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What's up everyone? It's Chicks in the Office with Rhea and Fran giving you that Friday energy on a Wednesday. It's Fran here today. It's always funny when I do the intro. I wonder if it's a jump scare for people. Kelly is here with me today.

We do not have Rhea, sadly. She is not feeling well. So Kelly is here. But once again, guys, Chicks in the Office is presented by Macy's. Right now, Macy's has this awesome...

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to the woman who was working the section in the store because when we were walking around looking, she came right up to us and was like, because we were filming too, and she was like, this is exclusive to Macy's. Make sure you're saying that. And I was like, you know what? Get this lady a raise. I will make sure that we do say this is exclusive to Macy's. It's all really, really cute stuff. So you can shop now at Macy's.com or visit your local Macy's. Hey, Kelly. How are you doing? Hey, Fran. Fran.

Good. I feel like it's been a while. It's been a while for us to do a show together. Yeah. Because, you know, like wedding stuff. I feel like you filled in a lot for me. So like then you were obviously with Rhea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's the two of us. It's fun.

fabulous. I did Taylor Watch today too, so I just have a whole afternoon of Mariano girls. That's just all you really... Can't ask for anything better. It's just surrounded by us. Yes, which I love. You know I love that. I love that. It makes me feel like my own family's here, which is fabulous. How are you doing? Great. How's married life? Great. Oh, it's lovely. Isn't it fabulous? Yeah. Do you know that I... I forget if I told you when we were in Nashville, Joe was saying to me the whole time, he was like... First of all, every time we were like

sitting off to the side, he'd be like, just look at her. Look how beautiful she is every time about you. And then he'd be like, I'm just so glad we're married. I'm just so glad we're married. He must have said it 25,000 times. Like, I'm just so glad we're married and look at my beautiful wife. And so that was lovely to see. That is very sweet. I will say there was a, like coming home, it's the, into the wedding planning and,

you know plans a proposal does the whole thing we're planning the wedding we're doing everything for that get married honeymoon you come home and then you're like wow like now you can kind of just like you can just chill out and just exist and be like excited about just being married absolutely oh fabulous that was that was nice we had such a fun time in Nashville

That was a really, really good time. Yeah, the whole trip was really fun. More fun than I think I anticipated having. Not that I didn't think I was going to have fun, but I've been to Nashville. I know the vibe. I know the whole thing. And obviously, like, love going to you guys' shows. But once you go to the bar, it's like, all right, you have a couple drinks and whatever. We both were cutting a fucking rug the entire time. It was a really good time. I was, like, prepared to be dragged out of there.

I was like, I'm not leaving. Yeah. Like if people were starting to drop, I was like, I'm staying. No. And I'm like that where I won't leave until the last person's going. I never know when to go home. That's one of my faults. But it's like...

Yeah, it was a really good time. It was good weather. It was a good show. I love when we can all get together like that too and just have a fun casual moment. I heard you guys had a lot of fun with Trent in Boston too. We did. I had a lot of fun with that. We did. How is Trent? He's non-existent in our lives now. No, I know. He was a great guy.

Yeah, well, we talked about that a lot on stage, I will say. Oh, did you? But it was funny because our Boston show, we were on stage for almost like two and a half hours. Oh, shit. And I think time got away with us a little bit because we did bring Trent on stage. Of course, yeah. It was...

Our intro and then we had Trent do his surprise Santa entrance and he came on stage and then we were talking for a while and we were talking about him not being around as much and now he's in Florida and we don't get to see him and he doesn't answer our texts and the whole thing. And I keep my phone down.

on stage solely also like for time checks and whatnot and I like peeked and looked and I was like oh Trent like not to not to kick you off stage here but show we gotta we gotta keep the show moving we gotta go you gotta get out of here we gotta we gotta keep moving here yeah yeah but no he's he we did have a lot of fun he seems he

He seems like he's having a lovely time living in Florida. I bet he is. What's not to like, really? What is not to like? I'm happy for him. We joke around. We give Trent shit, but I'm happy for him. But I do miss our... He's got a nice permanent tan now, you know? Oh my God, I know. I think I'm most jealous of that. Anybody that ends up moving to Florida, I'm like, all right, well, now you're perfect skin forever. It's so crazy because we now not only like...

Rhi and I sometimes live in our own world of, oh my God, I just got married, she's getting married. We're like, growing up, but then you see the outside and think about everybody else and there's a lot of, there's a lot of happy moments. There's a lot going on right now, especially in the Barstool world.

I know, I know. In terms of growing up. Seriously, the video, I don't know if everyone listening has seen it, but you can see it on the Viva La Stool, like the socials and stuff. And I believe, you know, foreplay. But we have a...

We have like an in-house band. I don't know if people realize that at Barstool. Called Pup Punk. Pup Punk. Yeah. And Maddie's looking at me. She's like, I had no clue. You guys didn't know this? Oh my God. We have a band. Well, you're about to love it. They're amazing. Let me tell you about it. It's Robbie Fox, Roan, Frankie Borelli, Nick Hamilton. Nick Hamilton. Caroline. Caroline. PFT. PFT. PFT.

Caroline has the voice of an angel. She's a beautiful singer. She has a beautiful singing voice. So their whole thing is that they cover punk rock songs. Yeah, like late 90s, early 2000s. Yeah, yeah. That whole vibe. So think like Frankie sings Freebird at one point. They do Green Day. They do a lot of different songs. And it totally 100% started as more of a fun ha-ha joke and then became really serious and they actually do concerts. They're on Spotify. They have a couple songs. They have some originals. They're great. Punk. Punk.

We already know like just musically they're all actually very very talented. Yes. And they posted a video from a rehearsal session that they had a few weeks ago when they were starting to like make some announcements and Frankie Borelli is having a baby and Roan is having a baby. Twins. Yes. He's having twins. That we are now aware of but the video was like Frankie revealing to everybody that he's going to be a dad in April and

And everyone like freaks out. It's so cute. They're all excited. And then an hour later, still in the rehearsal session, Rowan's like,

Yeah, I mean, I don't know, because Frankie's line was, I don't know what I'm more nervous for this show or becoming a dad in April. And like an hour later, Ron goes, I don't know what I'm more nervous for. Or being a dad in April, like they're on the same timeline. And they all freak out. They're like, oh my God. And then he's like, and I'm having twins. Frankie like almost falls over. I know, I know. It's such a wholesome moment. It's so exciting.

It's so nice. Babies. So exciting. It's just good stuff. I have I have I am blessed enough to have a million babies in my life right now. Every single one of my friends either has had a baby or is pregnant right now or just had a baby or whatever. So I have like 10 nieces and nephews at the moment. But but so we heard about Frankie at dinner. We went to like a random dinner and Frankie was in town and we were just like, let's go grab some food.

him and eat and he came with us and it was like oh how fun hadn't seen him in forever and he was like by the way I've got I've got news and we were like oh what and he said what it was and I for some reason was not expecting it I screamed bloody murder in the restaurant I went what like in the middle of a nice restaurant like everybody was like what the

People were not loving it. But I was so shocked, so excited. And then same with Rowan. Another random dinner. He was like, hey, by the way, after a couple drinks, by the way, this is what's going on. Can't believe it. It's just crazy. It's also weird to see twins as nuts. Twin boys, too. It's weird to...

to see everyone it's not weird I shouldn't say that's not the right word but it's it's exciting and so different to see everyone here starting to have those moments because I feel like I've had I have other friends who had those moments or are in the middle of having them and it's kind of like on the way out and so it's almost like ushering in a whole new thing right it's just it's just good vibes all around for everybody whenever whenever stuff like that's going on

There's always something to talk about. There's always something to get excited about. Totally. Parties and celebrations and excuses to have glasses of champagne. Exactly. I know we both are always looking for an excuse to have a glass of champagne. Oh, 100%. My friends are... It's mixed, which is really nice. Yeah. More of Joe's side are starting to have kids and...

My close friends, we had a couple weddings this year, but we're not fully at baby stage yet. Cherish the time. Cherish the time. We have some thoughts about some, you know, shortly. But, no, I...

There are moments where I'm like, you get like the bouts of baby fever and then I'm just like, okay, I need a dog. Exactly, yeah. If you have baby fever right now, you just need a dog. But it really is true. It's like dominoes. Once the first person falls, it goes on like that. And it's not that...

I don't know if it's like a, it happens by coincidence or if it just makes people more confident to move forward in their life because someone they know is already in the middle of doing it. So it just always goes like that. But how exciting, you know, to have. I think it's like, and I mean this in the nicest way possible. Yeah, yeah. But I think there's also sometimes when you see certain people that like you either grew up with or like whatever, when they're like, because it's just sometimes, starting a family can feel different

and daunting and like am I ready for that and then you see sometimes you see people you grew up with or whoever and I'm like look at their beautiful family who would have thought yeah exactly right you're like oh that freak has a good

If he has a good family, I'm going to be fine. If they can do it, I'm going to be great. 100%. Yes. 100%. Right. All you need is a little confidence. And if you're like, right, this guy down the street is like, you know, oh, wow, his kids are geniuses. Clearly, I could be okay here. Well evolved. Great. You know, so...

For sure. No, it's exciting. And it's that time of year, like around the holidays, I feel like is always a big announcement time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because all the family gets together. Yeah, exactly. Nobody feels left out about like, you know, that's also where it's so tough. And I know that a lot of my friends have struggled with this, like announcing their pregnancies in one way or another. Yeah.

but like telling parents if they don't live by both parents. And I have a bunch of friends who live all over the country and they all love it, but they don't necessarily live in the same places as either of their parents. And so then it's like, well, do I tell, which parents do I tell first? Are they ever going to compare notes? Are they going to feel salty about it? Like it's always that kind of worry for some reason. But I would think that like people just be excited about the news. You know what I mean? Like you don't worry about those small parts. Yeah.

Totally. But yeah, I agree. I agree. Exciting stuff. Yeah, but right. So anyway, my point of even saying all that is that holidays are a great time to get everybody together and just get it all done at once. And nobody's feelings are hurt because everybody found out at the same time. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, yeah, it's always fun to like have those Christmas events and Christmas parties. My friends do a holiday fancy drinks party.

Wait I saw that did you just do it recently So yeah that was like our mini version Because not all of us are here right now So it's actually tomorrow Fun It's you know we get dressed up we go to the Upper East Side go get some martinis Let's go I'm doing it that's the best That sounds right up my alley My friends and I are doing a little Cooking class on Friday We've done a cooking class before we like made pasta We did like a pasta making class

I think this one might also be Italian food, but maybe Christmas themed. And so we're doing that. We're doing that. And then going back to my one friend's house for cocktails and snacks. So that'll be lovely. It's just a good time to get with family and friends, you know? That it is. It really is. That it is. I'm like, I don't know what I did, but I am like fighting for my, you know, now I've just been talking a lot about jokingly,

and whatnot, but I... Always. It's literally all I can talk about these days. I fucking slept wrong on my shoulder or something. I don't know what I did. I'm a side sleeper, which I know is bad. Same. But I must have slept weird and my shoulder fucking kills. I was like...

ah, ah, like trying to like, I'm like, what the hell did I do? I went to, I went to my first, I went to one frigging core power yoga class last week and was sore and was fine. So I'm like, it can't be from that because now it's Tuesday, a week later. It's like, I'm, it's not that. I was like, I must've just literally subweared on my shoulder and it's. Maybe you were on it like all night on the same thing. I'm a side sleeper and I, and my shoulders, this whole area of my body is so fucked up. Like, I don't know how to, I don't know how to fix

I don't know how to retrain myself because I can't on my back. I'm so uncomfortable on my back. I had a terrible night's sleep because I was trying to sleep on my back because I literally could not turn on my side because my shoulder hurts. The worst. I just like kept waking up being like, oh my God. Like I just think my body was waking myself up to be like, okay, turn over. I was like, I can't.

No, it's like you really can't. I had a... That is all I talk about lately is how like suddenly my bones are so brittle and like I can't even stand up out of a chair without my knees cracking. It's like I'm a thousand years old in one day. Like when did this happen? I'm not sure. I can't. But it's a nightmare. But I know for those who are watching Surviving Barstool, me and Rhea crushing it, but...

There was a point early on when we were doing one of the first episodes, we do a challenge where we use a slingshot. Yeah. And I was a slingshot person because I'd used it before. So I knew. You fucking crushed it. Thank you so much. But I knew how to do it and I knew what kind of aim you needed and what kind of power you needed. But I like was putting my whole

body on the ground. You were completely horizontal. I was really into it. And you know, you want to win. I'm very competitive. But in doing that, something about my neck right here, I don't know what I did in that moment. And in the moment, I was completely fine. Straight adrenaline. Didn't feel anything. Whatever. The second it ended, I'm jumping around. I'm celebrating. All of a sudden, it's on

And I was like, oh, my God. And so for two days, like the rest of that day and the following day, it was I could barely move. I was like, oh, my God, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to like drop out of this competition. Yeah. Insane. And then I took just a bunch of a leave and then I was OK. But I it's like never in my life have I had like an issue like that. I was like, I'm doing is this. Yeah. What am I? You know, how could it be so bad?

I did solid porn preparation for this. It's all connected. The hell? It is all connected. And so, yeah, that was a, although everybody on that cast is on the older side, most people on that cast are on the older side, so everybody was hurting. Everybody was hurting, like, throughout the whole time. Yeah, I was talking to Rhea about it on Monday of just being like, you know, you guys, some of these physical things

like even just the jousting, like everybody is legitimately getting hurt. I fucking hated the jousting. Hated it. And no, one of my favorite things was, was Whitney last week was talking about that challenge with the slingshots. He's like, I'm, I look over, Kelly's completely on the ground. She's got the power. I'm like, I got no power. He's like,

He was crazy. Well, that was the thing. Like, I only knew that you really had to yank that because I had done it before. And I'm sure somebody else could have done it. But I wanted the shine. And I knew I could do it. Right. So it worked out. And you nailed it. Thank you. Thank you. But yeah, I ripped up my shoulder in the process. Now sleeping, whatever. Yeah. No, it's just that. We're going to have to start drinking more milk, I guess. Does that help at this point in life? If I start drinking whole milk again? Ugh. I don't know. I don't know. Did your parents used to force you to drink whole milk all the time? No.

Like We had our choice Oh that's nice Yeah No choices in my house We were We were like a Like a 1% Oh interesting Okay okay We switched to that Much later in life But my whole It was whole milk You know It's for your bones You have to drink it Even if you're eating spaghetti Like gross You know No I I'll still drink it But Like a big

We're not really a big milk family. A big milk fam. Granted, I... A big milk fam. Like I talk about this all the time, my memory is shit. So like... Yeah. You could call my mom and she'd be like, what? You drank milk till you were 12. Yeah, it's like, what are you talking about? Like, I don't know. But from what I recall, it was not... Not... I...

At the very least, it sounds like no long-lasting milk trauma. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Definitely was like the kid that wanted all the drinks that were not good for you. Of course. You know. Sugary. The high sugary juices and chocomilk and all those. Gatorade rain. That was my favorite shit. I loved Gatorade rain. Used to mix it with Malibu rum. You know what I used to love to have that I feel like I rarely see anymore is, shit, what's it called? It's like the sparkling...

Orange. Orangina? Ooh, like Sunkissed or whatever? Yeah, but it was in those...

I think you're right. Orangina. Orangina, yeah. It's like a glass bottle. It was in the bottles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that felt cool because it was like, am I drinking a beer or a wine cooler? No, I'm just drinking Orangina. Yes. Love it. Yep, yep. I just, I love a carbonation. Those felt fancy. I love a bubble. Yeah, so do I. And Gia's the opposite. She is no carbonation. No. Nothing of her whole life. Sodas. My brother's that way too. My brother does not like soda, does not like carbonated anything. Nope, nope.

Sparkling water is just, you know, everything. It's like, no. Yeah. I got a fridge full of sparkling water. I do the whole thing. I'm fully addicted to bubbles. Love a sparkling water. I love it. Yeah. I'm with you on that. Okay. Let's jump into some topics. We're going to do topics. We have voicemails as well for our pop corner. Fabulous.

Fabulous. Which is yet to be sponsored by Pop Corner. Just know Pop Corner, if you're listening. Oh, Pop Corner. It's right here. It's right here for you. I know. It's literally right here for you. And they're a delicious snack. Perfect. They are. 90 calories a bag or something. Don't give them a free ad. Sometimes you gotta slide a little in to get their attention. Kelly's right. Just lower them in a little bit. No more than that. Yeah, exactly. Okay, we have a little bit

Of another, this is like our third Bravo update in like three episodes because every single time we talk about one of these guys, 30 minutes later, something else comes out. So we were talking about Sandoval on Monday, his...

Girlfriend posted another story. I don't know. Misunderstand. I don't know what the hell is going on there. I don't know either. And it appears Allie is moving out of her house with James. We have the title for Wicked Part 2. It is not called Wicked Part 2. It's called Wicked for Good. For Good. Aaron Rodgers' new Netflix show has come out. It's called Enigma, of course. And...

And he's talking about his family. There's some quotes that have been picked up by the tabloids. Timothee Chalamet went on Theo Vaughn's podcast and it's just a good time. He's a star. It's just Timothee. Shocker, he's a star. And we have the brand new trailer for White Lotus. And like I said, we'll get into Pop Corner as well. So let's jump into the topics.

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C-H-I-C-K-S for $20 off. Download the Game Time app today. What time is it? Game time. Okay, Victoria, James Sandoval, James Sandoval. James Sandoval. What a horrifying combination. That is a terrible combination. But to be fair, they're both in the news at the same time for bad things. For bad, I know, exactly. As usual. Yes. Victoria, Tom Sandoval's girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, I don't know which one it is right now. Yeah, I don't know either. She posted another story about him.

From what we talked about on Monday, she said, you know, Chyger never changes his stripes, loves the best friends. Wow, I totally understand now. It was very dramatic. And I was ready to bring out my torches and pitchforks again. But I also thought to myself, like, duh, bitch. Yeah, no, I'd, yeah, yeah.

So this new story said, I would like to sincerely apologize for my previous post. I had a true misjudgment in a situation. Tom did not do anything for my own personal trauma and experiences. Hearing false accusations about him all the time clouded my judgment and got the best of me. Please respect him and know he's actually been the most supportive partner. The Internet can be harsh sometimes, and I'm learning how to block out the noise. Look, I, yeah, it's got to be tough.

But, like, what happened? What happened that she posted that first thing and then had to be like, I'm so sorry? Like, it has to be something huge. She probably gets crazy. My guess is...

is constantly getting messages from people being like, hey, I was out last night and I saw Tom doing this or my friend knows this person who knows this person who knows Tom and Tom's been talking to this person behind your, like just because they hate him so much. Yeah, yeah. I feel like. For sure. But also too, I think that there's something to the fact of like, if you, girl, what's her name, Victoria? Yeah. Victoria, if you're going to

you girl what's your name victoria if you're gonna date tom sandoval you have to know that everyone on earth is gonna say that he's cheating behind your back already like you have to have the ultimate trust

to even consider dating him because everyone always is going to be sending you messages. You're going to see stuff. You're going to do this. You're going to do that. And if you blindly trust him like you're going to have to, then you'll block out the noise. But if you don't trust him because you think that there are things that he's keeping from you or whatever, then you can't be in a relationship with him because he might be two-timing you in one way or another. But like, what are we doing here? And...

You can't post a story like that, sending all the torches and pitchforks back for Tom Sandoval and then be like, sorry, y'all. I was just crazy last night. Like, it's no big deal. Like, I know that to me doesn't add up. Like, I almost thought that that I'm sorry message. I was like, is she sorry?

in some sort of... Did he make her post that? I don't know. Knowing Tom Sandoval, he probably guilted her into posting that I'm sorry story and then made up a fake fucking lie about how whatever she heard is not true and she's being gaslit. That's the Tom we know. So, Victoria, if you're not thinking along those lines, then I don't know what to do or how to help you, but I say head for the hills regardless. I know. Where there's smoke, there's fire, always. Yeah, there's definitely...

There's definitely a world where Tom, whatever situation was happening, Tom talked his way out of it. For sure. But there's also like, I just can't imagine if you know yourself as a person and know that in relationships you have trust issues that you're like, you know, Tom Sandoval's the guy for me. Not a fucking chance. Like I'm somebody with trust issues. I wouldn't even go near Tom Sandoval. Oh God. Like not in a million years. Because how do you ever believe him? Everybody has tried and who lied. Right, exactly. Right.

But beside the fact that he has drama and whatever and all the Rachel and all that Ariana shit,

We've watched him lie, manipulate, and gaslight for however many seasons of Vanderpump Rules, whether you like it or not. Everyone knows it's who he is. And there is some truth to the fact that when you're on a show like that, you kind of play it up for the cameras and whatever and blah, blah, blah. But after as long as they've been on, that's who they are. You know what I mean? That's who they have become, whether they like it or not. And so unless he's done some big reversal and he's in like...

behavioral therapy of some kind. I just don't foresee Tom Sandoval being a trustworthy guy that's not worthy or that you don't have to have your guard up around a little bit. For sure. And on the other side with the other half of that combo is James Kennedy and

Ali has apparently moved out for the time being. TMZ posted saying that James was spotted helping Ali load her personal items into her car. Now TMZ has learned the couple is currently spending time apart in photos taken Sunday outside their San Fernando Valley home. James appeared somber as he helped Ali carry a laundry hamper, suitcase, and other belongings to her car.

Damn.

So first, this makes me sad because I do like James and Allie and I hate that...

All this shit happened I think James Has issues Clearly That need to be addressed And I just wish I just wish None of that happened Second I think we can confirm She was definitely moving out Because you don't just Bring your laundry basket Unless you're moving out No totally So helping her carry The laundry basket Down to the car I think is the Yeah Is what tells us What's really going on But I'm sad I'm sad for these two I really like I really like Allie and James I like Allie a lot I should say Yeah

And I think James has his pros and cons. I think he's very funny. But clearly, he's not okay. Yeah, it's... What was the report? It's a situation that you just... It's hard to justify. And from the... Like, what Rih and I were saying is, too, from the outside, it's like you read the plain, straight-to-the-facts situation in the police report of, like, woman was...

and thrown to the ground. It's like, okay, well, you know, we're not in their relationship. We don't know what he's saying to her, what they say. But when you hear that, it's like you just jump to, okay, yeah, she should not be with him. That is terrible. So I'm just glad that she is separating herself for the time being. She'll have friends and family with her and maybe they will...

help guide her in what one would think is the right direction. Sure. I think there are two options here. I think Allie leaves and moves on and realizes that if this man is capable of pushing her to the ground, then what else is he capable of? Or...

This is rock bottom for James, and he has to revamp his entire lifestyle. He has to become sober. He has to go to... Isn't he already supposed to be sober? I thought he was. And then if he was sober pushing it to the ground, then you got to get on medication or something. You got to do something. That's crazy. I just really thought that he was already... I thought he had already stopped drinking. I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know. You know what, though? But doesn't his dad... He kind of sinks in and out of it. Yeah. Isn't his dad like...

Isn't his dad kind of like that? Like he's a club guy. Yeah. I remember that one episode like forever ago where James went to go see his dad and his dad had like a DJ set up. Yeah. His dad gives me like a major like PK vibes. Very similar. Yes. Like just scenarios. A little bit of like maybe a club party, like a British club partier that is like older but still kind of doing that shit. Yeah. So I wonder if James is whatever. But regardless, yeah.

He needs... If this is all what happened and it sounds like it is, then either way, I feel like he needs to take steps towards some sort of rehabilitation, whether it's behavioral. Like I said, same with Tom Sandoval. They should just hop on the bus together, scoop them all up and bring them over there and make them do... And now it's just like the show... They're done on the show. The show is over. It's like they're not...

Like, get your life together. Get your life together. Do you think they're all acting out? Because, well, I guess the Tom thing isn't really Tom. No. Do you think they're all acting out because the show's over and they announced a whole new cast coming? I don't know. Do you think that if you're James Kennedy, specifically, do you think that you're panicked about not going back on Vanderpump Rules? 100%. You think so? 100% because I think that from the way it ended, from what we were...

it felt like things were going well for James. Absolutely. And James is, oh, now I'm the number one guy in the group. He's doing the whole thing. He's got Allie. She's a sweetheart. He seems to be moving in the right direction. So I think selfishly for him, you do want the show to keep coming back because now he's painted as a good guy. He's taken a different role. Now the show's over and he's not getting...

that outside validation that he was getting from strangers. Right. Exactly. Right. Now he's like washed up James Kennedy, which is, you know, he's still got the DJ thing going on. But again, something like this with him and Ally can really put a wrench in your stuff. Some of his gigs I saw were getting canceled. Yeah.

Damn. Yeah, you lose jobs when you do this. Of course you do. That's what I'm saying. I don't understand how you can make that kind of mistake. It's just, I want to have empathy or sympathy, whatever it is, but it's very hard to. No, it's nearly impossible, if I'm honest. You're like...

All I could say is like you're sick, you know? Like that's the only thing you can say that isn't like fuck this guy for throwing a woman on the floor. Like what do you mean? You know, it's disgusting behavior. It really is. It really is.

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Okay, moving on to more exciting news. Wicked. Now, just when you think... It was funny. In my head, I saw Ariana's post. I was like, just when you think things are wrapping up for the year, she was like, bam, Wicked for good, November 21st, 2025. That's right. That's right. I'm so pumped that they did...

all of the shooting at once and that the movies are coming out one year and then another one the next year. Yeah. I think that's a really good way to do this two-part movie. I wish it was like six months apart. Me too, me too. But it is like light at the end of the tunnel, you know? It is, but... Let's see how the first one went. You know how Dune, it took forever for the second Dune to come out and all that? No chance of it getting delayed or whatever. They just did it all and we're just waiting now.

I know. I just got to imagine that as much as they love it and it was a great project and they're hopefully going to be awarded for it. Sure.

It's just a lot to keep talking about for like a whole nother year plus. It is. Especially when it's been their whole lives for the last two or three. Yeah, pretty much. God, it's just a lot of wickedness. How do you just jump out of that? I don't think you do. That's why she's literally Glinda. That's why she's Glinda. Yeah, she just is. I don't think you do step out of it. She just is. Yeah. Did you watch the...

The peacock behind the scenes? Yes, but also the actors on actors with her and Paul Meskel. I thought it was fantastic. I did too. I normally don't watch like the full. Yeah. Because they're sneaky. They're an hour long almost always. They're like 45 to an hour long almost always. And I always see clips and whatnot. But that one I actually sat down and watched the whole thing. Yep.

They were both so... They were great. They were so eloquent. I mean, you know, Paul, we already expected. We've seen him... Yeah. I think we've seen him in an Actors on Actors before maybe or another like interview style where he's talking about film and you can tell that he's passionate and that he's a sensitive guy and that he's an artsy guy. Yeah. But him with Ariana and the questions she was asking and also the questions she was answering, I was so impressed by her. And I just... I feel like she... This movie not only has transformed her...

career in a certain way it's also like she's kind of grown up you know what I mean like I don't I don't think of Ariana as like oh some like whatever she's got boyfriends she's this she's that like I kind of used to think of her like that and I always have loved her music and loved her but I always thought like all right there's there's an element to it that comes with any pop star really but now I find myself with just a overwhelming amount of of what's what's the word

Not impressed. Pride. Overwhelming amount of, I can't think of the right word. Admiration? I don't know. Admiration maybe is the word. It'll come to you. I think like. I'm impressed. I'm very impressed with Ariana Grande. That's a long-winded way of me to say that. No, that is so fair. I think, you know, even in one moment during the interview, Paul had said, you know, something along the lines of,

Oh, well, you know, you know with other movies. And she was like, this is like kind of my first big thing. She's like, yeah, this is my big break. She's like, I played myself in Don't Look Up. Right. And of course, you know, the...

Nickelodeon acting when she was younger, but this is such a different ballgame and she just is so good that I can't wait to see what projects and movies she does after this. But even in that, she was joking about the press and everything. She's like, we're insufferable. I know it. And it's just like, it's crazy because if people were getting...

I will never be sick of it, personally. Me neither. I love it. I love it. It does not bother me one bit, but I know that some people were feeling a little fatigued by it all. For sure, yeah. Towards the end of the last couple weeks. People always get like that, though. Just get ready, because it's going to start up again in just a few more months. And Fran, I'm going to go ahead and say I think it's going to be even worse, because for those who don't know, Wicked, the play, Act 2 is much more monotonous.

It is. And much more intense. Like obviously Defying Gravity is the big moment of part one. But yeah, buckle up. Yeah. Because there's going to be twice as many tears, I think. Yeah. And I think there's like, I've seen a lot of TikToks about...

the Dorothy casting which is so interesting to me that we like don't know that we don't know who it is who it is yeah but it already happened right right you know it's like it's done already I heard I heard rumors that it was that either one they show Dorothy but they don't actually show her face so it doesn't really matter yeah so it's not like really a person like she's not like a speaking role or anything right I've heard that and I've also heard it

some other girl. But she doesn't really do much in the play. No, she doesn't. Yeah. I also heard it's this one girl who I don't know her name, but everybody on Twitter seemed to know who she was. They're like, oh, it could be her. And she's like a younger... Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I've seen it. I don't know her. Her name is... It's like this younger girl. And she looks... I mean, she'd be a great Dorothy, it seems. Her name is Alicia Weir. Yes, yes, yes. She is an Irish actress and singer best known for her leading roles in the films Matilda the Musical and Abigail. Mm-hmm. So she's this...

She's young, very cute. Here she is. I think people said that maybe she was at one of the premieres or something. She's been to all of them or something. That was what it was. People were really trying to put together some... She's always at the premieres, and so people are assuming that she's involved. She's a little Irish girl. She's so cute. I love her. She's really so cute. Oh my God, she was Matilda the Musical. Yeah, but she looks really young. Wicked Little Letters. I knew I had seen her before. Wicked Little Letters. She does look really young. How old is she even?

They don't even... She just got in Forbes 30 under 30. Did you see that? She's 15. She's 15. Oh, my God. She's so young. Wow. She's so young. So anyway, people were saying that right because she was... She, I guess, had been in a few of the premieres, which...

I do think is interesting because why would she be at any? Yeah. Well, they really did such a good job with certain things. And I mean, we didn't talk about it when the movie came out because we were trying to avoid the spoiler. So, you know, spoiler if you haven't seen it. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. Spoiler if you haven't seen it. I feel like it's been enough time now. Yeah. But even with...

Kristen Chenoweth And Idina Menzel Being at the premiere It's like nobody Kind of blinked an eye Thinking like Right cause it's like I didn't That completely Shocked me Completely And I sobbed I sobbed my eyes out I couldn't I was so excited Right then they Put out interviews Afterwards Um

being like okay like on the red carpet saying we won't this won't be released until after the premiere and people see it that you guys have this this role but they really kept that under wraps pretty well so I think anything for wicked for good like they've done a good job the whole team you know I

the amount of people that worked on Wicked, the project, like just not even just the actors and actresses, which there are so many of them as well, but the amount of behind the scenes people, especially to make Oz, like all of that, whatever. I imagine it's, it's,

a real bear to try to keep everybody to keep their mouth shut. But it seems like everybody is just so passionate about it that they're willing to... They also want to wait to surprise everyone, which I think is fantastic. It really is... It's such an exciting moment in musical slash pop culture history come together. And I think it's fantastic. I agree. I love that...

I love that they gave it a name too. Like Wicked for Good and not just Wicked Part 2. Yeah, I totally agree. So I think that's great. Because now it's Wicked and Wicked for Good. Yeah. Oh, so good. Which just flows so nicely. I'm already tearing up. I know. I can't wait to like watch part one at home and then go straight to the movie theater for part two. Exactly. I did that with Dune as well. Yeah, yeah. I keep referencing Dune because it's like the other big movie I saw this year. Right. Okay, Aaron Rodgers.

His new Netflix show is out right now. It's called Enigma because God knows the man's a freak. And he... Sorry. No, it's so true. He just is. Yeah, so true. Beyond. It's really one of the first times he's talked about his family life. And there's one part. Noah, if I play this, am I going to get in trouble? The clip from the show? No. Okay. I'm playing it because...

I'm literally just going to play it into the mic. Yeah, play it. It's worth playing. You need to hear his tone. You need to hear like the way he says it. Yeah. Here we go. The dramatic music? Yeah, I know. Yeah.

Definitely relationships changed after that. Friendships, family. It wasn't like I was super duper close to everybody in the family. I was close with my little brother. But in actuality, it goes back to stuff in college, stuff post-college. And I was quiet about it because that's what I knew. It was just...

Don't talk about it publicly. And what do they do? The Green Bay Packers quarterback's name is all over the Bachelorettes this season. His younger brother Jordan is in the final two, and Jordan reveals their family estrangement to millions of viewers. They go on a bullsh** show and leave two empty chairs. They all agreed this was like a good thing to do, to leave two empty chairs at a stupid dating show that my brother just went on to get famous. His words, not mine.

This jumps around a little bit. I don't want them to fail, to struggle.

That is like the jumped around version of some of the things he says. But of course people are jumping on him, you know, talking about Jordan and going on The Bachelorette, Stupid Dating Show, the leaving the chairs empty. He went on Just to Be Famous and then he was like he did win.

And they are still together. And they're still together. And he did, honestly, it jump-started his career as well. Yeah, yeah. So you can't lie about that. But I am shocked that he brought this up. Shocked. Because when Jordan Rodgers went on The Bachelorette for JoJo's season, we all knew that he was... That's basically how he was advertised. It was, oh, Jordan Rodgers, that's Aaron Rodgers' brother. That was the only thing anybody would talk about the whole time. I remember all that...

going home with the family scene, talking about how they miss Aaron. Oh my God. At the time, it seemed like the empty chairs were so dramatic. They were so dramatic. At the time, it seemed very much like it was almost as if he abandoned the whole family and it was almost like a cry out for like, we still love you. Totally. It felt like a public plea of like, hey, we're all here. We're still family. We miss you. If Aaron wanted to be here, we'd love to have him. Yep, yep, yep. Kind of thing. And...

I don't know. At the end of the day, it really does feel like he started to just have some different, different beliefs change his life. And that happens in a family. Sometimes you like, he also at certain, at a different point referenced, um, his parents, Christian beliefs and how like he started to question some things. And I think there is a little bit of a, you know, not to play devil's advocate a little with, with, uh,

how Aaron sees it, but he probably challenged his parents a little bit, but then also, like, tried to keep the peace as much as possible because his dad... For sure. The last time his dad was interviewed was for, like, that Aaron Rodgers... I have, like, an eyelash in my eye that's driving me nuts. I hate that. I get that habit all the time. That he...

thought everything was fine between them. Like it was like, oh no, it wasn't until, because that was that big quote. It was like, it wasn't until Olivia Munn that like things got bad. Right, and then all of a sudden, right, right. And that's how she got all the blame, by the way, for like breaking up their family, which I don't necessarily think she deserves all that blame. No, because, totally, and he kind of,

preface it is like there were things way earlier than that that maybe he just didn't didn't vocalize didn't actually have the discussions about where maybe his parents thought everything was fine it wasn't and yeah no like he definitely joked that he's uh maybe hasn't made the the right choices when dating he's like sure which you know

It falls more on him, sometimes I feel, because a lot of these ex-girlfriends have moved on to be just fine. And Aaron Rodgers is sitting in a tank top and a charm necklace talking about like...

The bachelor. Yeah. I think there is. And he came out with some different ideas. The whole, he went full anti-vax. He said people dropped him out of his life after that. He said that was heartbreaking. So it's just, he lost a lot of those connections. It's really tough to be doing what he's doing and to keep everything as it was. Yeah.

And especially with your family. I feel like the only things that really break up a family like that are those kind of views, whether it's religious, whether it's political or whatever.

or whatever. I think it went all, all of them. I think so. I think they started different on all of them. And sometimes there is truth to, sometimes people are pushed away from their families by their, by their significant others, or maybe they just are put, you know, who knows what he was saying to Olivia about his family. Like who knows? But I, I'm shocked to hear him acknowledge this just because he never has. It sounds like he's still very pissed about it. It sounds like they don't, they still don't really have a relationship. Yeah.

And I think that's a shame, obviously. The bachelorette thing really must have been a big thing. Well, so, right. So he said, he was like, you know, we had issues, whatever, but I kept it under wraps because that's what you do. Yeah. And then they had the fucking bachelorette happen and all this, whatever. I wonder if that, I mean, I'm sure that made it worse, but I wonder if that was like a nail in the coffin to like any potential reconciliation for their relationship. Probably. Because as far as I know, they don't speak still, right? Yeah, no, I don't, no. Him and his whole family? No. No.

It's kind of crazy. I mean, I guess, I don't know. People, sometimes you hate your family. And that's just how it goes. But I do sympathize with him in the way of

seeing that on The Bachelorette. Sometimes your family hates you. Right, sometimes your family hates you. Seeing that on The Bachelorette, though, that had to have been hard. Like, that had to have sucked. Totally. I think we said it even at the time. Like, that whole thing had to have sucked. Yeah, it was major, like, reality TV played up. Totally. Theatrics. Mm-hmm. But, yeah, that's like, if you're someone who's trying to kind of keep your private life more private,

which at the time it felt like he was doing, especially with those high-profile relationships that he had. And then you see that. Yeah, it's super shitty. And also it's just painting him in bad light, making him look as if he's abandoned his whole family and letting his family be like, please come home, Aaron, essentially. But you know Jordan and JoJo are at home being like,

Did he really need to say, my brother went on to be famous, his words, not mine? Yeah, right. Chill. And then for them to be like, oh, are you open for reconciliation? It's like, oh yeah, never say never say never kind of thing. It's like, okay, well, that was a bitchy thing to say. Maybe don't start off with insults. Maybe let's move past the bachelorette thing. Although I do understand that. I probably wouldn't let that go either. He...

It feels like a little bit of a grudge holder. Absolutely. You know? Absolutely. Yeah. Where it's like, yes, he's moving on. He does his treatments and his religion now, his different beliefs and his ayahuasca journeys and everything that he does. He's a bit of a wackadoodle. But he also, I feel like at the end of the day, he's like, but I don't forget. Yeah.

Of course. Right. Yeah. You think you think like he would be he'd be born again in this. Right. Right. Like forgiveness is more than saying sorry. Yeah. I mean, like it's just it's more than saying sorry. I don't know why that came right to me, but it did. It did. It just subliminally buried in my brain.

But yeah, I just... I don't know. I am not... I'm not an Aaron Rodgers fan. I used to be. Obviously, he's hot. Not so much anymore. But he was really hot for a while. Yeah, fair. Which is usually the only thing that gets me to like people when I don't know anything else about them. But...

Yeah, I don't know. He seems lost to me, Aaron Rodgers. I think that he even doesn't know what he wants in his life. I think that he's trying all these new things and he's putting on different hats and he's just trying to maybe make a difference in some way or what he wants to do. But I think that he is struggling just from the outside looking in. Struggling on purpose. Yeah, he's struggling for a purpose. Enigma. Yeah, there you go. He's an enigma.

But to call your own show Enigma is also like, all right, let's give it a break. You know, I hope somebody else named it. You're no J.R. Rogers. I've never liked him. He's not your guy? He's not likable. And also, like, I think he's always been overrated. Oh, yeah? As, like, a player? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he's, you know, sucking the wind out of the place this year. There was a whole period where, like, he was, like, in his prime and people were like, he's better than Brady. And it's like, no, he's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People love to say that. No, for sure.

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Can't say I've literally ever watched a full Theo Vaughn episode. I haven't watched that many to be honest. This was literally the first one because when I saw, it came up on my TikTok first, like a fan edit of this. And I was like, hold the phone.

Timothee Chalamet is on Theo Vaughan. Yeah, excuse me, what? This isn't like a AI combination of this happening. It's like, no, he really went on the show. He seems super happy to be there slash like a big fan of Theo and his show in general. He said that when...

He was filming this movie that in like the makeup trailer or whatever, like somebody was always watching his podcast. Oh, how funny. I said, why couldn't they have been playing Chicks in the Office? Yeah, right? Seriously. What the fuck? He started to really become a fan. That's so funny. And he went on to promote the new movie.

And it just felt like... It was very funny to me because it just felt like one big bit from both of them. It just felt like a lot of times, Timothy was saying kind of funny things just to get a reaction out of Theo. He referenced...

That he's spending Christmas with his family. He said his sister just had a baby. He said he had a niece. Paulina just had a baby. I didn't know. Wait, what? Paulina just had a baby? Yeah, Paulina had a baby. Oh my God. Oh my God.

I had no idea. Yeah, Paulina had a baby. I had no idea. She looks unbelievable. And Timothy was like, yeah, you know, I don't really get to see her too much. She lives out there in France in one of those communities. In the forest. In a forest. Oh, yeah, yeah. Good for her. No, no, no. Thea was like, oh, really?

And he was like I'm fucking with you Like he like Oh no I bought it when he said it I'm like that's weird I do think she does How chic I do think she does Live in France It is Paulina It's not He doesn't have another sister No it's Kelly Paulina had a baby I had no She started doing press I feel crazy When she started doing press For the new season of Sex Lives

it was like, she was like, oh yeah, I'm a new mom. Oh my God. I just, I'm looking on her Instagram. I miss it entirely. I can't believe I missed that. Because Theo was like, oh, do you have any pictures or whatever? And he was like, oh, you know, I think my sister, like Theo obviously has no idea his sister is like also famous and like an actress. I don't think Theo had any idea about a lot of stuff. Yeah. There was one moment where I,

I was like, he, Timothee Chalamet gave him like the biggest layup to ask him about Kylie Jenner if he wanted to. Yeah. But I don't even think he knows that he's like dating. Right. He probably doesn't. He probably doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. I did see a lot of commentary on TikTok of some of like the clips and everything of them just going back and forth and like, and comments of people being like, what does he talk to Kylie Jenner about? You know, but if anything, it just made him seem just like a normal, cool New York City guy, which has always felt like,

It's just always the vibe that he's given off. Yeah. In my personal opinion, I'm sure Kylie finds that extremely attractive. Absolutely. My judgment of Timothy has always been. And, you know, you hear like whispers of friends of friends. I feel like I have heard a lot of stories of like, oh, I was friends with Timothy and whatever. My friend, a friend went to school with him. I feel like I hear those stories all the time.

And that he's cool and that he was like a fuckboy in college and that he's just always been hot and always been into acting and like music and whatever, which is interesting. But what people always say is that he's funny and that he's just like kind of a bro. And so I was like, all right, so kind of.

He's on the football thing. Right. The football thing. Now he's doing Theo Vaughn. Exactly. And to be honest, I think this press tour is trying to get all the straight guys out to see Bob Dylan. I know. Brittany Broskudas interviewed him too. Shut up. Oh, really? Yeah. He's picking them right. He's picking them right. They did a good job. That's hilarious. It is smart. He is crushing it. And he is being very funny. It is funny. And I feel like this is, you know, it's a funny...

But I really do think that Kim dating Pete Davidson like really opened up.

the eyes of the rest of the family of like sure ooh maybe like the funny cute guy like is a good option absolutely right like we don't have to look for these just like these big athletes all day long I mean Chalamet is obviously like the it guy of the like you know Mr. like that's an A-list hit actor right now yeah and for a while I feel like the DiCaprio Kylie and him yeah Kylie and

and him have been together for like over a year now. For sure. I remember them, I remember the first like visit

videos we saw or no no no they were at the Golden Globes together it was like the first time we maybe saw them together not even on the carpet yeah they went to a concert too I think they went to Beyonce's Beyonce's but that was later that was later on I think and now Kylie and it looked like Kylie and Chris went to like the premiere party in LA for the Bob Dylan movie I did walk by him the other day I never said that you didn't say that you did? yeah was he so cute? which was weird because I was talking about him how tall did he look? yeah yeah he looked

About my height? Maybe a little taller? Not like too tall. I wasn't like, oh wow, he's tall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like you weren't like, he's short. No, no. Yeah, yeah. Um,

And he had a nice, like, he was walking into a car, so he was walking pretty fast. Right. But it was just so random. It was, like, a block away from where I live. And I was looking for, like, a subway to go to. He was all over New York, too, because they did one of the screenings or premieres at the theater on 23rd. Yeah. Like, right there the other day. So...

He's one of those guys that you'll literally always see. Like, he's just always running around New York and he's on his own. He's always around.

He's a New York City guy which just adds an effortless level of cool to you already. To be like born and raised New York. He was like I had a normal life in the Lower East Side until I became famous. Yeah. When did he become famous? Or like this level of like. I think Call Me By Your Name. Call Me By Your Name was probably. Which he must have been like how old for that? I think he was like 20. Early 20s. Yeah. I think he was like 20. Let's see. How old is he now?

He's 29, I think. 28, 29. Call Me By Your Name came out in 2017. He's 28.

So what's 2024 minus 2017? So it was seven years ago. He was 21. Yeah, okay. Thank you guys for leaving that. That is kind of wild. I feel like for some reason in my head, he's always just been really famous. When he came on the scene like that, he was so... If you have not ever seen Call Me By Your Name in your life, not you specifically, Noah, but in general, I know you've seen it. No, no, I haven't. Oh, you haven't? No. Oh, I thought you said you had.

Oh, no. No, I haven't. You have to watch. And then now it's like with Armie Hammer. It's like. Right. Everybody. Listen, this. I'm not allowed to separate the art from the artist only one time. And it's call me by your name. Like you get one. And that's the one I choose. And I think that that movie is so well acted that everybody was like, holy shit, this kid can act. And then after that, it was just Oscar, Oscar, Oscar, like, you know, movie, not movie.

Not literally Oscars, but I think that... He's never won an Oscar, no. He was nominated for Call Me By Your Name. Let's see. Oscars. Timothy... I feel like he'll definitely be nominated for Bob Dylan. From just like the... I haven't seen it. He was nominated for Best Actor in Call Me By Your Name. And I don't know who actually won that year. She is... Oh my God. Also, I keep... Brie and I just keep butchering...

She was saying Paula. I was saying Pauline. His sister's name is Pauline. Pauline. His sister's name is Pauline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Given her 19 different names. What did I call her? Her name is Pauline. I think we were just calling her Paulina. Yeah, we were calling her Paulina. Pauline is her name. But her name is Pauline. But no, they actually just posted a People article because she does live in France. But Timothy made that joke. But she has lived in a...

She did live in like an artist colony before. That's hilarious. So he's just like making it sound dramatic. At some point, I think she kind of like made it... Like him just making a joke about it. That's amazing. But I think she... Of course she lives in France. She's so chic. She does live in Paris now. Amazing. So cool. I love her. I think that she just...

and she something about her you know how people like you just look French like she looks French and I know they are they speak French and they are French but she just is so cool yeah I love the sex lives of college girls I have to watch the new season I haven't watched any of it yet I'm ready to binge not as good

Yeah. Bummer. Well, Renee's leaving. So I feel like the setup for that is probably going to be tough. Yeah, they bring in a new person. Oh, no. It's just not quite the same. Oh, fuck. I don't know. It just wasn't... I feel like it's just not quite hitting as hard. Damn it. Well, I've been saving it for a plane ride, so I'm going to binge it. But, no, it's all good for... I thought that was very funny that he did that. And there was a lot of good... Like, he is a...

funny charming guy you know it's a good showing of showing of that absolutely I also feel like he really is an artist like he's really dedicated which I actually appreciate like he seems to like

really have a lot of respect for Bob Dylan. Totally, but he also like a very self-aware, not obnoxious man. Yeah, he kept saying, you know, like, I don't want to come off as like pretentious, like that type of thing. He's like, I wasn't trying to be like that guy to like make all my friends listen to Bob Dylan and like do all this stuff, like whatever, but yeah. It's like he wanted everybody to have that appreciation. I didn't know that. By the way, that he like saying...

for this movie. I thought it was all pre-taped, which is kind of crazy. Did you watch that Apple Music interview, the one that Thomas had in the chat the other day? No, I haven't watched that. So there's like an Apple Music interview between Timothy and I don't know who the guy is and I apologize to him. He's Zane Lowe. I was gonna say, is it Zane Lowe? Oh, yeah. He's like the guy who, yeah. I don't know him for some reason. But so that interview, it was a little long

I think another one worth the watch, Timothy talking all about how he got into character, how he didn't really know Bob Dylan at all, and then sort of like really engrossed himself in it. And the thing that was important to him was trying to figure out like the tone and response to him at the time when he was famous or when he was just coming up because it was such a quick rise to fame. And honestly, like he didn't say this, but in my head I thought like, oh, that is kind of like Tim.

with him. Like I think that he himself draws parallels between himself and Bob Dylan. He also talks about how Bob I guess is a real contrarian. So like if you say you like something he says he doesn't. And so he like

you know, he was worried about the performances and like his agent was sending stuff to Bob and he was like, wait, but don't send it and don't tell me you like it. Like, I don't want him to say the opposite just because like- It is crazy he still said he has never talked to Bob Dylan. Like they haven't ever spoken to each other. It is crazy. And that one tweet is like, he's just still a fangirl. I know, it was just kind of like a thing where, and it made sense when he was talking about it because he said some of the other

actors did have contact with like their, you know, the person they were playing. Right, right. But he said like he really wanted to not have this like Hollywood wash of Bob Dylan for the movie that it really like showed all sides of him and like he didn't really want to talk to Bob's family members because he

Like as a family member, you know, sometimes you remember things differently or you just kind of like.

you're trying to protect your family. Absolutely. You remember the good stuff. You're not going to be telling the stories of some of the bad stuff. He's like, I want to get all angles and all sides, which I thought was very interesting too because it's like he wasn't... He was studying different documentaries that really did show some of Bob's different sides. For sure. And like I was saying, the...

In that Apple Music interview where he said, like, I wanted to capture what people thought of him at the time. Yeah. Which I think is interesting. He wasn't that famous. No, right. Right. Yeah. What was the perception of him? Like, what do people think of him, basically? Do you guys like Bob Dylan?

I honestly, I mean... I've always been a really big fan. I could name a handful of songs, but I'm not a fan. He's very polarizing. I feel like I meet more people who are like, ugh, I hate his voice. No, I like his voice, and I think his songs are catchy. I think he was much more polarizing during that time of when he was...

super super famous and popular right because it was like you either like loved or hated him and now I feel like there's so much like now every time it's passing people are like oh yeah Bob Dylan that's great you know I just like respect you know what his career was he's the only musician to win a Nobel Prize Wow yeah didn't Kendrick Lamar win one

Is that recent? I feel like it. That obviously would have to be. No, because we were looking up the other day because people were saying that Taylor Swift might be up for one and Bob Dylan has like a Nobel Prize for music but it's like he's the only guy. Hmm.

Oh, wait. Kendrick Lamar won a Pulitzer. Pulitzer? Pulitzer. Okay. Good for him, though. Wow, that's nice. The White Lotus trailer for season three came out. Yes. Looks fantastic. It looks excellent, but I'll say, Fran, you never know what's going on. Yeah, I have no idea what's going on. No, but that's exactly what I want. Yeah, me too. I don't want to give away. I want a chaotic trailer when it comes to White Lotus because...

I don't want to have a single theory in my mind of what's going to happen until I start watching the first episode. Totally agree. And I think that that makes them all the better. Every season of White Lotus, in my opinion, the first two, have been unbelievable. I like them both almost equally. I really like both of those seasons. But I had no idea what they were going to be going in. So it's a recipe for success, I'd say. I agree. What's his name? Mike White?

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love. Mike White. Love, love. No Jennifer Coolidge. As far as we can tell, I still kind of think there will be like a flashback or something because there's the spa masseuse from season one is in season three. She's on a, like a, what did they say? She's like, I'm on an exchange program or like whatever. So I kind of feel like she'll be worked into the story somehow. They can't just, she can't be gone. I know. The cast of characters really seems great. I love all the ladies. Yeah.

that are in it. I love all those ladies too. What's his name? Goggins. Oh yeah, he's really good. Oh yeah, I love him too. I love him too. I feel like he's going to be really, really good. Really, really good. It does look like, just from the trailer, like less secluded compared to the last two. Totally. They're like in the city. Right. There's like a lot of crowds. I don't know. Less of like a resort maybe. Right. Also, what's her face? Is it Lisa? Yeah.

Yes. Lisa from Blackpink, who people were kind of like, she's only getting jobs because she has a famous boyfriend or something. And I was like, I think Lisa's getting jobs because Lisa's getting jobs. She's mega famous. She's super famous. She's a good actress. We've seen it. Yeah. And on, well, I've seen it on The Idol. People don't, I think I was the only person in the world to watch The Idol. I hate watched it. I loved it. Really? I still sing that song. I'm just a freak.

It was so good. Because you know I want it bad. It was like on my top listens of Spotify. Like, I love that song. That is fun. But I think that people are giving... For some reason, there's always haters coming out about Lisa. I have no idea why. But I think... I'm excited for her to be in it. I think she's going to be great. No, it'll be good. It'll be good for sure. And I trust... There's not a lot of people that it's like blind trust. Mike White has got my blind trust. Same. You know? Totally. That he'll put together...

put together one hell of a show so that comes out in yeah it comes out in like February I think or was it February 15th I think it said very soon which is really not that far yeah it's really not far away that is amazing once we get into January it's just a blah blah blah blah like all the way through totally something to look forward to February 16th February 16th perfect there we go amazing can't wait we will obviously be watching and that wraps up the topics

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We'll go through them. Obviously, they're all going to be addressed to Rhea and Fran, so we'll just pretend that it's Kelly and Fran for the day. Should I answer as Rhea? Yeah, you will. We will go through a few. So let's kick it off, Noah. Hi, Rhea and Fran. This is Maggie from Philly. Go Birds. Go Birds. So the holiday season is upon us, and I recently watched The Holiday, and I just feel that Jack Black was terrible, terrible casting for that movie. Yeah.

So I'm curious if there's anyone else that you would have casted in the role of Jack Black that's kind of more a Jude Law vibe. Is this Rihanna? Or if there's just any other holiday movie that you think someone should have been casted for or someone else should have been casted because the casting just wasn't right. Let me know. Thank you guys. Love your podcast so much. I'm laughing because...

One, did she send this voicemail before we spoke on Monday? Because we talked about the holiday and Rhea said exactly that. That's so funny. She was like, the Jack Black casting just does not match. She was like, pretty unfair to Kate Winslet that she got Jack Black. And I will fight to defend Jack Black in this role for forever. So I, sadly, because Rhea's not here, she would agree. But I don't think Jack Black should have been replaced by anybody in this movie. Yeah.

Fran, you know how I feel about Jack Black, how I am not a Jack Black fan at all. I literally, I like hate him. Like I really, like I think that he is so, because he's a physical comedy, like I'm not that kind of a bitch. Like I don't like a guy who like throws himself around and is like kooky. Like it's not my thing. However, that being said, he is perfect.

in the holiday. It is the only movie that I can stomach with Jack Black in it. I think he's perfect. I think this person and maybe Rhea are missing the whole point of Jack Black being kind of a, like not as hot as Jude Law. That's what I said. He's not supposed to be as hot as Jude Law. He's not supposed to be hot. He's not supposed to be the obvious choice for Kate Winslet. Yeah.

But turns out he's a lovely man who respects women and respects her. Kate Winslet's got to deal with Jasper. Exactly. She already had a hot guy on her plate and she'd been dealing with all that bullshit. So she's looking for something new, something different. And this musical man comes into her life who respects her and admires her. And I think he played it perfectly. So I'm sorry to this girl. And I'm sorry to Rhea. I know. Because I disagree. And look, you know, it's...

I will not fault you if you say you're not just attracted to Jack Black in that way. For sure. Nobody is, by the way. 100%. I get what you're trying to say. But in the realm of this movie, I just can't imagine them going in and throwing like... This is where I'm like a Michael Fassbender. No fucking way. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to think of somebody that is older. Because this movie came out...

Matt Damon. 20 years ago? Or like a Rob Lowe or like a Matt Damon. When did this movie come out? 2004? Probably. Something early like that. Because even Cameron Diaz is so young. 2006. 2006. Okay, so it's almost 20 years. Good guessing. And so yeah, it's like they're young. So you're trying to think of somebody that at that time would- 20 years ago. It's like when you put Matthew McConaughey in there. Honestly-

Actually, Matthew McConaughey as Jude Law, I would have almost maybe liked more. No, no, no, no. Jude Law is perfect. What do you mean? He's got to be British. He's got to be British. He can do a British accent. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Tell me about Jude Law. Jude Law is like, he's everything. He's unbelievable. But that's the thing. You wanted a typical guy who probably works with Cameron Diaz, who...

lives in LA and whatever and you know the models and actors or whatever all in LA are all vapid piece of shit so that's the whole point that's the whole point of his story too he gets cheated on the hot girlfriend the model girlfriend actress girlfriend cheats on him we need to I don't want to say like critical thinking because I don't like that's overused but I want to say something like um

The movie would lose so much of its charm if it was not Jack Black. We need to start looking for the deeper message in these movies and really think about it. Let's hold space for Jack Black inside the holiday. So you don't like Jack Black in School of Rock? I hate him.

- Wow. - She hates Jack Black. - That's crazy. - I hate it. - So you don't like that movie? - No. - Oh my God. - I don't like it. And people judge me for that. A lot of people judge me for that. At one point when Fran's husband found out that I didn't like Jack Black, he started a group chat on Instagram and exclusively sends Jack Black memes to it, trying to change my mind. - 'Cause Joe is Jack Black's number one fan. - Exactly. - I thought School of Rocks universally loved. - No.

I don't meet that many people who don't like it. It is by other people, but yeah, I'm just anti-Jack Black. Similar, my mom is anti that kind of humor as well, but more extreme than me. I'm anti Jim Carrey. I love Jim Carrey. That's crazy to me. And I love Adam Sandler. Yeah, but he's usually like the Grinch. When Jack Black was Bowser in that thing where he was like, I liked him as Bowser. Peaches, peaches, peaches, peaches, peaches. I could fuck with that. I fuck with that.

But otherwise, no. Not my guy. Yeah. I mean, Kung Fu Panda. Ugh. Ugh.

Do it. The best. I hate that movie. The best. The best. Fucking love Kung Fu. Although it's really just voices, so I could get over it. Okay. Yeah. We will not be recasting Jack Black. What I've been really thinking about lately is what the heck happened to Harry and Meghan? A couple years ago, they had the Oprah special. They had Netflix. And all of a sudden, it just seemed like it died out. What about the jam of it all? Yeah.

Anyways, wanted to get your take on what happened. And if you are on their team, what would you do to help revamp their careers? Because it just kind of seems like they're floating into the abyss. Okay. Thank you. Love you guys. Bye. Look, it's been a jam. That was very funny. No, it's been a...

It's tough. It's been tough, but it's like always been tough. Like ever since Harry left, every single project that they've done, it feels like they really only completed a few things, right? It was like the Netflix show they did. Harry's book came out. But like Meghan was doing that podcast that put like 12 episodes out total and then stopped. Like there were so many things that like Netflix, Spotify, like they signed them to these massive, massive, massive deals. And then really nothing's changed.

else has come to fruition from it. So I don't know. I don't know if they just like are such perfectionists that they, uh, if some little, one little thing goes wrong, like they scrap a whole project or they don't do this or they don't do that. But yeah,

You still see them like out and about and going to events and like doing all those things. But yeah, it's been quiet. And what is it? American Orchard Farm or whatever the heck it's called? Who knows? Honestly, she just did. I would like to try the jam. I would like to try the jam. I have always been a little like in and out of. Do I like Harry and Meghan? Do I not like them? I feel like I've I've both stood up for them and talk shit. I.

I think right now it's just like they just seem lame right now. And I don't know how else to describe that. American Riviera Orchard. Oh, is that what it's called? That is. I think that they could have leaned like on full steam ahead into that.

Yeah. Like and to be and make it make you know start with jam. Then have butter. Then have a full fucking farm and then become like farm people but rich farm people so they don't actually do it. They just sell the product. Well that I mean that is very trendy right now. Of course it is. And they were literally it was handed to them on a silver platter. And then what happened. Like they sent it to the Kardashians and that's the last I heard about it. I know. Send it to us. How about the. We love the Royals and all and all adjacent parties. The Instagram started on Thursday.

March 14th was when they posted the nine graphic combo of the logo. Nothing else has been shared. Nothing else has been posted. There's nothing else on here. Rhea and I actually talked about it at a live show, but they were on a worldwide CEO search for the company. Couldn't find anyone. Megan named herself CEO. Oh, man.

It's like And also a point of When are we gonna acknowledge That Megan is still a starlet And she wants attention She wants whatever I mean this is just the website It's clear The website you Enter your email To join the wait list That's it That's all that's on here Come on now Do you think she'll ever Go back to acting?

I think that's the number one thing she wants to do. I think she wants to be at like the Oscars with Prince Harry sitting in the thing. Right, right, right. Look at my beautiful wife. Like that's her biggest goal. That's why she dragged him to California. I'm telling you. Although no, that was not the tone I was whistling at the beginning. I was like, they're in love, they're in love. And now I just am not sure anymore. Right. I feel bad for Harry. And I feel bad for William. I've been seeing a lot of pro palace propaganda, I think. And so I just, I might be back on William's side. Wow.

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Hi, Rianne, Fran, it's Becca from Charlotte. I'm originally from Wontore. Long Island, early for life. I heard that in the Wontore. What's with Jeff Goldblum? Okay. Any interview that I see Jeff Goldblum do for Wicked, I...

finished watching him and I'm like, what the fuck? What did he just say? What the fuck did he just say? Watch... Okay, so there's really probably not much to be said on it, but watch the next interview from Wicked with Jeff Goldblum and after he speaks...

Think about it. What the fuck does he say? He says nothing. He says nothing. I don't know what he says. He talks in circles. The guy's weird. All right. Love you guys. Bye. No, it's a phenomenon and it's a fantastic one. I've certainly been fed all the Jonathan Bailey, Jeff Goldblum combo press that they did together. And every comment was like, these two are promoting an entirely different movie. Like these two are on a totally different press store. It's so great. He...

is a man that just like, I'll have what he's having. Absolutely. He's like in his 70s. He looks fantastic. He looks unbelievable. He's got a good attitude. He's a weirdo. He is dancing through life. He might be high as balls and he's dancing through life. The thing about Jeff Goldblum too is that he has a little bit of, like not even a little bit,

almost an overwhelming amount of sex appeal for some reason to me at least like the way that he talks the way that he's acting and it's like yeah what's this guy saying but I know that I'm listening I'm hanging on every word even though I have no idea what he's talking about and at the end of the day it's like I would like a kiss on the lips maybe Jeff Goldblum like it's a weird he just has that he's got that energy and he still does he has a charm

It totally does. I don't find it. And you know what I loved? I saw a video the other day that made me so happy. It was at like a basketball game. It was a sporting event. And Leonardo DiCaprio was there and Jeff Goldblum was there. The camera pans to Leonardo DiCaprio. You know, the hat's over his face. He doesn't like acknowledge the camera at all. He's looking down like the guy next to him is like, oh, like, but like does not. Not Leo's vibe. He hates that. Does not know acknowledgement. Camera pans to Jeff Goldblum.

Oh my God, he sees the camera. He lights up. He hits his mark. He like stands up. He waves to the crowd. He's smiling ear to ear. And like people were all... People were all like, be like Jeff. You know, if you're that famous, be like Jeff. Just be like Jeff. And he...

is he's having the time of his life. Half the time I'm like, I don't even think he knows what movie, and they all joked about that, right? They like joked about even like filming, that there were some creative things that like Jeff wanted to do with the wizard and they were all joking being like, Jeff, like you know the wizard actually doesn't have magic, right? - Right, right, yeah. That's the whole thing, it's a grift. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it just seems very funny. He totally seems like he's just living in his own world and God bless him. God bless him. That's how I feel. God bless him. That's for sure. You know, I think we'll wrap it up today because we're going for a while. Maybe we'll jump in with some so Rhea can do some this week too when she comes back, which will be fun. We can save. We only have two episodes left this year, guys. That's it. Friday and Monday. And then we are...

fully done and we'll be back in 2025 so kelly thank you so much for filling in today thanks for having me what a lovely catch-up for annie i loved it love having you here um all right guys that wraps up today's episode thank you so much for watching listening and we will be back on friday