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potatoes mash mash potatoes oh mash potatoes mash mash potatoes yeah potatoes potatoes potatoes yum can't wait can't wait i mean here's the thing mashed potatoes you really can get them any time of the year yeah i'm excited for the whole it's a combo it's the combo it's when it hits the plate with all the other things with all the sides the potatoes yeah i'm hitting the stuffed mushrooms running them back this year again i'm making mini chicken pop

pies running that back a little uh i'm gonna do a little brie apple mike's hot honey little crostini delicious i'm really gonna fucking hit it hard this year hit the ground running with some maps amazing yeah i'm just excited for thanksgiving yeah that sounds so nice i'm gonna be waking up in my apartment

On Thanksgiving morning for like the first time ever. Really? I feel like a real adult. Wow. Yeah, I know. Where's Thanksgiving happening this year? Married now, the whole thing. It's in New Jersey at my aunt's. Right. But obviously like my parents are, they're in Florida. So they are coming up here, but they're staying at a hotel. Nice. Like we're going to go out there Thanksgiving afternoon. But Joe and I were like, wow, like Wednesday, Thursday.

we were joking we're like you just go to our our normal bar like yeah go to your local bar you know where we're headed yeah you gotta and we'll just go and we're like yeah it's kind of that's just what we're gonna do be in New York City I still be lovely we'll get some bagels maybe a little maybe some mimosas we'll watch the parade oh that's like such a

lovely Thanksgiving morning. That sounds lovely. It'll be beautiful. And then the dog show I was on, which is my favorite. That's the best. That's the best. I love. Although I will say nothing is better when you're like, when you are cuddled up on your couch and

and you don't have to see people for a little bit longer and you can really hold on to like that hangover you have and uh enjoy the enjoy the dog show maybe you got a fire going oh yeah oh my god sounds so cozy sounds like a beautifully cozy thursday morning i know right i know right but yes what thanksgiving eve is a big um celebration as well for all who celebrate good luck and have fun and be smart and don't hook up with your ex-boyfriend from high school so true um

I think I've graduated from Thanksgiving Eve. I was just going to say. But, you know, there's plenty of listeners out there that are looking forward to Thanksgiving Eve. It's a holiday in itself. And for you, I say have fun. Right. Good luck out there, soldiers. Exactly. Have yourself a good night. Exactly. A safe night.

And beware. Beware of the creepy crawlers of the night coming to you on Thanksgiving Eve. Those of Thanksgiving pass. Right. That's exactly what it is. But yeah, no, I'm tapped out on Thanksgiving Eve. I'm going to dinner with my best friends from high school. It's like we don't need... That's the perfect way to acknowledge Thanksgiving Eve now, you know? Right. We're going to go to dinner. We're going to have a great dinner with our significant others. We're going to eat amazing Italian food, drink some good wine, get to bed at a reasonable hour, wake up with maybe a mild...

mild tingle from the wine but not too bad a slight tingle from the red wine right maybe just a little headache that I just pop a little Advil or Tylenol and get on my way with Thanksgiving but I won't be I won't be hurting I will not be hurting but I'm very excited to see my friends and just have a lovely dinner that's the way to go for me that's the way to go for me now it's like we don't we're not going to the bar no we are not going to the bar no no no no no

Not I haven't it's been years not years but like I've been years and years just you know once once you move out of your hometown it's just you're not you're not there.

as the tear slowly drips out of the corner of my eye, you know? Yeah, well, I never had that, like, hometown... I feel like that could be a country song. It could. Solely based on, like... Thanksgiving Eve. Thanksgiving Eve and you leaving your hometown and you don't get to see your friends. Right. Well, I never had that hometown-y bar vibe because going to...

catholic school everybody's from a different town yeah but you didn't pick like your town you didn't like there was a town yeah there was a there was multiple towns right with multiple bars yeah and and there was a point where it was like all right who's going to this town who's going to that town like you had to find which town you were going to uh but it wasn't just like my hometown but you know i'm sure that's fair i'm sure you know the public school kids in my hometown have their place that they go to yeah

I'm sure they do. Right. I'm sure they do. And then it's Thanksgiving and taking a little break. We'll be back next week on Monday. I have my, this is going to be a wild ride just for my family, but I have my great aunt's 100th birthday.

birthday party. Holy shit. On Saturday. That's insane. 100 years old. It is so impressive. My grandmother, Meemaw, who I've mentioned many a times, is...

The youngest of 12 children. That's insane. Cheaper by a dozen. Yeah. Right. Correct. Correct. 12 children. Many of them are no longer with us, but there are a few that are kicking and they are doing great.

And Aunt Angie is turning 100. Shout out to Aunt Angie for still kicking it at 100 years old. Does she say, I'm 100 or I'm 100? When you turn 100, how old are you? I'm 100. 100 years old. Can I ask you a personal question? Is Aunt Angie still like spry? Oh, yeah. Like she's still there? Totally. That's not what I thought you were going to ask.

What did you think I was going to ask? You said personal. I don't know. No, I just, like, I don't, you know, if Angie's, like, being wheeled around and she's barely awake. No, it's 100. She's like, you know what I mean? I want to know if she's like, I thought you were going to ask. It's not a weekend at Bernie's situation. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. I was like, is Angie there? Yeah. I thought you were going to ask if she was active. She may mix up me. No, my brain didn't even,

Even cross that avenue, you sick puppy. She may, she confuses me and Gia sometimes, but you know, that's pretty good. That's pretty good for a hundred. That's pretty good. That's pretty damn good for a hundred. Exactly. I can't wait. She's probably going to try and kiss Joe on the lips. Yeah.

That's 100 for you. She's probably going to kiss all of us on the lips, honestly. Any smooches you can get at 100. Yeah, yeah. She was kissing us all on the lips when she was not 100. Right, right. That's just Aunt Angie's way of showing warmth. Exactly. Everybody's been kissed on the lips by Aunt Angie, really. I have a question.

I keep saying that and they're like, they're not that crazy question. But like when you reach 100 years old, is there any part of you, and I guess this is a question for Aunt Angie and not you, but is there any part of you that's like, let me try something I've never done before because I've made it this far? I could see that. Like, like,

Like heroin. Okay, maybe not hard drugs. Do you think Aunt Angie's like, I want to try something like that? I was going to go with some sort of hobby that she's never done. Well, we can't send Aunt Angie skydiving. Yeah, no, no, no. That won't. No. She won't make it to 101. No, no. But it's going to be a lot of fun. Obviously, with a grandmother that has 12 kids,

is part of a family of 12. My mom has a ton of cousins. I have a ton of second cousins. A lot of them that I haven't seen in a very, very long time. So it should be a lot of fun. Well, that's quite amazing. Yeah. Honestly, that sounds like such a fun... A big fat Italian family. Right. That's insane. Yeah. I didn't realize that you had that many... Because I feel like...

There's almost too many. Right. It's like you cut all them off because there's too many of them. There's just too many. There's too many. Yeah. That's crazy. Is both Mima's parents Italian? Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Wow. They're the ones that came from Italy, her parents. Right, right, right. Yeah. Dang, that's a lot of cousins. Yeah. Wow. She's the full Sicilian side is her side. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. 12 kids. Yes. Yeah.

They were busy. Yeah. Like her, her, her oldest sister, I'm going to get the math wrong. She'll, she'll be mad at me, but like there's maybe 20 years. Like I think like when Mima was born, her oldest sister was like 19, 20 years old. With the big Italian families like that, like Nono and his siblings, like some of them are really close together. Like, you know, like there wasn't a lot of time in between and then some are really far apart. My, my,

So me, Ma, and her neck sister, like that she's closest in age to...

super super close we were always really really close with them and their family um so it's just like you know it trickles down like the older siblings were obviously closer there's a bigger gap there's just it's just 12 kids it's a lot it's a lot to keep up with a lot and then everybody has kids and then they all have kids so now we're at like you know it's a lot of people that is a lot of people that is a lot to keep up with so yeah so it'll be it'll be a big beautiful affair on uh on

Celebrate Aunt Angie. I know. I have a hole in my armpit.

You do. But you knew it. You know it's there. I did. But when I did a little sunbathing, I felt the breeze. Yeah, right. You felt a little wind. Right. That one was for Annie and Angie. So happy birthday. That really is incredible, though. Seriously, so impressive. So incredible. Congratulations to her. At that point, it becomes a congratulations. Totally. Totally. But yeah, it's just a classic Thanksgiving week. We don't have an episode on Friday. We will be back on Monday. We have a...

A good episode coming up. Kelly Flanagan joined us. She talked about her situation with her ex-boyfriend. You know, she shared just a tiny bit online, but she came and told her full story. And we have a great game of trivia. Yeah, definitely a little more emotional, more serious, but she's been through a lot. So if you are somebody that has dealt with

you know, cheating, emotional manipulation, just like really some ego, egomaniac type of behavior. She got to tell her story, which I think was really great. And I hope, hopefully she feels good about it. Yes, I agree with that. Next week, we are headed to Boston and, you know, our Boston show is sold out. Very excited for that one. But for all the listeners that are

are from Boston and maybe don't have tickets to the show or maybe you do have tickets to the show. We are having an event at the Clock Tavern in Boston. It's a Rum Haven event from 6 to 8 p.m. Maybe we'll hang a little longer. We'll be drinking, hanging out. Come drink some little fall cocktails with us. Delicious cocktails, drinking, hanging out, taking pictures, having fun. I mean, you do not need a ticket for that. That's just like a show up and hang out situation. So we're so excited to see you guys there. My sister lives like right by there because I told her about it.

And she was like, oh my God, bring Ray and Fran to my apartment. I want them to see my apartment. And I was like, what? Yeah, so would I. Oh my God, so welcoming. But yeah, we'll be there. So come hang out. It's going to be a blast. And then we'll see everybody at the show on Wednesday. Yeah, we're so excited to wrap up the year. It's always, the holiday show is just always so much fun. And it's a great way to put a stamp on the year. And we're probably going to talk about it nine million times tomorrow.

between now and our last episode before Christmas break and New Year and everything. But it was such an amazing year. So we're really excited to celebrate with everybody in Boston. Totally agree. Seriously, a fucking...

fantastic year. Yeah. And we have our listeners to thank for that. Truly. So many great experiences have come from this show and we wouldn't be able to do it without all the people who support us and listen to the show. So thank you guys so much. And yeah, it's been incredible. I can't wait for next week. Totally. Before we get into the rest of the show, though, we do have to talk about a big thing that that's happening. Huge. Big thing.

Vanderpump rules being totally recasted. They've put the kibosh on this cast. No longer. We're recasting Vanderpump. And you know what? It's time. It was the right move. It's time. It's bittersweet for sure. And all the cast members, they're posting their old montages, old pictures. It's crazy how much they've been through and how much time has passed from when they started this show to where they are now. But...

They are going to be recasting the whole show. They're going to keep Vanderpump rules. But it, you know, it's getting like the Real Housewives of New York treatment where they're all done and they're just going to go get a new group of friends that work at Sir. And this show is going to move on and be about them. And you know what? Like it really it is.

They had their time. It was amazing. I'm sure it's super tough for them because it's a job, right? Just financially, it's a job. But at the same time, it probably is going to feel good to...

move on, I would think. I agree. Ultimately, you're right. It is a job for them, so this is sort of like them losing their job, which I don't think a lot of them wanted to happen, and I'm sure some of them did want to happen. I think Ariana has clearly been thriving with so many... There will be a few of them that are certainly going to be calling up the valley.

Right, right, for sure. But Ariana has been thriving with so many different opportunities coming her way. And I can imagine in her eyes, yes, it's bittersweet that Vanderpump is ending and has brought so much to her life. She's a Broadway star. She has so much going on right now. And the others will also have other opportunities come their way with this wrapping up. Double whammy day of yesterday, they announced that they're closing Schwartz and Sandys. And today...

The show's over? Yeah, it's a tough one for Tom and Tom. Yeah, womp, womp. But sometimes, you know, you reap what you sow, some might say. Yeah. Yeah, Schwartz and Sandy's never had a chance. You know, it just really...

It really never had a chance. Like, that's just all the drama, opening, all that, like, the timing of it all just never really worked. I think it kind of hurt them that they weren't really geographically, like, located near the other ones. Because I feel like that helps. Where it's like, oh, we're going to do a little Vanderpump bar crawl almost. And so, like, yeah, I posted a whole long message about that ending. And now, now at the end of Vanderpump. And...

Well, the end of these people on Vanderpump. But it's... It's better this way than everybody continuing to watch and going, why are these people still on this show? Why is this still going on? They need to revamp, you know? Yeah. What's only playing in my head is the slowed down version of the theme song that played at the end of the last season when it was like, oh, it does feel like maybe it's all coming to an end. Da-da-da.

Right. Well, ultimately, smart choice by them. Yeah. Because now that it is ending with this cast, they got that slowed down dramatic version of maybe the show's ending. Yeah. So that's a wrap on this Vanderpump Rules. Oh, you know what else I wanted to say? You see that Hugh Grant tweet about Luann? No. Hugh Grant tweeted. I didn't see it. Oh my God. He tweeted. He said it never happened. What? Well, he doesn't remember it happening. He said her memory might be better than his. Yeah.

Hey. Which honestly, it probably is. I would maybe imagine that it did happen. If he's saying that, I'm like, yeah, he probably directly makes out with the top people. I would think that Luann would remember making out with Hugh Grant, but Hugh Grant wouldn't necessarily remember making out with Luann. I agree. You know? He tweeted the headline and he said, steady on, steady on. I do remember meeting a charming R-H-N-Y.

in a restaurant, but I'd like to stress it was about 15 years ago. I don't recall shots or kissing, but her memory might be better than mine. So I'm going to live in the world where this story did happen. And he did call her charming. He did. So maybe he got to the point where he had a little too much and doesn't recall. Right. It wouldn't be the first time. No, and you know what? The fact that he even tweeted...

Makes me, I'm like. Rekindling? Oh no, is he married? No, he's married. No, the tweet could be like, ah shit, my wife's going to kill me. I should close this. Clear this up. This is 15 years ago. That it was 15 years ago. Yeah, because we were wondering the timeline. We were. Thanks for the clear up, Hugh. I'm still going to choose to believe Luann on this one. Absolutely. I will still have a vision of Luann leaping across a table at Pierre's in the Hamptons just to scream.

smack one arm. Yeah, and a button flying across the room from Hugh's button down. His chest opening up. You made the Wicked director cry as well. That did happen. So, John M. Chu shared one of our videos of

onto his story and said now he's crying all these emojis and Ariana Grande liked the video. Ariana Grande liked the video too. And you know what? I'm so glad they're seeing the recognition they deserve. Talking about 100, that clip, like I'm gonna have goosebumps thinking about it right now, but Ariana Grande just going to a movie theater in Boca Raton with her Nona who is just turned 99. Insane. And going to see that movie like, oh my God.

I have chills just thinking about it. She's holding her hand so sweet. So sweet. What a moment. What a full circle moment. Somebody tweeted like, this woman was a teenager when The Wizard of Oz came out. Crazy. Imagine watching your granddaughter be able to fulfill her biggest dream.

It's just beautiful. It is beautiful. I have really like hairs on. Just so sweet. It makes me miss my grandma. Imagine you're just in the movie theater in Florida and they just, you're like, oh my God. There are other people in the theater. You're watching the movie with Ariana Grande. I know. I'd be turning back being like,

Oh my god, I clap harder than I've never clapped before. You nailed that one! Yeah. It would be like that Buffalo bartender who was like, you know who you look like? Yeah. You look like...

Ariana Grande. She's in that little movie, Wicked. Yeah. You look like that girl that's playing that witch in that movie. Oh my gosh. Too funny. But so excited that they got to see the video of us talking about it. Oh my God. I'm just elated. Yeah. Truly all I want to do is like watch that movie every single day and maybe I'll go see it again this weekend. But maybe I'll also wear my brand new hat.

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All right, everyone. We are here with a very special guest. We are joined by Kelly Flanagan. Welcome back to the show, Kelly. It's been quite some time. It's been years since we've had you on. And the last time you came on, we talked a little bit about your relationships. And we are here to do the same thing. I know. I was thinking, like, honestly, last time that...

whole situation like kind of went viral and now we're back here talking about another crazy moment but...

I don't know what's going on. We're happy to have you back. Yes, very happy to have you back. We know from just some social media posts that you've shared recently that you went through a breakup and that there's been some kind of crazy things that have happened during, since, and everything. And there's a story and it's kind of been your life. So we kind of would just like to give you the floor and have you sort of tell us everything that's been going on. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, for the past, like, over a year and a half, I was in a relationship. And, I mean, like, big things were moving. I was, I moved to Philadelphia. I moved in with this guy. I'm just going to give him a nickname of A, and we'll keep it at that. Like pretty little liars. Right. Yeah.

And I ended up moving there and we had amazing times. I think at this point it's like hard for me to even remember those good times, which is like kind of sad, but it's my like truth. I'm like, what the hell was real and what wasn't?

Um, but I'm not going to sit here and deny that we didn't have great times together I mean, that's essentially why we moved in but things moved really fast Where were you before you moved to philly? I was in miami and I never got rid of my apartment there kind of as like a safety net Um, so I always had it. I just was never there. I completely moved into an apartment in philadelphia with him and um

Things started like getting bad and to be honest it was more of like I was losing a part of me and like myself like I felt like everything I accomplished in my life was like I was losing it you know like I feel like.

I moved to Philly to be on this guy's page. And I was always, you know, on his terms. And I like stopped doing so much of my work. I stopped doing so much influencing. I stopped seeing my friends as much. And like, I just felt I was like, who am I these days? Like I've accomplished so much for myself that made me so happy. And then I was just like losing it all. And I think I had a really tough time. So I vocalized that and we ended up breaking up in April.

And he didn't necessarily want me to post it. And I didn't out of respect. And I was like, okay, I'm not going to post it. But eventually I would have to. So I think the first instance of... I regret this, but...

like giving him another shot, I had a call from TMZ like end of April and they said something along the lines of like, hey, we got wind that your ex was out telling people that he's single and that he took home a girl that night. And I was like, oh God, this is like the last thing you want to hear about someone that you just dated. So I reached out and I said, hey, I got to announce that I'm single. I don't want to be like hearing these things. I just got to do it. I

And he convinced me to essentially give him another shot after that. So you guys got back together pretty much after that. Yes. So there was definitely a month period, maybe a teeny bit more, but not much, that we were not communicating, no contact, like we were done. And then he heard...

my perspective and I kind of told him this is how I felt. I felt like I didn't know who I was. I felt like I lost myself. I felt like I just like wasn't who I ever was before that. And he was like, I hear you. I now understand and like give me an opportunity to actually change that. And I was like, okay, fine. But this time let's please take it slow. Like we jumped in and immediately moved in together. So, um,

That ended up happening. He said there was like one thing. He was like, listen, we'll take things slow. I understand. But under kind of one rule. And I was like, sure. And he was like, we're not hooking up with anyone else. We're focusing on like you and I. And kind of like...

gave that perception and I was like, yeah, I'm cool with that. Like I don't care. Like I'm not going to go out and do all this crazy stuff. I barely go out. Right. Did you end up posting that you were single at any point? No, never. I was just more under, I'm like trying to remember. Yeah. No, I never did. Um,

I never did. And I was letting time like kind of pass before I did. And then we started getting back together. And I was just under this. Honestly, it was my idea. I was like, you know what? I'm not going to bring the pressure of social media back into this until like things are figured out. So I wasn't posting him as much, but we were definitely dating like 100% dating.

he would ask me questions like, have you told your friends? Have you told your family? Does everyone know around you? And I was like, yeah, everyone knows. The people that are close to me, everyone knew. And it's not that I was trying to hide him on socials. It was more so of like, I just didn't want outside noise. So I would post him on my stories here and there and here and there. I wasn't hiding it. It was more so of just like, don't focus your entire social media on that.

So the whole TMZ thing happened and he denied it, sent me like video proof of him walking into his building the night that was in question, which again, I didn't even really care because at that time we were broken up. I was like, do what you want. So I let it go and I was like, all right, whatever. Like it is what it is. Then fast forward to recently, I got a message from a burner number saying,

No, you're okay. Don't worry. I don't even know why I'm crying. No, you're fine. You're fine. I like literally, oh God, I don't know why I'm crying. I like don't ever really cry either. Well, it makes sense why you're crying. I mean, you were in this relationship and you feel like you were manipulated and lied to and you feel incredibly disoriented from this relationship. So don't blame yourself for crying. He took a lot away from you. I'm just like so confused on all of it. Yeah.

I think like the precedent that he would set in our relationship was like very, very like strict. Not strict, but like. Strict how? Like he would say things like never put yourself in a position that would like jeopardize our relationship. And I would be like, yeah, like I don't like I don't go out and put myself in bad situations. I barely go out.

So it was always like conversations like that to be like, prioritize the relationship, never jeopardize it, like never put yourself in a setting that would jeopardize it. Meanwhile, he was doing those things. Well, that's what I eventually found out. But it's like, it can be so mentally like you're just, you're, it's just, it fucks with your head so much when you are...

In a lifestyle, you're crushing it. You're doing so well. And you've built something for yourself. And then the person who is supposed to love you the most and be your biggest fan and support you takes those things and uses them against you. Yeah, so it was like...

So I get this burner and I was like, what is going on? And they're like, if you're still with this guy, he's essentially like highly, highly disrespecting you and cheating on you. And I was like, what the hell? And so I was like, what is this? And there was like, there was just like something that I felt this entire summer. And I was like, things weren't adding up really because...

He would go to, like... The classic dab. A little dab. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure my makeup's all over the place. No, you look beautiful. Okay, I'm fine. But he was, like, going to, you know, whether it was, like, Italy, Greece, LA, New York, and I would, like...

There would be things that weren't adding up to me, whether it was like he's not responding to me, he's not like texting me at night, or like just random girls following him. And I would ask him about it, and he would make me feel like it was my followers that were following him. Right. And I was like, no, like I know who's my follower. Did he have a private or public Instagram? He had a private account for a while when we were dating. And then he said something along the lines or made me feel like it was...

his PR people that accidentally accepted everyone and like he has PR people for his company oh okay um and I was like okay I don't think your PR people are on your Instagram like right right and you're like these aren't my followers

No, I know. They'll say follow back. Like, I mean, right. Exactly. I don't, you know, it's like, why do my followers need to be following your private Instagram? I think when I announced him a while ago that I was dating him, people did try to follow. Totally. And fine. But like these new ones, there was something suspicious. I was like, and then like these girls would, I did like a deep dive. I was like, these girls are matching up with the guys you're going out with. Hmm.

Okay. Like something's not right here. And it matches the location. Yeah. Like a girl in Italy and you're in Italy. Like this isn't my follower. What he had me believe is that when he went out, he would only say, hi, I'm A, nice to meet you. And that's it. Like he was so...

he was so strict on our relationship that he was like, it's pointless, you know, to talk to girls. Like I'd go out and I don't speak to another female. Like that is the perception that I had and that he had me like believe. And to be honest, I thought it was a little weird because I was like,

I have guy friends like there's nothing wrong with that. But that's like kind of I was like, oh, OK, like that's how he sees it. Like, OK, never really understood it. But things just weren't adding up. So then I get the burner count and I was like, I have weird suspicions like I have weird suspicions already. This is making it like my antennas go up.

And then I find we moved into the apartment together. I moved in everything. I cleaned out every single drawer. I cleaned out everything. I moved everything in the apartment. And then jewelry shows up at the apartment. I'm packing to go back to Miami. And I find like woman's jewelry. And he was like, oh, it was from a Halloween party that I went to out in L.A. I purchased it on Amazon. I said, great. Let me see your order. Yeah. He goes, I don't. The order is not here. Yeah.

And I was like, convenient. Of course it's not. It's not loading. Amazon's not loading. So weird. All my other ones are here. So then the story changes to, oh, it must be old jewelry. And I said, how? I moved every square inch into this damn apartment. How? Please tell me how. Like when I moved in here, I cleaned everything. Every drawer, guys. I'm not kidding. Every single drawer I've cleaned. Naturally moving into an apartment, as you would. Yeah.

Yeah. And so I was like, this doesn't make sense. So my antennas are like open and I fly back to Miami. I go to an event and there's this influencer. We'll call her B if I have to. I see her in an event and I know she used to have like a fling with him. And I always kind of like avoided her. Not I was never rude to her. I was never mean to her, but I avoided her.

And she has like similar friend groups and I felt bad. I was like, man, like we're in a group talking as a circle and she's like outside the circle. That actually makes me feel bad. I don't give a shit if you had something with the guy that I'm dating. Yeah. So I came home that day and I had a conversation with him and I was like, oh, I ran into B. You know, I feel bad. I want to start being like nicer to her. There's no reason. And I could like tell his energy was off when I said that. And I was like, what's going on here? I know she tried to follow him this summer.

or she followed him this summer and I asked him about it and he told me, oh, I just talked to her for two seconds. I told her I was dating you and that was it. Yeah. That was it. Did he follow her? No. And he would like say things to me too. Like, you shouldn't worry who's following me. Like, you should worry about who I'm following. And I was like,

Come on. Right, right, right. Yeah, please. He's like planting that. Yeah. Knowing he's not going to follow the people he's talking to back. Correct. And so... What a wild thing to say to try to get you off guard. Like, what? Yeah. And so then I had a mutual friend put us in contact and she was like...

She sent me all the receipts. She said, Kelly, there were a couple of times I ran into him this summer. And I'm not going to lie. He was very handsy with me. He was telling me that he was single and he was taking selfies with me. Here's our text messages. He invited me to like a 50 year old guy's birthday party, sent me a black car to pick me up. She went to the party. Yeah. Damn. She didn't. And he was just saying like he's single the whole time. Yeah. Yeah.

I think he was trying to act like a little bit weird knowing that I probably run into her at a lot of events. So he was like, he would say things to her like, oh, well, I talked to Kelly today. But in reality, we're in communication every single day. But he would be like, no, I'm single. But like, you know, I don't know.

I talked to her today. So I don't know like that. Yeah. And I think that's why she didn't really push on it too much. But she ran into him like another time in the Hamptons like now in August. So this is a different time. And as in your mind you're you guys are together. One hundred percent. One hundred percent. He was he would like ask me nonstop like are you telling your friends are you telling your family like.

made sure I was going around telling all of my people. All of my people. Yeah, and there was other red flags too because he was like, you should post me. And I was like, again, I don't have an issue posting you. I'm just not going to make you my entire page. And then, so he would be like pretty, pretty big on being like, post me, post me. We were with each other for 4th of July in the Hamptons. So I posted him and then I was like,

thinking he's so adamant about me posting but like he didn't repost me or anything right like why right right right and then i would ask him about it and he would be like well i was like 15 stories down that's not even like special why yeah and i was like whatever like at the end of the day you'd be the number one stories expire at the time how are you supposed to make sure he's the first slide yeah so it was always just like excuses now that i think about it like i was just so

manipulated in my mind but so he runs into her in august and he's still very um handsy with her hanging out with her family at her table all this stuff and i was like damn damn damn so she's sending me all the proof and i go to him and i was like do you want to be honest here like just be honest with me yeah and like not telling him that i had freaking screenshots of everything right

And what you always say, like you have an opportunity to actually tell me the truth right now. So here it is. You know, I kept saying, if you want me to have one ounce of respect for you, one ounce, make it make sense in my mind. Yeah. Make, make all of this make sense. Just own up now. Yeah. Like, yeah.

Yeah. And like still if he owns up, you're not going to really respect him. But in some way you're going to be like, OK, well, he told me the truth. Yeah, I think I would. You know, like you're still going to be like, fuck you for doing all of that. Yeah. Don't respect you for doing any of that. But here's the truth. Yeah, 100 percent. And that's happened in like my past relationships, too, where like I really haven't held resentment because I was like, at least you're honest. At least I know like going forward that like you will tell me the truth. You know, like I think that's just big for me.

So that situation happened. And then I was like, you know what? I don't give a shit if I look as crazy as could be right now. I need to know how far deep this goes. So I started reaching out to like mutual girls that honestly, like I didn't even really know that well. And I was like, do you guys know anything about this? I was like, do you know anything about this? This is kind of the facts that I have. And it's almost like every corner that I look to, things were coming out.

So one of the girls was like, you know, he's been hitting on this girl. And I was like, she gave me the name and I was like, his ex? I was like, his ex? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, what the hell? So then I talked to the ex and she was like, yeah, he was waiting for me outside of a bathroom. And he was like, we need to talk. We should get drinks, yada, yada, yada. Like getting handsy again. And...

So at that point, I'm thinking, how deep does this go? I just ran into my ex at Fashion Week in New York. He came up to me and he said, do you feel comfortable talking to me? And I was so respectful towards the new relationship I'm in. And I said, no. Yeah. And that is it. That night, I got a 20 minute lecture of how disrespectful I was.

How disrespectful I was because I verbalized words. Yeah. But in reality, what he's doing is going and like hitting on his ex, getting handsy, asking him for drinks. And what are you supposed to do? Like your ex, like, are you supposed to just run away and say no words? Like then you're just like disrespectful kind of like as a person. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like someone comes up to you and you verbalize like, hey, no, I don't feel like this is respectful. Yeah. That's the appropriate thing to do.

not look at them and run in the other direction. When you're supposed to just say no words and run away, then you look like a weirdo. It's like, oh, you can't speak. But yeah, you just set a boundary by being like, hey, I don't find this to be respectful. Like, no, I'm not going to like step aside and have a conversation with you, which is the respectful thing to do. It seems like a lot of it was like projection on you of really everything he was doing. He was so worried you were doing because he was doing it. Yeah. Yeah. And like, that's, I think, God,

Oh, God. I think that's why I'm, like, so confused by everything. Because I'm like, how deep did this go? Like, how, like, confused was that? How far back from the beginning of your relationship? Because there was a period of time when you guys were together and then broke up. And you're really finding out about things just this past summer. But what about the beginning of it all? Well, so the beginning, it's just, like, the way that I felt, I was like...

We were definitely spending more time apart. And I was like, wait, so do I have to be tied at your hip in order for you to respect me? And then after I posted that we broke up, I was like, screw it. I'm completely done. I have no idea who this person is. No clue. More things started coming out. And girls are messaging me. I saw him on September 5th. He left a bar with a guy and a group of girls. And I was like, September 5th, I went back to my text messages. And I was like,

he was at his friend's house like brushing his like daughter's hair and then so then I started like doing a deeper dive and I see he sent me a picture at like 10 30 and it was a picture of art and he was like new art for the apartment and I looked at the picture location I just swiped up and I was like

Did he just send that to me when he was at the bar? Right. Like trying to like confuse me to still say that he was at his buddy's house. But in reality, you're out. And then like other girls came out and were like, we didn't know. I saw him leaving a bar hand in hand with a girl earlier this summer. And I was like,

holy shit this goes deep after you post the breakup that the stories come out to or like the girl's like oh well now it's over so i like i was afraid to tell you before yeah but and i'm sure now like here's all this especially that was happening going around telling people he's single so nobody feels like they should come and tell you but really because he's telling him when he's single but you know you're not posting him too much because also you probably don't want to like make it

Like, if you guys are trying to work through things as well, you're not going to be posting him constantly, especially if he's the 15th slide. And then he's going to get mad he's the 15th slide as well. I mean, it seems like this guy is sort of like a serial cheater and also manipulator and projector, just like all of the above types.

towards you. And I feel so sorry and I feel bad for you because I feel like it's such a disorienting experience that a lot of people can really relate to. It's like, you're like, who was this person and who was I? Like, you know, on top of not even knowing the person you were with, you also feel like you don't know yourself because you're like, how did I not...

see this. I was, I like literally look back on it and like, I can't even remember the good times because I was like, I think it was all just fake. Like not one part of it was real. Like I, like I don't know how else to like feel, but this has like never happened to me to like this extent. I think that's why I'm like, holy shit. Like this goes deep. Was the

Do you think there was, like, a love-bombing element when you, like, first started dating? Of course. I took it as, like, oh, my God, he's so intentional. Like, he, like, knows what he wants. Like, I met him a couple years before, and, like, he was very...

It kind of looked like he knew what he wanted and was going after it, no matter who was in the way, like that kind of mentality. And I was like, I thought it was kind of attractive. But now I was like, now that I'm hearing it. Right, now it's like, maybe that was a sign. I'm like, wait, I think this is going on with every girl. So it's just... Like you meant like in pursuing you, like the way he pursued you. Yeah, it's just like, that's just who he is. It's like he comes on strong. He comes on like very blunt and very like...

narrow to be like i know what i want and i'm gonna go after it you know but i thought it was just with me and i thought i was like special well no my ass isn't special well you are special he's an idiot obviously but i feel like that is a situation that happens often yeah with women where you're like oh my god like he's he wants me so badly he's so assertive and it's like oh well

Now he's doing this at the bar with this girl and waiting outside this bathroom and all of these other instances. He openly like when I was like, just tell me the truth. What has been going on? He openly started admitting like some things, but it was like very personal.

very small he was like picked up a girl's number in june at the bar when i was like at the bar in philly and i was like okay he's like when i was at dc i got another girl's number but i didn't go to dinner with her i didn't go to dinner i went with like other guy bankers and then she texted me after and said um you know don't leave don't leave and i was like you at this point you would need to give me a lobotomy to literally believe anything that is coming out of your mouth

I think that you went to dinner with this girl and then she was texting you after you left the city. Like it just goes so deep. Also getting a girl's number. It doesn't, it's not, you're not gonna be like, that's okay. Like that's grounds for leaving the relationship. You don't get a girl's number and then say, oh no, it's okay. I'll stay. Um, what? Yeah. Oh, I didn't text her. No. Okay. Well, why are you asking for her number? That's an absolute, no, that's, I'm gone. And then, and then he openly told me in June, he picked up a girl's number and she was asked, it was all, it's always, these girls were coming on to him. Okay. One.

Yeah. And then... I'm sure. Which I know is not necessarily his personality. Right. And then it was, yeah, this girl wanted to get, like, lunch and coffee the next day, but I never texted her back. And I was like, again, like, I can't believe one word. So, like, now he's just trying to... He's, like, fielding all these inquiries. Right. And, yeah, right. Like, how many numbers are you collecting? How many people wanted to hang out with you? Yeah, right. And it's also kind of like... It sounds like he was saying to you where you're, like...

you know, don't put yourself in situations to be hit on or whatever it is. But it's like, how many situations is he putting himself in to get these numbers, get asked to go to lunch and coffee? How are you even getting that far to be asked to go to lunch and coffee? I completely agree. And I had a conversation with my brothers and my brothers could be kind of like blunt and honest. They're like, hell, you're dating a guy who's going out, call it five, six, seven nights a week. And they're like, what the hell do you think he's doing? Right. And I was like,

you're right but like i was just so like manipulated in my head that i was like no like he's not that person and you can't because i got faulted for everything you can't blame yourself in a situation like that like people can really make you feel a certain way in your brain that you believe and then when you're out of it you're like oh my god what was i thinking but like your brother's

Like now you're probably looking back like, why did he want to go out seven nights of the week? Like, you know, like if he like wants to grab a drink with his friends or whatever, why can't you do that? You have to do that seven nights a week. He would always say he was going to dinner. Yes. Work things, dinner with the boys, dinner with the boys, dinner with the boys. So it was every night dinner with the boys or like dinner with like this. I'm networking. Yes. Right. Yes. Just networking, babe. I just feel so, I guess at the end of the day, like having all of it come out, I just feel so stupid. Yeah.

Like, so stupid. That is the worst feeling. And there is just truly no reason for you to feel stupid about it because at the end of the day, like, he took complete advantage of...

like the kind heart that you have. And that's like, it doesn't make you stupid. It makes you a kind, loving human being. And he took advantage of that and probably has done it to many before. Like that's just like, he can see that and smell it out and knows that that's like the moves he's gonna make. It makes my blood boil because I think there's nothing worse than that person who like has to diminish himself

partner in order to like build themselves up right like he and I think Fran mentioned this earlier like he should have been your biggest fan like Kelly you have so much going for you you are so intelligent like you should conquer all of these things in your life not try to be like no you shouldn't do that this trip like you should absolutely go that'd be so great for you like he shouldn't be making you do like no you shouldn't be working on those things like you're with me and like

And also like to your point of saying that you feel stupid, it's like, yes, that is such a normal reaction to blame ourselves for that sort of thing. But it really was just him taking advantage of you. You're not stupid at all. Like not even the slightest bit. He's a piece of shit. That's what it is. We can call him names, but.

do not call yourself names that put you down. And it's probably a reflection of how he treated you and why you're putting yourself down because in some ways he made you feel this way about yourself. But you are none of those things. It's next level lying. It's like so many layers of lying that like you can't even fathom that people make shit up like this. And then you're like, wow, you really like went into detail on that lie. And because you are such a kind person as well,

It's hard to understand that someone would be lying. So you believe them because you're like, oh, well, why would someone lie about that? Well, there are bad people out there that lie about things, but you're not one of them. Why would you be sending me pictures of a small child's piece of art at the bar at the same time? Exactly. It's because people are so manipulative like that. But a lot of kind, good-hearted people are going to end up believing people.

people because that's what they would like they they see good it's like you can't fault yourself for wanting to see the good in somebody and not automatically believing he's some evil guy yeah so at this point too i was like okay like um one of his other exes reached out to me and she's like hey let me know if you want to talk and at this point it's crazy guys because he had me fully convinced one i do know that he hasn't like brought a girl home since he was 18 years old and he's now 35 so i

again, like he would kind of make me feel guilty that I've had other relationships and be like, would kind of be like, don't you feel great that like there's no other girl that you have to worry about? And great. Yeah, that feels great. But like,

Again, that's not necessarily truthful. I talked to his other ex and she started calling... You mentioned multiple exes. Yeah, I know, I know. I don't know what he's talking about. I'm hearing about multiple exes. Right, I think maybe he considers not an ex if they didn't need his family. They clearly had some sort of relationship with him. Yeah, so...

that one's funny but anyways so so she reaches out to me or we're talking and everything and I'm asking her she's like sending me screenshots of like I love yous and all of this stuff and I was like wait what like he was saying I love you and all this stuff he almost made me believe that like he hasn't really said like I love you to anyone else I was like what the hell at this point do I believe

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And then there's one thing, which I'm not going to accuse him of, but I will say that I have a suspicion that this could be him. I asked her, I said, have you, when you guys broke up, did you get a bunch of call from burner numbers nonstop? And she goes, yes. I said, okay, because I'm going through the same experience. And I said, you know, when we, it's actually funny, in August when he ran into that girl, I

I went fucking crazy and I called him 8 million times he didn't answer I blocked him I'm like screw you I'm done with this shit there's sketchy shit going on like I was reciprocating reciprocating the crazy yeah which I regret so much because like I'm usually not that person and it's like I almost turned into this crazy person like trying to meet him back and to be honest I

I also felt like there was so much hypocrisy in this relationship that instead of like when I came back into it, instead of just being like, "No, I'm gonna be myself."

I almost was like fine like you want to see how it feels and I almost started going crazy and doing it back. Yeah, yeah. So I asked her about the burner numbers back in August When I like blocked him on everything he started calling me or he couldn't call me and I kept getting calls from like a burner number a burner number and finally I answered and I was like hello and it's him he's like hey, this is my work number save it and I was like, okay cool and

We talked and he was like, but this phone is very expensive. Can you please call me on my regular number? Unblock me and call me. And I said, fine.

And then I was thinking, I go, he doesn't have a work phone. What do you mean your work number? How are you getting a work number? And so I literally have it saved in my phone as his work number. But then I'm thinking back and I'm like, he doesn't have a work number. So then I get suspicious and I'm like, oh my God, is this why I keep getting so many random phone calls at two in the morning and all throughout the day? And the numbers would change, by the way. So then I just started a

essentially blocking them but I got this one and it said I think he knew that I was going out and asking people like I knew these people that I was asking I went like hey why and I was like I will call on everyone in my phone book and I don't give a shit at this point so I think word got around to him oh she's she's digging and um so I got a text message I don't know again I'm not accusing this of him but it's just weird how this is playing out that it said hey girl um

I have some tea on your XA. And I didn't respond. And I was like, is he trying to like bait me? Like, what the hell is going on here? So I didn't respond. Block that burner number.

So he texts me on Sunday. Like, this hasn't stopped. He has texted me on Sunday. And I can read it to you. This past Sunday. Yeah. Yeah. Three days ago. Three days ago. And this one says, now I'm getting the accusations that I am the one cheating. He sends me a screenshot that he supposedly got from a burner number. Right. Right.

My opinion is that he is texting himself. Totally. Seems like it. Totally. What up, stud? Got your number through a mutual friend. I see Kelly is newly single, but I never knew she was in a relationship. I've been hitting it here in Miami since August. My bad. Let me tell you also that it's like objectively...

a hilariously written text message where it's like nobody you're not like some other dude in Miami isn't texting your ex being like what up stud like what that is like that's like an element to his ego where he texted himself and called himself a stud like he like

Like he was like, he was like, Oh, like, like, of course, a stranger would totally call me a stud. So I'll call myself. Right. That, that is so absurd. That's such a level of, Hey man, you know, just like a, Hey bro. Yeah. Like he had to use stud. Wow. That's insane. And obviously a text message he sent himself. Yeah. And then, um, I hope you're just ignoring all his messages. I ignore everything. Um, I ignore everything. And, um,

At this point, there has been like zero accountability taken on his end, which shocks me at this point. Just take accountability and be like, I'm sorry I fucked up. I'm sorry that I hurt you. Like, end of story. Yeah, there has really been none of that. After I broke up with him, a lot of the times when I would try to break up, I try to break up with him several times a summer because I knew sketchy shit was going on. And he would be like, no, you're an avoidant. We need to communicate about this. We can get through this.

And like it would kind of like manipulate me back into it. But I knew sketchy shit was going on and I would try to get out. And then he would like convince me out of it. And like I feel like I'm weak on like I have to take accountability on that. But so then I finally I was like, listen, I am done. I'm done. I'm done. He like accepted the breakup. And then the next day he's calling me. He's calling me. I said, unless you want to admit to everything and come clean, there is no reason to be calling me. No reason. And yeah.

He goes, no, I have to tell you something. I have to tell you something. Okay, fine. So I answered the phone. I was like, yeah, what's up? And he was like, I just hate the way you perceive me. I hate the way that you view me. And I was like, is that all he cares about? He literally does not care about like, he may have said, I'm sorry. But like at the end of the day, the only thing he really cared was the way I was perceiving him, how everyone else perceives him. And I was like,

This is wild to me. It got so bad. And I was like, I was screaming. I was like, are you effing kidding me? You just called me to tell me the only thing you give a shit about is the way that I perceive you. You don't want me to view you this way. You did this to yourself. I view you this way because this is you. Yeah. And so then...

After he does that, he knows I'm ignoring him. I'm not calling him whatever. He calls two of my brothers. Like, it's just not stopping. He calls two of my brothers and he's like, you know, I feel bad for my sister and my mom. And by the way, I love his family. So this story goes, he goes, I feel bad. They're so sensitive. They're getting so much hate. My brother goes, my brother was dating like a very famous influencer. So he understands how this world works. And he goes, just out of curiosity, what are they getting? Maybe one or two messages, if that is

And he was like, no one. So instead of. Who's reaching out to his family? I don't know. But anyways, if that is going on, please don't reach out to his family. The internet is wild. Like they really do reach out to anybody. Yeah. But there was one article on Us Weekly. This wasn't blown up. This wasn't something big. And my brother's like, I don't understand. Anyways, his family's great. Amazing. Please don't message his family. This is more of between him and I. But.

he was trying to like almost I feel like manipulate the situation even with my brothers instead of taking accountability he's trying to make my brothers feel bad to say to have your sister stop talking I saw her post something on TikTok to say you know this guy's not taking accountability she might speak out more so he calls my brothers trying to in my eyes manipulate them to feel bad for his sister and his mom and say like they're so sensitive and then that didn't work with my brothers for like and then he thinks like your brothers will go to you and be like oh maybe

Like, Kel, stop. Let it die, you know? Like, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not how my family works. My brothers are like, do whatever the fuck you want. Yeah, yeah. Right. So then he tries with that. Then he goes on to, well, you know, my business, my business. And my brother was like, okay, that's more concerning. And I could definitely understand that. And he was like, but at the end of the day, like, you know what you sign up for when you date a girl like this who's, like, influencing for her. That's her job. And he was like, honestly, I never really thought about that. And it's like...

Yeah, like, sorry. Like, that is what your job is, and you're sharing your life and your personal life, and it's always...

Just crazy to me too Like I don't know Men somehow try and separate Like their relationships And business and all these things Like well maybe don't act like a dickhead And then you're like And your job won't get pulled into it I don't know Like now you're gonna cry about like Oh you know it's gonna affect my business Well it's like okay maybe think about that beforehand

Beforehand, you probably should have thought about the way you carry yourself as a person in all aspects of life rather than just your business. Like who you are as a person is going to affect your work. But I'm not going to lie. He's very good at putting on like a facade. Yeah. Very good. Clearly so. And honestly, I think like

Right now, I'm like, I really don't even think he gives a shit that he hurt me in any degree by our phone calls. I really don't think he cares. I think the only thing he cares is he doesn't have control in how people are going to see him. He's worried that if you talk and you do this, that people are going to look at him differently and how it's going to affect that.

I think the only thing in his life is maintaining control and the way people perceive him is the only thing he cares about. I don't think he gives two shits. I think he'll go around and be like, we weren't dating. He'll make up every excuse in the book to try to say that this is... Oh yeah, she moved in, but it wasn't a big deal. Yeah, yeah. No, it is so wild though because it's like,

How does someone who cares so much about what people think about them conduct themselves in such a shitty way? It's like if you care so much about what people think of you, then you should probably carry yourself in a way that people are going to think about you in a good light. I don't know. You know what I mean? You know what hurts my feelings the most is I feel like...

I feel like this was so prevalent that a lot of people around me, like even some mutual friends and like people that I know, maybe like more his friends or whatever. But like, I feel like a lot of people knew this was going on. And like, I had to find out from a total stranger that doesn't know me. Like no one had my back. No one. Yeah. Like a burner account. Yeah. A burner account. And these random girls that I don't even really know. Right. And that hurts too. Cause it's like, you always think you, when you immerse your lives together, you're,

You know each other's friends. You're all hanging out. So it's always just like a gut punch when you're like, oh, like all of your buddies know you act like this. Yeah. Right. And they just let it happen. Yeah. And nobody says anything. Yeah. And I'm the one that gets hurt from it. Yeah. Right. Did any of your friends know what was going on that didn't tell you? No. I mean, we have like mutual ones. Yeah. Just like more like the ones that were involved in his life. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But like, no, like my best friends that would have my back. No, I mean, I asked them after I was like, did you guys like are you guys shocked? Because I would always go to them and I was like, there's zero possibility that this guy would ever cheat. Like, that's genuinely how I felt. That's what I would say. I was like, go, go live your life. Like, I know you wouldn't do that. And I don't think it was going on for maybe a whole year because I was by his side. Right. You know, but I don't know. It's just...

It's wild. Like, it's hard. I feel like my brain is, like, scrambled because I'm like, I can't conceptualize, like, what was real, what was fake. Like, I think everything was fake. Like, I can't sit here and, like, even compute being like, what the hell did I just go through? You know, like, everything is just so confusing. It's so hard. Yeah. It is so hard because it makes you question everything. Yeah. 100%. It does make you question everything. And there's no, like...

he's not gonna if he's not gonna take any accountability it's just such a hard thing is you kind of have to like move on and know you know I may never get the full story right and what's crazier to me too is like honestly I'm not someone that ever goes out like I go out maybe like once or twice a month or like events like fashion like stuff um

But I really don't go out. And like one night I was just like, I just want to go out with my friends. I went with like two married couples that have been together for 12 years, two people that he mutually knows and is friends with. One of my girlfriends who is single and two brothers that I've known for years that are nice guys, whatever, but like nothing to be threatened about. So I went to this dinner.

And I was, again, the one that got the lecture to be like, you're going to a sponsored dinner. And I was like, a sponsored dinner? Like, what are you talking about? But he's going out and literally every night picking up rounds and rounds and rounds of drinks for like all these girls tables like.

just none of it like literally none of it makes sense to me it's just i was so full yeah it really opposite right it really feels like that and i i feel so sorry that you went through that and that you feel so disoriented from this experience um but i hope that you take the time just for yourself now because it feels like he took control of you throughout this whole relationship in this year and a half or two years however long so it's like you should take

the time for yourself to do the things that you always wanted to do that he kind of like stopped you from doing. To be honest, that's like the main reason why I did this podcast is because I almost felt like, again, whether it's intentional or not, I almost felt like I was like silenced. Like I was like, even till this day, he's calling my brothers to tell me to stop talking. Like he's trying to like now say that I'm the one cheating, like all this stuff. Like I almost felt like I was being silenced for the past year and a half. And like, I got to a point where I was like, fuck it.

this. I'm doing this for myself. I'm going to go speak like this is about me. There's no way you're stopping me. If you want to throw whatever the hell you're going to throw at me, go ahead. At this point, I don't care. Taking the power back in yourself and being like, fuck you. I'm doing what I want to do now and you cannot control that. Because

He is going to now spiral because he's losing all of that control. But it just shows the kind of guy that he is really. Yeah. Oh, man. It's tough. How do you do like it's a tough question, but because it's still obviously actively going on.

But how are you kind of feeling now that you are separated from it a little bit? Like, I know it is so disorienting and confusing, but do you feel like you are kind of getting yourself back a little bit? Not really, because I haven't had, like, time to even do that. Time, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's still so new, yeah. It's still, like, so fresh for me that I haven't. I know I will, and I know I'll be, like, fine at the end of the day, but...

yeah I just know that I need to like focus on myself like get myself back to like a place where I was happy hang out with my friends do things that I love right and that's like the only thing I can do at this point you know like what else do I do like I don't know it's great to have like that you know you have a great friend support system you have a great family support system so it's always a time like you lean on them and they'll support you and be there for you and like

you'll get yourself back, you know? Right. Yeah, absolutely. And you've built a great career for yourself. Yeah. And it's time to just take that. I was going to say, immerse yourself in your job, fucking crush it, make some deals, go on some trips. Yeah, like you're going to... You know, put yourself out there. Yeah, you're only going to end up on the better side of this. Yeah. And for him, he's just not. Like, you can't keep up that kind of lifestyle with being that kind of person, in my opinion. There's definitely like...

Like a feeling of relief that I feel, even though it's like still so heartbreaking. There's definitely like a feeling of relief where I like almost feel like kind of free. Yeah. Yeah. So I've started to feel that a little bit. I know. I know it's hard to see right now because you did love this person. Yeah. So you're kind of like mourning the loss of this person that didn't even really exist. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the most confusing part. I'm like, what? What? What?

It is. And it will be hard and stick with you for a while, but you will get out of it. You know what's crazy? Like, both of you guys just got married, right? I just got married. She's in April. Okay, and you're in April. So I remember going to, like, other influencer parties with my girlfriends that are married. And, like, I guess at this point, like, I just – I'm not married. Like, I –

always used to try to convince myself. I think one thing I would use is like, it takes a lot in relationships and like you have to put in a lot of effort and all of this stuff. So I like would go around and ask my girlfriends. I was like, how do you know? Like, how do you know you're with the right person? Like I know a marriage people say it takes a lot, but like, I'm just, I guess I haven't been at that point in my life where I know what, what,

what too much is you know like it takes a lot but like I just almost convinced myself to be like well relationships are hard it takes a lot yeah I would almost say the yeah it's the opposite of that like it should be easy like you shouldn't be feeling like it's a lot yeah or giving yourself a lot like I feel like I hear that expression a lot where people are like you know I felt like you know you know relationships are about giving up things and stuff and it's like for me

And Fred, like, it's, like, the opposite of that. Like, oh, this is so easy to be with you. Right. You know? Well, those weren't the conversations we would have. It was the opposite. No, it's... Well, it's tough when you're having, like, the... When you're not...

Well when one person is sacrificing a lot of their life and the other person isn't doing anything then yeah like for him it's like oh well you know you're going to move and you're going to be here and you're not like really going to be you know you're here in your career but like I don't really want you going up I kind of want you staying where you are. You know it's crazy so the influencer girl that I reached out to her and I started speaking and I was like

I just don't understand why this kind of personality, like to me, I, we would kind of have fights about it. I was like, you need a girl that you fully support and that she's at home doing whatever, you know? And, but he, he keeps going for these like strong willed girls that like have things going for themselves. I, I,

Still can't conceptualize why that is. You know, I'm no therapist, but it is such like a it's such a power thing to me. Like, I think it's almost enticing for someone like that to one, they want to be able to say they can get therapy.

that strong-willed independent successful woman because they you know he's like that's look at look at how great she is I'm going for her and I can prove that I can get her but then he doesn't want her to stay that way once he gets her right you know yeah and that's exactly how I felt yeah and I feel like going back to the question where you said you asked like your friends who are married or like you know us it's like

What I've noticed in my relationship now is that like my life has only improved greatly. Like my career, like I feel like I've never been more successful and better and have only been thriving since this relationship. And it's like not just because of the relationship, but like because how I feel about myself. And I feel like

in the right relationship, people will, you'll feel that way. Like you won't feel like how he's making, how he made you feel like turning down things or turning down opportunities for yourself. Like he'll make you feel like, oh my God, go get that. Like you, you, he sees you as someone who deserves all those things because he sees all those qualities in you. You know what I mean? Like he should only be like,

propping you up. Well, that makes me excited because I felt the complete opposite. It was almost like everything I had going for... I remember when we were breaking up, he goes, do you think we would have worked out if we met when we were younger? And I said, no. No. And he goes...

Well, I do. You know, before you had like your law stuff going and the bachelor stuff going, I was like, well, wait, what? So you're saying you think. Oh, so like when I get stripped of everything. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. And you just need to hold on to those things. And you've worked so hard for all of it.

It's like, don't let that go just because of a guy who's insecure, who wants to be like the powerful guy. It's like, I always felt like I had to be standing behind him. Like I could, he like didn't, I felt like he didn't want me to shine. Like he wanted me to be placed behind him. A guy who's secure in himself is going to want to be like, yeah, this is my fucking

girl. She's awesome. I definitely felt like there was insecurity but I was like, oh, once he gets comfortable and sees who I am and sees how this business stuff is run, he'll be cool with it. And to be honest, I will give him credit. He did loosen up a teeny bit on that and I was like, oh, okay. As we just keep going, he'll get more comfortable. You don't have to give him credit for that because it doesn't seem like he really did much there. He shouldn't be given credit for doing that. That should just be how you...

you are you know what I'm saying it's like giving guys credit for being like I'll give them a little it's like no like that's just being like a normal respectful person you know you guys can tell my brain still no I know and you shouldn't blame yourself at all like it's yeah it's sucks it's it's so unfortunate that like people I always am just like more of like a

a psychological thing. I'm like, how do people end up like this? Like, don't you become interested in like a, where did you, what happened? Like where, like, I'm so interested. When did that switch flip? Right. It's like such an interesting thing to like, cause there are reasonings behind it, right? I listen to those books like all the time, all the time. And I always like to know, I took, when I was in law school, I took a genetics in the law class. Cause I always like to know like,

why are you the way you are? And it's actually so interesting to hear those things. I mean, a lot of it's childhood stuff. - Right, and it's like even just separating you from this situation, like aren't you kind of like, what is up? Like, I need to know what happened here. - Totally. - But you know what, when I got introduced to him through mutual friends,

I like noticed some things and they would just tell me he's very old school. He's very old school. And then I started realizing, I was like, I don't think this is old school mentality. I think it's a sense of control. Like that's it.

And I should have noticed the first red flag was someone asked me, our mutual friend, we were in Italy. And she asked, she goes, Kelly, if you ever gotten the opportunity with Dancing with the Stars, would you do it? And I was like, absolutely. Like, why wouldn't I? That sounds so cool. And they asked him. Oh my God, he sounds like he would hate to do this. Okay. So she asked him, she was like, what do you feel about that? And I remember he looked at me and he was like, enough with this fame bullshit. You got to start focusing on being a mother and a wife. Oh my God. Oh my God.

And again, I just got chills. Oh, my God. I would just like, oh, my God. I can't even imagine. I cannot even imagine. I just remember thinking like, oh, it's just insecurity. Like once he'll get used to it, he'll get used to it. Like, it's fine. What did you say to him in that moment? Honestly, nothing. I just kind of like submit to it.

Because it was like, what am I going to do? You know what I mean? It was more so. Well, you're also afraid it's going to be a bigger fight. Right. Because you know he's going to get like, you know how he feels. So in that moment, it's like you're afraid to be like, well, wait, like I would want to do it. And then you're then it's just, you know. Right.

Then it's a bigger fight. Then it's a bigger fight. Your friends are there. Oh, my God. Yeah, I know. Oh, God. He sounds awful. Well, you know what? I hope Dancing with the Stars comes calling now. Honestly, I hope they're like, oh, my God, we need Kelly on Dancing with the Stars. Yep. I agree. And then she could focus on becoming a mother and a wife. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Man. Oh, my God. Kelly, I think there are just so many...

great things ahead for you. I think there's a guy out there that is going to like prop you up and tell you how amazing you are every single day and it's coming for you. Absolutely. You guys want to know what's crazy is I'm just like

I'm just like so scarred from men right now. I was in Miami and I ran down the street. I was like in kind of pajamas. And this guy starts like legit chasing me on the street. And I was just completely ruthless. He was like, hey, hey, I want to talk to you. And I literally looked at him and I was like,

Do you just run after any girl on the street? Like, what are you doing? Honestly, good for you, though. Honestly, granted, fair. I would be afraid just in general of someone running after me on the street. A guy running after you on the street, like, how often do you do this? You have the balls to just run after someone on the street? You got your reps in, you know what I mean? Exactly. But...

No, I mean, at this point, like, don't even... There's no reason to even focus on a man or getting a boyfriend or anything of that sort. It's like, it's going to find you at the right time. Totally. Have fun. Go out. Flirt. Enjoy life. Focus on yourself and, like, take those moments back for you that you set aside while you were with him. Yeah. And all of the right things will fall into place. And we think you're awesome. We really do. And we're...

we appreciate that you trusted telling us this story. And I think a lot of people listening, a lot of our listeners will be able to unfortunately relate to this kind of situation. It is very unfortunate that it is a relatable situation in itself. But you just do you and don't worry about this guy. Block the number. Ignore all the calls. He'll probably start calling after this podcast comes out. But...

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another game of Beat Rian Fran. This is game number 152, and we are joined by Megan and Jenna. They are from Cincinnati. Beautiful design behind them that Noah pointed out. Aesthetically pleasing. Thank you guys so much for joining us.

Thanks for having us. We're so excited. Sneaking in right before the holiday. It's 15 questions. If you get the question right, you get the point. If you get it wrong, the other team can steal the point. Whoever has the most points at the end wins. To determine who goes first, Noah's going to give us a movie. We're going to guess the Rotten Tomatoes critic score of that movie. Whoever is closest will get to go first, and we will alternate between teams for guesses.

Everyone gets their own individual guess. Noah, what is today's movie? A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving. Nice. Did we have the Charlie Brown movie recently? We had the Halloween one. It's a great pumpkin, Charlie Brown. Okay, one of you goes first. I want to say it's like very, I think it's like 64. I was going to say, yeah. Okay, 64. Okay, I'm going to go 86. Okay, I think I'm going to go 72 feels good.

I can't even imagine Charlie Brown being critiqued. It's like it's Charlie Brown. Yeah. I'm going to say like 52. 64 is the closest. 67. Very close. Question number one to Megan and Jenna. Shout out Morgan and Noah from Kansas City. Collab question with you? No, I made that joke. I was like, not me. And they're like, yeah, you're not from Kansas City. Okay. Okay.

In the movie School of Rock, the band misses the audition for Battle of the Bands, but they play anyway. How does the band get on the set list? They just go on stage? I thought the girl literally just wrote their name and just ran on. What's going on? They just inserted themselves? Yeah, yeah. They put their own name down. They rushed the stage. And they ran for it. They, um...

They all say they're like sick and like dying children. Oh, yes, yes, yes. And that this is like they're all coughing. They're dying. They're coming from the hospital. It's like for the kids. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, that's correct. What did he say? They have stick to the maniosis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. One nothing. Rianne Fran. And this question's to them. There is no shout out here. This was going to be a...

A final question at the live shows, which is always like music related. And then I scrapped it, but we're doing it now. Oh, this is a you? Yeah. Wow, this is a Noah original. This is a Noah from New York question? Yeah. Fill in the missing Ariana Grande lyrics from the song Bang Bang. She might have let you hold her hand in blank, but I'ma show you how to blank. She might have let you. She might have let you hold your hand at school, but I'ma show you how to graduate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's school, right? Yeah. Yeah. School and graduate are the missing words. Correct. Nice. Wow. Play the song. My first lyric. You know what? Although in my head, the word that first came to me was gravitate, but then I was like, that doesn't make any sense. Graduate school. All right. Two nothing. Rianne Fran. Question number three to Megan and Jenna. Shout out Kelly from Atlanta and Marita from Nashville. Who was picked last in the Friends Thanksgiving football game out of all the Friends?

Rachel. Final answer. Correct. Go for it. There were actually a lot of Friends Thanksgiving questions sent in. I didn't realize. It's a reoccurring episode each season. Oh, so they have how many Thanksgiving episodes? There's so many Thanksgiving episodes. Really? Yeah. All right. 2-1. Rheanne Friends. Questions to them. Shout out Lauren and Lindsay from Bakersfield, California. What year were all of these albums released? Blonde by Frank Ocean. Auntie by Rihanna. Lemonade by Beyonce.

2015. 15? You think it's 2016? I don't know. When was Frank Ocean? I just feel like everyone's like, Rihanna's last album was 2016. What was it? Rihanna's last album was 2015. I don't know. You have me confused now. What was the last album? Lemonade. Lemonade feels more like 2016. Yeah, it does. All right, let's do 2016. 2016, final answer. Correct. Nice.

The first two had me mixed up. I just feel like everybody's one critique is they're like, oh, they're like, oh, Rihanna hasn't put on music since 2016. It is crazy that Rihanna and Frank Cushion have both. Yeah, right. It's both of them. Eight years. Okay. 3-1 Rihanna and Fran. Question number five to Megan and Jenna. Shout out Mackenzie from Rochester, New Hampshire. Whose birthday are they celebrating in the first episode of Sex and the City? Sex and the City. I think it can't be Carrie. That's too obvious. Yeah.

Where is it? I mean, she's like the... I mean, she's like the main girl. I feel like, what's the other one's name? Charlotte? Miranda? Let's go. Do you want to go, Carrie? Sure. Okay, we're gonna go with Carrie. God, I just watched this recently, too. Is it Miranda? No. Like, my brain keeps saying Miranda, but I don't... There's no reason why. Right. Could it be Samantha? Maybe it's Samantha. Yeah.

Because they're like, she wants to ignore how old she's getting. Let's do Samantha. Yeah, yeah. All right, Samantha. Incorrect. Miranda. Oh, we should have trusted our guts. Why did we do that? We both said Miranda. We did. We both said Miranda. We both said we both think it's Miranda. And then we talked ourselves. We said we both think it's Miranda. And then we said Samantha. And then we talked ourselves out of thinking it was Miranda for no reason. We both knew it was Miranda. God damn it, Miranda. Oh, shit.

3-1, Rianne Fran. This is to them. Shout out Grace, Ava, and Sophie. Wow, triple. From Philly. A lot of heads on this one, yeah. In what year did Taylor Swift announce that she was releasing Taylor's versions of her albums? Pre-COVID? Yeah. 2018? 19? 18? I feel like it's 2019 or 2020. 10 seconds. Let's go 19 then. 5 seconds. Alright, we'll go 2019. Yeah.

Correct. Nice. August 2019. 4-1. Rianne Fran. No, I wouldn't know that. No, I'm sorry. Question number seven to Megan and Jenna. Shout out Charity from Troutman, North Carolina. In the Vampire Diaries, what is the term that vampires use to mind control humans? Literally, I've never watched this last year. It's nice.

I want to say it's Compulsion. Okay. I got it. I'm going to go with Compulsion, final answer. Correct. Nice. All right. 4-2. I'm due for a Vampire Diaries rewatch. I was just thinking the same thing. Like dark winter. Okay. 4-2, Rianne Fran. Question number eight to Rianne Fran. Shout out Alyssa from Chalfont, Pennsylvania. And she says Go Birds as well.

What's the name of Prince Harry's memoir? Spare. Okay, what she said. Spare. Right? I read it. I don't know. You read it. Spare. Final answer. Correct. Nice.

Spare. He's the spare. All right. Five to Rianne Fran. And this is question number nine to Megan and Jenna. Shout out Amanda from Scranton. And she also says Go Birds. My God. My God. They're everywhere. All right. On Pilot Pete's season of The Bachelor, we got Champagne Gate, where one contestant claimed another popped her bottle of special champagne. Which contestant brought the bottle and who did she claim popped it? Hannah Ann popped it.

The blonde girl. What's her name? That's who it was supposed to be for. Was her name Victoria too? It wasn't Lindsay. 15 seconds. I think, yeah, because there's like the brunette. Hannah Ann popped it. Victoria brought it.

Kelsey. Kelsey. Yeah, this is the trend thing. So Kelsey brought it. No? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Hannah Ann brought it. Popped it. Okay, Hannah Ann popped it. Kelsey brought it. Correct. Yes. Holiday party fails can turn into a great story that ends with a toast over Coors Light.

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- 16. - Oh, pardon me. - Okay, Zara, I know that this isn't easy and it hurts you, but this is, I mean, remember when you got your eyebrow pierced? - This is us. - And I begged you not to do that and you did it anyway and it was terrible and exciting and I said, "Why did you do it?" And you said, "Well, it made sense at the time when the guy was putting it in." - What is it? - This is my eyebrow piercing, Zara.

It's the Nicole Kidman, Joey King, Zac Efron movie. Family Affair. What's that called? Family Affair. Okay, that's it. Family Affair. Yeah. Correct. Yeah, final answer. Nice. I remember because I thought Joey King's character being named Zara was kind of funny. Yeah. Okay, 7-2, Rianne Fran. Question number 11 to Megan and Jenna. Shout out Alyssa from Chalfant again. She says go birds again. What name did Tyra Banks accidentally call Landon Barker on Dancing with the Stars?

Oh shit. It's just live TV. It's live TV. Brandon. She called him Brandon. Final answer. Incorrect. Oh, you were so sorry. You were so convinced that I thought I was wrong. She called him... Shit. Hold on. I can't remember. 15 seconds.

I don't know. I don't know. And I want to know. So what is it? Logan. Logan. Logan. That's funny. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Okay. Logan. Seven two. Still. Rian Fran. This question is to them. Shout out Monica from Vancouver. In Wizards of Waverly Place, what did they do to Max's character while Jake T. Austin had to temporarily leave the show?

What did they have to do to the character? Did he like, where'd he go? Where'd they send him? Camp? School? When did Jake T. Austin have to leave? I would say they sent him to camp. I don't know if that's the right answer. I'm just guessing here. That's a guess. What did he do with camp? Incorrect. They turned him into Maxine. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they turned him into Maxine. Madison Bailey or whatever her name is. The little girl that's in everything.

Correct. Actually, Bailey Madison, but you had it back. Madison Bailey Soderbergh. Yes. Yep. All right. Question number 13. And this is to Megan and Jenna. Shout out Haley from London, Ontario. In what Sabrina Carpenter music video does Sabrina play her own love interest?

nonsense yep final answer correct damn well come back here yeah there's not enough questions for you to come back oh shit uh all right question number 14 to ran for and shout out vivian from houston finish the lyrics from the first verse of kim possible theme song doesn't matter where or when there's trouble if you just call my name kim possible call me beat me if you want to reach me

You just read the whole song. Where's the missing piece? Call me, beat me, if you want to reach me. It doesn't matter when, doesn't matter when. I will be there for you till the very end. In danger or trouble, I'm there on the double. Snow that you always can call, impossible. Whatever that was. I mean, that's the whole song, so we gotta... Whatever that was. Incorrect. What? I have to...

I think it's If You Need a Page Me, That's Okay. If You Need a Page... Yeah. If You Need a Page Me, That's Okay. Correct. What part of the song are we missing? The question was first verse, so I wonder if there's like a shortened version or something. Oh. I don't know. Seven, five. Damn. Okay, question number 15 to Megan and Jenna. Shout out Amy from Atlanta.

Who is the actor who plays John Ralphio in Mona Lisa Saperstein's dad in Parks and Rec? His dad. Oh, she's back. That's not Rob Lowe. He's the only person I know from that show. No, that's not Rob Lowe. See, the names. I couldn't even remember knowing the actors. Who does he look like? I couldn't tell you. Okay, perfect. Um, it's a great question. Pass. Pass. I don't remember who plays her dad. Yeah, do I?

I'm picturing like the Fonz, but like I don't think it's the Fonz. Just guess. What's his name? I have no idea. Why am I spacing out what his name is? What's his real name? I don't know. I don't know. Three.

Oh, God, the Fonz. Henry Winkler. Oh, shit. It is him. It is him, right? All right, have a point. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. Henry Winkler. Final score, 7-5. You guys almost came back with that one, though. That was a close game. But thank you guys so much for playing. And you still get merch. So just send Noah your address and sizes. We'll get some merch sent to you guys. And thank you so much for supporting us. Awesome. Thanks for having me. Thank you, guys.

Thank you guys. Bye. Bye. All right. That wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. Thank you so much for watching. Have a wonderful and happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Remember, remember, no ghosts from your past tonight. All right. Have an amazing weekend. We'll talk to you on Monday. Love you. Bye. Bye.

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