpta. Ask your doctor if Kesimpta, Ofatumumab, could be right for you. You can check out the details at kesimpta.com.

Summer's here. More light, more heat, and more to do. The one thing you don't want to do is spend it stuck in the kitchen. And that is why I use Factor. These meals are chef-made, dietician-approved, and ready in just two minutes. They show up fresh, never frozen, and packed with real flavor.

I've been loving the protein plus meals, the sun-dried tomato chicken, barbecue shredded beef. It's fire. It keeps me fueled and focused no matter how busy the day gets. Factor gives you over 45 meals a week to choose from. Calorie smart, keto, vegan, whatever your goals are, they've got the options. They've got your whole day covered too. Breakfast, lunches, dinners, even snacks and desserts. It's simple. If you want to eat well and actually enjoy your summer, Factor.

is the move. I use it and you should too. Get started at factormills.com slash mick50off and use the code mick50off to get 50% off plus free shipping on your first box. That's code m-i-c-k 5-0 off at factormills.com slash mick50off for 50% off plus free shipping. I think it's, you know, for me and my goal, my goal is to build every day.

Build the business, build my family, build my marriage, build my, like just build, just grow. And, and I think I'll be totally honest with you. I don't have a checklist of, you know, three or four things that I go through every single day to make sure I do that. But it's just, it's just attacking life with a, with a, with a sense of urgency, the sense of urgency, because here's what, here's what I've learned. Look, I'm only 30. I mean, I don't have that much experience in business or life yet or family or anything.

But the most you think back to sports, too, right? Like the most the most urgent person usually wins. Usually. Right. Like if I think back in my own life, it's like, man, like what? Like if you if you say winning is achieving a goal, that's what that's a win.

And most of the times that I've won, it's because I really wanted it. I had some urgency to it, right? And it's like, I think about my life now. It's like, as a dad, I want to attack my role as a dad with some urgency. I want to attack my role as a husband with some urgency. I want to attack my role as the leader and provider of my family with some urgency. I want to attack my business with a sense of urgency. Not like...

You got to be a little patient at times, you know, trust the process. Now everybody, you know, well, everybody says, let the process, you know, work itself out. But I'm not trying to like, like if something could take five weeks, I'm not trying to, I want to do it in one week. Yeah. I want to attack with some urgency, you know? And like, maybe, maybe, maybe I'll get, maybe I'll get, we can get our family where we want, where we want it to be in, in 10 years. I don't want to wait 10 years. Yeah. I want to like be there like forever.

sooner than that. So I think attacking life with the sense of urgency. And I think that applies differently for all of us in different ways, but I think that's a good way to live. Good way to live. For sure. What's one principle that you live by today? So for me and my family, there's three things that, and obviously our kids are really young. They don't understand this yet. Just for us, honor God, respect everyone,

leave things in people better than you found them. That's how we do it. And I'm like, obviously the faith is a big part of my family. But going back to that thing that I said about integrity, just trying to leave people everywhere you go, just trying to leave them a little bit better than you found them, right? I definitely don't do that all the time with everybody I ever interact with in the world. But like, man, you know what? If you can, at the end of the day,

If you can look back on your day, and this is kind of a leadership self-assessment too. If you think about it, like, who did I impact today? The more specific about that you can be, the better. Whether it was my, obviously, you know, your family probably, but maybe even beyond that, if you had a call with someone, if you closed the deal, if you had an opportunity to, you know, collaborate with somebody else, think just who did I impact today? And how will I be remembered?

by the people that I work with today? Who did it impact and how will I be remembered? And I think if you can answer both of those questions in the positive sense, if you can say, yeah, I impacted these people. Well, it's not really up to us whether to say whether I impacted them, but you kind of feel it, right? If you think, and obviously it's not up to us to say, yeah, I left you better than I found you. I definitely did. Like, of course that's not us, but it's not on us to say that. But if you can think in your mind, right?

If you can honestly give yourself a good grade on that, if you can honestly tell yourself, yeah, I left some people better than I found them today. Love it. If you can string a lot of days like that together, man, I think you're going to be in a good place. I think you're going to be in a good place. I love it, man. I love it. All right, Austin, you're a Michigan guy. I'm a Carolina guy. We're going to go starting five, all-time. You're all-time Michigan starting five against my all-time Carolina starting five. Who you got is your starting five.

At Michigan. All time. Okay. So you could obviously go back to, you know, the Kazzy Russell, but that was before my time. I never saw him play. I know he's good. Okay. So we're going to do it. People that we saw play. Is that going to be the caveat? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. Got it. Okay. So I'm going to say Trey Burke. Okay. Yep. Trey Burke point guard. I'm going to say, Hmm.

I think Karis Levert. Okay. Two guards. Okay. My friend Karis played, yeah. You could do, gosh, who could you do? Who could be three, four? Well, yeah, because now I'm thinking Trae Burke, Karis, let's go. I think Tim Hardaway could play the three. He's kind of a two. He could play a three. Yeah, he's tall. Yeah, he's got a three. He could play three. Okay.

Maybe, no, I'm going to scratch that. I'm going to do Trae Burke. Okay. Trae Burke, Karras, Tim. Let's go Mo Wagner. Okay. At the four. My friend Mo. I never saw Chris Webber play, but I think he was good at the five. Maybe Coach Howard is in there too somewhere. Maybe Juwan Howard's in there too. Juwan Howard at the five. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So no Jalen Rose, no C-Web. Okay. Okay.

But you didn't see them play, so I got it. Yeah. So you got Michael Jordan in here somewhere. Oh, yeah. So I'll give you... So if we're going... Guys that we saw play at Carolina, that I saw play. So I'm going to give you... Yeah, my point guard is... I have so many options of point guard. But I'm going to go to the OG...

Kenny Smith. Yeah. Kenny the Jet Smith, yeah. Kenny the Jet Smith. Yeah. So I've won the point guard position. You think Kenny the Jet or, yeah? I'm messing with you. We'll let the listeners and viewers tell us who won this matchup. So I got Kenny Smith at the one, at the point. I got Jordan at the two. At the three, I'm going to give you Vince Carter. At the four, I'm going to give you Tyler Hansbrough. Yeah. Yeah.

Right? At the five, I got something special for you. So at the five, I got someone from Indiana. And you talk about grit. We called him Big Grits. So Eric Montross. Luke Zeller. Eric Montross. It's before your time. Big Grits, Eric Montross. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't there? Tyler Zeller was there. Tyler. It was Tyler. Luke was another name. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, so we'll let the fan, we'll let the viewers and listeners say who's all time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, so, so yeah, you might have me in the one. Yeah. Obviously Michael, you have me in the two. Who's your three? Vince Carter. Yeah. Yeah. Tyler Hansborough. Yeah. Moe versus Moe versus, um,

Jawan Howard. That's Jawan Howard versus Big Grits, Eric Montross. I'll give... Yeah. I'll give you one matchup, but they did it in the championship game and we walked away. Well, well, well, well, well, well. Another thing though, I never saw Coach Howard play when I was... I mean, I was super young. Yeah. I mean, I was born in 94. So...

- Yeah. - That was my bad, right? - That was the senior year, yeah. That was the senior year at Michigan. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Okay. Or junior year at Michigan, my bad. Okay.

I do think we won. I do think you guys struggled scoring with us because we're a fast-paced up-and-down-the-court team. We got Jordan and Vince catching alley-oops all day. Tyler Hansbro in the second half is just going to say, give me the ball and dominate. Eric Montross is sending everything back to half-court, blocking every shot. Okay. Well, you know what? Maybe we'll... Okay. How about this, though? How about this, though? Post-2010...

Ooh. Ooh. Yeah. Because all the good guys that I know are like, like, yeah. Trey, Tim, Karis,

And the game changed, right? There's not really a five post-2010. When I grew up in the 80s and 90s where you had a dominant center that just got in the block and stayed there, like now center is a point guard almost. Yeah, well, not yet. Well, now if you're 6'10 plus and you can't shoot a three, you're probably not going to play. Right, exactly. It's just crazy. Exactly. Yeah, we got to come back to post-2010.

2010. I'm still going to win the point guard. Point guards, that's what we do. Roy Williams was that guy with the point guard. But you probably got me in some other spots. You probably got me in some other spots. For sure. Appreciate you having me on, man. Great to spend some time with you. Enjoy the conversation. Absolutely, man. I look forward to seeing it whenever it's

published or released. Oh, for sure. And we're going to get some one-on-one time too, man. I've got some events coming up. I'm going to get with Rose over at Players for Good and probably get you to speak at at least one of my events this fall. Oh, awesome. Definitely going to do that. If you could leave the listeners and viewers with one thing, man, what would that be? Part of it, honoring my dad's legacy for me, right? Do the common things in an uncommon way.

And try to lead people in places a little better than you found them. Wherever we go. I love it, man. I love it. Where can people follow and find you? So I'm on LinkedIn. Just Austin Hatch. I mean, I can send you my contact info or you can, anybody can email me austin at austin hyphen hatch.com.

is my email. I would love to hear from anybody. I would love an opportunity to share my story and message about grit and thriving in the midst of adversity. If there's anything else that I can do to serve or contribute in any way, don't hesitate to reach out.

You got it. Awesome, brother. I appreciate you spending some time with me today. Honored to talk with you and hear more about you, man. Like, so very touching. Just honored that you spent some time with me today, brother. No, I appreciate you having me, man. Thanks. Thanks for the time. Look forward to staying in touch. And we'd love to an opportunity to collaborate sometime in the future. You got it. And for all the viewers and listeners, remember your because is your superpower. Go unleash it.

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