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What's up everyone? It's Chicks in the Office with Rianne Fran giving you that Friday energy on a Monday. And Friday energy we are giving you indeed. We have two great interviews on today's episode. One with the one and only Dylan Efron. Yeah. Everybody's excited for that one. And of course we have Grant the Bachelor as well. We are nearing the end of the season of The Bachelor. Kind of crazy by the way. Flew by. Fast.

So we talked to Grant all about his season with The Woman Tell All coming up tonight. So that is a great episode built for Friday Energy on a Monday. But first, we are back. We are back from vacation. How are we feeling? Great. What a lovely time. I'd say great. I'm lying through my teeth now.

No, vacation was awesome. Being home, you know. Right. You got vacation, hangover. We do. Big time. Major. And the clocks decided to spring forward on us. Right. But I will say this. Leaving a destination like Turks and Caicos and coming home to it, the sun setting later and it being a little bit warmer. Definitely. It's really a nice touch. No, that is nice for sure. That is nice for sure. But I'm a little jealous that it happened Saturday night so now...

the sunsets there are happening a little bit later. You know? We're missing the sunsets there. We're missing the longer sun on the beach we're missing now. But no, we had an absolutely amazing time there.

We stayed at the Waimara. Yes. Gorgeous. Shout out Heather McMahon. Shout out Heather McMahon. Our queen. I fucking love her so much. But the way this came to be is... We, you know, Fran was like, man, Mike, I really want to go to Turks and Caicos. Should we go? And I was like, fuck it, let's go. And...

We had remembered that Heather, every time we see her. I've been dying to go. I said it to her face in the last interview. I was like, I want to go. Every time we see Heather, she talks about the Weimar in Turks and Caicos. And last time we saw Heather, she was like, you guys let me know if you want to go. You let me know if you want to go. And so we let Heather know, short notice, only in January. And we made it happen. Yeah, it was amazing.

Really just the resort was beautiful. Water was stunning. The like we had some amazing meals. We had some fucking outstanding really good food. Really really good food. Yeah. I mean the island itself is incredible.

We were having like Fiji flashbacks because the water in Turks and Caicos is so blue. So blue. And then we were like this. Turquoise. Yeah, we were like, well, you know, if you want to see some really blue water, you could travel only three hours to Turks and Caicos. You don't got to go 16 hours to Fiji. Right, right, right. That was for real. That is so true. I mean, we got to cross off a lot of fun things. We did a boat day. We saw Noah's Ark, which is, you know, very popular.

Drake's spot. Drake's hot spot. That if you're lucky enough, you would get to see Drake there. We did not. No, we didn't. We did not. But people talk about- My God, was there a good hot dog. Chicken fingers there. These chicken fingers were like some of the best we've ever had. But Noah's Ark is a bar in the middle of the ocean in Turks and Caicos. It's just like a floating- Dock. Dock. With a bar. And amazing food. And a kitchen somewhere. It is.

I don't know where that food came from But it was fantastic It was so good Yeah so we took a boat to the bar in the middle of the ocean And we spent some Solid beach hours We clocked some good hours on the beach From like 10am to 6pm Till sunset Guys Rhea was Reading a book That at one point she was so into I looked up from my chair She brought the book into the ocean with her

She was standing in the ocean reading the book, submerged up to her hips with the book. I looked at Matt. I went, oh, my God, she brought the book into the ocean. I didn't see it. He was like, she must really be liking this book.

I didn't say a word to anybody. I just got up. No, you just got up and took the book with you. Because there was a twist in this book. Yeah, you were reading The Housemaid, by the way. Yes, I was reading The Housemaid, which is the movie that Sidney Sweeney and Amanda Seyfried and Brandon Skelner are doing. That's the new Sidney Sweeney

Yes. Press move. The new PR move with Brandon is him tossing her around. Yeah. So I'm reading this book. I thought it was good. And, you know, I thought it was pretty predictable in the beginning, but still good. I was enjoying it and it was interesting and a good thrill. But then it gets to a point where there's a twist and

And I literally had to remove myself from everybody else and go read this twist in the ocean. I was like, so I, you know, when you're reading a book and you don't like to think too far ahead, but you kind of spoil it for yourself a little bit.

So could I- There's people out there that like read the last page of the book before they finish the book. Crazy. You could have probably, if you put the book down and thought really hard about what this twist was going to be, you probably could figure it out. Yeah. But I wasn't thinking that hard about it. So when it came across my desk-

I had to go take a little walk into the ocean and just, you know, read it all in there. But I was captivated. I had to immerse myself literally and physically into the ocean. But no, it was so incredible. So relaxing. Really was. Mixed with a lot of fun. Yeah. We hit the casino a couple times. Lost money. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Casinos, it's hit or miss, hit or miss. I was having a pretty good time. That is what they're known for. That is definitely hit or miss. Casinos are hit or miss. I had a pretty good time at the casino. I was on a nice run with Roulette. I will say, we haven't been in many casinos together. I got a real good sense of what casino-ry is like. And you clearly, like, it's like, it's like, ah, yeah.

20 more dollars. Come on. Come on. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There are some times I was like, she's not going to, she's not going to stop. No, I know. And that is why I don't enter casinos often. Yeah. It's really vacation. Yeah. Yeah. As a casino. Yeah. But yeah, all of us walked the last time we went to the casino, all four of us walked out like, all right, we probably could have, we could have left. We got some losses.

We probably could have not shown up to the casino. Yep, yep, yep, yep. But no, it was so much fun. It really was a blast. I mean, the food was just...

Thursday night, that meal was unbelievable. Thursday and Saturday. We went to two places in case people are going to church. In case Kate goes checking it out. Got to go to Infinity. Went to Infinity. We went to Marine Room. And Vita Rock House. And we went to Vita Rock House. And we went... Rock House, by the way, just a beautiful resort. Like, stunning. And Deconc Shack. Deconc Shack. For the Wednesday night party. We went to Deconc Shack on Wednesday night. And...

Somehow got in there because the way they talk about this place is that you cannot Wednesday night party night. Yeah. Wednesday night. There's live music. Fire. There's fire. The fact that we saw somebody eating fire twice in one week. Yeah. I had a moment where I was like, okay.

You know, this is, this is a lot. This is awesome. Why? Like it's, it's sick, but I had a moment like, this is incredible. Like we've really experienced some outstanding things in the past two weeks. Absolutely. It was just like, I couldn't be more grateful in that moment. I was like, wow, this is, this is incredible. Can't believe it's my life. No,

By the way, we just planned this entire episode. Like, we're sitting here. We were talking about everything we were going to talk about in today's episode. Neither of us once. Now I just remembered right in this second. Jonas Con. Oh, my God. Just like we were about to put out an entire episode and not mention Jonas Con. Well, okay. So enough about our vacation, which was 10 out of 10. Last thing I want to say about the vacation. Thursday night, guys, I couldn't believe my eyes.

I look out in the distance. There's this big orange fireball on the horizon. I'm like, what the heck is that? We're watching, we're watching it. And then we're kind of going back to our dinner. And then we see the sparks, like the lights that it's like, I don't even know. I mean, all I can describe is a rock. I mean, a rocket exploded. It was the SpaceX launch. And I couldn't believe it was all the whole thing fall apart from the sky. I saw your story and I'm like, wait.

Is that what that was? It was. I couldn't believe it. And watching Fran's reaction to this was incredible because we saw this happen and Fran was like, guys, what is that? Is that fireworks? They're just staying in the sky? And we're like, there's no way that could be fireworks. And then we hear the waitress tell the other table, oh, that's SpaceX. And...

We were like, what? SpaceX? Fran starts doing her digging. Scientist Fran finds out all the information and clarifies it for all of us. Gave us a nice little lesson on what just happened. And it was incredible that we saw it happen in front of our eyes. And then I was looking at it more this week too. It was crazy that it really disturbed...

in Florida. People had flights were canceled or delayed and things in South Florida because of debris falling from the sky from the rocket. I guess this happened not that long ago also with SpaceX and debris like washed up on the beach in Turks and Caicos. And so like our our

Our waitress was like, yes, the Rockets again, SpaceX. I was like, oh my God. That is crazy. I was nerding out. I couldn't stop talking about it. It was so funny. I can't believe we just saw that. No, it was incredible. Fran's reaction was the best. I just kept bringing it up at the dinner table. We'd move on to other subjects. I would bring it back to the Rockets. No, it was amazing though because it's like, oh, I need to learn the information about what's happening here. But we all truly had such a fantastic time together. I mean, just a 10 out of 10 vacation. The last day we were like...

this is so incredibly sad that we are wrapping this up but it was uh one of my one of my sadder departures from a vacation i mean we've had plenty but this was this one there this one was really sad because the the four of us really made the most of every second like it was like we soaked it all in and made it for what it's worth so 10 out of 10. but huge thing that happened last week which

It was kind of quick. It was kind of quick moving with Jonas Con. So we talk about Jonas Con on this podcast. And we put out that video. Begged. I got it in my head. Begged. Manageria came out. You know, a little bit of threatening. Whatever. Whatever happened, happened. Yep. And we move along with our day. And Jonas management reaches out to, you know, the team here at Barstool. Yep.

And they're talking about having us involved in JonasCon in some way. Oh, maybe you guys do a little live podcast at the bar, something small. Maybe you have somebody on. I don't know if the brothers, they're busy that day. Who knows what's to happen? And then it escalates into us being on the Sky Stage at JonasCon, basically hosting each individual event on the Sky Stage at JonasCon. Yeah.

Talking with Frankie Jonas, talking with Big Rob, talking with the brothers themselves, entertaining the fans, doing guest trivia, doing fan trivia, Jonas Brothers trivia. It's going to be really fun. All-American rejects. All-American rejects. Jay Shetty. We're putting on an extravaganza. Yeah. And we are on the main stage of JonasCon. Because I've had some ladies reach out and say, well, where can we find you?

ladies we'll be on the main stage we'll be on the sky stage and so this was just an incredible like really whirlwind because this had we had the call with the team the day before we left for vacation last week we were not 100 sure when they were announcing whether it was going to be wednesday where we're going to put it on the podcast on wednesday we're going to wait till monday the announcement came out on thursday yeah uh and it just was like whoa you know trying to take it in it

Really, no words. It's such an incredible experience. And we're honored that we get to be a part of it. No, I really had a LeBron me moment on the beach, like, smiling through it all. I can't believe this is my life. Like, being like, oh, my God. It's so special. It means so much. I thank you guys all. So many kind messages. So many people were like, I'm so happy. Like, I know Fran's so happy. I'm so happy. I really, really am. I just...

Do not take that for granted at all. Us putting that video out there, obviously it gets noticed by you guys, but you are the ones that tag them, repost it, share it, and that got it into really more eyeballs on it. That got the attention on it. And to have this meeting and talk to them and talk about it

talk with the management guys I was geeking out a little inside baseball I was geeking out because Garbo was in the meeting and I played it really cool yeah you did and I hope he doesn't listen to this and think oh my god she was geeking out in that meeting he might but that's okay I mean

If you're an OG fan, like... They know. He knows I know that I know. Right. We know, you know. He knows. I know that he knows. I mean, we really do have the best listeners in the world, though. Truly the most supportive listeners, always behind our backs 1,000,000%. Anytime that we are like, oh my God, please, we want to do something, we have our listeners jump in and be like, you better let

the chicks in the office in or we will cause a fit which is honestly mouths don't get fed that is true the most loyal most supportive the best ladies in the world that are always behind us and have our back so we couldn't be more thankful for you guys because we wouldn't be able to do a lot of the things that we get to do without our listeners that's a fact we wouldn't be able to do really anything without our listeners so we love you guys so much thank you guys so much because this is truly an experience of a lifetime and

And I'm so excited for the event itself. You know, we really get to use our brains and come up with some creative things to do at JonasCon. So we'll have some surprises there. Hopefully we get to see a lot of your beautiful faces there. We do have some really cool merch that we're going to make that will be online after the event as well. So this whole thing is just super incredible. Yeah, I think that...

It's just an amazing full circle. Jonas Con to celebrate 20 years and getting to be a part of that and talking to them and talking to other people that have been in their lives for so long and having these experiences and seeing all the fans and having...

Really, I feel like I am on both sides of it, which is really so cool, is get to be on stage and have these moments and talk and interact with the crowds and everything. Because I would have also been on the other side of it. I'm getting emails too, like, don't forget to register. Because I was like, well, I had signed up immediately when it first came out. So it's amazing. I know that...

There are two sessions. I think, I know some people were like, well, what part are you? It's like where there's two sessions, we'll be at both on the Sky Stage at both.

and there's also Jonas Beach that's going on as well. The guys are bouncing back and forth, making sure everybody gets to see them and watch them and everything. So it's going to be really fun. They're doing a lot of cool things. They really, like, released the whole list, and it is at the American Dream Mall, and that mall has a lot going on in there. Yeah, there is. It really does. So it's just really cool what they're turning everything into. Mm-hmm.

In the mall and getting to be a part of it. I'm so excited. It's so cool. Oh my God, it's going to be so much fun. I am already like...

really gonna have to put my big girl pants on no you're gonna do amazing i'll you're a professional yeah but also dreams come in true as well it's really it's it's so amazing and um we couldn't be more excited and thankful to the jonas team for including us yeah seriously um it's gonna be just absolutely incredible so we'll keep everybody filled in once we get more information around that and uh we will be doing live podcasts there so yep what

What we record there will be released the next day on Monday for our listeners who maybe cannot go. We'll be able to watch it all. We'll record it all. We'll give you our best in there and we'll release that on Monday. So that is super, super cool. Super happy for you, Franny. Cannot wait to see you in your element. Jonas Con, here we come. Yeah, baby. Well, it's so funny because...

I've talked about this before, but my next door neighbors that I grew up with are right up there with Fran. I was like the biggest Jonas Brothers fans that I know. Like truly the biggest. Like I said, right up there with you. And my mom and their mom, whatever, they were talking and they were laughing. They were like, we always knew Maria was, you know, hanging out with you guys too much. And I was like, I mean, I wasn't keeping it a secret. I literally wrote...

on my wall I heart the Jonas Brothers like in small letters with next to like my Dylan Sprouse poster and like whatever but it is just so weird to think about your younger self now thinking about these moments like especially for you that

you know, your young, like your younger self dreamed of the moments of like that you would meet Nick Jonas and the Jonas brothers. And then now actually being a part of it. Yeah. I got super, I had super emo looking at photo, honestly, just like by my looking at photos on Thursday night of just old pictures, being at concerts, like, you know, 2008, 2009 was,

Really when I was like old enough to be at shows by myself kind of like that it was like oh our parents were like drop us off you know pick us up and and having those moments or thinking about how like.

You would go to different events or when Nick was on Broadway, wait out by the stage, have him sign my play. Like all these things that just like have lined up and moments that have happened have just been so exciting. And things that, you know, even just the progress of things that we've already gotten to do with them. And yeah.

that it comes to some like big build up that we get to be a part of Jonas Con is so cool. It's, it's, don't you wish you can go back and like tell your younger self like, oh, you're going to be on stage at Jonas Con. Yeah. Like what would you like? Oh my God. No, no. My younger self would be like, as Nick's wife. Yeah.

Well, of course you're going to be there. You're going to be married. I mean, we're married. So obviously I'm there. No, that's so funny. I mean, very funny story that Mare and Kim and Kel, Kim and Kel are the my next door neighbors and then Mare, their mom.

When they went to a Jonas Brothers concert one time, right in the front, Mare caught Kevin's sweat towel and still has it. And she was like, we were talking about this, and I'm like, I think I have to tell. I either have to bring the sweat towel with me or bring this up in some capacity and be like, by the way, there's a 50-year-old woman out there that owns your sweat towel. Yeah.

It's just so funny. You can bring it and put it, like, hang it in a frame. I'm sure there's some memorabilia that will be hung up in certain places. Bring it in a frame and have him sign the frame. That would be epic. So, so funny. Oh, my gosh. No, I can't wait. It is going to be such a blast. And I can't wait to see, like, all the fans and everybody's going to be just...

So Jonas-centric. We'll just be singing Jonas Brothers songs all day long. No, it's going to be so much fun. If anybody has any ideas for what to wear, should we wear Jonas merch? Should we wear regular outfits? Let us know what you think because we started thinking about that a little bit. And I asked Fran, I'm like, Fran, you got to break out an OG shirt. My problem is I just went through my whole closet. I did a whole clean out and

I mean, I would never throw it away. I have it all. It's just now packed away in a different location to kind of...

be used as a, I just don't have the space for it in my apartment, but like I'll always hold on to those, those early concert tees. Oh my God, I was going through, I was dying. The girls were laughing because I was like, oh, cape, cape. Must cape. Cape, cape. I was like, I understand maybe they don't fit here, but I have other places for them to go. Yeah. Cape. It's like my, my Nick Jonas and the administration, like,

ladies fit v-neck. Oh my God. Adult small slim fit. I was like keep. Wear it as a crop top. Absolutely keep. It's very funny. Obviously I'm holding on to those items and we'll have them forever but yeah I don't know. I don't know. I go back and forth of like what I'm sure merch always plays of course but

We could probably do like a cool outfit. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Give it, let us know. Let us know what our ladies think, what we should wear because we're going back and forth between merchant and cool outfit. But Fran, I'm so excited for you. Like you, it's like really just must be like a, just a, it's a weird feeling, but also incredible at the same time. It's hard to process. Like it's really hard to put into words. It's hard to even like know what,

verbal emotion can even really come to describe what the feeling is like, you know? If that makes any sense. It's like hard to put into words. It does. I mean, I feel the same way just being able to do these incredible opportunities. It never feels real. It never gets old and we never take it for granted. Every single time something like this happens, we're like,

What? Like it really is, you know, and I, and I've made fun of that before. Like when I talk about people getting not, well, I just mentioned this, like when people get nominated for awards, I'm like, don't be shocked.

you know don't be shocked that you were whatever but we had that moment yeah you know we've been doing this for you know seven years but still when we get to do cool things like this I'm like what us like it is just so it's so crazy and we couldn't be more thankful for the listeners for making it happen so we'll see you guys we'll see you at JonasCon baby we will see you

At JonasCon, super pumped up for what we have in store. So let's get into the rest of the episode. We are going to be talking about Harry Styles. Yes.

Harry Styles. Oh my God. I know because I'm so excited about this. Yeah. He is potentially locking in some dates at the sphere in Vegas. I will be there if it happens. So please, we really need more information on that. The summer. I turned pretty last season. We'll air this summer. Super exciting. Kylie and Timothy, you know, at the tennis tournament in Palm Springs, uh,

Club Chalamet, none too pleased. Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick are doing a little press tour for another simple favor, and it is quite awkward, as you can imagine. And we have the weekly watch report and two fantastic interviews with Dylan Efron and Grant the Bachelor. So let's get into it.

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This is super, super exciting news. It looks like Harry Styles is close to locking in 36 shows at the Sphere in Vegas, which would be the time that I would go to the Sphere of Vegas. I would do anything to make this happen. This is such an incredible thing for Harry Styles fans to experience the luxury of

I'm having this man potentially perform 36 shows at the Sphere. And this is great because it's not like it's a part of a tour. You know, he's finished his tour. This would be a nice little scramble of all his music. A residency at the Sphere. Like, this is so incredible. Please, Harry Styles, make this happen. I think, who wouldn't want to go see Harry Styles at the Sphere? I, yeah, it will be, I'm already like stressed thinking about it.

how to get tickets like that's where I'm already worried about 35 shows it's almost not enough I got chills when I first read this news I thought what an incredible thing because he just went on this long tour I mean 36 shows right it seems like a lot in theory is probably you know not even enough for all his fans to be able to attend 35 34 it's up to 35 35

Sorry, I keep saying 36. Right? Is that what I saw? 35 is like what was... The max, yeah. The number that was being reported. Okay. Hey, could be 45, but you know, they might have to add a shit ton more. How many days do you think he could go? Oh, I... Like... I feel like he could do...

He could do a hundred shows. Because how many did Adele do in Vegas? I mean, she was there forever. Yeah. Much... Actually, I don't know what the... I think she did like three a week or did the weekends. Very intimate venue, I believe, where Adele was. Really? It looked big. It wasn't at that theater in the MGM or somewhere? I don't know. Maybe just because the sphere seems ginormous.

that it feels so much bigger than anything else. I feel like it's not as big as... But it's not as big because it's so much screen. The first Harry Styles concert I ever went to changed my life, and I really feel like this one would again. This just... I mean...

Why do I feel proud of him? I'm like, oh my God, you're getting a residency at the Sphero. So happy for you, Harry. I do wonder what he would do with it, like with the screen, with the visuals. Oh, it would be incredible. But I feel like a lot of his performance is like running and like how much stage room is there to run around? Maybe he wouldn't run so much. Yeah, but think about like...

He could put himself on video. Yeah. And like make it, you know? Yeah. I would imagine Harry would have some amazing visuals. Oh, they would come up with some. Maybe he would play some of his music videos. Yeah. Some of the cool music videos. That would be very cool too. Adore You. That would be a cool music video. Yeah, to like play some on the screens. Oh, I mean that's going to get me. I know we were joking not that long ago about how it's like,

Fish, Grateful Dead. That's like everything that's been in Street Boys. Yeah, like Harry Styles will get me to the sphere. No questions asked. 100%. I'll spend the dollars. Yeah, I mean, this is just so cool. I really just got chills all over my body when I read this because literally, like you said, we had just been talking about what would be the show. And Harry...

I mean, we talk about all the dream shows all the time. I mean, my dream show still is Miley Cyrus, like doing, you know, the whole thing, doing an era as Miley Cyrus. And if she did a residency at the Sphere, I'd be there. But Harry Styles at the Sphere, oh my God, I'm already on my way. Yeah. I'll camp outside right now. Seriously. Seriously.

I think he might be putting, I know there's a lot of rumors floating around about new music for him. I was just thinking it's been like three years now. I mean, he just ran a marathon in Japan. He did run a marathon. Congrats to Harry. In a great time also. Congrats to him. He can really do it all. He's in great shape. Well, I mean, it probably prepares you when you're running around on stage for three years straight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get that stamina up. Totally. You're like, I'm going to run this marathon easy. Right. He's like, no training involved. I'm just going to run the Tokyo Marathon. Right. I'm just going to hop on because I just really,

ran across the stage for how many shows. Now I could just do this. I can't imagine. Like, imagine you're running a marathon. You're thriving. You're struggling at the same time. You're doing all these things. You're feeling all the emotions you do when one runs a marathon. I don't know what those emotions are like. And you turn to your left.

You might be listening to Harry. And you just see Harry Styles running beside you. I'd be like, because nobody even really knew he was doing that. It was just like, bam, here he is running the Tokyo Marathon. You're listening to the Fine Line album. Statistically speaking, someone in that marathon was listening to Harry Styles. Oh, 100%. And they just see him. They're listening to the Fine Line album from beginning to end to get them through the, you know, however many minutes. Yeah.

and then you see Harry running past you. And you probably feel like you're hallucinating. Yeah. And you're like, because you're running so much, you're like, am I so out of breath that I'm hallucinating Harry Styles running next to me? Because that guy just really looked like Harry Styles. And then you're off your game. And Harry's far ahead of you in the marathon, and your game's all messed up because now you're wondering, is that Harry next to me?

Yeah. Your pace slows down. You're texting your friends. Is Harry running the marathon? Very, very confusing. You've lost the... Well, now you're just running after him at that point. I feel like people in their prime, like Harry, though, don't usually do a Vegas residency. He's like... You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. No, historically, residencies are for... Not like out of there. Like, Adele is still like...

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Adele is young. No, she is. But it just seems like it's an interesting move. I would almost say like kind of random. I'm all happy about it. I think that's kind of what the sphere was like made for. Yeah. I feel like the sphere is sort of random. Yeah, it certainly is. Like, I don't think it necessarily is. It doesn't feel Vegas. Vegas residency. Right. You're not like going to a hotel or casino and going to watch movies.

Didn't John Summit just perform at the Sphere? I think he did, yeah. Oh, did he? And John Summit's in his peak right now. Yeah. Yeah. I think the Sphere is kind of made for whoever wants to play at the Sphere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Oh, that's so sick. So happy for you, Harry. Maybe it's true. We went to...

We went to a restaurant for Gia's birthday to vinyl steak. And they have like this massive collection of vinyls and everything. They play it in the restaurant. And because it was Gia's birthday, they're like, oh, you can pick an album to play. And she got to like look through everything that they have. And very, you know, what you would expect, like rock and roll vibes. Like all, there was no Taylor Swift. It was what she had initially looked for. Disappointing. But,

They did have Harry's House and we like listened to the whole thing in the restaurant. It's just, it's so good. I really am looking forward to hopefully a new album this year. I would think that it would be coming. I am looking forward to a new album because Harry's House really was not my favorite at all. Yeah, and I loved Harry's House. I love all three.

Yeah, I mean, they're all, yeah. Yeah, I mean, the first one is also incredible, too. Yeah, yeah. So. Well, congrats, Harry. We are rooting for this to be true, because if it's not, we will be. Imagine if they're like, nope. That was a lie. Yeah. It would be quite disappointing. Yeah, that would suck. Dreams crushed. Moving on, the summer I turned pretty, the last season will air this upcoming July. Oh.

uh you know the final wrap to this show it was weird summer not having it aired this past summer i think people missed out on that you know no season of the summer i turned pretty feels like it was terrible it feels like strange summer now this summer we will be getting the last season and uh excited to see where this ends up well you know the books people know yeah no but i didn't read the book so i don't know yeah yeah

I do know. Yeah. And it makes me more excited to watch. Because you know when it just gets, it gets the anticipation. And it was so nice when it was like year after year. You knew it was coming and then it sucked that we didn't get it last summer because I'm just dying to get the end and the way it all wraps up and the things that happen. So I'm very excited for...

The third season. My favorite lately. I just get chills every time. And it plays with like the Taylor Swift song plays. You're just like, oh my God, it's coming back. My favorite lately is the talks about how fucking crazy it is that she really is bouncing back between two brothers. Two brothers. Yeah. Like, yeah. You know, as a show, as a book. Yeah. It's perfect. It's the perfect story. But people really love to put it into like real life. Put it into real life.

where it's like, sometimes it's just nice to pretend that things are... They're not real life, so we don't have to act like this is real life. But people are like, it really is fucking crazy that she's just going back and forth between two brothers. It is. It's a crazy back and forth. It definitely is. Like, this wouldn't fly in real life. No. But we don't have to act like it would because...

It's not. It's not real life. No, you'd be like, wait, I thought you loved him forever. Now you're going to date his brother? Like, are you well? Right, no. People would seriously be checking in. Yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure. But honestly, seeing the announcement again, really, I think I got to do a rewatch. Rewatch, for sure. And I watched the first season like multiple times.

Because when it first came out, I watched it so fast. And I was like, six months later, I watched it again before the second season came out. And then the second season, I only watched once. So I think I had to do one and two over again. Ugh. I remember the first season that I watched. I was like, this is the worst best show I've ever seen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was...

Bad but so good. And that's the kind of TV show that is right up my alley. Absolutely. That is the perfect show. I do have to do a rewatch for the second though because I kind of like watched and sort of forgot about it. But I gotta do it. July's gotta come back. I can't wait for like a, I need like a trailer. I can't wait for them to release a trailer. A trailer drop. What Taylor Swift song do you think they're gonna use? So High School. Ooh.

that's a good one i don't know something yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but if you were to go yes it would probably be a little bit more dramatic i'm trying to think sometimes they go they go so moody maybe something from midnights i wonder if she like um or or ttp day right like really recent maybe like what if it's a new one

Didn't she like, didn't she premiere like a re-record for the first season or something? But Daddy, I love him. Honestly, now it's kind of hilarious to think of the show just in context of Taylor Swift songs. Yeah, still high school might be too bubbly, but maybe it'll be in the show. Yeah. You never know. Yeah. Oh, there's so many good ones. But then we'll get two. I'm going to get you back. Ooh. Ooh.

Are we going to do the, what is it called? Sound mixing? Oh, for what? Like picking the songs. Oh, oh. What's it called? Like what's the correct? Wait, for picking songs? Like when you were putting songs into a show or a movie. Score? The score. The score. Yeah, that's the word I was looking for. We're not mixing any sounds. The score. The score. Sorry, I knew that that was the word. Yeah, yeah. Close. I was just working on the delay right now. We are, we are. We absolutely are. Working on a delay. The score. Yeah. We would be picking the score.

Moving on, Kylie and Timothy. Timothy rocking no stache now. Kylie grabbing his face, giving him some smooches. And Club Chalamet, none too pleased. Guys. None too pleased. Now, for those that don't know Club Chalamet, we always joke about Club Chalamet because Club Chalamet is supposedly Timothy's biggest fan. But...

Club Chalamet also has a lot to say about Timothy and his personal life. Quite often. She does not approve of Kylie. She does not approve of Kylie. And she posted all of these stories of guys like leaning away from a girl kissing them. Like being grossed out by a girl kissing them. Insinuating that's how Timothy would feel about Kylie. Now, I think one thing needs to be made clear to Club Chalamet is that Timothy Chalamet

really likes and possibly loves because they've been together for a few years now Kylie Jenner yeah they are in a full-blown relationship he brings her everywhere they do all the events together they show each other lots of affection they have a legit relationship yep that club Jalame refuses to acknowledge is real she does

If she was a true fan of Timmy, wouldn't she be happy for him if he's happy? Yeah, I don't know. What is her reasoning?

I think it's just the reputation of the family, I think. Because she was fine with his past girlfriends. Well, actually, I don't know. Club Chalamet really only came onto the scene for me during this Kylie era. I don't know what she was like during the previous relationships. Right, the Lily Rose Depp era, the Aiza Gonzalez makeout, who knows? I'm sure she didn't approve of those. I think Club Chalamet

Won't approve unless it's her. Right. You know, like I think Club Chalamet will have a problem. Also for some context, Club Chalamet is definitely an older woman. Club Chalamet is an older woman because she had that post. I mean, she has a picture of her face on Instagram. Yeah, and she had that very bad 9-11 post. Yes. Yes. I don't remember that. I don't remember it exactly, but it was something along the lines of her talking about...

getting offered a job in the building and not taking it. And so people were like, oh, she was old enough to be worried. That's how people figured out her age. Right. Was from that post. I think this, I think it was either this past September or the September prior when she posted about it. But it was a straight, it was a,

Sort of an insensitive post where she was like, I wasn't there because I didn't take the job. Right. Sort of thing. Because this post is from December 11th, 2023. And it is her face with Timmy that she went to the L.A. Wonka program. Can I see? And it is. I've actually never wanted to see her face. It's pinned to her profile. I've never. Yeah. I mean, that's her. Yes. Yep. So she posted pictures of Timmy.

At the tennis. Kylie's obviously not in them. Now that all the reshoots for Marty Supreme is complete and that crummy awards season is over, Timothy was spotted at Indian Wells watching tennis. Life goes on. That was her caption. Oh, bloody. That was her caption. But literally, it's like, look at how these pictures are. She caught some. I mean, being of that grown age.

She's got her own logo. Being of that grown age and acting. Double C, probably cool. And acting the way she does towards Timothy and his relationship. Yeah. Is a bit worrisome. I would buy Club Chalamet merch. Like if she had merch, I would rock it. You would just join the club? That'd be pretty sick. Club Chalamet. Club Chalamet, it's a good name. Yeah. Club Chalamet is a good fan page name. Right. Yeah.

It'd be good for like if Timmy did his own merch, you know, his own stuff. If Timothee was like join Club Chalamet. She probably has it trademarked. For sure. For sure. So yeah, like literally she posted three stories of like women grabbing like men's face and like trying to kiss them and the man like not wanting the advance. So fuck. And...

Then she did post the picture of Kylie and she put a slurpy emoji over her face. Like it's just a slurpy and wrote, now imagine if the roles were reversed. You would feel differently, wouldn't you?

Like if a guy was doing that to a girl, it's like, well, they're in a relationship. They're in a relationship. What the fuck do you mean? They're in a relationship. They're dating. It's okay. They're in love. I would go as far as to say they are in love. And she was just giving him little kissies. They're allowed to kiss. Yeah. And yes, maybe in that moment he wasn't like making out with her back, but like it was, she was just giving him a little smoochy. She was giving him a smooch. He was feeling the love. She gave him a smooch.

God, God, kills me. It's really fucking insane. It's actually insane to be acting that way. It's concerning. Sometimes I'm like, should we be talking about her? No, right. And then it's just, sometimes it's hard. It's just the first thing I see. If she's so obsessed with him, and obviously she'd probably one day want to meet him, it's like you've ruined this chance for yourself. Well, they have. They were just together at the premiere. But that was 2023.

Oh, but yeah. She went to the premiere. I believe she snapped a selfie with him. I think there's other events. She may have been at other... She's already met Timothee. ...premieres and things. She's not like, I'm Club Chalmon. Yeah, I don't know if they sat down and had a conversation. But by the way, there's no way Timmy doesn't know about Club Chalmon. Timmy knows who Club Chalmon is. Didn't they make a joke on SNL? He's online. Oh, I don't know. Did they? Maybe not like the episode that he hosted, but I feel like I remember that. Maybe not. I don't know, but I... There's...

He is aware of like, I feel like he's aware of online things. There's no way he doesn't know about a clip shot. It's really just concerning. It's yeah.

it really makes me stop in my tracks. That post really just made me stop in my tracks. Like Kylie can't just give him a little kiss. A little smooch. I know. Meanwhile, everybody else saw the pictures and were like, oh, so sweet. It is sweet. I really love their relationship. I love that they do the events together. Indian Wells. Well, speaking of Indian Wells, that's where Matt was playing against Djokovic, which is

I mean, one of the best time slayers in the world. Literally ever. I will preview the video. It's insane. Yeah, it's great. Like, it's... I'm so happy for Matt. Like, truly just incredible. Like, really, actually insane. And he really, like...

looked like a professional tennis player. Let me tell you. He had the bag on, his back with the rackets. Oh my God, the video of him signing autographs. And fans were, autographs, everything. I was like, he really looks like a famous tennis player right now. He does. He looks the part. He plays the part. Wow.

He came because he was doing this on Wednesday and we got to Turks and Caicos on Wednesday. He came in Thursday morning. So me, Fran, and Joe were watching these videos he was sending me of signing all these tennis balls, people taking selfies with him. Did he come to Turks and Caicos with tennis gear? He gave me the tennis ball. Yeah.

He tossed me the tennis ball. I was like, I'm keeping this. It's just so funny too. It's like thinking about the fans that you, you know, a tennis matches, they get the giant tennis balls and they have people sign all over the tennis ball.

And just thinking about the fan that's going to have that giant tennis ball and all over it's going to have all these signatures and then right smack dab on there is just going to be like Marty Mush. But Fran and I were saying his tennis, he should go by Matt Cahill for tennis. I said he should have signed the autographs Matt Cahill to be like Matt Cahill, famous tennis player. Because Matt Cahill sounds like he's good at tennis. Right, exactly. Marty Mush. They're like, oh, who's this funny tennis persona? It's like,

go go buy a real name for tennis and you know who knows what's to happen yeah but the videos were so fucking funny so good um and seriously amazing when it comes out everyone has to watch that like truly no words yeah so happy for him um but you know kylie and timothy weren't able to see that they didn't miss that yeah they were they missed that match yeah imagine all of a sudden it's like he looks up in the crowd it's tim timothy and kylie they're like up on their feet cheering for him yeah they're like mad

We want your signature. Big fan. Big fan. So good. It was so cool. Moving on. Super awkward, to be completely honest. Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick. I actually almost said Anna Kendrick like you did before. Yeah, I don't know why I did that before. We were talking before and Fran said Anna Kendrick. Now it's coming off my tongue as Anna as well. But they were doing press for another symbol. Yeah. Go away, Anna. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

They were doing press for another simple favor and someone asked Anna Kendrick, what's it like working with Blake Lively? And she said, oh, you know, not a good response for Blake Lively. Just an actually bad response for Blake Lively. Right. But it's tough. If you're Anna Kendrick, what do you say? You're just like...

Great. Like, I don't know. Like, it's just a it feels like a lose lose because any question she has is asked. It's going to be absolutely torn apart in every direction. People are either going to love it or hate it. Probably hate because if it's anything positive about Blake, people are going to hate it.

And then you're just like, what do you do? What do you say? It's like, and then you're also promoting a movie that you're both in. So, and you want the movie to do well. So you can't just be like, ah, sucks. And then like all the people online be like, yeah, she said it. It's like, no, no. The last thing,

Anna Kendrick wanted to be in the world was that premiere. Let's be honest. When she was getting asked these questions, she got asked a question where she was like, how do you feel? Everything that's going on in the world. She was like, I took an ayahuasca trip. What happened? And then she walked away. It was just, I think Anna Kendrick, she was- It's hard to navigate. It's hard to navigate. She was doing her best on that carpet. And Blake Lively acting like-

All is fine. It's just tough because there was a lot of TikToks that were made of like the same question being asked to both of them back to back. So it was like, what's Blake like? What's it like working with Anna again? She's like, oh, amazing. And it was like, Blake, what's it like? I mean, Anna, what's it like working with Blake again? Oh, you know. Yeah.

But it's also the way she's like, oh, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know. Yeah. Right. It was... And do you either just ignore the question, do the answer? Yeah, exactly. It's...

It's a very tough situation to be in. And honestly, every little thing about... We haven't talked about it in a while because there's just been a lot of legal updates and things. And this person wants this dismissed and that dismissed. It's going to be ongoing for quite some time, which we have said. But Blake is going to get torn apart for every...

every little thing I saw one tweet that was like oh gosh it was just something about being like her like ego egotistical like it's just like big words to really talk about the fact that she had a what they thought was an outfit change for the for the carpet somebody retweeted it was like you know the hate for Blake is real when they're when they're throwing out these words for literally a woman taking off her jacket on the car on the

It was just a jacket that was over her dress. But no, she's getting crushed. And Paul Feig, Feig? Feig? Feig. I'm going to go with Feig. Feig. F-E-I-G. Yeah, the director. Whatever you would pronounce that. The director of the movie. This person on Twitter, Melanie King, who's had a lot to say about Blake, very anti-Blake.

wrote blake lively and anna kendrick before they walk the right carpet at the south by west south by southwest another simple favorite premiere it was a picture of the whole cast um they were taking a selfie i just reported on blake being terrified to walk the carpet as anna is pissed and never wants to work with her again laughy face emoji and paul retweeted that wrote um dot dot dot you're wrong so i feel like it's been tough for people to

to either it's like they either say the wrong thing or they don't say something or they want to say something and they don't want to say something and it's it's tough it's going to be it's going to be a tough movie for them to promote

It is. It's going to be a long promotion and I'd imagine Anna Kendrick wants this movie just to come out and really not be a part of any more promotion going forward. It's just a tough thing to navigate. It's like you got to be at the premieres. You want people to watch the movie. You do a movie, you want people to watch it. Yeah, they can obviously do press separately if that's how it goes, but

they're really it's going to be tough to for like the premieres when they're walking the carpet together and everything. Did they take any pictures together? Yeah. Yeah. They did. Right. They did take pictures together. Yeah. I feel like

Blake didn't stuff Anna Kendrick in the basement. Right. Also true. I just feel like Anna's like, this is not my fight. Like, we're good. Right. Well, you're kind of like, let me just... Well, I mean, there were rumors about Anna Kendrick and Blake Lively not getting along in the first Simple Favor. Wasn't that more about Anna? I think it was just they equally just didn't get along. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You never know when people talk about the stuff on set. Yeah.

Because I've, like, we had Anna Kendrick in here. I loved her. I thought she was amazing. Well, I loved her too, but maybe... But there has been rumors about her being tough for years. But maybe that was Blake's camp, putting it out about Anna before Anna could put it out about Blake. No, even, I'm saying before that. Oh, really? Like, not during this time. Like, I'm saying way, like, way before that. So...

and i didn't like i thought anna was awesome when we had she was incredible she was one of my favorite guests we've ever had yeah yeah she was really really should get her back in to talk a simple favor yeah we should i wonder if it'd be interesting if they're like that's something i see publicists being like hey we really don't want to we're not going to talk about we're not going to talk about you no blake questions yeah oh for sure no blake questions i mean you're always in the context of blake and justin yeah i mean you're gonna want to you're

You're doing that movie. You're Anna Kendrick. You don't want to go into an interview and have everyone just ask you about that. I'm in this movie. I'm an actress, also a director now. Ask me about myself. We don't have to fucking talk about this. Totally. You're going to set some boundaries on that.

And I think that wraps up the topics. We'll see what happens. I will watch the movie. The trailer looked good. Did you watch it, the trailer? Yeah, I really liked the first one. And the trailers looked good. Yeah, I'm not opposed to watching a movie in Capri. It looks stunning. For sure. Beautiful scenery. All right, that wraps up the topics.

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All right, let's get into the Weekly Watch Report where we talk about the things we watch this week. Weekly Watch Report on Monday. Weekly Watch Report on Monday. Weekly Watch Report on Monday. Weekly Watch Report on Monday.

Traders. We talked about a lot with Dylan, so we won't really do much talking about it here. But hey, you know, solid. Really happy with the ending. Really solid for the good guys of the show. I thought it was just poetic and I was happy for all of them individually for winning that. And what a shock.

That Brittany wrote Danielle's name down. Once again, she did it to her. Absolute stunning turn of events, but incredible television. I didn't need any drama from the rest of the Faithfuls because I thought that that alone did enough. Absolutely. I agree. I agree. We didn't need any more drama than that. It was good because it really did feel like the Traitors...

did just kind of turn on each other yeah the whole season and the faithfuls really stayed faithful and loyal to each other which was like a storybook ending really it's like once the traders like showed themselves or played their cards and everybody could see it was the faithfuls were like okay we got you it was quite beautiful i really it was i thought it was a solid i loved seeing them share that moment i did too i was so happy for them especially like

Like, oh, congratulations to Gabby and Robbie who are married, by the way. That was so cool when she talked about, when Gabby said maybe we'll get married and now they're married, which is so cute. So happy for them. They are the cutest and so funny together. Absolutely love. Yeah.

So, so happy for Gabby. Congratulations. And then just like Dolores, Dylan, Ivor. It's a great group of people to win. So congratulations to all of them. A. Solid A. All around for Traders. Fantastic season. It really was. And I thought the reunion was good too. Yeah, reunion. It was good. You know, the, he said, you know this, but

Thursday night when we came home I was like I gotta back to the hotel I was like I've got I put my VPN on to try to watch the episode and when Joe was out on the balcony and when Brittany flipped and it said Danielle I literally I yelled oh fuck and he like threw the door open and was like oh my god are you okay like so worried for me and I was like

Then he looked at where I was on the bed with my iPad in my lap and he goes, oh my God, was it the traders? I was like,

Yeah, sorry. He looked at me and didn't say a word, just closed the door again. Big moment. Big. It warranted. It warranted the reaction. I almost full-blown screamed. Yeah, I mean, warranted the reaction. It was insane. Incredible television. I love the reunion too. It was fun. I love that Andy Cohen does the reunion. Oh, I mean, who else would do a better reunion than Andy? I like that he called out Dolores immediately. He's like, you got eight out of ten votes wrong. Yeah.

But I, but like. You're just comfortable with Dolores. It is. And I just love, I just love Dolores. So no matter what, even though that was the way it went for her, when she was talking to Carolyn and she was like,

And you're like number seven, like so serious. Like you're like number seven on Cameo right now. That's huge. Yeah, Dolores is so sweet though. So sweet. I love her. I really do. It's, you know, there's some silly parts. I feel like the housewives do try and stir it up a little bit and it's like, eh, fine. Right. But I thought it was good. That's their forte. Yeah, it is. Summer House, I will give like a B minus. Just the same old, you know,

Kyle song and dance fighting with Paige and yep fighting with somebody fighting with somebody he's always fighting with somebody and then you know Amanda has to answer for her husband and we're all exposed to feel bad for him right and it's I never do and yeah whatever yeah I watched juror number two on the plane ride home and I would give it a C plus I thought it was good but I thought it could have been more no only for a little bit

No, I really, I really, no, I just was in and out a little bit. I think it would move even slower because I thought it was, you know, but I, I saw a lot of it, fell asleep a little bit in the middle, but I still saw a lot of it. Um, it was good. I just felt like they're, they could have done more with it. Like I liked the premise of it, but I thought it was a little slow. It definitely was. Hence I fell asleep a little bit. Um, also I watched conclave on the way there and fell asleep. Yeah.

Also warrants it I think Maybe you shouldn't Watch movies on a plane No the beginning And here's the thing The first 45 minutes Of Conclave moved pretty slow For me as well I actually don't usually Sleep on planes I'm not gonna lie I dozed off a little Watching the first The beginning of Conclave But I was interested So I kind of was bummed That I fell asleep On the way there So I can't really I can't grade it Because I fully fell asleep It looked like the Pope Was participating In some Ash Wednesday Activities Yeah God dammit Yeah And that's it

Yeah, my weekly watch report this week is like things I want to watch but haven't watched. Right, I have a whole... I actually was going to come with a list of things. Oh, I watched The White Lotus last night. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I have to be completely honest. Like, I am bored. I actually liked this episode the most. I mean, yeah, it was the most, I think... It's hard to... Like, I know it's picking up. Yeah. And so I don't hate it. I don't dislike it. It's just not as...

As the other seasons I feel like picked up a little bit more a little bit quicker. This last night's episode I think picked up the most. And so we're obviously on to something here. I'll give it a B. It's just still a little bit slow. Yeah.

Definitely. But I do enjoy the dynamics of each group. Yeah. Like I really do enjoy all the group dynamics. But the ending of this episode, I'm like, what's going to fucking happen at this moon party next week? So the ending did get me. The writing is just so good. It is. That had some LOL moments. Parker Posey has been so good.

So good. She is so... Every time she opens her mouth, I laugh. No, it's so good. The mom. Oh, the mom. Yeah, yeah. She's really good. I mean, the group of three women are hilarious. I mean, all of the dynamics are great, and the writing is really, really good. Yeah, it is. I'm just like... Yep.

You know, there were a couple things this episode where things happened, but I want something big. This season is different because a lot of it is, like, happening outside of the White Lotus. Like, in terms of the dad. Like, all that drama is, like, not happening inside. Like, we don't even know what's going on. Right. I think that's why I'm like... But I will say, theme song grew on me. I'm really feeling the theme song. Yeah, and they threw the OG in there towards the end. Yes. The end of the episode, they put the original, like...

Which was which was great. I would give it a B as well. I'd actually give it a B plus White Lotus and

Yeah, I'm very intrigued. The full mood party is going to be insane. Yeah, yeah. But just the scenery is incredible. Oh, yeah. It's making me really want to go. The visuals of that boat going through the water with the islands and the... Oh, my God. It looked stunning. I was cracking up when the ladies went to the other hotel and it was all old people and she was like, ugh! Ugh! Like disgusted by all these... By the older people. Yeah.

And yeah, I, I, the, the dad like getting the gun. I was like, Oh, like there's just like all the little things are starting to line up for sure. Um, it's going to pick up next week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gary Gregg's identity being kind of unveiled and having that happen to putting those, putting those pieces together. It's all going to be very interesting. I have so much that I want to watch. Haven't watched. Like we were on vacation. Um,

But I watched My Fault London on the plane there. So did I. So did I. I watched My Fault London, which I've gotten a ton of DMs about of people being like, Fran, you gotta watch this movie. It's right up your alley.

It was. Same. It absolutely was. I loved it. Actually, I watched it and then you were like, I'm watching My Fault in London and I was like, oh, I watched it. And you were like, oh my God, we didn't even talk about it. I was like, you didn't even tell me? I watched it. I cozied on up on Monday or Tuesday night and I watched it. I'd give it a B. Like, I enjoyed it. Like, it was... I would do the same. It's obviously silly, but I enjoyed it. Very silly, but enjoyed it. And also London, you know? Anything, like, you'll sell me with anything with London. Yep, yep, yep. And like...

Yeah, the whole premise was wild. When I first saw the premise, I was like, oh boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. And it just kills you when that like happens and the parents are like, oh, like, run under your noses. They're getting pretty close, don't you think? Right, right. Your son just risked his life. He got stabbed for your daughter and you don't think maybe his little son. And like, they're like, oh my God, they must just really have connected as siblings. Yeah, yes. And then you're like, I don't know about that one. Right, right. He's speeding off to save, like, he seemed pretty fucking upset. Yes. You know,

I did very much enjoy it for sure. I watched two and three, episode two and three of Paradise. I know that it's over, right? Yeah. Season one, yeah. Yeah, season one. It got renewed. Yeah, it got renewed. But I'm really liking it, honestly. It's giving me that...

ABC vibe of those shows like Scandal, Revenge, those shows which I loved. It has that same kind of feel. I'm a little iffy on the constant timeline jumps.

It's hard to follow. Yeah, I look down for two seconds, all of a sudden it's 12 years ago. I'm like, where are we? You know, where it goes back and forth. But it is good. I hope I don't deter you with my finale review. Oh, you won't, you won't, you won't. Because now I'm locked in. You have to look forward to seven, at least. Well, now I'm locked in, I need to know what happens. You know, like I need to know what is going down. So two and three, I'll give a B+.

I enjoyed it. I thought it was good. I think I just watched episode three this week of Severance, season two, episode three. It was like last Monday night, so it's not super fresh in my brain. I can't even really fully remember what happened, to be honest, if we're going to be there. So, gosh, I don't even really remember what happened last night.

Well, clearly you loved it. Yeah. I just remember seeing people talk about season four. I mean, season four. Episode four. So the whole time I kept thinking like, oh, I wonder what's going to happen in episode four. I was just kind of like watching episode three. Oh, wait. Just kidding. It's coming back to me now. He's...

He's getting all reprogrammed the end of episode three. I thought that was very interesting. It's another show that's like an anticipation thing. It's like, come on. Which doesn't make me feel confident the way Noah's been talking about it either. I'll give that a B, episode three. And I watched, I got to finish Love is Blind. I can't believe I haven't even seen any spoilers yet, which is shocking. I'm sure I will very quickly.

I watched Ocean's Eleven on the plane home. It was really just in the casino mindset, you know? Really good. Are they making another? Did I see that? Oh, are they? Like with the original cast? Or am I making that up? I feel like that would have been bigger news if they were bringing the original cast back together. I didn't see that. Yeah, I mean, this says, yeah, they're talking about it. Oh. George Clooney says New Ocean's film is about the gang being too old to do the jobs.

Oh, damn. It's an interesting way to go about it. It's like, oh, we're making a movie that we're washed up. Yeah. That's an A movie. For sure. That's a really, it's a fantastic movie. And to be honest, I see like bits and pieces of it, but I don't know. I can't remember the last time I sat down and watched it start to finish. We talked about it because when I said I watched it the first time, you were like, I don't know if I have. Yeah, I don't know if I, yeah, so.

I enjoyed it. It really made me want to watch the rest. Yeah. So I'm going to have to do that. Yep. I definitely have not seen 12 or 13. 12 is great. Yeah. 13 is awesome too. And 13. I think all of them. Yeah. I think if I had to order it, it would probably be, I don't even remember 12 that much. It would be like 11, 13, 12 for me. Yeah, maybe 13 is what I'm talking about. Yeah. I forget. Maybe. That's it for me.

Okay. The White Lotus, just for the last two episodes, I'll give it B-. I actually am enjoying it, but it is slow. Yeah. And it's hard to not compare to the last two seasons where at this point I feel like-

It was more locking you in. It's always enjoyable. It's just not every season is going to be like right off the bat. A lot of the season is just like feeding you anxiety, I feel like, with this dad and everything where it's hard to not feel that way. Where I'm like, Jesus Christ. You know what's funny is I watch everything with the subtitles.

And the White Lotus really can just be summed up as every few minutes it just says, suspenseful music plays. And it comes up every time. And especially this episode, it was like, suspenseful music, suspenseful music, eerie music, suspenseful music. I like how the youngest brother has no backbone. Like,

she's like please be there for me tonight like I need you at dinner and then like five minutes later he's like I'm going to this party well he's just following Saxon you know I mean they're really heavy on the hear no evil speak no evil see no evil like that's heavily influenced especially they legitimately pan to the monkey the yeah of it right after the scene of that family so yeah

Who knows what's going to happen? The writing for Saxon is out of this world. It's crazy. When he had the, it was the, you know, vulgar, the cum line. I was like, bleh. No, I mean, there's some crazy lines. I mean, when it, and then it, they showed the monkeys with the, you know, hear no evil. Yep. And then Amy Lou Wood had a line where she said, like something in threes. She was like, threes are always, and I was like, okay,

These three siblings are gonna have a threesome. Yes, that's like there's gonna something's gonna happen with these three siblings together I don't know about her. Yeah, she feels out of it the two of the brothers No, but the girl I think is I think Piper is interested in Locke like I think I think Piper likes the younger brother I don't know. I think Piper's like you guys are gross. Yeah, I

I don't know. We'll see. I hope not. Yeah. Joe goes, that gun looked pretty small. Perfect for a monkey. Could be. Paradise finale, I'll give a C+. Like, it just fell off a cliff for me after episode seven, which I knew it wasn't going to be as good as that. How many episodes was it? Eight. Okay. Oh, okay. Um...

But it just, there was like a bunch of things that were just so ridiculous in this finale and it kind of just seemed like thrown together and being like, oh, well, we have a season two. But yeah, I don't know. I did not like how they wrapped it up. And like, it just felt way cornier all of a sudden where like seven was incredible and then eight is just like, what the fuck? Yeah. Which I was just wondering, I've been Paradise's biggest advocate. You can still be the biggest. I hope they come back. I did see that. I think that they're going to air the episodes on ABC now. Oh,

I don't know why, but I feel like that's going to make the show worse. I mean, it's all Disney, so. Yeah. I don't know. I'll give it a C+. I watched The Apprentice, the movie. Donald Trump movie. Very good. Very good, right? Yeah. Jeremy Strong is incredible. He's so good. Jeremy Strong, you know, he's just a great actor. He is. But him as a person, you know, when they panned him at their awards, it's like...

Like, I really do want to know how he is as a person in real life. The thing that people were saying, which I guess to a degree is true, and I love Kieran Culkin in Real Pain. Real Pain was my favorite movies of the year. But like, Kieran Culkin is kind of always just like playing himself in a way like or the same type of character. Jeremy Strong is like transforming himself. And like, you don't even see him in this really.

And yeah, it is tough because you're like, damn, he probably put a lot into this. Yeah, for sure. But very good. And Sebastian Stan was really good. So I'll give that a B plus. Traders, I'll give an A minus just because I'm happy. Like I was like, I audibly was like, let's fucking go and Daniel got out. But yeah.

Having no drama at the end, it was nice because I'm like, oh, they did it. But part of me is like after season two. Yeah, yeah. I felt like they had enough drama throughout the season. The ending was like nice. I think that turn from Brittany was enough. Also, they did build it up enough where I actually thought that Dolores was going to fuck it up again. Severance, this past episode. Uh-oh.

It's a C and I'm being generous because it's a C and I don't want people. I could have given in the D range and people would have come after me. This must have been eight. Yeah, this was eight. Eight. Guys, I just don't know. And I'm starting to see at least some other people online starting to say like, can we say this is not great? Or are people going to like attack us? Yeah, right. Which is true. People are going to come after you, but-

It's just so boring. I don't know what else to say. This entire episode was Patricia Arquette only about her. It's as if the show is just about her. I don't know, maybe five words the entire show were spoken. It was just so boring. You just don't understand the art. No, that's what people are going to say. Yeah. I mean, already I know that the show is not like my cup of tea. There are episodes that I'm like, wow, this is cool. But this episode, I just...

fair I don't know man I don't know fair and then I watched the first episode of the Celtics documentary on Max yep really fucking good and I know that if I say oh you don't have to be a Celtics fan to like it's really well done they get every single Celtic you could imagine he's they're in this they got everyone um

It's awesome. But I know that no one who's if you're not self-explanatory, you're probably not going to watch. I would. I just has my worst nightmare. It's really cool, though. No, I get it. I just can't stand this. You know, like, yes, but that's an A for me. Yeah. Like, I'm excited for that. It comes out on Monday. So.

That's all. Wonderful. Solid watch. Yep. There's a ton. We have a ton. Next week is going to be jam-packed. Yes. Because I got a lot. I want to watch the new Kate Hudson show. Yeah, I got a lot. I did start that, but I won't rate it. Yeah. Because I didn't really finish episode one. I've got a lot of TV time to clock. Me too. Me too. All right. That wraps up everything we watched.

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All right, everyone, we are here with a very special guest. You know him and love him from this season of The Traitors. Welcome, Dylan Efron. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. We're so excited that you're here. We're so excited about the way that this season ended. It was so, like, what's the word? Poetic justice. Yeah, yeah, like, we felt...

We felt we all won. You know? I feel like we were the good guys. Exactly. We felt like we were all faithfuls. How does it feel now that the show is over and everyone's seen how it's ended? I think there was some concern with the winners. We were like, are people going to be mad at us because we didn't start any drama? So it's been amazing that people aren't mad at us for not taking it down to two.

It's just, yeah, I love how much everyone loves the show because that's me. Like, I watched this show and I loved it. So it's cool to be able to be on the other side, honestly. Right. I mean, the four of you were who we were rooting for the most. I mean, especially towards the end, you have you, Gabby, Dolores, Ivor. What a fantastic group of winners. And you said you're nervous that, you know, you guys didn't start any drama at the end, but you guys were all so likable in the show that...

It's like, well, we got to be happy that these four won. Why would we want them to turn against each other in the end? Would have made great for great TV, but how can we not be happy? Oh, we would have been so sad. Yeah. Exactly. We would have been so sad. Imagine like Dolores was just like...

It would have been MJ all over again. We would have been like, oh no! Well, towards the end, I mean, Dolores was just flipping over whatever name she wanted, okay? And we love Dolores, but as a viewer, we're all getting a little frustrated. We're like, stick with the plan. How did you feel during those roundtables when you're trying to get a traitor out and Dolores is just, she just has personal feelings and she's writing them down. That was me earlier in the season, though. I was writing Gabby's name. Yeah. And no one was on it.

So what they, there's a lot that happens at the round table that isn't shown. So that last vote where Dolores wrote Tom, we sit down and Tom went on a 15 minute tirade. Like just, this is why Dolores is a traitor. It went on for 15 minutes. And then Dolores just says like, shut the fuck up. And then, and then we, and then we started talking about Brittany. So, so like, that's why she was so heated and voted Tom. Um,

But in the show, it just looks like it's petty. Yeah. Right. Well, because they kind of made it seem like both sides are petty. It just seemed like Tom was like, I really think it's Dolores. And there was no reason. No. And I don't even think he really thought it that much. Tom started to catch on at the end. Yeah. He was... Yeah. Well, Tom himself, when he...

was out, he was like, you know, I was the best player in this game, which was so funny and really entertaining to watch. You know, as viewers of all reality TV, you have your, you know, preconceived thoughts about Tom because of what he's done. But watching the show, I,

I think he weirdly won people over because people just started accepting him for who he is. They were like, he can really be awful, but he's having the time of his life on this show. And he plays that balance of like, is he in on the joke or not? Because like, sometimes, like when he's talking to the statue, like...

He has to be on the joke at that point, right? I don't think he is. That's why he's so interesting. I don't think he is. I don't think he's a self-aware man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it makes for great TV this season. The singing, the challenge where he had to sing backwards with the dolls and everything, was it as funny listening to him back as it was for us watching it? Oh, it's even funnier. So, again, like going...

Behind the curtain. Like, Alan tells us the rules read. And then we have about an hour until that mission starts. So as soon as he reads the rules, Tom just leaves. And is like, I need a cough drop. Medic, medic, I need a cough drop. And he's doing the vocal warm-ups. Like the lips. Yeah, you need to.

Yeah. And he's just singing like, and we're all like, Tom, just like, it's too early for this. We're not singing for an hour. Oh my God. That's what makes him so special. He saw his chance. He took it. This is my, this is my time to shine. I'm going to get scouted on the show for my singing. What made you interested in even doing traders? We know that you're a big fan of survivor. Do you love any other reality shows?

Yeah, I started watching Traders. I started watching like the UK version, Australia version. So I got hooked on that. I watched Deal or No Deal Island like on the way to playing the game. So it was like that was Boston Rob season. And then he like takes off his mask episode one. And I'm like, dude, you were just on my TV. Get out of here. I don't want to deal with you. So I was not going to let him in the castle at first.

Yeah, I like a lot of them. Like all the special forces. I'm a fan of that. It's fun when it's like real emotions. Yeah. Is this the first one that you've ever wanted to actually do yourself? You can be a fan of the shows and watch them, but it's a whole different ballgame when you're like, I actually want to play this one. I wanted to play Survivor too. But I'd also never applied like...

I think for me, I wasn't ready. I was watching at 12 being like, oh, I would win this. And then like, would I ever apply? No, like I wasn't quite, I don't think I was quite ready. So then this was the first year where I was like, you know what? Like this is nothing different than I do on social media. I'm playing myself, except I'm playing like at the biggest, like a kid's game at the biggest level. I was like, I can do this.

So this was the first year where I entertained doing a show and I'm happy I did. Yeah, I mean, it worked out for you, which is amazing. I think everyone was rooting for you. And it's true what you say, you know, you're watching Survivor as a kid. You're like, I could do this. And then you don't sign up because you're like, well, I don't want to test that. But for this, it really turned out amazing for you. How did you originally get approached or did you apply? Yeah.

I actually don't know. So I'm with UTA and they told me about the opportunity. So I have no idea. They might have DM'd me because I heard a lot of people got DM'd. Right. And you're like, yes, I'm in. And I had only watched the second season of the U.S. And like I watched it. I liked it. But I wasn't sure how much strategy there was. Like I love a lot of strategy and feeling like I can win if you're smart enough type thing. So then I was like not not on the fence, but I was like, I need to do more research.

I watched UK season two and was hooked. So then I like went down the rabbit hole and was like, oh, I'm doing this show. Right. What did you think of the comparisons that if you watch the second season, everyone thought you were really, you and Pilot Pete were like playing the same kind of game. I wasn't offended by it at all. Because like when I signed up to do the show, he was the one person I called for advice and was just like,

hey, I'm thinking about doing this show. Should I do it? It was a quick call. He was just like, dude, it was the time of my life. I really enjoyed it. Like, don't even think twice. Sign up. So hearing that from him, who I respected from that season, was like, all right, let's do this thing. Was it kind of crazy to watch back and see Parvati compare you to Pilot Pete? I was like, that was crazy. She clocked that. Oh, I heard it.

it they were chirping from over there I could hear everything they said did you get to a point where you were like okay I'm crushing this I'm on to everybody now people are gonna think I'm a traitor yeah

like that last round table with Brittany, she threw, like, I wasn't expecting that. Dolores told me right before we walked in that she was coming for me. And I was just like, what does she have on me? And so I, I, I wasn't expecting, you can tell I kind of got like defensive. I wasn't expecting her to come at me. Um, so no, like once I got Boston or sorry, once I got Bob, the drag queen, it really cleared my name. And all I was worried about was murders after that. I wasn't worried about getting banished.

It's amazing you didn't get murdered. Yeah, it is. That's so true. I mean, do you think that

Like, do you think you're obviously your friendship with Danielle played a big part in that? Most likely. When do you think you started to suspect Danielle or was it really not until the end? No, it was very like there was a very clear moment. Do you remember the murder in plain sight when Chris shell got murdered? Yeah. We woke up that day and that was when we first started playing the like, why am I still here game? Yeah. And it just became there's less people. So it becomes easier. Yeah.

And I was like, okay, I'm still here because Danielle's protecting me. Like, that's the only thing that makes sense. So then I'm in the car with Tom and we're like, all right, Tom, why are you still here? Who's protecting you? And we both came to the conclusion, it's Carolyn. And it was, it just made so much sense. It was like on camera, off camera. If anyone said anything slightly mean about Tom, Carolyn would step in and say, don't say that. He's a good person, all these things. So we were just like, oh my gosh, like Gabby would have killed us immediately.

day one like it just made so much sense it's not either like we were like we know it's these two we go that chessboard game and it was like so obvious they just kind of dug their own grave yeah i mean i think everybody watching was so proud of you for holding your own against danielle when she was you know begging and almost crying she's like please don't do this and you were like i'm gonna i'm

stick to this in that moment at the round table. Was there a moment where you were going to flip or were you always going to go Danielle? No, I wasn't going to flip, but it wasn't easy. It was like, I felt so bad because she wasn't, she's a friend and she's pleading. Like I know she's a traitor, but it's hard to do that to a friend. But what you don't see is Gabby and I like towards the end of the, I was very on Gabby. I thought she was a traitor a hundred percent, but yeah,

Again, that same day, I realized it's not Gabby, the murder in plain sight day. So then I started working with her and we knew going into that round table, I was like, we were aligned. We're like, we're going after Danielle tonight. She's going after you. Like, I'll have your back, but you have to do this. Like, you have to speak at the round table. Like, I can't do it against Danielle.

And I even tipped Danielle off, but I tried to wait till the very last second so she couldn't strategize. She still strategized. Yeah. So I probably shouldn't have done that. Yeah. I'm sure she had the plan in her head no matter what. Anyway, at that point, when Dolores was like so adamant that it was Ivor and Abby, like she was not, she was not going to write Danielle. Did you at any point, like, were you guys trying to convince her?

her it was Danielle because that's we didn't really see a hundred percent. But the credit I give Dolores was being upfront about it because once she said Dylan, like I am not writing Dolores or Danielle's name, no matter what I could strategize. I could say like, oh, okay. Like I was going to keep Danielle another day.

But now we actually have to get her out tonight. Otherwise, we're going to lose this game. So the fact that she was honest with me allowed me to strategize. Because you're like, we are not going to have this number no matter what. I was so frustrated. Nothing I could say would have convinced her to vote Danielle. I mean, we were dying watching Dolores. We love Dolores. But we were like, she really is treating this like it's Housewives of New Jersey. She thinks...

if someone says they're not a traitor, that means they're really not a traitor. Like she's all about the loyalty. I think she's forgetting what game she's playing where someone has to be lying to her, which was, you know, as a viewer and probably in your position, you're a little frustrated, but you appreciate her loyalty as well. Cause she was loyal to you. And that's why she won. Like she, she was respected as the most loyal person in the house. That's why Danielle wanted to take her to the end. Like,

She was loyal, and that's why she won. So it is like credit to her. She won the game, and it's not like she was gifted the game. Same with Ivor. They played a different strategy than I did. Yeah, definitely. And I think with the housewives being such targets in the beginning, they just kind of went one after another. It's credit to Dolores that she was able to stick around all the way to the end. That was all Bob the Drag Queen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now, and then when you guys, when you filmed the reunion, did it feel like the housewives had a little bit of a chip on their shoulder? For sure. Yeah. But it was also funny too, because like the winners, we don't have anything to say. Like this isn't for us. Yeah. Like we wanted them to have their moment, the people that got slighted, everything.

So we're like out there and it felt like, yeah, we're like going through the motions type thing. The housewives walked out and I was like, oh shit, this is like, watch what happens live. Yeah, this is the Andy Cohen shit. They're used to this. Yeah, it was like once Dorinda and Ion walked out, I was like, oh shit, here we go, grab the popcorn. Right, right. You feel like you have a front row seat to one of their reunions. It was great. Now, once the filming ended and kind of post-Traders,

Is it a little bit disorienting because you're in your life? You're like, are you a traitor? Are you a faithful? How do you feel once it all ends? I, again, I think I was lucky cause I won. So like my, it felt like a closed chapter for me. I went back to normal life. Like all I wanted to do is like lay in, lay in the sun, go in the ocean. Like I wanted to just get back to who I am. Um,

But the people that got slighted or like didn't get that closure, I think like Carolyn, like Carolyn was really like calling after the show, just like she needed closure and she never got it. It's like, why did this happen? Like, where did I mess up? And I think that's when it's hard. Yeah. Yeah. It always goes beyond the game. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Watching it back has got to be interesting, too, because you see those conversations that you didn't.

were there for, what was happening in the turret, the drama with the traitors. What were you thinking watching the traitors really go after each other like the whole season? From the beginning the traitors were not on the same page. No, and it's so weird when you're in the castle, you really don't know that. We were questioning some of the murders they had, we were confused by them a lot, but we had no idea.

So like I was saying I was the best traitor on the show because I was trying to bring Danielle and Carolyn together the whole season. I was just like, I do not understand why you guys are fighting. Just like, can't we all get along? We're doing great. Yeah. I had no idea what was going on there. Yeah.

And they didn't listen to you. It really was shocking to watch because, you know, the smart strategy would be stick together, but they couldn't do it. They could not stick together, which I think at first everyone was like, oh my God, these traitors are awful. But then when you continue to watch, you're like, this is amazing. Like I need them to keep killing each other off because now we're just fully rooting for the faithfuls. Yeah, I think the traitors did like, I know they got a lot of heat, but when I look back at the season and this is how I felt

on episode 11. Like at the end, I was like, wow, Bob the Drag Queen had this show on his back for four episodes. Boston Rob had the show on his back for three episodes. Danielle and Carolyn had the show on their back for the last three. It was like they really carried the season.

So as much as like people give him crap for like being bad traders, they made good TV. Right. And bad traders. But made it like Danielle made it really far. So, you know, as much as people got frustrated with her and, you know, you didn't like the way that she was playing. She did make it really far, which means in that house she was playing a good game. And that's the thing, too, is like, yeah, like Tom and I knew Danielle.

Danielle was a traitor. So like we were playing that game of like, should we keep her around? Should we not? And like, so we have a leg up, but then it was like, once Dolores said she wasn't going to vote for like if she was one round table away from winning,

Like even if we knew she was a traitor, we couldn't have done anything about it. Now, how has your life changed post-Traitors? Because I mean, you have all of this fan love now. Were you expecting that? No, it's been awesome. It's really cool. It's pretty sick. Yeah, just mainly because it's like, I don't feel like anything's changed at all. Like I still am doing everything I did before and I didn't put on an act really. So I just, I think,

Yeah, I think people are just seeing me and are liking it, which is like the best feeling in the world. Right. There's something really comforting about people liking you for you. Yeah, absolutely. Like if you were a traitor and you had to go in there and lie and do all that, it's not really you. So then you have a different display of yourself to everybody else. When you're playing as a fable too, it's like you said, you're being honest and true. It's like this...

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When you guys were at the end and you're doing the smoke and the whole thing, did you have any doubts about the other three while in the moment? So we all strategized for what we're going to do if someone threw red. So like before Brittany came at me,

I was strategizing more because I was like, this show is designed for two winners. If you're a faithful, like the fact that they don't reveal who the last trader is, like it's designed, the smart strategy is to bring it down to two. So I was doing that. Like, I think at the time it was going to be me and Gabby as long as she was aligned, like I was still earning her trust, but I had kind of made that strategy to end it with me and Gabby. And then once I,

Had the round table with Brittany. I was just like holy shit like I know for sure Brittany's a traitor now I know they're all faithfuls So like there's no point in me bringing it down to two like if someone throws red I'll I know what to do. Yeah, but I'm not gonna make that call is I know like obvious, you know, there's money you win There's a prize like it's a it's a good amount of money but when you obviously becomes less when you split it more ways and

Was that ever discussed or was everyone like, you know, we really believe we're all faithful. So let's split it because it's, you know, cuts your money in half. Yeah. But so let's do the math real quick. It's it's let's say we cut Dolores out first. So then we won with three people. Yeah. I think that's 50 K split three ways. We got I'm not.

that could have math 18 17k after tax 10k like yeah Dolores his friendship 10k right right what what like it wasn't really a factor for us right if it was a million dollar prize pot I think we would have thought twice maybe but also more to share yeah you know have you seen some of like the online chatter because because the show is so popular and everybody loves it there's been like different um

like points of the game that they're challenging. It's like, hey, maybe we should change this. Maybe make the prize pot bigger. Maybe the challenges change a little bit. What do you think about that? Like, how do you think the game would change if it was more money? I don't... Like, I'm on the stance that I don't think the game needs to change. Yeah, I don't think so either. I think it's perfect. Totally. Like, of course, I want more physical challenges. Like, every time there's a physical challenge, I was like, yes! But then, like...

I see why they can't do only physical challenges. Like the trivia wasn't, not my chance to win. And like, of course I lost that mission, but that's giving people who aren't physical a chance to win. So, so it's, it's good. Of course, like more money for sure. More money, but then now you're going to be like, shit, I wish I was on the next season. It's crazy. Cause it really, it definitely would.

It definitely would play a part for sure. Yeah. There'd be much more greed coming to play. For sure. People would be like as feisty as they were, they would be even feistier. Yeah. Was there at any point, did you want to be a traitor or did you want to be a faithful? No. So going in, I like, I've played a lot of mafia. Have you guys played that game? And I hate being the traitor. So going in, I knew I wanted to be a faithful, but I didn't want to like ruin the show by saying that. Like I saw Sam go in and just say like, no, I want to be a faithful. I was like, you could,

do that so I was like yeah I want to like I don't care but like I'd rather be a faithful so yeah I was trying to like play it up I wanted to be a faithful and I was I think I told Alan as well like I either want to be a faithful or recruited and if I was recruited that would have been my chance to take all the money for sure right so I was in a good spot yeah how did you sleep at night

Oh, terribly. Terribly. It's so like you don't get much sleep. And I didn't have any supplements or anything. That was just a stupid me. Like I put all my supplements into one bag and as soon as I showed up, they're like, you can't have any supplements that aren't labeled. So they just took all my supplements out the day I arrived.

So I didn't have any, yeah, I got sick. Just a loose bag of pills. Yeah, you're not going to be allowed to take this in. I was the most underprepared in that sense. I threw my outfits together, stuff like that.

But every night we'd get home maybe 2 a.m. or something and they'd give you like a little Scottish sleeping pill, which is like magnesium or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very basic. Very light melatonin. I would try to get four. I'm like, come on, give me my cookie. I'm not sleeping. It was all I cared about. There's like all these snacks and stuff. I'm like, give me three.

Because we saw Sierra say on Summer House that you guys got your phones once a week for 30 minutes or once every six days for 30 minutes. That's about it. Some people got it more, I think. It depends on the loud voices get fed or whatever. Right, right. Now, was there any worry that people were going to be texting each other if they got their phone or was it monitored? It was all monitored. So, you know, a fun part was like when we first got our phones online,

the cast list was out like to the public. So I remember I called my girlfriend and she's, I can't respond, but there's someone there and she's like, can I tell you like who the people on the cast are and like who I think you should be friends with?

So she starts talking, but I have it on mute. So I like can't respond. The moderator is right there. And she's just like, she's a Bravo fan. So she's like, I think you're going to get along with Sierra. And I'm like, yeah, I am. And she's like, she's just giving me background on everybody. She's like, Dolores is fiery. Like, but if she's on your team, it's good. I was like, yeah, I'm doing that. It was like, it was kind of like giving me like re-familiar, I don't know.

Yeah, that's incredible. So you couldn't vocally respond? I couldn't vocalize, no. That's so interesting. Wow, that's amazing. She's just like, okay, I'm just going to talk. Yes, totally. Shout out to her for giving you the strategy. Yeah, no, it was fun because a lot of them I didn't know going in. And now I'm more versed in the Bravo world. Right, right, right. I'm into it. Yeah.

Do you think there's any new Bravo shows they'll pick up now that you've met some of these people? Like which ones I've been watching? Yeah, Summer House. I really like Southern Charm too. Southern Charm's hilarious. So you're into Summer House and Southern Charm. Yeah. They kind of cross over a little bit. Yeah, they do. They definitely do. Especially lately. Yeah, I know. I actually think Craig would be so – I want Craig to do – he'd be really good on The Traitors. Oh, yeah.

Because they're always, his whole thing every season is like, Craig's a liar, Craig's a liar. So let's put the lying to the test. And he's a lawyer and stuff. He's a good trader. I think it would actually be very good. You mentioned that you kind of like threw all your outfits together. Were you surprised with how everybody was stepping out when they were doing the show? No, I knew people would bring it. But yeah, I didn't.

I knew I wasn't going to be the one making headlines. I actually did for a few of my sweaters, which was shocking. Yeah.

but yeah, I went much more with the comfort. Like I was wearing Birkenstocks like, yeah, this is our home. Like let's treat it that way. So we're in Birkenstocks sweaters. Yeah. I love Dolores towards the end was just like, I'm not doing it anymore. She's just like, I'm wearing my comfy clothes. I can't keep doing this. I mean, how can you blame her? Yeah, no, every morning she's like, oh, it's me and I'm ready to go. I'm getting burned. She's like, oh, it wasn't me. Oh my God. That's amazing. We had Boston Rob, uh,

in here a few weeks ago. It was great. And he does love you. I love him too. Everybody's watched that bromance form and there was maybe even some jealousy at the reunion. I felt like they were like, oh, you know, Bob Harper was like, nobody's picking me up

from the airport. I had to go to his hot yoga class yesterday because I was like, had to make amends. All the rocks, all the bars. What, how fun has it been to keep that friendship going? It's great. We're actually going to Florida to the Players Championship next week. So nice. So we're going to hang out more, make some more videos, I'm sure. Oh, that's amazing. It's the funniest thing, like seeing people, because I think there is a whole world of a new generation that's

being introduced to Boston Robert the first time. Even on my flight, we were traveling yesterday. There were two young girls behind me and they were like, oh my God, have you seen Young Boston Robert? It's just so funny. And the mom, they were traveling with their mom and their mom was like, oh my God, you never watched Survivor Seasons? And he has fucking

Four daughters. Right, right. It's so sweet. I mean, it's amazing. I mean, Ciara said it at the reunion. She was like, I didn't know you were, like, hot. Yeah, and then Bob the Drag Queen's like, we're hot is crazy. Yeah, oh my God, that is, it's amazing. Were you a little jealous of the Emilio Bilotto's dinner that happened the other night? Oh, yeah, I wanted to be there. I was definitely jealous. But my agent actually put that together, which is cool. Oh my gosh, I love that. That's, uh.

That's amazing. So are there any other like friendships you think you'll... Obviously Basarab. Any other friendships you think you'll really take away from the game? So the hard part is like...

And this goes back to like what I do on social media. Like I'm so blessed to have friends all over the world. But at the end of the day, they live all over the world. So it's like we stay in touch over the phone and stuff like that. But as far as like who I'm seeing in L.A., like I've seen Sam quite a bit. I really like Sam. He's great. And then Wells I play golf with a lot. Justice for Wells. I know. I know. That was definitely a tough one for Wells. Did you see all the jokes towards the beginning of

of the season because when they were really like putting everybody's names to identify everybody and everyone kind of had their show underneath and you're so down to earth and everyone was like wow just thought he was being described as a down to earth Dylan down to earth

Did you see all that? I did. So many people still don't know. Well, I thought it was very funny. It was. It was cool because like I went in with such a low bar. Like it really was maybe like Sam and I were about the same. They're like, what are these two doing on the show? But I really enjoyed that because it was like,

I didn't have to do that much to be like, oh, wow, he's smart. Like, he has a brain. Like, people were just expecting me to be a fly on the wall and, like, just be there to be there. So it was cool. It was a good place. I like having a low bar. Yeah, it's always a good place to start. You can only go up. Nice guy, tell the truth, and it's up from there. That's it. Like, I played a golf tournament the other day. I had the worst round, and everyone's like, oh, it's okay, he's getting better. And then I played really good the next day, and everyone's like, oh, okay, like...

I just have to hit the bottom. Yeah.

Just low to start. We'll bring it back up for everybody. Well, it was really, it was just so much fun watching. Do you think, like, did you get the bug to do more shows? Yeah, for sure. Because that's how I've lived my life, to be honest. It's like I've never, I've always chased experiences. And that's why I love travel and learning new stuff. So, like, to me, this was an experience of a lifetime. And if I can do that again on another show, like...

Like, special forces, for example, like, being able to jump off a helicopter and then, like, stuff like that. That would be a great one. Yeah, like, I'm super down for more experiences. I want to take my time and, like, find the right next step and everything, but...

Yeah, I'm definitely down. Special Forces is a good one because you are and they put you in, you know, you're traveling all over the place too. Are you in on Survivor if they ask you? I think you have to apply and it would honestly be up to Jeff Probst. I don't know. Have you met him yet? I have met him once. He's really nice. So I would totally do it. But it seems like they cast, they don't really cast

people like they want they want to find those unique people so yeah i mean we know what's uh yeah we have you know tommy's yeah i know i saw i saw he talked to him the other day that was awesome yeah and you and tommy actually said a similar thing like you said before about traders you wanted to know about the strategy that goes into the game yeah because tommy now he's just like i'll go on whatever reality show he's like but i want to know if their strategy

He's like, I don't want to go on a show unless I have to strategize. I would go on Survivor with Tommy. We'd form an alliance and I'd cut his throat first. You would have to. Because you know he would turn on you. Absolutely. That is for sure.

We can't wait to see what show you decide to do next. I think it was so much fun watching you on Traders. It was a blast. Congratulations on winning. It was really like such a great satisfaction for everybody. I was like kicking my feet. I was like, yay! I know, really. It was great. So thank you so much for coming and talking to us. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Dylan. It was fun.

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All right, everyone. We are here with a very special guest. We are joined by The Bachelor, Grant Ellis. Thank you so much for joining us, Grant. Thanks for having me. I'm excited. Barstool is an amazing platform, so I'm excited. Thanks for having me. Love that. I was going to say, off to a great start. Yeah, wow. Let's get this going, Grant. Gotta compliment you guys. Thank you so much. That's very kind. Thank you. We're super excited to have you here to talk about

this season and everything that's happened. I love when we get The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, like after some time has gone on, the episodes have aired, we can really talk about what's been happening. How have you been feeling since the show's been on? Man, it's a lot, you know? It's a lot. You know, you put yourself out there and you try new things and it's a lot, but you know, I'm really grateful for the experience. It's been amazing and

the people that you meet and then the relationships that you form with no spoilers. But, you know, I think that, yeah, I couldn't ask for a better experience. How do you compare the way that you were feeling at the beginning of the season airing? Like, oh my gosh, my season's about to air. I'm going to have to watch it on TV to now you've been through most of the episodes. How are you feeling between the two? Oh man, that's a great question. I think I'm still excited, you know, hometowns and then fan base.

fantasy suites and then the finale but I think excitement is the main word and then you know I think maybe starting off I was a little more nervous but now I've settled into it and I'm used to seeing myself like on TV yeah I'm sure the nerves are a little bit of a roller coaster because it's like oh my gosh I'm well you've

you've seen yourself on TV before, but now this is a different setting. So it's like you're watching it again and then it takes a little, you know, plateau and then all of a sudden it's like, okay, but now we're about to reach the finale. So the nerves start maybe ramping up a little bit again. Yeah, they ramp up. And then, you know, when I was on The Bachelorette, it's not my story. So it's very easy to,

Not expect, you know, oh, well, you know, I was there. You have a date in here. But then when you're on The Bachelor, you're the lead. It's like it's your story. Everything you do, you're in almost every scene. And so you can't fast forward. You can't fast forward. You can't. It's like you're everywhere. So it's definitely it's a it's a different experience. Were there any like pressures on yourself or stories about yourself that you wanted to make sure you told as as the lead?

I think just coming in there, you know, I think my main goal was to, you know, find a wife. And then, and then secondary, I just wanted to set a good example. I wanted to lead with love and just be somebody who was open and was vulnerable. And, you know, I think, I think to show like, you know, I think I've cried on the show like four or five times and then there's more to come, but it's like just to show that as a man, you could be strong, but you also, you know, it's good to be vulnerable. Just, you know, pick and choose your times, you know? And when,

you know, it's good to open yourself up and express yourself. So that was probably my main, you know, one of my main things. And like, and that was in the back of my mind, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Were there any hesitations?

For you, like kind of just deciding to be the bachelor. I know we kind of got like the announcement a little bit earlier on through the bachelorette season. So people had time to prep and get ready and get excited for your season. When they approached you about it, what was your first initial thought? I was so naive to the process. I was like, man, you know, opening yourself up to public scrutiny. And, you know, like I said, you're the lead, so you're making all the decisions and everything.

you know maybe sometimes you don't sit up straight enough or you're in you're doing something it's like i didn't i was so i was just like yeah i didn't have any concerns i was like i'm just gonna go for it you know so and that's the way i kind of uh do things and then yeah i think it's good to have you know to have confidence in yourself sometimes to be delusional like your confidence you know like yeah i think that's a good thing you know like i went on the show and like

played the piano and I never did that in my life before. But in my mind, you know, I just, I wanted to put myself out there and then whoever I'm going to be with is going to set me for who I am, you know? So that was a big point for me. I do appreciate delusion of confidence sometimes, right? Like when I see someone out there doing their thing and I'm like, you know what? You've got to respect that.

I respect that you can put yourself out there like that, like for anybody who does that. Now with social media getting so much bigger from the way beginning of the show and every season it's, is this person here for the right reasons? That conversation comes up. How did you feel going into this? How you were going to weed out genuine verse, you know, wrong reasons? Yeah.

Well, you know, I think that you could, unless somebody's a really good liar, which there are people out there that are, you could kind of tell who's there, you know, for you based on interest. But then when you go on the show, you never know. You never know.

You never know if somebody's doing things for the show or doing things for you. But I think the longer you get to know somebody, if you click and connect and you vibe with somebody, then there's time to grow. - And maybe if somebody is there just to be on TV, but then they're like, oh wait, we have a connection. - That's what I'm saying. And I think that might be a possibility. Some people go in there like, listen,

whatever happens, you know? And then you made the person like, I actually like this person. Right. I feel like that conversation has to happen more because we've seen it, you know, on other shows as well, where someone says, you know, I went on, I thought it was a good opportunity, but then I really found a connection with this person, which is also great too. Exactly. And like, I, you know, with the relationship with, that I had with the ladies on the show,

especially ones that I was really close with. Like if somebody were to tell me, like, listen, I don't know if I'm feeling it. Like, you know, I would be like, okay, well, like I got you. Like, you know, I'm not going to put you out there. You know, I want to see you shine, do your thing, you know, but that's the type of dude I am. And I'm going on there looking for a relationship, you know? So if somebody's just opening up front with me, I'm not going to hold that against them. For sure. Yeah, definitely. What's it like watching...

it back now? Because of course you were there for all your moments and conversations, but when you watch it back, you see the girls talking and what was going on in the house and what that, you know, what was being said there. Have you had any moments of like, oh, I had no idea that happened. I mean, you kind of, you, you,

You have an idea of things like, okay, being the lead, you only see, you probably see less than half of what's going on because I say less than half because you know a little bit, but you're so busy dealing with everything else that you don't know everything that's going on. But you kind of could tell by the energy in the room on the group dates and like who the girls aren't getting along with. And then you start to put two and two together and like, okay, well, every time this has happened and this person is acting this way or that. So, but you, as a lead, you have to allow for things. Well, at least for me.

You can't jump to conclusion. You have to allow for things to kind of just play out. And everybody's going to have an opinion on what they feel you should do. But for me, I just wanted to let things play out for as long as they could so I could really know when I made a decision it was the right one. Could you tell earlier in those earlier weeks that –

Like, it was Zoe who was kind of in the mix with the girls getting a little, like, maybe salty with her for her movements. Yeah, yeah. I knew. Yeah. I knew, you know, with Zoe that she's the type of person. And this is why maybe some people have questions or whatever. But Zoe is somebody who put her best out there in everything she did. And she went through a lot in her life. And I saw that. And I saw that she didn't pout. She didn't complain. She just...

She was there for, you know, what, what the, the main reason, you know, which was to try to form a connection and she wouldn't let anything get in her way. So I really, I really appreciate that about her, but,

You could tell. You could tell when people are there and you could see. You could kind of put – unless you're just oblivious to it, you know? So you could tell. You definitely could tell. Yeah, that is true. I mean, it's – because if we can sense it watching, like, that first – the big basketball date when she pulled you away and you guys go back down and everyone – like, does it feel awkward in those moments? I'm going to tell you, the most awkward thing is the group dates. Yeah. Because it's like –

you're talking to somebody and then you have to, you don't want to give too much attention. You want to like, and then everybody's like kind of competing with each other. And then I, my favorite time was the one-on-one time. I really get to,

lock in and learn about somebody and learn what they like what they don't like and who they are supposed to group taste it's kind of it's just weird i've never i've never been on a group i mean yeah who has besides on this show yeah um but were there moments when someone would pull you away while you're talking to somebody else and you're kind of like you don't want to be pulled away right now but you're trying to be respectful trying to give everybody that time

Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course. But the name, that's the name of the show. You know, as a lead, you have to, well, there's no rules. You know what I'm saying? You could definitely tell somebody like, but I tried to give the ladies a fair chance to show me who they were. Right. To show me who they were. And the right person for me was going to, through any situation, unless there was clear disrespect, they were going to let the process unfold. And they know what it was and they were going to, um,

let our connection form without being forced. It's like a, can I steal you for a second, like dance off. Yeah, like a dance off, right? Like it's like, so they keep coming in and then they circles back and they come back again. Right. So no, and that happens all the time on the show. So I'm sure it's like,

you kind of have to be like yeah i guess i don't want to but yeah i mean i i don't i don't know if there's ever been i don't know has there ever been somebody's been like no like you can't i don't know normally the lead i feel like is like okay or they're like let me get give me 30 seconds to say goodbye exactly because if they were to say no right like you have to do it in a polite way which would be like hey give me a couple seconds and whatever but if they say no it's sort of like

Well, if you were interested in that person, you would get up right now and go talk to them. And it sends a message to the rest of the group that you are...

really interested in a person kind of closed off a little bit yeah yeah how did you feel watching um these moments back these the last couple weeks with carolina and kind of the attitude that maybe she was having in the house versus maybe talking to you i don't know if like you did seem to pick up on her energy yeah um and in the in the dates and those things and obviously was causing issues in the house of of how she was acting what'd you kind of think watching it watching it back oh

Watching it back was definitely interesting, to say the least. It was interesting. You know, my thing was, you know, you kind of know what you're here. You know what you sign up for. You know what this is. But it's like an analogy is like if you say, if you're in a house and you're like, oh, if somebody breaks down the door, I'm going to go and fight them. And then it actually happens. And then you're like, oh, shit. Like, you don't know what you're going to do. So in this situation, you can go in the bathroom and say, I'm going to keep my composure and

But then when it happens, you might catch feelings and you might, you know, so that's why it's when you're on TV like that, it's like staring in the mirror. It reveals your character and it reveals who you are. And it's not only for you to see, it's for everybody. Yeah, it can really strip you down. It can strip you down. You don't have any of the like outside devices. You're closed off from the rest of the world. You're closed off from the rest of the world. And then you're making every decision you make is on you. And you can't take it back. So yeah.

Yeah, seeing some of that, it was surprising. I kind of, you know, I picked up on some things, but like I said, I tried to diffuse situations and allow, and I didn't want people to really feel like they were being isolated or like ostracized. And I just didn't want that. So I tried to really be like a mediator. Was it tough? Sorry. Go ahead. Was it tough? Yeah.

Because you guys did have a really great one-on-one date. And then like, how, how were you feeling in the moment being like, why, how is she not remembering that we do have. That was the hardest thing for me. And honestly, that was the downfall of, of not, I'm not going to say downfall, but that was where things took a turn because we had such a great date. Like we took a private jet and our, our,

our personalities were very similar like joke around we both you know we're beatboxing we're making jokes and you know we got our own handshake and we're doing this little head butt thing and then we jump off a building so going back I was like wow this person this person is like a this person could be my friend I can see myself like joking around with this person and being myself around them and then to go back and hear you know the questioning and then not only questioning

the process kind of questioning you. And, you know, I think that's what it hurt. Right. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what she says during the, the woman tell because I also feel like sometimes, um,

women throw that up as a defense mechanism because I bet you her feelings were there and she was like but I don't even know him like you know like you're kind of like you're trying to be like tough guy a little bit to protect yourself I kind of feel like maybe that's what she was going through yeah and did you find it a little bit disorienting watching being like well we have this connection but this is how she's acting with the ladies and like

You feel like almost like you think you know somebody, but then you're watching. You're like, wait, maybe I really don't know that person. Yeah. And you know something too. Not everybody. I'm not going to say not everybody's built for it. Some people are. Not everybody is built for that. That is true. It's very true. It's true. It's true. It's nothing against Carolina. Like, I think that, you know.

That environment is hard. You just form a connection and you got to watch somebody go on a date and then they may be talking to you or showing you attention and then the next day they're like, they're not. Yep. So you have to really be secure in yourself. Like really secure in yourself and who you are and what you provide and what you offer. And...

Yeah, just it's not, as I said, it's not for everybody. So people unravel during it and that's just what happens. Totally. So we just watched you go on some hometown dates and I will say all seemed pretty great. Like everybody's family was pretty open and welcoming. Did you feel that way going in? What were your nerves like going into hometowns?

I'm pretty good with families. I'm chill. But going in there, you always have to meet people's moms and dads and brothers and uncles. If you're Juliana, you're her entire extension. Everybody. You mean everybody. It's nervous, but I just went in there. I said, I'm going to be myself. Whoever accepts me for me is going to accept me. That's the person that I'm probably going to end up with. At that point, I had connections everywhere.

And meeting the family was something that was going to be a big tell-all for me. What was your confidence level like with specifically Zoe? Because I think a lot of people were like, wow, this is kind of crazy that she's getting a hometown and you really hadn't had that. She didn't get a one-on-one date and then you take her for hometowns. I think people were really surprised by that.

by that so how did you feel about your connection like with Zoe at that point yeah I really I thought that Zoe I saw a lot of potential in Zoe and from the beginning how she came off a certain way but I realized that it stemmed from you know some things that maybe happened in her childhood and she'd be she was you know maybe it caused her to be a little defensive or on the offense at certain times because she knows she probably had been an underdog before where she's coming from living in the south being a black woman so I saw that and I was like

hmm, I was like, okay, this person, regardless of what anybody that's watching the show thinks of our connection, I know I see something in her that makes for

that has resilience and that i could relate to so i i that was the basis of my decision and then hometowns would have been a good tell of if we if if we could build on our connection yeah right why do you think you didn't give her a 101 before because earlier on she was a little bit i'm not going to say she was closed off yeah it seemed to me that she was closed off and then our final two conversations she started to open up to me and then i started to understand i was like wow okay well this is why

She was like that. This is why. And then I was like, I started to see her for who she was. And then I felt that she did not to say deserved, but like she was somebody I could see myself understanding. And to not even have a one-on-one, but to feel like the connection is so strong there to go to hometowns just speaks volumes in itself. Yeah. Speaks volumes in order to be so, if that would have happened to me,

And for her too, she's strong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If that would have happened to somebody else, they would have been like, well, I'm not. And she was like, you know what? I'm going to see where this could go. And it's like, who doesn't want somebody strong like that? Yeah, definitely. It can always be interesting blending families, blending faith. Religion was a big thing. You had Latia's meeting her family, and she talked to you about growing up in the Mormon faith, and that's part of her family. Right.

What were your thoughts about that? I feel like that's got to be maybe the most nerve-wracking thing. Yeah, that was nerve-wracking coming in there. And too, you know, like I understand why. I understand why she waited until that moment to tell me because that's a big, that's something big, something really big. And I, not to say I was nervous, I just didn't know about the Mormon faith. I didn't know what it entails, but I knew at that point that we had a connection and something as far as

A belief system. You know, it does play a big role, but it's not everything. You know, you get to know somebody and...

you never know what could happen. So it was something that, uh, was, was, it was big news to me, but I was at that point, like I really open to it, really open to it. Especially when their family's also open to other beliefs as well. There was a strong reaction to her waiting to tell you from the people watching. Do you feel kind of the opposite of that? Like you just said, you were like, you understand why she waited. Um, that's a good question. Uh,

I understand why she waited because, you know, something like that, when you're going on a show, you don't want to... That's something that could put a wrench in a relationship. And if you do it right off the rip, off the jump, then maybe she didn't want that to happen. And people sort of might label her right at the beginning rather than waiting to, you know... Exactly. Exactly. Or you go in there and you're just right off the jump. You know what I'm saying? And this is who I am. This is what it is. And then by the time you get to hometowns, if I'm still here, then...

You know what I'm saying? But either way, there's a method behind both of them. So like I said, I understand why she did it. And yeah, I get it. Was it disappointing that Tina's family didn't want to kind of be involved in the process? I think I was more, I felt more for her in that journey. Because for me, like I said, family is big. But at the end of the day, the relationship is between you and the person.

But I just didn't, I wanted her to feel supported. And when I saw her friend show up, I was like, okay. But at first when she told me, I was like, man, that sucks because not so much about how us, it's just about like on a big moment like that for your family not to be there.

And that hurts, you know. I'm sure it really hurt for her, too, the way she's feeling. Right. And then everybody else's family is there. And then like I'm not knocking it like I but I just felt that I'm like, man, everybody else's family is there. And and, you know, I just I felt for her. So because she went home, I feel like it is easy for people to jump to like, oh, well, you know, her family didn't show up. What was kind of the deciding factor of that?

her being the one sent home. Did that come into play or no? No, her family not being there, it wasn't that. I think with Dina, it was a new dynamic of a relationship. And at the end of the day, it just comes down to compatibility. Like things that I was looking for, Dina had, but there was a level of emotional connection that I was looking for that I felt like in that time wasn't there. And it wasn't there with Zoe either.

But with Zoe, I felt like down the road because of certain circumstances she went through in her life, I could relate more to her and I could kind of unlock that in her. As opposed to Dina, I didn't know how much we could... I didn't know... The potential seemed to be there a little bit more maybe. Yeah, it seemed to be there and I just made the decision based off of that. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it does. Now going into the woman tell all, what can we expect from...

I don't know. I don't know. You know, I know there's going to be some feelings towards me. And, you know, as the lead, being the bachelor, it's very hard to escape without any cuts and bruises, you know. So just me going in there and just being humble and realizing that, you know what, I'm a man. I make mistakes, but I did the best I could. And I try to lead with love. And, you know, I hope that you guys felt that.

And just trying to diffuse any situations where people may have ill, not ill will, but like any intent, any, any feelings towards me just trying to explain what I was thinking. Right. So you can really only do so much with like,

all of their relationships. It's like your connections with them, you can talk out. Right. You know, you kind of have to. Let them hash it out. Let them hash it out. Let them hash it out. You know what has been also kind of funny, Rhea, is that I've gotten messages that people be like, Grant does the woman, women. Oh yeah. I'm getting a lot about that. She does it too. And everyone's like, oh, Grant does the same.

thing rhea does i have to like literally force it out of my mouth i'm like women so what is the discrepancy with that is it it's like it's when you say when you mean to say women like a group of a group of women i say woman yeah i say like singular yeah i learned it's a when it's a group it's like w-i-m-e-n you know that's how you pronounce it women i started no i'm telling you but like i'm telling myself too you know what i mean yeah all the women oh no all

No, all the ladies in the room. Yeah, right. It's just, it flows out. No, trust me. I feel you. I started saying women. I started saying women. Yeah. And then, okay, I understand. Trust me. I feel you. Okay. I'm trying hard. It does.

Yes, no, that was fun. That was a funny connection that I saw people make. It's crazy how people pick up. People will literally. Oh, the smallest things. The smallest things. Oh, yeah. I know, especially being from Long Island. Some of the words, I just say it a little bit. Yeah, you're from New Jersey. It just happens. You're like, this is how it's going to be. I remember I came down the steps with Alex. I was like, what's up, girl? And people were like, he said, what's up, girl?

Who does he think he is? I was like, well, it's the way I talk. You're like, that's how I talk. Look at how I talk. Like, I don't know. I'm on a date. I'm on a date. I'm just chilling, you know? Right. Just trying to be myself here. I know, right? Absolutely. Well, not only have you had a, like, you know, meeting these women, sharing these relationships, you're also opening about your own family, your own, you know, childhood and growing up and those connections. What's it been like kind of sharing your family stories, especially, you know, your relationship with your dad?

Yeah, I think that was one of the most beautiful things of this season for me, being so open about it. It was like therapy for me. And I don't want to be that guy that would be like, you know, men should go to therapy. But I think that a lot of guys hold things in, me being one of them. And then when you don't, you take it out. It ends up.

being taken out on people that you love. If you hold things in for too long, something will go wrong and then one day you're just cursing people out or doing something because you need to at least be able to talk about your feelings

And, you know, so that you're more emotionally aware of like where you're at. So during the season, I'm sitting behind the camera and I'm being asked certain questions about my life and that I've held in for like 18 years. So I just I got like, whoa, I didn't like my father and this and then I start tearing up and crying. And then he comes on the show and I'm like, oh, what the hell? You know, so it's crazy. I think that it was like it opened my eyes to how.

the importance of therapy and talking about your feelings. - Yeah, for sure, for sure. - No, that's great. - Yeah, and when you start crying about something when you're talking about it, sometimes you can really realize like, oh wait, this really does affect me. - It affects you, it's still there. - Right, exactly. You're like, it's nice to talk it out.

And you're doing it on a much bigger scale with a massive audience, which can be super impactful and help a lot of people too, which is always great. So thank you for doing that. We appreciate that. And we are so excited to see how this plays out. We got Zoe, Latia, Juliana headed into that final. We have...

One more question, thanks to Armani Beauty. I know you can't reveal too much because, you know, no spoilers or anything, but we see the teasers. We see that it seems like you're really like, the headspace is tough. I think there was one line in the teaser that was like, will this be my downfall? Something like that. I was like, uh-oh, downfall. That's, that's, that,

That doesn't sound great. What can you say about, you know, how this is going to come to an end? Yeah, I think that it's just a testament to how how great the women were, the ladies were. The ladies were, you know, and, you know, being the second black bachelor ever, you know, there's a lot of there's an extra added level of pressure that that comes with it.

But ultimately, you know, you make a decision on what is the best thing for you. And with the two ladies that were there at the end, they were so great. They were honestly one of a kind. Like, I don't know where they, I don't know where casting got them from.

I don't know where they came from, but they were one of a kind. And it just added for, I just need a little more time to flesh things out. And right, that's what you're like, the privilege of time isn't one you really get on this show as much. But we can't wait to see how this plays out, Grant. Thank you so much. Honestly, it's going to be tonight that everyone can watch the women tell all and see what happens there. And then we're really looking forward to the finale next week. Yes.

Thank you so much for joining us and chatting with us. Yeah, thank you, Grant. Thank you guys for having me. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. Thank you so much for watching and listening. We love you guys so very much. Thank you for all the love and support. We will talk to you on Wednesday. Smooches and hugs to everybody. The quarter pounder with cheese had many great things.

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